Glasto made an odd call in censoring Rod. He said something pro Ukraine then called for less violence in the world as he went into a cover of Love Train by the O'Jays. Got snipped for his trouble.
Pity they didn't censor his singing... This outburst of free speech by feckless youths appears to given conniptions to the very people who don't believe the apathetic younger generation want to close down alternative opinions. Well I never.
Was it worse than Paul McCartney when he did the Super Bowl half time show?
On the one hand I kind of admire those so motivated that they want to start their own political party. I felt very similarly as a University student nearly 45 years ago when I was a founder member of the SDP. We believed then that none of the current parties had the answer to Britain's problems. We needed some Thatcherite (or at least orange book) economics combined with some compassion that the Tories seemed to have mislaid.
But these new parties seem to turn on egos rather than ideas. On who has the "truth" rather than looking for consensus and a way forward. And even the SDP, with the genius of Roy Jenkins, David Owen, Shirley Williams and Bill...err, Rodgers did not succeed. Any one of the first 3 would be an absolute titan in modern politics.
I was an enthusiastic Liberal activist when the SDP was born. It was my experience in my area the new SDP members were from two different points of origin. One were ex-Labour, whether supporters of Jenkins, Owen, Rogers or Williams who had never disliked the Liberals or given us much thought. The other group were new to politics - usually ex-Conservative voters who liked Heath and loathed Thatcher.
I've often argued those who would have happily supported the SDP in January and February 1982 ran back to the Conservatives when the Falklands Conflict started. The Falklands saved Labour by ensuring Foot would remain LOTO no matter how severe the defeat inflicted by Thatcher which itself ensured when the pendulum swung back a decade later, it would be Labour which would be the credible alternative Government.
Kemi Badenoch doesn't have that advantage - the "credible alternative Government" looks like Nigel Farage and Reform even though the Parliamentary arithemtic currnetly states otherwise. The polls are giving Farage the keys to No.10 much as they once did Roy Jenkins but that's only now and whether we like it or not, we are still a long way from an election.
I was a soft Tory who came to the SDP but I was very much in the minority, certainly up here. Most were people who had fallen out with the establishment in the Labour Party and expected to be in control. I don't think I ever voted for Maggie. It was 1992 by the time I went back to the Tories.
I'd never heard of Bob Vylan until yesterday, or Kneecap until a couple of weeks ago, but they must be loving all the publicity. Starmer, Nandy and others would have been well advised to totally ignore the furore whipped up, rather than contributing to it. Politicians don't have to give an opinion on everything. It really is nothing new for popular musicians to be subversive and controversial, and it really shouldn't be a matter for the criminal law. Best ignored.
Perhaps in future less of my much resented licence fee will go towards Glastonbury jollies for BBC presenters.
If enough people watch Glastonbury why shouldn't the BBC cover it, notwithstanding Bob Vylan (whoever they might be).
My big beef with the BBC is as some third rate reporter gets bumped up to lunchtime news presenter their salary rises to £250,000.
Mind you the BBC does have an effective salary structure for minions. A bit over minimum wage and contract renewal with a few weeks break every six months to unhitch any continuity benefits.
Is anyone saying they shouldn't cover it? Or are people just questioning why they feel they need so many to cover it....surely a reporter a cameraman and a sound person should suffice for the entire festival....not a couple of hundred
The BBC was not covering Glastonbury as a news item, it was broadcasting it. Of course that needed lots of people.
They needed reportedly 0.2% of the audience to be bbc employees to broadcast it...sorry even if broadcasting I don't see you need 400 staff there
I'd never heard of Bob Vylan until yesterday, or Kneecap until a couple of weeks ago, but they must be loving all the publicity. Starmer, Nandy and others would have been well advised to totally ignore the furore whipped up, rather than contributing to it. Politicians don't have to give an opinion on everything. It really is nothing new for popular musicians to be subversive and controversial, and it really shouldn't be a matter for the criminal law. Best ignored.
Perhaps in future less of my much resented licence fee will go towards Glastonbury jollies for BBC presenters.
If enough people watch Glastonbury why shouldn't the BBC cover it, notwithstanding Bob Vylan (whoever they might be).
My big beef with the BBC is as some third rate reporter gets bumped up to lunchtime news presenter their salary rises to £250,000.
Mind you the BBC does have an effective salary structure for minions. A bit over minimum wage and contract renewal with a few weeks break every six months to unhitch any continuity benefits.
Is anyone saying they shouldn't cover it? Or are people just questioning why they feel they need so many to cover it....surely a reporter a cameraman and a sound person should suffice for the entire festival....not a couple of hundred
The BBC was not covering Glastonbury as a news item, it was broadcasting it. Of course that needed lots of people.
They needed reportedly 0.2% of the audience to be bbc employees to broadcast it...sorry even if broadcasting I don't see you need 400 staff there
On the one hand I kind of admire those so motivated that they want to start their own political party. I felt very similarly as a University student nearly 45 years ago when I was a founder member of the SDP. We believed then that none of the current parties had the answer to Britain's problems. We needed some Thatcherite (or at least orange book) economics combined with some compassion that the Tories seemed to have mislaid.
But these new parties seem to turn on egos rather than ideas. On who has the "truth" rather than looking for consensus and a way forward. And even the SDP, with the genius of Roy Jenkins, David Owen, Shirley Williams and Bill...err, Rodgers did not succeed. Any one of the first 3 would be an absolute titan in modern politics.
I was an enthusiastic Liberal activist when the SDP was born. It was my experience in my area the new SDP members were from two different points of origin. One were ex-Labour, whether supporters of Jenkins, Owen, Rogers or Williams who had never disliked the Liberals or given us much thought. The other group were new to politics - usually ex-Conservative voters who liked Heath and loathed Thatcher.
I've often argued those who would have happily supported the SDP in January and February 1982 ran back to the Conservatives when the Falklands Conflict started. The Falklands saved Labour by ensuring Foot would remain LOTO no matter how severe the defeat inflicted by Thatcher which itself ensured when the pendulum swung back a decade later, it would be Labour which would be the credible alternative Government.
Kemi Badenoch doesn't have that advantage - the "credible alternative Government" looks like Nigel Farage and Reform even though the Parliamentary arithemtic currnetly states otherwise. The polls are giving Farage the keys to No.10 much as they once did Roy Jenkins but that's only now and whether we like it or not, we are still a long way from an election.
I was a soft Tory who came to the SDP but I was very much in the minority, certainly up here. Most were people who had fallen out with the establishment in the Labour Party and expected to be in control. I don't think I ever voted for Maggie. It was 1992 by the time I went back to the Tories.
My county provided the only Tory MP defector to the SDP - Chris Brocklebank-Fowler in NW Norfolk, ousted by Henry Bellingham in 1983
On the one hand I kind of admire those so motivated that they want to start their own political party. I felt very similarly as a University student nearly 45 years ago when I was a founder member of the SDP. We believed then that none of the current parties had the answer to Britain's problems. We needed some Thatcherite (or at least orange book) economics combined with some compassion that the Tories seemed to have mislaid.
But these new parties seem to turn on egos rather than ideas. On who has the "truth" rather than looking for consensus and a way forward. And even the SDP, with the genius of Roy Jenkins, David Owen, Shirley Williams and Bill...err, Rodgers did not succeed. Any one of the first 3 would be an absolute titan in modern politics.
I met Bill Rogers many years later, and he was an absolutely lovely guy.
Yes, I met him too, at Halifax if I remember rightly. He was very pleasant but lacked any of the intellectual heft of the others.
It's quite incredible to think that Shirley Williams was still doing TV shows representing the Liberal Democrats until a few years ago, considering she was elected as an MP all the way back in 1964, and was Shadow Home Secretary as early as 1971. Not many people have a political career as long as hers.
I am not sure the how could BBC know about Bob. They had a meeting and decided Kneecap were going to be too spicy, you might think they would also say is there anybody else on that we need to be really careful about. How about the bloke on before them....
Now if Rod Stewart had led a chant or gone an antisemitic rant, then I think yes that would have been a bit of a shock. Bob Vylan has been doing this ranting for years, has a record of causing trouble and specifically on Israel he has been all over Europe doing it. The Youtubers TPDTV were at PinkPop last week and he was doing the same shit and they were of FFS he is off again.
I am not sure the how could BBC know about Bob. They had a meeting and decided Kneecap were going to be too spicy, you might think they would also say is there anybody else on that we need to be really careful about. How about the bloke on before them....
Now if Rod Stewart had led a chant or gone an antisemitic rant, then I think yes that would have been a bit of a shock. Bob Vylan has been doing this ranting for years, has a record of causing trouble and specifically on Israel he has been all over Europe doing it. The Youtubers TPDTV were at PinkPop last week and he was doing the same shit and they were of FFS he is off again.
Rod did get censored.
Not live he didn't.
Not having a 7s delay which is absolutely normal for phone-in is very strange decision. A lot of live music coverage used to be more delayed than that, they used to pretend it was live but was often a fair bit behind.
I'd never heard of Bob Vylan until yesterday, or Kneecap until a couple of weeks ago, but they must be loving all the publicity. Starmer, Nandy and others would have been well advised to totally ignore the furore whipped up, rather than contributing to it. Politicians don't have to give an opinion on everything. It really is nothing new for popular musicians to be subversive and controversial, and it really shouldn't be a matter for the criminal law. Best ignored.
Perhaps in future less of my much resented licence fee will go towards Glastonbury jollies for BBC presenters.
If enough people watch Glastonbury why shouldn't the BBC cover it, notwithstanding Bob Vylan (whoever they might be).
My big beef with the BBC is as some third rate reporter gets bumped up to lunchtime news presenter their salary rises to £250,000.
Mind you the BBC does have an effective salary structure for minions. A bit over minimum wage and contract renewal with a few weeks break every six months to unhitch any continuity benefits.
Is anyone saying they shouldn't cover it? Or are people just questioning why they feel they need so many to cover it....surely a reporter a cameraman and a sound person should suffice for the entire festival....not a couple of hundred
The BBC was not covering Glastonbury as a news item, it was broadcasting it. Of course that needed lots of people.
They needed reportedly 0.2% of the audience to be bbc employees to broadcast it...sorry even if broadcasting I don't see you need 400 staff there
Back at you when did you, I don't really care about how the bbc tries to justify it. Thankfully I don't have to contribute to their annual staff freebie outing so don't really care that much. Just pointing out other tv companies also broadcast it and similar festivals without requiring so many staff and certainly don't need so many celebrities there
On the one hand I kind of admire those so motivated that they want to start their own political party. I felt very similarly as a University student nearly 45 years ago when I was a founder member of the SDP. We believed then that none of the current parties had the answer to Britain's problems. We needed some Thatcherite (or at least orange book) economics combined with some compassion that the Tories seemed to have mislaid.
But these new parties seem to turn on egos rather than ideas. On who has the "truth" rather than looking for consensus and a way forward. And even the SDP, with the genius of Roy Jenkins, David Owen, Shirley Williams and Bill...err, Rodgers did not succeed. Any one of the first 3 would be an absolute titan in modern politics.
I was an enthusiastic Liberal activist when the SDP was born. It was my experience in my area the new SDP members were from two different points of origin. One were ex-Labour, whether supporters of Jenkins, Owen, Rogers or Williams who had never disliked the Liberals or given us much thought. The other group were new to politics - usually ex-Conservative voters who liked Heath and loathed Thatcher.
I've often argued those who would have happily supported the SDP in January and February 1982 ran back to the Conservatives when the Falklands Conflict started. The Falklands saved Labour by ensuring Foot would remain LOTO no matter how severe the defeat inflicted by Thatcher which itself ensured when the pendulum swung back a decade later, it would be Labour which would be the credible alternative Government.
Kemi Badenoch doesn't have that advantage - the "credible alternative Government" looks like Nigel Farage and Reform even though the Parliamentary arithemtic currnetly states otherwise. The polls are giving Farage the keys to No.10 much as they once did Roy Jenkins but that's only now and whether we like it or not, we are still a long way from an election.
I was a soft Tory who came to the SDP but I was very much in the minority, certainly up here. Most were people who had fallen out with the establishment in the Labour Party and expected to be in control. I don't think I ever voted for Maggie. It was 1992 by the time I went back to the Tories.
My county provided the only Tory MP defector to the SDP - Chris Brocklebank-Fowler in NW Norfolk, ousted by Henry Bellingham in 1983
That was a real weakness on the part of the SDP. To truly dominate politics they needed the likes of Pym and Prior to come across but they stuck with Maggie. It seriously restricted the size of the tent. Curiously, from my perspective, things got better when the Orange Bookers came on board through the amalgamation. Until then I was an outlier.
Glasto made an odd call in censoring Rod. He said something pro Ukraine then called for less violence in the world as he went into a cover of Love Train by the O'Jays. Got snipped for his trouble.
Pity they didn't censor his singing... This outburst of free speech by feckless youths appears to given conniptions to the very people who are adamant this apathetic younger generation want to close down alternative opinions. Well I never.
Yes he wasn't great. The contrast with Olivia Rodrigo was stark.
Biggest Glasto fail imo? - absence of Neil Young on iplayer '30 days to watch'. I planned to watch it that way. Stuffed.
Glasto made an odd call in censoring Rod. He said something pro Ukraine then called for less violence in the world as he went into a cover of Love Train by the O'Jays. Got snipped for his trouble.
Pity they didn't censor his singing... This outburst of free speech by feckless youths appears to given conniptions to the very people who don't believe the apathetic younger generation want to close down alternative opinions. Well I never.
Was it worse than Paul McCartney when he did the Super Bowl half time show?
On the one hand I kind of admire those so motivated that they want to start their own political party. I felt very similarly as a University student nearly 45 years ago when I was a founder member of the SDP. We believed then that none of the current parties had the answer to Britain's problems. We needed some Thatcherite (or at least orange book) economics combined with some compassion that the Tories seemed to have mislaid.
But these new parties seem to turn on egos rather than ideas. On who has the "truth" rather than looking for consensus and a way forward. And even the SDP, with the genius of Roy Jenkins, David Owen, Shirley Williams and Bill...err, Rodgers did not succeed. Any one of the first 3 would be an absolute titan in modern politics.
I was an enthusiastic Liberal activist when the SDP was born. It was my experience in my area the new SDP members were from two different points of origin. One were ex-Labour, whether supporters of Jenkins, Owen, Rogers or Williams who had never disliked the Liberals or given us much thought. The other group were new to politics - usually ex-Conservative voters who liked Heath and loathed Thatcher.
I've often argued those who would have happily supported the SDP in January and February 1982 ran back to the Conservatives when the Falklands Conflict started. The Falklands saved Labour by ensuring Foot would remain LOTO no matter how severe the defeat inflicted by Thatcher which itself ensured when the pendulum swung back a decade later, it would be Labour which would be the credible alternative Government.
Kemi Badenoch doesn't have that advantage - the "credible alternative Government" looks like Nigel Farage and Reform even though the Parliamentary arithemtic currnetly states otherwise. The polls are giving Farage the keys to No.10 much as they once did Roy Jenkins but that's only now and whether we like it or not, we are still a long way from an election.
I was a soft Tory who came to the SDP but I was very much in the minority, certainly up here. Most were people who had fallen out with the establishment in the Labour Party and expected to be in control. I don't think I ever voted for Maggie. It was 1992 by the time I went back to the Tories.
My county provided the only Tory MP defector to the SDP - Chris Brocklebank-Fowler in NW Norfolk, ousted by Henry Bellingham in 1983
That was a real weakness on the part of the SDP. To truly dominate politics they needed the likes of Pym and Prior to come across but they stuck with Maggie. It seriously restricted the size of the tent. Curiously, from my perspective, things got better when the Orange Bookers came on board through the amalgamation. Until then I was an outlier.
Trump's America tying itself to the albatross of fossil fuels as China advances at pace into the middle 21st century:
Chris Murphy 🟧
@ChrisMurphyCT Ok, so Republicans just introduced a 900 page bill none of them have read. But my team is going through it line by line and on this 🧵you can see the hidden provisions we found. Will update all day.
Chris Murphy 🟧
@ChrisMurphyCT · 2h 2/ It was bad enough they cut all the tax incentives for wind and solar energy - they added a NEW TAX on these projects to make sure America never builds any new renewables.
Remember, Trump promised the oil industry provisions like this in exchange for a $1B campaign donation.
I am not sure the how could BBC know about Bob. They had a meeting and decided Kneecap were going to be too spicy, you might think they would also say is there anybody else on that we need to be really careful about. How about the bloke on before them....
Now if Rod Stewart had led a chant or gone an antisemitic rant, then I think yes that would have been a bit of a shock. Bob Vylan has been doing this ranting for years, has a record of causing trouble and specifically on Israel he has been all over Europe doing it. The Youtubers TPDTV were at PinkPop last week and he was doing the same shit and they were of FFS he is off again.
Rod did get censored.
Not live he didn't.
Not having a 7s delay which is absolutely normal for phone-in is very strange decision. A lot of live music coverage used to be more delayed than that, they used to pretend it was live but was often a fair bit behind.
On the one hand I kind of admire those so motivated that they want to start their own political party. I felt very similarly as a University student nearly 45 years ago when I was a founder member of the SDP. We believed then that none of the current parties had the answer to Britain's problems. We needed some Thatcherite (or at least orange book) economics combined with some compassion that the Tories seemed to have mislaid.
But these new parties seem to turn on egos rather than ideas. On who has the "truth" rather than looking for consensus and a way forward. And even the SDP, with the genius of Roy Jenkins, David Owen, Shirley Williams and Bill...err, Rodgers did not succeed. Any one of the first 3 would be an absolute titan in modern politics.
I met Bill Rogers many years later, and he was an absolutely lovely guy.
Yes, I met him too, at Halifax if I remember rightly. He was very pleasant but lacked any of the intellectual heft of the others.
It's quite incredible to think that Shirley Williams was still doing TV shows representing the Liberal Democrats until a few years ago, considering she was elected as an MP all the way back in 1964, and was Shadow Home Secretary as early as 1971. Not many people have a political career as long as hers.
She was utterly charming. And infuriating. She was late for....everything. She did a fabulous TV series interviewing left leaning political leaders from around the world. Her book Politics is for People really changed the way I thought. Her economics were to the left of me but her compassion and love for the disadvantaged was awe inspiring.
I'd never heard of Bob Vylan until yesterday, or Kneecap until a couple of weeks ago, but they must be loving all the publicity. Starmer, Nandy and others would have been well advised to totally ignore the furore whipped up, rather than contributing to it. Politicians don't have to give an opinion on everything. It really is nothing new for popular musicians to be subversive and controversial, and it really shouldn't be a matter for the criminal law. Best ignored.
Perhaps in future less of my much resented licence fee will go towards Glastonbury jollies for BBC presenters.
If enough people watch Glastonbury why shouldn't the BBC cover it, notwithstanding Bob Vylan (whoever they might be).
My big beef with the BBC is as some third rate reporter gets bumped up to lunchtime news presenter their salary rises to £250,000.
Mind you the BBC does have an effective salary structure for minions. A bit over minimum wage and contract renewal with a few weeks break every six months to unhitch any continuity benefits.
Is anyone saying they shouldn't cover it? Or are people just questioning why they feel they need so many to cover it....surely a reporter a cameraman and a sound person should suffice for the entire festival....not a couple of hundred
The BBC was not covering Glastonbury as a news item, it was broadcasting it. Of course that needed lots of people.
They needed reportedly 0.2% of the audience to be bbc employees to broadcast it...sorry even if broadcasting I don't see you need 400 staff there
Back at you when did you, I don't really care about how the bbc tries to justify it. Thankfully I don't have to contribute to their annual staff freebie outing so don't really care that much. Just pointing out other tv companies also broadcast it and similar festivals without requiring so many staff and certainly don't need so many celebrities there
So you know exactly how many people Sky sent to the Isle of Wight festival last week?
My viewpoint is
1) the BBC doesn't pay much for the rights 2) it seems to pull massive audiences compared to most other things on TV.
Glasto made an odd call in censoring Rod. He said something pro Ukraine then called for less violence in the world as he went into a cover of Love Train by the O'Jays. Got snipped for his trouble.
Pity they didn't censor his singing... This outburst of free speech by feckless youths appears to given conniptions to the very people who don't believe the apathetic younger generation want to close down alternative opinions. Well I never.
Was it worse than Paul McCartney when he did the Super Bowl half time show?
He did a really good Glasto though last year.
His super bowl appearance was that bad, I put on Radiohead Live to drown out the noise.
I am not sure the how could BBC know about Bob. They had a meeting and decided Kneecap were going to be too spicy, you might think they would also say is there anybody else on that we need to be really careful about. How about the bloke on before them....
Now if Rod Stewart had led a chant or gone an antisemitic rant, then I think yes that would have been a bit of a shock. Bob Vylan has been doing this ranting for years, has a record of causing trouble and specifically on Israel he has been all over Europe doing it. The Youtubers TPDTV were at PinkPop last week and he was doing the same shit and they were of FFS he is off again.
Rod did get censored.
Not live he didn't.
Not having a 7s delay which is absolutely normal for phone-in is very strange decision. A lot of live music coverage used to be more delayed than that, they used to pretend it was live but was often a fair bit behind.
Horse racing coverage is interesting - the pictures shown on Sky Sports Racing and Racing UK have a delay. I'm not sure if there is a delay on ITV Racing - if a horse suffers a fatal fall or injury, the camera angle is quickly changed but it's often too late.
If you want to bet in-running, the only place to do it is at the track live and you have an advantage as other pictures are sent with a fractional delay. I remember they used to have people on track who would be commenting on mobiles directly to in-running punters to tell them what was happening.
I'd never heard of Bob Vylan until yesterday, or Kneecap until a couple of weeks ago, but they must be loving all the publicity. Starmer, Nandy and others would have been well advised to totally ignore the furore whipped up, rather than contributing to it. Politicians don't have to give an opinion on everything. It really is nothing new for popular musicians to be subversive and controversial, and it really shouldn't be a matter for the criminal law. Best ignored.
Perhaps in future less of my much resented licence fee will go towards Glastonbury jollies for BBC presenters.
If enough people watch Glastonbury why shouldn't the BBC cover it, notwithstanding Bob Vylan (whoever they might be).
My big beef with the BBC is as some third rate reporter gets bumped up to lunchtime news presenter their salary rises to £250,000.
Mind you the BBC does have an effective salary structure for minions. A bit over minimum wage and contract renewal with a few weeks break every six months to unhitch any continuity benefits.
Is anyone saying they shouldn't cover it? Or are people just questioning why they feel they need so many to cover it....surely a reporter a cameraman and a sound person should suffice for the entire festival....not a couple of hundred
The BBC was not covering Glastonbury as a news item, it was broadcasting it. Of course that needed lots of people.
They needed reportedly 0.2% of the audience to be bbc employees to broadcast it...sorry even if broadcasting I don't see you need 400 staff there
Back at you when did you, I don't really care about how the bbc tries to justify it. Thankfully I don't have to contribute to their annual staff freebie outing so don't really care that much. Just pointing out other tv companies also broadcast it and similar festivals without requiring so many staff and certainly don't need so many celebrities there
So you know exactly how many people Sky sent to the Isle of Wight festival last week?
My viewpoint is
1) the BBC doesn't pay much for the rights 2) it seems to pull massive audiences compared to most other things on TV.
Both points being totally irrelevant as the cost of the rights and the audience they pulled could have been achieved by a head count of around 40 if you are generous
The Devil’s Throat. Deep in the Rhodope Mountains in Thrace. This is where Orpheus - a Thracian - went down to save Eurydice from the Underworld, and then turned back to look, casting her into eternal darkness
It is also a deeply strange and sinister cavern where a mighty river plunges deep into the rock and disappears. The cave system has never been properly explored - all caving was stopped 30 years ago when the bodies of two cavers were retrieved. Both had died from heart attack, no one knows why to this day
The river entering the pits of the earth creates a brilliantly noomy mist….
Trump's America tying itself to the albatross of fossil fuels as China advances at pace into the middle 21st century:
Chris Murphy 🟧
@ChrisMurphyCT Ok, so Republicans just introduced a 900 page bill none of them have read. But my team is going through it line by line and on this 🧵you can see the hidden provisions we found. Will update all day.
Chris Murphy 🟧
@ChrisMurphyCT · 2h 2/ It was bad enough they cut all the tax incentives for wind and solar energy - they added a NEW TAX on these projects to make sure America never builds any new renewables.
Remember, Trump promised the oil industry provisions like this in exchange for a $1B campaign donation.
I'd never heard of Bob Vylan until yesterday, or Kneecap until a couple of weeks ago, but they must be loving all the publicity. Starmer, Nandy and others would have been well advised to totally ignore the furore whipped up, rather than contributing to it. Politicians don't have to give an opinion on everything. It really is nothing new for popular musicians to be subversive and controversial, and it really shouldn't be a matter for the criminal law. Best ignored.
Perhaps in future less of my much resented licence fee will go towards Glastonbury jollies for BBC presenters.
If enough people watch Glastonbury why shouldn't the BBC cover it, notwithstanding Bob Vylan (whoever they might be).
My big beef with the BBC is as some third rate reporter gets bumped up to lunchtime news presenter their salary rises to £250,000.
Mind you the BBC does have an effective salary structure for minions. A bit over minimum wage and contract renewal with a few weeks break every six months to unhitch any continuity benefits.
Is anyone saying they shouldn't cover it? Or are people just questioning why they feel they need so many to cover it....surely a reporter a cameraman and a sound person should suffice for the entire festival....not a couple of hundred
The BBC was not covering Glastonbury as a news item, it was broadcasting it. Of course that needed lots of people.
They needed reportedly 0.2% of the audience to be bbc employees to broadcast it...sorry even if broadcasting I don't see you need 400 staff there
Back at you when did you, I don't really care about how the bbc tries to justify it. Thankfully I don't have to contribute to their annual staff freebie outing so don't really care that much. Just pointing out other tv companies also broadcast it and similar festivals without requiring so many staff and certainly don't need so many celebrities there
So you know exactly how many people Sky sent to the Isle of Wight festival last week?
My viewpoint is
1) the BBC doesn't pay much for the rights 2) it seems to pull massive audiences compared to most other things on TV.
Both points being totally irrelevant as the cost of the rights and the audience they pulled could have been achieved by a head count of around 40 if you are generous
Assumptions make an ass out of you and me. Although I'm not the one making assumptions except making the assumption that past experience has shown that the BBC need x00 people on site to broadcast things the way they want to broadcast them so they take x00 people to broadcast Glastonbury.
You seem to take the assumption that 1 camera is enough yet Pulp's recent tour had 6 cameramen just to provide shots for the screens on either side for those who had seats at the back..
Trump's America tying itself to the albatross of fossil fuels as China advances at pace into the middle 21st century:
Chris Murphy 🟧
@ChrisMurphyCT Ok, so Republicans just introduced a 900 page bill none of them have read. But my team is going through it line by line and on this 🧵you can see the hidden provisions we found. Will update all day.
Chris Murphy 🟧
@ChrisMurphyCT · 2h 2/ It was bad enough they cut all the tax incentives for wind and solar energy - they added a NEW TAX on these projects to make sure America never builds any new renewables.
Remember, Trump promised the oil industry provisions like this in exchange for a $1B campaign donation.
Wind and solar were the two fastest growing job sectors in the US, IIRC. We should offer a four-year visa for renewables technicians with a possible extension to match this stupidity in the US.
We've got 40GW in the pipeline in Scotland alone - let's get it built now with ambitious young Americans.
I'd never heard of Bob Vylan until yesterday, or Kneecap until a couple of weeks ago, but they must be loving all the publicity. Starmer, Nandy and others would have been well advised to totally ignore the furore whipped up, rather than contributing to it. Politicians don't have to give an opinion on everything. It really is nothing new for popular musicians to be subversive and controversial, and it really shouldn't be a matter for the criminal law. Best ignored.
Perhaps in future less of my much resented licence fee will go towards Glastonbury jollies for BBC presenters.
If enough people watch Glastonbury why shouldn't the BBC cover it, notwithstanding Bob Vylan (whoever they might be).
My big beef with the BBC is as some third rate reporter gets bumped up to lunchtime news presenter their salary rises to £250,000.
Mind you the BBC does have an effective salary structure for minions. A bit over minimum wage and contract renewal with a few weeks break every six months to unhitch any continuity benefits.
Is anyone saying they shouldn't cover it? Or are people just questioning why they feel they need so many to cover it....surely a reporter a cameraman and a sound person should suffice for the entire festival....not a couple of hundred
The BBC was not covering Glastonbury as a news item, it was broadcasting it. Of course that needed lots of people.
They needed reportedly 0.2% of the audience to be bbc employees to broadcast it...sorry even if broadcasting I don't see you need 400 staff there
Back at you when did you, I don't really care about how the bbc tries to justify it. Thankfully I don't have to contribute to their annual staff freebie outing so don't really care that much. Just pointing out other tv companies also broadcast it and similar festivals without requiring so many staff and certainly don't need so many celebrities there
So you know exactly how many people Sky sent to the Isle of Wight festival last week?
My viewpoint is
1) the BBC doesn't pay much for the rights 2) it seems to pull massive audiences compared to most other things on TV.
Both points being totally irrelevant as the cost of the rights and the audience they pulled could have been achieved by a head count of around 40 if you are generous
Assumptions make an ass out of you and me. Although I'm not the one making assumptions except making the assumption that past experience has shown that the BBC need x00 people on site to broadcast things the way they want to broadcast them so they take x00 people to broadcast Glastonbury.
You seem to take the assumption that 1 camera is enough yet Pulp's recent tour had 6 cameramen just to provide shots for the screens on either side for those who had seats at the back..
400 is not an assumption it was what was reported for bbc staffing this year. Sorry I dont believe 400 is necessary and am willing to bet a good number of them were "executives" and lovies
Glasto made an odd call in censoring Rod. He said something pro Ukraine then called for less violence in the world as he went into a cover of Love Train by the O'Jays. Got snipped for his trouble.
Pity they didn't censor his singing... This outburst of free speech by feckless youths appears to given conniptions to the very people who don't believe the apathetic younger generation want to close down alternative opinions. Well I never.
Was it worse than Paul McCartney when he did the Super Bowl half time show?
He did a really good Glasto though last year.
His super bowl appearance was that bad, I put on Radiohead Live to drown out the noise.
Well he'd have phoned that in. Superbowl is just an American nonsense.
Glasto made an odd call in censoring Rod. He said something pro Ukraine then called for less violence in the world as he went into a cover of Love Train by the O'Jays. Got snipped for his trouble.
Pity they didn't censor his singing... This outburst of free speech by feckless youths appears to given conniptions to the very people who are adamant this apathetic younger generation want to close down alternative opinions. Well I never.
Yes he wasn't great. The contrast with Olivia Rodrigo was stark.
Biggest Glasto fail imo? - absence of Neil Young on iplayer '30 days to watch'. I planned to watch it that way. Stuffed.
Neil young refused to give the BBC broadcast rights.
Pulp did the same at TRNSMT in Glasgow back in 2023 - it's the band's decision as to whether to accept the relatively token payment the BBC offers.
Surrey scored 820-9 against Durham, a club record, with three centurions and Sibley making 305.
Looking at the wickets, I can just imagine the reaction of the batsman sent out when the fifth wicket fell at 745 - something like "I'm the man for this crisis". Surrey then lost four wickets for 35 runs to go from 785-5 to 820-9.
Durham have reached stumps a mere 769 runs behind.
Glasto made an odd call in censoring Rod. He said something pro Ukraine then called for less violence in the world as he went into a cover of Love Train by the O'Jays. Got snipped for his trouble.
Pity they didn't censor his singing... This outburst of free speech by feckless youths appears to given conniptions to the very people who are adamant this apathetic younger generation want to close down alternative opinions. Well I never.
Yes he wasn't great. The contrast with Olivia Rodrigo was stark.
Biggest Glasto fail imo? - absence of Neil Young on iplayer '30 days to watch'. I planned to watch it that way. Stuffed.
Neil young refused to give the BBC broadcast rights.
Pulp did the same at TRNSMT in Glasgow back in 2023 - it's the band's decision as to whether to accept the relatively token payment the BBC offers.
Yes that's what I thought. It nearly didn't get shown at all.
Anyway, upshot - I don't get to see it. Kicking myself for not recording.
I am betting that as the licence fee gets more and more questionable as a thing the bbc will come down arguing that they should be funded out of general taxation because they will realise they won't get nearly as well funded if people dont have to pay to watch other channels etc
The Devil’s Throat. Deep in the Rhodope Mountains in Thrace. This is where Orpheus - a Thracian - went down to save Eurydice from the Underworld, and then turned back to look, casting her into eternal darkness
It is also a deeply strange and sinister cavern where a mighty river plunges deep into the rock and disappears. The cave system has never been properly explored - all caving was stopped 30 years ago when the bodies of two cavers were retrieved. Both had died from heart attack, no one knows why to this day
The river entering the pits of the earth creates a brilliantly noomy mist….
That was my set book for Latin O level - Orpheus and Eurydice.
Glasto made an odd call in censoring Rod. He said something pro Ukraine then called for less violence in the world as he went into a cover of Love Train by the O'Jays. Got snipped for his trouble.
Pity they didn't censor his singing... This outburst of free speech by feckless youths appears to given conniptions to the very people who are adamant this apathetic younger generation want to close down alternative opinions. Well I never.
Yes he wasn't great. The contrast with Olivia Rodrigo was stark.
Biggest Glasto fail imo? - absence of Neil Young on iplayer '30 days to watch'. I planned to watch it that way. Stuffed.
Neil young refused to give the BBC broadcast rights.
Pulp did the same at TRNSMT in Glasgow back in 2023 - it's the band's decision as to whether to accept the relatively token payment the BBC offers.
Yes that's what I thought. It nearly didn't get shown at all.
Anyway, upshot - I don't get to see it. Kicking myself for not recording.
Just have to watch Nile Rodgers and Chic instead...
Glasto made an odd call in censoring Rod. He said something pro Ukraine then called for less violence in the world as he went into a cover of Love Train by the O'Jays. Got snipped for his trouble.
Pity they didn't censor his singing... This outburst of free speech by feckless youths appears to given conniptions to the very people who are adamant this apathetic younger generation want to close down alternative opinions. Well I never.
Yes he wasn't great. The contrast with Olivia Rodrigo was stark.
Biggest Glasto fail imo? - absence of Neil Young on iplayer '30 days to watch'. I planned to watch it that way. Stuffed.
Neil young refused to give the BBC broadcast rights.
Pulp did the same at TRNSMT in Glasgow back in 2023 - it's the band's decision as to whether to accept the relatively token payment the BBC offers.
Yes that's what I thought. It nearly didn't get shown at all.
Anyway, upshot - I don't get to see it. Kicking myself for not recording.
Neil is famously grumpy and famously protective over rights and so on.
“Kill the IDF” and “fuck the British” rappers Bob Vylan have had their visas revoked and can’t tour the USA. They have also been abandoned by agents and management.
Go woke, go broke
I’m all for free speech and I’m also all for capitalism teaching stiff lessons to hateful morons
I wonder if Glasto will ever quite recover from this
You're falling into the same trap that many 'anti-woke' idiots do: "If I don't like it, it's woke'
What they're saying is in no way woke. If it has any purpose, it is to get them publicity.
"Kill the IDF" and "Fuck the British" is pretty much textbook woke. They just need a "trans women are women" and they've covered all bases.
Shame the pro Brexit BPoplive festival failed to take off, this could have provided a reverse template for them. ‘Love the IDF, fuck the British haters and trans women are blokes’ on a saggy banner at the entrance.
You can keep your festivals and we'll keep winning in court and at the ballot box. Labour will be gone in four years and all of this will get swept away.
I can see that a lot of Mail commenters already want Farage to ban the Glastonbury Festival, looking at their website, which will go well with his free speech agenda.
Trumpsville, here we come.
Always intrigues me why Labour supporters even bother reading the mail and telegraph with their predictable content
My main source of news are Sky and the BBC and often the Guardian
Indeed I do tend to link my comments to these broadcasters and frankly have little time for social media
As far as Glastonbury is concerned, both they and the BBC are inviting serious repercussions and Lisa Nandy with the conservative spokesperson were wholly on the same page in the HOC just now in their condemnation of this weekends events
I'm waiting to hear what my (left-ish) granddaughter and her partner, who were there, thought of it. At some point I'll go down to the local pub and raise the subject, too.
Glasto made an odd call in censoring Rod. He said something pro Ukraine then called for less violence in the world as he went into a cover of Love Train by the O'Jays. Got snipped for his trouble.
Pity they didn't censor his singing... This outburst of free speech by feckless youths appears to given conniptions to the very people who are adamant this apathetic younger generation want to close down alternative opinions. Well I never.
Yes he wasn't great. The contrast with Olivia Rodrigo was stark.
Biggest Glasto fail imo? - absence of Neil Young on iplayer '30 days to watch'. I planned to watch it that way. Stuffed.
Neil young refused to give the BBC broadcast rights.
Pulp did the same at TRNSMT in Glasgow back in 2023 - it's the band's decision as to whether to accept the relatively token payment the BBC offers.
Yes that's what I thought. It nearly didn't get shown at all.
Anyway, upshot - I don't get to see it. Kicking myself for not recording.
Just have to watch Nile Rodgers and Chic instead...
Nile was great.
Rod's first cut was indeed the deepest of disappointments. Mind you Maggie May was fifty years too late for both of them too.
Surrey scored 820-9 against Durham, a club record, with three centurions and Sibley making 305.
Looking at the wickets, I can just imagine the reaction of the batsman sent out when the fifth wicket fell at 745 - something like "I'm the man for this crisis". Surrey then lost four wickets for 35 runs to go from 785-5 to 820-9.
Durham have reached stumps a mere 769 runs behind.
Yes, it's very much proven that English bowlers are rubbish with the Kookaburra.
On the one hand I kind of admire those so motivated that they want to start their own political party. I felt very similarly as a University student nearly 45 years ago when I was a founder member of the SDP. We believed then that none of the current parties had the answer to Britain's problems. We needed some Thatcherite (or at least orange book) economics combined with some compassion that the Tories seemed to have mislaid.
But these new parties seem to turn on egos rather than ideas. On who has the "truth" rather than looking for consensus and a way forward. And even the SDP, with the genius of Roy Jenkins, David Owen, Shirley Williams and Bill...err, Rodgers did not succeed. Any one of the first 3 would be an absolute titan in modern politics.
I was an enthusiastic Liberal activist when the SDP was born. It was my experience in my area the new SDP members were from two different points of origin. One were ex-Labour, whether supporters of Jenkins, Owen, Rogers or Williams who had never disliked the Liberals or given us much thought. The other group were new to politics - usually ex-Conservative voters who liked Heath and loathed Thatcher.
I've often argued those who would have happily supported the SDP in January and February 1982 ran back to the Conservatives when the Falklands Conflict started. The Falklands saved Labour by ensuring Foot would remain LOTO no matter how severe the defeat inflicted by Thatcher which itself ensured when the pendulum swung back a decade later, it would be Labour which would be the credible alternative Government.
Kemi Badenoch doesn't have that advantage - the "credible alternative Government" looks like Nigel Farage and Reform even though the Parliamentary arithemtic currnetly states otherwise. The polls are giving Farage the keys to No.10 much as they once did Roy Jenkins but that's only now and whether we like it or not, we are still a long way from an election.
I was a soft Tory who came to the SDP but I was very much in the minority, certainly up here. Most were people who had fallen out with the establishment in the Labour Party and expected to be in control. I don't think I ever voted for Maggie. It was 1992 by the time I went back to the Tories.
My county provided the only Tory MP defector to the SDP - Chris Brocklebank-Fowler in NW Norfolk, ousted by Henry Bellingham in 1983
There's a great story behind that defection. The SDP were desperate for a Tory defector. REALLY desperate...
Not all the players are yet dead - so I will leave it at that.
On the one hand I kind of admire those so motivated that they want to start their own political party. I felt very similarly as a University student nearly 45 years ago when I was a founder member of the SDP. We believed then that none of the current parties had the answer to Britain's problems. We needed some Thatcherite (or at least orange book) economics combined with some compassion that the Tories seemed to have mislaid.
But these new parties seem to turn on egos rather than ideas. On who has the "truth" rather than looking for consensus and a way forward. And even the SDP, with the genius of Roy Jenkins, David Owen, Shirley Williams and Bill...err, Rodgers did not succeed. Any one of the first 3 would be an absolute titan in modern politics.
I was an enthusiastic Liberal activist when the SDP was born. It was my experience in my area the new SDP members were from two different points of origin. One were ex-Labour, whether supporters of Jenkins, Owen, Rogers or Williams who had never disliked the Liberals or given us much thought. The other group were new to politics - usually ex-Conservative voters who liked Heath and loathed Thatcher.
I've often argued those who would have happily supported the SDP in January and February 1982 ran back to the Conservatives when the Falklands Conflict started. The Falklands saved Labour by ensuring Foot would remain LOTO no matter how severe the defeat inflicted by Thatcher which itself ensured when the pendulum swung back a decade later, it would be Labour which would be the credible alternative Government.
Kemi Badenoch doesn't have that advantage - the "credible alternative Government" looks like Nigel Farage and Reform even though the Parliamentary arithemtic currnetly states otherwise. The polls are giving Farage the keys to No.10 much as they once did Roy Jenkins but that's only now and whether we like it or not, we are still a long way from an election.
I was a soft Tory who came to the SDP but I was very much in the minority, certainly up here. Most were people who had fallen out with the establishment in the Labour Party and expected to be in control. I don't think I ever voted for Maggie. It was 1992 by the time I went back to the Tories.
My county provided the only Tory MP defector to the SDP - Chris Brocklebank-Fowler in NW Norfolk, ousted by Henry Bellingham in 1983
There's a great story behind that defection. The SDP were desperate for a Tory defector. REALLY desperate...
Not all the players are yet dead - so I will leave it at that.
I'd never heard of Bob Vylan until yesterday, or Kneecap until a couple of weeks ago, but they must be loving all the publicity. Starmer, Nandy and others would have been well advised to totally ignore the furore whipped up, rather than contributing to it. Politicians don't have to give an opinion on everything. It really is nothing new for popular musicians to be subversive and controversial, and it really shouldn't be a matter for the criminal law. Best ignored.
Perhaps in future less of my much resented licence fee will go towards Glastonbury jollies for BBC presenters.
If enough people watch Glastonbury why shouldn't the BBC cover it, notwithstanding Bob Vylan (whoever they might be).
My big beef with the BBC is as some third rate reporter gets bumped up to lunchtime news presenter their salary rises to £250,000.
Mind you the BBC does have an effective salary structure for minions. A bit over minimum wage and contract renewal with a few weeks break every six months to unhitch any continuity benefits.
Is anyone saying they shouldn't cover it? Or are people just questioning why they feel they need so many to cover it....surely a reporter a cameraman and a sound person should suffice for the entire festival....not a couple of hundred
The BBC was not covering Glastonbury as a news item, it was broadcasting it. Of course that needed lots of people.
They needed reportedly 0.2% of the audience to be bbc employees to broadcast it...sorry even if broadcasting I don't see you need 400 staff there
The issue with this is the same as when people criticise their news coverage. There used to be a program (News watch?) where a talking beeboid would say 'we think we got it about right' whenever challenged. Of course the been thinking they need 400 staff, and it's definitely not a jolly for any of them...
Trump's America tying itself to the albatross of fossil fuels as China advances at pace into the middle 21st century:
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@ChrisMurphyCT Ok, so Republicans just introduced a 900 page bill none of them have read. But my team is going through it line by line and on this 🧵you can see the hidden provisions we found. Will update all day.
Chris Murphy 🟧
@ChrisMurphyCT · 2h 2/ It was bad enough they cut all the tax incentives for wind and solar energy - they added a NEW TAX on these projects to make sure America never builds any new renewables.
Remember, Trump promised the oil industry provisions like this in exchange for a $1B campaign donation.
I'd never heard of Bob Vylan until yesterday, or Kneecap until a couple of weeks ago, but they must be loving all the publicity. Starmer, Nandy and others would have been well advised to totally ignore the furore whipped up, rather than contributing to it. Politicians don't have to give an opinion on everything. It really is nothing new for popular musicians to be subversive and controversial, and it really shouldn't be a matter for the criminal law. Best ignored.
Perhaps in future less of my much resented licence fee will go towards Glastonbury jollies for BBC presenters.
If enough people watch Glastonbury why shouldn't the BBC cover it, notwithstanding Bob Vylan (whoever they might be).
My big beef with the BBC is as some third rate reporter gets bumped up to lunchtime news presenter their salary rises to £250,000.
Mind you the BBC does have an effective salary structure for minions. A bit over minimum wage and contract renewal with a few weeks break every six months to unhitch any continuity benefits.
Is anyone saying they shouldn't cover it? Or are people just questioning why they feel they need so many to cover it....surely a reporter a cameraman and a sound person should suffice for the entire festival....not a couple of hundred
The BBC was not covering Glastonbury as a news item, it was broadcasting it. Of course that needed lots of people.
They needed reportedly 0.2% of the audience to be bbc employees to broadcast it...sorry even if broadcasting I don't see you need 400 staff there
The issue with this is the same as when people criticise their news coverage. There used to be a program (News watch?) where a talking beeboid would say 'we think we got it about right' whenever challenged. Of course the been thinking they need 400 staff, and it's definitely not a jolly for any of them...
Also noticeable they weren't itemising why they needed so many just justifying it by at one point we had 15 million and averaged 5.7 million....they probably get 5.7 million for strictly without needing 400 staff
Trump's America tying itself to the albatross of fossil fuels as China advances at pace into the middle 21st century:
Chris Murphy 🟧
@ChrisMurphyCT Ok, so Republicans just introduced a 900 page bill none of them have read. But my team is going through it line by line and on this 🧵you can see the hidden provisions we found. Will update all day.
Chris Murphy 🟧
@ChrisMurphyCT · 2h 2/ It was bad enough they cut all the tax incentives for wind and solar energy - they added a NEW TAX on these projects to make sure America never builds any new renewables.
Remember, Trump promised the oil industry provisions like this in exchange for a $1B campaign donation.
28.3 degrees in my east-facing living room right now!
In my lower ground flat it is a breezy 23.8 (30 outside).
Got better this afternoon here in Devon, but this morning was like being in a temperate rain forest.
Now the warmest part of the day. Should be another good night for the moths. Last night I had a first record for Devon of the Brown Scallop. Really underwhelming, and this was a very worn example - but hey, a record is a record. At least I will make the annual report!
On the one hand I kind of admire those so motivated that they want to start their own political party. I felt very similarly as a University student nearly 45 years ago when I was a founder member of the SDP. We believed then that none of the current parties had the answer to Britain's problems. We needed some Thatcherite (or at least orange book) economics combined with some compassion that the Tories seemed to have mislaid.
But these new parties seem to turn on egos rather than ideas. On who has the "truth" rather than looking for consensus and a way forward. And even the SDP, with the genius of Roy Jenkins, David Owen, Shirley Williams and Bill...err, Rodgers did not succeed. Any one of the first 3 would be an absolute titan in modern politics.
I was an enthusiastic Liberal activist when the SDP was born. It was my experience in my area the new SDP members were from two different points of origin. One were ex-Labour, whether supporters of Jenkins, Owen, Rogers or Williams who had never disliked the Liberals or given us much thought. The other group were new to politics - usually ex-Conservative voters who liked Heath and loathed Thatcher.
I've often argued those who would have happily supported the SDP in January and February 1982 ran back to the Conservatives when the Falklands Conflict started. The Falklands saved Labour by ensuring Foot would remain LOTO no matter how severe the defeat inflicted by Thatcher which itself ensured when the pendulum swung back a decade later, it would be Labour which would be the credible alternative Government.
Kemi Badenoch doesn't have that advantage - the "credible alternative Government" looks like Nigel Farage and Reform even though the Parliamentary arithemtic currnetly states otherwise. The polls are giving Farage the keys to No.10 much as they once did Roy Jenkins but that's only now and whether we like it or not, we are still a long way from an election.
I was a soft Tory who came to the SDP but I was very much in the minority, certainly up here. Most were people who had fallen out with the establishment in the Labour Party and expected to be in control. I don't think I ever voted for Maggie. It was 1992 by the time I went back to the Tories.
My county provided the only Tory MP defector to the SDP - Chris Brocklebank-Fowler in NW Norfolk, ousted by Henry Bellingham in 1983
There's a great story behind that defection. The SDP were desperate for a Tory defector. REALLY desperate...
Not all the players are yet dead - so I will leave it at that.
Surrey scored 820-9 against Durham, a club record, with three centurions and Sibley making 305.
Looking at the wickets, I can just imagine the reaction of the batsman sent out when the fifth wicket fell at 745 - something like "I'm the man for this crisis". Surrey then lost four wickets for 35 runs to go from 785-5 to 820-9.
Durham have reached stumps a mere 769 runs behind.
Yes, it's very much proven that English bowlers are rubbish with the Kookaburra.
The lowest first innings score was Lancashire's 367 out of nine matches. Besides Surrey's 820/9 there was also Worcs 679/7, Kent 566/8, Middlesex 534 and Warks 415.
Surrey scored 820-9 against Durham, a club record, with three centurions and Sibley making 305.
Looking at the wickets, I can just imagine the reaction of the batsman sent out when the fifth wicket fell at 745 - something like "I'm the man for this crisis". Surrey then lost four wickets for 35 runs to go from 785-5 to 820-9.
Durham have reached stumps a mere 769 runs behind.
Yes, it's very much proven that English bowlers are rubbish with the Kookaburra.
The lowest first innings score was Lancashire's 367 out of nine matches. Besides Surrey's 820/9 there was also Worcs 679/7, Kent 566/8, Middlesex 534 and Warks 415.
The Kookaburra ball makes for poor matches.
Seems an odd time of year to do it with the bowlers who will likely have to do the business down under not playing county cricket at the moment.
Trump's America tying itself to the albatross of fossil fuels as China advances at pace into the middle 21st century:
Chris Murphy 🟧
@ChrisMurphyCT Ok, so Republicans just introduced a 900 page bill none of them have read. But my team is going through it line by line and on this 🧵you can see the hidden provisions we found. Will update all day.
Chris Murphy 🟧
@ChrisMurphyCT · 2h 2/ It was bad enough they cut all the tax incentives for wind and solar energy - they added a NEW TAX on these projects to make sure America never builds any new renewables.
Remember, Trump promised the oil industry provisions like this in exchange for a $1B campaign donation.
What - go backward and penalise solar and increase our use of expensive oil and gas for electricity?
Oil and gas isn't more expensive - show us the relative strike prices. You can't, because it isn't.
'Go backward' is an utterly meaningless value judgement.
Solar panels are dirt cheap, but the strike price of solar was raised recently, and many businesses are being forced to purchase renewable energy - why exactly should those making a great deal of money this way be immune from tax rises? Should anything with green in the title be a licence to print money?
Trump's America tying itself to the albatross of fossil fuels as China advances at pace into the middle 21st century:
Chris Murphy 🟧
@ChrisMurphyCT Ok, so Republicans just introduced a 900 page bill none of them have read. But my team is going through it line by line and on this 🧵you can see the hidden provisions we found. Will update all day.
Chris Murphy 🟧
@ChrisMurphyCT · 2h 2/ It was bad enough they cut all the tax incentives for wind and solar energy - they added a NEW TAX on these projects to make sure America never builds any new renewables.
Remember, Trump promised the oil industry provisions like this in exchange for a $1B campaign donation.
Our politicans pat themselves on the back for getting up to 75% at times of our lecky from the wind. Job done.
But that wind and solar has a lifespan of c. 30 years. Some of it is a chunk of the way through its lifespan. Its all going to need replacing - from the ground up. And all the supply contracts will need renegotiating.
And they'll have the government of the day over a (non-hydrocarbon) barrel.
Trump's America tying itself to the albatross of fossil fuels as China advances at pace into the middle 21st century:
Chris Murphy 🟧
@ChrisMurphyCT Ok, so Republicans just introduced a 900 page bill none of them have read. But my team is going through it line by line and on this 🧵you can see the hidden provisions we found. Will update all day.
Chris Murphy 🟧
@ChrisMurphyCT · 2h 2/ It was bad enough they cut all the tax incentives for wind and solar energy - they added a NEW TAX on these projects to make sure America never builds any new renewables.
Remember, Trump promised the oil industry provisions like this in exchange for a $1B campaign donation.
Our politicans pat themselves on the back for getting up to 75% at times of our lecky from the wind. Job done.
But that wind and solar has a lifespan of c. 30 years. Some of it is a chunk of the way through its lifespan. Its all going to need replacing - from the ground up. And all the supply contracts will need renegotiating.
And they'll have the government of the day over a (non-hydrocarbon) barrel.
Yes. It's f***ing shit. And the mendacious shysters who promote it need to be called out for the country-wreckers they are.
Glasto made an odd call in censoring Rod. He said something pro Ukraine then called for less violence in the world as he went into a cover of Love Train by the O'Jays. Got snipped for his trouble.
Pity they didn't censor his singing... This outburst of free speech by feckless youths appears to given conniptions to the very people who are adamant this apathetic younger generation want to close down alternative opinions. Well I never.
Yes he wasn't great. The contrast with Olivia Rodrigo was stark.
Biggest Glasto fail imo? - absence of Neil Young on iplayer '30 days to watch'. I planned to watch it that way. Stuffed.
Neil young refused to give the BBC broadcast rights.
Pulp did the same at TRNSMT in Glasgow back in 2023 - it's the band's decision as to whether to accept the relatively token payment the BBC offers.
Yes that's what I thought. It nearly didn't get shown at all.
Anyway, upshot - I don't get to see it. Kicking myself for not recording.
Just have to watch Nile Rodgers and Chic instead...
Nile was great.
Rod's first cut was indeed the deepest of disappointments. Mind you Maggie May was fifty years too late for both of them too.
Rod's voice has been shot for ages. But a bout of 'flu didn't help.
Plus - perhaps because of the above - he was incredibly nervous at the start of his set.
I am not sure the how could BBC know about Bob. They had a meeting and decided Kneecap were going to be too spicy, you might think they would also say is there anybody else on that we need to be really careful about. How about the bloke on before them....
Now if Rod Stewart had led a chant or gone an antisemitic rant, then I think yes that would have been a bit of a shock. Bob Vylan has been doing this ranting for years, has a record of causing trouble and specifically on Israel he has been all over Europe doing it. The Youtubers TPDTV were at PinkPop last week and he was doing the same shit and they were of FFS he is off again.
Rod did get censored.
Not live he didn't.
Not having a 7s delay which is absolutely normal for phone-in is very strange decision. A lot of live music coverage used to be more delayed than that, they used to pretend it was live but was often a fair bit behind.
Horse racing coverage is interesting - the pictures shown on Sky Sports Racing and Racing UK have a delay. I'm not sure if there is a delay on ITV Racing - if a horse suffers a fatal fall or injury, the camera angle is quickly changed but it's often too late.
If you want to bet in-running, the only place to do it is at the track live and you have an advantage as other pictures are sent with a fractional delay. I remember they used to have people on track who would be commenting on mobiles directly to in-running punters to tell them what was happening.
Drones are used by in-running punters now. For horseracing they have replaced "fast pix" and on-course box players. You can just about play in-running at home using Betfair video but there is a large delay on RTV and an insurmountable one on ATR.
Surrey scored 820-9 against Durham, a club record, with three centurions and Sibley making 305.
Looking at the wickets, I can just imagine the reaction of the batsman sent out when the fifth wicket fell at 745 - something like "I'm the man for this crisis". Surrey then lost four wickets for 35 runs to go from 785-5 to 820-9.
Durham have reached stumps a mere 769 runs behind.
Yes, it's very much proven that English bowlers are rubbish with the Kookaburra.
The lowest first innings score was Lancashire's 367 out of nine matches. Besides Surrey's 820/9 there was also Worcs 679/7, Kent 566/8, Middlesex 534 and Warks 415.
The Kookaburra ball makes for poor matches.
Great matches need great bowlers even more than batters. It was the one thing missing from the very good India test last week - three or four world class bowlers.
Trump's America tying itself to the albatross of fossil fuels as China advances at pace into the middle 21st century:
Chris Murphy 🟧
@ChrisMurphyCT Ok, so Republicans just introduced a 900 page bill none of them have read. But my team is going through it line by line and on this 🧵you can see the hidden provisions we found. Will update all day.
Chris Murphy 🟧
@ChrisMurphyCT · 2h 2/ It was bad enough they cut all the tax incentives for wind and solar energy - they added a NEW TAX on these projects to make sure America never builds any new renewables.
Remember, Trump promised the oil industry provisions like this in exchange for a $1B campaign donation.
Our politicans pat themselves on the back for getting up to 75% at times of our lecky from the wind. Job done.
But that wind and solar has a lifespan of c. 30 years. Some of it is a chunk of the way through its lifespan. Its all going to need replacing - from the ground up. And all the supply contracts will need renegotiating.
And they'll have the government of the day over a (non-hydrocarbon) barrel.
Trump's America tying itself to the albatross of fossil fuels as China advances at pace into the middle 21st century:
Chris Murphy 🟧
@ChrisMurphyCT Ok, so Republicans just introduced a 900 page bill none of them have read. But my team is going through it line by line and on this 🧵you can see the hidden provisions we found. Will update all day.
Chris Murphy 🟧
@ChrisMurphyCT · 2h 2/ It was bad enough they cut all the tax incentives for wind and solar energy - they added a NEW TAX on these projects to make sure America never builds any new renewables.
Remember, Trump promised the oil industry provisions like this in exchange for a $1B campaign donation.
Our politicans pat themselves on the back for getting up to 75% at times of our lecky from the wind. Job done.
But that wind and solar has a lifespan of c. 30 years. Some of it is a chunk of the way through its lifespan. Its all going to need replacing - from the ground up. And all the supply contracts will need renegotiating.
And they'll have the government of the day over a (non-hydrocarbon) barrel.
I'd never heard of Bob Vylan until yesterday, or Kneecap until a couple of weeks ago, but they must be loving all the publicity. Starmer, Nandy and others would have been well advised to totally ignore the furore whipped up, rather than contributing to it. Politicians don't have to give an opinion on everything. It really is nothing new for popular musicians to be subversive and controversial, and it really shouldn't be a matter for the criminal law. Best ignored.
Perhaps in future less of my much resented licence fee will go towards Glastonbury jollies for BBC presenters.
If enough people watch Glastonbury why shouldn't the BBC cover it, notwithstanding Bob Vylan (whoever they might be).
My big beef with the BBC is as some third rate reporter gets bumped up to lunchtime news presenter their salary rises to £250,000.
Mind you the BBC does have an effective salary structure for minions. A bit over minimum wage and contract renewal with a few weeks break every six months to unhitch any continuity benefits.
Is anyone saying they shouldn't cover it? Or are people just questioning why they feel they need so many to cover it....surely a reporter a cameraman and a sound person should suffice for the entire festival....not a couple of hundred
The BBC was not covering Glastonbury as a news item, it was broadcasting it. Of course that needed lots of people.
They needed reportedly 0.2% of the audience to be bbc employees to broadcast it...sorry even if broadcasting I don't see you need 400 staff there
The issue with this is the same as when people criticise their news coverage. There used to be a program (News watch?) where a talking beeboid would say 'we think we got it about right' whenever challenged. Of course the been thinking they need 400 staff, and it's definitely not a jolly for any of them...
Also noticeable they weren't itemising why they needed so many just justifying it by at one point we had 15 million and averaged 5.7 million....they probably get 5.7 million for strictly without needing 400 staff
What is your back-of-envelope guess as to how many staff the BBC needs for Glastonbury? Remember to account for camera and sound engineering, lighting, presenters, and multiply by however many stages they broadcast and maybe double it depending how long each day was.
Come to think of it, how many people do you think are needed for Strictly? Compare it with the number of credits at the end of the programme, then add various craft positions.
Trump's America tying itself to the albatross of fossil fuels as China advances at pace into the middle 21st century:
Chris Murphy 🟧
@ChrisMurphyCT Ok, so Republicans just introduced a 900 page bill none of them have read. But my team is going through it line by line and on this 🧵you can see the hidden provisions we found. Will update all day.
Chris Murphy 🟧
@ChrisMurphyCT · 2h 2/ It was bad enough they cut all the tax incentives for wind and solar energy - they added a NEW TAX on these projects to make sure America never builds any new renewables.
Remember, Trump promised the oil industry provisions like this in exchange for a $1B campaign donation.
Our politicans pat themselves on the back for getting up to 75% at times of our lecky from the wind. Job done.
But that wind and solar has a lifespan of c. 30 years. Some of it is a chunk of the way through its lifespan. Its all going to need replacing - from the ground up. And all the supply contracts will need renegotiating.
And they'll have the government of the day over a (non-hydrocarbon) barrel.
Trump's America tying itself to the albatross of fossil fuels as China advances at pace into the middle 21st century:
Chris Murphy 🟧
@ChrisMurphyCT Ok, so Republicans just introduced a 900 page bill none of them have read. But my team is going through it line by line and on this 🧵you can see the hidden provisions we found. Will update all day.
Chris Murphy 🟧
@ChrisMurphyCT · 2h 2/ It was bad enough they cut all the tax incentives for wind and solar energy - they added a NEW TAX on these projects to make sure America never builds any new renewables.
Remember, Trump promised the oil industry provisions like this in exchange for a $1B campaign donation.
Our politicans pat themselves on the back for getting up to 75% at times of our lecky from the wind. Job done.
But that wind and solar has a lifespan of c. 30 years. Some of it is a chunk of the way through its lifespan. Its all going to need replacing - from the ground up. And all the supply contracts will need renegotiating.
And they'll have the government of the day over a (non-hydrocarbon) barrel.
Rather that than the Russians and the Iranians.
Or the Scots?
You're arguing that England should revert to coal because otherwise John Swinney will be able to turn the lights off?
Trump's America tying itself to the albatross of fossil fuels as China advances at pace into the middle 21st century:
Chris Murphy 🟧
@ChrisMurphyCT Ok, so Republicans just introduced a 900 page bill none of them have read. But my team is going through it line by line and on this 🧵you can see the hidden provisions we found. Will update all day.
Chris Murphy 🟧
@ChrisMurphyCT · 2h 2/ It was bad enough they cut all the tax incentives for wind and solar energy - they added a NEW TAX on these projects to make sure America never builds any new renewables.
Remember, Trump promised the oil industry provisions like this in exchange for a $1B campaign donation.
Our politicans pat themselves on the back for getting up to 75% at times of our lecky from the wind. Job done.
But that wind and solar has a lifespan of c. 30 years. Some of it is a chunk of the way through its lifespan. Its all going to need replacing - from the ground up. And all the supply contracts will need renegotiating.
And they'll have the government of the day over a (non-hydrocarbon) barrel.
Yes. It's f***ing shit. And the mendacious shysters who promote it need to be called out for the country-wreckers they are.
“Kill the IDF” and “fuck the British” rappers Bob Vylan have had their visas revoked and can’t tour the USA. They have also been abandoned by agents and management.
Go woke, go broke
I’m all for free speech and I’m also all for capitalism teaching stiff lessons to hateful morons
I wonder if Glasto will ever quite recover from this
It's funny how the free speech zealots in America are cancelling or declining to issue so many visas over hurty words.
Writing as someone who watched precisely none of the Glastonbury coverage, I'd not miss it if it were gone but am puzzled why the BBC did not simply put a short delay on the feed.
What happened to the other lot? Kneecap, was it? Did they go ahead? Were they miffed at being upstaged by these newcomers?
DJL's 17th law of life. If you set out to be offensive, be aware that you might succeed.
I have no support for the current authoritarian kleptocracy in the USA at all; but as a supporter of free speech (as I can best understand it - see PB debates passim) I don't think there is any relationship between the idea of the right to free speech (excellent) and the idea of the right to free speech without personal consequences (entirely meaningless).
You have a right to free speech; I have a right to act in response to what it is you say. And vice versa.
Tolerance of free speech is not remotely the same as respect for opinions uttered.
Yes, but is it constitutional for the US executive to cancel visas on the basis of political expression which is perfectly legal - and constitutionally protected - in the US ?
I think they will make the case that all visas are issued solely at the discretion of the executive. So, they can do this,
It is however staggeringly hypocritical to do this while threatening European officials over their insufficient commitment to free speech.
Which is really the original point being made.
It's quite strange.
GB News are demanding that they be treated just the same as Lucy Connolly, and charged.
I thought the idea was that LC had been treated unjustly and must be released.
Trump's America tying itself to the albatross of fossil fuels as China advances at pace into the middle 21st century:
Chris Murphy 🟧
@ChrisMurphyCT Ok, so Republicans just introduced a 900 page bill none of them have read. But my team is going through it line by line and on this 🧵you can see the hidden provisions we found. Will update all day.
Chris Murphy 🟧
@ChrisMurphyCT · 2h 2/ It was bad enough they cut all the tax incentives for wind and solar energy - they added a NEW TAX on these projects to make sure America never builds any new renewables.
Remember, Trump promised the oil industry provisions like this in exchange for a $1B campaign donation.
"Food delivery apps to tighten checks to stop illegal workers"
Why aren't these scams (c.f the Romanian fake student loans earlier this year) dealt with as they develop, rather than only after they've burgeoned? Especially when primary legislation is note required.
"Food delivery apps to tighten checks to stop illegal workers"
Why aren't these scams (c.f the Romanian fake student loans earlier this year) dealt with as they develop, rather than only after they've burgeoned? Especially when primary legislation is note required.
They should have been threatening the bosses of those companies with prison terms under whatever legislation they could find.
Trump's America tying itself to the albatross of fossil fuels as China advances at pace into the middle 21st century:
Chris Murphy 🟧
@ChrisMurphyCT Ok, so Republicans just introduced a 900 page bill none of them have read. But my team is going through it line by line and on this 🧵you can see the hidden provisions we found. Will update all day.
Chris Murphy 🟧
@ChrisMurphyCT · 2h 2/ It was bad enough they cut all the tax incentives for wind and solar energy - they added a NEW TAX on these projects to make sure America never builds any new renewables.
Remember, Trump promised the oil industry provisions like this in exchange for a $1B campaign donation.
Our politicans pat themselves on the back for getting up to 75% at times of our lecky from the wind. Job done.
But that wind and solar has a lifespan of c. 30 years. Some of it is a chunk of the way through its lifespan. Its all going to need replacing - from the ground up. And all the supply contracts will need renegotiating.
And they'll have the government of the day over a (non-hydrocarbon) barrel.
Yes. It's f***ing shit. And the mendacious shysters who promote it need to be called out for the country-wreckers they are.
Your climate change denial is still moronic
Our climate change policy adds to net world carbon by choosing tankers of foreign LNG over lower carbon North sea oil. That is moronic - it literally has no value except to f**k the country over. Naturally you support it because you have the capacity for independent thought of a breezeblock and you need to wait for Sir Useless to make a speech before you can have an opinion.
Trump's America tying itself to the albatross of fossil fuels as China advances at pace into the middle 21st century:
Chris Murphy 🟧
@ChrisMurphyCT Ok, so Republicans just introduced a 900 page bill none of them have read. But my team is going through it line by line and on this 🧵you can see the hidden provisions we found. Will update all day.
Chris Murphy 🟧
@ChrisMurphyCT · 2h 2/ It was bad enough they cut all the tax incentives for wind and solar energy - they added a NEW TAX on these projects to make sure America never builds any new renewables.
Remember, Trump promised the oil industry provisions like this in exchange for a $1B campaign donation.
What - go backward and penalise solar and increase our use of expensive oil and gas for electricity?
Oil and gas isn't more expensive - show us the relative strike prices. You can't, because it isn't.
'Go backward' is an utterly meaningless value judgement.
Solar panels are dirt cheap, but the strike price of solar was raised recently, and many businesses are being forced to purchase renewable energy - why exactly should those making a great deal of money this way be immune from tax rises? Should anything with green in the title be a licence to print money?
Yet companies complain our energy is some of the most in the world. And the retail price of electricity is based on what gas turbines can generate because those are the things that can stop and start at a moments notice...
Edit to add I'm sure @rcs1000 will be along later to show the error of your and Trump's ways.
"Food delivery apps to tighten checks to stop illegal workers"
Why aren't these scams (c.f the Romanian fake student loans earlier this year) dealt with as they develop, rather than only after they've burgeoned? Especially when primary legislation is note required.
Because now it is got so out of control they can't ignore it?
“Kill the IDF” and “fuck the British” rappers Bob Vylan have had their visas revoked and can’t tour the USA. They have also been abandoned by agents and management.
Go woke, go broke
I’m all for free speech and I’m also all for capitalism teaching stiff lessons to hateful morons
I wonder if Glasto will ever quite recover from this
It's funny how the free speech zealots in America are cancelling or declining to issue so many visas over hurty words.
Writing as someone who watched precisely none of the Glastonbury coverage, I'd not miss it if it were gone but am puzzled why the BBC did not simply put a short delay on the feed.
What happened to the other lot? Kneecap, was it? Did they go ahead? Were they miffed at being upstaged by these newcomers?
DJL's 17th law of life. If you set out to be offensive, be aware that you might succeed.
I have no support for the current authoritarian kleptocracy in the USA at all; but as a supporter of free speech (as I can best understand it - see PB debates passim) I don't think there is any relationship between the idea of the right to free speech (excellent) and the idea of the right to free speech without personal consequences (entirely meaningless).
You have a right to free speech; I have a right to act in response to what it is you say. And vice versa.
Tolerance of free speech is not remotely the same as respect for opinions uttered.
Yes, but is it constitutional for the US executive to cancel visas on the basis of political expression which is perfectly legal - and constitutionally protected - in the US ?
I think they will make the case that all visas are issued solely at the discretion of the executive. So, they can do this,
It is however staggeringly hypocritical to do this while threatening European officials over their insufficient commitment to free speech.
Which is really the original point being made.
It's quite strange.
GB News are demanding that they be treated just the same as Lucy Connolly, and charged.
I thought the idea was that LC had been treated unjustly and must be released.
Do rappers at Glasto not get free speech?
The irony is that I think GB News are complaining about him saying something he very carefully didn't actually say..
On the one hand I kind of admire those so motivated that they want to start their own political party. I felt very similarly as a University student nearly 45 years ago when I was a founder member of the SDP. We believed then that none of the current parties had the answer to Britain's problems. We needed some Thatcherite (or at least orange book) economics combined with some compassion that the Tories seemed to have mislaid.
But these new parties seem to turn on egos rather than ideas. On who has the "truth" rather than looking for consensus and a way forward. And even the SDP, with the genius of Roy Jenkins, David Owen, Shirley Williams and Bill...err, Rodgers did not succeed. Any one of the first 3 would be an absolute titan in modern politics.
I was an enthusiastic Liberal activist when the SDP was born. It was my experience in my area the new SDP members were from two different points of origin. One were ex-Labour, whether supporters of Jenkins, Owen, Rogers or Williams who had never disliked the Liberals or given us much thought. The other group were new to politics - usually ex-Conservative voters who liked Heath and loathed Thatcher.
I've often argued those who would have happily supported the SDP in January and February 1982 ran back to the Conservatives when the Falklands Conflict started. The Falklands saved Labour by ensuring Foot would remain LOTO no matter how severe the defeat inflicted by Thatcher which itself ensured when the pendulum swung back a decade later, it would be Labour which would be the credible alternative Government.
Kemi Badenoch doesn't have that advantage - the "credible alternative Government" looks like Nigel Farage and Reform even though the Parliamentary arithemtic currnetly states otherwise. The polls are giving Farage the keys to No.10 much as they once did Roy Jenkins but that's only now and whether we like it or not, we are still a long way from an election.
I was a soft Tory who came to the SDP but I was very much in the minority, certainly up here. Most were people who had fallen out with the establishment in the Labour Party and expected to be in control. I don't think I ever voted for Maggie. It was 1992 by the time I went back to the Tories.
My county provided the only Tory MP defector to the SDP - Chris Brocklebank-Fowler in NW Norfolk, ousted by Henry Bellingham in 1983
There's a great story behind that defection. The SDP were desperate for a Tory defector. REALLY desperate...
Not all the players are yet dead - so I will leave it at that.
Trump's America tying itself to the albatross of fossil fuels as China advances at pace into the middle 21st century:
Chris Murphy 🟧
@ChrisMurphyCT Ok, so Republicans just introduced a 900 page bill none of them have read. But my team is going through it line by line and on this 🧵you can see the hidden provisions we found. Will update all day.
Chris Murphy 🟧
@ChrisMurphyCT · 2h 2/ It was bad enough they cut all the tax incentives for wind and solar energy - they added a NEW TAX on these projects to make sure America never builds any new renewables.
Remember, Trump promised the oil industry provisions like this in exchange for a $1B campaign donation.
What - go backward and penalise solar and increase our use of expensive oil and gas for electricity?
Oil and gas isn't more expensive - show us the relative strike prices. You can't, because it isn't.
'Go backward' is an utterly meaningless value judgement.
Solar panels are dirt cheap, but the strike price of solar was raised recently, and many businesses are being forced to purchase renewable energy - why exactly should those making a great deal of money this way be immune from tax rises? Should anything with green in the title be a licence to print money?
Yet companies complain our energy is some of the most in the world. And the retail price of electricity is based on what gas turbines can generate because those are the things that can stop and start at a moments notice...
Edit to add I'm sure @rcs1000 will be along later to show the error of your and Trump's ways.
Trump's America tying itself to the albatross of fossil fuels as China advances at pace into the middle 21st century:
Chris Murphy 🟧
@ChrisMurphyCT Ok, so Republicans just introduced a 900 page bill none of them have read. But my team is going through it line by line and on this 🧵you can see the hidden provisions we found. Will update all day.
Chris Murphy 🟧
@ChrisMurphyCT · 2h 2/ It was bad enough they cut all the tax incentives for wind and solar energy - they added a NEW TAX on these projects to make sure America never builds any new renewables.
Remember, Trump promised the oil industry provisions like this in exchange for a $1B campaign donation.
Our politicans pat themselves on the back for getting up to 75% at times of our lecky from the wind. Job done.
But that wind and solar has a lifespan of c. 30 years. Some of it is a chunk of the way through its lifespan. Its all going to need replacing - from the ground up. And all the supply contracts will need renegotiating.
And they'll have the government of the day over a (non-hydrocarbon) barrel.
Yes. It's f***ing shit. And the mendacious shysters who promote it need to be called out for the country-wreckers they are.
Your climate change denial is still moronic
Our climate change policy adds to net world carbon by choosing tankers of foreign LNG over lower carbon North sea oil. That is moronic - it literally has no value except to f**k the country over. Naturally you support it because you have the capacity for independent thought of a breezeblock and you need to wait for Sir Useless to make a speech before you can have an opinion.
Maybe so, but your climate change denial is still moronic.
Obviously the future position is no foreign LNG and no north sea oil for energy.
I'd never heard of Bob Vylan until yesterday, or Kneecap until a couple of weeks ago, but they must be loving all the publicity. Starmer, Nandy and others would have been well advised to totally ignore the furore whipped up, rather than contributing to it. Politicians don't have to give an opinion on everything. It really is nothing new for popular musicians to be subversive and controversial, and it really shouldn't be a matter for the criminal law. Best ignored.
How on earth can any government ignore a situation that has created furore across the political spectrum and now involves a criminal investigation
Kneecap have been in the news for sometime and I doubt either group are enjoying the loss of income and prohibited from performing in the US
Because it's no business of governments, that's how. Similarly, I wouldn't want my government expressing a view on films, plays, art or any other cultural artefact that provokes 'outrage'. Leave it to the critics and the audiences.
Politics doesn't work that way
You seem to want to wish it away and, frankly, I think the government have handled it well and properly
I'm not wishing it away. I don't care about Glastonbury, or what went on there. I genuinely believe that governments, of any stripe, have much more important and pressing matters than a few inane chants at a music festival.
Starmer, rightly in my view, accuses Badenoch of being 'unserious'. I would argue that Starmer himself is being 'unserious' in getting embroiled in a trivial Glastonbury controversy.
I can't imagine Andrew Kerr, Arabella Churchill, Michael Eavis and Thomas Crimble would ever have thought their festival could ever have caused so.much controversy, when they organised the first proper, large-scale Glastonbury Fair in 1971.
It was a free, gentle event of "cosmic significance" where the Pyramid Stage was lined up with Glastonbury Tor, and even Richard Branson can be seen there in the film , helping out for free.
Glasto made an odd call in censoring Rod. He said something pro Ukraine then called for less violence in the world as he went into a cover of Love Train by the O'Jays. Got snipped for his trouble.
Seems a bit harsh just for that.
There are, of course, other reasons to think that particular procedure might be sensible in his case.
Doesn't appear like a Season 3 anytime soon. The main actress have been busy having children and as far as I can tell nothing have been arranged to film.
"Food delivery apps to tighten checks to stop illegal workers"
Why aren't these scams (c.f the Romanian fake student loans earlier this year) dealt with as they develop, rather than only after they've burgeoned? Especially when primary legislation is note required.
Because now it is got so out of control they can't ignore it?
I've heard of multiple people online who have had their NI numbers used without their consent - only discovering recently when HMRC presented them with large tax bills for unpaid tax in 2024/25.
I find it ironic that Bob Vylan, who seems to have an antipathy to Jews and White people should take his name from a white, Jewish musician (who won a Noble prize for literature).
Bob Vylan is a band name for a duo, not an individual. Despite the name, they've said they're not big Dylan fans.
Glasto made an odd call in censoring Rod. He said something pro Ukraine then called for less violence in the world as he went into a cover of Love Train by the O'Jays. Got snipped for his trouble.
Pity they didn't censor his singing... This outburst of free speech by feckless youths appears to given conniptions to the very people who are adamant this apathetic younger generation want to close down alternative opinions. Well I never.
Yes he wasn't great. The contrast with Olivia Rodrigo was stark.
Biggest Glasto fail imo? - absence of Neil Young on iplayer '30 days to watch'. I planned to watch it that way. Stuffed.
Neil young refused to give the BBC broadcast rights.
Pulp did the same at TRNSMT in Glasgow back in 2023 - it's the band's decision as to whether to accept the relatively token payment the BBC offers.
Yes that's what I thought. It nearly didn't get shown at all.
Anyway, upshot - I don't get to see it. Kicking myself for not recording.
Just have to watch Nile Rodgers and Chic instead...
Nile was great.
Rod's first cut was indeed the deepest of disappointments. Mind you Maggie May was fifty years too late for both of them too.
Rod's voice has been shot for ages. But a bout of 'flu didn't help.
Plus - perhaps because of the above - he was incredibly nervous at the start of his set.
I suspect The First Cut is the Deepest has a range requirement beyond the octogenarian Rod. Although he never had the range of PP Arnold, Sheryl Crow or for that matter Cat Stevens.
Tonight's the Night was much better, although an 80 year old singing about a girl losing her virginity with him was probably best left off the setlist.
I find it ironic that Bob Vylan, who seems to have an antipathy to Jews and White people should take his name from a white, Jewish musician (who won a Noble prize for literature).
Bob Vylan is a band name for a duo, not an individual. Despite the name, they've said they're not big Dylan fans.
I am not sure he would be much of a fan of theirs.
Trump's America tying itself to the albatross of fossil fuels as China advances at pace into the middle 21st century:
Chris Murphy 🟧
@ChrisMurphyCT Ok, so Republicans just introduced a 900 page bill none of them have read. But my team is going through it line by line and on this 🧵you can see the hidden provisions we found. Will update all day.
Chris Murphy 🟧
@ChrisMurphyCT · 2h 2/ It was bad enough they cut all the tax incentives for wind and solar energy - they added a NEW TAX on these projects to make sure America never builds any new renewables.
Remember, Trump promised the oil industry provisions like this in exchange for a $1B campaign donation.
Our politicans pat themselves on the back for getting up to 75% at times of our lecky from the wind. Job done.
But that wind and solar has a lifespan of c. 30 years. Some of it is a chunk of the way through its lifespan. Its all going to need replacing - from the ground up. And all the supply contracts will need renegotiating.
And they'll have the government of the day over a (non-hydrocarbon) barrel.
Yes. It's f***ing shit. And the mendacious shysters who promote it need to be called out for the country-wreckers they are.
Your climate change denial is still moronic
Our climate change policy adds to net world carbon by choosing tankers of foreign LNG over lower carbon North sea oil. That is moronic - it literally has no value except to f**k the country over. Naturally you support it because you have the capacity for independent thought of a breezeblock and you need to wait for Sir Useless to make a speech before you can have an opinion.
Maybe so, but your climate change denial is still moronic.
Obviously the future position is no foreign LNG and no north sea oil for energy.
No it isn't, Gas is baked into our system for backup generation, so it is needed, and we choose higher carbon foreign imports over domestically produced energy which releases less carbon.
Learn to think for yourself, then maybe you won't be humiliated by agreeing with Sir Deportation that migrants should all go home only to have him apologise for making such an awful speech a month later.
Trump's America tying itself to the albatross of fossil fuels as China advances at pace into the middle 21st century:
Chris Murphy 🟧
@ChrisMurphyCT Ok, so Republicans just introduced a 900 page bill none of them have read. But my team is going through it line by line and on this 🧵you can see the hidden provisions we found. Will update all day.
Chris Murphy 🟧
@ChrisMurphyCT · 2h 2/ It was bad enough they cut all the tax incentives for wind and solar energy - they added a NEW TAX on these projects to make sure America never builds any new renewables.
Remember, Trump promised the oil industry provisions like this in exchange for a $1B campaign donation.
What - go backward and penalise solar and increase our use of expensive oil and gas for electricity?
Oil and gas isn't more expensive - show us the relative strike prices. You can't, because it isn't.
'Go backward' is an utterly meaningless value judgement.
Solar panels are dirt cheap, but the strike price of solar was raised recently, and many businesses are being forced to purchase renewable energy - why exactly should those making a great deal of money this way be immune from tax rises? Should anything with green in the title be a licence to print money?
Yet companies complain our energy is some of the most in the world. And the retail price of electricity is based on what gas turbines can generate because those are the things that can stop and start at a moments notice...
Edit to add I'm sure @rcs1000 will be along later to show the error of your and Trump's ways.
Oh look, no strike prices.
Read https://www.sustainabilitybynumbers.com/p/electricity-pricing and get back to me when you understand how marginal pricing systems works and the fact that 98% of the time the marginal price of electricity in the UK is based on the wholesale gas price.
Trump's America tying itself to the albatross of fossil fuels as China advances at pace into the middle 21st century:
Chris Murphy 🟧
@ChrisMurphyCT Ok, so Republicans just introduced a 900 page bill none of them have read. But my team is going through it line by line and on this 🧵you can see the hidden provisions we found. Will update all day.
Chris Murphy 🟧
@ChrisMurphyCT · 2h 2/ It was bad enough they cut all the tax incentives for wind and solar energy - they added a NEW TAX on these projects to make sure America never builds any new renewables.
Remember, Trump promised the oil industry provisions like this in exchange for a $1B campaign donation.
Our politicans pat themselves on the back for getting up to 75% at times of our lecky from the wind. Job done.
But that wind and solar has a lifespan of c. 30 years. Some of it is a chunk of the way through its lifespan. Its all going to need replacing - from the ground up. And all the supply contracts will need renegotiating.
And they'll have the government of the day over a (non-hydrocarbon) barrel.
Yes. It's f***ing shit. And the mendacious shysters who promote it need to be called out for the country-wreckers they are.
Your climate change denial is still moronic
Our climate change policy adds to net world carbon by choosing tankers of foreign LNG over lower carbon North sea oil. That is moronic - it literally has no value except to f**k the country over. Naturally you support it because you have the capacity for independent thought of a breezeblock and you need to wait for Sir Useless to make a speech before you can have an opinion.
Oil hasn't been a significant source of electricity in the UK since the 80s. Even then it was relatively small.
Unless you actually want to put us all on heating oil?
Trump's America tying itself to the albatross of fossil fuels as China advances at pace into the middle 21st century:
Chris Murphy 🟧
@ChrisMurphyCT Ok, so Republicans just introduced a 900 page bill none of them have read. But my team is going through it line by line and on this 🧵you can see the hidden provisions we found. Will update all day.
Chris Murphy 🟧
@ChrisMurphyCT · 2h 2/ It was bad enough they cut all the tax incentives for wind and solar energy - they added a NEW TAX on these projects to make sure America never builds any new renewables.
Remember, Trump promised the oil industry provisions like this in exchange for a $1B campaign donation.
Our politicans pat themselves on the back for getting up to 75% at times of our lecky from the wind. Job done.
But that wind and solar has a lifespan of c. 30 years. Some of it is a chunk of the way through its lifespan. Its all going to need replacing - from the ground up. And all the supply contracts will need renegotiating.
And they'll have the government of the day over a (non-hydrocarbon) barrel.
Yes. It's f***ing shit. And the mendacious shysters who promote it need to be called out for the country-wreckers they are.
Your climate change denial is still moronic
Our climate change policy adds to net world carbon by choosing tankers of foreign LNG over lower carbon North sea oil. That is moronic - it literally has no value except to f**k the country over. Naturally you support it because you have the capacity for independent thought of a breezeblock and you need to wait for Sir Useless to make a speech before you can have an opinion.
Maybe so, but your climate change denial is still moronic.
Obviously the future position is no foreign LNG and no north sea oil for energy.
No it isn't, Gas is baked into our system for backup generation, so it is needed, and we choose higher carbon foreign imports over domestically produced energy which releases less carbon.
Learn to think for yourself, then maybe you won't be humiliated by agreeing with Sir Deportation that migrants should all go home only to have him apologise for making such an awful speech a month later.
Gas is baked into our system at present, yes. The future will need it not to be.
Your last paragraph is so incorrect it’s laughable. I stand by my own opinions thank you very much.
A good news story. Barriers removed from "Heaton Mersey Common". I'm taking it that this is an early review in the Greater Manchester initiative to review hundreds and hundreds of them.
Interesting comments on illegal e-moped users being careful, even though the police have not yet got to grips with enforcement. I see a few in my are (1-2 a day), and they are generally considerate and sensible, though I'd prefer them gone.
Heaton Mersey Common barrier removal and surface upgrades, with 6 before and 6 after photos
Hopefully that'll deep-link to comments about polite e-motorbike users, which is generally the case for me a few miles away - paths got busier over lockdown, they've been challenged and realised what's best for themselves, so now they generally give people plenty of room.
The Devil’s Throat. Deep in the Rhodope Mountains in Thrace. This is where Orpheus - a Thracian - went down to save Eurydice from the Underworld, and then turned back to look, casting her into eternal darkness
It is also a deeply strange and sinister cavern where a mighty river plunges deep into the rock and disappears. The cave system has never been properly explored - all caving was stopped 30 years ago when the bodies of two cavers were retrieved. Both had died from heart attack, no one knows why to this day
The river entering the pits of the earth creates a brilliantly noomy mist….
That was my set book for Latin O level - Orpheus and Eurydice.
Very good, but fiction of course.
One of my earliest cultural experiences was being taken as a kid to a production of the Offenbach opera. The can-can was quite the eye opener..
Just to recap on ab earlier post, Glastonbury was aiways political, but for its first 15 or 20 years particularly, it was generally agree pretty gentle business.
Trump's America tying itself to the albatross of fossil fuels as China advances at pace into the middle 21st century:
Chris Murphy 🟧
@ChrisMurphyCT Ok, so Republicans just introduced a 900 page bill none of them have read. But my team is going through it line by line and on this 🧵you can see the hidden provisions we found. Will update all day.
Chris Murphy 🟧
@ChrisMurphyCT · 2h 2/ It was bad enough they cut all the tax incentives for wind and solar energy - they added a NEW TAX on these projects to make sure America never builds any new renewables.
Remember, Trump promised the oil industry provisions like this in exchange for a $1B campaign donation.
Our politicans pat themselves on the back for getting up to 75% at times of our lecky from the wind. Job done.
But that wind and solar has a lifespan of c. 30 years. Some of it is a chunk of the way through its lifespan. Its all going to need replacing - from the ground up. And all the supply contracts will need renegotiating.
And they'll have the government of the day over a (non-hydrocarbon) barrel.
Yes. It's f***ing shit. And the mendacious shysters who promote it need to be called out for the country-wreckers they are.
Your climate change denial is still moronic
Our climate change policy adds to net world carbon by choosing tankers of foreign LNG over lower carbon North sea oil. That is moronic - it literally has no value except to f**k the country over. Naturally you support it because you have the capacity for independent thought of a breezeblock and you need to wait for Sir Useless to make a speech before you can have an opinion.
Maybe so, but your climate change denial is still moronic.
Obviously the future position is no foreign LNG and no north sea oil for energy.
Climate has been changing ever since the earth first formed.
I'd never heard of Bob Vylan until yesterday, or Kneecap until a couple of weeks ago, but they must be loving all the publicity. Starmer, Nandy and others would have been well advised to totally ignore the furore whipped up, rather than contributing to it. Politicians don't have to give an opinion on everything. It really is nothing new for popular musicians to be subversive and controversial, and it really shouldn't be a matter for the criminal law. Best ignored.
How on earth can any government ignore a situation that has created furore across the political spectrum and now involves a criminal investigation
Kneecap have been in the news for sometime and I doubt either group are enjoying the loss of income and prohibited from performing in the US
There are presumably hundreds of criminal investigations a day. The govt does not get involved in most of them.
Also, that a police investigation has been started means very little. If a lot of people make a fuss the police will look into something.
Trump's America tying itself to the albatross of fossil fuels as China advances at pace into the middle 21st century:
Chris Murphy 🟧
@ChrisMurphyCT Ok, so Republicans just introduced a 900 page bill none of them have read. But my team is going through it line by line and on this 🧵you can see the hidden provisions we found. Will update all day.
Chris Murphy 🟧
@ChrisMurphyCT · 2h 2/ It was bad enough they cut all the tax incentives for wind and solar energy - they added a NEW TAX on these projects to make sure America never builds any new renewables.
Remember, Trump promised the oil industry provisions like this in exchange for a $1B campaign donation.
Our politicans pat themselves on the back for getting up to 75% at times of our lecky from the wind. Job done.
But that wind and solar has a lifespan of c. 30 years. Some of it is a chunk of the way through its lifespan. Its all going to need replacing - from the ground up. And all the supply contracts will need renegotiating.
And they'll have the government of the day over a (non-hydrocarbon) barrel.
Yes. It's f***ing shit. And the mendacious shysters who promote it need to be called out for the country-wreckers they are.
Your climate change denial is still moronic
Our climate change policy adds to net world carbon by choosing tankers of foreign LNG over lower carbon North sea oil. That is moronic - it literally has no value except to f**k the country over. Naturally you support it because you have the capacity for independent thought of a breezeblock and you need to wait for Sir Useless to make a speech before you can have an opinion.
Maybe so, but your climate change denial is still moronic.
Obviously the future position is no foreign LNG and no north sea oil for energy.
Climate has been changing ever since the earth first formed.
I'd never heard of Bob Vylan until yesterday, or Kneecap until a couple of weeks ago, but they must be loving all the publicity. Starmer, Nandy and others would have been well advised to totally ignore the furore whipped up, rather than contributing to it. Politicians don't have to give an opinion on everything. It really is nothing new for popular musicians to be subversive and controversial, and it really shouldn't be a matter for the criminal law. Best ignored.
How on earth can any government ignore a situation that has created furore across the political spectrum and now involves a criminal investigation
Kneecap have been in the news for sometime and I doubt either group are enjoying the loss of income and prohibited from performing in the US
Because it's no business of governments, that's how. Similarly, I wouldn't want my government expressing a view on films, plays, art or any other cultural artefact that provokes 'outrage'. Leave it to the critics and the audiences.
But uk governments of all colours have done exactly that for decades...is the difference now you agree with the views being expressed? I mean what is it exactly you thing the british board of film censors does for example?
The BBFC is an industry body, not a governmental one.
“Kill the IDF” and “fuck the British” rappers Bob Vylan have had their visas revoked and can’t tour the USA. They have also been abandoned by agents and management.
Go woke, go broke
I’m all for free speech and I’m also all for capitalism teaching stiff lessons to hateful morons
I wonder if Glasto will ever quite recover from this
It's funny how the free speech zealots in America are cancelling or declining to issue so many visas over hurty words.
Writing as someone who watched precisely none of the Glastonbury coverage, I'd not miss it if it were gone but am puzzled why the BBC did not simply put a short delay on the feed.
What happened to the other lot? Kneecap, was it? Did they go ahead? Were they miffed at being upstaged by these newcomers?
DJL's 17th law of life. If you set out to be offensive, be aware that you might succeed.
I have no support for the current authoritarian kleptocracy in the USA at all; but as a supporter of free speech (as I can best understand it - see PB debates passim) I don't think there is any relationship between the idea of the right to free speech (excellent) and the idea of the right to free speech without personal consequences (entirely meaningless).
You have a right to free speech; I have a right to act in response to what it is you say. And vice versa.
Tolerance of free speech is not remotely the same as respect for opinions uttered.
Yes, but is it constitutional for the US executive to cancel visas on the basis of political expression which is perfectly legal - and constitutionally protected - in the US ?
I think they will make the case that all visas are issued solely at the discretion of the executive. So, they can do this,
It is however staggeringly hypocritical to do this while threatening European officials over their insufficient commitment to free speech.
Which is really the original point being made.
It's quite strange.
GB News are demanding that they be treated just the same as Lucy Connolly, and charged.
I thought the idea was that LC had been treated unjustly and must be released.
Do rappers at Glasto not get free speech?
I think we've established that Lucy Connolly and Bob Vylan are equal levels of unpleasant. I suppose the argument is "if you're going to get jailed for being unpleasant, let's not restrict it to right-wing unpleasant."
Personally I'd go with jailing neither rather than both. But I'd also prefer it if neither were afforded any particular cultural significance.
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The beeb covered some of the work required last week see https://www.bbc.com/mediacentre/behindtheheadlines/staffing
Not having a 7s delay which is absolutely normal for phone-in is very strange decision. A lot of live music coverage used to be more delayed than that, they used to pretend it was live but was often a fair bit behind.
Biggest Glasto fail imo? - absence of Neil Young on iplayer '30 days to watch'. I planned to watch it that way. Stuffed.
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Ok, so Republicans just introduced a 900 page bill none of them have read. But my team is going through it line by line and on this 🧵you can see the hidden provisions we found. Will update all day.
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2/ It was bad enough they cut all the tax incentives for wind and solar energy - they added a NEW TAX on these projects to make sure America never builds any new renewables.
Remember, Trump promised the oil industry provisions like this in exchange for a $1B campaign donation.
https://x.com/ChrisMurphyCT/status/1939702968409866471
My viewpoint is
1) the BBC doesn't pay much for the rights
2) it seems to pull massive audiences compared to most other things on TV.
If you want to bet in-running, the only place to do it is at the track live and you have an advantage as other pictures are sent with a fractional delay. I remember they used to have people on track who would be commenting on mobiles directly to in-running punters to tell them what was happening.
The Devil’s Throat. Deep in the Rhodope Mountains in Thrace. This is where Orpheus - a Thracian - went down to save Eurydice from the Underworld, and then turned back to look, casting her into eternal darkness
It is also a deeply strange and sinister cavern where a mighty river plunges deep into the rock and disappears. The cave system has never been properly explored - all caving was stopped 30 years ago when the bodies of two cavers were retrieved. Both had died from heart attack, no one knows why to this day
The river entering the pits of the earth creates a brilliantly noomy mist….
You seem to take the assumption that 1 camera is enough yet Pulp's recent tour had 6 cameramen just to provide shots for the screens on either side for those who had seats at the back..
We've got 40GW in the pipeline in Scotland alone - let's get it built now with ambitious young Americans.
Pulp did the same at TRNSMT in Glasgow back in 2023 - it's the band's decision as to whether to accept the relatively token payment the BBC offers.
Looking at the wickets, I can just imagine the reaction of the batsman sent out when the fifth wicket fell at 745 - something like "I'm the man for this crisis". Surrey then lost four wickets for 35 runs to go from 785-5 to 820-9.
Durham have reached stumps a mere 769 runs behind.
Anyway, upshot - I don't get to see it. Kicking myself for not recording.
Very good, but fiction of course.
At one point he wasn't going to play at all.
If so, or you have another, that's great !
Rod's first cut was indeed the deepest of disappointments. Mind you Maggie May was fifty years too late for both of them too.
Not all the players are yet dead - so I will leave it at that.
The IDF killed three British aid workers last year, for a start. What a mess.
Now the warmest part of the day. Should be another good night for the moths. Last night I had a first record for Devon of the Brown Scallop. Really underwhelming, and this was a very worn example - but hey, a record is a record. At least I will make the annual report!
The Kookaburra ball makes for poor matches.
'Go backward' is an utterly meaningless value judgement.
Solar panels are dirt cheap, but the strike price of solar was raised recently, and many businesses are being forced to purchase renewable energy - why exactly should those making a great deal of money this way be immune from tax rises? Should anything with green in the title be a licence to print money?
But that wind and solar has a lifespan of c. 30 years. Some of it is a chunk of the way through its lifespan. Its all going to need replacing - from the ground up. And all the supply contracts will need renegotiating.
And they'll have the government of the day over a (non-hydrocarbon) barrel.
Plus - perhaps because of the above - he was incredibly nervous at the start of his set.
Come to think of it, how many people do you think are needed for Strictly? Compare it with the number of credits at the end of the programme, then add various craft positions.
https://www.leighday.co.uk/news/news/2024-news/historic-supreme-court-judgment-rules-planning-permission-for-oil-production-at-horse-hill-surrey-is-unlawful-and-must-be-overturned/
Don't threaten me with a good time!
GB News are demanding that they be treated just the same as Lucy Connolly, and charged.
I thought the idea was that LC had been treated unjustly and must be released.
Do rappers at Glasto not get free speech?
Relentlessly bleak, right to the end
Superb, 9/10
Needs about another 48 labour or 96 abstainees
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c20rrdjvpexo
"Food delivery apps to tighten checks to stop illegal workers"
Why aren't these scams (c.f the Romanian fake student loans earlier this year) dealt with as they develop, rather than only after they've burgeoned? Especially when primary legislation is note required.
He seems to have:
1 - The Integrity Party.
2 - Restore Britain.
3 - The Advance UK Party.
I need a political anthropologist.
Edit to add I'm sure @rcs1000 will be along later to show the error of your and Trump's ways.
Obviously the future position is no foreign LNG and no north sea oil for energy.
It was a free, gentle event of "cosmic significance" where the Pyramid Stage was lined up with Glastonbury Tor, and even Richard Branson can be seen there in the film , helping out for free.
There are, of course, other reasons to think that particular procedure might be sensible in his case.
Tonight's the Night was much better, although an 80 year old singing about a girl losing her virginity with him was probably best left off the setlist.
Learn to think for yourself, then maybe you won't be humiliated by agreeing with Sir Deportation that migrants should all go home only to have him apologise for making such an awful speech a month later.
Unless you actually want to put us all on heating oil?
Your last paragraph is so incorrect it’s laughable. I stand by my own opinions thank you very much.
Interesting comments on illegal e-moped users being careful, even though the police have not yet got to grips with enforcement. I see a few in my are (1-2 a day), and they are generally considerate and sensible, though I'd prefer them gone.
Heaton Mersey Common barrier removal and surface upgrades, with 6 before and 6 after photos
https://www.reddit.com/r/manchester/comments/1lmmof8/comment/n0a3qp2/
Hopefully that'll deep-link to comments about polite e-motorbike users, which is generally the case for me a few miles away - paths got busier over lockdown, they've been challenged and realised what's best for themselves, so now they generally give people plenty of room.
The can-can was quite the eye opener..
Also, that a police investigation has been started means very little. If a lot of people make a fuss the police will look into something.
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/reform-uk-councillor-charged-with-assault-after-pride-event/ar-AA1HI2dE?ocid=msedgntp&pc=LCTS&cvid=7297fc1f5afb4ee983be015d68381bdb&ei=23
Personally I'd go with jailing neither rather than both. But I'd also prefer it if neither were afforded any particular cultural significance.