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  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 11,545
    Seems to be evidence of growing problems with Downing Street comms and the media. Cant go into why because of the 'ammer but todays briefing was apparently a disaster with no answers to any of the questions.
    SKS hiding away overseas where he is most comfortable
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 122,362

    BBC BREAKING NEWS...Yellow Health Alert, temperature sets to be 28o in London this week, maybe getting up to 33o by the weekend...

    Are we getting a bit silly with these, its not 40+. Most people have been on a foreign holiday to Europe in the summer where it is that hot every day.

    Absolutely, its not a heatwave, its summer.
    Mortality is far far worse in hot weather than in cold for the elderly. We don't do summer air con payments though.
    Few years ago now but at the time I started writing for a new client and had to cry off my very first day of work because of the heat. Luckily it was the hottest day recorded ever in the UK, so that did at least make it look more reasonable and a bit less wet blanket.
    It annoys me that we built the Cairo to Khartoum railway but a little bit of heat in the UK brings the trains to a standstill.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 84,582

    Seems to be evidence of growing problems with Downing Street comms and the media. Cant go into why because of the 'ammer but todays briefing was apparently a disaster with no answers to any of the questions.
    SKS hiding away overseas where he is most comfortable

    Drinking British Pints talking about British Jobs for British Workers....
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 11,545
    edited June 17

    Andy_JS said:

    "Families of British Air India crash victims 'feel utterly abandoned' and hit out at government"

    https://news.sky.com/story/we-feel-utterly-abandoned-families-of-british-air-india-crash-victims-criticise-uk-governments-response-13384497

    To quote from that article:

    “ "There is no UK leadership here, no medical team, no crisis professionals stationed at the hospital," said a family spokesperson.”

    I’m not certain why there should be a UK medical team or crisis professionals stationed at a hospital in India. It is a terrible, terrible tragedy for the families, but these things are not the responsibility of the UK government, are they?
    50+ victims were British citizens.
    So say it had happened in Birmingham - would we be expecting an Indian medical team to fly over to here?

    Its a mad complaint.
    Consulate staff should certainly be on hand and always have been in situations like this.
    We fly emergency response teams to other disasters, with or without British citizen involvement
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 84,582

    Seems to be evidence of growing problems with Downing Street comms and the media. Cant go into why because of the 'ammer but todays briefing was apparently a disaster with no answers to any of the questions.
    SKS hiding away overseas where he is most comfortable

    There is some serious gaslighting / rewriting of history of previous statements going on.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 61,908
    Extraordinary levels of anger against the Labour government over on t'TwitterX

    Never seen anything like it. Seething disgust

    It will be interesting to see if this translates into polling....
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 11,545

    Seems to be evidence of growing problems with Downing Street comms and the media. Cant go into why because of the 'ammer but todays briefing was apparently a disaster with no answers to any of the questions.
    SKS hiding away overseas where he is most comfortable

    Drinking British Pints talking about British Jobs for British Workers....
    And enjoying the scenery on behalf of the folks back home.
    Our hero.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 84,582
    edited June 17
    Leon said:

    Extraordinary levels of anger against the Labour government over on t'TwitterX

    Never seen anything like it. Seething disgust

    It will be interesting to see if this translates into polling....

    But Brittas called for the audit, he has read the audit and he agrees with the recommendations of the audit....end of statement. No idea why people are getting angry.
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 62,641

    BBC BREAKING NEWS...Yellow Health Alert, temperature sets to be 28o in London this week, maybe getting up to 33o by the weekend...

    Are we getting a bit silly with these, its not 40+. Most people have been on a foreign holiday to Europe in the summer where it is that hot every day.

    Absolutely, its not a heatwave, its summer.
    Mortality is far far worse in hot weather than in cold for the elderly. We don't do summer air con payments though.
    Few years ago now but at the time I started writing for a new client and had to cry off my very first day of work because of the heat. Luckily it was the hottest day recorded ever in the UK, so that did at least make it look more reasonable and a bit less wet blanket.
    It annoys me that we built the Cairo to Khartoum railway but a little bit of heat in the UK brings the trains to a standstill.
    If it makes you feel any better my small, south-facing office easily becomes a cooker. Glad the worst of the heat is over the weekend, but it'll probably somewhat curtail activity at the end of this and start of next week.

    One of the reasons I work early is to help mitigate the problem of summer heat. 'Only' 26C is way more in here.
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 11,545
    edited June 17
    Leon said:

    Extraordinary levels of anger against the Labour government over on t'TwitterX

    Never seen anything like it. Seething disgust

    It will be interesting to see if this translates into polling....

    They arent ready for the level of anger bubbling over.
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 14,790
    edited June 17


    Theo Bertram
    @theobertram
    ·
    3h
    The Catch 22 of British politics is that to win a second term you need to tackle the cost of living but to tackle the underlying causes of the cost of living (increase housing supply, build new energy plants) you need two terms.
    Theo Bertram
    @theobertram
    ·
    3h
    Solving this Catch 22 is the key to avoiding a doom loop of failed progress & populism. Part of my answer would be to make Permanent Secretaries not only accountable for progress on 10 year goals but for public confidence in those goals. Progress needs to be metered & clear.

    https://x.com/theobertram/status/1934882411994558905

    In other words, the most patriotic thing the opposition can do right now is make themselves unelectable enough that the next election is a boring walkover. (One of Blair's failures was to largely fail to seize the opportunity presented to him by Hague, IDS and Howard.)

    On that basis, the Conservatives are being true patriots right now.
    China doesn't take a decade to build new energy plants, I'm not sure why we should.
    China isn't a democracy.

    EDIT: Also, I think 5 waste to energy plans are being built in Scotland right not, in less than a decade.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 122,362

    BBC BREAKING NEWS...Yellow Health Alert, temperature sets to be 28o in London this week, maybe getting up to 33o by the weekend...

    Are we getting a bit silly with these, its not 40+. Most people have been on a foreign holiday to Europe in the summer where it is that hot every day.

    Absolutely, its not a heatwave, its summer.
    Mortality is far far worse in hot weather than in cold for the elderly. We don't do summer air con payments though.
    Few years ago now but at the time I started writing for a new client and had to cry off my very first day of work because of the heat. Luckily it was the hottest day recorded ever in the UK, so that did at least make it look more reasonable and a bit less wet blanket.
    It annoys me that we built the Cairo to Khartoum railway but a little bit of heat in the UK brings the trains to a standstill.
    If it makes you feel any better my small, south-facing office easily becomes a cooker. Glad the worst of the heat is over the weekend, but it'll probably somewhat curtail activity at the end of this and start of next week.

    One of the reasons I work early is to help mitigate the problem of summer heat. 'Only' 26C is way more in here.
    I feel your pain, part of my house has air con which is a bliss, but where I WFH is an east facing glass oven, but I am grateful for having Dyson blade less fans, they are amazing.
  • TresTres Posts: 2,877

    BBC BREAKING NEWS...Yellow Health Alert, temperature sets to be 28o in London this week, maybe getting up to 33o by the weekend...

    Are we getting a bit silly with these, its not 40+. Most people have been on a foreign holiday to Europe in the summer where it is that hot every day.

    And that's why it's yellow not red. I'm gonna put you on a yellow fucking idiot alert.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 84,582
    edited June 17

    BBC BREAKING NEWS...Yellow Health Alert, temperature sets to be 28o in London this week, maybe getting up to 33o by the weekend...

    Are we getting a bit silly with these, its not 40+. Most people have been on a foreign holiday to Europe in the summer where it is that hot every day.

    Absolutely, its not a heatwave, its summer.
    Mortality is far far worse in hot weather than in cold for the elderly. We don't do summer air con payments though.
    Few years ago now but at the time I started writing for a new client and had to cry off my very first day of work because of the heat. Luckily it was the hottest day recorded ever in the UK, so that did at least make it look more reasonable and a bit less wet blanket.
    It annoys me that we built the Cairo to Khartoum railway but a little bit of heat in the UK brings the trains to a standstill.
    If it makes you feel any better my small, south-facing office easily becomes a cooker. Glad the worst of the heat is over the weekend, but it'll probably somewhat curtail activity at the end of this and start of next week.

    One of the reasons I work early is to help mitigate the problem of summer heat. 'Only' 26C is way more in here.
    I feel your pain, part of my house has air con which is a bliss, but where I WFH is an east facing glass oven, but I am grateful for having Dyson blade less fans, they are amazing.
    You want a VacMaster Air Mover Fan.....
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 122,362
    I need some of you to re-read to the first post on this thread.

    At 2pm I am powering up the spambot/Vanilla AI and you saw how effective that was on Saturday evening.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 84,582
    edited June 17
    Tres said:

    BBC BREAKING NEWS...Yellow Health Alert, temperature sets to be 28o in London this week, maybe getting up to 33o by the weekend...

    Are we getting a bit silly with these, its not 40+. Most people have been on a foreign holiday to Europe in the summer where it is that hot every day.

    And that's why it's yellow not red. I'm gonna put you on a yellow fucking idiot alert.
    Yes I know....my criticism was the BBC going all BREAKKKKKKKKKKKKKINNNNNGGGG NEWSSSSSSSSS....over something that is basically a routine message whenever temperature rise above a certain level.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 60,219

    Catherine Belton
    @CatherineBelton
    ·
    15h
    As Israel expands its attacks deeper into Iran, nervousness is growing in Russia that the Israeli attacks could lead to regime change in Iran & the potential loss of one of Russia’s most important allies in its efforts to create an “anti-Western alliance”

    https://x.com/CatherineBelton/status/1934698367113687247


    Oh dear how sad etc...

    Nothing would make me happier than to see the Iranian regime fall. (Well, except perhaps the fall of the current Russian regime.)
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 14,790

    Andy_JS said:

    "Families of British Air India crash victims 'feel utterly abandoned' and hit out at government"

    https://news.sky.com/story/we-feel-utterly-abandoned-families-of-british-air-india-crash-victims-criticise-uk-governments-response-13384497

    To quote from that article:

    “ "There is no UK leadership here, no medical team, no crisis professionals stationed at the hospital," said a family spokesperson.”

    I’m not certain why there should be a UK medical team or crisis professionals stationed at a hospital in India. It is a terrible, terrible tragedy for the families, but these things are not the responsibility of the UK government, are they?
    50+ victims were British citizens.
    So say it had happened in Birmingham - would we be expecting an Indian medical team to fly over to here?

    Its a mad complaint.
    Consulate staff should certainly be on hand and always have been in situations like this.
    We fly emergency response teams to other disasters, with or without British citizen involvement
    Consulate staff have gone there and are on hand. But the complaint was they were based 20 minutes away, rather than based at the hospital.

    Emergency response teams are generally for rescuing the living, which sadly isn't relevant in this case.
  • MonkeysMonkeys Posts: 775
    Turkey must be feeling left out. Must have their eye on northern Syria. I wonder if the Kurds will unite under one flag before the end of the decade.
  • PhilPhil Posts: 2,714

    Seems to be evidence of growing problems with Downing Street comms and the media. Cant go into why because of the 'ammer but todays briefing was apparently a disaster with no answers to any of the questions.
    SKS hiding away overseas where he is most comfortable

    To be fair to SKS, attending the G7 & signing a trade agreement with the US are a more immediate priority that cannot be moved to suit domestic politics, no matter how important a given topic might be.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 78,302

    Andy_JS said:

    "Families of British Air India crash victims 'feel utterly abandoned' and hit out at government"

    https://news.sky.com/story/we-feel-utterly-abandoned-families-of-british-air-india-crash-victims-criticise-uk-governments-response-13384497

    To quote from that article:

    “ "There is no UK leadership here, no medical team, no crisis professionals stationed at the hospital," said a family spokesperson.”

    I’m not certain why there should be a UK medical team or crisis professionals stationed at a hospital in India. It is a terrible, terrible tragedy for the families, but these things are not the responsibility of the UK government, are they?
    The only reason I can come up with is that out DNA rapid sequencing technology is likely far better than what's available locally, and might help in identifying victims.
    Which is reportedly a serious problem there.
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 14,790

    Leon said:

    Extraordinary levels of anger against the Labour government over on t'TwitterX

    Never seen anything like it. Seething disgust

    It will be interesting to see if this translates into polling....

    But Brittas called for the audit, he has read the audit and he agrees with the recommendations of the audit....end of statement. No idea why people are getting angry.
    Anger on Twitter has very little to do with events in real world. People on Twitter are always angry. Polling is much more informative.
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 14,790


    Theo Bertram
    @theobertram
    ·
    3h
    The Catch 22 of British politics is that to win a second term you need to tackle the cost of living but to tackle the underlying causes of the cost of living (increase housing supply, build new energy plants) you need two terms.
    Theo Bertram
    @theobertram
    ·
    3h
    Solving this Catch 22 is the key to avoiding a doom loop of failed progress & populism. Part of my answer would be to make Permanent Secretaries not only accountable for progress on 10 year goals but for public confidence in those goals. Progress needs to be metered & clear.

    https://x.com/theobertram/status/1934882411994558905

    In other words, the most patriotic thing the opposition can do right now is make themselves unelectable enough that the next election is a boring walkover. (One of Blair's failures was to largely fail to seize the opportunity presented to him by Hague, IDS and Howard.)

    On that basis, the Conservatives are being true patriots right now.
    China doesn't take a decade to build new energy plants, I'm not sure why we should.
    China isn't a democracy.

    EDIT: Also, I think 5 waste to energy plans are being built in Scotland right not, in less than a decade.
    *now
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 84,582
    edited June 17
    Phil said:

    Seems to be evidence of growing problems with Downing Street comms and the media. Cant go into why because of the 'ammer but todays briefing was apparently a disaster with no answers to any of the questions.
    SKS hiding away overseas where he is most comfortable

    To be fair to SKS, attending the G7 & signing a trade agreement with the US are a more immediate priority that cannot be moved to suit domestic politics, no matter how important a given topic might be.
    Some might say convenient release date. I believe Starmer got this report 2 weeks ago.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 61,908

    Leon said:

    Extraordinary levels of anger against the Labour government over on t'TwitterX

    Never seen anything like it. Seething disgust

    It will be interesting to see if this translates into polling....

    But Brittas called for the audit, he has read the audit and he agrees with the recommendations of the audit....end of statement. No idea why people are getting angry.
    Anger on Twitter has very little to do with events in real world. People on Twitter are always angry. Polling is much more informative.
    Agreed. Social media is DESIGNED to create anger. Therefore we must wait for actual polls

  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 31,751


    Theo Bertram
    @theobertram
    ·
    3h
    The Catch 22 of British politics is that to win a second term you need to tackle the cost of living but to tackle the underlying causes of the cost of living (increase housing supply, build new energy plants) you need two terms.
    Theo Bertram
    @theobertram
    ·
    3h
    Solving this Catch 22 is the key to avoiding a doom loop of failed progress & populism. Part of my answer would be to make Permanent Secretaries not only accountable for progress on 10 year goals but for public confidence in those goals. Progress needs to be metered & clear.

    https://x.com/theobertram/status/1934882411994558905

    In other words, the most patriotic thing the opposition can do right now is make themselves unelectable enough that the next election is a boring walkover. (One of Blair's failures was to largely fail to seize the opportunity presented to him by Hague, IDS and Howard.)

    On that basis, the Conservatives are being true patriots right now.
    China doesn't take a decade to build new energy plants, I'm not sure why we should.
    China isn't a democracy.

    EDIT: Also, I think 5 waste to energy plans are being built in Scotland right not, in less than a decade.
    Well get your story straight, is it impossible without crushing the people under the communist heel, or is it quite possible and we're already doing it?
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 54,584

    BBC BREAKING NEWS...Yellow Health Alert, temperature sets to be 28o in London this week, maybe getting up to 33o by the weekend...

    Are we getting a bit silly with these, its not 40+. Most people have been on a foreign holiday to Europe in the summer where it is that hot every day.

    Absolutely, its not a heatwave, its summer.
    Mortality is far far worse in hot weather than in cold for the elderly. We don't do summer air con payments though.
    Few years ago now but at the time I started writing for a new client and had to cry off my very first day of work because of the heat. Luckily it was the hottest day recorded ever in the UK, so that did at least make it look more reasonable and a bit less wet blanket.
    It annoys me that we built the Cairo to Khartoum railway but a little bit of heat in the UK brings the trains to a standstill.
    If it makes you feel any better my small, south-facing office easily becomes a cooker. Glad the worst of the heat is over the weekend, but it'll probably somewhat curtail activity at the end of this and start of next week.

    One of the reasons I work early is to help mitigate the problem of summer heat. 'Only' 26C is way more in here.
    Mr Dancer, I'd forgotten how much I hate space travel hot weather!
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 31,751
    Monkeys said:

    Turkey must be feeling left out. Must have their eye on northern Syria. I wonder if the Kurds will unite under one flag before the end of the decade.

    I just don't see them all fitting underneath one flag.
  • PhilPhil Posts: 2,714


    Theo Bertram
    @theobertram
    ·
    3h
    The Catch 22 of British politics is that to win a second term you need to tackle the cost of living but to tackle the underlying causes of the cost of living (increase housing supply, build new energy plants) you need two terms.
    Theo Bertram
    @theobertram
    ·
    3h
    Solving this Catch 22 is the key to avoiding a doom loop of failed progress & populism. Part of my answer would be to make Permanent Secretaries not only accountable for progress on 10 year goals but for public confidence in those goals. Progress needs to be metered & clear.

    https://x.com/theobertram/status/1934882411994558905

    In other words, the most patriotic thing the opposition can do right now is make themselves unelectable enough that the next election is a boring walkover. (One of Blair's failures was to largely fail to seize the opportunity presented to him by Hague, IDS and Howard.)

    On that basis, the Conservatives are being true patriots right now.
    China doesn't take a decade to build new energy plants, I'm not sure why we should.
    China isn't a democracy.

    EDIT: Also, I think 5 waste to energy plans are being built in Scotland right not, in less than a decade.
    We didn’t take a decade back in the 50s or 60s either. See the Stonehaven report I linked to previously for an analysis of the legal barriers to “just building things” that have built up in the UK since the early 70s.
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 14,790


    Theo Bertram
    @theobertram
    ·
    3h
    The Catch 22 of British politics is that to win a second term you need to tackle the cost of living but to tackle the underlying causes of the cost of living (increase housing supply, build new energy plants) you need two terms.
    Theo Bertram
    @theobertram
    ·
    3h
    Solving this Catch 22 is the key to avoiding a doom loop of failed progress & populism. Part of my answer would be to make Permanent Secretaries not only accountable for progress on 10 year goals but for public confidence in those goals. Progress needs to be metered & clear.

    https://x.com/theobertram/status/1934882411994558905

    In other words, the most patriotic thing the opposition can do right now is make themselves unelectable enough that the next election is a boring walkover. (One of Blair's failures was to largely fail to seize the opportunity presented to him by Hague, IDS and Howard.)

    On that basis, the Conservatives are being true patriots right now.
    China doesn't take a decade to build new energy plants, I'm not sure why we should.
    China isn't a democracy.

    EDIT: Also, I think 5 waste to energy plans are being built in Scotland right not, in less than a decade.
    Well get your story straight, is it impossible without crushing the people under the communist heel, or is it quite possible and we're already doing it?
    Both! It is possible and we're doing it, but we shouldn't be benchmarking ourselves against China.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 61,908
    Ye TwitterX is claiming, inter alia, that Reeves is about to do a U-turn on her non-dom inheritance tax policy
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 84,582
    edited June 17
    Leon said:

    Ye TwitterX is claiming, inter alia, that Reeves is about to do a U-turn on her non-dom inheritance tax policy

    I think that is based upon Guido story (so massive caveat) earlier that claims the treasury officials have worked out its going to lose money and have been sounding out wealth managers of foreign high net worth individuals about how to change this.

    There have been stories of non-doms just moving their situations around and doing the summer in the UK (but under the number of days to trigger being resident) and setting up base elsewhere for the rest of the year.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 54,584


    Theo Bertram
    @theobertram
    ·
    3h
    The Catch 22 of British politics is that to win a second term you need to tackle the cost of living but to tackle the underlying causes of the cost of living (increase housing supply, build new energy plants) you need two terms.
    Theo Bertram
    @theobertram
    ·
    3h
    Solving this Catch 22 is the key to avoiding a doom loop of failed progress & populism. Part of my answer would be to make Permanent Secretaries not only accountable for progress on 10 year goals but for public confidence in those goals. Progress needs to be metered & clear.

    https://x.com/theobertram/status/1934882411994558905

    In other words, the most patriotic thing the opposition can do right now is make themselves unelectable enough that the next election is a boring walkover. (One of Blair's failures was to largely fail to seize the opportunity presented to him by Hague, IDS and Howard.)

    On that basis, the Conservatives are being true patriots right now.
    China doesn't take a decade to build new energy plants, I'm not sure why we should.
    China isn't a democracy.

    EDIT: Also, I think 5 waste to energy plans are being built in Scotland right not, in less than a decade.
    Well get your story straight, is it impossible without crushing the people under the communist heel, or is it quite possible and we're already doing it?
    Both! It is possible and we're doing it, but we shouldn't be benchmarking ourselves against China.
    China: 25,000 miles of High Speed railways
    UK: 68 miles
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 11,545
    edited June 17

    Leon said:

    Extraordinary levels of anger against the Labour government over on t'TwitterX

    Never seen anything like it. Seething disgust

    It will be interesting to see if this translates into polling....

    But Brittas called for the audit, he has read the audit and he agrees with the recommendations of the audit....end of statement. No idea why people are getting angry.
    Anger on Twitter has very little to do with events in real world. People on Twitter are always angry. Polling is much more informative.
    YouGov had a poll out yesterday on this very subject. One of the most overwhelmingly one sided responses ive ever seen.
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 14,790


    Theo Bertram
    @theobertram
    ·
    3h
    The Catch 22 of British politics is that to win a second term you need to tackle the cost of living but to tackle the underlying causes of the cost of living (increase housing supply, build new energy plants) you need two terms.
    Theo Bertram
    @theobertram
    ·
    3h
    Solving this Catch 22 is the key to avoiding a doom loop of failed progress & populism. Part of my answer would be to make Permanent Secretaries not only accountable for progress on 10 year goals but for public confidence in those goals. Progress needs to be metered & clear.

    https://x.com/theobertram/status/1934882411994558905

    In other words, the most patriotic thing the opposition can do right now is make themselves unelectable enough that the next election is a boring walkover. (One of Blair's failures was to largely fail to seize the opportunity presented to him by Hague, IDS and Howard.)

    On that basis, the Conservatives are being true patriots right now.
    China doesn't take a decade to build new energy plants, I'm not sure why we should.
    China isn't a democracy.

    EDIT: Also, I think 5 waste to energy plans are being built in Scotland right not, in less than a decade.
    Well get your story straight, is it impossible without crushing the people under the communist heel, or is it quite possible and we're already doing it?
    Both! It is possible and we're doing it, but we shouldn't be benchmarking ourselves against China.
    China: 25,000 miles of High Speed railways
    UK: 68 miles
    Japan makes for another good comparison. Japanese high speed rail is fantastic: a service that is quicker, more punctual, nicer, and cheaper than the UK. Buuuuuuuuuuuuut what's the secret to Japan's success there? They spent shitloads of money building it some decades ago.
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 11,545
    Phil said:

    Seems to be evidence of growing problems with Downing Street comms and the media. Cant go into why because of the 'ammer but todays briefing was apparently a disaster with no answers to any of the questions.
    SKS hiding away overseas where he is most comfortable

    To be fair to SKS, attending the G7 & signing a trade agreement with the US are a more immediate priority that cannot be moved to suit domestic politics, no matter how important a given topic might be.
    Maybe he could have got steel tariffs agreed before signing it. Suggests one or the other was desperate for a distraction to me to sign an unfinished negotiation
  • PhilPhil Posts: 2,714

    BBC BREAKING NEWS...Yellow Health Alert, temperature sets to be 28o in London this week, maybe getting up to 33o by the weekend...

    Are we getting a bit silly with these, its not 40+. Most people have been on a foreign holiday to Europe in the summer where it is that hot every day.

    Absolutely, its not a heatwave, its summer.
    Mortality is far far worse in hot weather than in cold for the elderly. We don't do summer air con payments though.
    Few years ago now but at the time I started writing for a new client and had to cry off my very first day of work because of the heat. Luckily it was the hottest day recorded ever in the UK, so that did at least make it look more reasonable and a bit less wet blanket.
    It annoys me that we built the Cairo to Khartoum railway but a little bit of heat in the UK brings the trains to a standstill.
    If it makes you feel any better my small, south-facing office easily becomes a cooker. Glad the worst of the heat is over the weekend, but it'll probably somewhat curtail activity at the end of this and start of next week.

    One of the reasons I work early is to help mitigate the problem of summer heat. 'Only' 26C is way more in here.
    I feel your pain, part of my house has air con which is a bliss, but where I WFH is an east facing glass oven, but I am grateful for having Dyson blade less fans, they are amazing.
    We have sash windows, so I have taken to hanging thermal curtain lining /outside/ the windows, pinching the top between the window frame and the top sash along the upper edge to hold it in place. Works a treat in cutting the solar heating, whilst still letting a reasonable amount of light in. You do lose the view of course.

    An alternative would be to put solar reflective window film on the glass - you can buy stuff that just goes on with a bit of water & reflects as much of the solar radiation as you like. If you want to preserve the view you can get stuff that just reflects the UV & IR whilst letting visible light through - that gets you about a 40% reduction in thermal load IIRC.

    Downside of the higher reflectivity window film is that it turns the windows into mirrors at night - if the lights are on you can’t see out but everyone else can see in!
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 84,582
    edited June 17

    BBC BREAKING NEWS...Yellow Health Alert, temperature sets to be 28o in London this week, maybe getting up to 33o by the weekend...

    Are we getting a bit silly with these, its not 40+. Most people have been on a foreign holiday to Europe in the summer where it is that hot every day.

    Absolutely, its not a heatwave, its summer.
    Mortality is far far worse in hot weather than in cold for the elderly. We don't do summer air con payments though.
    Few years ago now but at the time I started writing for a new client and had to cry off my very first day of work because of the heat. Luckily it was the hottest day recorded ever in the UK, so that did at least make it look more reasonable and a bit less wet blanket.
    It annoys me that we built the Cairo to Khartoum railway but a little bit of heat in the UK brings the trains to a standstill.
    If it makes you feel any better my small, south-facing office easily becomes a cooker. Glad the worst of the heat is over the weekend, but it'll probably somewhat curtail activity at the end of this and start of next week.

    One of the reasons I work early is to help mitigate the problem of summer heat. 'Only' 26C is way more in here.
    I feel your pain, part of my house has air con which is a bliss, but where I WFH is an east facing glass oven, but I am grateful for having Dyson blade less fans, they are amazing.
    You want a VacMaster Air Mover Fan.....
    Where can I buy one?

    Just found this website called OnlyFans, will it be on there?
    Isn't OF now one of the most profitable "tech" businesses in the UK?
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 31,751


    Theo Bertram
    @theobertram
    ·
    3h
    The Catch 22 of British politics is that to win a second term you need to tackle the cost of living but to tackle the underlying causes of the cost of living (increase housing supply, build new energy plants) you need two terms.
    Theo Bertram
    @theobertram
    ·
    3h
    Solving this Catch 22 is the key to avoiding a doom loop of failed progress & populism. Part of my answer would be to make Permanent Secretaries not only accountable for progress on 10 year goals but for public confidence in those goals. Progress needs to be metered & clear.

    https://x.com/theobertram/status/1934882411994558905

    In other words, the most patriotic thing the opposition can do right now is make themselves unelectable enough that the next election is a boring walkover. (One of Blair's failures was to largely fail to seize the opportunity presented to him by Hague, IDS and Howard.)

    On that basis, the Conservatives are being true patriots right now.
    China doesn't take a decade to build new energy plants, I'm not sure why we should.
    China isn't a democracy.

    EDIT: Also, I think 5 waste to energy plans are being built in Scotland right not, in less than a decade.
    Well get your story straight, is it impossible without crushing the people under the communist heel, or is it quite possible and we're already doing it?
    Both! It is possible and we're doing it, but we shouldn't be benchmarking ourselves against China.
    That's a completely contradictory position.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 122,362

    BBC BREAKING NEWS...Yellow Health Alert, temperature sets to be 28o in London this week, maybe getting up to 33o by the weekend...

    Are we getting a bit silly with these, its not 40+. Most people have been on a foreign holiday to Europe in the summer where it is that hot every day.

    Absolutely, its not a heatwave, its summer.
    Mortality is far far worse in hot weather than in cold for the elderly. We don't do summer air con payments though.
    Few years ago now but at the time I started writing for a new client and had to cry off my very first day of work because of the heat. Luckily it was the hottest day recorded ever in the UK, so that did at least make it look more reasonable and a bit less wet blanket.
    It annoys me that we built the Cairo to Khartoum railway but a little bit of heat in the UK brings the trains to a standstill.
    If it makes you feel any better my small, south-facing office easily becomes a cooker. Glad the worst of the heat is over the weekend, but it'll probably somewhat curtail activity at the end of this and start of next week.

    One of the reasons I work early is to help mitigate the problem of summer heat. 'Only' 26C is way more in here.
    I feel your pain, part of my house has air con which is a bliss, but where I WFH is an east facing glass oven, but I am grateful for having Dyson blade less fans, they are amazing.
    You want a VacMaster Air Mover Fan.....
    Where can I buy one?

    Just found this website called OnlyFans, will it be on there?
    Isn't OF now one of the most profitable "tech" businesses in the UK?
    Yup, I know somebody who is advising them on the financial front.
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 11,545
    edited June 17
    Leon said:

    Ye TwitterX is claiming, inter alia, that Reeves is about to do a U-turn on her non-dom inheritance tax policy

    She can ask Kendall to crap on a few more disabled people instead. Protect the rich at all costs, punch down on the vulnerable. Its what Keir Hardie would want.
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 40,175
    Leon said:

    Ye TwitterX is claiming, inter alia, that Reeves is about to do a U-turn on her non-dom inheritance tax policy

    She has to, I know two people personally who have moved overseas because of it, both of extremely high wealth spending probably millions per year on households, goods and services to live in the country.
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 31,751
    Phil said:


    Theo Bertram
    @theobertram
    ·
    3h
    The Catch 22 of British politics is that to win a second term you need to tackle the cost of living but to tackle the underlying causes of the cost of living (increase housing supply, build new energy plants) you need two terms.
    Theo Bertram
    @theobertram
    ·
    3h
    Solving this Catch 22 is the key to avoiding a doom loop of failed progress & populism. Part of my answer would be to make Permanent Secretaries not only accountable for progress on 10 year goals but for public confidence in those goals. Progress needs to be metered & clear.

    https://x.com/theobertram/status/1934882411994558905

    In other words, the most patriotic thing the opposition can do right now is make themselves unelectable enough that the next election is a boring walkover. (One of Blair's failures was to largely fail to seize the opportunity presented to him by Hague, IDS and Howard.)

    On that basis, the Conservatives are being true patriots right now.
    China doesn't take a decade to build new energy plants, I'm not sure why we should.
    China isn't a democracy.

    EDIT: Also, I think 5 waste to energy plans are being built in Scotland right not, in less than a decade.
    We didn’t take a decade back in the 50s or 60s either. See the Stonehaven report I linked to previously for an analysis of the legal barriers to “just building things” that have built up in the UK since the early 70s.
    Dominic Cummings' (I know) recent lecture is also interesting on this topic.
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 14,790

    Leon said:

    Extraordinary levels of anger against the Labour government over on t'TwitterX

    Never seen anything like it. Seething disgust

    It will be interesting to see if this translates into polling....

    But Brittas called for the audit, he has read the audit and he agrees with the recommendations of the audit....end of statement. No idea why people are getting angry.
    Anger on Twitter has very little to do with events in real world. People on Twitter are always angry. Polling is much more informative.
    YouGov had a poll out yesterday on this very subject. One of the most overwhelmingly one sided responses ive ever seen.
    https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politics/survey-results/daily/2025/06/16/7906a/1

    To what extent would you support or oppose a national independent inquiry into the sexual abuse and rape of children by grooming gangs?

    Strongly support 68%
    Somewhat support 19%
    Somewhat oppose 2%
    Strongly oppose 1%
    Don't know 10%

    Yes, very clear response. What that polling doesn't ask is whether people are angry at the Labour government over their handling of the issue to date.

    While I'm here, https://yougov.co.uk/politics/articles/52182-few-britons-think-the-prison-system-is-working-well-so-what-changes-would-they-make was also interesting.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 61,908

    Leon said:

    Ye TwitterX is claiming, inter alia, that Reeves is about to do a U-turn on her non-dom inheritance tax policy

    I think that is based upon Guido story (so massive caveat) earlier that claims the treasury officials have worked out its going to lose money and have been sounding out wealth managers of foreign high net worth individuals about how to change this.

    There have been stories of non-doms just moving their situations around and doing the summer in the UK (but under the number of days to trigger being resident) and setting up base elsewhere for the rest of the year.
    Who could have guessed it would lose money? Apart from everyone with half a brain? That was too high a bar for Rachel from Accounts, who has maybe a third of a brain

  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 14,790

    Phil said:

    Seems to be evidence of growing problems with Downing Street comms and the media. Cant go into why because of the 'ammer but todays briefing was apparently a disaster with no answers to any of the questions.
    SKS hiding away overseas where he is most comfortable

    To be fair to SKS, attending the G7 & signing a trade agreement with the US are a more immediate priority that cannot be moved to suit domestic politics, no matter how important a given topic might be.
    Maybe he could have got steel tariffs agreed before signing it. Suggests one or the other was desperate for a distraction to me to sign an unfinished negotiation
    Yes, that would be Trump. He has a long track record of wanting to sign something he can claim as a deal.
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 14,790
    edited June 17

    BBC BREAKING NEWS...Yellow Health Alert, temperature sets to be 28o in London this week, maybe getting up to 33o by the weekend...

    Are we getting a bit silly with these, its not 40+. Most people have been on a foreign holiday to Europe in the summer where it is that hot every day.

    Absolutely, its not a heatwave, its summer.
    Mortality is far far worse in hot weather than in cold for the elderly. We don't do summer air con payments though.
    Few years ago now but at the time I started writing for a new client and had to cry off my very first day of work because of the heat. Luckily it was the hottest day recorded ever in the UK, so that did at least make it look more reasonable and a bit less wet blanket.
    It annoys me that we built the Cairo to Khartoum railway but a little bit of heat in the UK brings the trains to a standstill.
    If it makes you feel any better my small, south-facing office easily becomes a cooker. Glad the worst of the heat is over the weekend, but it'll probably somewhat curtail activity at the end of this and start of next week.

    One of the reasons I work early is to help mitigate the problem of summer heat. 'Only' 26C is way more in here.
    I feel your pain, part of my house has air con which is a bliss, but where I WFH is an east facing glass oven, but I am grateful for having Dyson blade less fans, they are amazing.
    You want a VacMaster Air Mover Fan.....
    Where can I buy one?

    Just found this website called OnlyFans, will it be on there?
    Isn't OF now one of the most profitable "tech" businesses in the UK?
    Climate change, innit. Everyone needs fans.
  • TazTaz Posts: 19,017

    Leon said:

    Extraordinary levels of anger against the Labour government over on t'TwitterX

    Never seen anything like it. Seething disgust

    It will be interesting to see if this translates into polling....

    But Brittas called for the audit, he has read the audit and he agrees with the recommendations of the audit....end of statement. No idea why people are getting angry.
    Anger on Twitter has very little to do with events in real world. People on Twitter are always angry. Polling is much more informative.
    Which if you look at it shows Labour gaining slowly and Reform losing slowly. The trend is there
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 14,790


    Theo Bertram
    @theobertram
    ·
    3h
    The Catch 22 of British politics is that to win a second term you need to tackle the cost of living but to tackle the underlying causes of the cost of living (increase housing supply, build new energy plants) you need two terms.
    Theo Bertram
    @theobertram
    ·
    3h
    Solving this Catch 22 is the key to avoiding a doom loop of failed progress & populism. Part of my answer would be to make Permanent Secretaries not only accountable for progress on 10 year goals but for public confidence in those goals. Progress needs to be metered & clear.

    https://x.com/theobertram/status/1934882411994558905

    In other words, the most patriotic thing the opposition can do right now is make themselves unelectable enough that the next election is a boring walkover. (One of Blair's failures was to largely fail to seize the opportunity presented to him by Hague, IDS and Howard.)

    On that basis, the Conservatives are being true patriots right now.
    China doesn't take a decade to build new energy plants, I'm not sure why we should.
    China isn't a democracy.

    EDIT: Also, I think 5 waste to energy plans are being built in Scotland right not, in less than a decade.
    Well get your story straight, is it impossible without crushing the people under the communist heel, or is it quite possible and we're already doing it?
    Both! It is possible and we're doing it, but we shouldn't be benchmarking ourselves against China.
    That's a completely contradictory position.
    No, it's not.
  • PhilPhil Posts: 2,714

    Phil said:


    Theo Bertram
    @theobertram
    ·
    3h
    The Catch 22 of British politics is that to win a second term you need to tackle the cost of living but to tackle the underlying causes of the cost of living (increase housing supply, build new energy plants) you need two terms.
    Theo Bertram
    @theobertram
    ·
    3h
    Solving this Catch 22 is the key to avoiding a doom loop of failed progress & populism. Part of my answer would be to make Permanent Secretaries not only accountable for progress on 10 year goals but for public confidence in those goals. Progress needs to be metered & clear.

    https://x.com/theobertram/status/1934882411994558905

    In other words, the most patriotic thing the opposition can do right now is make themselves unelectable enough that the next election is a boring walkover. (One of Blair's failures was to largely fail to seize the opportunity presented to him by Hague, IDS and Howard.)

    On that basis, the Conservatives are being true patriots right now.
    China doesn't take a decade to build new energy plants, I'm not sure why we should.
    China isn't a democracy.

    EDIT: Also, I think 5 waste to energy plans are being built in Scotland right not, in less than a decade.
    We didn’t take a decade back in the 50s or 60s either. See the Stonehaven report I linked to previously for an analysis of the legal barriers to “just building things” that have built up in the UK since the early 70s.
    Dominic Cummings' (I know) recent lecture is also interesting on this topic.
    I have a lot of respect for Cummings’ diagnoses of the problems the UK faces. Rather less respect (understatement of the year?) for his ability to actually implement solutions.
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 11,545
    edited June 17

    Phil said:

    Seems to be evidence of growing problems with Downing Street comms and the media. Cant go into why because of the 'ammer but todays briefing was apparently a disaster with no answers to any of the questions.
    SKS hiding away overseas where he is most comfortable

    To be fair to SKS, attending the G7 & signing a trade agreement with the US are a more immediate priority that cannot be moved to suit domestic politics, no matter how important a given topic might be.
    Maybe he could have got steel tariffs agreed before signing it. Suggests one or the other was desperate for a distraction to me to sign an unfinished negotiation
    Yes, that would be Trump. He has a long track record of wanting to sign something he can claim as a deal.
    Odd that Starmer would agree and leave the steel industry swinging. If he held the cards he could have said give me 10% on Steel Donald. Unless he also wanted a distraction of course.

    Is the ban on discussion lifted btw? Ive been avoiding keywords and links like a bandit, others arent.......
  • TazTaz Posts: 19,017
    MaxPB said:

    Leon said:

    Ye TwitterX is claiming, inter alia, that Reeves is about to do a U-turn on her non-dom inheritance tax policy

    She has to, I know two people personally who have moved overseas because of it, both of extremely high wealth spending probably millions per year on households, goods and services to live in the country.
    Richard Murphy’s lot (yes, I know) are claiming it’s a false exodus and we need to hit the ‘super rich’ whatever that means.

    https://x.com/taxjusticenet/status/1932331902033445172?s=61

    This has been recycled by the greatest trader ever, Gary Stevenson, Patriotic Millionaires UK and other such intellectual titans as Green MP Carla Denyer.

    🤔
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 84,582
    Phil said:

    Phil said:


    Theo Bertram
    @theobertram
    ·
    3h
    The Catch 22 of British politics is that to win a second term you need to tackle the cost of living but to tackle the underlying causes of the cost of living (increase housing supply, build new energy plants) you need two terms.
    Theo Bertram
    @theobertram
    ·
    3h
    Solving this Catch 22 is the key to avoiding a doom loop of failed progress & populism. Part of my answer would be to make Permanent Secretaries not only accountable for progress on 10 year goals but for public confidence in those goals. Progress needs to be metered & clear.

    https://x.com/theobertram/status/1934882411994558905

    In other words, the most patriotic thing the opposition can do right now is make themselves unelectable enough that the next election is a boring walkover. (One of Blair's failures was to largely fail to seize the opportunity presented to him by Hague, IDS and Howard.)

    On that basis, the Conservatives are being true patriots right now.
    China doesn't take a decade to build new energy plants, I'm not sure why we should.
    China isn't a democracy.

    EDIT: Also, I think 5 waste to energy plans are being built in Scotland right not, in less than a decade.
    We didn’t take a decade back in the 50s or 60s either. See the Stonehaven report I linked to previously for an analysis of the legal barriers to “just building things” that have built up in the UK since the early 70s.
    Dominic Cummings' (I know) recent lecture is also interesting on this topic.
    I have a lot of respect for Cummings’ diagnoses of the problems the UK faces. Rather less respect (understatement of the year?) for his ability to actually implement solutions.
    He is still ploughing the only solution is burn it all down and start again.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 61,908
    MaxPB said:

    Leon said:

    Ye TwitterX is claiming, inter alia, that Reeves is about to do a U-turn on her non-dom inheritance tax policy

    She has to, I know two people personally who have moved overseas because of it, both of extremely high wealth spending probably millions per year on households, goods and services to live in the country.
    But it's too late, they've gone. They won't come back as long as Labour are in charge

    Worst. Government. Ever.
  • TazTaz Posts: 19,017


    Theo Bertram
    @theobertram
    ·
    3h
    The Catch 22 of British politics is that to win a second term you need to tackle the cost of living but to tackle the underlying causes of the cost of living (increase housing supply, build new energy plants) you need two terms.
    Theo Bertram
    @theobertram
    ·
    3h
    Solving this Catch 22 is the key to avoiding a doom loop of failed progress & populism. Part of my answer would be to make Permanent Secretaries not only accountable for progress on 10 year goals but for public confidence in those goals. Progress needs to be metered & clear.

    https://x.com/theobertram/status/1934882411994558905

    In other words, the most patriotic thing the opposition can do right now is make themselves unelectable enough that the next election is a boring walkover. (One of Blair's failures was to largely fail to seize the opportunity presented to him by Hague, IDS and Howard.)

    On that basis, the Conservatives are being true patriots right now.
    China doesn't take a decade to build new energy plants, I'm not sure why we should.
    China isn't a democracy.

    EDIT: Also, I think 5 waste to energy plans are being built in Scotland right not, in less than a decade.
    Well get your story straight, is it impossible without crushing the people under the communist heel, or is it quite possible and we're already doing it?
    Both! It is possible and we're doing it, but we shouldn't be benchmarking ourselves against China.
    No, because they get stuff done and we don’t. Benchmark ourselves against other nations that are in the slow lane 👍
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 31,149

    Andy_JS said:

    "Families of British Air India crash victims 'feel utterly abandoned' and hit out at government"

    https://news.sky.com/story/we-feel-utterly-abandoned-families-of-british-air-india-crash-victims-criticise-uk-governments-response-13384497

    To quote from that article:

    “ "There is no UK leadership here, no medical team, no crisis professionals stationed at the hospital," said a family spokesperson.”

    I’m not certain why there should be a UK medical team or crisis professionals stationed at a hospital in India. It is a terrible, terrible tragedy for the families, but these things are not the responsibility of the UK government, are they?
    50+ victims were British citizens.
    So say it had happened in Birmingham - would we be expecting an Indian medical team to fly over to here?

    Its a mad complaint.
    Consulate staff should certainly be on hand and always have been in situations like this.
    We fly emergency response teams to other disasters, with or without British citizen involvement
    Yes, after the Indian air crash with its many British victims and relatives of victims, it was obviously appropriate for the Embassy to rent a local office and install diplomatic staff to liaise between said relatives and the Indian authorities about identification and repatriation of the dead as well as more mundane matters like accommodation. To be fair, it does look as if they have done this to some extent.

    Part of the problem is the families flew to India without a plan, as a knee-jerk response to grief, but they are there now.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 84,582
    edited June 17
    Taz said:

    MaxPB said:

    Leon said:

    Ye TwitterX is claiming, inter alia, that Reeves is about to do a U-turn on her non-dom inheritance tax policy

    She has to, I know two people personally who have moved overseas because of it, both of extremely high wealth spending probably millions per year on households, goods and services to live in the country.
    Richard Murphy’s lot (yes, I know) are claiming it’s a false exodus and we need to hit the ‘super rich’ whatever that means.

    https://x.com/taxjusticenet/status/1932331902033445172?s=61

    This has been recycled by the greatest trader ever, Gary Stevenson, Patriotic Millionaires UK and other such intellectual titans as Green MP Carla Denyer.

    🤔
    Gary Stevenson really f##ks me off. His BS backstory and then the BS organic growth of his YouTube channel, when it was paid and carefully promoted by a massive publishing house. Then when they said they wouldn't pay for pumping it anymore, Mr greatest trader ever multi-trillionaire, asked for donations from his viewers, despite his viewership making his book a bestseller.

    Damien Talks Money is better if you want financial videos.
  • TazTaz Posts: 19,017

    BBC BREAKING NEWS...Yellow Health Alert, temperature sets to be 28o in London this week, maybe getting up to 33o by the weekend...

    Are we getting a bit silly with these, its not 40+. Most people have been on a foreign holiday to Europe in the summer where it is that hot every day.

    Absolutely, its not a heatwave, its summer.
    Mortality is far far worse in hot weather than in cold for the elderly. We don't do summer air con payments though.
    Few years ago now but at the time I started writing for a new client and had to cry off my very first day of work because of the heat. Luckily it was the hottest day recorded ever in the UK, so that did at least make it look more reasonable and a bit less wet blanket.
    It annoys me that we built the Cairo to Khartoum railway but a little bit of heat in the UK brings the trains to a standstill.
    If it makes you feel any better my small, south-facing office easily becomes a cooker. Glad the worst of the heat is over the weekend, but it'll probably somewhat curtail activity at the end of this and start of next week.

    One of the reasons I work early is to help mitigate the problem of summer heat. 'Only' 26C is way more in here.
    I feel your pain, part of my house has air con which is a bliss, but where I WFH is an east facing glass oven, but I am grateful for having Dyson blade less fans, they are amazing.
    You want a VacMaster Air Mover Fan.....
    Where can I buy one?

    Just found this website called OnlyFans, will it be on there?
    Isn't OF now one of the most profitable "tech" businesses in the UK?
    Climate change, innit. Everyone needs fans.
    OF is more likely to raise, rather than cool, temperatures.
  • PhilPhil Posts: 2,714

    Phil said:

    Phil said:


    Theo Bertram
    @theobertram
    ·
    3h
    The Catch 22 of British politics is that to win a second term you need to tackle the cost of living but to tackle the underlying causes of the cost of living (increase housing supply, build new energy plants) you need two terms.
    Theo Bertram
    @theobertram
    ·
    3h
    Solving this Catch 22 is the key to avoiding a doom loop of failed progress & populism. Part of my answer would be to make Permanent Secretaries not only accountable for progress on 10 year goals but for public confidence in those goals. Progress needs to be metered & clear.

    https://x.com/theobertram/status/1934882411994558905

    In other words, the most patriotic thing the opposition can do right now is make themselves unelectable enough that the next election is a boring walkover. (One of Blair's failures was to largely fail to seize the opportunity presented to him by Hague, IDS and Howard.)

    On that basis, the Conservatives are being true patriots right now.
    China doesn't take a decade to build new energy plants, I'm not sure why we should.
    China isn't a democracy.

    EDIT: Also, I think 5 waste to energy plans are being built in Scotland right not, in less than a decade.
    We didn’t take a decade back in the 50s or 60s either. See the Stonehaven report I linked to previously for an analysis of the legal barriers to “just building things” that have built up in the UK since the early 70s.
    Dominic Cummings' (I know) recent lecture is also interesting on this topic.
    I have a lot of respect for Cummings’ diagnoses of the problems the UK faces. Rather less respect (understatement of the year?) for his ability to actually implement solutions.
    He is still ploughing the only solution is burn it all down and start again.
    Yeah, utopians are always like that. “Oh no, the system isn’t working 100% perfectly, what we should do is break everything & then magically the thing that will rise in it’s place will be the 100% perfect system in my head”. No, you idiot, what will rise in it’s place will be whatever system suits the sociopaths who take power in the metaphorical rubble that remains after you’ve broken the existing system.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 79,589

    Taz said:

    MaxPB said:

    Leon said:

    Ye TwitterX is claiming, inter alia, that Reeves is about to do a U-turn on her non-dom inheritance tax policy

    She has to, I know two people personally who have moved overseas because of it, both of extremely high wealth spending probably millions per year on households, goods and services to live in the country.
    Richard Murphy’s lot (yes, I know) are claiming it’s a false exodus and we need to hit the ‘super rich’ whatever that means.

    https://x.com/taxjusticenet/status/1932331902033445172?s=61

    This has been recycled by the greatest trader ever, Gary Stevenson, Patriotic Millionaires UK and other such intellectual titans as Green MP Carla Denyer.

    🤔
    Gary Stevenson really f##ks me off. His BS backstory and then the BS organic growth of his YouTube channel, when it was paid and carefully promoted by a massive publishing house. Then when they said they wouldn't pay for pumping it anymore, Mr greatest trader ever multi-trillionaire, asked for donations from his viewers.
    Fake it till you make it !
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 40,175
    Leon said:

    MaxPB said:

    Leon said:

    Ye TwitterX is claiming, inter alia, that Reeves is about to do a U-turn on her non-dom inheritance tax policy

    She has to, I know two people personally who have moved overseas because of it, both of extremely high wealth spending probably millions per year on households, goods and services to live in the country.
    But it's too late, they've gone. They won't come back as long as Labour are in charge

    Worst. Government. Ever.
    Yes the ones that are gone won't come back but if we make ourselves more open to foreign wealth new wealthy people will take their place. What really worries me as that the government seems to have given up on domestic wealth creation as an engine for prosperity and higher living standards. Everything seems to now be a function of state subsidies and welfarism. It was bad under the Tories but this is ridiculous.
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 14,790
    Taz said:

    BBC BREAKING NEWS...Yellow Health Alert, temperature sets to be 28o in London this week, maybe getting up to 33o by the weekend...

    Are we getting a bit silly with these, its not 40+. Most people have been on a foreign holiday to Europe in the summer where it is that hot every day.

    Absolutely, its not a heatwave, its summer.
    Mortality is far far worse in hot weather than in cold for the elderly. We don't do summer air con payments though.
    Few years ago now but at the time I started writing for a new client and had to cry off my very first day of work because of the heat. Luckily it was the hottest day recorded ever in the UK, so that did at least make it look more reasonable and a bit less wet blanket.
    It annoys me that we built the Cairo to Khartoum railway but a little bit of heat in the UK brings the trains to a standstill.
    If it makes you feel any better my small, south-facing office easily becomes a cooker. Glad the worst of the heat is over the weekend, but it'll probably somewhat curtail activity at the end of this and start of next week.

    One of the reasons I work early is to help mitigate the problem of summer heat. 'Only' 26C is way more in here.
    I feel your pain, part of my house has air con which is a bliss, but where I WFH is an east facing glass oven, but I am grateful for having Dyson blade less fans, they are amazing.
    You want a VacMaster Air Mover Fan.....
    Where can I buy one?

    Just found this website called OnlyFans, will it be on there?
    Isn't OF now one of the most profitable "tech" businesses in the UK?
    Climate change, innit. Everyone needs fans.
    OF is more likely to raise, rather than cool, temperatures.
    I may have misunderstood their business model.
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 19,200
    Nigelb said:

    Andy_JS said:

    "Families of British Air India crash victims 'feel utterly abandoned' and hit out at government"

    https://news.sky.com/story/we-feel-utterly-abandoned-families-of-british-air-india-crash-victims-criticise-uk-governments-response-13384497

    To quote from that article:

    “ "There is no UK leadership here, no medical team, no crisis professionals stationed at the hospital," said a family spokesperson.”

    I’m not certain why there should be a UK medical team or crisis professionals stationed at a hospital in India. It is a terrible, terrible tragedy for the families, but these things are not the responsibility of the UK government, are they?
    The only reason I can come up with is that out DNA rapid sequencing technology is likely far better than what's available locally, and might help in identifying victims.
    Which is reportedly a serious problem there.
    How portable is it?
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 31,149

    Phil said:

    Phil said:


    Theo Bertram
    @theobertram
    ·
    3h
    The Catch 22 of British politics is that to win a second term you need to tackle the cost of living but to tackle the underlying causes of the cost of living (increase housing supply, build new energy plants) you need two terms.
    Theo Bertram
    @theobertram
    ·
    3h
    Solving this Catch 22 is the key to avoiding a doom loop of failed progress & populism. Part of my answer would be to make Permanent Secretaries not only accountable for progress on 10 year goals but for public confidence in those goals. Progress needs to be metered & clear.

    https://x.com/theobertram/status/1934882411994558905

    In other words, the most patriotic thing the opposition can do right now is make themselves unelectable enough that the next election is a boring walkover. (One of Blair's failures was to largely fail to seize the opportunity presented to him by Hague, IDS and Howard.)

    On that basis, the Conservatives are being true patriots right now.
    China doesn't take a decade to build new energy plants, I'm not sure why we should.
    China isn't a democracy.

    EDIT: Also, I think 5 waste to energy plans are being built in Scotland right not, in less than a decade.
    We didn’t take a decade back in the 50s or 60s either. See the Stonehaven report I linked to previously for an analysis of the legal barriers to “just building things” that have built up in the UK since the early 70s.
    Dominic Cummings' (I know) recent lecture is also interesting on this topic.
    I have a lot of respect for Cummings’ diagnoses of the problems the UK faces. Rather less respect (understatement of the year?) for his ability to actually implement solutions.
    He is still ploughing the only solution is burn it all down and start again.
    Anyone who has worked in IT is familiar with this. We could spend a day or two understanding what this program does and where the bug lies, but instead we need to rewrite the whole thing from scratch in a more fashionable language.

    We saw this of course during the Covid pandemic. All the experts agreed there was a problem with Imperial's modelling but despite its source code being published, wanted to replace it rather than fix it.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 61,908
    MaxPB said:

    Leon said:

    MaxPB said:

    Leon said:

    Ye TwitterX is claiming, inter alia, that Reeves is about to do a U-turn on her non-dom inheritance tax policy

    She has to, I know two people personally who have moved overseas because of it, both of extremely high wealth spending probably millions per year on households, goods and services to live in the country.
    But it's too late, they've gone. They won't come back as long as Labour are in charge

    Worst. Government. Ever.
    Yes the ones that are gone won't come back but if we make ourselves more open to foreign wealth new wealthy people will take their place. What really worries me as that the government seems to have given up on domestic wealth creation as an engine for prosperity and higher living standards. Everything seems to now be a function of state subsidies and welfarism. It was bad under the Tories but this is ridiculous.
    Indeed

    It's a perfect storm of ill winds coming the way of the UK, from all directions

    Dominic Cummings may get his wish: the whole house burns down, and we start again
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 40,175

    Phil said:

    Phil said:


    Theo Bertram
    @theobertram
    ·
    3h
    The Catch 22 of British politics is that to win a second term you need to tackle the cost of living but to tackle the underlying causes of the cost of living (increase housing supply, build new energy plants) you need two terms.
    Theo Bertram
    @theobertram
    ·
    3h
    Solving this Catch 22 is the key to avoiding a doom loop of failed progress & populism. Part of my answer would be to make Permanent Secretaries not only accountable for progress on 10 year goals but for public confidence in those goals. Progress needs to be metered & clear.

    https://x.com/theobertram/status/1934882411994558905

    In other words, the most patriotic thing the opposition can do right now is make themselves unelectable enough that the next election is a boring walkover. (One of Blair's failures was to largely fail to seize the opportunity presented to him by Hague, IDS and Howard.)

    On that basis, the Conservatives are being true patriots right now.
    China doesn't take a decade to build new energy plants, I'm not sure why we should.
    China isn't a democracy.

    EDIT: Also, I think 5 waste to energy plans are being built in Scotland right not, in less than a decade.
    We didn’t take a decade back in the 50s or 60s either. See the Stonehaven report I linked to previously for an analysis of the legal barriers to “just building things” that have built up in the UK since the early 70s.
    Dominic Cummings' (I know) recent lecture is also interesting on this topic.
    I have a lot of respect for Cummings’ diagnoses of the problems the UK faces. Rather less respect (understatement of the year?) for his ability to actually implement solutions.
    He is still ploughing the only solution is burn it all down and start again.
    Anyone who has worked in IT is familiar with this. We could spend a day or two understanding what this program does and where the bug lies, but instead we need to rewrite the whole thing from scratch in a more fashionable language.

    We saw this of course during the Covid pandemic. All the experts agreed there was a problem with Imperial's modelling but despite its source code being published, wanted to replace it rather than fix it.
    In that scenario it's because the model was fundamentally flawed and in general the "make do and mend" method leads to the government paying Microsoft tens of millions per year to keep the lights on for Windows XP/7/NT.

    When it comes to state services provision it really can't get much worse and throwing more resources at it is only going to lead to negative productivity per worker - that is to say every worker added brings more inefficiency to the system than they provide in incremental output.

    Sometimes burning it down and starting again is the only way forwards and realising that early and acting on it is always better than putting it off and kicking the can down the road which stores up problems and makes the task ever more unmanageable - look at the NHS as an example.
  • DopermeanDopermean Posts: 1,150

    Taz said:

    BBC BREAKING NEWS...Yellow Health Alert, temperature sets to be 28o in London this week, maybe getting up to 33o by the weekend...

    Are we getting a bit silly with these, its not 40+. Most people have been on a foreign holiday to Europe in the summer where it is that hot every day.

    Absolutely, its not a heatwave, its summer.
    Mortality is far far worse in hot weather than in cold for the elderly. We don't do summer air con payments though.
    Few years ago now but at the time I started writing for a new client and had to cry off my very first day of work because of the heat. Luckily it was the hottest day recorded ever in the UK, so that did at least make it look more reasonable and a bit less wet blanket.
    It annoys me that we built the Cairo to Khartoum railway but a little bit of heat in the UK brings the trains to a standstill.
    If it makes you feel any better my small, south-facing office easily becomes a cooker. Glad the worst of the heat is over the weekend, but it'll probably somewhat curtail activity at the end of this and start of next week.

    One of the reasons I work early is to help mitigate the problem of summer heat. 'Only' 26C is way more in here.
    I feel your pain, part of my house has air con which is a bliss, but where I WFH is an east facing glass oven, but I am grateful for having Dyson blade less fans, they are amazing.
    You want a VacMaster Air Mover Fan.....
    Where can I buy one?

    Just found this website called OnlyFans, will it be on there?
    Isn't OF now one of the most profitable "tech" businesses in the UK?
    Climate change, innit. Everyone needs fans.
    OF is more likely to raise, rather than cool, temperatures.
    I may have misunderstood their business model.
    Fans use energy to move air, they don't cool anything, they'll just evaporate your sweat.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 84,582
    edited June 17
    Pulpstar said:

    Taz said:

    MaxPB said:

    Leon said:

    Ye TwitterX is claiming, inter alia, that Reeves is about to do a U-turn on her non-dom inheritance tax policy

    She has to, I know two people personally who have moved overseas because of it, both of extremely high wealth spending probably millions per year on households, goods and services to live in the country.
    Richard Murphy’s lot (yes, I know) are claiming it’s a false exodus and we need to hit the ‘super rich’ whatever that means.

    https://x.com/taxjusticenet/status/1932331902033445172?s=61

    This has been recycled by the greatest trader ever, Gary Stevenson, Patriotic Millionaires UK and other such intellectual titans as Green MP Carla Denyer.

    🤔
    Gary Stevenson really f##ks me off. His BS backstory and then the BS organic growth of his YouTube channel, when it was paid and carefully promoted by a massive publishing house. Then when they said they wouldn't pay for pumping it anymore, Mr greatest trader ever multi-trillionaire, asked for donations from his viewers.
    Fake it till you make it !
    I am surprised he hasn't been blasted on YouTube for this given he must attract a load of the purity warriors formerly of the Momentum army. Lots of other people who have built a big following have gone South very quickly if their audience was heavily the social justice warriors types and found to being less than honest.
  • DopermeanDopermean Posts: 1,150
    Phil said:

    Phil said:

    Phil said:


    Theo Bertram
    @theobertram
    ·
    3h
    The Catch 22 of British politics is that to win a second term you need to tackle the cost of living but to tackle the underlying causes of the cost of living (increase housing supply, build new energy plants) you need two terms.
    Theo Bertram
    @theobertram
    ·
    3h
    Solving this Catch 22 is the key to avoiding a doom loop of failed progress & populism. Part of my answer would be to make Permanent Secretaries not only accountable for progress on 10 year goals but for public confidence in those goals. Progress needs to be metered & clear.

    https://x.com/theobertram/status/1934882411994558905

    In other words, the most patriotic thing the opposition can do right now is make themselves unelectable enough that the next election is a boring walkover. (One of Blair's failures was to largely fail to seize the opportunity presented to him by Hague, IDS and Howard.)

    On that basis, the Conservatives are being true patriots right now.
    China doesn't take a decade to build new energy plants, I'm not sure why we should.
    China isn't a democracy.

    EDIT: Also, I think 5 waste to energy plans are being built in Scotland right not, in less than a decade.
    We didn’t take a decade back in the 50s or 60s either. See the Stonehaven report I linked to previously for an analysis of the legal barriers to “just building things” that have built up in the UK since the early 70s.
    Dominic Cummings' (I know) recent lecture is also interesting on this topic.
    I have a lot of respect for Cummings’ diagnoses of the problems the UK faces. Rather less respect (understatement of the year?) for his ability to actually implement solutions.
    He is still ploughing the only solution is burn it all down and start again.
    Yeah, utopians are always like that. “Oh no, the system isn’t working 100% perfectly, what we should do is break everything & then magically the thing that will rise in it’s place will be the 100% perfect system in my head”. No, you idiot, what will rise in it’s place will be whatever system suits the sociopaths who take power in the metaphorical rubble that remains after you’ve broken the existing system.
    Dom C is hoping he's the sociopath that takes power
  • glwglw Posts: 10,429
    MaxPB said:

    Sometimes burning it down and starting again is the only way forwards and realising that early and acting on it is always better than putting it off and kicking the can down the road which stores up problems and makes the task ever more unmanageable - look at the NHS as an example.

    I think the clinical care in the NHS is generally very good, and I rarely have any complaints about the people that I've dealt with, but the systems and the processes are unbelievably bad. So slow, inefficient, lacking automation, prone to errors, with many, many gaps as well. The NHS only gets away with it because it really has no competition, any normal business operating the way the NHS does simply wouldn't last for long.
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 14,790
    pigeon pigeon pigeon cat pigeon pigeon pigeon pigeon pigeon pigeon pigeon pigeon pigeon
  • LeonLeon Posts: 61,908
    Bloody hell. Labour 3rd Tories 4th
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 65,722

    pigeon pigeon pigeon cat pigeon pigeon pigeon pigeon pigeon pigeon pigeon pigeon pigeon
    Not sure what that means but there is real anger towards Labour in Wales and no surprise in this poll
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 14,790
    glw said:

    MaxPB said:

    Sometimes burning it down and starting again is the only way forwards and realising that early and acting on it is always better than putting it off and kicking the can down the road which stores up problems and makes the task ever more unmanageable - look at the NHS as an example.

    I think the clinical care in the NHS is generally very good, and I rarely have any complaints about the people that I've dealt with, but the systems and the processes are unbelievably bad. So slow, inefficient, lacking automation, prone to errors, with many, many gaps as well. The NHS only gets away with it because it really has no competition, any normal business operating the way the NHS does simply wouldn't last for long.
    Healthcare is not a normal business. I think that's the more pertinent issue.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 84,582
    edited June 17
    Jenrick going to need to make a hell of a lot more viral social media videos...
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 11,545
    Leon said:

    Bloody hell. Labour 3rd Tories 4th
    Subsample fun - Con on 2% with 30 to 39yo lol
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 14,790

    pigeon pigeon pigeon cat pigeon pigeon pigeon pigeon pigeon pigeon pigeon pigeon pigeon
    Not sure what that means but there is real anger towards Labour in Wales and no surprise in this poll
    I was suggesting the poll has put the cat among the pigeons.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 55,103
    a

    Phil said:

    Phil said:


    Theo Bertram
    @theobertram
    ·
    3h
    The Catch 22 of British politics is that to win a second term you need to tackle the cost of living but to tackle the underlying causes of the cost of living (increase housing supply, build new energy plants) you need two terms.
    Theo Bertram
    @theobertram
    ·
    3h
    Solving this Catch 22 is the key to avoiding a doom loop of failed progress & populism. Part of my answer would be to make Permanent Secretaries not only accountable for progress on 10 year goals but for public confidence in those goals. Progress needs to be metered & clear.

    https://x.com/theobertram/status/1934882411994558905

    In other words, the most patriotic thing the opposition can do right now is make themselves unelectable enough that the next election is a boring walkover. (One of Blair's failures was to largely fail to seize the opportunity presented to him by Hague, IDS and Howard.)

    On that basis, the Conservatives are being true patriots right now.
    China doesn't take a decade to build new energy plants, I'm not sure why we should.
    China isn't a democracy.

    EDIT: Also, I think 5 waste to energy plans are being built in Scotland right not, in less than a decade.
    We didn’t take a decade back in the 50s or 60s either. See the Stonehaven report I linked to previously for an analysis of the legal barriers to “just building things” that have built up in the UK since the early 70s.
    Dominic Cummings' (I know) recent lecture is also interesting on this topic.
    I have a lot of respect for Cummings’ diagnoses of the problems the UK faces. Rather less respect (understatement of the year?) for his ability to actually implement solutions.
    He is still ploughing the only solution is burn it all down and start again.
    Anyone who has worked in IT is familiar with this. We could spend a day or two understanding what this program does and where the bug lies, but instead we need to rewrite the whole thing from scratch in a more fashionable language.

    We saw this of course during the Covid pandemic. All the experts agreed there was a problem with Imperial's modelling but despite its source code being published, wanted to replace it rather than fix it.
    The Imperial code was a mess - re-writing the specification (which was a bit indeterminate) into a more readable language was a good idea.
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 31,751
    Phil said:

    Phil said:


    Theo Bertram
    @theobertram
    ·
    3h
    The Catch 22 of British politics is that to win a second term you need to tackle the cost of living but to tackle the underlying causes of the cost of living (increase housing supply, build new energy plants) you need two terms.
    Theo Bertram
    @theobertram
    ·
    3h
    Solving this Catch 22 is the key to avoiding a doom loop of failed progress & populism. Part of my answer would be to make Permanent Secretaries not only accountable for progress on 10 year goals but for public confidence in those goals. Progress needs to be metered & clear.

    https://x.com/theobertram/status/1934882411994558905

    In other words, the most patriotic thing the opposition can do right now is make themselves unelectable enough that the next election is a boring walkover. (One of Blair's failures was to largely fail to seize the opportunity presented to him by Hague, IDS and Howard.)

    On that basis, the Conservatives are being true patriots right now.
    China doesn't take a decade to build new energy plants, I'm not sure why we should.
    China isn't a democracy.

    EDIT: Also, I think 5 waste to energy plans are being built in Scotland right not, in less than a decade.
    We didn’t take a decade back in the 50s or 60s either. See the Stonehaven report I linked to previously for an analysis of the legal barriers to “just building things” that have built up in the UK since the early 70s.
    Dominic Cummings' (I know) recent lecture is also interesting on this topic.
    I have a lot of respect for Cummings’ diagnoses of the problems the UK faces. Rather less respect (understatement of the year?) for his ability to actually implement solutions.
    Same. He does make some recommendations here.

    https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/westminster-must-fall/
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 35,671
    Tres said:

    BBC BREAKING NEWS...Yellow Health Alert, temperature sets to be 28o in London this week, maybe getting up to 33o by the weekend...

    Are we getting a bit silly with these, its not 40+. Most people have been on a foreign holiday to Europe in the summer where it is that hot every day.

    And that's why it's yellow not red. I'm gonna put you on a yellow fucking idiot alert.
    We don't need alerts.
  • squareroot2squareroot2 Posts: 7,061
    edited June 17
    Leon said:

    Extraordinary levels of anger against the Labour government over on t'TwitterX

    Never seen anything like it. Seething disgust

    It will be interesting to see if this translates into polling....

    You have to laugh when Rachel from Accounts wants people to invest money in British firms and at the same time wants to take away the £500 dividend TAX free Allowance

    They are bonkers plain and simple.
  • kjhkjh Posts: 12,729
    Dopermean said:

    Taz said:

    BBC BREAKING NEWS...Yellow Health Alert, temperature sets to be 28o in London this week, maybe getting up to 33o by the weekend...

    Are we getting a bit silly with these, its not 40+. Most people have been on a foreign holiday to Europe in the summer where it is that hot every day.

    Absolutely, its not a heatwave, its summer.
    Mortality is far far worse in hot weather than in cold for the elderly. We don't do summer air con payments though.
    Few years ago now but at the time I started writing for a new client and had to cry off my very first day of work because of the heat. Luckily it was the hottest day recorded ever in the UK, so that did at least make it look more reasonable and a bit less wet blanket.
    It annoys me that we built the Cairo to Khartoum railway but a little bit of heat in the UK brings the trains to a standstill.
    If it makes you feel any better my small, south-facing office easily becomes a cooker. Glad the worst of the heat is over the weekend, but it'll probably somewhat curtail activity at the end of this and start of next week.

    One of the reasons I work early is to help mitigate the problem of summer heat. 'Only' 26C is way more in here.
    I feel your pain, part of my house has air con which is a bliss, but where I WFH is an east facing glass oven, but I am grateful for having Dyson blade less fans, they are amazing.
    You want a VacMaster Air Mover Fan.....
    Where can I buy one?

    Just found this website called OnlyFans, will it be on there?
    Isn't OF now one of the most profitable "tech" businesses in the UK?
    Climate change, innit. Everyone needs fans.
    OF is more likely to raise, rather than cool, temperatures.
    I may have misunderstood their business model.
    Fans use energy to move air, they don't cool anything, they'll just evaporate your sweat.
    Ready to be shot down in flames here, but that will cool you won't it, because the latent heat of water is very high so the evaporation will cool your skin as it takes heat energy to do so Eg like the experiment of blowing air through a jar of ether sitting in a puddle of water on a poor conductor like wood will freeze the water.

    I'm expounding 55 year old O/A level physics here so on very dangerous ground.
  • TazTaz Posts: 19,017

    Taz said:

    MaxPB said:

    Leon said:

    Ye TwitterX is claiming, inter alia, that Reeves is about to do a U-turn on her non-dom inheritance tax policy

    She has to, I know two people personally who have moved overseas because of it, both of extremely high wealth spending probably millions per year on households, goods and services to live in the country.
    Richard Murphy’s lot (yes, I know) are claiming it’s a false exodus and we need to hit the ‘super rich’ whatever that means.

    https://x.com/taxjusticenet/status/1932331902033445172?s=61

    This has been recycled by the greatest trader ever, Gary Stevenson, Patriotic Millionaires UK and other such intellectual titans as Green MP Carla Denyer.

    🤔
    Gary Stevenson really f##ks me off. His BS backstory and then the BS organic growth of his YouTube channel, when it was paid and carefully promoted by a massive publishing house. Then when they said they wouldn't pay for pumping it anymore, Mr greatest trader ever multi-trillionaire, asked for donations from his viewers, despite his viewership making his book a bestseller.

    Damien Talks Money is better if you want financial videos.
    He’s excellent. I also have a lot of time for James Chase as well.
  • EabhalEabhal Posts: 11,010
    Wow. Do we have the movements from their last poll (rather than the last election), it is this first time they've polled it?
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 32,379
    edited June 17
    ..

    pigeon pigeon pigeon cat pigeon pigeon pigeon pigeon pigeon pigeon pigeon pigeon pigeon
    Not sure what that means but there is real anger towards Labour in Wales and no surprise in this poll
    Of course this poll may be correct, but isn't it a Matt Goodwin poll? Which of course meets the BPC requirements, however...

    Tories look too low, Reform looks high. And some of the subsamples look very odd.
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 14,790
    Andy_JS said:

    Tres said:

    BBC BREAKING NEWS...Yellow Health Alert, temperature sets to be 28o in London this week, maybe getting up to 33o by the weekend...

    Are we getting a bit silly with these, its not 40+. Most people have been on a foreign holiday to Europe in the summer where it is that hot every day.

    And that's why it's yellow not red. I'm gonna put you on a yellow fucking idiot alert.
    We don't need alerts.
    Be alert

    Your country needs lerts
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 31,751

    Phil said:

    Phil said:


    Theo Bertram
    @theobertram
    ·
    3h
    The Catch 22 of British politics is that to win a second term you need to tackle the cost of living but to tackle the underlying causes of the cost of living (increase housing supply, build new energy plants) you need two terms.
    Theo Bertram
    @theobertram
    ·
    3h
    Solving this Catch 22 is the key to avoiding a doom loop of failed progress & populism. Part of my answer would be to make Permanent Secretaries not only accountable for progress on 10 year goals but for public confidence in those goals. Progress needs to be metered & clear.

    https://x.com/theobertram/status/1934882411994558905

    In other words, the most patriotic thing the opposition can do right now is make themselves unelectable enough that the next election is a boring walkover. (One of Blair's failures was to largely fail to seize the opportunity presented to him by Hague, IDS and Howard.)

    On that basis, the Conservatives are being true patriots right now.
    China doesn't take a decade to build new energy plants, I'm not sure why we should.
    China isn't a democracy.

    EDIT: Also, I think 5 waste to energy plans are being built in Scotland right not, in less than a decade.
    We didn’t take a decade back in the 50s or 60s either. See the Stonehaven report I linked to previously for an analysis of the legal barriers to “just building things” that have built up in the UK since the early 70s.
    Dominic Cummings' (I know) recent lecture is also interesting on this topic.
    I have a lot of respect for Cummings’ diagnoses of the problems the UK faces. Rather less respect (understatement of the year?) for his ability to actually implement solutions.
    He is still ploughing the only solution is burn it all down and start again.
    It's a rather peaceful British burning down. He wants to remove the Cabinet Office and integrate its functions to the PM's office and other such moves that the man on the Clapham Omnibus would assume were already fact. Restoring democratic accountability mostly.
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 31,751

    ..

    pigeon pigeon pigeon cat pigeon pigeon pigeon pigeon pigeon pigeon pigeon pigeon pigeon
    Not sure what that means but there is real anger towards Labour in Wales and no surprise in this poll
    Of course this poll may be correct, but isn't it a Matt Goodwin poll? Which of course meets the BPC requirements, however...

    Tories look too low, Reform looks high. And some of the subsamples look very odd.
    Reform beating Plaid - just rejoice at that news.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 65,722
    edited June 17
    Re Trump at the G7 praises Starmer and signs a deal, then leaves and launches a broadside against Macron

    He really does not like the EU does he

    And as for the G6 they may as well have all come home as well

    We are now in a world where the G7, G20. UN and others are nothing more than irrelevant talking shops

    How the post war peace divided has been fatally wounded
  • CookieCookie Posts: 15,331

    Andy_JS said:

    Tres said:

    BBC BREAKING NEWS...Yellow Health Alert, temperature sets to be 28o in London this week, maybe getting up to 33o by the weekend...

    Are we getting a bit silly with these, its not 40+. Most people have been on a foreign holiday to Europe in the summer where it is that hot every day.

    And that's why it's yellow not red. I'm gonna put you on a yellow fucking idiot alert.
    We don't need alerts.
    Be alert

    Your country needs lerts
    What about loofs?
  • kjhkjh Posts: 12,729

    Leon said:

    Extraordinary levels of anger against the Labour government over on t'TwitterX

    Never seen anything like it. Seething disgust

    It will be interesting to see if this translates into polling....

    You have to laugh when Rachel from Accunts wants people to invest money in British firms and at the same time want monto take away the £500 dividend TAX free Allowance

    They are bonkers plain and simple.
    Do they? I didn't know that. Successive Governments, starting with Brown have completely buggered up the relationship between Corporation Tax, ACT and dividends. We had a very sensible system that Brown, Osborne and Hammond have completely destroyed. Is Reeves about to put the nail in the coffin then?
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 84,582
    edited June 17

    Re Trump at the G7 praises Starmer and signs a deal, then leaves and launches a broadside against Macron

    He really does not like the EU does he

    And as for the G6 they may as well have all come home as well

    We are now in a world where the G7, G20. UN and others are nothing more than irrelevant talking shops

    How the post was peace divide has been fatally wounded

    Macron not having a lot of luck, Mrs Italy rebuked his but I am a so sexy French man with a cutting eye roll....

    Why has Trump buggered off early?
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 55,741
    Farage has been strongly against rolling back devolution recently. I wonder if they could go further and become neutral on Scottish independence.
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 11,545
    edited June 17
    Eabhal said:

    Wow. Do we have the movements from their last poll (rather than the last election), it is this first time they've polled it?
    This is i think their first
    For reference, 30 April YouGov had
    Plaid 30
    Ref 25
    Lab 18
    Con 13
    LD 7
    Green 5
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 19,200
    MaxPB said:

    Phil said:

    Phil said:


    Theo Bertram
    @theobertram
    ·
    3h
    The Catch 22 of British politics is that to win a second term you need to tackle the cost of living but to tackle the underlying causes of the cost of living (increase housing supply, build new energy plants) you need two terms.
    Theo Bertram
    @theobertram
    ·
    3h
    Solving this Catch 22 is the key to avoiding a doom loop of failed progress & populism. Part of my answer would be to make Permanent Secretaries not only accountable for progress on 10 year goals but for public confidence in those goals. Progress needs to be metered & clear.

    https://x.com/theobertram/status/1934882411994558905

    In other words, the most patriotic thing the opposition can do right now is make themselves unelectable enough that the next election is a boring walkover. (One of Blair's failures was to largely fail to seize the opportunity presented to him by Hague, IDS and Howard.)

    On that basis, the Conservatives are being true patriots right now.
    China doesn't take a decade to build new energy plants, I'm not sure why we should.
    China isn't a democracy.

    EDIT: Also, I think 5 waste to energy plans are being built in Scotland right not, in less than a decade.
    We didn’t take a decade back in the 50s or 60s either. See the Stonehaven report I linked to previously for an analysis of the legal barriers to “just building things” that have built up in the UK since the early 70s.
    Dominic Cummings' (I know) recent lecture is also interesting on this topic.
    I have a lot of respect for Cummings’ diagnoses of the problems the UK faces. Rather less respect (understatement of the year?) for his ability to actually implement solutions.
    He is still ploughing the only solution is burn it all down and start again.
    Anyone who has worked in IT is familiar with this. We could spend a day or two understanding what this program does and where the bug lies, but instead we need to rewrite the whole thing from scratch in a more fashionable language.

    We saw this of course during the Covid pandemic. All the experts agreed there was a problem with Imperial's modelling but despite its source code being published, wanted to replace it rather than fix it.
    In that scenario it's because the model was fundamentally flawed and in general the "make do and mend" method leads to the government paying Microsoft tens of millions per year to keep the lights on for Windows XP/7/NT.

    When it comes to state services provision it really can't get much worse and throwing more resources at it is only going to lead to negative productivity per worker - that is to say every worker added brings more inefficiency to the system than they provide in incremental output.

    Sometimes burning it down and starting again is the only way forwards and realising that early and acting on it is always better than putting it off and kicking the can down the road which stores up problems and makes the task ever more unmanageable - look at the NHS as an example.
    Happy to be wrong but I thought the issues around Imperial's forecasting wasn't the code (old and rubbish thought it was) but the assumptions it was being fed (possibly deliberately, certainly exploring the worst case scenarios). Things like people isolating themselves in advance of a government order to do so etc. The streets and pubs were deathly quiet BEFORE the lockdowns etc.
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 11,545

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    pigeon pigeon pigeon cat pigeon pigeon pigeon pigeon pigeon pigeon pigeon pigeon pigeon
    Not sure what that means but there is real anger towards Labour in Wales and no surprise in this poll
    Of course this poll may be correct, but isn't it a Matt Goodwin poll? Which of course meets the BPC requirements, however...

    Tories look too low, Reform looks high. And some of the subsamples look very odd.
    Find Out Now are not Matt Goodwin
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 43,979
    Leon said:

    Extraordinary levels of anger against the Labour government over on t'TwitterX

    Never seen anything like it. Seething disgust

    It will be interesting to see if this translates into polling....

    What specifically are they angry about, bumming Tehran bombing Trump, paedo cover up or just general anguish?
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