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  • LeonLeon Posts: 61,972
    FORTY SEVEN DEGREES CELSIUS - that's utterly ridic
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 122,403
    TOPPING said:

    kinabalu said:

    Israel's defence minister says Iran's supreme leader, Ali Khamenei, "can no longer be allowed to exist" after the Soroka hospital was hit during an Iranian missile attack, according to local media and the AFP news agency.

    Hang on, are the Israelis saying it is a bad thing to hit hospitals?
    Hospitals that are actually civilian hospitals and not military bases, yes.
    We tell the difference by where it is and who's bombing it, I suppose. Israel bombing one in enemy territory - military base. Enemy bombing one in Israel - proper hospital.
    Oh and the command post in the tunnel under the hospital. Don't forget that bit.
    Can you tell me how attacking Iran’s journalists degrades Iran’s nuclear capabilities?
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 32,430

    Israel's defence minister says Iran's supreme leader, Ali Khamenei, "can no longer be allowed to exist" after the Soroka hospital was hit during an Iranian missile attack, according to local media and the AFP news agency.

    Hang on, are the Israelis saying it is a bad thing to hit hospitals?
    Hospitals that are actually civilian hospitals and not military bases, yes.
    I hope you've rejoined the Tories. Priti is well up for a US/ UK bunfight with Iran.
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 11,640
    Leon said:

    Cookie said:

    I bet he drinks Carling Black Label

    Do the Shake and Vac, amd put the freshness back...
    A Hazelnut in Every Bite - I remember!
    A glass and a half of full cream milk in every bar (cadburys dairy milk)
  • TimSTimS Posts: 15,593
    edited June 19

    IanB2 said:

    Cookie said:

    Cookie said:

    Scott_xP said:
    That doesn't surprise me. Can anybody say they are better at spelling since the advent of spellcheckers and autocorrect? I personally struggle to remember how to spell loads of words now.

    My handwriting is terrible now that I hardly ever write anything and when I do it is on an iPad which is different to putting an actual pen to paper.
    My bugbear is people who can no longer navigate without electronic aids.
    I have a mate who insists on putting his sat-nav on everywhere he goes, including from his house to mine, which is about 15 minutes and has done loads of time. I did ask him once and he said I might forget....erh I am right next to you, I think I know I can probably help you out if you get lost.
    I had been driving a mate to the same place - about 15 minutes away - weekly, for about 6 weeks. Then he drove, and insisted on satnavving it even though he'd done it as a passenger six times and I was right next to him. It took him a long detour at the end,which he insisted on following. He still insists on going that way, despite knowing from experience it takes 5 minutes longer, cos its what his satnav tells him. (He drives a Tesla and his faith in his Tesla is greater than his faith in his own experience.)
    He is also bafflingly ignorant of how to get home from about a mile away,despite having lived there for seven years.
    Google Maps is pretty good but many of the in car ones, less so. Frequently if you know a shorter way and take it, the route time reduces, so the thing knows the correct timings but can't find the best route in the first place.

    On the other hand, if you want to know where the speed cameras and camera vans are, a satnav is very useful, particularly so now that Google is sharing the customer entered data across Maps and Waze.
    Our in car satnav's main weakness is a lack of knowledge about LTN restrictions. I was driving my in laws back from Heathrow yesterday and ran into some road closures around the Oval and tried to use the satnav to find a way round it - big mistake! It took me down a side road into a maze of residential streets and kept trying to make me drive through LTN restrictions. I'd have about £300 of fines if I'd followed its advice, and it took me ten minutes to find a way out of the maze.
    Last night I opened one of those ominous TfL envelopes to find my wife had committed another infraction, doing an illegal right turn off Lee High Road (she seems to be the one who falls foul of LTN, school street and no turning restrictions, but I’m the one with multiple 20mph zone speeding penalties).

    She was only there to pick up some table trestles she’d found on eBay for £20 (rrp £80), so they’ve ended up costing her £100.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 84,653
    edited June 19
    Leon said:

    Are they seriously suggesting 47C in Central London??????

    Like, WTAF

    Possibly sometime in the next 12 years....according to Met Office models....who would like even more funding for even bigger computers for climate modelling.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 61,972

    Leon said:

    Cookie said:

    I bet he drinks Carling Black Label

    Do the Shake and Vac, amd put the freshness back...
    A Hazelnut in Every Bite - I remember!
    A glass and a half of full cream milk in every bar (cadburys dairy milk)
    A friend of mine changed their famous jingle song to "cup hands, here comes c*ntburys*

    For some reason, we found this stupidly funny. We were 22 and mostly drunk or stoned all the time

    *sighs nostalgically*
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 11,640
    Leon said:

    Are they seriously suggesting 47C in Central London??????

    Like, WTAF

    1 in 2500 year event though
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 11,640
    edited June 19
    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Cookie said:

    I bet he drinks Carling Black Label

    Do the Shake and Vac, amd put the freshness back...
    A Hazelnut in Every Bite - I remember!
    A glass and a half of full cream milk in every bar (cadburys dairy milk)
    A friend of mine changed their famous jingle song to "cup hands, here comes c*ntburys*

    For some reason, we found this stupidly funny. We were 22 and mostly drunk or stoned all the time

    *sighs nostalgically*
    If you can pinch more than an inch (Special K)
    (Then you're a fat bastard)
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 11,640
    TimS said:

    IanB2 said:

    Cookie said:

    Cookie said:

    Scott_xP said:
    That doesn't surprise me. Can anybody say they are better at spelling since the advent of spellcheckers and autocorrect? I personally struggle to remember how to spell loads of words now.

    My handwriting is terrible now that I hardly ever write anything and when I do it is on an iPad which is different to putting an actual pen to paper.
    My bugbear is people who can no longer navigate without electronic aids.
    I have a mate who insists on putting his sat-nav on everywhere he goes, including from his house to mine, which is about 15 minutes and has done loads of time. I did ask him once and he said I might forget....erh I am right next to you, I think I know I can probably help you out if you get lost.
    I had been driving a mate to the same place - about 15 minutes away - weekly, for about 6 weeks. Then he drove, and insisted on satnavving it even though he'd done it as a passenger six times and I was right next to him. It took him a long detour at the end,which he insisted on following. He still insists on going that way, despite knowing from experience it takes 5 minutes longer, cos its what his satnav tells him. (He drives a Tesla and his faith in his Tesla is greater than his faith in his own experience.)
    He is also bafflingly ignorant of how to get home from about a mile away,despite having lived there for seven years.
    Google Maps is pretty good but many of the in car ones, less so. Frequently if you know a shorter way and take it, the route time reduces, so the thing knows the correct timings but can't find the best route in the first place.

    On the other hand, if you want to know where the speed cameras and camera vans are, a satnav is very useful, particularly so now that Google is sharing the customer entered data across Maps and Waze.
    Our in car satnav's main weakness is a lack of knowledge about LTN restrictions. I was driving my in laws back from Heathrow yesterday and ran into some road closures around the Oval and tried to use the satnav to find a way round it - big mistake! It took me down a side road into a maze of residential streets and kept trying to make me drive through LTN restrictions. I'd have about £300 of fines if I'd followed its advice, and it took me ten minutes to find a way out of the maze.
    Last night I opened one of those ominous TfL envelopes to find my wife had committed another infraction, doing an illegal right turn off Lee High Road (she seems to be the one who falls foul of LTN, school street and no turning restrictions, but I’m the one with multiple 20mph zone speeding penalties).

    She was only there to pick up some table trestles she’d found on eBay for £20 (rrp £80), so they’ve ended up costing her £100.
    Gross and repeated illegality requiring a custodial sentence surely?!
  • EabhalEabhal Posts: 11,021
    Leon said:

    FORTY SEVEN DEGREES CELSIUS - that's utterly ridic

    We're going to have close the border soon to prevent climate migrants from England flooding the central belt.
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 11,640
    Eabhal said:

    Leon said:

    FORTY SEVEN DEGREES CELSIUS - that's utterly ridic

    We're going to have close the border soon to prevent climate migrants from England flooding the central belt.
    Scottish red wine should be interesting
  • LeonLeon Posts: 61,972
    edited June 19

    Leon said:

    Are they seriously suggesting 47C in Central London??????

    Like, WTAF

    Possibly sometime in the next 12 years....according to Met Office models....who would like even more funding for even bigger computers for climate modelling.
    No, they* are suggesting we will see that in the next few weeks. A literal and scienticic prediction that London will hit 47C or even higher - THIS SUMMER

    This is pretty calamitous

    *The only consolation, as we look at these desolating predictions, is that I have entirely made this up, for no good reason at all. Apart from being very slightly bored. But still, despite the total non-existence of any such prediction, this is ominous

    47C!!!!

    Jeez
  • BartholomewRobertsBartholomewRoberts Posts: 24,783

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    MattW said:

    MattW said:

    TOPPING said:

    If you allow assisted dying it is inevitable that some people will be coerced or emotionally blackmailed into killing themselves, whatever safeguards are put in place. If you don't allow assisted dying, a far greater number of people will endure unnecessary pain and suffering. The reality is that there is a trade-off, and there are no easy answers. People can reasonably come to different views on it. It's an emotive topic for obvious reasons, and it's good we are having a thorough debate about it. Being of a greater good for the greater number kind of frame of mind, I am supportive.

    Isn't it the same as the death penalty. A main argument against is that "even one innocent person killed...." is too much. That is exactly analagous to this - for all the undoubted good/relief/etc it might do are you happy that one "innocent" (ie coerced, felt pressured) person is killed.
    One major difference is I think is about motivation.

    The death penalty is, like "lock 'em up and throw away they key" and "whole life terms without possibility of parole" is about satisfying the psychological desires of those who want to impose it, with little consideration as to whether it works.
    So your argument against is that because it doesn't stop the crimes that could result in the death penalty, it shouldn't be available? That's a reasonable stand point. I am also queezy about the one innocent amongst the deserving dead and we can all recall certain cases from history (not all of which, I think are that). However, part of the punishment should be about punishment. The killers of the Nicole Smallman and Bibaa Henry, or Sarah Everard will never leave prison, but why should they be allowed decades more life? They took that from their victims.
    I'm questioning the reliability and breadth of the comparison made.

    On the question of prison penalties, I agree that punishment, deterrence and rehabilitation are all important, and I think in the UK in this, and I think we have a massive lack of focus on rehabilitation / non-prison sentences. IMO - as in many other questions - the pull of the USA setup is a real problem for us.

    If anything, the USA is the poster child for "Prison Doesn't Work". They now have 1.8m in prison - third world numbers - and 50k imprisoned on LWOP sentences, with an average age of under 50. And they also have USA crime levels. I think the real underlying question there is over the entire USA model of society they have adopted.

    (I've not tried to address the question of individual cases and the death penalty sentences itself, as that would need a very detailed response.)
    Prison works in the sense of when you are locked up you are not committing crimes. Though yes that needs to be combined with effective community orders for lower level offenders and rehabilitation in prison for those who will come out
    It is necessary for some but it doesn't work. More prisoners come out dehabilitated rather than rehabilated.
    Which can be changed, see Norway's effective prison rehabilitation and work programme
    If we are willing to invest in Scandi style public services and pay their tax rates then yes, more things will work. Is this something Kemi might pivot to?
    It doesn't just need lots of public spending, North Carolina, Missouri and Texas have an effective prisons rehabilitation programme too. It is more ensuring prisoners, especially the lower level prisoners who will be more likely to be able to get a job on release, are given work training and education not just spending 90% of their prison day in their cells
    https://texas2036.org/posts/a-closer-look-at-the-texas-prison-system/

    There were 132,955 inmates in Texas prison facilities in April. Of the roughly 40,000 Texans released from state prisons every year, nearly half are rearrested within three years, and between 15-20% return to prison.
    The majority not getting rearrested sounds positive, be curious to know how the 'nearly half' compares with other systems.
    Seeing as many crimes have very low conviction and even arrest rates, nearly half doesnt sound at all positive to me, unless you own shares in one of the prison firms of course.
    That's comparing apples and oranges. Many crimes have a very low conviction and arrest rates, however many criminals commit many crimes. Someone committing multiple crimes is more likely to be arrested.

    Many criminals also have high recidivism rates. Recidivism of nearly 50% is bad if compared to if it is an average of 20% elsewhere, but is good compared to if it is an average of 80% elsewhere.
  • numbertwelvenumbertwelve Posts: 7,561

    TOPPING said:

    Cookie said:

    Taz said:

    Cookie said:

    Pulpstar said:

    The Bank of England continues to screw savers.

    Eh ? The vote was carried to keep rates the same. Dinghra, Taylor and Ramsden got outvoted to reduce.
    I wanted interest rates to go up.
    I think this is because you are a net saver? If so, IANAFA but I would have thought, all other things being equal, you would be better off in a low-interest rate world in which you could invest in funds which would grow more, than a high interest rate world in which you could invest in savings accounts?
    Surely that depends on your financial journey and where you are as well as risk tolerance.
    Well yes, but I think Eagles is my age - i.e. he's about 50. Which, all being well, means he has a good few decades left - so no age to be putting everything in savings accounts? But as I say, IANAFA.
    I have a diversified portfolio most in equities but Mr Trump keeps on scaring me.
    Don't let him. Equities are, really, the only game in town. People get carried away with fancy new products, but equities are where it's at for retail investors and are pretty resilient. If you are an institution it's a different story but for normal punters it's equities.

    MSCI World YTD:


    They are resilient until major economic and political change, ask holders of Russian equities in 1917. Russian bonds had the same fate too. The global economy could be radically altered from that of our lifetime by any of tariffs, AI, global warming or war. Diversifaction beats any "only game in town".
    Though we should say that in the case of a stock market disaster, we are all in a complete mess because it will also completely destroy our pensions. So if we get to that stage a lot of us will have much more to worry about.
  • BartholomewRobertsBartholomewRoberts Posts: 24,783

    Lord Hermer, the Attorney General, is understood to have raised concerns that assisting the US in attacking Iran would be against international law. The Spectator reported on Wednesday that he had suggested Britain limited its military response to protecting Israel.

    Graham Stringer, the Labour MP for Blackley and Middleton South, told The Telegraph: “I think Hermer has shown that his legal advice is often flawed, and he seems to delight in giving advice which is not in this country’s interest.

    Well said Stringer. Hermer, not for the first time, is a disgrace and not fit for office.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 84,653
    Zia Yusuf - I Make No Apologies For Trying To Save Britain
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=weIVxjKmAVg

    He talks about policies that sounds like they could be very controversial e.g. repeat Trump approach of deporting anybody here illegal, and will be hard to square the circle under more rigious media attacks, smaller state but bigger state.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 84,653
    edited June 19
    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Are they seriously suggesting 47C in Central London??????

    Like, WTAF

    Possibly sometime in the next 12 years....according to Met Office models....who would like even more funding for even bigger computers for climate modelling.
    No, they* are suggesting we will see that in the next few weeks. A literal and scienticic prediction that London will hit 47C or even higher - THIS SUMMER

    This is pretty calamitous

    *The only consolation, as we look at these desolating predictions, is that I have entirely made this up, for no good reason at all. Apart from being very slightly bored. But still, despite the total non-existence of any such prediction, this is ominous

    47C!!!!

    Jeez
    Link?

    The only link I have seen is media spinning an academic paper for clicks.
    https://www.standard.co.uk/news/london/met-office-weather-45c-month-long-heatwaves-b1233569.html

    All the other headlines about heatwave are getting their knickers in a twist about it being 32oC...otherwise known as a normal summers day when you go on your summer hols.
  • BartholomewRobertsBartholomewRoberts Posts: 24,783
    kinabalu said:

    Israel's defence minister says Iran's supreme leader, Ali Khamenei, "can no longer be allowed to exist" after the Soroka hospital was hit during an Iranian missile attack, according to local media and the AFP news agency.

    Hang on, are the Israelis saying it is a bad thing to hit hospitals?
    Hospitals that are actually civilian hospitals and not military bases, yes.
    We tell the difference by where it is and who's bombing it, I suppose. Israel bombing one in enemy territory - military base. Enemy bombing one in Israel - proper hospital.
    No.

    Hamas command and control structure under the hospital, where a bombing kills multiple Hamas leaders in that structure = military base.

    Iran bombing a hospital that has no military ties = not a military base.
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 11,640
    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Are they seriously suggesting 47C in Central London??????

    Like, WTAF

    Possibly sometime in the next 12 years....according to Met Office models....who would like even more funding for even bigger computers for climate modelling.
    No, they* are suggesting we will see that in the next few weeks. A literal and scienticic prediction that London will hit 47C or even higher - THIS SUMMER

    This is pretty calamitous

    *The only consolation, as we look at these desolating predictions, is that I have entirely made this up, for no good reason at all. Apart from being very slightly bored. But still, despite the total non-existence of any such prediction, this is ominous

    47C!!!!

    Jeez
    Imagine the state of the sweat on the fat birds out clubbing in it.
    An ocean under every flap
  • LeonLeon Posts: 61,972
    edited June 19

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Cookie said:

    I bet he drinks Carling Black Label

    Do the Shake and Vac, amd put the freshness back...
    A Hazelnut in Every Bite - I remember!
    A glass and a half of full cream milk in every bar (cadburys dairy milk)
    A friend of mine changed their famous jingle song to "cup hands, here comes c*ntburys*

    For some reason, we found this stupidly funny. We were 22 and mostly drunk or stoned all the time

    *sighs nostalgically*
    If you can pinch more than an inch (Special K)
    (Then you're a fat bastard)
    These phrases do have some weird unforgettable quality. Is it just coz they were repeated again and again?

    I can still remember, literally - indeed I can say it out loud, right now, in my flat, where I sit sweating in my pants at my laptop (sorry)


    "Lipsmacking, thirst quenching, ace tasting, motivating, cool buzzing, high talking, fast living, ever giving, cool fizzing...Pepsi!"
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 43,969

    TOPPING said:

    Cookie said:

    Taz said:

    Cookie said:

    Pulpstar said:

    The Bank of England continues to screw savers.

    Eh ? The vote was carried to keep rates the same. Dinghra, Taylor and Ramsden got outvoted to reduce.
    I wanted interest rates to go up.
    I think this is because you are a net saver? If so, IANAFA but I would have thought, all other things being equal, you would be better off in a low-interest rate world in which you could invest in funds which would grow more, than a high interest rate world in which you could invest in savings accounts?
    Surely that depends on your financial journey and where you are as well as risk tolerance.
    Well yes, but I think Eagles is my age - i.e. he's about 50. Which, all being well, means he has a good few decades left - so no age to be putting everything in savings accounts? But as I say, IANAFA.
    I have a diversified portfolio most in equities but Mr Trump keeps on scaring me.
    Don't let him. Equities are, really, the only game in town. People get carried away with fancy new products, but equities are where it's at for retail investors and are pretty resilient. If you are an institution it's a different story but for normal punters it's equities.

    MSCI World YTD:


    They are resilient until major economic and political change, ask holders of Russian equities in 1917. Russian bonds had the same fate too. The global economy could be radically altered from that of our lifetime by any of tariffs, AI, global warming or war. Diversifaction beats any "only game in town".
    As the GFC taught us in extreme times everything is correlated. But in extreme times virtually nothing "works". But as we have seen with countless crises (COVID, Ukraine, tariffs) equities consistently bounce back.
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 43,969

    TOPPING said:

    kinabalu said:

    Israel's defence minister says Iran's supreme leader, Ali Khamenei, "can no longer be allowed to exist" after the Soroka hospital was hit during an Iranian missile attack, according to local media and the AFP news agency.

    Hang on, are the Israelis saying it is a bad thing to hit hospitals?
    Hospitals that are actually civilian hospitals and not military bases, yes.
    We tell the difference by where it is and who's bombing it, I suppose. Israel bombing one in enemy territory - military base. Enemy bombing one in Israel - proper hospital.
    Oh and the command post in the tunnel under the hospital. Don't forget that bit.
    Can you tell me how attacking Iran’s journalists degrades Iran’s nuclear capabilities?
    I have no idea if Israel is targeting Iran's journalists. Did a mullah tell you they were.
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 11,640
    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Cookie said:

    I bet he drinks Carling Black Label

    Do the Shake and Vac, amd put the freshness back...
    A Hazelnut in Every Bite - I remember!
    A glass and a half of full cream milk in every bar (cadburys dairy milk)
    A friend of mine changed their famous jingle song to "cup hands, here comes c*ntburys*

    For some reason, we found this stupidly funny. We were 22 and mostly drunk or stoned all the time

    *sighs nostalgically*
    If you can pinch more than an inch (Special K)
    (Then you're a fat bastard)
    These phrases do have some weird unfortettable quality. Is it just coz they were repeated again and again?

    I can still remember, literally - indeed I can say it out loud, right now, in my flat, where I sit sweating in my pants at my laptop (sorry)


    "Lipsmacking, thirst quenching, ace tasting, motivating, cool buzzing, high talking, fast living, ever giving, cool fizzing...Pepsi!"
    Um bongo um bongo they drink it in the Congo.
    GDP of the Congo now ruined by Political Correctness
  • sarissasarissa Posts: 2,156
    MattW said:

    Ultimately this will pass i think, but people have many different reasons for supporting or opposing on wide societal or very personal terms - on the latter, as much as some will have had family members in pain who wished to have this which informs their perspective there will be others who have spent a single part or much of their lives fighting suicidal thoughts who feel horrified that the government and medical profession could ever support voluntarily ending your life. Basically its very very triggering. Ive tried to state that in as neutral terms as possible, but the concepts here go way beyond easing suffering and its the casting off of proposed safeguards that i am most upset by (im against it anyway)

    I do think it will pass, but I genuinely hope we do not see champagne corks popping by those who support the bill

    Assisted death may well be desired, but like the adverts for funeral plans it is not really a smiling and cheering matter
    I absolutely would be cheering if this passes. Its something I've supported for 30 years, since I first debate euthanasia in the 1990s at school.
    'Debate euthanasia'
    Schools and their innocence
    I was in debate club in school and euthanasia was a major political issue in 1990s Melbourne as they were debating in Parliament whether to legalise it or not (they voted not to then). Should people not be debating topical issues in debate clubs in schools?
    Should children be debating the State killing people?
    This house believes no, they should not
    Of course they should, yes. Children should be learning about the issues facing the country and if it is a major issue being debated then yes of course they should.

    Secondary school children are plenty old enough to be both learning about and debating serious issues.
    Yeah, i dont agree.
    Why not?

    Why aren't secondary school age children old enough to be learning about or debating issues?

    Isn't that the entire purpose of education? Especially in things like Debate Clubs.
    I agree with Bart.
    On holiday in italy, I shared a train compartment with an italian academic who has going to be on a judging panel for their national schools debating finals - debating in German!
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 38,914
    Camilla really hammering the bookies with her hats

    Is it white, or grey, or silver, or all three...
  • LeonLeon Posts: 61,972
    edited June 19

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Are they seriously suggesting 47C in Central London??????

    Like, WTAF

    Possibly sometime in the next 12 years....according to Met Office models....who would like even more funding for even bigger computers for climate modelling.
    No, they* are suggesting we will see that in the next few weeks. A literal and scienticic prediction that London will hit 47C or even higher - THIS SUMMER

    This is pretty calamitous

    *The only consolation, as we look at these desolating predictions, is that I have entirely made this up, for no good reason at all. Apart from being very slightly bored. But still, despite the total non-existence of any such prediction, this is ominous

    47C!!!!

    Jeez
    Link?

    The only link I have seen is media spinning an academic paper for clicks.
    https://www.standard.co.uk/news/london/met-office-weather-45c-month-long-heatwaves-b1233569.html
    I'm too scared to link; also linking would be clearly impossible. Nonetheless and despite the fact I invented this prediction just now, simply to entertain myself, and it has absolutely no basis in reality, because I made it all up, I'm still horrified

    47C??!

    That's.... incredible. This will be bad
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 40,180

    Lord Hermer, the Attorney General, is understood to have raised concerns that assisting the US in attacking Iran would be against international law. The Spectator reported on Wednesday that he had suggested Britain limited its military response to protecting Israel.

    Graham Stringer, the Labour MP for Blackley and Middleton South, told The Telegraph: “I think Hermer has shown that his legal advice is often flawed, and he seems to delight in giving advice which is not in this country’s interest.

    It's impressive how often Hermer's legal advice coincides with his personal views.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 61,972

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Cookie said:

    I bet he drinks Carling Black Label

    Do the Shake and Vac, amd put the freshness back...
    A Hazelnut in Every Bite - I remember!
    A glass and a half of full cream milk in every bar (cadburys dairy milk)
    A friend of mine changed their famous jingle song to "cup hands, here comes c*ntburys*

    For some reason, we found this stupidly funny. We were 22 and mostly drunk or stoned all the time

    *sighs nostalgically*
    If you can pinch more than an inch (Special K)
    (Then you're a fat bastard)
    These phrases do have some weird unfortettable quality. Is it just coz they were repeated again and again?

    I can still remember, literally - indeed I can say it out loud, right now, in my flat, where I sit sweating in my pants at my laptop (sorry)


    "Lipsmacking, thirst quenching, ace tasting, motivating, cool buzzing, high talking, fast living, ever giving, cool fizzing...Pepsi!"
    Um bongo um bongo they drink it in the Congo.
    GDP of the Congo now ruined by Political Correctness
    You induced an actual and quite hearty chuckle, here on the sweltering Primrose Hill borderlands
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 11,640
    Have a pint and Castella.
    Before we all become puritanical pussies
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 35,727
    Does anyone else allow hot weather to stop them doing things they'd otherwise do?
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 84,653
    MaxPB said:

    Lord Hermer, the Attorney General, is understood to have raised concerns that assisting the US in attacking Iran would be against international law. The Spectator reported on Wednesday that he had suggested Britain limited its military response to protecting Israel.

    Graham Stringer, the Labour MP for Blackley and Middleton South, told The Telegraph: “I think Hermer has shown that his legal advice is often flawed, and he seems to delight in giving advice which is not in this country’s interest.

    It's impressive how often Hermer's legal advice coincides with his personal views.
    Total coincidence.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 122,403
    TOPPING said:

    TOPPING said:

    kinabalu said:

    Israel's defence minister says Iran's supreme leader, Ali Khamenei, "can no longer be allowed to exist" after the Soroka hospital was hit during an Iranian missile attack, according to local media and the AFP news agency.

    Hang on, are the Israelis saying it is a bad thing to hit hospitals?
    Hospitals that are actually civilian hospitals and not military bases, yes.
    We tell the difference by where it is and who's bombing it, I suppose. Israel bombing one in enemy territory - military base. Enemy bombing one in Israel - proper hospital.
    Oh and the command post in the tunnel under the hospital. Don't forget that bit.
    Can you tell me how attacking Iran’s journalists degrades Iran’s nuclear capabilities?
    I have no idea if Israel is targeting Iran's journalists. Did a mullah tell you they were.
    Didn’t you see the footage?

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c3w46pw2xn0o
  • CookieCookie Posts: 15,365

    Zia Yusuf - I Make No Apologies For Trying To Save Britain
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=weIVxjKmAVg

    He talks about policies that sounds like they could be very controversial e.g. repeat Trump approach of deporting anybody here illegal, and will be hard to square the circle under more rigious media attacks, smaller state but bigger state.

    Why is it controversial to deport people who are here illegally? 90% of people would assume the only reason we don't do that is incompetence.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 35,727
    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Are they seriously suggesting 47C in Central London??????

    Like, WTAF

    Possibly sometime in the next 12 years....according to Met Office models....who would like even more funding for even bigger computers for climate modelling.
    No, they* are suggesting we will see that in the next few weeks. A literal and scienticic prediction that London will hit 47C or even higher - THIS SUMMER

    This is pretty calamitous

    *The only consolation, as we look at these desolating predictions, is that I have entirely made this up, for no good reason at all. Apart from being very slightly bored. But still, despite the total non-existence of any such prediction, this is ominous

    47C!!!!

    Jeez
    Link?

    The only link I have seen is media spinning an academic paper for clicks.
    https://www.standard.co.uk/news/london/met-office-weather-45c-month-long-heatwaves-b1233569.html
    I'm too scared to link; also linking would be clearly impossible. Nonetheless and despite the fact I invented this prediction just now, simply to entertain myself, and it has absolutely no basis in reality, because I made it all up, I'm still horrified

    47C??!

    That's.... incredible. This will be bad
    39C was bad enough in July 2022.
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 11,640
    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Cookie said:

    I bet he drinks Carling Black Label

    Do the Shake and Vac, amd put the freshness back...
    A Hazelnut in Every Bite - I remember!
    A glass and a half of full cream milk in every bar (cadburys dairy milk)
    A friend of mine changed their famous jingle song to "cup hands, here comes c*ntburys*

    For some reason, we found this stupidly funny. We were 22 and mostly drunk or stoned all the time

    *sighs nostalgically*
    If you can pinch more than an inch (Special K)
    (Then you're a fat bastard)
    These phrases do have some weird unfortettable quality. Is it just coz they were repeated again and again?

    I can still remember, literally - indeed I can say it out loud, right now, in my flat, where I sit sweating in my pants at my laptop (sorry)


    "Lipsmacking, thirst quenching, ace tasting, motivating, cool buzzing, high talking, fast living, ever giving, cool fizzing...Pepsi!"
    Um bongo um bongo they drink it in the Congo.
    GDP of the Congo now ruined by Political Correctness
    You induced an actual and quite hearty chuckle, here on the sweltering Primrose Hill borderlands
    Im in playful mood and occasionally very mildly amusing. Its a heady mix.
    Tomorrow I shall be unbearable again. If not after this coffee
  • LeonLeon Posts: 61,972
    Richard Shops are filled with all the pretty things
    Such a lot of pretty things, to wear.
    Hey there, pretty face, make the world a prettier place!
    Hey pretty face, come buy your clothes at... Richard Shops
  • Leon said:

    Are they seriously suggesting 47C in Central London??????

    Like, WTAF

    Possibly sometime in the next 12 years....according to Met Office models....who would like even more funding for even bigger computers for climate modelling.
    The Met Office are looking for way to ensure their current organisation stays relevant in future. Most of their funding is predicated on the idea you need lots of experts and a giant supercomputer to produce even mediocre weather forecasts, but as with many other data analysis tasks it turns out just feeding the raw numbers into a correctly trained AI produces as good or better results.

    It's also a lot cheaper and needs less bureaucrats and no shiny big supercomputers.
  • BartholomewRobertsBartholomewRoberts Posts: 24,783
    edited June 19

    TOPPING said:

    TOPPING said:

    kinabalu said:

    Israel's defence minister says Iran's supreme leader, Ali Khamenei, "can no longer be allowed to exist" after the Soroka hospital was hit during an Iranian missile attack, according to local media and the AFP news agency.

    Hang on, are the Israelis saying it is a bad thing to hit hospitals?
    Hospitals that are actually civilian hospitals and not military bases, yes.
    We tell the difference by where it is and who's bombing it, I suppose. Israel bombing one in enemy territory - military base. Enemy bombing one in Israel - proper hospital.
    Oh and the command post in the tunnel under the hospital. Don't forget that bit.
    Can you tell me how attacking Iran’s journalists degrades Iran’s nuclear capabilities?
    I have no idea if Israel is targeting Iran's journalists. Did a mullah tell you they were.
    Didn’t you see the footage?

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c3w46pw2xn0o
    Propaganda is a legitimate target to attack in war.

    We bombed Nazi radio broadcasts in WWII.
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 45,934
    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Are they seriously suggesting 47C in Central London??????

    Like, WTAF

    Possibly sometime in the next 12 years....according to Met Office models....who would like even more funding for even bigger computers for climate modelling.
    No, they* are suggesting we will see that in the next few weeks. A literal and scienticic prediction that London will hit 47C or even higher - THIS SUMMER

    This is pretty calamitous

    *The only consolation, as we look at these desolating predictions, is that I have entirely made this up, for no good reason at all. Apart from being very slightly bored. But still, despite the total non-existence of any such prediction, this is ominous

    47C!!!!

    Jeez
    Link?

    The only link I have seen is media spinning an academic paper for clicks.
    https://www.standard.co.uk/news/london/met-office-weather-45c-month-long-heatwaves-b1233569.html
    I'm too scared to link; also linking would be clearly impossible. Nonetheless and despite the fact I invented this prediction just now, simply to entertain myself, and it has absolutely no basis in reality, because I made it all up, I'm still horrified

    47C??!

    That's.... incredible. This will be bad
    47?

    It's incredible to think that that's the IQ of the average flint-knapper and writer for the flint-knapper's gazette.

    I mean, 47 is *low*. Really low. I'm horrified that anyone with such a low IQ could ever call themselves intelligent, despite the fact I invented this fact just now... :)
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 11,640
    Andy_JS said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Are they seriously suggesting 47C in Central London??????

    Like, WTAF

    Possibly sometime in the next 12 years....according to Met Office models....who would like even more funding for even bigger computers for climate modelling.
    No, they* are suggesting we will see that in the next few weeks. A literal and scienticic prediction that London will hit 47C or even higher - THIS SUMMER

    This is pretty calamitous

    *The only consolation, as we look at these desolating predictions, is that I have entirely made this up, for no good reason at all. Apart from being very slightly bored. But still, despite the total non-existence of any such prediction, this is ominous

    47C!!!!

    Jeez
    Link?

    The only link I have seen is media spinning an academic paper for clicks.
    https://www.standard.co.uk/news/london/met-office-weather-45c-month-long-heatwaves-b1233569.html
    I'm too scared to link; also linking would be clearly impossible. Nonetheless and despite the fact I invented this prediction just now, simply to entertain myself, and it has absolutely no basis in reality, because I made it all up, I'm still horrified

    47C??!

    That's.... incredible. This will be bad
    39C was bad enough in July 2022.
    I've been in mid 40s in the Sahara, rather nice because very dry, then dropped sub Saharan and wanted to die in mid thirties in Senegal in tropical sweat
  • CookieCookie Posts: 15,365
    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Cookie said:

    I bet he drinks Carling Black Label

    Do the Shake and Vac, amd put the freshness back...
    A Hazelnut in Every Bite - I remember!
    A glass and a half of full cream milk in every bar (cadburys dairy milk)
    A friend of mine changed their famous jingle song to "cup hands, here comes c*ntburys*

    For some reason, we found this stupidly funny. We were 22 and mostly drunk or stoned all the time

    *sighs nostalgically*
    On a similar subject, my wife and I went through a phase of fitting jingles for *every* product to the tune of "Where in the World? PC World!" (e.g. Where are the pets? They're at Home!)
    We didn't even have the excuse of being drunk. Still amuses us periodically.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 60,246

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Are they seriously suggesting 47C in Central London??????

    Like, WTAF

    Possibly sometime in the next 12 years....according to Met Office models....who would like even more funding for even bigger computers for climate modelling.
    No, they* are suggesting we will see that in the next few weeks. A literal and scienticic prediction that London will hit 47C or even higher - THIS SUMMER

    This is pretty calamitous

    *The only consolation, as we look at these desolating predictions, is that I have entirely made this up, for no good reason at all. Apart from being very slightly bored. But still, despite the total non-existence of any such prediction, this is ominous

    47C!!!!

    Jeez
    Link?

    The only link I have seen is media spinning an academic paper for clicks.
    https://www.standard.co.uk/news/london/met-office-weather-45c-month-long-heatwaves-b1233569.html
    I'm too scared to link; also linking would be clearly impossible. Nonetheless and despite the fact I invented this prediction just now, simply to entertain myself, and it has absolutely no basis in reality, because I made it all up, I'm still horrified

    47C??!

    That's.... incredible. This will be bad
    47?

    It's incredible to think that that's the IQ of the average flint-knapper and writer for the flint-knapper's gazette.

    I mean, 47 is *low*. Really low. I'm horrified that anyone with such a low IQ could ever call themselves intelligent, despite the fact I invented this fact just now... :)
    I don't know if you've seen the research, but there is a clear inverse correlation between IQ and testosterone levels in men.

    Basically, the more testosterone you have, the stupider you are.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 55,160

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Are they seriously suggesting 47C in Central London??????

    Like, WTAF

    Possibly sometime in the next 12 years....according to Met Office models....who would like even more funding for even bigger computers for climate modelling.
    No, they* are suggesting we will see that in the next few weeks. A literal and scienticic prediction that London will hit 47C or even higher - THIS SUMMER

    This is pretty calamitous

    *The only consolation, as we look at these desolating predictions, is that I have entirely made this up, for no good reason at all. Apart from being very slightly bored. But still, despite the total non-existence of any such prediction, this is ominous

    47C!!!!

    Jeez
    Imagine the state of the sweat on the fat birds out clubbing in it.
    An ocean under every flap
    As a student, I used to go to a heavy metal dive under a pub in Tufnell Park. Because of a low ceiling, they had attached carpet to it, so that people pogoing didn’t know themselves out.

    In high summer, a combination of poor ventilation and a dense crowd meant that the carpet dripped condensation.

    There were no fat birds in there…
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 43,969

    TOPPING said:

    TOPPING said:

    kinabalu said:

    Israel's defence minister says Iran's supreme leader, Ali Khamenei, "can no longer be allowed to exist" after the Soroka hospital was hit during an Iranian missile attack, according to local media and the AFP news agency.

    Hang on, are the Israelis saying it is a bad thing to hit hospitals?
    Hospitals that are actually civilian hospitals and not military bases, yes.
    We tell the difference by where it is and who's bombing it, I suppose. Israel bombing one in enemy territory - military base. Enemy bombing one in Israel - proper hospital.
    Oh and the command post in the tunnel under the hospital. Don't forget that bit.
    Can you tell me how attacking Iran’s journalists degrades Iran’s nuclear capabilities?
    I have no idea if Israel is targeting Iran's journalists. Did a mullah tell you they were.
    Didn’t you see the footage?

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c3w46pw2xn0o
    Ah!!! Yes. Def saw that. An outrage. Shocked. Etc.
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 11,640
    Cookie said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Cookie said:

    I bet he drinks Carling Black Label

    Do the Shake and Vac, amd put the freshness back...
    A Hazelnut in Every Bite - I remember!
    A glass and a half of full cream milk in every bar (cadburys dairy milk)
    A friend of mine changed their famous jingle song to "cup hands, here comes c*ntburys*

    For some reason, we found this stupidly funny. We were 22 and mostly drunk or stoned all the time

    *sighs nostalgically*
    On a similar subject, my wife and I went through a phase of fitting jingles for *every* product to the tune of "Where in the World? PC World!" (e.g. Where are the pets? They're at Home!)
    We didn't even have the excuse of being drunk. Still amuses us periodically.
    Its all good, I mean no-one is too grand for a Grandee
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 84,653
    edited June 19

    Andy_JS said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Are they seriously suggesting 47C in Central London??????

    Like, WTAF

    Possibly sometime in the next 12 years....according to Met Office models....who would like even more funding for even bigger computers for climate modelling.
    No, they* are suggesting we will see that in the next few weeks. A literal and scienticic prediction that London will hit 47C or even higher - THIS SUMMER

    This is pretty calamitous

    *The only consolation, as we look at these desolating predictions, is that I have entirely made this up, for no good reason at all. Apart from being very slightly bored. But still, despite the total non-existence of any such prediction, this is ominous

    47C!!!!

    Jeez
    Link?

    The only link I have seen is media spinning an academic paper for clicks.
    https://www.standard.co.uk/news/london/met-office-weather-45c-month-long-heatwaves-b1233569.html
    I'm too scared to link; also linking would be clearly impossible. Nonetheless and despite the fact I invented this prediction just now, simply to entertain myself, and it has absolutely no basis in reality, because I made it all up, I'm still horrified

    47C??!

    That's.... incredible. This will be bad
    39C was bad enough in July 2022.
    I've been in mid 40s in the Sahara, rather nice because very dry, then dropped sub Saharan and wanted to die in mid thirties in Senegal in tropical sweat
    Its the humidity that is the killer* and particularly if it never really goes away at night.

    * i don't mean actual killer, I mean draining. Obviously standing out in 45oC in Saudi Arabia for hours on end with no water probably going to end badly.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 61,972
    Cookie said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Cookie said:

    I bet he drinks Carling Black Label

    Do the Shake and Vac, amd put the freshness back...
    A Hazelnut in Every Bite - I remember!
    A glass and a half of full cream milk in every bar (cadburys dairy milk)
    A friend of mine changed their famous jingle song to "cup hands, here comes c*ntburys*

    For some reason, we found this stupidly funny. We were 22 and mostly drunk or stoned all the time

    *sighs nostalgically*
    On a similar subject, my wife and I went through a phase of fitting jingles for *every* product to the tune of "Where in the World? PC World!" (e.g. Where are the pets? They're at Home!)
    We didn't even have the excuse of being drunk. Still amuses us periodically.
    It's these little things that make life tolerable
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 84,653
    I totally coincidentally bought a new fan for my office a few weeks ago. Its so powerful I haven't even got past level 1 of 3. Perhaps if it gets really bad at the weekend I might need to notch it up to level 2.
  • No_Offence_AlanNo_Offence_Alan Posts: 5,089

    Andy_JS said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Are they seriously suggesting 47C in Central London??????

    Like, WTAF

    Possibly sometime in the next 12 years....according to Met Office models....who would like even more funding for even bigger computers for climate modelling.
    No, they* are suggesting we will see that in the next few weeks. A literal and scienticic prediction that London will hit 47C or even higher - THIS SUMMER

    This is pretty calamitous

    *The only consolation, as we look at these desolating predictions, is that I have entirely made this up, for no good reason at all. Apart from being very slightly bored. But still, despite the total non-existence of any such prediction, this is ominous

    47C!!!!

    Jeez
    Link?

    The only link I have seen is media spinning an academic paper for clicks.
    https://www.standard.co.uk/news/london/met-office-weather-45c-month-long-heatwaves-b1233569.html
    I'm too scared to link; also linking would be clearly impossible. Nonetheless and despite the fact I invented this prediction just now, simply to entertain myself, and it has absolutely no basis in reality, because I made it all up, I'm still horrified

    47C??!

    That's.... incredible. This will be bad
    39C was bad enough in July 2022.
    I've been in mid 40s in the Sahara, rather nice because very dry, then dropped sub Saharan and wanted to die in mid thirties in Senegal in tropical sweat
    We moan about the heat sometimes at work then our work colleagues who come from Delhi put things into perspective.
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 11,640

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Are they seriously suggesting 47C in Central London??????

    Like, WTAF

    Possibly sometime in the next 12 years....according to Met Office models....who would like even more funding for even bigger computers for climate modelling.
    No, they* are suggesting we will see that in the next few weeks. A literal and scienticic prediction that London will hit 47C or even higher - THIS SUMMER

    This is pretty calamitous

    *The only consolation, as we look at these desolating predictions, is that I have entirely made this up, for no good reason at all. Apart from being very slightly bored. But still, despite the total non-existence of any such prediction, this is ominous

    47C!!!!

    Jeez
    Imagine the state of the sweat on the fat birds out clubbing in it.
    An ocean under every flap
    As a student, I used to go to a heavy metal dive under a pub in Tufnell Park. Because of a low ceiling, they had attached carpet to it, so that people pogoing didn’t know themselves out.

    In high summer, a combination of poor ventilation and a dense crowd meant that the carpet dripped condensation.

    There were no fat birds in there…
    Well if I don't die of the massive erection that imagery has given me i'll live forever
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 84,653
    The Home Office said Julius Malema had been deemed "non-conducive to the public good" and that it was "undesirable" to grant him entry.

    In a letter released by Malema's party, the Home Office cited his vocal support for Hamas, including a speech he made after the 7 October attacks in which he said his own party would arm the group if it came to power.

    The UK said Malema had made "statements calling for the slaughter of white people or hinted that it could be an acceptable option in the future", and also cited this as a reason for rejecting his visa request.

    https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cpd1qyydg12o
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 11,640

    Andy_JS said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Are they seriously suggesting 47C in Central London??????

    Like, WTAF

    Possibly sometime in the next 12 years....according to Met Office models....who would like even more funding for even bigger computers for climate modelling.
    No, they* are suggesting we will see that in the next few weeks. A literal and scienticic prediction that London will hit 47C or even higher - THIS SUMMER

    This is pretty calamitous

    *The only consolation, as we look at these desolating predictions, is that I have entirely made this up, for no good reason at all. Apart from being very slightly bored. But still, despite the total non-existence of any such prediction, this is ominous

    47C!!!!

    Jeez
    Link?

    The only link I have seen is media spinning an academic paper for clicks.
    https://www.standard.co.uk/news/london/met-office-weather-45c-month-long-heatwaves-b1233569.html
    I'm too scared to link; also linking would be clearly impossible. Nonetheless and despite the fact I invented this prediction just now, simply to entertain myself, and it has absolutely no basis in reality, because I made it all up, I'm still horrified

    47C??!

    That's.... incredible. This will be bad
    39C was bad enough in July 2022.
    I've been in mid 40s in the Sahara, rather nice because very dry, then dropped sub Saharan and wanted to die in mid thirties in Senegal in tropical sweat
    Its the humidity that is the killer* and particularly if it never really goes away at night.

    * i don't mean actual killer, I mean draining. Obviously standing out in 45oC in Saudi Arabia for hours on end with no water probably going to end badly.
    The final night (only) in Senegal i had access to aircon. Literally the happiest moment for years either side lol
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 78,371

    TOPPING said:

    TOPPING said:

    kinabalu said:

    Israel's defence minister says Iran's supreme leader, Ali Khamenei, "can no longer be allowed to exist" after the Soroka hospital was hit during an Iranian missile attack, according to local media and the AFP news agency.

    Hang on, are the Israelis saying it is a bad thing to hit hospitals?
    Hospitals that are actually civilian hospitals and not military bases, yes.
    We tell the difference by where it is and who's bombing it, I suppose. Israel bombing one in enemy territory - military base. Enemy bombing one in Israel - proper hospital.
    Oh and the command post in the tunnel under the hospital. Don't forget that bit.
    Can you tell me how attacking Iran’s journalists degrades Iran’s nuclear capabilities?
    I have no idea if Israel is targeting Iran's journalists. Did a mullah tell you they were.
    Didn’t you see the footage?

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c3w46pw2xn0o
    MBL just had a journalist beheaded.

    Must be a regional custom
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 84,653
    Armenia's PM accuses head of Church of fathering child (with his Uncles's wife)
    https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cpd1qnq87jxo
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 55,160

    Andy_JS said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Are they seriously suggesting 47C in Central London??????

    Like, WTAF

    Possibly sometime in the next 12 years....according to Met Office models....who would like even more funding for even bigger computers for climate modelling.
    No, they* are suggesting we will see that in the next few weeks. A literal and scienticic prediction that London will hit 47C or even higher - THIS SUMMER

    This is pretty calamitous

    *The only consolation, as we look at these desolating predictions, is that I have entirely made this up, for no good reason at all. Apart from being very slightly bored. But still, despite the total non-existence of any such prediction, this is ominous

    47C!!!!

    Jeez
    Link?

    The only link I have seen is media spinning an academic paper for clicks.
    https://www.standard.co.uk/news/london/met-office-weather-45c-month-long-heatwaves-b1233569.html
    I'm too scared to link; also linking would be clearly impossible. Nonetheless and despite the fact I invented this prediction just now, simply to entertain myself, and it has absolutely no basis in reality, because I made it all up, I'm still horrified

    47C??!

    That's.... incredible. This will be bad
    39C was bad enough in July 2022.
    I've been in mid 40s in the Sahara, rather nice because very dry, then dropped sub Saharan and wanted to die in mid thirties in Senegal in tropical sweat
    Its the humidity that is the killer* and particularly if it never really goes away at night.

    * i don't mean actual killer, I mean draining. Obviously standing out in 45oC in Saudi Arabia for hours on end with no water probably going to end badly.
    I’ve been out in the mid 40s in Peru. The locals were all hiding from the sun. Someone literally did the egg on black tin thing.

    Standing still in shade in shorts, T-shirt and flip flops was horrible. If you stepped into the sun, you could feel your life expectancy falling.

    The army (special forces) was doing runs by the road in full kit. They believe that Ecuador will steal more land, if not watched. I think they killed a dozen soldiers doing the acclimatisation.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 78,371
    Leon said:

    Cookie said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Cookie said:

    I bet he drinks Carling Black Label

    Do the Shake and Vac, amd put the freshness back...
    A Hazelnut in Every Bite - I remember!
    A glass and a half of full cream milk in every bar (cadburys dairy milk)
    A friend of mine changed their famous jingle song to "cup hands, here comes c*ntburys*

    For some reason, we found this stupidly funny. We were 22 and mostly drunk or stoned all the time

    *sighs nostalgically*
    On a similar subject, my wife and I went through a phase of fitting jingles for *every* product to the tune of "Where in the World? PC World!" (e.g. Where are the pets? They're at Home!)
    We didn't even have the excuse of being drunk. Still amuses us periodically.
    It's these little things that make life tolerable
    Was that Tic Tacs, or Smarties ?
  • noneoftheabovenoneoftheabove Posts: 24,716
    TOPPING said:

    TOPPING said:

    Cookie said:

    Taz said:

    Cookie said:

    Pulpstar said:

    The Bank of England continues to screw savers.

    Eh ? The vote was carried to keep rates the same. Dinghra, Taylor and Ramsden got outvoted to reduce.
    I wanted interest rates to go up.
    I think this is because you are a net saver? If so, IANAFA but I would have thought, all other things being equal, you would be better off in a low-interest rate world in which you could invest in funds which would grow more, than a high interest rate world in which you could invest in savings accounts?
    Surely that depends on your financial journey and where you are as well as risk tolerance.
    Well yes, but I think Eagles is my age - i.e. he's about 50. Which, all being well, means he has a good few decades left - so no age to be putting everything in savings accounts? But as I say, IANAFA.
    I have a diversified portfolio most in equities but Mr Trump keeps on scaring me.
    Don't let him. Equities are, really, the only game in town. People get carried away with fancy new products, but equities are where it's at for retail investors and are pretty resilient. If you are an institution it's a different story but for normal punters it's equities.

    MSCI World YTD:


    They are resilient until major economic and political change, ask holders of Russian equities in 1917. Russian bonds had the same fate too. The global economy could be radically altered from that of our lifetime by any of tariffs, AI, global warming or war. Diversifaction beats any "only game in town".
    As the GFC taught us in extreme times everything is correlated. But in extreme times virtually nothing "works". But as we have seen with countless crises (COVID, Ukraine, tariffs) equities consistently bounce back.
    Not true, again take Russia 1917 as an example. The Dutch in particular were heavily invested in Russia and lost out. Other countries had far less exposure.

    It is not a sensible time to have a high US equity weighting. There has already been talk (and draft legislation) about charging foreign owners of US investments penalty taxes if their home governments upset the Don.

    https://www.hermes-investment.com/uk/en/institutions/insights/macro/credit-investors-threatened-with-tax-hike-on-us-income/

    Diversification costs a tiny fraction more for significantly more resilience.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 35,727

    The Home Office said Julius Malema had been deemed "non-conducive to the public good" and that it was "undesirable" to grant him entry.

    In a letter released by Malema's party, the Home Office cited his vocal support for Hamas, including a speech he made after the 7 October attacks in which he said his own party would arm the group if it came to power.

    The UK said Malema had made "statements calling for the slaughter of white people or hinted that it could be an acceptable option in the future", and also cited this as a reason for rejecting his visa request.

    https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cpd1qyydg12o

    This is the first time the UK government has acknowledged that anyone has been saying things like this, even though it's been on the record the whole time.
  • CookieCookie Posts: 15,365
    edited June 19
    Leon said:

    Richard Shops are filled with all the pretty things
    Such a lot of pretty things, to wear.
    Hey there, pretty face, make the world a prettier place!
    Hey pretty face, come buy your clothes at... Richard Shops

    Jeez, that's inane. For anyone else in pb's younger demographic (i.e. under 60) I have Googled this and it genuinely existed and was even more inane than Leon makes it sound.

    I do vaguely remember the brand 'Richard Shops'. Even just the brand was inane.

    In fact, you've motivated me to see if I can find where in my childhood it featured, and here it is, at the top right, in Stockport - a photo which proves that every photo of old Britain looks like you think Britain looked at least a decade previously. I used to go to that 'Sarah's' with my mum for a prawn open sandwich and a slice of Black Forest Gateau. This was 1985.

  • LeonLeon Posts: 61,972
    Cookie said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Cookie said:

    I bet he drinks Carling Black Label

    Do the Shake and Vac, amd put the freshness back...
    A Hazelnut in Every Bite - I remember!
    A glass and a half of full cream milk in every bar (cadburys dairy milk)
    A friend of mine changed their famous jingle song to "cup hands, here comes c*ntburys*

    For some reason, we found this stupidly funny. We were 22 and mostly drunk or stoned all the time

    *sighs nostalgically*
    On a similar subject, my wife and I went through a phase of fitting jingles for *every* product to the tune of "Where in the World? PC World!" (e.g. Where are the pets? They're at Home!)
    We didn't even have the excuse of being drunk. Still amuses us periodically.
    I once did a 3 week roadtrip with my younger brother around the Western USA. It started off with us ghost-towning

    https://eu.fosters.com/story/lifestyle/2008/07/16/ghost-towning-one-way-to/52335107007/

    For a magazine. But then it turned into a mad adventure where we decided where to go the next day the previous evening. This was before America was insanrly pricey and you could get OK motels off the freeway for about $30 a night. Superb fun

    We share a sense of hunour and at one point we became fixated on a snack called "Beef E Beef", a branded cylinder of jerky

    https://www.instacart.com/products/16977014-tillamook-country-smoker-natural-wood-smoked-beef-e-beef-beef-stick-1-44-oz

    So every time we'd stop at a gas station one of us would get out and stride purposefully to the little shop and the other would call out "what you doing? What you getting?"

    The other would then turn around and say, with a masculine nod, "Beef E Beef"

    - cue hysterical laughter. Why? I do not know, but it worked

    By the end you didn't even have to say the words "Beef E Beef" you just had to make the "I'm buying beef e beef" face, and the other would crack up

    This went on for three weeks

    Even now we occasionally reference it in our communications, and snort with laughter. AND I HAVE NO IDEA WHY, but it is good





  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 11,640
    Cookie said:

    Leon said:

    Richard Shops are filled with all the pretty things
    Such a lot of pretty things, to wear.
    Hey there, pretty face, make the world a prettier place!
    Hey pretty face, come buy your clothes at... Richard Shops

    Jeez, that's inane. For anyone else in pb's younger demographic (i.e. under 60) I have Googled this and it genuinely existed and was even more inane than Leon makes it sound.

    I do vaguely remember the brand 'Richard Shops'. Even just the brand was inane.

    In fact, you've motivated me to see if I can find where in my childhood it featured, and here it is, at the top right, in Stockport - a photo which proves that every photo of old Britain looks like you think Britain looked at least a decade previously. I used to go to that 'Sarah's' with my mum for a prawn open sandwich and a slice of Black Forest Gateau. This was 1985.
    In the East we had the immortal....
    Mexico City?
    New York City?
    London City?
    NOOOOOO Its Carpet City!
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 79,611

    Andy_JS said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Are they seriously suggesting 47C in Central London??????

    Like, WTAF

    Possibly sometime in the next 12 years....according to Met Office models....who would like even more funding for even bigger computers for climate modelling.
    No, they* are suggesting we will see that in the next few weeks. A literal and scienticic prediction that London will hit 47C or even higher - THIS SUMMER

    This is pretty calamitous

    *The only consolation, as we look at these desolating predictions, is that I have entirely made this up, for no good reason at all. Apart from being very slightly bored. But still, despite the total non-existence of any such prediction, this is ominous

    47C!!!!

    Jeez
    Link?

    The only link I have seen is media spinning an academic paper for clicks.
    https://www.standard.co.uk/news/london/met-office-weather-45c-month-long-heatwaves-b1233569.html
    I'm too scared to link; also linking would be clearly impossible. Nonetheless and despite the fact I invented this prediction just now, simply to entertain myself, and it has absolutely no basis in reality, because I made it all up, I'm still horrified

    47C??!

    That's.... incredible. This will be bad
    39C was bad enough in July 2022.
    I've been in mid 40s in the Sahara, rather nice because very dry, then dropped sub Saharan and wanted to die in mid thirties in Senegal in tropical sweat
    We moan about the heat sometimes at work then our work colleagues who come from Delhi put things into perspective.
    Dubai is 100% aircon though isn't it ?
  • LeonLeon Posts: 61,972
    edited June 19
    Cookie said:


    Leon said:

    Richard Shops are filled with all the pretty things
    Such a lot of pretty things, to wear.
    Hey there, pretty face, make the world a prettier place!
    Hey pretty face, come buy your clothes at... Richard Shops

    Jeez, that's inane. For anyone else in pb's younger demographic (i.e. under 60) I have Googled this and it genuinely existed and was even more inane than Leon makes it sound.

    I do vaguely remember the brand 'Richard Shops'. Even just the brand was inane.

    In fact, you've motivated me to see if I can find where in my childhood it featured, and here it is, at the top right, in Stockport - a photo which proves that every photo of old Britain looks like you think Britain looked at least a decade previously. I used to go to that 'Sarah's' with my mum for a prawn open sandwich and a slice of Black Forest Gateau. This was 1985.
    Actually, I object to this

    IT was a genuinely good-ish song. I'm not kidding. It was so good they turned it into an ACTUAL song, by Paul Young


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Io-RouRFfxI

    The jingle was written by two of the most successful and prolific songwriters of the 60s-70s, so it makes sense
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 11,640
    edited June 19

    Cookie said:

    Leon said:

    Richard Shops are filled with all the pretty things
    Such a lot of pretty things, to wear.
    Hey there, pretty face, make the world a prettier place!
    Hey pretty face, come buy your clothes at... Richard Shops

    Jeez, that's inane. For anyone else in pb's younger demographic (i.e. under 60) I have Googled this and it genuinely existed and was even more inane than Leon makes it sound.

    I do vaguely remember the brand 'Richard Shops'. Even just the brand was inane.

    In fact, you've motivated me to see if I can find where in my childhood it featured, and here it is, at the top right, in Stockport - a photo which proves that every photo of old Britain looks like you think Britain looked at least a decade previously. I used to go to that 'Sarah's' with my mum for a prawn open sandwich and a slice of Black Forest Gateau. This was 1985.
    In the East we had the immortal....
    Mexico City?
    New York City?
    London City?
    NOOOOOO Its Carpet City!
    And Bride On A Budget in Wymondham advertising with photos including the 'Dallas Collection' replete with outfits modelled by Cliff Barnes (Ken Kercheval) and (I think) Kristin Shepherd who shot JR
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 78,371
    Pulpstar said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Are they seriously suggesting 47C in Central London??????

    Like, WTAF

    Possibly sometime in the next 12 years....according to Met Office models....who would like even more funding for even bigger computers for climate modelling.
    No, they* are suggesting we will see that in the next few weeks. A literal and scienticic prediction that London will hit 47C or even higher - THIS SUMMER

    This is pretty calamitous

    *The only consolation, as we look at these desolating predictions, is that I have entirely made this up, for no good reason at all. Apart from being very slightly bored. But still, despite the total non-existence of any such prediction, this is ominous

    47C!!!!

    Jeez
    Link?

    The only link I have seen is media spinning an academic paper for clicks.
    https://www.standard.co.uk/news/london/met-office-weather-45c-month-long-heatwaves-b1233569.html
    I'm too scared to link; also linking would be clearly impossible. Nonetheless and despite the fact I invented this prediction just now, simply to entertain myself, and it has absolutely no basis in reality, because I made it all up, I'm still horrified

    47C??!

    That's.... incredible. This will be bad
    39C was bad enough in July 2022.
    I've been in mid 40s in the Sahara, rather nice because very dry, then dropped sub Saharan and wanted to die in mid thirties in Senegal in tropical sweat
    We moan about the heat sometimes at work then our work colleagues who come from Delhi put things into perspective.
    Dubai is 100% aircon though isn't it ?
    Aren't there a few expat neocons ?
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 45,934
    rcs1000 said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Are they seriously suggesting 47C in Central London??????

    Like, WTAF

    Possibly sometime in the next 12 years....according to Met Office models....who would like even more funding for even bigger computers for climate modelling.
    No, they* are suggesting we will see that in the next few weeks. A literal and scienticic prediction that London will hit 47C or even higher - THIS SUMMER

    This is pretty calamitous

    *The only consolation, as we look at these desolating predictions, is that I have entirely made this up, for no good reason at all. Apart from being very slightly bored. But still, despite the total non-existence of any such prediction, this is ominous

    47C!!!!

    Jeez
    Link?

    The only link I have seen is media spinning an academic paper for clicks.
    https://www.standard.co.uk/news/london/met-office-weather-45c-month-long-heatwaves-b1233569.html
    I'm too scared to link; also linking would be clearly impossible. Nonetheless and despite the fact I invented this prediction just now, simply to entertain myself, and it has absolutely no basis in reality, because I made it all up, I'm still horrified

    47C??!

    That's.... incredible. This will be bad
    47?

    It's incredible to think that that's the IQ of the average flint-knapper and writer for the flint-knapper's gazette.

    I mean, 47 is *low*. Really low. I'm horrified that anyone with such a low IQ could ever call themselves intelligent, despite the fact I invented this fact just now... :)
    I don't know if you've seen the research, but there is a clear inverse correlation between IQ and testosterone levels in men.

    Basically, the more testosterone you have, the stupider you are.
    I've also heard there's an inverse correlation between IQ and hairiness. And since I'm afraid to go to Africa lest a big-game hunter mistakes me for a gorilla, my IQ must be lower than even a flint-knapper's... :)
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 55,160

    I totally coincidentally bought a new fan for my office a few weeks ago. Its so powerful I haven't even got past level 1 of 3. Perhaps if it gets really bad at the weekend I might need to notch it up to level 2.

    When I did the loft conversion on my house I gathered the following data.

    - no one in the area had used heating in their lofts in years.
    - heat rising, etc, meant that even with the best insulation, temperatures soared in the loft conversions.

    So installed air source air temperature control units. Air conditioning that can run both ways - heats and cools.

    We put in stubs for radiators, but didn’t install them in the end.

    In the 2 years since - used the heating function twice. The air con runs in summer, but is more than balanced on the electricity bills by the solar panels.

    Because the units are capable of heating, they are classed as electrical heating and are VAT free. IIRC in heating mode, they get something like 6-to-1 efficiency.

  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 78,371
    Israel's ground incursions into SW #Syria escalated sharply this past week -- with 18 in 7 days.

    They've also turned more aggressive: detaining men & removing them to #Israel; demolishing homes; shuttering roads & razing forests.

    Popular frustration & anger is rising...

    For 6 months -- faced by 800+ #Israel airstrikes & 250+ ground incursions -- #Syria's transition gov't has resorted *only* to UN Security Council complaints & the occasional public statement.

    That's smart & pragmatic, but for locals, it's an increasing source of frustration...

    https://x.com/Charles_Lister/status/1935425561935093842
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 79,611
    edited June 19

    There has already been talk (and draft legislation) about charging foreign owners of US investments penalty taxes if their home governments upset the Don.

    Diversification costs a tiny fraction more for significantly more resilience.

    If that's the risk there's not much danger with Starmer or Farage tbh. I'm global/tech atm but my future buys are european equities for the moment.

    Is China undervalued though ? They are producing and consuming significantly more leccy than the USA which should, ceteris paribus, correlate to economic strength.
  • stodgestodge Posts: 14,715
    Cookie said:

    Leon said:

    Richard Shops are filled with all the pretty things
    Such a lot of pretty things, to wear.
    Hey there, pretty face, make the world a prettier place!
    Hey pretty face, come buy your clothes at... Richard Shops

    Jeez, that's inane. For anyone else in pb's younger demographic (i.e. under 60) I have Googled this and it genuinely existed and was even more inane than Leon makes it sound.

    I do vaguely remember the brand 'Richard Shops'. Even just the brand was inane.

    In fact, you've motivated me to see if I can find where in my childhood it featured, and here it is, at the top right, in Stockport - a photo which proves that every photo of old Britain looks like you think Britain looked at least a decade previously. I used to go to that 'Sarah's' with my mum for a prawn open sandwich and a slice of Black Forest Gateau. This was 1985.

    It reminds me of the old Whitgift Centre in Croydon and its Rotunda pub accessed not by an escalator but a travelator. Said Centre also had a superb Chinese restaurant.
  • CookieCookie Posts: 15,365
    edited June 19
    Leon said:

    Cookie said:


    Leon said:

    Richard Shops are filled with all the pretty things
    Such a lot of pretty things, to wear.
    Hey there, pretty face, make the world a prettier place!
    Hey pretty face, come buy your clothes at... Richard Shops

    Jeez, that's inane. For anyone else in pb's younger demographic (i.e. under 60) I have Googled this and it genuinely existed and was even more inane than Leon makes it sound.

    I do vaguely remember the brand 'Richard Shops'. Even just the brand was inane.

    In fact, you've motivated me to see if I can find where in my childhood it featured, and here it is, at the top right, in Stockport - a photo which proves that every photo of old Britain looks like you think Britain looked at least a decade previously. I used to go to that 'Sarah's' with my mum for a prawn open sandwich and a slice of Black Forest Gateau. This was 1985.
    Actually, I object to this

    IT was a genuinely good-ish song. I'm not kidding. It was so good they turned it into an ACTUAL song, by Paul Young


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Io-RouRFfxI

    The jingle was written by two of the most successful and prolofic songwriters of the 60s-70s, so it makes sense
    Fair enough. I admire your contrarianism.
    Though I've looked up the fellas concerned (I think?) and while their output is prolific, I'd argue inanity is something of a feature. Though clearly they know what the public want...
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_songs_written_by_Roger_Cook_and_Roger_Greenaway
  • noneoftheabovenoneoftheabove Posts: 24,716
    Pulpstar said:

    There has already been talk (and draft legislation) about charging foreign owners of US investments penalty taxes if their home governments upset the Don.

    Diversification costs a tiny fraction more for significantly more resilience.

    If that's the risk there's not much danger with Starmer or Farage tbh.
    Countries with a digital service tax specifically mentioned.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 55,160

    TOPPING said:

    TOPPING said:

    Cookie said:

    Taz said:

    Cookie said:

    Pulpstar said:

    The Bank of England continues to screw savers.

    Eh ? The vote was carried to keep rates the same. Dinghra, Taylor and Ramsden got outvoted to reduce.
    I wanted interest rates to go up.
    I think this is because you are a net saver? If so, IANAFA but I would have thought, all other things being equal, you would be better off in a low-interest rate world in which you could invest in funds which would grow more, than a high interest rate world in which you could invest in savings accounts?
    Surely that depends on your financial journey and where you are as well as risk tolerance.
    Well yes, but I think Eagles is my age - i.e. he's about 50. Which, all being well, means he has a good few decades left - so no age to be putting everything in savings accounts? But as I say, IANAFA.
    I have a diversified portfolio most in equities but Mr Trump keeps on scaring me.
    Don't let him. Equities are, really, the only game in town. People get carried away with fancy new products, but equities are where it's at for retail investors and are pretty resilient. If you are an institution it's a different story but for normal punters it's equities.

    MSCI World YTD:


    They are resilient until major economic and political change, ask holders of Russian equities in 1917. Russian bonds had the same fate too. The global economy could be radically altered from that of our lifetime by any of tariffs, AI, global warming or war. Diversifaction beats any "only game in town".
    As the GFC taught us in extreme times everything is correlated. But in extreme times virtually nothing "works". But as we have seen with countless crises (COVID, Ukraine, tariffs) equities consistently bounce back.
    Not true, again take Russia 1917 as an example. The Dutch in particular were heavily invested in Russia and lost out. Other countries had far less exposure.

    It is not a sensible time to have a high US equity weighting. There has already been talk (and draft legislation) about charging foreign owners of US investments penalty taxes if their home governments upset the Don.

    https://www.hermes-investment.com/uk/en/institutions/insights/macro/credit-investors-threatened-with-tax-hike-on-us-income/

    Diversification costs a tiny fraction more for significantly more resilience.
    The French lost most with the Russian Revolution, IIRC. Their investment in Russia was massive - it was the China Tiger of handy. Invest in a factory and get double digit returns that just grew.

    People collected lots of Imperial Russian Bonds - very elaborately decorated. At the end of the Cold War, the new Russian Government redeemed them at face value
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 19,378

    Andy_JS said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Are they seriously suggesting 47C in Central London??????

    Like, WTAF

    Possibly sometime in the next 12 years....according to Met Office models....who would like even more funding for even bigger computers for climate modelling.
    No, they* are suggesting we will see that in the next few weeks. A literal and scienticic prediction that London will hit 47C or even higher - THIS SUMMER

    This is pretty calamitous

    *The only consolation, as we look at these desolating predictions, is that I have entirely made this up, for no good reason at all. Apart from being very slightly bored. But still, despite the total non-existence of any such prediction, this is ominous

    47C!!!!

    Jeez
    Link?

    The only link I have seen is media spinning an academic paper for clicks.
    https://www.standard.co.uk/news/london/met-office-weather-45c-month-long-heatwaves-b1233569.html
    I'm too scared to link; also linking would be clearly impossible. Nonetheless and despite the fact I invented this prediction just now, simply to entertain myself, and it has absolutely no basis in reality, because I made it all up, I'm still horrified

    47C??!

    That's.... incredible. This will be bad
    39C was bad enough in July 2022.
    I've been in mid 40s in the Sahara, rather nice because very dry, then dropped sub Saharan and wanted to die in mid thirties in Senegal in tropical sweat
    The dry-bulb temperature is vanity, but the wet-bulb temperature is (potentially) deadly.

    Highest wet-bulb temperature forecast is 20C in West Wales on Saturday.

    Wear a hat and drink some water.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 122,403
    edited June 19
    Season four of Reacher looks awesome thanks to person they’ve just added to the cast.



    https://variety.com/2025/tv/news/joe-biden-reacher-season-4-visit-set-1236433884/
  • LeonLeon Posts: 61,972
    edited June 19
    Cookie said:

    Leon said:

    Cookie said:


    Leon said:

    Richard Shops are filled with all the pretty things
    Such a lot of pretty things, to wear.
    Hey there, pretty face, make the world a prettier place!
    Hey pretty face, come buy your clothes at... Richard Shops

    Jeez, that's inane. For anyone else in pb's younger demographic (i.e. under 60) I have Googled this and it genuinely existed and was even more inane than Leon makes it sound.

    I do vaguely remember the brand 'Richard Shops'. Even just the brand was inane.

    In fact, you've motivated me to see if I can find where in my childhood it featured, and here it is, at the top right, in Stockport - a photo which proves that every photo of old Britain looks like you think Britain looked at least a decade previously. I used to go to that 'Sarah's' with my mum for a prawn open sandwich and a slice of Black Forest Gateau. This was 1985.
    Actually, I object to this

    IT was a genuinely good-ish song. I'm not kidding. It was so good they turned it into an ACTUAL song, by Paul Young


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Io-RouRFfxI

    The jingle was written by two of the most successful and prolofic songwriters of the 60s-70s, so it makes sense
    Fair enough. I admire your contrarianism.
    Though I've looked up the fellas concerned (I think?) and while their output is prolific, I'd argue inanity is something of a feature. Though clearly they know what the public want...
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_songs_written_by_Roger_Cook_and_Roger_Greenaway
    Yeah. I'm not saying this is Lennon & McCartney or even Stock Aitken Watermen - but its journeymen like this that made up the charts, and sometimes they did OK


    "I'd like to teach the world to sing" is a genuinely famous song, and really pretty good, albeit not Mozart's Requiem

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wlR0KElxxVg
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,540
    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Are they seriously suggesting 47C in Central London??????

    Like, WTAF

    Possibly sometime in the next 12 years....according to Met Office models....who would like even more funding for even bigger computers for climate modelling.
    No, they* are suggesting we will see that in the next few weeks. A literal and scienticic prediction that London will hit 47C or even higher - THIS SUMMER

    This is pretty calamitous

    *The only consolation, as we look at these desolating predictions, is that I have entirely made this up, for no good reason at all. Apart from being very slightly bored. But still, despite the total non-existence of any such prediction, this is ominous

    47C!!!!

    Jeez
    I’m currently in Phoenix where the high today is 46C. It’s not so bad in the shade!
  • CookieCookie Posts: 15,365
    stodge said:

    Cookie said:

    Leon said:

    Richard Shops are filled with all the pretty things
    Such a lot of pretty things, to wear.
    Hey there, pretty face, make the world a prettier place!
    Hey pretty face, come buy your clothes at... Richard Shops

    Jeez, that's inane. For anyone else in pb's younger demographic (i.e. under 60) I have Googled this and it genuinely existed and was even more inane than Leon makes it sound.

    I do vaguely remember the brand 'Richard Shops'. Even just the brand was inane.

    In fact, you've motivated me to see if I can find where in my childhood it featured, and here it is, at the top right, in Stockport - a photo which proves that every photo of old Britain looks like you think Britain looked at least a decade previously. I used to go to that 'Sarah's' with my mum for a prawn open sandwich and a slice of Black Forest Gateau. This was 1985.

    It reminds me of the old Whitgift Centre in Croydon and its Rotunda pub accessed not by an escalator but a travelator. Said Centre also had a superb Chinese restaurant.
    There was a travelator here, too! The Merseyway centre (i.e. the picture) was built on stilts over the River Mersey. It was actually a not-terrible piece of modernism - there are periodic demands to open up the river but I don't imagine what was there before it was built was all that lovely.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 84,653
    edited June 19

    Season four of Reacher looks awesome thanks to person they’ve just added



    https://variety.com/2025/tv/news/joe-biden-reacher-season-4-visit-set-1236433884/

    Well the plots always seem to revolve around the baddies being some dodgy rich white men running front companies that only exist because of their politician connections....is Hunter looking for a new job?
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 11,640
    Iran starting even earlier with the missiles today, Haifa targetted
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 128,168

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    MattW said:

    MattW said:

    TOPPING said:

    If you allow assisted dying it is inevitable that some people will be coerced or emotionally blackmailed into killing themselves, whatever safeguards are put in place. If you don't allow assisted dying, a far greater number of people will endure unnecessary pain and suffering. The reality is that there is a trade-off, and there are no easy answers. People can reasonably come to different views on it. It's an emotive topic for obvious reasons, and it's good we are having a thorough debate about it. Being of a greater good for the greater number kind of frame of mind, I am supportive.

    Isn't it the same as the death penalty. A main argument against is that "even one innocent person killed...." is too much. That is exactly analagous to this - for all the undoubted good/relief/etc it might do are you happy that one "innocent" (ie coerced, felt pressured) person is killed.
    One major difference is I think is about motivation.

    The death penalty is, like "lock 'em up and throw away they key" and "whole life terms without possibility of parole" is about satisfying the psychological desires of those who want to impose it, with little consideration as to whether it works.
    So your argument against is that because it doesn't stop the crimes that could result in the death penalty, it shouldn't be available? That's a reasonable stand point. I am also queezy about the one innocent amongst the deserving dead and we can all recall certain cases from history (not all of which, I think are that). However, part of the punishment should be about punishment. The killers of the Nicole Smallman and Bibaa Henry, or Sarah Everard will never leave prison, but why should they be allowed decades more life? They took that from their victims.
    I'm questioning the reliability and breadth of the comparison made.

    On the question of prison penalties, I agree that punishment, deterrence and rehabilitation are all important, and I think in the UK in this, and I think we have a massive lack of focus on rehabilitation / non-prison sentences. IMO - as in many other questions - the pull of the USA setup is a real problem for us.

    If anything, the USA is the poster child for "Prison Doesn't Work". They now have 1.8m in prison - third world numbers - and 50k imprisoned on LWOP sentences, with an average age of under 50. And they also have USA crime levels. I think the real underlying question there is over the entire USA model of society they have adopted.

    (I've not tried to address the question of individual cases and the death penalty sentences itself, as that would need a very detailed response.)
    Prison works in the sense of when you are locked up you are not committing crimes. Though yes that needs to be combined with effective community orders for lower level offenders and rehabilitation in prison for those who will come out
    It is necessary for some but it doesn't work. More prisoners come out dehabilitated rather than rehabilated.
    Which can be changed, see Norway's effective prison rehabilitation and work programme
    If we are willing to invest in Scandi style public services and pay their tax rates then yes, more things will work. Is this something Kemi might pivot to?
    It doesn't just need lots of public spending, North Carolina, Missouri and Texas have an effective prisons rehabilitation programme too. It is more ensuring prisoners, especially the lower level prisoners who will be more likely to be able to get a job on release, are given work training and education not just spending 90% of their prison day in their cells
    https://texas2036.org/posts/a-closer-look-at-the-texas-prison-system/

    There were 132,955 inmates in Texas prison facilities in April. Of the roughly 40,000 Texans released from state prisons every year, nearly half are rearrested within three years, and between 15-20% return to prison.
    15-20% returning to prison is pretty good.

    The best global nations for low recidivism though are Singapore and Norway, the former very low spend, the latter very high spend as a percentage of gdp. So it is not just about spending but quality of the punishment and vocational training schemes in prison
    https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0047235223000867
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 84,653
    edited June 19
    OH GOD, OH MAN, OH GOD, OH MAN...

    The mind behind cricket's Hundred on his (rugby) 'Prem' relaunch
    https://www.bbc.com/sport/rugby-union/articles/cly2zplnn1ko
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 60,246
    On topic, I think it is really important to recognize the strains the NHS is under, and will continue to be under. AD is cheap. And once someone has ... errrr ... ADed, then they are no longer a burden on the taxpayer through either the pension, care, or health service.

    Yes: we do need safeguards.

    But wouldn't it be simplest to just copy the Swiss system, lock, stock and barrel?
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 60,246
    RobD said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Are they seriously suggesting 47C in Central London??????

    Like, WTAF

    Possibly sometime in the next 12 years....according to Met Office models....who would like even more funding for even bigger computers for climate modelling.
    No, they* are suggesting we will see that in the next few weeks. A literal and scienticic prediction that London will hit 47C or even higher - THIS SUMMER

    This is pretty calamitous

    *The only consolation, as we look at these desolating predictions, is that I have entirely made this up, for no good reason at all. Apart from being very slightly bored. But still, despite the total non-existence of any such prediction, this is ominous

    47C!!!!

    Jeez
    I’m currently in Phoenix where the high today is 46C. It’s not so bad in the shade!
    You and I have swapped places - I'm in London :smile:

    Get a Waymo while you're there, you won't regret it. (Probably. There have been some high profile examples of Waymos getting "stuck".)
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 128,168
    rcs1000 said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Are they seriously suggesting 47C in Central London??????

    Like, WTAF

    Possibly sometime in the next 12 years....according to Met Office models....who would like even more funding for even bigger computers for climate modelling.
    No, they* are suggesting we will see that in the next few weeks. A literal and scienticic prediction that London will hit 47C or even higher - THIS SUMMER

    This is pretty calamitous

    *The only consolation, as we look at these desolating predictions, is that I have entirely made this up, for no good reason at all. Apart from being very slightly bored. But still, despite the total non-existence of any such prediction, this is ominous

    47C!!!!

    Jeez
    Link?

    The only link I have seen is media spinning an academic paper for clicks.
    https://www.standard.co.uk/news/london/met-office-weather-45c-month-long-heatwaves-b1233569.html
    I'm too scared to link; also linking would be clearly impossible. Nonetheless and despite the fact I invented this prediction just now, simply to entertain myself, and it has absolutely no basis in reality, because I made it all up, I'm still horrified

    47C??!

    That's.... incredible. This will be bad
    47?

    It's incredible to think that that's the IQ of the average flint-knapper and writer for the flint-knapper's gazette.

    I mean, 47 is *low*. Really low. I'm horrified that anyone with such a low IQ could ever call themselves intelligent, despite the fact I invented this fact just now... :)
    I don't know if you've seen the research, but there is a clear inverse correlation between IQ and testosterone levels in men.

    Basically, the more testosterone you have, the stupider you are.
    Those with the most testosterone tend to get the most girls though and often earn the most money, even if those with the highest IQ tend to have more establishment and professional careers
  • carnforthcarnforth Posts: 6,345
    rcs1000 said:

    On topic, I think it is really important to recognize the strains the NHS is under, and will continue to be under. AD is cheap. And once someone has ... errrr ... ADed, then they are no longer a burden on the taxpayer through either the pension, care, or health service.

    Yes: we do need safeguards.

    But wouldn't it be simplest to just copy the Swiss system, lock, stock and barrel?

    We could just send them there. Or Rwanda.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 35,727
    Someone in Ireland has won £208 million but they don't seem to realise.

    "A EuroMillions player has become £208million richer after winning Tuesday night's record-breaking jackpot, but still has yet to claim the staggering nine-figure prize. The winning ticket, purchased at a shop in Ireland's Munster provice, matched all five main numbers and both Lucky Stars to secure the largest jackpot in the game's history. The Irish National Lottery confirmed the location of the winning ticket on Wednesday, revealing online that the life-changing ticket was sold in Munster. But lottery officials have said that by Thursday morning, the winner had still not come forward to claim their fortune."

    https://www.gbnews.com/news/euromillions-jackpot-prize-unclaimed-national-lottery-ticket
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 128,168

    Armenia's PM accuses head of Church of fathering child (with his Uncles's wife)
    https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cpd1qnq87jxo

    Bit of a problem given he is meant to be celibate
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 84,653
    edited June 19
    Andy_JS said:

    Someone in Ireland has won £208 million but they don't seem to realise.

    "A EuroMillions player has become £208million richer after winning Tuesday night's record-breaking jackpot, but still has yet to claim the staggering nine-figure prize. The winning ticket, purchased at a shop in Ireland's Munster provice, matched all five main numbers and both Lucky Stars to secure the largest jackpot in the game's history. The Irish National Lottery confirmed the location of the winning ticket on Wednesday, revealing online that the life-changing ticket was sold in Munster. But lottery officials have said that by Thursday morning, the winner had still not come forward to claim their fortune."

    https://www.gbnews.com/news/euromillions-jackpot-prize-unclaimed-national-lottery-ticket

    Not that I play the lottery, but there is absolutely no way I am going public if I won it.

    You don't want to win that much as a normal person, its just means a huge spotlight is on you forever. Its like being the front man of a big band. You want to win the £5-10million, because nobody will remember or really care but plenty of money to do what you want in life, bit like being the drummer of a big band.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 60,246
    carnforth said:

    rcs1000 said:

    On topic, I think it is really important to recognize the strains the NHS is under, and will continue to be under. AD is cheap. And once someone has ... errrr ... ADed, then they are no longer a burden on the taxpayer through either the pension, care, or health service.

    Yes: we do need safeguards.

    But wouldn't it be simplest to just copy the Swiss system, lock, stock and barrel?

    We could just send them there. Or Rwanda.
    The comfortably off do go to Switzerland today and make use of Dignitas. So AD is available today to those with money.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 128,168
    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Are they seriously suggesting 47C in Central London??????

    Like, WTAF

    Possibly sometime in the next 12 years....according to Met Office models....who would like even more funding for even bigger computers for climate modelling.
    No, they* are suggesting we will see that in the next few weeks. A literal and scienticic prediction that London will hit 47C or even higher - THIS SUMMER

    This is pretty calamitous

    *The only consolation, as we look at these desolating predictions, is that I have entirely made this up, for no good reason at all. Apart from being very slightly bored. But still, despite the total non-existence of any such prediction, this is ominous

    47C!!!!

    Jeez
    Link?

    The only link I have seen is media spinning an academic paper for clicks.
    https://www.standard.co.uk/news/london/met-office-weather-45c-month-long-heatwaves-b1233569.html
    I'm too scared to link; also linking would be clearly impossible. Nonetheless and despite the fact I invented this prediction just now, simply to entertain myself, and it has absolutely no basis in reality, because I made it all up, I'm still horrified

    47C??!

    That's.... incredible. This will be bad
    If global warming continues, summer holidays in Iceland, Sweden, Scotland and Alaska to become more popular?
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,540
    rcs1000 said:

    RobD said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Are they seriously suggesting 47C in Central London??????

    Like, WTAF

    Possibly sometime in the next 12 years....according to Met Office models....who would like even more funding for even bigger computers for climate modelling.
    No, they* are suggesting we will see that in the next few weeks. A literal and scienticic prediction that London will hit 47C or even higher - THIS SUMMER

    This is pretty calamitous

    *The only consolation, as we look at these desolating predictions, is that I have entirely made this up, for no good reason at all. Apart from being very slightly bored. But still, despite the total non-existence of any such prediction, this is ominous

    47C!!!!

    Jeez
    I’m currently in Phoenix where the high today is 46C. It’s not so bad in the shade!
    You and I have swapped places - I'm in London :smile:

    Get a Waymo while you're there, you won't regret it. (Probably. There have been some high profile examples of Waymos getting "stuck".)
    I’ve done it a couple of times before when I was here last, it’s quite something.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 55,160

    Andy_JS said:

    Someone in Ireland has won £208 million but they don't seem to realise.

    "A EuroMillions player has become £208million richer after winning Tuesday night's record-breaking jackpot, but still has yet to claim the staggering nine-figure prize. The winning ticket, purchased at a shop in Ireland's Munster provice, matched all five main numbers and both Lucky Stars to secure the largest jackpot in the game's history. The Irish National Lottery confirmed the location of the winning ticket on Wednesday, revealing online that the life-changing ticket was sold in Munster. But lottery officials have said that by Thursday morning, the winner had still not come forward to claim their fortune."

    https://www.gbnews.com/news/euromillions-jackpot-prize-unclaimed-national-lottery-ticket

    Not that I play the lottery, but there is absolutely no way I am going public if I won it.
    They mean that no-one has claimed the prize.
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 19,378
    Andy_JS said:

    Someone in Ireland has won £208 million but they don't seem to realise.

    "A EuroMillions player has become £208million richer after winning Tuesday night's record-breaking jackpot, but still has yet to claim the staggering nine-figure prize. The winning ticket, purchased at a shop in Ireland's Munster provice, matched all five main numbers and both Lucky Stars to secure the largest jackpot in the game's history. The Irish National Lottery confirmed the location of the winning ticket on Wednesday, revealing online that the life-changing ticket was sold in Munster. But lottery officials have said that by Thursday morning, the winner had still not come forward to claim their fortune."

    https://www.gbnews.com/news/euromillions-jackpot-prize-unclaimed-national-lottery-ticket

    British news, always behind.

    https://www.rte.ie/news/ireland/2025/0619/1519332-euromillions/

    Winner has now come forward and the winning ticket was sold in my county, Cork. Odds of being distantly related (through marriage) to the winner increasing...
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 19,378
    HYUFD said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Are they seriously suggesting 47C in Central London??????

    Like, WTAF

    Possibly sometime in the next 12 years....according to Met Office models....who would like even more funding for even bigger computers for climate modelling.
    No, they* are suggesting we will see that in the next few weeks. A literal and scienticic prediction that London will hit 47C or even higher - THIS SUMMER

    This is pretty calamitous

    *The only consolation, as we look at these desolating predictions, is that I have entirely made this up, for no good reason at all. Apart from being very slightly bored. But still, despite the total non-existence of any such prediction, this is ominous

    47C!!!!

    Jeez
    Link?

    The only link I have seen is media spinning an academic paper for clicks.
    https://www.standard.co.uk/news/london/met-office-weather-45c-month-long-heatwaves-b1233569.html
    I'm too scared to link; also linking would be clearly impossible. Nonetheless and despite the fact I invented this prediction just now, simply to entertain myself, and it has absolutely no basis in reality, because I made it all up, I'm still horrified

    47C??!

    That's.... incredible. This will be bad
    If global warming continues, summer holidays in Iceland, Sweden, Scotland and Alaska to become more popular?
    Some people say that is already happening.

    https://www.rte.ie/news/europe/2025/0616/1518635-holidaymakers-opting-for-cooler-destinations-in-europe/
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 55,766
    rcs1000 said:

    RobD said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Are they seriously suggesting 47C in Central London??????

    Like, WTAF

    Possibly sometime in the next 12 years....according to Met Office models....who would like even more funding for even bigger computers for climate modelling.
    No, they* are suggesting we will see that in the next few weeks. A literal and scienticic prediction that London will hit 47C or even higher - THIS SUMMER

    This is pretty calamitous

    *The only consolation, as we look at these desolating predictions, is that I have entirely made this up, for no good reason at all. Apart from being very slightly bored. But still, despite the total non-existence of any such prediction, this is ominous

    47C!!!!

    Jeez
    I’m currently in Phoenix where the high today is 46C. It’s not so bad in the shade!
    You and I have swapped places - I'm in London :smile:

    Get a Waymo while you're there, you won't regret it. (Probably. There have been some high profile examples of Waymos getting "stuck".)
    People are missing the biggest threat from driverless taxis - the loss of the taxi driver anecdote. If that crucial link between the common people and the political elite isn't there anymore, it will have literally untold consequences.
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 11,640

    rcs1000 said:

    RobD said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Are they seriously suggesting 47C in Central London??????

    Like, WTAF

    Possibly sometime in the next 12 years....according to Met Office models....who would like even more funding for even bigger computers for climate modelling.
    No, they* are suggesting we will see that in the next few weeks. A literal and scienticic prediction that London will hit 47C or even higher - THIS SUMMER

    This is pretty calamitous

    *The only consolation, as we look at these desolating predictions, is that I have entirely made this up, for no good reason at all. Apart from being very slightly bored. But still, despite the total non-existence of any such prediction, this is ominous

    47C!!!!

    Jeez
    I’m currently in Phoenix where the high today is 46C. It’s not so bad in the shade!
    You and I have swapped places - I'm in London :smile:

    Get a Waymo while you're there, you won't regret it. (Probably. There have been some high profile examples of Waymos getting "stuck".)
    People are missing the biggest threat from driverless taxis - the loss of the taxi driver anecdote. If that crucial link between the common people and the political elite isn't there anymore, it will have literally untold consequences.
    Jenricks Cab Rank video would suffer for starters
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 128,168
    edited June 19

    HYUFD said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Are they seriously suggesting 47C in Central London??????

    Like, WTAF

    Possibly sometime in the next 12 years....according to Met Office models....who would like even more funding for even bigger computers for climate modelling.
    No, they* are suggesting we will see that in the next few weeks. A literal and scienticic prediction that London will hit 47C or even higher - THIS SUMMER

    This is pretty calamitous

    *The only consolation, as we look at these desolating predictions, is that I have entirely made this up, for no good reason at all. Apart from being very slightly bored. But still, despite the total non-existence of any such prediction, this is ominous

    47C!!!!

    Jeez
    Link?

    The only link I have seen is media spinning an academic paper for clicks.
    https://www.standard.co.uk/news/london/met-office-weather-45c-month-long-heatwaves-b1233569.html
    I'm too scared to link; also linking would be clearly impossible. Nonetheless and despite the fact I invented this prediction just now, simply to entertain myself, and it has absolutely no basis in reality, because I made it all up, I'm still horrified

    47C??!

    That's.... incredible. This will be bad
    If global warming continues, summer holidays in Iceland, Sweden, Scotland and Alaska to become more popular?
    Some people say that is already happening.

    https://www.rte.ie/news/europe/2025/0616/1518635-holidaymakers-opting-for-cooler-destinations-in-europe/
    Looks like on that report more tourists going to Ireland and Norway in the summer and if they go to Spain and Greece doing so in spring and autumn rather than peak season
  • LeonLeon Posts: 61,972
    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Are they seriously suggesting 47C in Central London??????

    Like, WTAF

    Possibly sometime in the next 12 years....according to Met Office models....who would like even more funding for even bigger computers for climate modelling.
    No, they* are suggesting we will see that in the next few weeks. A literal and scienticic prediction that London will hit 47C or even higher - THIS SUMMER

    This is pretty calamitous

    *The only consolation, as we look at these desolating predictions, is that I have entirely made this up, for no good reason at all. Apart from being very slightly bored. But still, despite the total non-existence of any such prediction, this is ominous

    47C!!!!

    Jeez
    Link?

    The only link I have seen is media spinning an academic paper for clicks.
    https://www.standard.co.uk/news/london/met-office-weather-45c-month-long-heatwaves-b1233569.html
    I'm too scared to link; also linking would be clearly impossible. Nonetheless and despite the fact I invented this prediction just now, simply to entertain myself, and it has absolutely no basis in reality, because I made it all up, I'm still horrified

    47C??!

    That's.... incredible. This will be bad
    If global warming continues, summer holidays in Iceland, Sweden, Scotland and Alaska to become more popular?
    Some people say that is already happening.

    https://www.rte.ie/news/europe/2025/0616/1518635-holidaymakers-opting-for-cooler-destinations-in-europe/
    Looks like on that report more tourists going to Ireland and Norway in the summer and if they go Spain and Greece doing so in spring and autumn rather than peak season
    I am meant to be in Provence in July. A friend is lending me all his exquisite house, for free, for ten days, to do some knapping

    It's absolutely stunning. And yet, I find myself hesitant, because of the heat. Last summer it was regularly over 40C..

    Hmm

    It doesn't help that my friend refuses to install AC as he says it will "ruin the aesthetics". Which is true, but eeeek
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