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If Labour wants to win in 2029 they need the UK to become a nation of frozen margarita drinkers

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  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 55,047
    edited June 13
    rcs1000 said:

    What a ridiculous poll.

    There are only a few acceptable alcoholic drinks:

    - Bitter
    - Lager (but only on sunny summer days)
    - Wine
    - Whisky (single malts)
    - Brandy

    And, of course, not all of every category is acceptable. Blue Nun might be "wine", but it is no way an acceptable beverage.

    Cocktails are almost always the sign of some kind of mental breakdown - with very few exceptions. An Aperol Spritz, if imbibed on a warm summer evening, ideally in the garden of a grand European hotel, might be acceptable. And I have been told that there occasions when a Negroni might permissable: if sat next to @Leon for example, and seeking oblivion in as short a time as possible.

    Rubbish

    The best drink in the world is what you, at that moment, want to drink.

    Looking down on others choices is both ridiculous and pointless.

    The only possible valid criticism is the effect of your drinking on others - “I’ve noticed after the fourth Dubonnet & tractor brake fluid that you start fights with everyone.”
  • TazTaz Posts: 18,938

    This is a rum thread, the best drink is missing.

    One of the happiest days of my married life was rum tasting in Mauritius on our Honeymoon.

    I’m partial to a nice rum
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 84,459

    rcs1000 said:

    What a ridiculous poll.

    There are only a few acceptable alcoholic drinks:

    - Bitter
    - Lager (but only on sunny summer days)
    - Wine
    - Whisky (single malts)
    - Brandy

    And, of course, not all of every category is acceptable. Blue Nun might be "wine", but it is no way an acceptable beverage.

    Cocktails are almost always the sign of some kind of mental breakdown - with very few exceptions. An Aperol Spritz, if imbibed on a warm summer evening, ideally in the garden of a grand European hotel, might be acceptable. And I have been told that there occasions when a Negroni might permissable: if sat next to @Leon for example, and seeking oblivion in as short a time as possible.

    Rubbish

    The best drink in the world is what you, at that moment, want to drink.

    Looking down on others choices is both ridiculous and pointless.

    The only possible valid criticism is the effect of your drinking on others - “I’ve noticed after the fourth Dubonnet & tractor brake fluid that you start fights with everyone.”
    I thought on PB we had standards...I would hope Blue Nun and Liebfraumilch drinkers were served with the ban hammer.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 55,674

    rcs1000 said:

    What a ridiculous poll.

    There are only a few acceptable alcoholic drinks:

    - Bitter
    - Lager (but only on sunny summer days)
    - Wine
    - Whisky (single malts)
    - Brandy

    And, of course, not all of every category is acceptable. Blue Nun might be "wine", but it is no way an acceptable beverage.

    Cocktails are almost always the sign of some kind of mental breakdown - with very few exceptions. An Aperol Spritz, if imbibed on a warm summer evening, ideally in the garden of a grand European hotel, might be acceptable. And I have been told that there occasions when a Negroni might permissable: if sat next to @Leon for example, and seeking oblivion in as short a time as possible.

    Rubbish

    The best drink in the world is what you, at that moment, want to drink.

    Looking down on others choices is both ridiculous and pointless.

    The only possible valid criticism is the effect of your drinking on others - “I’ve noticed after the fourth Dubonnet & tractor brake fluid that you start fights with everyone.”
    I thought on PB we had standards...I would hope Blue Nun and Liebfraumilch drinkers were served with the ban hammer.
    You can't go wrong with Mateus Rosé.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 78,244
    Taz said:

    Nigelb said:

    Taz said:

    Nigelb said:

    rcs1000 said:

    What a ridiculous poll.

    There are only a few acceptable alcoholic drinks:

    - Bitter
    - Lager (but only on sunny summer days)
    - Wine
    - Whisky (single malts)
    - Brandy

    And, of course, not all of every category is acceptable. Blue Nun might be "wine", but it is no way an acceptable beverage.

    Cocktails are almost always the sign of some kind of mental breakdown - with very few exceptions. An Aperol Spritz, if imbibed on a warm summer evening, ideally in the garden of a grand European hotel, might be acceptable. And I have been told that there occasions when a Negroni might permissable: if sat next to @Leon for example, and seeking oblivion in as short a time as possible.

    Also, soju.
    I’ve recently discovered Soju.

    I’m rather impressed. Hi-You in Newcastle has a good range of far east booze.

    The Jinru Plum variant is excellent.
    Classic all the way for me, I'm afraid. None of the flavoured stuff.
    So is classic just unflavoured ? I’m in the toon next week and will look it up.

    I’ve had a love of plum sake ever since I had some at Michael O’Hare’s place in Leeds.

    Always keen to try new stuff.

    If flavoured Soju is to S Koreans what fruit flavoured cider is to me, an abomination, I’ll have to try the proper stuff.
    Pretty well.
    It's slightly sweet - but can also taste sour, depending on your mood (a Korean trope which is actually true, IMO).
  • GallowgateGallowgate Posts: 20,514

    Israel launching fresh attacks on Iran.

    Just popping to load up the nuclear bomb shelter at the end of the garden with extra supplies.

    Iran seem absolutely toothless at the moment
  • BartholomewRobertsBartholomewRoberts Posts: 24,624
    Scott_xP said:

    @farnazfassihi

    NEWS: Iranian sources say Gen. Ismail Ghaani, the Quds Forces commander, in charge of proxies in the region has been killed. The senior chain of command has collapsed.

    Just rejoice at that news and congratulate their forces and Mossad. Rejoice.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 84,459
    edited June 13
    Scott_xP said:

    @farnazfassihi

    NEWS: Iranian sources say Gen. Ismail Ghaani, the Quds Forces commander, in charge of proxies in the region has been killed. The senior chain of command has collapsed.

    Looks like they are doing a repeat of their approach in Lebanon.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 122,325
    My friends say if I were a boozer I would drink the following drinks

    1) Pornstar martini (because I would have fun with the innuendos).

    2) A champagne drinker because I would be attracted to (over)paying for something ridiculous like a £30,000 bottle.

    To be honest if I did cease to be a good Muslim I would be tempted to try absinthe
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 45,843
    Taz said:

    This is a rum thread, the best drink is missing.

    One of the happiest days of my married life was rum tasting in Mauritius on our Honeymoon.

    I’m partial to a nice rum
    Mrs J is a great Iain Banks fan. I took her to meet him at book signings / conferences a couple of times, and on the second occasion, I managed to wrangle myself onto a whisky tasting event with him. Jut me, him, and a couple of other people tasting whisky for an hour or two in front of a room full of people.

    I would have swapped my place with Mrs J, but she doesn't drink much, and hates whisky. Still, she got to meet him in the after do, and she was only *slightly* seething with jealousy.
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 45,843
    Nigelb said:

    In rather hilarious news, a Russian SU-25 was shot down by his wingman, using unguided missiles...

    https://x.com/wartranslated/status/1933548320443806075

    Or the rocket pod malfunctioned and blew half the wing off, which seems more likely.
    Possibly. I was trying to follow the trajectory of the second planes missiles, and it seemed a little off. Either that or the rocket hit a second or so earlier and the plane took time to disintegrate.

    Whatever, it means Russia is minus one plane, so it's a good thing.
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 23,049
    On topic: Dandelion & Burdock.

    Home Bargains stocks an alcoholic version.
  • BartholomewRobertsBartholomewRoberts Posts: 24,624

    Israel launching fresh attacks on Iran.

    Just popping to load up the nuclear bomb shelter at the end of the garden with extra supplies.

    Wow, they must be feeling bloody confident to do it in the daytime.

    Hopefully this will be a complete and glorious defeat of the vile Iranian regime. If so, that will remove the evil Houthis and Hezbollah and Hamas (what's with all the H?) from having a sponsor and a more peaceful Middle East might be viable.

    Taking the fight directly to Iran might mean less eventual suffering in Gaza etc if the evil can be spiked at source.
  • TazTaz Posts: 18,938

    Taz said:

    Taz said:

    Nigelb said:

    rcs1000 said:

    What a ridiculous poll.

    There are only a few acceptable alcoholic drinks:

    - Bitter
    - Lager (but only on sunny summer days)
    - Wine
    - Whisky (single malts)
    - Brandy

    And, of course, not all of every category is acceptable. Blue Nun might be "wine", but it is no way an acceptable beverage.

    Cocktails are almost always the sign of some kind of mental breakdown - with very few exceptions. An Aperol Spritz, if imbibed on a warm summer evening, ideally in the garden of a grand European hotel, might be acceptable. And I have been told that there occasions when a Negroni might permissable: if sat next to @Leon for example, and seeking oblivion in as short a time as possible.

    Also, soju.
    I’ve recently discovered Soju.

    I’m rather impressed. Hi-You in Newcastle has a good range of far east booze.

    The Jinru Plum variant is excellent.
    I have a Korean friend who once took me on a tour of Vancouver's South Korean Diaspora hang outs on the Soju.....it was soon all a blur.
    There’s no other way.
    I believe there may have been a healthy dose of Karoke in there too but I can't really remember.
    Sometimes they’re the best nights but there’s always that fear, when you wake up, that you’ve been a bit of a twit and the story will come out.
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 23,049

    My friends say if I were a boozer I would drink the following drinks

    1) Pornstar martini (because I would have fun with the innuendos).

    2) A champagne drinker because I would be attracted to (over)paying for something ridiculous like a £30,000 bottle.

    To be honest if I did cease to be a good Muslim I would be tempted to try absinthe

    Someone should bring out Absinthe 0%, then you'd be sorted.

    You could try a 0% G&T. Apparently, not too bad.
  • carnforthcarnforth Posts: 6,313

    On topic: Dandelion & Burdock.

    Home Bargains stocks an alcoholic version.

    This is less gross than it sounds:

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kalimotxo
  • TazTaz Posts: 18,938

    rcs1000 said:

    What a ridiculous poll.

    There are only a few acceptable alcoholic drinks:

    - Bitter
    - Lager (but only on sunny summer days)
    - Wine
    - Whisky (single malts)
    - Brandy

    And, of course, not all of every category is acceptable. Blue Nun might be "wine", but it is no way an acceptable beverage.

    Cocktails are almost always the sign of some kind of mental breakdown - with very few exceptions. An Aperol Spritz, if imbibed on a warm summer evening, ideally in the garden of a grand European hotel, might be acceptable. And I have been told that there occasions when a Negroni might permissable: if sat next to @Leon for example, and seeking oblivion in as short a time as possible.

    Rubbish

    The best drink in the world is what you, at that moment, want to drink.

    Looking down on others choices is both ridiculous and pointless.

    The only possible valid criticism is the effect of your drinking on others - “I’ve noticed after the fourth Dubonnet & tractor brake fluid that you start fights with everyone.”
    Ha, I remember a thread here where people were looking down their nose at Hardys or Jacobs Creek. I used to enjoy them in the nineties.

    I think there is a majority of people here, and this is not a complaint, who have a privileged life and enjoy decent stuff. But don’t look down on the rest of us.

    I quite like teapigs tea. Not popular here !!
  • geoffwgeoffw Posts: 9,094
    High chance of a regime change in Iran now given how unpopular it is.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 54,556

    This is a rum thread, the best drink is missing.

    "The Pirate Code is more what you'd call "guidelines" than actual rules!"
  • TazTaz Posts: 18,938

    Israel launching fresh attacks on Iran.

    Just popping to load up the nuclear bomb shelter at the end of the garden with extra supplies.

    Iran seem absolutely toothless at the moment
    Yet their tweets seem to be threatening all sorts of retribution.

    The phrase ‘all piss and wind’ leaps to mind. Unless they have something up their sleeve they are totally enfeebled.
  • FossFoss Posts: 1,501
    geoffw said:

    High chance of a regime change in Iran now given how unpopular it is.

    That'd be good for the Ukraine as well as the locals.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 35,603
    Does anyone know how common it is for an aircraft to be "Stored for parts to be used on other 787's in the fleet" and then "Returned to Service"? These happened on 2019-01-23 and 2019-05-24 respectively according to this page.

    https://www.b787register.co.uk/airframe.php?ln=0026
  • TazTaz Posts: 18,938

    On topic: Dandelion & Burdock.

    Home Bargains stocks an alcoholic version.

    There’s a Home bargains in town. May take a trip Monday.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 55,674
    geoffw said:

    High chance of a regime change in Iran now given how unpopular it is.

    The Israeli operation is called "Rising Lion" which references the symbol of pre-revolutionary Iran.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 84,459
    edited June 13
    Andy_JS said:

    Does anyone know how common it is for an aircraft to be "Stored for parts to be used on other 787's in the fleet" and then "Returned to Service"? These happened on 2019-01-23 and 2019-05-24 respectively according to this page.

    https://www.b787register.co.uk/airframe.php?ln=0026

    Apparently a number of the mega oversized Airbus 380 have been returned to service after initially been grounded most likely to be scrapped for parts.
  • TazTaz Posts: 18,938

    Taz said:

    This is a rum thread, the best drink is missing.

    One of the happiest days of my married life was rum tasting in Mauritius on our Honeymoon.

    I’m partial to a nice rum
    Mrs J is a great Iain Banks fan. I took her to meet him at book signings / conferences a couple of times, and on the second occasion, I managed to wrangle myself onto a whisky tasting event with him. Jut me, him, and a couple of other people tasting whisky for an hour or two in front of a room full of people.

    I would have swapped my place with Mrs J, but she doesn't drink much, and hates whisky. Still, she got to meet him in the after do, and she was only *slightly* seething with jealousy.
    Nice one.

    Hopefully they were decent malts.
  • BartholomewRobertsBartholomewRoberts Posts: 24,624
    Taz said:

    Israel launching fresh attacks on Iran.

    Just popping to load up the nuclear bomb shelter at the end of the garden with extra supplies.

    Iran seem absolutely toothless at the moment
    Yet their tweets seem to be threatening all sorts of retribution.

    The phrase ‘all piss and wind’ leaps to mind. Unless they have something up their sleeve they are totally enfeebled.
    All bark and no bite.

    Israel have hit hard, they need to keep striking even harder. Pummel them into the ground with no mercy.

    If you go for the Ayatollah, you better not miss.
  • boulayboulay Posts: 6,267

    My friends say if I were a boozer I would drink the following drinks

    1) Pornstar martini (because I would have fun with the innuendos).

    2) A champagne drinker because I would be attracted to (over)paying for something ridiculous like a £30,000 bottle.

    To be honest if I did cease to be a good Muslim I would be tempted to try absinthe

    My friends and I had a terrible phase of drinking double absinthe and red bull many years ago. Buzzing doesn’t express the effect sufficiently.

    Only matched by the “Absolut Shambles” drinks of Absolut Vodka, Tequila, Red Bull and Champagne.
  • MoonRabbitMoonRabbit Posts: 14,332
    edited June 13

    Scott_xP said:

    @farnazfassihi

    NEWS: Iranian sources say Gen. Ismail Ghaani, the Quds Forces commander, in charge of proxies in the region has been killed. The senior chain of command has collapsed.

    Just rejoice at that news and congratulate their forces and Mossad. Rejoice.
    you cheering the Thals or Kaleds Bart? Do you know?

    Rejoice at cutting the angry heads off something that easily grows back even angrier embittered on a mission heads? rejoicing at achieving nothing would be pretty dumb.

    All this in a vain attempt to prevent Netanyahu ending his days in a prison cell. 😔
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 35,578
    Call me old-fashioned but that's my favourite cocktail at the moment.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 54,556

    geoffw said:

    High chance of a regime change in Iran now given how unpopular it is.

    The Israeli operation is called "Rising Lion" which references the symbol of pre-revolutionary Iran.
    A wee while back, the Persians saved the Israelites from slavery in Babylon.
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 35,578
    Oh dear, how sad, never mind...

    Private schools lose High Court challenge over VAT changes

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cy0knd76zrzo
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 45,843
    Andy_JS said:

    Does anyone know how common it is for an aircraft to be "Stored for parts to be used on other 787's in the fleet" and then "Returned to Service"? These happened on 2019-01-23 and 2019-05-24 respectively according to this page.

    https://www.b787register.co.uk/airframe.php?ln=0026

    Noy my area, but I bet it's fairly common to swap parts out if there's an immediate spares shortage; and it was only out of service for four months. Planes are often stored for ages - hundreds were during the Covid epidemic in 2020.

    Most parts are, for obvious reasons, designed to be swapped out and replaced. As long as it's done properly.
  • MoonRabbitMoonRabbit Posts: 14,332
    edited June 13
    Scott_xP said:

    @PippaCrerar

    UPDATE: Former Tory MP Craig Williams and 14 other people facing allegations of cheating by gambling on date of last year’s general election are to go on trial.

    https://x.com/PippaCrerar/status/1933555070215283169

    Conservative Party can ride back to a bit of popularity again, when the CPS utterly humiliate themselves with this daft move. ☺️

    They can’t possibly be convicted, with smartest political bettors in the land already worked it out weeks before and published the tip.

    “I tipped July 2024 as the month of the election at 20s a few weeks ago is now down to 2.04. I feel content.”

    https://www1.politicalbetting.com/index.php/archives/2024/05/22/sunak-is-just-like-the-grand-old-duke-of-york/
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 84,459
    edited June 13
    Taz said:

    Taz said:

    Taz said:

    Nigelb said:

    rcs1000 said:

    What a ridiculous poll.

    There are only a few acceptable alcoholic drinks:

    - Bitter
    - Lager (but only on sunny summer days)
    - Wine
    - Whisky (single malts)
    - Brandy

    And, of course, not all of every category is acceptable. Blue Nun might be "wine", but it is no way an acceptable beverage.

    Cocktails are almost always the sign of some kind of mental breakdown - with very few exceptions. An Aperol Spritz, if imbibed on a warm summer evening, ideally in the garden of a grand European hotel, might be acceptable. And I have been told that there occasions when a Negroni might permissable: if sat next to @Leon for example, and seeking oblivion in as short a time as possible.

    Also, soju.
    I’ve recently discovered Soju.

    I’m rather impressed. Hi-You in Newcastle has a good range of far east booze.

    The Jinru Plum variant is excellent.
    I have a Korean friend who once took me on a tour of Vancouver's South Korean Diaspora hang outs on the Soju.....it was soon all a blur.
    There’s no other way.
    I believe there may have been a healthy dose of Karoke in there too but I can't really remember.
    Sometimes they’re the best nights but there’s always that fear, when you wake up, that you’ve been a bit of a twit and the story will come out.
    Luckily I am quite a boring drunk in the sense of I end up talking too much about nothing in particular but never got in any trouble, and on this occasion probably punishing the poor Korean people of Vancouver with terrible Karoke as I can't sing at all, but never done anything twatish or fallen out with people over spilt pints or looking at somebodies misses the wrong way. Always had good sat-nav to get me back to bed when the time comes.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 55,674

    geoffw said:

    High chance of a regime change in Iran now given how unpopular it is.

    The Israeli operation is called "Rising Lion" which references the symbol of pre-revolutionary Iran.
    A wee while back, the Persians saved the Israelites from slavery in Babylon.
    They should have an Operation Billy Ray.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 35,603

    Oh dear, how sad, never mind...

    Private schools lose High Court challenge over VAT changes

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cy0knd76zrzo

    It'll cost the state a lot of money to educate the children now they're not going to private schools.
  • BartholomewRobertsBartholomewRoberts Posts: 24,624

    Scott_xP said:

    @farnazfassihi

    NEWS: Iranian sources say Gen. Ismail Ghaani, the Quds Forces commander, in charge of proxies in the region has been killed. The senior chain of command has collapsed.

    Just rejoice at that news and congratulate their forces and Mossad. Rejoice.
    you cheering the Thals or Kaleds Bart? Do you know?

    Rejoice at cutting the angry heads off something that easily grows back even angrier embittered on a mission heads? rejoicing at achieving nothing would be pretty dumb.

    All this in a vain attempt to prevent Netanyahu ending his days in a prison cell. 😔
    Frankly, my dear, I don't give a damn.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 84,459
    edited June 13
    Andy_JS said:

    Oh dear, how sad, never mind...

    Private schools lose High Court challenge over VAT changes

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cy0knd76zrzo

    It'll cost the state a lot of money to educate the children now they're not going to private schools.
    The solution is not to worry about the private schools it is better education in state sector and the biggest and simplest thing they can do to level the playing field, post A-Level result applications to university.

    Then everybody is judged on their actual performance against their peers nationally and also within their own school, and then it is easy to see, did little Johnny a) get good grades and b) did they out perform their class mates. If they get good grades while everybody around them has done shit, its pretty easy selection versus somebody who overall got good grades but below their class mates.
  • geoffwgeoffw Posts: 9,094
    Starmer wants a "diplomatic solution"
  • isamisam Posts: 42,005
    Re the header, it seems it has to be Margarita Time in order to maintain the Status Quo
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,520
    geoffw said:

    Starmer wants a "diplomatic solution"

    The negotiator speaks.
  • BartholomewRobertsBartholomewRoberts Posts: 24,624
    geoffw said:

    Starmer wants a "diplomatic solution"

    What an impotent fool.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 84,459
    geoffw said:

    Starmer wants a "diplomatic solution"

    Good luck with that one.
  • geoffwgeoffw Posts: 9,094
    geoffw said:

    Starmer wants a "diplomatic solution"

    Bolton wants regime change. Who's right?
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 45,688
    Foss said:

    Nigelb said:

    rcs1000 said:

    What a ridiculous poll.

    There are only a few acceptable alcoholic drinks:

    - Bitter
    - Lager (but only on sunny summer days)
    - Wine
    - Whisky (single malts)
    - Brandy

    And, of course, not all of every category is acceptable. Blue Nun might be "wine", but it is no way an acceptable beverage.

    Cocktails are almost always the sign of some kind of mental breakdown - with very few exceptions. An Aperol Spritz, if imbibed on a warm summer evening, ideally in the garden of a grand European hotel, might be acceptable. And I have been told that there occasions when a Negroni might permissable: if sat next to @Leon for example, and seeking oblivion in as short a time as possible.

    Also, soju.
    The lack of Stout in this thread is saddening.
    My granny used to wash her hair in that. And it worked - always looked a million dollars.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 84,459
    edited June 13
    Two men jailed for £4.8m gold toilet heist

    https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cgeg39vr3j3o

    Career criminal, just 4 years, and the other guy 2 years...First guy will be probably be out in 18 months, I am sure that'll learn em....
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 34,988
    geoffw said:

    geoffw said:

    Starmer wants a "diplomatic solution"

    Bolton wants regime change. Who's right?
    Which regime? Iran or Israel?
  • BartholomewRobertsBartholomewRoberts Posts: 24,624
    geoffw said:

    geoffw said:

    Starmer wants a "diplomatic solution"

    Bolton wants regime change. Who's right?
    Bolton.
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 35,578
    Andy_JS said:

    Oh dear, how sad, never mind...

    Private schools lose High Court challenge over VAT changes

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cy0knd76zrzo

    It'll cost the state a lot of money to educate the children now they're not going to private schools.
    The capacity already exists - state pupil numbers are falling - 54,000 down in the past year.

    Overall, 582,477 pupils in England attended private schools when the census data was collected in January this year, down from 593,486 the year before - a drop of 1.9% (or 11,009 pupils).

    Overall pupil numbers in England have fallen slightly to just over nine million. There was a smaller drop (0.6%) in the number of pupils not at private school.


    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c2lk2p7wpr4o
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 84,459
    geoffw said:

    Starmer wants a "diplomatic solution"

    Neville Chamberlain speaks.
  • BartholomewRobertsBartholomewRoberts Posts: 24,624

    geoffw said:

    Starmer wants a "diplomatic solution"

    Neville Chamberlain speaks.
    Hardly.

    Chamberlain wanted peace but prepared for war. And Keir isn't even going to get a peace of paper.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 79,572

    geoffw said:

    geoffw said:

    Starmer wants a "diplomatic solution"

    Bolton wants regime change. Who's right?
    Bolton.
    Ol' neo-con Bolton always has the air of a slightly angry walrus about him. Think it's the tache.
  • geoffwgeoffw Posts: 9,094
    Baroness Ashton speaks. Netenyahu called her "Cathy". She wants "evolution rather than revolution". She's lost in a swamp of fuzz and fudge .. it's unclear what position she advocates on nuclear Iran, despite having had a senior role in talks: she was the the lead negotiator for the P5+1 with Iran's chief nuclear negotiator, Saeed Jalili
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 32,324

    geoffw said:

    Starmer wants a "diplomatic solution"

    Neville Chamberlain speaks.
    With the exception of Brown and Blair, Starmer is without a shadow of a doubt the most despised PM on Politicalbetting.com

    I think Boris was probably our favourite.
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 35,578
    Century for Markram at Lords.

    Have there been any other palindromic Lords centurions?
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 31,689
    Now that the spending review has sort of settled, my observation is that we have entered the phase where Labour has given up the pretense of 'sorting things out'. I maintain that they know they're doomed, so what would be the point of introducing 'austerity', sorting out issues with the blob (remember Keir's two-minute foray into the culture of mediocrity in the CS), trying to reform the ECHR and deport anyone - why would they? They have learned from bitter experience that the best way is to kick the can and let the other lot deal with it.

    That's a huge challenge for Reform (and possibly the Tories as coalition partners) and hopefully they're using the time wisely to prepare for it.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 84,459

    geoffw said:

    Starmer wants a "diplomatic solution"

    Neville Chamberlain speaks.
    With the exception of Brown and Blair, Starmer is without a shadow of a doubt the most despised PM on Politicalbetting.com

    I think Boris was probably our favourite.
    TBH, I have no idea what you are talking about.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 84,459
    In the crazy world of Chinese cars, the latest ones are coming with drones that launch from a box on the roof in order to follow the car and see traffic ahead.
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 31,689

    geoffw said:

    Starmer wants a "diplomatic solution"

    Neville Chamberlain speaks.
    With the exception of Brown and Blair, Starmer is without a shadow of a doubt the most despised PM on Politicalbetting.com

    I think Boris was probably our favourite.
    Sir Twatface's lack of five-star reviews on PB isn't because he's despised, it's because objectively he's useless. ScottP, Stuart in Romford, Bondygoogoo and the like would probably love to defend Starmer but he gives them nothing to work with, so they do other things like talk about Trump.
  • ChrisChris Posts: 12,012

    Scott_xP said:

    @farnazfassihi

    NEWS: Iranian sources say Gen. Ismail Ghaani, the Quds Forces commander, in charge of proxies in the region has been killed. The senior chain of command has collapsed.

    Just rejoice at that news and congratulate their forces and Mossad. Rejoice.
    you cheering the Thals or Kaleds Bart? Do you know?

    Rejoice at cutting the angry heads off something that easily grows back even angrier embittered on a mission heads? rejoicing at achieving nothing would be pretty dumb.

    All this in a vain attempt to prevent Netanyahu ending his days in a prison cell. 😔
    Probably wasted breath commenting on most of the wild statements here these days. They didn't give them any thought before posting them. Pretty unlikely they'll give them any thought - or possibly even remember them - afterwards.
  • BartholomewRobertsBartholomewRoberts Posts: 24,624

    geoffw said:

    Starmer wants a "diplomatic solution"

    Neville Chamberlain speaks.
    With the exception of Brown and Blair, Starmer is without a shadow of a doubt the most despised PM on Politicalbetting.com

    I think Boris was probably our favourite.
    Again, hardly.

    Boris was despised on here. Can't think many who had him preferred at the time. HYUFD and myself, not many others. And even I was calling for his exit by the end.

    If it were up to PB Tories, we'd have had Hunt instead.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 45,688
    geoffw said:

    Starmer wants a "diplomatic solution"

    Why isn't he saying "Iran had better fold like a dog or there'll be so much brutality they won't have a country anymore."

    That's how political comms are done these days. Starmer is stuck in a bygone age.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 84,459
    edited June 13

    geoffw said:

    Starmer wants a "diplomatic solution"

    Neville Chamberlain speaks.
    With the exception of Brown and Blair, Starmer is without a shadow of a doubt the most despised PM on Politicalbetting.com

    I think Boris was probably our favourite.
    Sir Twatface's lack of five-star reviews on PB isn't because he's despised, it's because objectively he's useless. ScottP, Stuart in Romford, Bondygoogoo and the like would probably love to defend Starmer but he gives them nothing to work with, so they do other things like talk about Trump.
    Jimmy Carr has Starmer nailed....there is an Asda in the Midlands missing a manager.
  • sladeslade Posts: 2,190
    carnforth said:

    On topic: Dandelion & Burdock.

    Home Bargains stocks an alcoholic version.

    This is less gross than it sounds:

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kalimotxo
    Many years ago in Yugoslavia I had a drink called laguna. It was red wine and orange juice. You had to drink it with a straw to keep the two parts separate - moving the straw up and down to drink each in turn.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 32,324

    geoffw said:

    Starmer wants a "diplomatic solution"

    Neville Chamberlain speaks.
    With the exception of Brown and Blair, Starmer is without a shadow of a doubt the most despised PM on Politicalbetting.com

    I think Boris was probably our favourite.
    Again, hardly.

    Boris was despised on here. Can't think many who had him preferred at the time. HYUFD and myself, not many others. And even I was calling for his exit by the end.

    If it were up to PB Tories, we'd have had Hunt instead.
    Au contraire. You loved him! "The Greatest Prime Minister evah".
  • geoffwgeoffw Posts: 9,094
    Now that Sir Keir has stopped working on a Friday evening we can't expect any more exhortations for a diplomatic solution, so they'll just have to get on with it
  • AnneJGPAnneJGP Posts: 3,608

    In the crazy world of Chinese cars, the latest ones are coming with drones that launch from a box on the roof in order to follow the car and see traffic ahead.

    When those come as standard, there'll be some difficulty seeing ahead at all. ATC for all roads. Wouldn't an old-fashioned periscope be better? Retractable for bridges & tunnels, of course.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 32,324

    geoffw said:

    Starmer wants a "diplomatic solution"

    Neville Chamberlain speaks.
    With the exception of Brown and Blair, Starmer is without a shadow of a doubt the most despised PM on Politicalbetting.com

    I think Boris was probably our favourite.
    Sir Twatface's lack of five-star reviews on PB isn't because he's despised, it's because objectively he's useless. ScottP, Stuart in Romford, Bondygoogoo and the like would probably love to defend Starmer but he gives them nothing to work with, so they do other things like talk about Trump.
    Funny thing is, some of us thought the same about Liz Truss. but she still had her fanbois, even if I can't remember who they were.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 32,324
    geoffw said:

    Now that Sir Keir has stopped working on a Friday evening we can't expect any more exhortations for a diplomatic solution, so they'll just have to get on with it

    Yes 11 minutes ago. Diplomatic catastrophes will need to wait until 9.00 BST Monday. If it keeps the peace that's a great strategy.
  • BartholomewRobertsBartholomewRoberts Posts: 24,624

    Century for Markram at Lords.

    Have there been any other palindromic Lords centurions?

    First Palindrome century anywhere at international level I can find.

    Two prior first class palindrome centurions, Lal and Nanan.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 54,556

    geoffw said:

    Starmer wants a "diplomatic solution"

    Neville Chamberlain speaks.
    With the exception of Brown and Blair, Starmer is without a shadow of a doubt the most despised PM on Politicalbetting.com

    I think Boris was probably our favourite.
    Sir Twatface's lack of five-star reviews on PB isn't because he's despised, it's because objectively he's useless. ScottP, Stuart in Romford, Bondygoogoo and the like would probably love to defend Starmer but he gives them nothing to work with, so they do other things like talk about Trump.
    Jimmy Carr has Starmer nailed....there is an Asda in the Midlands missing a manager.
    "Since I have been manager of this centre, I am very proud to say there have only been twenty-three deaths. And not one of them was a staff member."
  • TazTaz Posts: 18,938

    geoffw said:

    Starmer wants a "diplomatic solution"

    Neville Chamberlain speaks.
    With the exception of Brown and Blair, Starmer is without a shadow of a doubt the most despised PM on Politicalbetting.com

    I think Boris was probably our favourite.
    Sir Twatface's lack of five-star reviews on PB isn't because he's despised, it's because objectively he's useless. ScottP, Stuart in Romford, Bondygoogoo and the like would probably love to defend Starmer but he gives them nothing to work with, so they do other things like talk about Trump.
    Even labour fanatics have piped down.

    He’s just a mediocre middle manager.
  • TazTaz Posts: 18,938

    geoffw said:

    Starmer wants a "diplomatic solution"

    Neville Chamberlain speaks.
    With the exception of Brown and Blair, Starmer is without a shadow of a doubt the most despised PM on Politicalbetting.com

    I think Boris was probably our favourite.
    Again, hardly.

    Boris was despised on here. Can't think many who had him preferred at the time. HYUFD and myself, not many others. And even I was calling for his exit by the end.

    If it were up to PB Tories, we'd have had Hunt instead.
    You’re absolutely right. Boris was loathed here by the vast majority.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 45,688

    geoffw said:

    Starmer wants a "diplomatic solution"

    Neville Chamberlain speaks.
    With the exception of Brown and Blair, Starmer is without a shadow of a doubt the most despised PM on Politicalbetting.com

    I think Boris was probably our favourite.
    Miliband too. He was hypothetically very pisspoor.
  • Andy_JS said:

    Does anyone know how common it is for an aircraft to be "Stored for parts to be used on other 787's in the fleet" and then "Returned to Service"? These happened on 2019-01-23 and 2019-05-24 respectively according to this page.

    https://www.b787register.co.uk/airframe.php?ln=0026

    It's fairly common if there is a supply shortage of parts or if demand for a particular model of aircraft is low and some have been placed in storage. The A380 is the poster child for this, but it happens to a lot of aircraft. It was very common during the pandemic, no airline wanted to pay for parts if they had airframes just sitting idle that could act as a source.

    Provided the aircraft has been stored correctly, the parts replaced and suitable checks done there's no issue returning it to service.
  • BartholomewRobertsBartholomewRoberts Posts: 24,624

    geoffw said:

    Starmer wants a "diplomatic solution"

    Neville Chamberlain speaks.
    With the exception of Brown and Blair, Starmer is without a shadow of a doubt the most despised PM on Politicalbetting.com

    I think Boris was probably our favourite.
    Again, hardly.

    Boris was despised on here. Can't think many who had him preferred at the time. HYUFD and myself, not many others. And even I was calling for his exit by the end.

    If it were up to PB Tories, we'd have had Hunt instead.
    Au contraire. You loved him! "The Greatest Prime Minister evah".
    Second best post war was what I believe I said.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 32,324
    Taz said:

    geoffw said:

    Starmer wants a "diplomatic solution"

    Neville Chamberlain speaks.
    With the exception of Brown and Blair, Starmer is without a shadow of a doubt the most despised PM on Politicalbetting.com

    I think Boris was probably our favourite.
    Again, hardly.

    Boris was despised on here. Can't think many who had him preferred at the time. HYUFD and myself, not many others. And even I was calling for his exit by the end.

    If it were up to PB Tories, we'd have had Hunt instead.
    You’re absolutely right. Boris was loathed here by the vast majority.
    Not during peak Covid he wasn't. Brexit, Covid, Ukraine? "He got all the big calls right" as I recall
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 32,324

    geoffw said:

    Starmer wants a "diplomatic solution"

    Neville Chamberlain speaks.
    With the exception of Brown and Blair, Starmer is without a shadow of a doubt the most despised PM on Politicalbetting.com

    I think Boris was probably our favourite.
    Again, hardly.

    Boris was despised on here. Can't think many who had him preferred at the time. HYUFD and myself, not many others. And even I was calling for his exit by the end.

    If it were up to PB Tories, we'd have had Hunt instead.
    Au contraire. You loved him! "The Greatest Prime Minister evah".
    Second best post war was what I believe I said.
    Liz Truss was your favourite?
  • BartholomewRobertsBartholomewRoberts Posts: 24,624
    kinabalu said:

    geoffw said:

    Starmer wants a "diplomatic solution"

    Why isn't he saying "Iran had better fold like a dog or there'll be so much brutality they won't have a country anymore."

    That's how political comms are done these days. Starmer is stuck in a bygone age.
    He might be saying something meaningful if he said that, we can't be having that!
  • BartholomewRobertsBartholomewRoberts Posts: 24,624

    geoffw said:

    Starmer wants a "diplomatic solution"

    Neville Chamberlain speaks.
    With the exception of Brown and Blair, Starmer is without a shadow of a doubt the most despised PM on Politicalbetting.com

    I think Boris was probably our favourite.
    Again, hardly.

    Boris was despised on here. Can't think many who had him preferred at the time. HYUFD and myself, not many others. And even I was calling for his exit by the end.

    If it were up to PB Tories, we'd have had Hunt instead.
    Au contraire. You loved him! "The Greatest Prime Minister evah".
    Second best post war was what I believe I said.
    Liz Truss was your favourite?
    I don't have a Tardis so she hadn't been PM yet, so what do you think?
  • theProletheProle Posts: 1,379

    Andy_JS said:

    Does anyone know how common it is for an aircraft to be "Stored for parts to be used on other 787's in the fleet" and then "Returned to Service"? These happened on 2019-01-23 and 2019-05-24 respectively according to this page.

    https://www.b787register.co.uk/airframe.php?ln=0026

    Noy my area, but I bet it's fairly common to swap parts out if there's an immediate spares shortage; and it was only out of service for four months. Planes are often stored for ages - hundreds were during the Covid epidemic in 2020.

    Most parts are, for obvious reasons, designed to be swapped out and replaced. As long as it's done properly.
    No idea on aircraft, but in the railway world, it's not unusual for the most problematic unit of a class to become the depot "Christmas tree", as a conveniently located pile of spare parts.

    Because most units are leased, and usually on the basis that they are returned in working order, it's also not uncommon for there to be an unseamly rush to find enough spares to put a "Christmas Tree" back into working order to go off lease - sometimes just to be driven to a scrapyard by the leasing co, complete with it's stock of new parts.
  • BartholomewRobertsBartholomewRoberts Posts: 24,624

    Taz said:

    geoffw said:

    Starmer wants a "diplomatic solution"

    Neville Chamberlain speaks.
    With the exception of Brown and Blair, Starmer is without a shadow of a doubt the most despised PM on Politicalbetting.com

    I think Boris was probably our favourite.
    Again, hardly.

    Boris was despised on here. Can't think many who had him preferred at the time. HYUFD and myself, not many others. And even I was calling for his exit by the end.

    If it were up to PB Tories, we'd have had Hunt instead.
    You’re absolutely right. Boris was loathed here by the vast majority.
    Not during peak Covid he wasn't. Brexit, Covid, Ukraine? "He got all the big calls right" as I recall
    He did.

    There were still few of us willing to give him that credit where its due.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 32,324

    geoffw said:

    Starmer wants a "diplomatic solution"

    Neville Chamberlain speaks.
    With the exception of Brown and Blair, Starmer is without a shadow of a doubt the most despised PM on Politicalbetting.com

    I think Boris was probably our favourite.
    Again, hardly.

    Boris was despised on here. Can't think many who had him preferred at the time. HYUFD and myself, not many others. And even I was calling for his exit by the end.

    If it were up to PB Tories, we'd have had Hunt instead.
    Au contraire. You loved him! "The Greatest Prime Minister evah".
    Second best post war was what I believe I said.
    Liz Truss was your favourite?
    I don't have a Tardis so she hadn't been PM yet, so what do you think?
    Alec Douglas Home?
  • BartholomewRobertsBartholomewRoberts Posts: 24,624

    geoffw said:

    Starmer wants a "diplomatic solution"

    Neville Chamberlain speaks.
    With the exception of Brown and Blair, Starmer is without a shadow of a doubt the most despised PM on Politicalbetting.com

    I think Boris was probably our favourite.
    Again, hardly.

    Boris was despised on here. Can't think many who had him preferred at the time. HYUFD and myself, not many others. And even I was calling for his exit by the end.

    If it were up to PB Tories, we'd have had Hunt instead.
    Au contraire. You loved him! "The Greatest Prime Minister evah".
    Second best post war was what I believe I said.
    Liz Truss was your favourite?
    I don't have a Tardis so she hadn't been PM yet, so what do you think?
    Alec Douglas Home?
    Strike two.
  • BarnesianBarnesian Posts: 9,189
    edited June 13

    On topic: Dandelion & Burdock.

    Home Bargains stocks an alcoholic version.

    Sarsaperilla
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 32,324

    Taz said:

    geoffw said:

    Starmer wants a "diplomatic solution"

    Neville Chamberlain speaks.
    With the exception of Brown and Blair, Starmer is without a shadow of a doubt the most despised PM on Politicalbetting.com

    I think Boris was probably our favourite.
    Again, hardly.

    Boris was despised on here. Can't think many who had him preferred at the time. HYUFD and myself, not many others. And even I was calling for his exit by the end.

    If it were up to PB Tories, we'd have had Hunt instead.
    You’re absolutely right. Boris was loathed here by the vast majority.
    Not during peak Covid he wasn't. Brexit, Covid, Ukraine? "He got all the big calls right" as I recall
    He did.

    There were still few of us willing to give him that credit where its due.
    If this post doesn't get a hundred likes, I'm a Dutchman!
  • TazTaz Posts: 18,938
    slade said:

    carnforth said:

    On topic: Dandelion & Burdock.

    Home Bargains stocks an alcoholic version.

    This is less gross than it sounds:

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kalimotxo
    Many years ago in Yugoslavia I had a drink called laguna. It was red wine and orange juice. You had to drink it with a straw to keep the two parts separate - moving the straw up and down to drink each in turn.
    Similar to something called Sheridans which was popular in the nineties.
  • TazTaz Posts: 18,938

    geoffw said:

    Starmer wants a "diplomatic solution"

    Neville Chamberlain speaks.
    With the exception of Brown and Blair, Starmer is without a shadow of a doubt the most despised PM on Politicalbetting.com

    I think Boris was probably our favourite.
    Sir Twatface's lack of five-star reviews on PB isn't because he's despised, it's because objectively he's useless. ScottP, Stuart in Romford, Bondygoogoo and the like would probably love to defend Starmer but he gives them nothing to work with, so they do other things like talk about Trump.
    Jimmy Carr has Starmer nailed....there is an Asda in the Midlands missing a manager.
    "Since I have been manager of this centre, I am very proud to say there have only been twenty-three deaths. And not one of them was a staff member."
    In 1988 no one died, in 1989 no one died…….
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 11,358
    edited June 13
    Evening all, back from a hot day helping old man Woolie with stuff. Iran look utterly helpless, total paper tiger unless they have some sort of response in the pipeline. A failure to respond hard will make an uprising much more likely, so I have to imagine something is coming.
    I assume the final council result was posted from Northants? 1 x Reform 1 x Tory and Reform as I predicted screwed up by fielding 3 candidates, they'd have won both seats as Mrs Bone hung on by 3 votes as it was. Tory vote just under halved from 2021 which is probably holding up slightly better than their current polling, the Greens had a cracking result also within a handful of taking the second seat.
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 45,843
    theProle said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Does anyone know how common it is for an aircraft to be "Stored for parts to be used on other 787's in the fleet" and then "Returned to Service"? These happened on 2019-01-23 and 2019-05-24 respectively according to this page.

    https://www.b787register.co.uk/airframe.php?ln=0026

    Noy my area, but I bet it's fairly common to swap parts out if there's an immediate spares shortage; and it was only out of service for four months. Planes are often stored for ages - hundreds were during the Covid epidemic in 2020.

    Most parts are, for obvious reasons, designed to be swapped out and replaced. As long as it's done properly.
    No idea on aircraft, but in the railway world, it's not unusual for the most problematic unit of a class to become the depot "Christmas tree", as a conveniently located pile of spare parts.

    Because most units are leased, and usually on the basis that they are returned in working order, it's also not uncommon for there to be an unseamly rush to find enough spares to put a "Christmas Tree" back into working order to go off lease - sometimes just to be driven to a scrapyard by the leasing co, complete with it's stock of new parts.
    That happened to a newly built Class 58 back in the 80s
  • TazTaz Posts: 18,938

    Taz said:

    geoffw said:

    Starmer wants a "diplomatic solution"

    Neville Chamberlain speaks.
    With the exception of Brown and Blair, Starmer is without a shadow of a doubt the most despised PM on Politicalbetting.com

    I think Boris was probably our favourite.
    Again, hardly.

    Boris was despised on here. Can't think many who had him preferred at the time. HYUFD and myself, not many others. And even I was calling for his exit by the end.

    If it were up to PB Tories, we'd have had Hunt instead.
    You’re absolutely right. Boris was loathed here by the vast majority.
    Not during peak Covid he wasn't. Brexit, Covid, Ukraine? "He got all the big calls right" as I recall
    I joined in 2021.
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 11,358
    Taz said:

    geoffw said:

    Starmer wants a "diplomatic solution"

    Neville Chamberlain speaks.
    With the exception of Brown and Blair, Starmer is without a shadow of a doubt the most despised PM on Politicalbetting.com

    I think Boris was probably our favourite.
    Sir Twatface's lack of five-star reviews on PB isn't because he's despised, it's because objectively he's useless. ScottP, Stuart in Romford, Bondygoogoo and the like would probably love to defend Starmer but he gives them nothing to work with, so they do other things like talk about Trump.
    Jimmy Carr has Starmer nailed....there is an Asda in the Midlands missing a manager.
    "Since I have been manager of this centre, I am very proud to say there have only been twenty-three deaths. And not one of them was a staff member."
    In 1988 no one died, in 1989 no one died…….
    Peter Mandament. Genius
  • MoonRabbitMoonRabbit Posts: 14,332

    geoffw said:

    Starmer wants a "diplomatic solution"

    What an impotent fool.
    I don’t see Israeli or Iranian people as the bad guys - I think both would remove their current governments if allowed free and fair elections tomorrow. I’m on the side of both those peoples, not their Thal and Kaled governments. Peace, and build friendships to knock down barriers, is the only position for serious Christians to take. It’s not naive. This one isn’t a religious conflict - it’s fired by politics and ideology, that rejects peace and breaking down religious and cultural barriers to live in peace together.

    The bottom line up front simply is Netanyahu’s government and its supporters greatest fear is a shifting status quo to a peace deal, that ends, or even reverses Israeli land grab. Hence Netanyahu marching with a coffin to urge Rabin’s slaughter days before he was assassinated.

    https://www.timesofisrael.com/labor-chief-michaeli-rabin-was-assassinated-with-netanyahus-cooperation/

    From a political betting point of view, I think this latest round of Iranian assassinations points to Netanyahu and his government going for an early “khaki” election -
    “Ignore my governments horrendous security blunder that got us entangled in this mess - look at the courageous no nonsense decision making that has restored strong security.”

    The longer he leaves it, the more of an entangled never ending mess without an end game, or convincing security, it’s going to look like.

    The longer he leaves it, more truth of the original security failure comes to light, not least Netanyahu sending suitcases stuffed with cash to Hamas to build them up in first place, a policy he is now repeating by an bolstering ISIS anti Hamas militia - seemingly oblivious to his disastrous funding a rat to kill a rat merely led to the terrorising and slaughter of two thousand people in a pogrom.
  • TheValiantTheValiant Posts: 1,978

    biggles said:

    TOPPING said:

    Leon said:

    The Israeli attack on Iran looks increasingly audacious and clever. They’ve taken out half of Iran’s leadership. They’ve paralysed Tehran

    Unbelievable stuff

    “Similar patterns to the Hezbollah attack. This will likely be revealed as one of the largest operations in modern history. Well-protected sites, top regime officials and key scientists are being targeted. The culmination of decades of Israeli intelligence work inside Iran.”

    Mossad agents smuggled weapons into Iran and destroyed Iran’s missile capability from within. So now Iran is defenceless and Israel is pounding the nuclear sites. They won’t stop until it is all pulverised


    In this instance I am entirely pro Israel. Go Jerusalem. I hope they take out the entire Iranian elite and the Iranian people are liberated

    And yet the audacious and clever Israelis can’t employ a single talking head that might get the rest of the world that aren’t right wing lunatics to feel sympathy towards them. I’ll put that in their ‘things they are very bad at’ folder.
    They really, really don't care.
    Tell me if I've got this wrong.

    Netanyahu knows he'll lose power the minute Israel isn't at war.
    The war with Gaza is 'petering' out, mainly because they've now murdered nearly everyone anyway.
    So he needs a new war to avoid facing the music.
    So he attacks Iran. That'll keep a nice long war going. Fuck Iran, and to be fair, fuck his own civilians and military who will also be murdered in the war.
    At least he keeps power.

    Is it more complicated than that?
    No, its less complicated than that.

    Iran is seeking nuclear weapons.
    Iran can't be allowed to get nuclear weapons.
    Israel can deal with it.
    Nobody else wants to deal with it.
    Israel have dealt with it.
    You don’t see any potential downsides to an escalating conflict between Israel and Iran that might equal the risks of Iran having a couple of bombs?

    You’re not willing to consider the Iranian perspective (whether or not you agree with it) and why it may want the bomb, and think about ways the West could help it decide not to purse that route via peaceful negotiation?

    Military action of all kinds is messy and painful, and civilians die. You try the other stuff first.
    No, I absolutely do not.

    That "other stuff" has been tried. The IAEA confirmed Iran is not meeting its obligations. It's had decades to do so.

    At what point is enough enough for you?

    If not now, then when?

    If you can't provide a when, your objection isn't credible.
    Are you concerned about a nasty country getting access to nukes?

    Because that ship sailed back in 1949. Israel, Pakistan, Russia, the United States (currently - though TACO so I suppose we're actually alright) and both India and China aren't exactly the nicest of countries and all have access to nukes. (And let's not get started on the FRENCH!!!)

    Don't get me wrong, I think Iran deserves what it gets, but as already alluded to, it's a shame that both sides can't both lose.
  • theProletheProle Posts: 1,379
    edited June 13

    Taz said:

    geoffw said:

    Starmer wants a "diplomatic solution"

    Neville Chamberlain speaks.
    With the exception of Brown and Blair, Starmer is without a shadow of a doubt the most despised PM on Politicalbetting.com

    I think Boris was probably our favourite.
    Again, hardly.

    Boris was despised on here. Can't think many who had him preferred at the time. HYUFD and myself, not many others. And even I was calling for his exit by the end.

    If it were up to PB Tories, we'd have had Hunt instead.
    You’re absolutely right. Boris was loathed here by the vast majority.
    Not during peak Covid he wasn't. Brexit, Covid, Ukraine? "He got all the big calls right" as I recall
    I wouldn't say he "got all the big calls right". He didn't. However during Covid, compared to all the other available politicians at the time, Boris's calls were far better, as was observable at the time, and even more obvious in hindsight.

    Starmer, in particular, alway wanted bigger, longer, harder lockdowns, regardless of the availabile evidence. He made a fuss about us single dosing the vulnerable with the first vaccines, despite it being the obvious option to maximise protection with the availabile resources. His behaviour over Covid should have been sufficient to permanently bar him from any political office - we are incredibly fortunate he wasn't Prime Minister when Covid hit. It's just unfortunate that a) post Covid the Tories were particularly useless and b) the public has a very short memory.
  • TazTaz Posts: 18,938
    Wow

    Israel flipped a senior IRGC commander

    https://x.com/drelidavid/status/1933524649872404815?s=61

  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 31,689

    geoffw said:

    Starmer wants a "diplomatic solution"

    Neville Chamberlain speaks.
    With the exception of Brown and Blair, Starmer is without a shadow of a doubt the most despised PM on Politicalbetting.com

    I think Boris was probably our favourite.
    Sir Twatface's lack of five-star reviews on PB isn't because he's despised, it's because objectively he's useless. ScottP, Stuart in Romford, Bondygoogoo and the like would probably love to defend Starmer but he gives them nothing to work with, so they do other things like talk about Trump.
    Jimmy Carr has Starmer nailed....there is an Asda in the Midlands missing a manager.
    "Since I have been manager of this centre, I am very proud to say there have only been twenty-three deaths. And not one of them was a staff member."
    "The last manager left us with a £22 black 'ole in sales of energy drinks - we've had three discounts, 2% increase in potato sales in Q1, new mop for the staff room, and secured the future of a strategic trolley shelter by paying those nice kids from the estate to stop setting fire to it - none of that would happen under them, they haven't got a Cluuuuue."

    "Fine but I was just asking when you were going to get eggs back in stock."
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 32,324
    theProle said:

    Taz said:

    geoffw said:

    Starmer wants a "diplomatic solution"

    Neville Chamberlain speaks.
    With the exception of Brown and Blair, Starmer is without a shadow of a doubt the most despised PM on Politicalbetting.com

    I think Boris was probably our favourite.
    Again, hardly.

    Boris was despised on here. Can't think many who had him preferred at the time. HYUFD and myself, not many others. And even I was calling for his exit by the end.

    If it were up to PB Tories, we'd have had Hunt instead.
    You’re absolutely right. Boris was loathed here by the vast majority.
    Not during peak Covid he wasn't. Brexit, Covid, Ukraine? "He got all the big calls right" as I recall
    I wouldn't say he "got all the big calls right". He didn't. However during Covid, compared to all the other available politicians at the time, Boris's calls were far better, as was observable at the time, and even more obvious in hindsight.

    Starmer, in particular, alway wanted bigger, longer, harder lockdowns, regardless of the availabile evidence. He made a fuss about us single dosing the vulnerable with the first vaccines, despite it being the obvious option to maximise protection with the availabile resources. His behaviour over Covid should have been sufficient to permanently bar him from any political office - we are incredibly fortunate he wasn't Prime Minister when Covid hit. It's just unfortunate that a) post Covid the Tories were particularly useful and b) the public has a very short memory.
    It's a view I suppose.

    The Johnson fightback begins here.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 78,244
    Taz said:

    rcs1000 said:

    What a ridiculous poll.

    There are only a few acceptable alcoholic drinks:

    - Bitter
    - Lager (but only on sunny summer days)
    - Wine
    - Whisky (single malts)
    - Brandy

    And, of course, not all of every category is acceptable. Blue Nun might be "wine", but it is no way an acceptable beverage.

    Cocktails are almost always the sign of some kind of mental breakdown - with very few exceptions. An Aperol Spritz, if imbibed on a warm summer evening, ideally in the garden of a grand European hotel, might be acceptable. And I have been told that there occasions when a Negroni might permissable: if sat next to @Leon for example, and seeking oblivion in as short a time as possible.

    Rubbish

    The best drink in the world is what you, at that moment, want to drink.

    Looking down on others choices is both ridiculous and pointless.

    The only possible valid criticism is the effect of your drinking on others - “I’ve noticed after the fourth Dubonnet & tractor brake fluid that you start fights with everyone.”
    Ha, I remember a thread here where people were looking down their nose at Hardys or Jacobs Creek. I used to enjoy them in the nineties.

    I think there is a majority of people here, and this is not a complaint, who have a privileged life and enjoy decent stuff. But don’t look down on the rest of us.

    I quite like teapigs tea. Not popular here !!
    Soju is incredibly cheap in Korea.
    Less so here.
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