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  • david_herdsondavid_herdson Posts: 18,299
    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    You do realise Bluesky is speedily dwindling?

    I realise you think so.

    But I'd rather spend time in a pleasant pool than an ocean of sewage.
    But it’s not even a pleasant pool. Bluesky is becoming notorious for its bitchiness, it’s brutal pile-ons, it’s purges, blocklists and cancel mobs

    X can be as mad but X is also vast

    Basically you’re floating in a leftist toilet with lots of turds and I’m boating a large lake with some algae and pollution problems during summer
    That's not my experience. Maybe it's just how I curate who I follow and, to an extent, who follows me.
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 43,806

    tlg86 said:

    Is a Labour-SNP coalition the most likely outcome next year?

    No.
    SLab would work with SCons and LDs before considering that, though even I think Reform might be a step too far for them.
    One unintended outcome of the rise of Reform in Scotland is a possible detoxifting of the Tory brand, though the pointing and laughing at their pitifulness might be almost as damaging.
    But Lab+LD+Con doesn't get you near 50% on current polling, so they'd still need to avoid the opposition of SNP or Reform, or the support of the Greens (and even that might not be enough).

    But equally, if SNP+Grn is roughly high-30s, how do they avoid a blocking (and No Confidencing) majority - particularly having gone backwards and with the tiredness and scandals that 19 years in government brings?

    In theory, there's a reasonable case for the SNP to step back, let a red-gold-blue (Romania? Colombia?) coalition form and then leverage their position for goodies, given that their alternative on current numbers is, at best, to have that done to them. But would they?
    The election of First Minister (& therefore the government) is an odd thing. I could see if it's a bad night for the SNP Swinney standing down and the party just saying to the motley crew get on with it. Salmond only became FM in 2007 on 49 votes incl. 2 Greens (not the SNP-SCon coalition/c&s/understanding misremembered by so many experts).
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 19,066
    MattW said:

    Andy_JS said:

    "Miliband: Vast majority of new homes must have solar panels
    Energy Secretary says huge increase in rooftop power is ‘just common sense’ and should become ‘almost universal’"

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2025/06/06/ed-miliband-roof-top-solar-panels-developers-new-builds/

    Why not ALL?
    Because some don't get any significant amounts of sun.
    The ones stuck in the place the sun doesn't shine?

    Is that really true? I'd be amazed if places don't get any sun - unless deep in valleys or something?
  • EabhalEabhal Posts: 10,883
    Leon said:

    Dura_Ace said:

    carnforth said:

    Kemi:



    Don't think it will save her. But it does put clear blue water between the conservatives and the government.

    #2 is morally and intellectually bankrupt. The tories deserve extirpation for that alone.
    lol. You proudly tell us you haven’t paid a fair on the underground for ten years because you constantly dodge the gates because lol “I is anarchy yeah”. Then you come in and take some kind of moral high ground on legal protection of serving British soldiers

    You are fucking ludicrous. Absolutely fucking ludicrous. You’re a fucking ludicrous ageing wanker cosplaying “dangerous sweary person” with “fucking military service yeah” in between sips of weak tea and episodes of Are You Being Served
    U ok bro?
  • DopermeanDopermean Posts: 1,128
    MattW said:

    Nigelb said:

    eek said:

    I see reform thinks that a teenager is a suitable person to lead child services at Leicestershire council

    And a 22 year old leads adult social care

    https://new.basw.co.uk/about-social-work/psw-magazine/articles/reform-councillors-aged-19-and-22-charge-childrens-and

    Did all the other councilors take 2 steps back when the positions were offered because this doesn’t make sense

    They sound nice.

    ..Joseph Boam, 22, now heads up adult social care at Leicestershire County Council (LCC), and Charles Pugsley, 19, who is still at university, has been made cabinet member for children and family services.
    The pair were appointed following the local elections in May, and are responsible for multi-million pound budgets.
    Cllr Deborah Taylor, leader of the opposition at LCC and previous cabinet member for children and families, told PSW magazine: “My concern regarding the appointment of Mr Boam and Mr Pugsley is whether they possess the necessary business, organisational, or life experience to manage complex portfolios.
    “Adult social care and children’s services account for approximately 75 per cent of the council’s £616 million budget.”
    Cllr Boam was recently exposed by Hope Not Hate – a group opposing far-right extremism – as appearing to show support for misogynist Andrew Tate in posts from a now-deleted X account. ..
    Joseph Boam is going to come a big cropper before long.

    His response to his documented social media activity has been total denial - "it does not exist". Nelson at Copenhagen could get away with "I see no ships." Boam at North-West Leicestershire will not. Behaving like a schoolboy accused of smoking behind the bike sheds won't hack it.

    He (as Lead for Adult Social Care / Deputy Leader) is saying things like:

    “Depression isn’t real. You feel sad, you continue with life because there’s no alternative. You will always be depressed if your life is depressing. Fix it.”

    and (of the World Cup)

    “Saudi Arabia, Egypt and Iran are all out. The way things are going England will be the only Muslim country left in the World Cup.”

    Farage previously received, and rejected, formal complaints. World class candidate checking in action; that tells us what Farage actually cares about.

    (Boam has a lot of responsibilities, including the Rights of Way Improvement Plan.)
    How's RoWs related to Adult Social Care?
    Are the rest of the Reform cllrs pulling their weight or are they leaving it to two young, inexperienced colleagues to take the fall?
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 45,557

    Any Derby tips for tomorrow then?
    I'm going for Lazy Griff..partly for the name, partly because it came 2nd in the Chester Vase and partly because it's available at 100/1..Im sure it will go as well as pb.coms Hamilton predictions..😚

    Lazy Griff has a bad draw but of course there are negatives in a 100/1 shot. It might rain one heck of a lot and very soft ground would throw all the pieces into the air. The favourites might not have enough stamina. Just remember to save your bus fare home.
    Soft ground might make me rethink this but I'm looking at Ruling Court.

    Field of Gold is very special and although it would have beaten Ruling Court in the 2G with a better ride it wouldn't have been by much.

    That for me makes Ruling Court the best horse in the Derby and the winner if it stays the trip. 5/1 is decent value imo.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 61,564
    Eabhal said:

    Leon said:

    Dura_Ace said:

    carnforth said:

    Kemi:



    Don't think it will save her. But it does put clear blue water between the conservatives and the government.

    #2 is morally and intellectually bankrupt. The tories deserve extirpation for that alone.
    lol. You proudly tell us you haven’t paid a fair on the underground for ten years because you constantly dodge the gates because lol “I is anarchy yeah”. Then you come in and take some kind of moral high ground on legal protection of serving British soldiers

    You are fucking ludicrous. Absolutely fucking ludicrous. You’re a fucking ludicrous ageing wanker cosplaying “dangerous sweary person” with “fucking military service yeah” in between sips of weak tea and episodes of Are You Being Served
    U ok bro?
    I’ve had coffee
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 65,601

    MattW said:

    Andy_JS said:

    "Miliband: Vast majority of new homes must have solar panels
    Energy Secretary says huge increase in rooftop power is ‘just common sense’ and should become ‘almost universal’"

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2025/06/06/ed-miliband-roof-top-solar-panels-developers-new-builds/

    Why not ALL?
    Because some don't get any significant amounts of sun.
    The ones stuck in the place the sun doesn't shine?

    Is that really true? I'd be amazed if places don't get any sun - unless deep in valleys or something?
    North facing roofs
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 54,899
    Leon said:

    Dura_Ace said:

    carnforth said:

    Kemi:



    Don't think it will save her. But it does put clear blue water between the conservatives and the government.

    #2 is morally and intellectually bankrupt. The tories deserve extirpation for that alone.
    lol. You proudly tell us you haven’t paid a fair on the underground for ten years because you constantly dodge the gates because lol “I is anarchy yeah”. Then you come in and take some kind of moral high ground on legal protection of serving British soldiers

    You are fucking ludicrous. Absolutely fucking ludicrous. You’re a fucking ludicrous ageing wanker cosplaying “dangerous sweary person” with “fucking military service yeah” in between sips of weak tea and episodes of Are You Being Served
    Actually look up some of the court cases. Then say that they are all malicious.

    That being said, I would take the position of making it work both ways - lets have some fun prosecuting the other side(s) as well.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 51,855

    Dura_Ace said:

    carnforth said:

    Kemi:



    Don't think it will save her. But it does put clear blue water between the conservatives and the government.

    #2 is morally and intellectually bankrupt. The tories deserve extirpation for that alone.
    I'm not wildly enthusiastic about §4 either. We send load of people to prison, and basically all it teaches them, as someone more knowledgeable than me said, to be better criminals.
    Anyway, who ran down the justice and the prison systems to breaking point, and indeed beyond, over the last few years?
    Frankly none of them are very appealing.

    No wonder the Tories are circling the plughole.
  • eekeek Posts: 30,224
    Dopermean said:

    MattW said:

    Nigelb said:

    eek said:

    I see reform thinks that a teenager is a suitable person to lead child services at Leicestershire council

    And a 22 year old leads adult social care

    https://new.basw.co.uk/about-social-work/psw-magazine/articles/reform-councillors-aged-19-and-22-charge-childrens-and

    Did all the other councilors take 2 steps back when the positions were offered because this doesn’t make sense

    They sound nice.

    ..Joseph Boam, 22, now heads up adult social care at Leicestershire County Council (LCC), and Charles Pugsley, 19, who is still at university, has been made cabinet member for children and family services.
    The pair were appointed following the local elections in May, and are responsible for multi-million pound budgets.
    Cllr Deborah Taylor, leader of the opposition at LCC and previous cabinet member for children and families, told PSW magazine: “My concern regarding the appointment of Mr Boam and Mr Pugsley is whether they possess the necessary business, organisational, or life experience to manage complex portfolios.
    “Adult social care and children’s services account for approximately 75 per cent of the council’s £616 million budget.”
    Cllr Boam was recently exposed by Hope Not Hate – a group opposing far-right extremism – as appearing to show support for misogynist Andrew Tate in posts from a now-deleted X account. ..
    Joseph Boam is going to come a big cropper before long.

    His response to his documented social media activity has been total denial - "it does not exist". Nelson at Copenhagen could get away with "I see no ships." Boam at North-West Leicestershire will not. Behaving like a schoolboy accused of smoking behind the bike sheds won't hack it.

    He (as Lead for Adult Social Care / Deputy Leader) is saying things like:

    “Depression isn’t real. You feel sad, you continue with life because there’s no alternative. You will always be depressed if your life is depressing. Fix it.”

    and (of the World Cup)

    “Saudi Arabia, Egypt and Iran are all out. The way things are going England will be the only Muslim country left in the World Cup.”

    Farage previously received, and rejected, formal complaints. World class candidate checking in action; that tells us what Farage actually cares about.

    (Boam has a lot of responsibilities, including the Rights of Way Improvement Plan.)
    How's RoWs related to Adult Social Care?
    Are the rest of the Reform cllrs pulling their weight or are they leaving it to two young, inexperienced colleagues to take the fall?
    The rest of them were probably paper candidates hoping not to win - and definitely not prepared for the amount of work being a councillor requires
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 54,899
    Leon said:

    Eabhal said:

    Leon said:

    Dura_Ace said:

    carnforth said:

    Kemi:



    Don't think it will save her. But it does put clear blue water between the conservatives and the government.

    #2 is morally and intellectually bankrupt. The tories deserve extirpation for that alone.
    lol. You proudly tell us you haven’t paid a fair on the underground for ten years because you constantly dodge the gates because lol “I is anarchy yeah”. Then you come in and take some kind of moral high ground on legal protection of serving British soldiers

    You are fucking ludicrous. Absolutely fucking ludicrous. You’re a fucking ludicrous ageing wanker cosplaying “dangerous sweary person” with “fucking military service yeah” in between sips of weak tea and episodes of Are You Being Served
    U ok bro?
    I’ve had coffee
    Irish, Russian, Jamaican*?

    *there used to be a cafe next to the Prince Charles Cinema in Leicester square, late opening, great for after films. They listed Coffee With A Shot in it for about half a page - using country names vaguely associated with the booze. Anyone remember the name?
  • Dura_AceDura_Ace Posts: 14,509

    Leon said:

    Dura_Ace said:

    carnforth said:

    Kemi:



    Don't think it will save her. But it does put clear blue water between the conservatives and the government.

    #2 is morally and intellectually bankrupt. The tories deserve extirpation for that alone.
    lol. You proudly tell us you haven’t paid a fair on the underground for ten years because you constantly dodge the gates because lol “I is anarchy yeah”. Then you come in and take some kind of moral high ground on legal protection of serving British soldiers

    You are fucking ludicrous. Absolutely fucking ludicrous. You’re a fucking ludicrous ageing wanker cosplaying “dangerous sweary person” with “fucking military service yeah” in between sips of weak tea and episodes of Are You Being Served
    Actually look up some of the court cases. Then say that they are all malicious.

    I'd reckon less than 10% of what went on in Iraq even got investigated and way less than 1% got prosecuted. Dunno about the Stan.
  • RattersRatters Posts: 1,344
    TimS said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Richard Tice describing third place as 'seismic'
    Utterly delusional.
    Its a good result, third is not and has never been 'seismic'

    It's not far off it in my opinion. Scotland is probably the worst place in the UK for RefUK, although it could also be London.
    West half of (especially SW) and central London is worst probably
    Interesting question. Where is the least reformy place in the country? Probably not Lib-Con marginals in the blue wall as many of those Cons will have switched. Either LD strongholds like Kingston & Surbiton or Labour-Green-Gaza seats in inner cities I assume.
    As much as I want Kingston & Surbiton to be true, Reform did get 9.4% there in 2024. There were 134 seats they did worse in where they stood.

    The Lib Dems are safe there but it wouldn't surprise me if Reform jump to second place next time (Tories on 17%). But it won't be close to Lib Dems.
  • EabhalEabhal Posts: 10,883

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    You do realise Bluesky is speedily dwindling?

    I realise you think so.

    But I'd rather spend time in a pleasant pool than an ocean of sewage.
    But it’s not even a pleasant pool. Bluesky is becoming notorious for its bitchiness, it’s brutal pile-ons, it’s purges, blocklists and cancel mobs

    X can be as mad but X is also vast

    Basically you’re floating in a leftist toilet with lots of turds and I’m boating a large lake with some algae and pollution problems during summer
    That's not my experience. Maybe it's just how I curate who I follow and, to an extent, who follows me.
    Perhaps the Bluesky experience reflects the user?
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 51,855
    MattW said:

    Selebian said:

    Leon said:

    Well done Labour. I’d rather they won than the Nits


    Not a bad job by Reform

    Hang on, I thought voting Labour was basically treason at this point?
    Everyone loves to be on the winning team..😚
    The Daily Moan is hilarious today. It has basically found other things to talk about.
    But they are really important stories. We all need to know about rogue truffles:

    Diner who blamed 'runaway chocolate truffle' when she slipped in high heels exiting Michelin-listed restaurant loses £100,000 payout claim

    She blamed her accident on stepping on a 'runaway' caramel-filled chocolate truffle as she got up from her chair - saying the errant dessert had been 'dropped but not retrieved' by a waiter.

    Mrs Malik, of South Croydon, sued the restaurant's owners, Simply Chapters Ltd, for up to £100,000 in damages over the impact of the October 2020 accident.

    But the restaurant denied liability and, while not disputing that a truffle was dropped onto the floor, the restaurant's managers insisted Mrs Malik did not step on it before her tumble.

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14786583/Diner-chocolate-truffle-Michelin-restaurant.html
    The defence raised other possibilities:

    "She sketched out multiple alternative possible causes of Mrs Malik's loss of balance including the fact that she had knocked back up to three glasses of wine, a 'somewhat slippery floor,' fatigue at the end of the day, and wearing high heels."

    Or as we used to record in Casualty notes PFO (Pissed, Fell Over).
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 62,598
    TimS said:

    TimS said:

    eek said:

    I see reform thinks that a teenager is a suitable person to lead child services at Leicestershire council

    And a 22 year old leads adult social care

    https://new.basw.co.uk/about-social-work/psw-magazine/articles/reform-councillors-aged-19-and-22-charge-childrens-and

    Did all the other councillors take 2 steps back when the positions were offered because this doesn’t make sense

    Well Labour and the SNP (among others) think 16 year olds deserve the vote. It surely depends on the person. Now if you don't think any 19 year old or 22 year old should be a councillor, thats a different question, and tbh, one I think is worth asking.
    A progressive idea is that sentences for crimes committed by under 25s should be less, since their brains aren't fully developed. and they aren't fully responsible.

    I've seen that advocated by the same people pushing for a reduction in voting age.
    I’m a fan of the proxy parental vote system. You get one vote if you’re over 18, plus a vote for every dependent child. To avoid double counting, that dependent cannot themselves vote, and only one carer gets their allocation.

    So my family would get 4 votes rather than 2. A pro natal policy that should appeal across the spectrum, except perhaps with Greens who would prefer nobody has children.


    That's an idea which is not something I can support. Punishing those unable to have children is not right. Someone unable or unwilling to have children should not have less electoral weight than those wealthy or feckless enough to have many. Parents already benefit from the free healthcare and education their children receive, plus receiving benefits.
    It wasn’t a serious proposal, though it’s still an interesting concept.
    Ah, you'll have to forgive me, I'm rather sleepy this morning.
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 19,066

    MattW said:

    Andy_JS said:

    "Miliband: Vast majority of new homes must have solar panels
    Energy Secretary says huge increase in rooftop power is ‘just common sense’ and should become ‘almost universal’"

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2025/06/06/ed-miliband-roof-top-solar-panels-developers-new-builds/

    Why not ALL?
    Because some don't get any significant amounts of sun.
    The ones stuck in the place the sun doesn't shine?

    Is that really true? I'd be amazed if places don't get any sun - unless deep in valleys or something?
    North facing roofs
    And no other roof?
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 127,936
    Eabhal said:

    HYUFD said:

    Eabhal said:

    HYUFD said:

    Eabhal said:

    HYUFD said:

    Clearly a boost for Labour and bad result for the SNP. Rather amusing the SNP vote ended up down even more than the Conservative vote in the end.

    It seems plenty of Scottish
    nationalists are attracted by Reform not just rightwing conservatives


    FPT:

    The narrative developing here that the SNP are losing significant numbers of voters to Reform is just... I think this is a coping mechanism for PB Tories.

    Looking at the Survation poll - a full Scottish poll but I'm quoting sub-samples from it - 4% of the SNP's GE '24 vote is going to Reform. Whichever way you cut, the SNP is simply not the main source the source of votes - it looks like nearly half of the SCon vote is going Reform, for example.

    But the bigger story is that the core Reform base is highly energised (voter retention is 90%+) and they are invigorating lots of new voters. That's the same in Scotland as in England.

    (I guess Scottish nationalist is different to SNP supporter. Someone singing Rule Britannia at Ibrox could be described as a nationalist from Scotland...).
    The SNP vote was down 16% last night, the Con vote down 11% and the Reform vote up 26%.

    On those numbers you could say more 2021 SNP voters went Reform than 2021 Con voters (though clearly some 2024 Labour voters who went SNP in 2021 also went Reform last night)
    For the umpteenth time, no you can't. You couldn't even say that if turnout was 100%.

    We have no information about how voters have moved from party to party, or to or from not voting in Hamilton. But the polling in Scotland suggests that the SNP are not losing many of their previous voters to Reform.
    The SNP clearly are losing many of their 2021 Holyrood voters to Reform even if holding their 2024 SNP Westminster voters
    Citation needed.

    Edit: in fact, Survation polled this as well. Sub&sample, but only 8% of SNP 2021 voters are going Reform. That compares with 37% of Con and 17% of Lab. But those flows will be dwarfed by those from previous non-voters.
    If Survation's Scottish figures had been right the SNP would have clearly held Hamilton
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 38,853

    Leon said:

    Dura_Ace said:

    carnforth said:

    Kemi:



    Don't think it will save her. But it does put clear blue water between the conservatives and the government.

    #2 is morally and intellectually bankrupt. The tories deserve extirpation for that alone.
    lol. You proudly tell us you haven’t paid a fair on the underground for ten years because you constantly dodge the gates because lol “I is anarchy yeah”. Then you come in and take some kind of moral high ground on legal protection of serving British soldiers

    You are fucking ludicrous. Absolutely fucking ludicrous. You’re a fucking ludicrous ageing wanker cosplaying “dangerous sweary person” with “fucking military service yeah” in between sips of weak tea and episodes of Are You Being Served
    Actually look up some of the court cases. Then say that they are all malicious.

    That being said, I would take the position of making it work both ways - lets have some fun prosecuting the other side(s) as well.
    We all remember the egregious Phil "Knob" Shiner.
  • noneoftheabovenoneoftheabove Posts: 24,676
    carnforth said:

    Kemi:



    Don't think it will save her. But it does put clear blue water between the conservatives and the government.

    Wishy washy. You don't need a review to decide this. If those are your tests and they are more important than everything else then just say you will leave the ECHR, as Farage has done. There is close to zero market share available that wants a wishy washy exit from the ECHR rather than a bold exit.
  • noneoftheabovenoneoftheabove Posts: 24,676
    Foxy said:

    MattW said:

    Selebian said:

    Leon said:

    Well done Labour. I’d rather they won than the Nits


    Not a bad job by Reform

    Hang on, I thought voting Labour was basically treason at this point?
    Everyone loves to be on the winning team..😚
    The Daily Moan is hilarious today. It has basically found other things to talk about.
    But they are really important stories. We all need to know about rogue truffles:

    Diner who blamed 'runaway chocolate truffle' when she slipped in high heels exiting Michelin-listed restaurant loses £100,000 payout claim

    She blamed her accident on stepping on a 'runaway' caramel-filled chocolate truffle as she got up from her chair - saying the errant dessert had been 'dropped but not retrieved' by a waiter.

    Mrs Malik, of South Croydon, sued the restaurant's owners, Simply Chapters Ltd, for up to £100,000 in damages over the impact of the October 2020 accident.

    But the restaurant denied liability and, while not disputing that a truffle was dropped onto the floor, the restaurant's managers insisted Mrs Malik did not step on it before her tumble.

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14786583/Diner-chocolate-truffle-Michelin-restaurant.html
    The defence raised other possibilities:

    "She sketched out multiple alternative possible causes of Mrs Malik's loss of balance including the fact that she had knocked back up to three glasses of wine, a 'somewhat slippery floor,' fatigue at the end of the day, and wearing high heels."

    Or as we used to record in Casualty notes PFO (Pissed, Fell Over).
    Why does a rogue truffle = £100k and a slippery floor = £0k?
  • LeonLeon Posts: 61,564
    edited June 6

    carnforth said:

    Kemi:



    Don't think it will save her. But it does put clear blue water between the conservatives and the government.

    Wishy washy. You don't need a review to decide this. If those are your tests and they are more important than everything else then just say you will leave the ECHR, as Farage has done. There is close to zero market share available that wants a wishy washy exit from the ECHR rather than a bold exit.
    But it’s not bad as retail politics. Five point plans often sound good - here are FIVE firm and detailed proposals! (but not too detailed) - which is why they are used constantly by everyone



  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 65,601

    MattW said:

    Andy_JS said:

    "Miliband: Vast majority of new homes must have solar panels
    Energy Secretary says huge increase in rooftop power is ‘just common sense’ and should become ‘almost universal’"

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2025/06/06/ed-miliband-roof-top-solar-panels-developers-new-builds/

    Why not ALL?
    Because some don't get any significant amounts of sun.
    The ones stuck in the place the sun doesn't shine?

    Is that really true? I'd be amazed if places don't get any sun - unless deep in valleys or something?
    North facing roofs
    And no other roof?
    Due east will be limited
  • noneoftheabovenoneoftheabove Posts: 24,676
    Leon said:

    carnforth said:

    Kemi:



    Don't think it will save her. But it does put clear blue water between the conservatives and the government.

    Wishy washy. You don't need a review to decide this. If those are your tests and they are more important than everything else then just say you will leave the ECHR, as Farage has done. There is close to zero market share available that wants a wishy washy exit from the ECHR rather than a bold exit.
    But it’s not bad as retail politics. Five point plans often sound good, which is why they are used constantly by everyone



    It is bad. Next month Refukkers +1 or +2. Conservatives -1 or -2 yet again. And this kind of wishy washy farage lite is why.
  • BattlebusBattlebus Posts: 897
    edited June 6
    MattW said:

    Battlebus said:

    MattW said:

    Good morning everyone.

    FPT
    How hard did SLab campaign and mobilise on this?

    Did they learn the lesson of a loss by a squeak in Runcorn?

    GOTV is still the basis of any campaign. Reform are running on a wave of positive media support (click-bait/cutn'paste press releases). When the positive wave turns negative, we'll see if Reform have the ground game of the legacy parties.

    Note the level of UKIP support in Hamilton (great racecourse by the way)
    New UKIP or Old UKIP (with the switch around ~2016 when Farage left) are somewhat different animals, with the new UKIP being aligned with groups such as Turning Point UK and more ideological. By comparison Farage imo is a marketeer riding whichever horse (or set of 2-3 horses) is to hand.

    Are you remarking on how many votes they received, or how few?

    In Hamilton New UKIP has received 0.1-0.2% of the vote, whilst Old UKIP peaked at around 2.5% in the mid-2010s.

    Compared to eg my area (ie Dennis Skinner / Geoff Hoon country), Old UKIP peaked at 20%+ in 2015 (benefiting from Jason Zadrozny standing down for alleged-scandal reasons, and also the BNP collapsing), and those people imo now form a big chunk of Lee Anderson's base to which he panders. New UKIP do not exist locally in visible politics.
    My view is that Reform or UKIP or whoever is held up by Farage will deflate when he moves on. There are no structures in place other than media support for whatever fad he picks up on. Going by his track record in Brussels, he's no more than a media tart - and a less successful one than Trump.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 27,631

    MattW said:

    Andy_JS said:

    "Miliband: Vast majority of new homes must have solar panels
    Energy Secretary says huge increase in rooftop power is ‘just common sense’ and should become ‘almost universal’"

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2025/06/06/ed-miliband-roof-top-solar-panels-developers-new-builds/

    Why not ALL?
    Because some don't get any significant amounts of sun.
    The ones stuck in the place the sun doesn't shine?

    Is that really true? I'd be amazed if places don't get any sun - unless deep in valleys or something?
    One class is panels on the N side - clearly. But that may be mitigated by panels which can use general light.

    There are cases like the ones you say, but more eg new developments in a former quarry, developments up against the N side of shelter belts, or woods which shield the development visually, or similarly in a garden square or a park with mature trees, or just street trees, houses sheltered by areas of taller buildings, and so on.

    It's probably only single figure percentages, but they are everywhere.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 61,564
    edited June 6

    Leon said:

    carnforth said:

    Kemi:



    Don't think it will save her. But it does put clear blue water between the conservatives and the government.

    Wishy washy. You don't need a review to decide this. If those are your tests and they are more important than everything else then just say you will leave the ECHR, as Farage has done. There is close to zero market share available that wants a wishy washy exit from the ECHR rather than a bold exit.
    But it’s not bad as retail politics. Five point plans often sound good, which is why they are used constantly by everyone



    It is bad. Next month Refukkers +1 or +2. Conservatives -1 or -2 yet again. And this kind of wishy washy farage lite is why.
    It won’t nudge the dial either way. But it gives Kemi a means of placating both wings of her party and also looking sensible and patriotic

    She really is in a bind. The entire country wants to vote for a British Pinochet but she’s stuck in some weird rump Cameroon sect of MPs that are basically Lib Dems
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 54,899
    Sean_F said:

    Leon said:

    Dura_Ace said:

    carnforth said:

    Kemi:



    Don't think it will save her. But it does put clear blue water between the conservatives and the government.

    #2 is morally and intellectually bankrupt. The tories deserve extirpation for that alone.
    lol. You proudly tell us you haven’t paid a fair on the underground for ten years because you constantly dodge the gates because lol “I is anarchy yeah”. Then you come in and take some kind of moral high ground on legal protection of serving British soldiers

    You are fucking ludicrous. Absolutely fucking ludicrous. You’re a fucking ludicrous ageing wanker cosplaying “dangerous sweary person” with “fucking military service yeah” in between sips of weak tea and episodes of Are You Being Served
    Actually look up some of the court cases. Then say that they are all malicious.

    That being said, I would take the position of making it work both ways - lets have some fun prosecuting the other side(s) as well.
    We all remember the egregious Phil "Knob" Shiner.
    Indeed - but there are plenty that aren't bogus.

    For example, the charming chap who dragged a prisoner out of sight of a surveillance post, explained to the camera (4K quality) which war crime he was about to commit, then shot him.
  • BurgessianBurgessian Posts: 3,026

    What a great result for Scottish Labour. I imagine there’s a fair amount of cheer in Labour quarters.

    Troubling for the SNP. And a Reform breakthrough looms.

    It's not remotely a great result for Labour, who won the seat with their second-smallest share of the vote in the constituency ever.

    Sure, a win is a win but this augurs very badly for Labour at the next GE (which granted is quite a way off), and also pretty badly for the next Holyrood and Scottish council elections, which are not far off.
    Yeah, kinda. But it gives them grounds for (modest) optimism that they can slug it out with the SNP in the Central Belt and take back quite a few FPTP seats. That prospect really did seem to be slipping away from them.

    I was surprised at the SNP slump given Swinney's attempt to rally the troops in the face of the Reform threat.
  • Dura_AceDura_Ace Posts: 14,509


    Wishy washy. You don't need a review to decide this. If those are your tests and they are more important than everything else then just say you will leave the ECHR, as Farage has done. There is close to zero market share available that wants a wishy washy exit from the ECHR rather than a bold exit.

    Being eBay Reform is not a winning strategy because they can't out-fukk the Fukkers.

    How do you top this?


  • LeonLeon Posts: 61,564
    Battlebus said:

    MattW said:

    Battlebus said:

    MattW said:

    Good morning everyone.

    FPT
    How hard did SLab campaign and mobilise on this?

    Did they learn the lesson of a loss by a squeak in Runcorn?

    GOTV is still the basis of any campaign. Reform are running on a wave of positive media support (click-bait/cutn'paste press releases). When the positive wave turns negative, we'll see if Reform have the ground game of the legacy parties.

    Note the level of UKIP support in Hamilton (great racecourse by the way)
    New UKIP or Old UKIP (with the switch around ~2016 when Farage left) are somewhat different animals, with the new UKIP being aligned with groups such as Turning Point UK and more ideological. By comparison Farage imo is a marketeer riding whichever horse (or set of 2-3 horses) is to hand.

    Are you remarking on how many votes they received, or how few?

    In Hamilton New UKIP has received 0.1-0.2% of the vote, whilst Old UKIP peaked at around 2.5% in the mid-2010s.

    Compared to eg my area (ie Dennis Skinner / Geoff Hoon country), Old UKIP peaked at 20%+ in 2015 (benefiting from Jason Zadrozny standing down for alleged-scandal reasons, and also the BNP collapsing), and those people imo now form a big chunk of Lee Anderson's base to which he panders. New UKIP do not exist locally in visible politics.
    My view is that Reform or UKIP or whoever is held up by Farage will deflate when he moves on. There are no structures in place other than media support for whatever fad he picks up on. Going by his track record in Brussels, he's no more than a media tart - and a less successful one than Trump.
    Being “less successful than the man twice elected to the most powerful political office on earth” is not exactly the harshest judgment

    Also, it’s a load of bollocks. Farage has twice upended British politics and without him we wouldn’t have Brexited. He’s the most successful UK politician of the century so far
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 54,899
    Battlebus said:

    MattW said:

    Battlebus said:

    MattW said:

    Good morning everyone.

    FPT
    How hard did SLab campaign and mobilise on this?

    Did they learn the lesson of a loss by a squeak in Runcorn?

    GOTV is still the basis of any campaign. Reform are running on a wave of positive media support (click-bait/cutn'paste press releases). When the positive wave turns negative, we'll see if Reform have the ground game of the legacy parties.

    Note the level of UKIP support in Hamilton (great racecourse by the way)
    New UKIP or Old UKIP (with the switch around ~2016 when Farage left) are somewhat different animals, with the new UKIP being aligned with groups such as Turning Point UK and more ideological. By comparison Farage imo is a marketeer riding whichever horse (or set of 2-3 horses) is to hand.

    Are you remarking on how many votes they received, or how few?

    In Hamilton New UKIP has received 0.1-0.2% of the vote, whilst Old UKIP peaked at around 2.5% in the mid-2010s.

    Compared to eg my area (ie Dennis Skinner / Geoff Hoon country), Old UKIP peaked at 20%+ in 2015 (benefiting from Jason Zadrozny standing down for alleged-scandal reasons, and also the BNP collapsing), and those people imo now form a big chunk of Lee Anderson's base to which he panders. New UKIP do not exist locally in visible politics.
    My view is that Reform or UKIP or whoever is held up by Farage will deflate when he moves on. There are no structures in place other than media support for whatever fad he picks up on. Going by his track record in Brussels, he's no more than a media tart - and a less successful one than Trump.
    Maybe - but the 30% voting for him/Reform will simply move to the next vehicle.
  • SelebianSelebian Posts: 9,341

    I shall be off shortly for my weekly winding up of Pa Woolie. Having Robojenricked him into a fever last week I'm excited to remember that whilst he very much dislikes Trump, he really hates Musk. Delicious mischief afternoon ahead

    Have you got time to rent a Tesla to turn up in?
  • MattWMattW Posts: 27,631
    MattW said:

    MattW said:

    Andy_JS said:

    "Miliband: Vast majority of new homes must have solar panels
    Energy Secretary says huge increase in rooftop power is ‘just common sense’ and should become ‘almost universal’"

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2025/06/06/ed-miliband-roof-top-solar-panels-developers-new-builds/

    Why not ALL?
    Because some don't get any significant amounts of sun.
    The ones stuck in the place the sun doesn't shine?

    Is that really true? I'd be amazed if places don't get any sun - unless deep in valleys or something?
    One class is panels on the N side - clearly. But that may be mitigated by panels which can use general light.

    There are cases like the ones you say, but more eg new developments in a former quarry, developments up against the N side of shelter belts, or woods which shield the development visually, or similarly in a garden square or a park with mature trees, or just street trees, houses sheltered by areas of taller buildings, and so on.

    It's probably only single figure percentages, but they are everywhere.
    Here for example is a 90s (?) estate in Chartham near Canterbury. If you look in detail at the layout, a fair chunk of the houses have mature trees to their South, which means very little high impact direct sun.

    I know someone who lives there and they like the coolness in summer.

    https://maps.app.goo.gl/AyAZYrM9LbU5eo8h9
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 127,936
    edited June 6
    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    carnforth said:

    Kemi:



    Don't think it will save her. But it does put clear blue water between the conservatives and the government.

    Wishy washy. You don't need a review to decide this. If those are your tests and they are more important than everything else then just say you will leave the ECHR, as Farage has done. There is close to zero market share available that wants a wishy washy exit from the ECHR rather than a bold exit.
    But it’s not bad as retail politics. Five point plans often sound good, which is why they are used constantly by everyone



    It is bad. Next month Refukkers +1 or +2. Conservatives -1 or -2 yet again. And this kind of wishy washy farage lite is why.
    It won’t nudge the dial either way. But it gives Kemi a means of placating both wings of her party and also looking sensible and patriotic

    She really is in a bind. The entire country wants to vote for a British Pinochet but she’s stuck in some weird rump Cameroon sect of MPs that are basically Lib Dems
    If the 'entire country wanted to vote for a British Pinochet' Reform would be on 51% not just under 30%.

    She can't out Farage Farage so her main focus should be on holding those who still voted Tory in 2024 and trying to win back a few who went Labour or LD at the last GE but voted Conservative in 2019
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 19,066

    MattW said:

    Andy_JS said:

    "Miliband: Vast majority of new homes must have solar panels
    Energy Secretary says huge increase in rooftop power is ‘just common sense’ and should become ‘almost universal’"

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2025/06/06/ed-miliband-roof-top-solar-panels-developers-new-builds/

    Why not ALL?
    Because some don't get any significant amounts of sun.
    The ones stuck in the place the sun doesn't shine?

    Is that really true? I'd be amazed if places don't get any sun - unless deep in valleys or something?
    North facing roofs
    And no other roof?
    Due east will be limited
    How many houses have a roof that only faces in one direction? Most are ridged.
  • SelebianSelebian Posts: 9,341
    Eabhal said:

    Andy_JS said:

    "Miliband: Vast majority of new homes must have solar panels
    Energy Secretary says huge increase in rooftop power is ‘just common sense’ and should become ‘almost universal’"

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2025/06/06/ed-miliband-roof-top-solar-panels-developers-new-builds/

    I actually disagree with this. We have plenty of solar energy during the day and we should let the market decide whether it's worth putting them on new builds.

    A better regulation or subsidy would be heat pumps and/or batteries. 1 EV charge point per house should be compulsory.
    Heat pumps in particular - retrofitting (low temp, most efficient) ones is not realistic in many cases, but at the point of building is not that big a deal compared to gas CH (if done at the estate level than you also save on putting in all the gas infrastructure).

    Batteries/solar panels also make sense, but are much easier to retrofit (there may be an argument for panels to whack them on, even if not fully wired in/no inverter etc as the scaffolding for retrofitting is a fairly substantial cost, I would guess).
  • SelebianSelebian Posts: 9,341

    MattW said:

    Andy_JS said:

    "Miliband: Vast majority of new homes must have solar panels
    Energy Secretary says huge increase in rooftop power is ‘just common sense’ and should become ‘almost universal’"

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2025/06/06/ed-miliband-roof-top-solar-panels-developers-new-builds/

    Why not ALL?
    Because some don't get any significant amounts of sun.
    The ones stuck in the place the sun doesn't shine?

    Is that really true? I'd be amazed if places don't get any sun - unless deep in valleys or something?
    North facing roofs
    Most buildings with north-facing roofs also have south-facing roofs too, though.
    (I appreciate residences may not, e.g. if flats with a flat only in the north part of building - but many apartment blocks have flat roofs anyway)
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 35,387

    Andy_JS said:

    "Miliband: Vast majority of new homes must have solar panels
    Energy Secretary says huge increase in rooftop power is ‘just common sense’ and should become ‘almost universal’"

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2025/06/06/ed-miliband-roof-top-solar-panels-developers-new-builds/

    Why not ALL?
    I would prioritise solar panels on large buildings like warehouses, factories, supermarkets, shopping centres, etc, rather than private residences.
  • SelebianSelebian Posts: 9,341

    MattW said:

    Andy_JS said:

    "Miliband: Vast majority of new homes must have solar panels
    Energy Secretary says huge increase in rooftop power is ‘just common sense’ and should become ‘almost universal’"

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2025/06/06/ed-miliband-roof-top-solar-panels-developers-new-builds/

    Why not ALL?
    Because some don't get any significant amounts of sun.
    The ones stuck in the place the sun doesn't shine?

    Is that really true? I'd be amazed if places don't get any sun - unless deep in valleys or something?
    North facing roofs
    And no other roof?
    Due east will be limited
    We've only got south-facing panels (about a decade old), but neighbours who have had them installed more recently have them on south, west and east - the panel cost is so low that it makes sense, certainly as an add-on if you're already doing the others and the inverter etc. Even if you have (only) perfectly west and east facing roofs, I'd have thought they'd still make sense in much of the UK.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 65,601
    edited June 6

    MattW said:

    Andy_JS said:

    "Miliband: Vast majority of new homes must have solar panels
    Energy Secretary says huge increase in rooftop power is ‘just common sense’ and should become ‘almost universal’"

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2025/06/06/ed-miliband-roof-top-solar-panels-developers-new-builds/

    Why not ALL?
    Because some don't get any significant amounts of sun.
    The ones stuck in the place the sun doesn't shine?

    Is that really true? I'd be amazed if places don't get any sun - unless deep in valleys or something?
    North facing roofs
    And no other roof?
    Due east will be limited
    How many houses have a roof that only faces in one direction? Most are ridged.
    Yes but it limits the number if it is a small home

    In our case we have 16 panels, 10 south facing and 6 west

    I would just say our older panels attracted gulls to nest alongside and pigeons underneath

    I spent a considerable amount on proofing them, but today's integrating to the roof tiles are much better and eradicate the problem

    And I have just received payment of £337 for the March to June quarter, a record amount
  • MattWMattW Posts: 27,631
    edited June 6
    Dopermean said:

    MattW said:

    Nigelb said:

    eek said:

    I see reform thinks that a teenager is a suitable person to lead child services at Leicestershire council

    And a 22 year old leads adult social care

    https://new.basw.co.uk/about-social-work/psw-magazine/articles/reform-councillors-aged-19-and-22-charge-childrens-and

    Did all the other councilors take 2 steps back when the positions were offered because this doesn’t make sense

    They sound nice.

    ..Joseph Boam, 22, now heads up adult social care at Leicestershire County Council (LCC), and Charles Pugsley, 19, who is still at university, has been made cabinet member for children and family services.
    The pair were appointed following the local elections in May, and are responsible for multi-million pound budgets.
    Cllr Deborah Taylor, leader of the opposition at LCC and previous cabinet member for children and families, told PSW magazine: “My concern regarding the appointment of Mr Boam and Mr Pugsley is whether they possess the necessary business, organisational, or life experience to manage complex portfolios.
    “Adult social care and children’s services account for approximately 75 per cent of the council’s £616 million budget.”
    Cllr Boam was recently exposed by Hope Not Hate – a group opposing far-right extremism – as appearing to show support for misogynist Andrew Tate in posts from a now-deleted X account. ..
    Joseph Boam is going to come a big cropper before long.

    His response to his documented social media activity has been total denial - "it does not exist". Nelson at Copenhagen could get away with "I see no ships." Boam at North-West Leicestershire will not. Behaving like a schoolboy accused of smoking behind the bike sheds won't hack it.

    He (as Lead for Adult Social Care / Deputy Leader) is saying things like:

    “Depression isn’t real. You feel sad, you continue with life because there’s no alternative. You will always be depressed if your life is depressing. Fix it.”

    and (of the World Cup)

    “Saudi Arabia, Egypt and Iran are all out. The way things are going England will be the only Muslim country left in the World Cup.”

    Farage previously received, and rejected, formal complaints. World class candidate checking in action; that tells us what Farage actually cares about.

    (Boam has a lot of responsibilities, including the Rights of Way Improvement Plan.)
    How's RoWs related to Adult Social Care?
    Are the rest of the Reform cllrs pulling their weight or are they leaving it to two young, inexperienced colleagues to take the fall?
    That's my personal note because it is one of my areas of interest. Stereotypes would say they may gut the RoW team from a great height to promote roads - but they may not.

    And in Leics with the National Forest maturing it is more and more important for developing tourism. Derbyshire are probably more focused on that than Leics or Notts at present.

    But it also the case that things like green space and public footpaths for getting out and about in and out of town make a massive contribution to mental health and daily exercise. It's the kind of factor that needs to be considered in investment returns on travel schemes.
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 35,566

    Andy_JS said:

    "Miliband: Vast majority of new homes must have solar panels
    Energy Secretary says huge increase in rooftop power is ‘just common sense’ and should become ‘almost universal’"

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2025/06/06/ed-miliband-roof-top-solar-panels-developers-new-builds/

    Why not ALL?
    Some new homes are flats?
  • SandraMcSandraMc Posts: 745
    edited June 6
    Foxy, I'd welcome your opinion on what percentage of people in A & E really need to go to A & E? I had a fall on Saturday and gashed my head open. While I was there (25 minute wait initially, not too bad) I noticed that very few people looked ill. Most were reading the paper, laughing and joking and walking around without any pain. I accept that not all disabilities are visible plus they might have accompanied friends who were receiving treatment. But I am genuinely interested in how many people in A & E need A & E could have their problem sorted out by a GP or pharmacist.

    By the way, it happened at 10.30 am and I was completely sober.
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 35,566
    Andy_JS said:

    Andy_JS said:

    "Miliband: Vast majority of new homes must have solar panels
    Energy Secretary says huge increase in rooftop power is ‘just common sense’ and should become ‘almost universal’"

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2025/06/06/ed-miliband-roof-top-solar-panels-developers-new-builds/

    Why not ALL?
    I would prioritise solar panels on large buildings like warehouses, factories, supermarkets, shopping centres, etc, rather than private residences.
    Why prioritise? Why not insist on both?
  • Stark_DawningStark_Dawning Posts: 10,096
    edited June 6
    Leon said:

    Battlebus said:

    MattW said:

    Battlebus said:

    MattW said:

    Good morning everyone.

    FPT
    How hard did SLab campaign and mobilise on this?

    Did they learn the lesson of a loss by a squeak in Runcorn?

    GOTV is still the basis of any campaign. Reform are running on a wave of positive media support (click-bait/cutn'paste press releases). When the positive wave turns negative, we'll see if Reform have the ground game of the legacy parties.

    Note the level of UKIP support in Hamilton (great racecourse by the way)
    New UKIP or Old UKIP (with the switch around ~2016 when Farage left) are somewhat different animals, with the new UKIP being aligned with groups such as Turning Point UK and more ideological. By comparison Farage imo is a marketeer riding whichever horse (or set of 2-3 horses) is to hand.

    Are you remarking on how many votes they received, or how few?

    In Hamilton New UKIP has received 0.1-0.2% of the vote, whilst Old UKIP peaked at around 2.5% in the mid-2010s.

    Compared to eg my area (ie Dennis Skinner / Geoff Hoon country), Old UKIP peaked at 20%+ in 2015 (benefiting from Jason Zadrozny standing down for alleged-scandal reasons, and also the BNP collapsing), and those people imo now form a big chunk of Lee Anderson's base to which he panders. New UKIP do not exist locally in visible politics.
    My view is that Reform or UKIP or whoever is held up by Farage will deflate when he moves on. There are no structures in place other than media support for whatever fad he picks up on. Going by his track record in Brussels, he's no more than a media tart - and a less successful one than Trump.
    Being “less successful than the man twice elected to the most powerful political office on earth” is not exactly the harshest judgment

    Also, it’s a load of bollocks. Farage has twice upended British politics and without him we wouldn’t have Brexited. He’s the most successful UK politician of the century so far
    Nigel brought about Brexit only in the sense that Dave dreamt up his referendum in ill-conceived rouse to claw back a few percentage points from whatever political party (UKIP?) Nigel was running at the time. If anyone is the great man of history behind Brexit it's Boris. Boris's euro-sceptic Telegraph columns in the 1980s set the Tories on an entirely different path and, of course, his oven-ready deal finally sealed it.
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 40,108

    carnforth said:

    Kemi:



    Don't think it will save her. But it does put clear blue water between the conservatives and the government.

    Wishy washy. You don't need a review to decide this. If those are your tests and they are more important than everything else then just say you will leave the ECHR, as Farage has done. There is close to zero market share available that wants a wishy washy exit from the ECHR rather than a bold exit.
    This is the setup to a policy that lays out why we should leave the ECHR. Hopefully it gives a well reasoned and researched paper which shows how remote the Strasbourg court is now from member states and how much sovereignty all countries have handed over to this cabal of judges that are simply accountable to no one. This exercise, like the Cass study, may end up becoming one of the major flashpoints with the ECHR across all of Europe. The Netherlands, France, Italy and Germany have all begun signalling their unhappiness with the current status quo and a serious paper that outlines all of the flaws within these specific points could be a game changer, at least for how a new approach could be taken across Europe and potentially pushing the Strasbourg court down to "advisory" status in some scenarios such as deportation hearings etc...
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 35,387
    Amazing tennis fact: only two men born in the 1990s have won Grand Slam titles so far because of the dominance of players like Federer, Djokovic, Nadal.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 27,631

    Andy_JS said:

    "Miliband: Vast majority of new homes must have solar panels
    Energy Secretary says huge increase in rooftop power is ‘just common sense’ and should become ‘almost universal’"

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2025/06/06/ed-miliband-roof-top-solar-panels-developers-new-builds/

    Why not ALL?
    Some new homes are flats?
    Panels can go on flat roofs well, perhaps at lower angles.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 45,557
    Andy_JS said:

    Amazing tennis fact: only two men born in the 1990s have won Grand Slam titles so far because of the dominance of players like Federer, Djokovic, Nadal.

    And a stat unlikely to change because the new Big Two who are set to dominate the next 5 years were both born in the 00s.
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 35,566
    edited June 6
    MattW said:

    Andy_JS said:

    "Miliband: Vast majority of new homes must have solar panels
    Energy Secretary says huge increase in rooftop power is ‘just common sense’ and should become ‘almost universal’"

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2025/06/06/ed-miliband-roof-top-solar-panels-developers-new-builds/

    Why not ALL?
    Some new homes are flats?
    Panels can go on flat roofs well, perhaps at lower angles.
    Er... a ground floor flat in a multi-storey block doesn't usually have a roof.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 27,631

    MattW said:

    Andy_JS said:

    "Miliband: Vast majority of new homes must have solar panels
    Energy Secretary says huge increase in rooftop power is ‘just common sense’ and should become ‘almost universal’"

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2025/06/06/ed-miliband-roof-top-solar-panels-developers-new-builds/

    Why not ALL?
    Some new homes are flats?
    Panels can go on flat roofs well, perhaps at lower angles.
    Er... a ground floor flat in a multi-storey block doesn't usually have a roof.
    That one is fair enough !!
  • DopermeanDopermean Posts: 1,128
    MattW said:

    Dopermean said:

    MattW said:

    Nigelb said:

    eek said:

    I see reform thinks that a teenager is a suitable person to lead child services at Leicestershire council

    And a 22 year old leads adult social care

    https://new.basw.co.uk/about-social-work/psw-magazine/articles/reform-councillors-aged-19-and-22-charge-childrens-and

    Did all the other councilors take 2 steps back when the positions were offered because this doesn’t make sense

    They sound nice.

    ..Joseph Boam, 22, now heads up adult social care at Leicestershire County Council (LCC), and Charles Pugsley, 19, who is still at university, has been made cabinet member for children and family services.
    The pair were appointed following the local elections in May, and are responsible for multi-million pound budgets.
    Cllr Deborah Taylor, leader of the opposition at LCC and previous cabinet member for children and families, told PSW magazine: “My concern regarding the appointment of Mr Boam and Mr Pugsley is whether they possess the necessary business, organisational, or life experience to manage complex portfolios.
    “Adult social care and children’s services account for approximately 75 per cent of the council’s £616 million budget.”
    Cllr Boam was recently exposed by Hope Not Hate – a group opposing far-right extremism – as appearing to show support for misogynist Andrew Tate in posts from a now-deleted X account. ..
    Joseph Boam is going to come a big cropper before long.

    His response to his documented social media activity has been total denial - "it does not exist". Nelson at Copenhagen could get away with "I see no ships." Boam at North-West Leicestershire will not. Behaving like a schoolboy accused of smoking behind the bike sheds won't hack it.

    He (as Lead for Adult Social Care / Deputy Leader) is saying things like:

    “Depression isn’t real. You feel sad, you continue with life because there’s no alternative. You will always be depressed if your life is depressing. Fix it.”

    and (of the World Cup)

    “Saudi Arabia, Egypt and Iran are all out. The way things are going England will be the only Muslim country left in the World Cup.”

    Farage previously received, and rejected, formal complaints. World class candidate checking in action; that tells us what Farage actually cares about.

    (Boam has a lot of responsibilities, including the Rights of Way Improvement Plan.)
    How's RoWs related to Adult Social Care?
    Are the rest of the Reform cllrs pulling their weight or are they leaving it to two young, inexperienced colleagues to take the fall?
    That's my personal note because it is one of my areas of interest. Stereotypes would say they may gut the RoW team from a great height to promote roads - but they may not.

    And in Leics with the National Forest maturing it is more and more important for developing tourism. Derbyshire are probably more focused on that than Leics or Notts at present.

    But it also the case that things like green space and public footpaths for getting out and about in and out of town make a massive contribution to mental health and daily exercise. It's the kind of factor that needs to be considered in investment returns on travel schemes.
    Noted, my comment was more why has he got RoW as well as Adult Social Care?
    Unrelated areas and Adult Social Care must already be a lot of work.
  • glwglw Posts: 10,416
    Dopermean said:

    R4 today programme needs some new US commentators, Webb (self-proclaimed US expert), Sarah Smith and their US expert (a Trump/Musk fanboy) all very surprised that Trump vs Musk had descended rapidly into a vicious personally abusive spat.

    UK political coverage of the US is generally poor. It's bad enough that the American media routinely sanewashes Trump, but it's even more absurd that we do so. They are also often simply wrong, just this morning one journalist was talking about Musk's brilliance and achievements like founding PayPal and Tesla, neither of which he founded.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 32,161
    MaxPB said:

    carnforth said:

    Kemi:



    Don't think it will save her. But it does put clear blue water between the conservatives and the government.

    Wishy washy. You don't need a review to decide this. If those are your tests and they are more important than everything else then just say you will leave the ECHR, as Farage has done. There is close to zero market share available that wants a wishy washy exit from the ECHR rather than a bold exit.
    This is the setup to a policy that lays out why we should leave the ECHR. Hopefully it gives a well reasoned and researched paper which shows how remote the Strasbourg court is now from member states and how much sovereignty all countries have handed over to this cabal of judges that are simply accountable to no one. This exercise, like the Cass study, may end up becoming one of the major flashpoints with the ECHR across all of Europe. The Netherlands, France, Italy and Germany have all begun signalling their unhappiness with the current status quo and a serious paper that outlines all of the flaws within these specific points could be a game changer, at least for how a new approach could be taken across Europe and potentially pushing the Strasbourg court down to "advisory" status in some scenarios such as deportation hearings etc...
    The ECHR was set up by the likes of Churchill as a check and balance to the sort of behaviour that allowed the rise of Hitler. It is quite remarkable that when we leave under Farage/ Jenrick/Badenoch/ Robinson we join a tiny band of dictators from Russia and Belarus, until the next elected right wing nutter takes control of another European state.
  • noneoftheabovenoneoftheabove Posts: 24,676
    MaxPB said:

    carnforth said:

    Kemi:



    Don't think it will save her. But it does put clear blue water between the conservatives and the government.

    Wishy washy. You don't need a review to decide this. If those are your tests and they are more important than everything else then just say you will leave the ECHR, as Farage has done. There is close to zero market share available that wants a wishy washy exit from the ECHR rather than a bold exit.
    This is the setup to a policy that lays out why we should leave the ECHR. Hopefully it gives a well reasoned and researched paper which shows how remote the Strasbourg court is now from member states and how much sovereignty all countries have handed over to this cabal of judges that are simply accountable to no one. This exercise, like the Cass study, may end up becoming one of the major flashpoints with the ECHR across all of Europe. The Netherlands, France, Italy and Germany have all begun signalling their unhappiness with the current status quo and a serious paper that outlines all of the flaws within these specific points could be a game changer, at least for how a new approach could be taken across Europe and potentially pushing the Strasbourg court down to "advisory" status in some scenarios such as deportation hearings etc...
    A good approach for either Starmer or Badenoch to give a different position from both the status quo and Farage is to say we will spend up to 1 or 2 years to try and get international consensus to reform it, otherwise we will leave the existing ECHR, but set up a new international treaty that addresses the main flaws of the current setup and invite any other countries to join or move from the ECHR as they wish.

    That would attract a different crowd to the Faragists and Jenrick types who want rights either only managed domestically or not at all.

    I still fail to see who is going to think I was going to vote Reform because they will leave the ECHR, but will now vote Tory instead because they might leave the ECHR. Whereas some current Tories will move to LD/abstain over this.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 54,412
    Leon said:

    Eabhal said:

    Leon said:

    Dura_Ace said:

    carnforth said:

    Kemi:



    Don't think it will save her. But it does put clear blue water between the conservatives and the government.

    #2 is morally and intellectually bankrupt. The tories deserve extirpation for that alone.
    lol. You proudly tell us you haven’t paid a fair on the underground for ten years because you constantly dodge the gates because lol “I is anarchy yeah”. Then you come in and take some kind of moral high ground on legal protection of serving British soldiers

    You are fucking ludicrous. Absolutely fucking ludicrous. You’re a fucking ludicrous ageing wanker cosplaying “dangerous sweary person” with “fucking military service yeah” in between sips of weak tea and episodes of Are You Being Served
    U ok bro?
    I’ve had coffee
    Black or white?

    :lol:
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 35,566
    For those who want to play around with what difference the orientation of roof panels would make in their location there is this useful tool.

    https://re.jrc.ec.europa.eu/pvg_tools/en/
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 19,066
    MattW said:

    MattW said:

    Andy_JS said:

    "Miliband: Vast majority of new homes must have solar panels
    Energy Secretary says huge increase in rooftop power is ‘just common sense’ and should become ‘almost universal’"

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2025/06/06/ed-miliband-roof-top-solar-panels-developers-new-builds/

    Why not ALL?
    Some new homes are flats?
    Panels can go on flat roofs well, perhaps at lower angles.
    Er... a ground floor flat in a multi-storey block doesn't usually have a roof.
    That one is fair enough !!
    No - but the block itself can!
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 35,566

    MattW said:

    MattW said:

    Andy_JS said:

    "Miliband: Vast majority of new homes must have solar panels
    Energy Secretary says huge increase in rooftop power is ‘just common sense’ and should become ‘almost universal’"

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2025/06/06/ed-miliband-roof-top-solar-panels-developers-new-builds/

    Why not ALL?
    Some new homes are flats?
    Panels can go on flat roofs well, perhaps at lower angles.
    Er... a ground floor flat in a multi-storey block doesn't usually have a roof.
    That one is fair enough !!
    No - but the block itself can!
    Yes but if Miliband had said "All new homes must have solar panels" people would have picked him up on it. See also: conversions of listed buildings or buildings in a conservation area into homes.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 35,387
    Something I've noticed: a lot of the accepted lyrics of songs on the internet aren't right. They get repeated by everyone without anyone checking them.
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 26,666
    edited June 6
    I see George Osborne has lost his marbles.

    https://x.com/maxtempers/status/1930943843043627296
  • Jim_MillerJim_Miller Posts: 3,324
    Very off topic: But I think of interest to many of you: This article in today's WaPo: https://www.washingtonpost.com/history/2025/06/05/medieval-murder-map-study-violence/

    "The University of Cambridge project reveals sky-high homicide rates in medieval London, York and Oxford and shows that male college students were among the most frequent killers."
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 32,161
    tlg86 said:

    I see George Osborne has lost his marbles.

    https://x.com/maxtempers/status/1930943843043627296

    It's a Greek tragedy!
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 26,666

    tlg86 said:

    I see George Osborne has lost his marbles.

    https://x.com/maxtempers/status/1930943843043627296

    It's a Greek tragedy!
    The bitterness he shows towards Sunak is something to behold.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 65,601

    MaxPB said:

    carnforth said:

    Kemi:



    Don't think it will save her. But it does put clear blue water between the conservatives and the government.

    Wishy washy. You don't need a review to decide this. If those are your tests and they are more important than everything else then just say you will leave the ECHR, as Farage has done. There is close to zero market share available that wants a wishy washy exit from the ECHR rather than a bold exit.
    This is the setup to a policy that lays out why we should leave the ECHR. Hopefully it gives a well reasoned and researched paper which shows how remote the Strasbourg court is now from member states and how much sovereignty all countries have handed over to this cabal of judges that are simply accountable to no one. This exercise, like the Cass study, may end up becoming one of the major flashpoints with the ECHR across all of Europe. The Netherlands, France, Italy and Germany have all begun signalling their unhappiness with the current status quo and a serious paper that outlines all of the flaws within these specific points could be a game changer, at least for how a new approach could be taken across Europe and potentially pushing the Strasbourg court down to "advisory" status in some scenarios such as deportation hearings etc...
    The ECHR was set up by the likes of Churchill as a check and balance to the sort of behaviour that allowed the rise of Hitler. It is quite remarkable that when we leave under Farage/ Jenrick/Badenoch/ Robinson we join a tiny band of dictators from Russia and Belarus, until the next elected right wing nutter takes control of another European state.
    That is just a partisan view and not shared by some members in the EU that change is needed

    Ihttps://verfassungsblog.de/may-2025-letter-and-the-pushback-against-the-european-court-of-human-rights/
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 44,339
    Leon said:

    Well done Labour. I’d rather they won than the Nits


    Not a bad job by Reform

    Not surprised a Little Englander would have that viewpoint
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 44,339
    TimS said:

    There is only one winner in a by-election, so Labour should be congratulated.

    Beyond that, there's a crumb of comfort for various parties - Reform that they scored such a percentage in any Scottish election, the Tories that they kept their deposit and a not inconsiderable vote. The SNP that they didn't get pushed into third (though that's fairly cold comfort).

    The SNP and Reform will probably both fancy their chances against the new incumbent, but perhaps he'll surprise on the upside. It seems for as many people laughing when he was skewered over the WFP, many may have been feeling sorry for him. Gotcha politics doesn't always work.

    The crumb of comfort for the SNP feels like a very tiny one. They (along with the Tories) must be the most disappointed with this result.
    Not sure why , they need a wake up call and are getting it, whether they take heed under Honest John is another matter. It is theirs to lose for sure but they will need to try really hard to do it.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 61,564
    tlg86 said:

    I see George Osborne has lost his marbles.

    https://x.com/maxtempers/status/1930943843043627296

    The endless melancholy withdrawing roar of British defeatism, the charge led by a treacherous cavalry of liberal cretins

    What a spectacle
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 32,161
    edited June 6

    MaxPB said:

    carnforth said:

    Kemi:



    Don't think it will save her. But it does put clear blue water between the conservatives and the government.

    Wishy washy. You don't need a review to decide this. If those are your tests and they are more important than everything else then just say you will leave the ECHR, as Farage has done. There is close to zero market share available that wants a wishy washy exit from the ECHR rather than a bold exit.
    This is the setup to a policy that lays out why we should leave the ECHR. Hopefully it gives a well reasoned and researched paper which shows how remote the Strasbourg court is now from member states and how much sovereignty all countries have handed over to this cabal of judges that are simply accountable to no one. This exercise, like the Cass study, may end up becoming one of the major flashpoints with the ECHR across all of Europe. The Netherlands, France, Italy and Germany have all begun signalling their unhappiness with the current status quo and a serious paper that outlines all of the flaws within these specific points could be a game changer, at least for how a new approach could be taken across Europe and potentially pushing the Strasbourg court down to "advisory" status in some scenarios such as deportation hearings etc...
    The ECHR was set up by the likes of Churchill as a check and balance to the sort of behaviour that allowed the rise of Hitler. It is quite remarkable that when we leave under Farage/ Jenrick/Badenoch/ Robinson we join a tiny band of dictators from Russia and Belarus, until the next elected right wing nutter takes control of another European state.
    That is just a partisan view and not shared by some members in the EU that change is needed

    Ihttps://verfassungsblog.de/may-2025-letter-and-the-pushback-against-the-european-court-of-human-rights/
    Why am I not allowed to be partisan, yet you are?

    I don't disapprove of reform of the ECHR to meet current requirements.

    However Kemi's review seems designed to confirm a fait a complis.

    Other than the ECHR bit Kemi's presser was very well handled. I'd give her at least another year to avoid a vile Jenrick revolution.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 45,557
    edited June 6
    Andy_JS said:

    Something I've noticed: a lot of the accepted lyrics of songs on the internet aren't right. They get repeated by everyone without anyone checking them.

    Wildly wrong or just the occasional small error such as a missing "yeah" or "ooo"?
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 44,339

    What a great result for Scottish Labour. I imagine there’s a fair amount of cheer in Labour quarters.

    Troubling for the SNP. And a Reform breakthrough looms.

    It's not remotely a great result for Labour, who won the seat with their second-smallest share of the vote in the constituency ever.

    Sure, a win is a win but this augurs very badly for Labour at the next GE (which granted is quite a way off), and also pretty badly for the next Holyrood and Scottish council elections, which are not far off.
    Glad someone has really looked at it on here and understands what he is talking about rather than the SUN type feedback so far
  • Stark_DawningStark_Dawning Posts: 10,096
    Leon said:

    tlg86 said:

    I see George Osborne has lost his marbles.

    https://x.com/maxtempers/status/1930943843043627296

    The endless melancholy withdrawing roar of British defeatism, the charge led by a treacherous cavalry of liberal cretins

    What a spectacle
    Lord Byron, of course, being one of the first. (We had a twit on here who used to compare himself to him.)
  • LeonLeon Posts: 61,564

    Leon said:

    tlg86 said:

    I see George Osborne has lost his marbles.

    https://x.com/maxtempers/status/1930943843043627296

    The endless melancholy withdrawing roar of British defeatism, the charge led by a treacherous cavalry of liberal cretins

    What a spectacle
    Lord Byron, of course, being one of the first. (We had a twit on here who used to compare himself to him.)
    Byron was no liberal in the modern sense. He’d have had utter contempt for the likes of Starmer - seeing him for what he is, a vacuous cowardly fool
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 32,161
    malcolmg said:

    Leon said:

    Well done Labour. I’d rather they won than the Nits


    Not a bad job by Reform

    Not surprised a Little Englander would have that viewpoint
    I thought you despised the SNP.
  • DoctorGDoctorG Posts: 78
    Andy_JS said:

    Amazing tennis fact: only two men born in the 1990s have won Grand Slam titles so far because of the dominance of players like Federer, Djokovic, Nadal.

    It'll probably stay that way given the strength of Sinner, alcaraz and emergence of Jack Draper
  • Leon said:

    Dura_Ace said:

    carnforth said:

    Kemi:



    Don't think it will save her. But it does put clear blue water between the conservatives and the government.

    #2 is morally and intellectually bankrupt. The tories deserve extirpation for that alone.
    lol. You proudly tell us you haven’t paid a fair on the underground for ten years because you constantly dodge the gates because lol “I is anarchy yeah”. Then you come in and take some kind of moral high ground on legal protection of serving British soldiers

    You are fucking ludicrous. Absolutely fucking ludicrous. You’re a fucking ludicrous ageing wanker cosplaying “dangerous sweary person” with “fucking military service yeah” in between sips of weak tea and episodes of Are You Being Served
    This is my favourite bit: "You’re a fucking ludicrous ageing wanker cosplaying “dangerous sweary person”".
  • MattWMattW Posts: 27,631
    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    tlg86 said:

    I see George Osborne has lost his marbles.

    https://x.com/maxtempers/status/1930943843043627296

    The endless melancholy withdrawing roar of British defeatism, the charge led by a treacherous cavalry of liberal cretins

    What a spectacle
    Lord Byron, of course, being one of the first. (We had a twit on here who used to compare himself to him.)
    Byron was no liberal in the modern sense. He’d have had utter contempt for the likes of Starmer - seeing him for what he is, a vacuous cowardly fool
    That's a little Byronic.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 38,704
    Happy Halloween

    Dutch snap election set for Oct. 29

    🎃
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 38,704
    @WardDPatrick

    President Trump is planning to either give away or sell the TESLA he purchased that is currently sitting on west executive drive at the White House, per
    @pdoocy
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 54,412
    malcolmg said:

    Leon said:

    Well done Labour. I’d rather they won than the Nits


    Not a bad job by Reform

    Not surprised a Little Englander would have that viewpoint
    Tweed Mubarak, Malcolm :lol:
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 55,554

    MaxPB said:

    carnforth said:

    Kemi:



    Don't think it will save her. But it does put clear blue water between the conservatives and the government.

    Wishy washy. You don't need a review to decide this. If those are your tests and they are more important than everything else then just say you will leave the ECHR, as Farage has done. There is close to zero market share available that wants a wishy washy exit from the ECHR rather than a bold exit.
    This is the setup to a policy that lays out why we should leave the ECHR. Hopefully it gives a well reasoned and researched paper which shows how remote the Strasbourg court is now from member states and how much sovereignty all countries have handed over to this cabal of judges that are simply accountable to no one. This exercise, like the Cass study, may end up becoming one of the major flashpoints with the ECHR across all of Europe. The Netherlands, France, Italy and Germany have all begun signalling their unhappiness with the current status quo and a serious paper that outlines all of the flaws within these specific points could be a game changer, at least for how a new approach could be taken across Europe and potentially pushing the Strasbourg court down to "advisory" status in some scenarios such as deportation hearings etc...
    The ECHR was set up by the likes of Churchill as a check and balance to the sort of behaviour that allowed the rise of Hitler. It is quite remarkable that when we leave under Farage/ Jenrick/Badenoch/ Robinson we join a tiny band of dictators from Russia and Belarus, until the next elected right wing nutter takes control of another European state.
    Was Weimar Germany Hitler-lite? I thought the conditions that allowed the rise of Hitler were somewhat different.
  • eekeek Posts: 30,224
    Scott_xP said:

    Happy Halloween

    Dutch snap election set for Oct. 29

    🎃

    Just under 5 months isn’t exactly a snap election
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 54,412
    Scott_xP said:

    Happy Halloween

    Dutch snap election set for Oct. 29

    🎃

    Long time to wait for a "snap" election!
  • LeonLeon Posts: 61,564

    Leon said:

    Dura_Ace said:

    carnforth said:

    Kemi:



    Don't think it will save her. But it does put clear blue water between the conservatives and the government.

    #2 is morally and intellectually bankrupt. The tories deserve extirpation for that alone.
    lol. You proudly tell us you haven’t paid a fair on the underground for ten years because you constantly dodge the gates because lol “I is anarchy yeah”. Then you come in and take some kind of moral high ground on legal protection of serving British soldiers

    You are fucking ludicrous. Absolutely fucking ludicrous. You’re a fucking ludicrous ageing wanker cosplaying “dangerous sweary person” with “fucking military service yeah” in between sips of weak tea and episodes of Are You Being Served
    This is my favourite bit: "You’re a fucking ludicrous ageing wanker cosplaying “dangerous sweary person”".
    Thanks. Finally someone notices my meta narrative, at the same time as showing they didn’t understand it
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 55,554
    Scott_xP said:

    @WardDPatrick

    President Trump is planning to either give away or sell the TESLA he purchased that is currently sitting on west executive drive at the White House, per
    @pdoocy

    He could donate it as a gift to Xi in return for a BYD.
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 19,066
    DoctorG said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Amazing tennis fact: only two men born in the 1990s have won Grand Slam titles so far because of the dominance of players like Federer, Djokovic, Nadal.

    It'll probably stay that way given the strength of Sinner, alcaraz and emergence of Jack Draper
    I'm not convinced. Winning slams is tough and players get injured, or have a bad game. The era of Nadal, Federer, Jokovic was truly exceptional in that there were three all time greats (as shown by how many slams each won despite the presence of the other two. And notably that each Federer (grass) and Nadal (clay) were kings on those surfaces too. Sinner is a very good player and deservedly the best in the world. I am unconvinced that he is as good as the big three were.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 61,564
    Ryanair, you utter mofos
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 35,387

    Scott_xP said:

    Happy Halloween

    Dutch snap election set for Oct. 29

    🎃

    Long time to wait for a "snap" election!
    Looks like they didn't really bother to try to form an alternative coalition government, which is unusual in the Netherlands.
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 26,666
    A fun game, but my memory is appalling (121/282):

    https://www.sporcle.com/games/chemist_jack/cabinet-minister-2010-present
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 35,387
    edited June 6
    kinabalu said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Something I've noticed: a lot of the accepted lyrics of songs on the internet aren't right. They get repeated by everyone without anyone checking them.

    Wildly wrong or just the occasional small error such as a missing "yeah" or "ooo"?
    Usually not completely wrong but more than just a word or two. An exception seems to be the lyrics for Pearly Dewdrops' Drops by the Cocteau Twins which are totally wrong in some popular versions online.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 61,564
    Andy_JS said:

    kinabalu said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Something I've noticed: a lot of the accepted lyrics of songs on the internet aren't right. They get repeated by everyone without anyone checking them.

    Wildly wrong or just the occasional small error such as a missing "yeah" or "ooo"?
    Usually not completely wrong but more than just a word or two. An exception seems to be the lyrics for Pearly Dewdrops' Drops by the Cocteau Twins which are totally wrong in some popular versions online.
    God I love the Cocteau Twins. Probably the best music ever written by people on heroin

    But aren’t the lyrics MEANT to be unintelligible?
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 32,161
    BBC R4 WATO

    13.00 to 13.17 News plus Trump and Musk
    13.17 to 13.28 1to 2 minutes on Hamilton 9 minutes on Reform.
    Circa 13.40 to 13.45 is to be a discussion with the BBC Political Editor about Reform's prospects going forward

    What did Hitler say about propaganda?
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 54,412

    Scott_xP said:

    @WardDPatrick

    President Trump is planning to either give away or sell the TESLA he purchased that is currently sitting on west executive drive at the White House, per
    @pdoocy

    He could donate it as a gift to Xi in return for a BYD.
    To avoid a BYDDing war?
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 38,704
    Apparently Musk wants to kiss and make up, but Donny boy is ghosting him...
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 77,986
    Leon said:

    Eabhal said:

    Leon said:

    Dura_Ace said:

    carnforth said:

    Kemi:



    Don't think it will save her. But it does put clear blue water between the conservatives and the government.

    #2 is morally and intellectually bankrupt. The tories deserve extirpation for that alone.
    lol. You proudly tell us you haven’t paid a fair on the underground for ten years because you constantly dodge the gates because lol “I is anarchy yeah”. Then you come in and take some kind of moral high ground on legal protection of serving British soldiers

    You are fucking ludicrous. Absolutely fucking ludicrous. You’re a fucking ludicrous ageing wanker cosplaying “dangerous sweary person” with “fucking military service yeah” in between sips of weak tea and episodes of Are You Being Served
    U ok bro?
    I’ve had coffee
    Might want to consider a nice cup of Lapsang yourself.
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