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Badenoch is entering Truss territory – politicalbetting.com

? David Cameron thinks Robert Jenrick should be the next Tory leader? Tory strategists say the best they can do is to try to salvage 80 seats ?Kemi’s vision for Britain: “the same but less crap”?Boris Johnson has a 5 point plan for his return https://t.co/gGmcQ46tc3

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  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 51,807
    edited 6:16AM
    First! From a sunny morning on Oslofjord
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 62,666
    Good morning, everyone.

    To be fair, while utterly failing at least she isn't damaging the economy by so doing.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 51,807
    Laying ‘replaced in 2025’ looks like a great bet, especially considering the likely extended timescale before any replacement is in post.
  • FairlieredFairliered Posts: 5,842
    Just like many Reform councillors are ex other parties, mostly, Conservative, it could be that an incoming Reform government would be formed of ex Conservative politicians, some with experience of power. That would remove the argument about a Reform government not having any previous parliamentary experience.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 39,075

    Just like many Reform councillors are ex other parties, mostly, Conservative, it could be that an incoming Reform government would be formed of ex Conservative politicians, some with experience of power. That would remove the argument about a Reform government not having any previous parliamentary experience.

    Except their 'experience of power' is that they were really, really bad at it
  • Peter_the_PunterPeter_the_Punter Posts: 14,774
    When I saw the pic I thought this was a thread about the boat people.

    Maybe it is.
  • UnpopularUnpopular Posts: 916

    Just like many Reform councillors are ex other parties, mostly, Conservative, it could be that an incoming Reform government would be formed of ex Conservative politicians, some with experience of power. That would remove the argument about a Reform government not having any previous parliamentary experience.

    Increasing numbers appear to be ex-Reform politicians too!
  • DopermeanDopermean Posts: 1,188
    edited 6:30AM
    I'll peel an onion. The rich wingnut donors that brought us Brexit and funded UKIP, Brexit and Reform whenever they wanted to drag the Conservatives further right before switching back for GEs, might have broken the Conservative party irreparably.
    Oops!!
    What do they do now? Merge it with Reform and wait a few years to start another populist right party or keep with the Farage party?
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 122,470

    When I saw the pic I thought this was a thread about the boat people.

    Maybe it is.

    It's an allusion to this, from the Spectator article.

    Nonetheless, shadow cabinet colleagues say both Chris Philp, the shadow home secretary, and Andrew Griffith, the shadow business secretary, are eyeing Stride’s perch.

    ‘Neither is right for it,’ says a fellow frontbencher. ‘Angling for positions in the shadow cabinet right now is like applying for a promotion on the Titanic.’

  • DopermeanDopermean Posts: 1,188
    IanB2 said:

    Laying ‘replaced in 2025’ looks like a great bet, especially considering the likely extended timescale before any replacement is in post.

    Betfair market is "permanent replacement" so laying '25 is a solid bet, returns are low now though.
    Same with laying '29 or later for Badenoch replacement, was a 30% return.
  • GallowgateGallowgate Posts: 20,597
    I have to say that two tier benefits is really shit. Who on earth thought that was a good idea?
  • BattlebusBattlebus Posts: 1,021
    IanB2 said:

    First! From a sunny morning on Oslofjord

    How was the trip? On my Scandinavian ferry crossing (Stockholm-Helsinki) with a bunch of Scandinavians, I was told the only purpose was to get drunk. A reaction to the high taxes on alcohol there. The Finns were finished by the end of the trip.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 31,368
    What's the Kremlinology here? Michael Gove levers Kemi into the leadership, becomes Spectator editor, lures Shippers away from the Times, and runs a story that Kemi might be for the chop.
  • BattlebusBattlebus Posts: 1,021
    A political point, if I may?

    Boris seemed to fail to use his huge majority and Starmer looks to be going the same way. Is it poor party management or the fault of the media.

    How large a majority do you need to get anything done when the media fawns over a party with *checks notes* only 5 MPs.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 51,807

    Just like many Reform councillors are ex other parties, mostly, Conservative, it could be that an incoming Reform government would be formed of ex Conservative politicians, some with experience of power. That would remove the argument about a Reform government not having any previous parliamentary experience.

    but also the one about trying something new given that the major parties have all failed.
  • BattlebusBattlebus Posts: 1,021

    I have to say that two tier benefits is really shit. Who on earth thought that was a good idea?

    Happens all the time and will be challenged. It's why all the Social Security legislation (since 1911) is a bit of a mess.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 63,614

    I have to say that two tier benefits is really shit. Who on earth thought that was a good idea?

    Two Tier Keir
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 122,470
    edited 6:47AM

    What's the Kremlinology here? Michael Gove levers Kemi into the leadership, becomes Spectator editor, lures Shippers away from the Times, and runs a story that Kemi might be for the chop.

    That Dave (pbuh) thinks Jenrick should lead the Tories at the next election, that's a biggie, especially as Dave has been helping Kemi at PMQs.

    Coincidentally Gove admits to being a duplicitous snake in today's Times.

    What [Gove] regrets now, he says, is being “insufficiently clear” to Cameron that he would campaign for Leave.

    https://www.thetimes.com/uk/politics/article/michael-gove-camerons-divorce-sarah-vine-depression-dvcpbqm8n
  • GallowgateGallowgate Posts: 20,597

    I have to say that two tier benefits is really shit. Who on earth thought that was a good idea?

    Two Tier Keir
    It’s a classic case of pulling the ladder up behind you which governments have been doing my whole adult life. Terrible.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 51,807
    Battlebus said:

    IanB2 said:

    First! From a sunny morning on Oslofjord

    How was the trip? On my Scandinavian ferry crossing (Stockholm-Helsinki) with a bunch of Scandinavians, I was told the only purpose was to get drunk. A reaction to the high taxes on alcohol there. The Finns were finished by the end of the trip.
    Still an hour to go; this last bit up the fjord is very scenic, and this large ferry is extraordinarily near to the coast and the rocky islands; the fjord must go straight down deep.

    For the number of cabins, the ship has a myriad of restaurants and bars; plenty of ways to get drunk. You have probably explained why, although alcohol prices on the ship aren’t particularly cheap. They’ve just done the tannoy announcement for those going straight back on the ship, which would be two nights on board with basically lunchtime ashore. So perhaps Scandi booze cruising is a thing, indeed.
  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 18,996

    What's the Kremlinology here? Michael Gove levers Kemi into the leadership, becomes Spectator editor, lures Shippers away from the Times, and runs a story that Kemi might be for the chop.

    That Dave (pbuh) thinks Jenrick should lead the Tories at the next election, that's a biggie, especially as Dave has been helping Kemi at PMQs.

    Coincidentally Gove admits to being duplicitous snake in today's Times.

    What [Gove] regrets now, he says, is being “insufficiently clear” to Cameron that he would campaign for Leave.

    https://www.thetimes.com/uk/politics/article/michael-gove-camerons-divorce-sarah-vine-depression-dvcpbqm8n
    Another data point for the "if the Oxbridge Unions really are a political nursery, Ofsted should close them down pronto" theory.

    Didn't join myself, but my understanding is that duplicitous snakery is how one succeeds in that sort of place.
  • TazTaz Posts: 19,262
    Battlebus said:

    A political point, if I may?

    Boris seemed to fail to use his huge majority and Starmer looks to be going the same way. Is it poor party management or the fault of the media.

    How large a majority do you need to get anything done when the media fawns over a party with *checks notes* only 5 MPs.

    It’s got to be poor party management. The media is the media. They know what it is like and they have to manage it.

    I didn’t know the Greens had 5 MPs 🤔
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 31,368

    What's the Kremlinology here? Michael Gove levers Kemi into the leadership, becomes Spectator editor, lures Shippers away from the Times, and runs a story that Kemi might be for the chop.

    That Dave (pbuh) thinks Jenrick should lead the Tories at the next election, that's a biggie, especially as Dave has been helping Kemi at PMQs.

    Coincidentally Gove admits to being duplicitous snake in today's Times.

    What [Gove] regrets now, he says, is being “insufficiently clear” to Cameron that he would campaign for Leave.

    https://www.thetimes.com/uk/politics/article/michael-gove-camerons-divorce-sarah-vine-depression-dvcpbqm8n
    Another data point for the "if the Oxbridge Unions really are a political nursery, Ofsted should close them down pronto" theory.

    Didn't join myself, but my understanding is that duplicitous snakery is how one succeeds in that sort of place.
    Boris wrote a chapter on it in The Oxford Myth.
  • TimSTimS Posts: 15,647
    edited 6:53AM
    Some very interesting local by-elections last night.

    Green win just down the road from me last night, in Shooter’s Hill.

    Green GAIN from Labour

    Shooters Hill (Greenwich) council by-election result:

    GRN: 34.8% (+19.7)
    LAB: 30.2% (-29.2)
    REF: 16.1% (+13.3)
    CON: 11.5% (-2.4)
    LDEM: 5.1% (-3.6)

    +/- 2022

    This and 2 other by-elections where the conservatives held their vote and Reform surged are examples of Reform taking votes directly from Labour.

    Shooter’s Hill is an interesting political area. There’s a cliff edge between one side of the hill and other, between solid left wing inner suburbs and solid right wing outer suburbs, between deep remain and convinced leave, and between diverse inner London and WWC. This ward is on the cusp, but mainly the inner London bit.

    The political border aligns almost perfectly with the border between Victorian/Edwardian and 1930s architecture.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 122,470

    What's the Kremlinology here? Michael Gove levers Kemi into the leadership, becomes Spectator editor, lures Shippers away from the Times, and runs a story that Kemi might be for the chop.

    That Dave (pbuh) thinks Jenrick should lead the Tories at the next election, that's a biggie, especially as Dave has been helping Kemi at PMQs.

    Coincidentally Gove admits to being duplicitous snake in today's Times.

    What [Gove] regrets now, he says, is being “insufficiently clear” to Cameron that he would campaign for Leave.

    https://www.thetimes.com/uk/politics/article/michael-gove-camerons-divorce-sarah-vine-depression-dvcpbqm8n
    Another data point for the "if the Oxbridge Unions really are a political nursery, Ofsted should close them down pronto" theory.

    Didn't join myself, but my understanding is that duplicitous snakery is how one succeeds in that sort of place.
    Same, as the old observation was, nobody stabs you in the back in the Union, they stab you in the front.
  • AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 25,891
    Scott_xP said:

    Just like many Reform councillors are ex other parties, mostly, Conservative, it could be that an incoming Reform government would be formed of ex Conservative politicians, some with experience of power. That would remove the argument about a Reform government not having any previous parliamentary experience.

    Except their 'experience of power' is that they were really, really bad at it
    Well that's David Cameron for you
  • AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 25,891

    What's the Kremlinology here? Michael Gove levers Kemi into the leadership, becomes Spectator editor, lures Shippers away from the Times, and runs a story that Kemi might be for the chop.

    That Dave (pbuh) thinks Jenrick should lead the Tories at the next election, that's a biggie, especially as Dave has been helping Kemi at PMQs.

    Coincidentally Gove admits to being a duplicitous snake in today's Times.

    What [Gove] regrets now, he says, is being “insufficiently clear” to Cameron that he would campaign for Leave.

    https://www.thetimes.com/uk/politics/article/michael-gove-camerons-divorce-sarah-vine-depression-dvcpbqm8n
    Cant figure why anyone would listen to Cameron, he destroyed the Conservatives.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 122,470

    What's the Kremlinology here? Michael Gove levers Kemi into the leadership, becomes Spectator editor, lures Shippers away from the Times, and runs a story that Kemi might be for the chop.

    That Dave (pbuh) thinks Jenrick should lead the Tories at the next election, that's a biggie, especially as Dave has been helping Kemi at PMQs.

    Coincidentally Gove admits to being a duplicitous snake in today's Times.

    What [Gove] regrets now, he says, is being “insufficiently clear” to Cameron that he would campaign for Leave.

    https://www.thetimes.com/uk/politics/article/michael-gove-camerons-divorce-sarah-vine-depression-dvcpbqm8n
    Cant figure why anyone would listen to Cameron, he destroyed the Conservatives.
    Nope, that was the Brexiteers, which even Gove privately admits.
  • CiceroCicero Posts: 3,569

    Scott_xP said:

    Just like many Reform councillors are ex other parties, mostly, Conservative, it could be that an incoming Reform government would be formed of ex Conservative politicians, some with experience of power. That would remove the argument about a Reform government not having any previous parliamentary experience.

    Except their 'experience of power' is that they were really, really bad at it
    Well that's David Cameron for you
    and May, Johnson, Truss, Sunak, Badenoch... not to mention Hague, Duncan Smith, Howard...

    This has been a long time coming.
  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 18,996
    Battlebus said:

    A political point, if I may?

    Boris seemed to fail to use his huge majority and Starmer looks to be going the same way. Is it poor party management or the fault of the media.

    How large a majority do you need to get anything done when the media fawns over a party with *checks notes* only 5 MPs.

    But the cowardice in the face of public moaning is deeper rooted than that. I suspect the issue is the way that the internet has made it so easy to nag individual MPs. Finding an envelope and a stamp was a meaningful barrier to complaining about policy X.

    Plus the general principle that we see ourselves as consumers who are always right. Even when our wishes are a contradictory mess. Starmer isn't the man to persuade us that we can't have something for nothing any more, but I'm not sure anyone else could. Particularly when someone is croaking from the sidelines that of course it's possible.
  • EabhalEabhal Posts: 11,103
    edited 7:01AM
    Battlebus said:

    A political point, if I may?

    Boris seemed to fail to use his huge majority and Starmer looks to be going the same way. Is it poor party management or the fault of the media.

    How large a majority do you need to get anything done when the media fawns over a party with *checks notes* only 5 MPs.

    At least Johnson has an excuse with COVID, which both derailed his Levelling Up policy and exacerbated the personal scandals.

    There is an remote alternative universe where he really did go all in on the North in the way he did London - HS2, Northern Powerhouse Rail, trams, regional tax rates and energy pricing...

    That's actually a bigger but slower issue for Labour. They feel very London.
  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 18,996

    What's the Kremlinology here? Michael Gove levers Kemi into the leadership, becomes Spectator editor, lures Shippers away from the Times, and runs a story that Kemi might be for the chop.

    That Dave (pbuh) thinks Jenrick should lead the Tories at the next election, that's a biggie, especially as Dave has been helping Kemi at PMQs.

    Coincidentally Gove admits to being duplicitous snake in today's Times.

    What [Gove] regrets now, he says, is being “insufficiently clear” to Cameron that he would campaign for Leave.

    https://www.thetimes.com/uk/politics/article/michael-gove-camerons-divorce-sarah-vine-depression-dvcpbqm8n
    Another data point for the "if the Oxbridge Unions really are a political nursery, Ofsted should close them down pronto" theory.

    Didn't join myself, but my understanding is that duplicitous snakery is how one succeeds in that sort of place.
    Boris wrote a chapter on it in The Oxford Myth.
    If only Boris were a myth.

    In fact, if only Oxford were a myth.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 51,807
    edited 7:03AM
    IanB2 said:

    Battlebus said:

    IanB2 said:

    First! From a sunny morning on Oslofjord

    How was the trip? On my Scandinavian ferry crossing (Stockholm-Helsinki) with a bunch of Scandinavians, I was told the only purpose was to get drunk. A reaction to the high taxes on alcohol there. The Finns were finished by the end of the trip.
    Still an hour to go; this last bit up the fjord is very scenic, and this large ferry is extraordinarily near to the coast and the rocky islands; the fjord must go straight down deep.

    For the number of cabins, the ship has a myriad of restaurants and bars; plenty of ways to get drunk. You have probably explained why, although alcohol prices on the ship aren’t particularly cheap. They’ve just done the tannoy announcement for those going straight back on the ship, which would be two nights on board with basically lunchtime ashore. So perhaps Scandi booze cruising is a thing, indeed.
    And the duty free prices are better, wine from €10 and whisky from €20, although to get anything decent you’d have to pay a bit more. Bargains for Norwegians. The limits on what you can take home are tight (just four bottles of wine or one of spirits into Norway) but there’s nothing stopping you drinking it on board.
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 35,065

    Just like many Reform councillors are ex other parties, mostly, Conservative, it could be that an incoming Reform government would be formed of ex Conservative politicians, some with experience of power. That would remove the argument about a Reform government not having any previous parliamentary experience.

    Hardly a 'recommendation' though!
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 122,470
    edited 7:05AM
    Anyhoo, the Russian and/or Iranian nukes cannot come soon enough, we are a nation that deserves to be nuked.

    This is worse than pineapple on pizza, strawberries in bread!!!!



  • AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 25,891

    What's the Kremlinology here? Michael Gove levers Kemi into the leadership, becomes Spectator editor, lures Shippers away from the Times, and runs a story that Kemi might be for the chop.

    That Dave (pbuh) thinks Jenrick should lead the Tories at the next election, that's a biggie, especially as Dave has been helping Kemi at PMQs.

    Coincidentally Gove admits to being a duplicitous snake in today's Times.

    What [Gove] regrets now, he says, is being “insufficiently clear” to Cameron that he would campaign for Leave.

    https://www.thetimes.com/uk/politics/article/michael-gove-camerons-divorce-sarah-vine-depression-dvcpbqm8n
    Cant figure why anyone would listen to Cameron, he destroyed the Conservatives.
    Nope, that was the Brexiteers, which even Gove privately admits.
    Cameron signed up to a Blair agenda and did nothing to reverse the creeping expansion of the state. He lost the troops on the ground as what he offered wasnt conservatiism. He could quite happilu have stood up to the various factions in his party but that required a backbone and he didnt have one. He was crap a party management and hence we had the Brexit vote something we can all be grateful for and which is his overarching legacy.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 78,684
    I see the Telegraph are already attacking this, so it might be a sensible deal.

    UK and France discuss ‘one-in, one-out’ migrant returns
    Plan being considered by Keir Starmer and President Macron would allow Britain to return illegal small boat arrivals to France
    https://www.thetimes.com/uk/politics/article/uk-and-france-discuss-one-in-one-out-migrant-returns-wjlgr66ms
  • DopermeanDopermean Posts: 1,188

    What's the Kremlinology here? Michael Gove levers Kemi into the leadership, becomes Spectator editor, lures Shippers away from the Times, and runs a story that Kemi might be for the chop.

    That Dave (pbuh) thinks Jenrick should lead the Tories at the next election, that's a biggie, especially as Dave has been helping Kemi at PMQs.

    Coincidentally Gove admits to being a duplicitous snake in today's Times.

    What [Gove] regrets now, he says, is being “insufficiently clear” to Cameron that he would campaign for Leave.

    https://www.thetimes.com/uk/politics/article/michael-gove-camerons-divorce-sarah-vine-depression-dvcpbqm8n
    Cant figure why anyone would listen to Cameron, he destroyed the Conservatives.
    Nope, that was the Brexiteers, which even Gove privately admits.
    Cameron signed up to a Blair agenda and did nothing to reverse the creeping expansion of the state. He lost the troops on the ground as what he offered wasnt conservatiism. He could quite happilu have stood up to the various factions in his party but that required a backbone and he didnt have one. He was crap a party management and hence we had the Brexit vote something we can all be grateful for and which is his overarching legacy.
    "all" now being defined as "a lot less than 50% and declining"
  • geoffwgeoffw Posts: 9,113
    Battlebus said:

    IanB2 said:

    First! From a sunny morning on Oslofjord

    How was the trip? On my Scandinavian ferry crossing (Stockholm-Helsinki) with a bunch of Scandinavians, I was told the only purpose was to get drunk. A reaction to the high taxes on alcohol there. The Finns were finished by the end of the trip.
    The drivers are breathalised coming off the ferry

  • AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 25,891
    Dopermean said:

    What's the Kremlinology here? Michael Gove levers Kemi into the leadership, becomes Spectator editor, lures Shippers away from the Times, and runs a story that Kemi might be for the chop.

    That Dave (pbuh) thinks Jenrick should lead the Tories at the next election, that's a biggie, especially as Dave has been helping Kemi at PMQs.

    Coincidentally Gove admits to being a duplicitous snake in today's Times.

    What [Gove] regrets now, he says, is being “insufficiently clear” to Cameron that he would campaign for Leave.

    https://www.thetimes.com/uk/politics/article/michael-gove-camerons-divorce-sarah-vine-depression-dvcpbqm8n
    Cant figure why anyone would listen to Cameron, he destroyed the Conservatives.
    Nope, that was the Brexiteers, which even Gove privately admits.
    Cameron signed up to a Blair agenda and did nothing to reverse the creeping expansion of the state. He lost the troops on the ground as what he offered wasnt conservatiism. He could quite happilu have stood up to the various factions in his party but that required a backbone and he didnt have one. He was crap a party management and hence we had the Brexit vote something we can all be grateful for and which is his overarching legacy.
    "all" now being defined as "a lot less than 50% and declining"
    I notice there is no groundswell to rejoin.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 55,650

    What's the Kremlinology here? Michael Gove levers Kemi into the leadership, becomes Spectator editor, lures Shippers away from the Times, and runs a story that Kemi might be for the chop.

    That Dave (pbuh) thinks Jenrick should lead the Tories at the next election, that's a biggie, especially as Dave has been helping Kemi at PMQs.

    Coincidentally Gove admits to being duplicitous snake in today's Times.

    What [Gove] regrets now, he says, is being “insufficiently clear” to Cameron that he would campaign for Leave.

    https://www.thetimes.com/uk/politics/article/michael-gove-camerons-divorce-sarah-vine-depression-dvcpbqm8n
    Another data point for the "if the Oxbridge Unions really are a political nursery, Ofsted should close them down pronto" theory.

    Didn't join myself, but my understanding is that duplicitous snakery is how one succeeds in that sort of place.
    Same, as the old observation was, nobody stabs you in the back in the Union, they stab you in the front.
    My son was in charge of the debating society for about 18 months which gave him an ex officio position on the Union Board. He tried to stay out of the politics as much as possible but his descriptions were vivid.
  • boulayboulay Posts: 6,334

    Anyhoo, the Russian and/or Iranian nukes cannot come soon enough, we are a nation that deserves to be nuked.

    This is worse than pineapple on pizza, strawberries in bread!!!!



    We all have our individual triggers for why we, as a nation, really should be nuked. My personal one is the annual treat of the Ladies Day photos from the Grand National meet and the fighting at Royal Ascot by drunk twats.
  • DopermeanDopermean Posts: 1,188
    geoffw said:

    Battlebus said:

    IanB2 said:

    First! From a sunny morning on Oslofjord

    How was the trip? On my Scandinavian ferry crossing (Stockholm-Helsinki) with a bunch of Scandinavians, I was told the only purpose was to get drunk. A reaction to the high taxes on alcohol there. The Finns were finished by the end of the trip.
    The drivers are breathalised coming off the ferry

    I'd have thought the booze cruisers go as foot passengers.
    The ferries used to have conference facilities, many years ago some former colleagues utterly embarrassed themselves at a "user group meeting".
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 12,057
    edited 7:21AM
    Morning all
    The final result from last night was an LD hold in Rother on the south coast holding off a Reform charge who came through to second taking votes equally it seems off the LDs and Tories and with a 32 27 22 result typical of recent southern seat battles.....

    Also Techne are back after 3 weeks with

    Ref 28 (-3)
    Lab 23 (=)
    Con 18 (+1)
    LD 16 (+1)
    Green 8 (=)
    SNP 3 (+1)
    26 Jun (changes from 5 Jun)
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 78,684

    Dopermean said:

    What's the Kremlinology here? Michael Gove levers Kemi into the leadership, becomes Spectator editor, lures Shippers away from the Times, and runs a story that Kemi might be for the chop.

    That Dave (pbuh) thinks Jenrick should lead the Tories at the next election, that's a biggie, especially as Dave has been helping Kemi at PMQs.

    Coincidentally Gove admits to being a duplicitous snake in today's Times.

    What [Gove] regrets now, he says, is being “insufficiently clear” to Cameron that he would campaign for Leave.

    https://www.thetimes.com/uk/politics/article/michael-gove-camerons-divorce-sarah-vine-depression-dvcpbqm8n
    Cant figure why anyone would listen to Cameron, he destroyed the Conservatives.
    Nope, that was the Brexiteers, which even Gove privately admits.
    Cameron signed up to a Blair agenda and did nothing to reverse the creeping expansion of the state. He lost the troops on the ground as what he offered wasnt conservatiism. He could quite happilu have stood up to the various factions in his party but that required a backbone and he didnt have one. He was crap a party management and hence we had the Brexit vote something we can all be grateful for and which is his overarching legacy.
    "all" now being defined as "a lot less than 50% and declining"
    I notice there is no groundswell to rejoin.
    What you mean is that UK parties are terrified to propose it.

    The polling continues to suggest that it might still be an option for a party which actually decided to push for it.
    https://yougov.co.uk/politics/articles/52410-nine-years-after-the-eu-referendum-where-does-public-opinion-stand-on-brexit
  • GallowgateGallowgate Posts: 20,597

    Anyhoo, the Russian and/or Iranian nukes cannot come soon enough, we are a nation that deserves to be nuked.

    This is worse than pineapple on pizza, strawberries in bread!!!!



    Looks nice to be fair
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 51,807
    edited 7:27AM
    Dopermean said:

    geoffw said:

    Battlebus said:

    IanB2 said:

    First! From a sunny morning on Oslofjord

    How was the trip? On my Scandinavian ferry crossing (Stockholm-Helsinki) with a bunch of Scandinavians, I was told the only purpose was to get drunk. A reaction to the high taxes on alcohol there. The Finns were finished by the end of the trip.
    The drivers are breathalised coming off the ferry

    I'd have thought the booze cruisers go as foot passengers.
    The ferries used to have conference facilities, many years ago some former colleagues utterly embarrassed themselves at a "user group meeting".
    Yes. I was the second car on yesterday, and took the dog straight up on deck, and the deck bar already had a good number of people in it, knocking them back. There’s a note on the bar explaining that while docked in Oslo, all the drinks will cost more.

    The return trippers only have to get off for half an hour, so for them it’s essentially a 43 hour boozing session
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 39,075

    Anyhoo, the Russian and/or Iranian nukes cannot come soon enough, we are a nation that deserves to be nuked.

    This is worse than pineapple on pizza, strawberries in bread!!!!



    Looks nice to be fair
    Who has the banhammer ?
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 62,666

    Anyhoo, the Russian and/or Iranian nukes cannot come soon enough, we are a nation that deserves to be nuked.

    This is worse than pineapple on pizza, strawberries in bread!!!!



    What's your stance on cucumber sandwiches?
  • kjhkjh Posts: 12,782

    What's the Kremlinology here? Michael Gove levers Kemi into the leadership, becomes Spectator editor, lures Shippers away from the Times, and runs a story that Kemi might be for the chop.

    That Dave (pbuh) thinks Jenrick should lead the Tories at the next election, that's a biggie, especially as Dave has been helping Kemi at PMQs.

    Coincidentally Gove admits to being a duplicitous snake in today's Times.

    What [Gove] regrets now, he says, is being “insufficiently clear” to Cameron that he would campaign for Leave.

    https://www.thetimes.com/uk/politics/article/michael-gove-camerons-divorce-sarah-vine-depression-dvcpbqm8n
    Cant figure why anyone would listen to Cameron, he destroyed the Conservatives.
    Brexit destroyed the Conservatives.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 78,684
    Nigelb said:

    I see the Telegraph are already attacking this, so it might be a sensible deal.

    UK and France discuss ‘one-in, one-out’ migrant returns
    Plan being considered by Keir Starmer and President Macron would allow Britain to return illegal small boat arrivals to France
    https://www.thetimes.com/uk/politics/article/uk-and-france-discuss-one-in-one-out-migrant-returns-wjlgr66ms

    The benefits of this relatively modest deal would be twofold, I think.

    First, it would provide far more of a disincentive to attempt a Chanel crossing than did the ludicrous Rwanda idea (and at no cost).

    Secondly, while making no net difference on its own to the immigration numbers, it would reduce the number of migrants being detained in enforced idleness, at our cost.

    Looks like a good idea to me.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 55,234

    What's the Kremlinology here? Michael Gove levers Kemi into the leadership, becomes Spectator editor, lures Shippers away from the Times, and runs a story that Kemi might be for the chop.

    That Dave (pbuh) thinks Jenrick should lead the Tories at the next election, that's a biggie, especially as Dave has been helping Kemi at PMQs.

    Coincidentally Gove admits to being a duplicitous snake in today's Times.

    What [Gove] regrets now, he says, is being “insufficiently clear” to Cameron that he would campaign for Leave.

    https://www.thetimes.com/uk/politics/article/michael-gove-camerons-divorce-sarah-vine-depression-dvcpbqm8n
    Not sure how Cameron can remotely help with Jenrick being perceived as a [self-censored].....
  • FossFoss Posts: 1,515
    I'm far more offended by the brioche-ing of burgers than what looks to be a brioche fruit and cream sandwich.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 55,234
    edited 7:28AM

    Morning all
    The final result from last night was an LD hold in Rother on the south coast holding off a Reform charge who came through to second taking votes equally it seems off the LDs and Tories and with a 32 27 22 result typical of recent southern seat battles.....

    Also Techne are back after 3 weeks with

    Ref 28 (-3)
    Lab 23 (=)
    Con 18 (+1)
    LD 16 (+1)
    Green 8 (=)
    SNP 3 (+1)
    26 Jun (changes from 5 Jun)

    There does seem to be a bit of the froth coming off Nige's pint...
  • FishingFishing Posts: 5,657
    edited 7:28AM
    kjh said:

    What's the Kremlinology here? Michael Gove levers Kemi into the leadership, becomes Spectator editor, lures Shippers away from the Times, and runs a story that Kemi might be for the chop.

    That Dave (pbuh) thinks Jenrick should lead the Tories at the next election, that's a biggie, especially as Dave has been helping Kemi at PMQs.

    Coincidentally Gove admits to being a duplicitous snake in today's Times.

    What [Gove] regrets now, he says, is being “insufficiently clear” to Cameron that he would campaign for Leave.

    https://www.thetimes.com/uk/politics/article/michael-gove-camerons-divorce-sarah-vine-depression-dvcpbqm8n
    Cant figure why anyone would listen to Cameron, he destroyed the Conservatives.
    Brexit destroyed the Conservatives.
    No, they triumphed in 2019 because of it.

    They were crushed in 2024 because of the hangover from the pandemic and mostly Liz Truss, and they have failed to recover because they have no serious plan for reducing immigration.
  • AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 25,891
    Nigelb said:

    Dopermean said:

    What's the Kremlinology here? Michael Gove levers Kemi into the leadership, becomes Spectator editor, lures Shippers away from the Times, and runs a story that Kemi might be for the chop.

    That Dave (pbuh) thinks Jenrick should lead the Tories at the next election, that's a biggie, especially as Dave has been helping Kemi at PMQs.

    Coincidentally Gove admits to being a duplicitous snake in today's Times.

    What [Gove] regrets now, he says, is being “insufficiently clear” to Cameron that he would campaign for Leave.

    https://www.thetimes.com/uk/politics/article/michael-gove-camerons-divorce-sarah-vine-depression-dvcpbqm8n
    Cant figure why anyone would listen to Cameron, he destroyed the Conservatives.
    Nope, that was the Brexiteers, which even Gove privately admits.
    Cameron signed up to a Blair agenda and did nothing to reverse the creeping expansion of the state. He lost the troops on the ground as what he offered wasnt conservatiism. He could quite happilu have stood up to the various factions in his party but that required a backbone and he didnt have one. He was crap a party management and hence we had the Brexit vote something we can all be grateful for and which is his overarching legacy.
    "all" now being defined as "a lot less than 50% and declining"
    I notice there is no groundswell to rejoin.
    What you mean is that UK parties are terrified to propose it.

    The polling continues to suggest that it might still be an option for a party which actually decided to push for it.
    https://yougov.co.uk/politics/articles/52410-nine-years-after-the-eu-referendum-where-does-public-opinion-stand-on-brexit
    Well as you keep saying on the Reform meganami the polling means nothing until you get to the vote. I agree.

    Hold a vote when you tell people their taxes go up yet again, their MPs will go back to blaming shit legislation on Brussels, their salaries dont rise and immigration is outside their control and the numbers will different on voting day,

    The polls simply reflect remainers moaning about events 10 years ago while leave have moved on and left the field to them.

  • AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 25,891
    kjh said:

    What's the Kremlinology here? Michael Gove levers Kemi into the leadership, becomes Spectator editor, lures Shippers away from the Times, and runs a story that Kemi might be for the chop.

    That Dave (pbuh) thinks Jenrick should lead the Tories at the next election, that's a biggie, especially as Dave has been helping Kemi at PMQs.

    Coincidentally Gove admits to being a duplicitous snake in today's Times.

    What [Gove] regrets now, he says, is being “insufficiently clear” to Cameron that he would campaign for Leave.

    https://www.thetimes.com/uk/politics/article/michael-gove-camerons-divorce-sarah-vine-depression-dvcpbqm8n
    Cant figure why anyone would listen to Cameron, he destroyed the Conservatives.
    Brexit destroyed the Conservatives.
    Well following your logic who called the Brexit vote?
  • eekeek Posts: 30,387

    kjh said:

    What's the Kremlinology here? Michael Gove levers Kemi into the leadership, becomes Spectator editor, lures Shippers away from the Times, and runs a story that Kemi might be for the chop.

    That Dave (pbuh) thinks Jenrick should lead the Tories at the next election, that's a biggie, especially as Dave has been helping Kemi at PMQs.

    Coincidentally Gove admits to being a duplicitous snake in today's Times.

    What [Gove] regrets now, he says, is being “insufficiently clear” to Cameron that he would campaign for Leave.

    https://www.thetimes.com/uk/politics/article/michael-gove-camerons-divorce-sarah-vine-depression-dvcpbqm8n
    Cant figure why anyone would listen to Cameron, he destroyed the Conservatives.
    Brexit destroyed the Conservatives.
    Well following your logic who called the Brexit vote?
    Osborne who screwed up the 2015 election by winning a majority whilst having.a manifesto commitment that they expected to negotiate away when the coalition continued..
  • boulayboulay Posts: 6,334

    Anyhoo, the Russian and/or Iranian nukes cannot come soon enough, we are a nation that deserves to be nuked.

    This is worse than pineapple on pizza, strawberries in bread!!!!



    I did just read this review of it so it might appear worse than it actually is:

    “ I would like to take this opportunity to formally apologise to M&S Food for a post I published yesterday mocking their new Strawberries and Cream sandwich. I have just purchased one from their branch in Rayleigh in Essex and it was the last one on the shelf hours before lunchtime - that was the first sign that I may have been a little harsh without at least trying it first.

    It is strawberries and ‘creme’ to be precise and legal. The filling is a mixture of soft cheese and crème fraiche, and the bread is actually a sweet brioche. You get one half of a sandwich for £2.80, and I had to apologise to the elderly couple on the bench next to me after I bit into it because I said a rude word and had the sort of expression on my face that you would expect from someone getting their weasel greased. It’s good. It’s very, very good. It sounds like it shouldn’t work, but it does. It just works.

    So once again, I am very, very sorry for giving the impression that it was a disastrous idea for a sandwich. This experience was definitely up there with my wedding day, the births of my kids, and Arsenal Women winning the Champions League last season. Please, for the love of god, just try one of these if you can and tell me I’m wrong.”
  • JohnLilburneJohnLilburne Posts: 6,796

    Morning all
    The final result from last night was an LD hold in Rother on the south coast holding off a Reform charge who came through to second taking votes equally it seems off the LDs and Tories and with a 32 27 22 result typical of recent southern seat battles.....

    Also Techne are back after 3 weeks with

    Ref 28 (-3)
    Lab 23 (=)
    Con 18 (+1)
    LD 16 (+1)
    Green 8 (=)
    SNP 3 (+1)
    26 Jun (changes from 5 Jun)

    There does seem to be a bit of the froth coming off Nige's pint...
    Surely that's just due to the post-local election publicity fading away
  • AnneJGPAnneJGP Posts: 3,697
    The analogy only works if one knows who & what the Bulgars and the battle of Kleidion were/are.

    But isn't everything relative? There's a PM with a huge majority only 11 months into the premiership and he too seems to be sinking fast. So both the historically first teams are struggling on this political wicket.

    Good morning, everybody.
  • kjhkjh Posts: 12,782

    kjh said:

    What's the Kremlinology here? Michael Gove levers Kemi into the leadership, becomes Spectator editor, lures Shippers away from the Times, and runs a story that Kemi might be for the chop.

    That Dave (pbuh) thinks Jenrick should lead the Tories at the next election, that's a biggie, especially as Dave has been helping Kemi at PMQs.

    Coincidentally Gove admits to being a duplicitous snake in today's Times.

    What [Gove] regrets now, he says, is being “insufficiently clear” to Cameron that he would campaign for Leave.

    https://www.thetimes.com/uk/politics/article/michael-gove-camerons-divorce-sarah-vine-depression-dvcpbqm8n
    Cant figure why anyone would listen to Cameron, he destroyed the Conservatives.
    Brexit destroyed the Conservatives.
    Well following your logic who called the Brexit vote?
    Yep, not disagreeing with that. It was after years of trying to hold it altogether though, but clearly a strategic error.
  • AugustusCarp2AugustusCarp2 Posts: 372

    Morning all
    The final result from last night was an LD hold in Rother on the south coast holding off a Reform charge who came through to second taking votes equally it seems off the LDs and Tories and with a 32 27 22 result typical of recent southern seat battles.....

    Also Techne are back after 3 weeks with

    Ref 28 (-3)
    Lab 23 (=)
    Con 18 (+1)
    LD 16 (+1)
    Green 8 (=)
    SNP 3 (+1)
    26 Jun (changes from 5 Jun)

    There does seem to be a bit of the froth coming off Nige's pint...
    Surely that's just due to the post-local election publicity fading away
    Fading away? The coverage of them remains relentless, in my opinion, although it's certainly superficial. Compare and contrast with, say, the Lib Dems and the Greens.
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 19,472

    Techne are back after 3 weeks with

    Ref 28 (-3)
    Lab 23 (=)
    Con 18 (+1)
    LD 16 (+1)
    Green 8 (=)
    SNP 3 (+1)
    26 Jun (changes from 5 Jun)

    Twelve points between first and fourth. The next general election is going to be one for the ages.

    With those sorts of scores the strength of local candidates and campaigns will make so much more of a difference.
  • AnneJGPAnneJGP Posts: 3,697
    boulay said:

    Anyhoo, the Russian and/or Iranian nukes cannot come soon enough, we are a nation that deserves to be nuked.

    This is worse than pineapple on pizza, strawberries in bread!!!!



    I did just read this review of it so it might appear worse than it actually is:

    “ I would like to take this opportunity to formally apologise to M&S Food for a post I published yesterday mocking their new Strawberries and Cream sandwich. I have just purchased one from their branch in Rayleigh in Essex and it was the last one on the shelf hours before lunchtime - that was the first sign that I may have been a little harsh without at least trying it first.

    It is strawberries and ‘creme’ to be precise and legal. The filling is a mixture of soft cheese and crème fraiche, and the bread is actually a sweet brioche. You get one half of a sandwich for £2.80, and I had to apologise to the elderly couple on the bench next to me after I bit into it because I said a rude word and had the sort of expression on my face that you would expect from someone getting their weasel greased. It’s good. It’s very, very good. It sounds like it shouldn’t work, but it does. It just works.

    So once again, I am very, very sorry for giving the impression that it was a disastrous idea for a sandwich. This experience was definitely up there with my wedding day, the births of my kids, and Arsenal Women winning the Champions League last season. Please, for the love of god, just try one of these if you can and tell me I’m wrong.”
    Never heard of clotted cream, strawberry jam on scone, clearly.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 31,368
    Countdown final this afternoon.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 122,470

    Anyhoo, the Russian and/or Iranian nukes cannot come soon enough, we are a nation that deserves to be nuked.

    This is worse than pineapple on pizza, strawberries in bread!!!!



    What's your stance on cucumber sandwiches?
    I absolutely despise cucumbers in any setting.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 51,807
    Fishing said:

    kjh said:

    What's the Kremlinology here? Michael Gove levers Kemi into the leadership, becomes Spectator editor, lures Shippers away from the Times, and runs a story that Kemi might be for the chop.

    That Dave (pbuh) thinks Jenrick should lead the Tories at the next election, that's a biggie, especially as Dave has been helping Kemi at PMQs.

    Coincidentally Gove admits to being a duplicitous snake in today's Times.

    What [Gove] regrets now, he says, is being “insufficiently clear” to Cameron that he would campaign for Leave.

    https://www.thetimes.com/uk/politics/article/michael-gove-camerons-divorce-sarah-vine-depression-dvcpbqm8n
    Cant figure why anyone would listen to Cameron, he destroyed the Conservatives.
    Brexit destroyed the Conservatives.
    No, they triumphed in 2019 because of it.

    Don't confuse people wanting it over, with people wanting it per se
  • kjhkjh Posts: 12,782
    Fishing said:

    kjh said:

    What's the Kremlinology here? Michael Gove levers Kemi into the leadership, becomes Spectator editor, lures Shippers away from the Times, and runs a story that Kemi might be for the chop.

    That Dave (pbuh) thinks Jenrick should lead the Tories at the next election, that's a biggie, especially as Dave has been helping Kemi at PMQs.

    Coincidentally Gove admits to being a duplicitous snake in today's Times.

    What [Gove] regrets now, he says, is being “insufficiently clear” to Cameron that he would campaign for Leave.

    https://www.thetimes.com/uk/politics/article/michael-gove-camerons-divorce-sarah-vine-depression-dvcpbqm8n
    Cant figure why anyone would listen to Cameron, he destroyed the Conservatives.
    Brexit destroyed the Conservatives.
    No, they triumphed in 2019 because of it.

    They were crushed in 2024 because of the hangover from the pandemic and mostly Liz Truss, and they have failed to recover because they have no serious plan for reducing immigration.
    They won in 2019 because the public were fed up with the utter mess of Brexit (and the alternative was Corbyn ) and having 3 PMs because of Brexit and just wanted the damn thing done. Everything stems from the mess of Brexit.

    Just think about it if Cameron hadn't called a referendum and was able to control the Eurosceptic none of the mess would have happened. I mean 5 Tory PMs in that time is not normal politics.

    Brexit was the catalyst of all of this. Bizarrely it still is.
  • noneoftheabovenoneoftheabove Posts: 24,760
    Battlebus said:

    A political point, if I may?

    Boris seemed to fail to use his huge majority and Starmer looks to be going the same way. Is it poor party management or the fault of the media.

    How large a majority do you need to get anything done when the media fawns over a party with *checks notes* only 5 MPs.

    It really is a mystery why our leaders keep failing to deliver what the public wants. It is simple, just give us low taxes, high public spending, low immigration with plenty of nurses, carers and builders, lots of new houses, just not near us or in the countryside, high wages with low costs for services, high pensions available at an early age with loadsa freebies on top without impacting working age taxes. It's hardly rocket science is it?

    More alchemy perhaps.
  • strawbrickstrawbrick Posts: 23
    Good morning, not a political comment but a request for help.
    When I open the Comments the latest comment is at the top of the list and the first comment is at the bottom so I have to scroll down, often a long way, to start reading. Is there a setting to reverse this?
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 12,057
    edited 7:48AM

    Morning all
    The final result from last night was an LD hold in Rother on the south coast holding off a Reform charge who came through to second taking votes equally it seems off the LDs and Tories and with a 32 27 22 result typical of recent southern seat battles.....

    Also Techne are back after 3 weeks with

    Ref 28 (-3)
    Lab 23 (=)
    Con 18 (+1)
    LD 16 (+1)
    Green 8 (=)
    SNP 3 (+1)
    26 Jun (changes from 5 Jun)

    There does seem to be a bit of the froth coming off Nige's pint...
    They have slid below 30 into the high 20s more generally which probably pushes them into largest Party a fair way off majority territory with the others 5 and 10 behind or so.
    Last nights local results support a slight falling back, they didn't take a couple of seats that they took the broad equivalent of in the county council elections in May.
    They are doing amazingly well in sone 'red wall' and trad Labour areas but I'm not convinced they are doing quite enough to dominate in the SE, SW and maybe East - at below 30 nationally their vote becomes increasingly inefficient here the more it slips. From 25 down they struggle to push too far past say 125 seats..... hard to call but we are not much more than MoE tightening from a really messy result is what I'm saying I guess
  • kjhkjh Posts: 12,782
    IanB2 said:

    Fishing said:

    kjh said:

    What's the Kremlinology here? Michael Gove levers Kemi into the leadership, becomes Spectator editor, lures Shippers away from the Times, and runs a story that Kemi might be for the chop.

    That Dave (pbuh) thinks Jenrick should lead the Tories at the next election, that's a biggie, especially as Dave has been helping Kemi at PMQs.

    Coincidentally Gove admits to being a duplicitous snake in today's Times.

    What [Gove] regrets now, he says, is being “insufficiently clear” to Cameron that he would campaign for Leave.

    https://www.thetimes.com/uk/politics/article/michael-gove-camerons-divorce-sarah-vine-depression-dvcpbqm8n
    Cant figure why anyone would listen to Cameron, he destroyed the Conservatives.
    Brexit destroyed the Conservatives.
    No, they triumphed in 2019 because of it.

    Don't confuse people wanting it over, with people wanting it per se
    My point, more succinctly put.
  • noneoftheabovenoneoftheabove Posts: 24,760

    Countdown final this afternoon.

    On the www site this is currently 4 from the top, on the vanilla one it is 4 from the bottom.
  • FossFoss Posts: 1,515

    Good morning, not a political comment but a request for help.
    When I open the Comments the latest comment is at the top of the list and the first comment is at the bottom so I have to scroll down, often a long way, to start reading. Is there a setting to reverse this?

    Try 'vf.politicalbetting.com'
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 26,770
    Hang on, surely it is Starmer who is entering Truss territory.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 31,368
    edited 7:53AM

    Countdown final this afternoon.

    On the www site this is currently 4 from the top, on the vanilla one it is 4 from the bottom.
    Yes, that is because Vanilla sorts one way and www the other. This is also why PBers referring to comments "above" or "below" deserve to be force-fed strawberry sandwiches.

    ETA also, good joke. See, I got there in the end.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 55,234

    Anyhoo, the Russian and/or Iranian nukes cannot come soon enough, we are a nation that deserves to be nuked.

    This is worse than pineapple on pizza, strawberries in bread!!!!



    What's your stance on cucumber sandwiches?
    I absolutely despise cucumbers in any setting.
    File under "Utterly pointless foodstuffs".
  • AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 25,891
    tlg86 said:

    Hang on, surely it is Starmer who is entering Truss territory.

    Are you talking popularity or interest rates ?
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 31,368

    Good morning, not a political comment but a request for help.
    When I open the Comments the latest comment is at the top of the list and the first comment is at the bottom so I have to scroll down, often a long way, to start reading. Is there a setting to reverse this?

    Probably but easier is to use the Vanilla interface:-
    https://vf.politicalbetting.com/
  • FossFoss Posts: 1,515
    tlg86 said:

    Hang on, surely it is Starmer who is entering Truss territory.

    I don't think you can be in Truss territory unless you're a PM. Perhaps IDS/Foot land?
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 12,057
    edited 7:57AM
    On thread, i think the Tories would do a very happy dance if Braverman defected. She'd fall out with Nigel in record time and there arent 120 other faces to hide amongst in Reform.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 122,470
    edited 7:56AM
    I feel none of you have read the final paragraph in the header.

    The most brutal thing in The Spectator article is this observation about Badenoch ‘Another senior Tory concluded: ‘She seems to be auditioning to be a Spectator columnist’ which is not something someone aspiring to be Prime Minister should ever audition for in my humble opinion.
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 44,021

    Anyhoo, the Russian and/or Iranian nukes cannot come soon enough, we are a nation that deserves to be nuked.

    This is worse than pineapple on pizza, strawberries in bread!!!!



    What's your stance on cucumber sandwiches?
    I absolutely despise cucumbers in any setting.
    That's not what I heard.
    There's always one.
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 12,057
    Foss said:

    tlg86 said:

    Hang on, surely it is Starmer who is entering Truss territory.

    I don't think you can be in Truss territory unless you're a PM. Perhaps IDS/Foot land?
    Foot was never ousted mid term though. IDS it is! The quiet girl is turning up the.....
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 26,770

    tlg86 said:

    Hang on, surely it is Starmer who is entering Truss territory.

    Are you talking popularity or interest rates ?
    The latter.
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 19,472
    Cucumbers are a great salad vegetable. My mother-in-law is growing some in the greenhouse and they were delicious last year. Can't make tabbouleh without them.
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 44,021
    edited 7:58AM
    The only thing I can think of as a use for cucumbers is for Peking Duck, where it works quite well.

    Plus Pimms perhaps if you are feeling inclusive.

    And yes with cream cheese in a sandwich.

    So actually a vital foodstuff.
  • FossFoss Posts: 1,515

    Foss said:

    tlg86 said:

    Hang on, surely it is Starmer who is entering Truss territory.

    I don't think you can be in Truss territory unless you're a PM. Perhaps IDS/Foot land?
    Foot was never ousted mid term though. IDS it is! The quiet girl is turning up the.....
    Perhaps unfairly, I threw Foot in as a chunk of his party wandered off.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 122,470

    Anyhoo, the Russian and/or Iranian nukes cannot come soon enough, we are a nation that deserves to be nuked.

    This is worse than pineapple on pizza, strawberries in bread!!!!



    What's your stance on cucumber sandwiches?
    I absolutely despise cucumbers in any setting.
    That's not what I heard.
    This is true but she would be furious if I divulged.
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 44,021
    And yes also, I agree with @Foss. You can't have a similar rating as a PM unless you are PM.

    As a LotO it's one thing, but the criteria for judgement are apples and chalk.
  • glwglw Posts: 10,450

    I have to say that two tier benefits is really shit. Who on earth thought that was a good idea?

    I don't see it lasting. The press are bound to find some examples where people with identical issues get radically different benefits.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 51,807
    TOPPING said:

    The only thing I can think of as a use for cucumbers is for Peking Duck, where it works quite well.

    Plus Pimms perhaps if you are feeling inclusive.

    And yes with cream cheese in a sandwich.

    So actually a vital foodstuff.

    In eastern Europe they cut them up thin and float them in a bit of water, and that counts as a salad
  • boulayboulay Posts: 6,334
    TOPPING said:

    The only thing I can think of as a use for cucumbers is for Peking Duck, where it works quite well.

    Plus Pimms perhaps if you are feeling inclusive.

    And yes with cream cheese in a sandwich.

    So actually a vital foodstuff.

    And in baby form as cornichons with cold meats and cheeses.
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 62,666
    I admit, I often don't read the original article, so thanks to Miss JGP for the references that made me correct that here.

    I'm not sure it'll be quite that bad for the Conservatives.

    The next bit is not for the squeamish.








    For those unaware, the story goes that Basil II crushed the Bulgars and took 10,000 prisoners. He then separated them into groups of 100 and from each blinded one man in one eye and the other 99 in both eyes. The one-eyed men acted as shepherds for an army of blind men, who, upon their return, so horrified the Bulgar Tsar that he had a heart attack and died.
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 44,021
    Question is, where are all those disaffected Lab votes going to go. Nowhere is my thinking. Green, obvs (although that party is now morphing into green, black, white and red), but the Greens ain't forming a govt any time soon, so perhaps not. As Ref & Cons are in a battle to head rightwards they won't be going there. NOTA perhaps but not if you are politically engaged.

    So they will stay with Lab.

    And SKS will hope that before the next GE the Cons don't tack to the centre under someone sensible (I said sensible, for all those foreseeing a BoJo return) and Ref keeps heading out into the deep blue sea thereby creating a distinction between the two. One can only hope.
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 12,057
    Foss said:

    Foss said:

    tlg86 said:

    Hang on, surely it is Starmer who is entering Truss territory.

    I don't think you can be in Truss territory unless you're a PM. Perhaps IDS/Foot land?
    Foot was never ousted mid term though. IDS it is! The quiet girl is turning up the.....
    Perhaps unfairly, I threw Foot in as a chunk of his party wandered off.
    I'd take Labour 1983 over Labour 2025 any day of any week though
  • fitalassfitalass Posts: 4,393

    Anyhoo, the Russian and/or Iranian nukes cannot come soon enough, we are a nation that deserves to be nuked.

    This is worse than pineapple on pizza, strawberries in bread!!!!



    Just No!
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 44,021
    IanB2 said:

    TOPPING said:

    The only thing I can think of as a use for cucumbers is for Peking Duck, where it works quite well.

    Plus Pimms perhaps if you are feeling inclusive.

    And yes with cream cheese in a sandwich.

    So actually a vital foodstuff.

    In eastern Europe they cut them up thin and float them in a bit of water, and that counts as a salad
    You do get them bobbing about in those gopping vats of water with a tap and paper cups nearby for guests at various establishments.
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