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  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 65,601
    Cookie said:

    Leon said:

    Andy_JS said:

    "DW Politics
    @dw_politics

    JUST IN: A German court rules government's move to turn away asylum seekers at border is unlawful- in a blow to Chancellor Merz."

    https://x.com/dw_politics/status/1929550116957860323

    The system of international law/human rights either needs to be changed or it will be overturned entirely.
    The legal/activist class across Europe are like the monks and priests of the Catholic Church in northern and Western Europe circa 1500. Parasitic, doctrinaire, vain, myopic and greedy. And you can feel the resentment building and building. A Reformation is coming to sweep them away and it might be violent
    That's a great analogy.

    But it goes wider. Full on Pride shite at work today with some events stretching into August. A queer quiz. A gay tapestry. Marches all over the place. A fans for trans social.

    Who wants this shit?
    I am totally ungay, but your workplace sounds like fun.

    Did you realise the company was this "right on" when you joined?
    All companies are like this now. All of them.

    The only acceptable response is to cheer and amplify it. To do anything else risks you being labelled as a homophobe, and we all know what that means.

    So, this absurd foghorning goes on - despite most people not really caring and being somewhat fed up with it all.
    It sounds good to me.

    I am old enough to remember the days when a line manager would call one a f*****' g*y, or a g*y b****** when one missed KPI targets.
    It doesn't have to be one or the other though, does it? Could we not try just quiet acceptance? Surely a world is possible where we neither laud nor vilify the gays? At least, not for three months a year?
    We have gay relatives and friends and are delighted for them to be in a happy relationship

    We should just live and let live
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 65,601

    Embarrassing shit show in the cricket. West Indies trapped in traffic for hours.

    And England cycle to the match

    I kid you not
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 11,041

    Embarrassing shit show in the cricket. West Indies trapped in traffic for hours.

    More a London problem than a cricket one
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 45,557
    MattW said:

    Taz said:

    Robert Jenrick has been on a bizarre political journey. It’s made him incredibly dangerous
    https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2025/jun/03/robert-jenrick-has-been-on-a-bizarre-political-journey-its-made-him-incredibly-dangerous

    Owen Jones opines on Rob J.

    Has he moved on from Gaza ?
    I read that straight through. There are interesting points in there, especially around Jenrick's recent political movements sideways.

    Suella Bravermann denouncing Bobby at Natcon 2024 for being a treacherous Tory-lefty was not one I expected. Handbags at dawn in the leadership contest?

    I was quite surprised when it said "Owen Jones" at the bottom, not having read the author at the top.
    He does do some perceptive analysis sometimes.
  • BartholomewRobertsBartholomewRoberts Posts: 24,275

    Leon said:

    Andy_JS said:

    "DW Politics
    @dw_politics

    JUST IN: A German court rules government's move to turn away asylum seekers at border is unlawful- in a blow to Chancellor Merz."

    https://x.com/dw_politics/status/1929550116957860323

    The system of international law/human rights either needs to be changed or it will be overturned entirely.
    The legal/activist class across Europe are like the monks and priests of the Catholic Church in northern and Western Europe circa 1500. Parasitic, doctrinaire, vain, myopic and greedy. And you can feel the resentment building and building. A Reformation is coming to sweep them away and it might be violent
    That's a great analogy.

    But it goes wider. Full on Pride shite at work today with some events stretching into August. A queer quiz. A gay tapestry. Marches all over the place. A fans for trans social.

    Who wants this shit?
    I am totally ungay, but your workplace sounds like fun.

    Did you realise the company was this "right on" when you joined?
    All companies are like this now. All of them.

    The only acceptable response is to cheer and amplify it. To do anything else risks you being labelled as a homophobe, and we all know what that means.

    So, this absurd foghorning goes on - despite most people not really caring and being somewhat fed up with it all.
    There are multiple acceptable options.

    You can join in the fun if you want to. Or delete it and live your life letting other people have their fun without you if you want to.

    What's weird is trying to stop other people from having fun. Just live and let live.
  • FishingFishing Posts: 5,602
    edited June 3

    Leon said:

    Andy_JS said:

    "DW Politics
    @dw_politics

    JUST IN: A German court rules government's move to turn away asylum seekers at border is unlawful- in a blow to Chancellor Merz."

    https://x.com/dw_politics/status/1929550116957860323

    The system of international law/human rights either needs to be changed or it will be overturned entirely.
    The legal/activist class across Europe are like the monks and priests of the Catholic Church in northern and Western Europe circa 1500. Parasitic, doctrinaire, vain, myopic and greedy. And you can feel the resentment building and building. A Reformation is coming to sweep them away and it might be violent
    That's a great analogy.

    But it goes wider. Full on Pride shite at work today with some events stretching into August. A queer quiz. A gay tapestry. Marches all over the place. A fans for trans social.

    Who wants this shit?
    I am totally ungay, but your workplace sounds like fun.

    Did you realise the company was this "right on" when you joined?
    All companies are like this now. All of them.

    The only acceptable response is to cheer and amplify it. To do anything else risks you being labelled as a homophobe, and we all know what that means.

    So, this absurd foghorning goes on - despite most people not really caring and being somewhat fed up with it all.
    That’s not my experience at double digit organisations across both engineering and law. You can delete DEI emails. You can refuse to put pronouns in email signatures. You don’t have to attend pride events. Nobody cares. It’s all in your head.

    I do all of those things and nobody thinks I am a homophobe because, well, I’m not.
    But if you make a remark that somebody for some reason took the wrong way, you'd be in a much less secure position than if you did all that other BS, especially if you got a bunch of HR people or lawyers or other parasites chasing you.

    And some people are so extraordinarily and unpredictably sensitive these days that that's a serious possibility, even if a fairly remote one.
  • EabhalEabhal Posts: 10,883
    edited June 3

    Embarrassing shit show in the cricket. West Indies trapped in traffic for hours.

    And England cycle to the match

    I kid you not
    Why's that a surprise? Cycling is by far the quickest way to get around London nowadays. Makes up about 60% of the traffic in the City.
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 31,573
    ...

    Leon said:

    kinabalu said:

    Sean_F said:

    kinabalu said:

    Leon said:

    kinabalu said:

    Leon said:

    isam said:

    Leon said:

    isam said:

    tlg86 said:

    isam said:

    Well done Robert Jenrick on calling out Starmer’s man Hermer in his latest video. There is a big market in voters who don’t like soppy human rights lawyers who take the side of people that want to kill us, and we’ve got two in charge

    Everyone should get legal representation, whatever their alleged crimes, regardless of whether they are proved innocent or guilty.
    Jenrick's assertion in the video is that cab rank rules did not apply to the cases in question and that he sought them out. Legal minds on here can tell us if this is the case.
    Yes, that is the key point. Jenrick explicitly states that Hermer chose to defend multiple people involved in terrorism against us. If that’s untrue and it was the cab rank rule, Jenrick has told outright lies and should be criticised, if Hermer made a choice to defend them pro bono, then he’s not who I would want as AG, and it shines a light on Sir Keir’s philosophy
    The Spectator and Telegraph have both run long pieces examining how the AG and other lawyers do this

    And fair play to them - if they specialise in human rights law and these are the cases where they think they can help: they take them on. There’s absolutely nothing illegal about it and it’s all above board

    However it is quite a CV, which is what Jenrick is focusing on
    Yes, no one is saying he should be sacked because these things were illegal, that’s a straw man. Jenrick is just showing people Hermer’s values, and by extension those of Sir Keir
    Yes exactly. Hermer has done nothing wrong or illegal. Indeed there’s a decent case for applauding him - helping the underdogs in each case (against HMG/Britain, generally)

    But he’s no longer a private citizen with job in the law, he’s been appointed to a very senior political role and now his track record is - also quite fairly - being assessed for its political optics. And it looks bad
    Or good. It all depends your instinctive reaction to the term "Human Rights".

    Do you feel a warm glow? Or do you recoil at the notion of there being such a thing (especially when it comes to people you don't like)?
    Hermer is a deeply questionable character and I despise his views, I also believe he and his ilk are a menace to Britain. If Jenrick destroys his career I shall quietly cheer

    Apart from that I’m sure he’s a lovely guy. I might never have cared about him if he’d remained a private citizen But by taking a very senior political role he has to accept contempt from people that loathe his politics (like me). I also pay his wages with my taxes. So fuck him
    Repressive autocratic politicians rely for their success on promoting such sentiments. So long as you realise this.
    No one in the USA would hesitate to criticise Pam Bondi, on the basis of her record, so why be reluctant to criticise her counterpart in this country on similar grounds?
    I'm talking about this general contempt for "human rights" and "lawyers" and "international law" etc. There's no way I'd want any politician in power in this country who thinks like that. The irritations and inefficiencies caused by too much reverence for the law is nothing compared to the dangers of the opposite.
    Luckily, twats like you with your views are on the way out

    Say hi to the Vibeshift as you make your way to the Exit
    I think it’s more that you’ve just turned into a grumpy old man
    Er, you were advocating solutions to the migrant crisis that would make Leon blush the other day. If that isn't evidence of a vibeshift I don't know what is.
  • Jim_MillerJim_Miller Posts: 3,325
    It is unfortunate that PB doesn't have anyone who can ask the people of Luxembourg why their nation has fallen so far behind, so long, in its NATO obligations. (I think 5 percent of their GDP for the next 20 years, at least, would be appropriate.)
  • BartholomewRobertsBartholomewRoberts Posts: 24,275

    Leon said:

    kinabalu said:

    Sean_F said:

    kinabalu said:

    Leon said:

    kinabalu said:

    Leon said:

    isam said:

    Leon said:

    isam said:

    tlg86 said:

    isam said:

    Well done Robert Jenrick on calling out Starmer’s man Hermer in his latest video. There is a big market in voters who don’t like soppy human rights lawyers who take the side of people that want to kill us, and we’ve got two in charge

    Everyone should get legal representation, whatever their alleged crimes, regardless of whether they are proved innocent or guilty.
    Jenrick's assertion in the video is that cab rank rules did not apply to the cases in question and that he sought them out. Legal minds on here can tell us if this is the case.
    Yes, that is the key point. Jenrick explicitly states that Hermer chose to defend multiple people involved in terrorism against us. If that’s untrue and it was the cab rank rule, Jenrick has told outright lies and should be criticised, if Hermer made a choice to defend them pro bono, then he’s not who I would want as AG, and it shines a light on Sir Keir’s philosophy
    The Spectator and Telegraph have both run long pieces examining how the AG and other lawyers do this

    And fair play to them - if they specialise in human rights law and these are the cases where they think they can help: they take them on. There’s absolutely nothing illegal about it and it’s all above board

    However it is quite a CV, which is what Jenrick is focusing on
    Yes, no one is saying he should be sacked because these things were illegal, that’s a straw man. Jenrick is just showing people Hermer’s values, and by extension those of Sir Keir
    Yes exactly. Hermer has done nothing wrong or illegal. Indeed there’s a decent case for applauding him - helping the underdogs in each case (against HMG/Britain, generally)

    But he’s no longer a private citizen with job in the law, he’s been appointed to a very senior political role and now his track record is - also quite fairly - being assessed for its political optics. And it looks bad
    Or good. It all depends your instinctive reaction to the term "Human Rights".

    Do you feel a warm glow? Or do you recoil at the notion of there being such a thing (especially when it comes to people you don't like)?
    Hermer is a deeply questionable character and I despise his views, I also believe he and his ilk are a menace to Britain. If Jenrick destroys his career I shall quietly cheer

    Apart from that I’m sure he’s a lovely guy. I might never have cared about him if he’d remained a private citizen But by taking a very senior political role he has to accept contempt from people that loathe his politics (like me). I also pay his wages with my taxes. So fuck him
    Repressive autocratic politicians rely for their success on promoting such sentiments. So long as you realise this.
    No one in the USA would hesitate to criticise Pam Bondi, on the basis of her record, so why be reluctant to criticise her counterpart in this country on similar grounds?
    I'm talking about this general contempt for "human rights" and "lawyers" and "international law" etc. There's no way I'd want any politician in power in this country who thinks like that. The irritations and inefficiencies caused by too much reverence for the law is nothing compared to the dangers of the opposite.
    Luckily, twats like you with your views are on the way out

    Say hi to the Vibeshift as you make your way to the Exit
    I think it’s more that you’ve just turned into a grumpy old man
    Turned?

    Don't get him started on the music kids listen to these days!
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 22,996

    Andy_JS said:

    "M&S faces 'unprecedented' customer lawsuit over cyberattack data breach"

    https://www.itv.com/news/2025-06-03/m-and-s-faces-unprecedented-customer-lawsuit-over-cyberattack-data-breach

    I was in a Co-Op yesterday, the shelves were still empty.
    Not my experience in a branch yesterday. Must be a patchy problem.
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 11,041
    WIndies pish all for 2 off 6
    Get proper opposition over here, not these traffic jam bunnies
  • MattWMattW Posts: 27,631
    edited June 3

    MattW said:

    MattW said:

    Assuming this is Trump driven ...

    The advice of John Bolton (Trump's National Security Adviser from 2018 to 2019, who was dumped when he insisted on not being a patsy) on that, after Trump was re-elected, was 'Tell him what he wants to hear on Defence budgets, with progress in the meantime, and make it long term enough that he will no longer the there."

    I think Sky is writing about a hypothetical situation which may very well not ever exist.

    Don't mention that the USA spent 3.4% in 2024, and that includes things like the Pacific Fleet that have precisely zero to do with NATO.

    If Sir K has to respond, I think he will reaffirm 3% by 2034, and point out that a SDSR is always very broad brush, and perhaps talk about the other 1.5% for "defence-related infrastructure", which could well cover things like investment in railways.
    NATO are expected to mandate 3.5% at their meeting at the end of this month

    Also Starmer cannot afford anything without allocating the money and be seen to do so

    Ambition is not an option
    "Mandating" requires unanimity in NATO.

    TBH I don't see it. I think it will be short of that, with a layer of fudge - but still ambitious. It will be more imo like strong encouragement.
    You do not know that and maybe a wee bit of wishcasting

    Anyway it will be known after the NATO meeting between 24th and 26th of this month

    Indeed I assume Starmer will be present and have to sign the agreement
    Indeed. Let's bookmark it and see !

    We're probably pretty much on the same page in practice.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 77,986
    Leon said:

    Andy_JS said:

    "DW Politics
    @dw_politics

    JUST IN: A German court rules government's move to turn away asylum seekers at border is unlawful- in a blow to Chancellor Merz."

    https://x.com/dw_politics/status/1929550116957860323

    The system of international law/human rights either needs to be changed or it will be overturned entirely.
    If we stopped funding proxy wars and spent more on development, there would be less for asylum seekers to run away from.
    This is narcissism disguised as altruism and I doubt you even really believe it. According to that logic we should stop funding Ukraine to fight against Russia.
    If we stop the forces driving asylum seekers, there would not be so many of them.
    If we stopped the forces driving Nazism - ie Jews - there wouldn’t be so many Nazis
    Jews were the force driving Nazism ?

    You know who else might think that ?
  • LeonLeon Posts: 61,567
    carnforth said:

    Leon said:

    carnforth said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    kinabalu said:

    Sean_F said:

    kinabalu said:

    Leon said:

    kinabalu said:

    Leon said:

    isam said:

    Leon said:

    isam said:

    tlg86 said:

    isam said:

    Well done Robert Jenrick on calling out Starmer’s man Hermer in his latest video. There is a big market in voters who don’t like soppy human rights lawyers who take the side of people that want to kill us, and we’ve got two in charge

    Everyone should get legal representation, whatever their alleged crimes, regardless of whether they are proved innocent or guilty.
    Jenrick's assertion in the video is that cab rank rules did not apply to the cases in question and that he sought them out. Legal minds on here can tell us if this is the case.
    Yes, that is the key point. Jenrick explicitly states that Hermer chose to defend multiple people involved in terrorism against us. If that’s untrue and it was the cab rank rule, Jenrick has told outright lies and should be criticised, if Hermer made a choice to defend them pro bono, then he’s not who I would want as AG, and it shines a light on Sir Keir’s philosophy
    The Spectator and Telegraph have both run long pieces examining how the AG and other lawyers do this

    And fair play to them - if they specialise in human rights law and these are the cases where they think they can help: they take them on. There’s absolutely nothing illegal about it and it’s all above board

    However it is quite a CV, which is what Jenrick is focusing on
    Yes, no one is saying he should be sacked because these things were illegal, that’s a straw man. Jenrick is just showing people Hermer’s values, and by extension those of Sir Keir
    Yes exactly. Hermer has done nothing wrong or illegal. Indeed there’s a decent case for applauding him - helping the underdogs in each case (against HMG/Britain, generally)

    But he’s no longer a private citizen with job in the law, he’s been appointed to a very senior political role and now his track record is - also quite fairly - being assessed for its political optics. And it looks bad
    Or good. It all depends your instinctive reaction to the term "Human Rights".

    Do you feel a warm glow? Or do you recoil at the notion of there being such a thing (especially when it comes to people you don't like)?
    Hermer is a deeply questionable character and I despise his views, I also believe he and his ilk are a menace to Britain. If Jenrick destroys his career I shall quietly cheer

    Apart from that I’m sure he’s a lovely guy. I might never have cared about him if he’d remained a private citizen But by taking a very senior political role he has to accept contempt from people that loathe his politics (like me). I also pay his wages with my taxes. So fuck him
    Repressive autocratic politicians rely for their success on promoting such sentiments. So long as you realise this.
    No one in the USA would hesitate to criticise Pam Bondi, on the basis of her record, so why be reluctant to criticise her counterpart in this country on similar grounds?
    I'm talking about this general contempt for "human rights" and "lawyers" and "international law" etc. There's no way I'd want any politician in power in this country who thinks like that. The irritations and inefficiencies caused by too much reverence for the law is nothing compared to the dangers of the opposite.
    Luckily, twats like you with your views are on the way out

    Say hi to the Vibeshift as you make your way to the Exit
    I think it’s more that you’ve just turned into a grumpy old man
    I’ve just had my second glass of phenomenal Luxembourgeois Riesling, in the Moselle sun. I couldn’t be further from grumpy

    Here’s the wine

    Check out this wine. I scanned it with the @Vivino app: https://www.vivino.com/wines/176655908
    Looks from the comments like it's one of those excellent Rieslings which reek of oil refinery.
    Absolutely not. It’s delish on the nose as well
    Really quite a wine

    Probably the best Riesling I’ve ever had
    Give it some time:

    https://www.winespectator.com/articles/what-causes-petrol-note-in-aged-riesling-57107
    Most white wine doesn’t benefit from ageing. Some - including complex rieslings - can do so; but seriously I’d be amazed if this one gets much better. Tis perfect right here right now
  • GallowgateGallowgate Posts: 20,482
    edited June 3

    ...

    Leon said:

    kinabalu said:

    Sean_F said:

    kinabalu said:

    Leon said:

    kinabalu said:

    Leon said:

    isam said:

    Leon said:

    isam said:

    tlg86 said:

    isam said:

    Well done Robert Jenrick on calling out Starmer’s man Hermer in his latest video. There is a big market in voters who don’t like soppy human rights lawyers who take the side of people that want to kill us, and we’ve got two in charge

    Everyone should get legal representation, whatever their alleged crimes, regardless of whether they are proved innocent or guilty.
    Jenrick's assertion in the video is that cab rank rules did not apply to the cases in question and that he sought them out. Legal minds on here can tell us if this is the case.
    Yes, that is the key point. Jenrick explicitly states that Hermer chose to defend multiple people involved in terrorism against us. If that’s untrue and it was the cab rank rule, Jenrick has told outright lies and should be criticised, if Hermer made a choice to defend them pro bono, then he’s not who I would want as AG, and it shines a light on Sir Keir’s philosophy
    The Spectator and Telegraph have both run long pieces examining how the AG and other lawyers do this

    And fair play to them - if they specialise in human rights law and these are the cases where they think they can help: they take them on. There’s absolutely nothing illegal about it and it’s all above board

    However it is quite a CV, which is what Jenrick is focusing on
    Yes, no one is saying he should be sacked because these things were illegal, that’s a straw man. Jenrick is just showing people Hermer’s values, and by extension those of Sir Keir
    Yes exactly. Hermer has done nothing wrong or illegal. Indeed there’s a decent case for applauding him - helping the underdogs in each case (against HMG/Britain, generally)

    But he’s no longer a private citizen with job in the law, he’s been appointed to a very senior political role and now his track record is - also quite fairly - being assessed for its political optics. And it looks bad
    Or good. It all depends your instinctive reaction to the term "Human Rights".

    Do you feel a warm glow? Or do you recoil at the notion of there being such a thing (especially when it comes to people you don't like)?
    Hermer is a deeply questionable character and I despise his views, I also believe he and his ilk are a menace to Britain. If Jenrick destroys his career I shall quietly cheer

    Apart from that I’m sure he’s a lovely guy. I might never have cared about him if he’d remained a private citizen But by taking a very senior political role he has to accept contempt from people that loathe his politics (like me). I also pay his wages with my taxes. So fuck him
    Repressive autocratic politicians rely for their success on promoting such sentiments. So long as you realise this.
    No one in the USA would hesitate to criticise Pam Bondi, on the basis of her record, so why be reluctant to criticise her counterpart in this country on similar grounds?
    I'm talking about this general contempt for "human rights" and "lawyers" and "international law" etc. There's no way I'd want any politician in power in this country who thinks like that. The irritations and inefficiencies caused by too much reverence for the law is nothing compared to the dangers of the opposite.
    Luckily, twats like you with your views are on the way out

    Say hi to the Vibeshift as you make your way to the Exit
    I think it’s more that you’ve just turned into a grumpy old man
    Er, you were advocating solutions to the migrant crisis that would make Leon blush the other day. If that isn't evidence of a vibeshift I don't know what is.
    Not really. I just want us to remove a distraction so as a country we can focus on the important stuff like rejoining the EU.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 61,567
    Nigelb said:

    Leon said:

    Andy_JS said:

    "DW Politics
    @dw_politics

    JUST IN: A German court rules government's move to turn away asylum seekers at border is unlawful- in a blow to Chancellor Merz."

    https://x.com/dw_politics/status/1929550116957860323

    The system of international law/human rights either needs to be changed or it will be overturned entirely.
    If we stopped funding proxy wars and spent more on development, there would be less for asylum seekers to run away from.
    This is narcissism disguised as altruism and I doubt you even really believe it. According to that logic we should stop funding Ukraine to fight against Russia.
    If we stop the forces driving asylum seekers, there would not be so many of them.
    If we stopped the forces driving Nazism - ie Jews - there wouldn’t be so many Nazis
    Jews were the force driving Nazism ?

    You know who else might think that ?
    I was mocking the banal and childish logic behind the prior comment
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 77,986
    edited June 3
    Leon said:

    Nigelb said:

    Leon said:

    Andy_JS said:

    "DW Politics
    @dw_politics

    JUST IN: A German court rules government's move to turn away asylum seekers at border is unlawful- in a blow to Chancellor Merz."

    https://x.com/dw_politics/status/1929550116957860323

    The system of international law/human rights either needs to be changed or it will be overturned entirely.
    If we stopped funding proxy wars and spent more on development, there would be less for asylum seekers to run away from.
    This is narcissism disguised as altruism and I doubt you even really believe it. According to that logic we should stop funding Ukraine to fight against Russia.
    If we stop the forces driving asylum seekers, there would not be so many of them.
    If we stopped the forces driving Nazism - ie Jews - there wouldn’t be so many Nazis
    Jews were the force driving Nazism ?

    You know who else might think that ?
    I was mocking the banal and childish logic behind the prior comment
    Trying to.

    The effort of interacting with us dullards has blunted your wits.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 65,601
    Sky's Deborah Haynes reports Starmer will agree to NATO's 3.5% demand at the NATO summit

    So Starmer has to answer the question where is the money?

    I understand Miliband's heat pump scheme and warm front schemes are to be abandoned by Reeves confirming Reform and Conservatives attitude to net zero

    It seems keeping us safe from war has to be the priority on the allocation of funds
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 84,346
    edited June 3

    Andy_JS said:

    "M&S faces 'unprecedented' customer lawsuit over cyberattack data breach"

    https://www.itv.com/news/2025-06-03/m-and-s-faces-unprecedented-customer-lawsuit-over-cyberattack-data-breach

    I was in a Co-Op yesterday, the shelves were still empty.
    Not my experience in a branch yesterday. Must be a patchy problem.
    Remember the Co-Op supermarket chain isn't one organisation, there are multiple companies under the brand of Co-Op.

    In the one I was in, the staff were rather sheepishly stacking what little new delivery stock they had on the shelves, trying to spread it out to fill the massive gaps.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 27,631
    edited June 3
    Eabhal said:

    Embarrassing shit show in the cricket. West Indies trapped in traffic for hours.

    And England cycle to the match

    I kid you not
    Why's that a surprise? Cycling is by far the quickest way to get around London nowadays. Makes up about 60% of the traffic in the City.
    There was actually an applicable Spectator piece on that recently.

    One of their many refugees from the 19C who is still stuck in the 1920s or the 1950s or the 1970s - very Trump - was complaining about travel time from the Oval to the Spectator Office taking 20 minutes or 30 minutes, when it is 13 minutes on a cycle on pretty much separated mobility tracks.

    They all really dream of being Michael Caine in Zulu, Alfie, Get Carter or the Italian Job.

    There are so many of them that I forget the names - it wasn't Julie Burchill, as she's normally outraged about Brighton, not London.

    Can we have a Dr Who episode about using the Tardis to bring the Speccie and the Telegraph into 2025?
  • TimSTimS Posts: 15,539

    Sky's Deborah Haynes reports Starmer will agree to NATO's 3.5% demand at the NATO summit

    So Starmer has to answer the question where is the money?

    I understand Miliband's heat pump scheme and warm front schemes are to be abandoned by Reeves confirming Reform and Conservatives attitude to net zero

    It seems keeping us safe from war has to be the priority on the allocation of funds

    Reaganomics in 2020s Britain it seems.
  • BartholomewRobertsBartholomewRoberts Posts: 24,275
    TimS said:

    £-28 per mwh electricity price currently. Another day where our lack of storage, grid connections, electrified heavy industrial base and interconnector capacity means we’re leaving money on the table.

    For now, but its rapidly changing.

    The amount of storage is exponentially growing at the moment and will be magnitudes more in a few years time.

    Electrified heavy industry will follow if cheap electricity becomes the norm in the future, as it should.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 35,387
    TimS said:

    £-28 per mwh electricity price currently. Another day where our lack of storage, grid connections, electrified heavy industrial base and interconnector capacity means we’re leaving money on the table.

    I don't understand why we haven't built more hydro-electric reservoirs over the last 30 years which could be used to store energy.
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 11,041

    Sky's Deborah Haynes reports Starmer will agree to NATO's 3.5% demand at the NATO summit

    So Starmer has to answer the question where is the money?

    I understand Miliband's heat pump scheme and warm front schemes are to be abandoned by Reeves confirming Reform and Conservatives attitude to net zero

    It seems keeping us safe from war has to be the priority on the allocation of funds

    Keeping us safe from war as long as that war is a long way off in time.
    As Lord Dannatt said yesterday 'like asking Hitler in 1938 not to do anything until 1946 because we are not ready'
  • EabhalEabhal Posts: 10,883
    edited June 3
    MattW said:

    Eabhal said:

    Embarrassing shit show in the cricket. West Indies trapped in traffic for hours.

    And England cycle to the match

    I kid you not
    Why's that a surprise? Cycling is by far the quickest way to get around London nowadays. Makes up about 60% of the traffic in the City.
    There was actually an applicable Spectator piece on that recently.

    One of their many refugees from the 19C who is still stuck in the 1920s or the 1950s or the 1970s - very Trump - was complaining about travel time from the Oval to the Spectator Office taking 20 minutes or 30 minutes, when it is 13 minutes on a cycle on pretty much separated mobility tracks.

    They all really dream of being Michael Caine in Zulu, Alfie, Get Carter or the Italian Job.

    There are so many of them that I forget the names - it wasn't Julie Burchill, as she's normally outraged about Brighton, not London.

    Can we have a Dr Who episode about using the Tardis to bring the Speccie and the Telegraph into 2025?
    Forget a bike, it's a 40 minute walk along the Thames in one of the best cities in the world. I'd choose that over 30 minutes on the tube.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 61,567
    Nigelb said:

    Leon said:

    Nigelb said:

    Leon said:

    Andy_JS said:

    "DW Politics
    @dw_politics

    JUST IN: A German court rules government's move to turn away asylum seekers at border is unlawful- in a blow to Chancellor Merz."

    https://x.com/dw_politics/status/1929550116957860323

    The system of international law/human rights either needs to be changed or it will be overturned entirely.
    If we stopped funding proxy wars and spent more on development, there would be less for asylum seekers to run away from.
    This is narcissism disguised as altruism and I doubt you even really believe it. According to that logic we should stop funding Ukraine to fight against Russia.
    If we stop the forces driving asylum seekers, there would not be so many of them.
    If we stopped the forces driving Nazism - ie Jews - there wouldn’t be so many Nazis
    Jews were the force driving Nazism ?

    You know who else might think that ?
    I was mocking the banal and childish logic behind the prior comment
    Trying to.

    The effort of interacting with us dullards has blunted your wits.
    More likely the Luxembourgeois cremant
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 54,899
    Andy_JS said:

    TimS said:

    £-28 per mwh electricity price currently. Another day where our lack of storage, grid connections, electrified heavy industrial base and interconnector capacity means we’re leaving money on the table.

    I don't understand why we haven't built more hydro-electric reservoirs over the last 30 years which could be used to store energy.
    Read up on the howling that occurring if someone thinks about thinking about maybe suggesting a hydro-electric scheme in the U.K.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 77,986
    Regarding the WWII tetra ethyl lead debate, this is interesting.

    Confidential interview transcript with the famous British Fuels Chemist F.R. Banks.
    https://x.com/CalumDouglas1/status/1929679646247080019

    Banks was director general of engine production, research and development during WWII, so presumably had quite an insight into the matter.
  • isamisam Posts: 41,960

    I am enjoying the Tories dismissing Home Office statements linking boat crossings to weather. They were happy to link them when in government, but now dismiss them whilst in opposition.

    The UK has had a remarkable year to date of good weather. Shock and indeed horror that small boats which need good weather are coming across in force. Politics has nothing to do with it.

    "The buck stops here".
    “I’m a male rabbit and I’m not moving”
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 84,346

    Andy_JS said:

    TimS said:

    £-28 per mwh electricity price currently. Another day where our lack of storage, grid connections, electrified heavy industrial base and interconnector capacity means we’re leaving money on the table.

    I don't understand why we haven't built more hydro-electric reservoirs over the last 30 years which could be used to store energy.
    Read up on the howling that occurring if someone thinks about thinking about maybe suggesting a hydro-electric scheme building anything in the U.K.
    Fixed for you...
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 35,387
    edited June 3

    Embarrassing shit show in the cricket. West Indies trapped in traffic for hours.

    Bit of a metaphor for the decline of Windies cricket over the last 40 years. The 1980s team wouldn't have been late no matter how bad the traffic was.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 65,601

    Sky's Deborah Haynes reports Starmer will agree to NATO's 3.5% demand at the NATO summit

    So Starmer has to answer the question where is the money?

    I understand Miliband's heat pump scheme and warm front schemes are to be abandoned by Reeves confirming Reform and Conservatives attitude to net zero

    It seems keeping us safe from war has to be the priority on the allocation of funds

    Keeping us safe from war as long as that war is a long way off in time.
    As Lord Dannatt said yesterday 'like asking Hitler in 1938 not to do anything until 1946 because we are not ready'
    Hasn't Ben Wallace said Putin will be dead before Starmer's defence recommendations come into force ?
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 35,387

    Andy_JS said:

    TimS said:

    £-28 per mwh electricity price currently. Another day where our lack of storage, grid connections, electrified heavy industrial base and interconnector capacity means we’re leaving money on the table.

    I don't understand why we haven't built more hydro-electric reservoirs over the last 30 years which could be used to store energy.
    Read up on the howling that occurring if someone thinks about thinking about maybe suggesting a hydro-electric scheme in the U.K.
    You'd think there would be plenty of remote areas in Scotland they could use.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 32,161
    >>>
    Nigelb said:

    Leon said:

    Nigelb said:

    Leon said:

    Andy_JS said:

    "DW Politics
    @dw_politics

    JUST IN: A German court rules government's move to turn away asylum seekers at border is unlawful- in a blow to Chancellor Merz."

    https://x.com/dw_politics/status/1929550116957860323

    The system of international law/human rights either needs to be changed or it will be overturned entirely.
    If we stopped funding proxy wars and spent more on development, there would be less for asylum seekers to run away from.
    This is narcissism disguised as altruism and I doubt you even really believe it. According to that logic we should stop funding Ukraine to fight against Russia.
    If we stop the forces driving asylum seekers, there would not be so many of them.
    If we stopped the forces driving Nazism - ie Jews - there wouldn’t be so many Nazis
    Jews were the force driving Nazism ?

    You know who else might think that ?
    I was mocking the banal and childish logic behind the prior comment
    Trying to.

    The effort of interacting with us dullards has blunted your wits.
    It's more a case that in Leonworld, Leon is a hilarious raconteur. I am not sure that translates perfectly to the real world.
  • GallowgateGallowgate Posts: 20,482

    Sky's Deborah Haynes reports Starmer will agree to NATO's 3.5% demand at the NATO summit

    So Starmer has to answer the question where is the money?

    I understand Miliband's heat pump scheme and warm front schemes are to be abandoned by Reeves confirming Reform and Conservatives attitude to net zero

    It seems keeping us safe from war has to be the priority on the allocation of funds

    Keeping us safe from war as long as that war is a long way off in time.
    As Lord Dannatt said yesterday 'like asking Hitler in 1938 not to do anything until 1946 because we are not ready'
    Hasn't Ben Wallace said Putin will be dead before Starmer's defence recommendations come into force ?
    That could be tomorrow for all we know
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 65,601

    Sky's Deborah Haynes reports Starmer will agree to NATO's 3.5% demand at the NATO summit

    So Starmer has to answer the question where is the money?

    I understand Miliband's heat pump scheme and warm front schemes are to be abandoned by Reeves confirming Reform and Conservatives attitude to net zero

    It seems keeping us safe from war has to be the priority on the allocation of funds

    Keeping us safe from war as long as that war is a long way off in time.
    As Lord Dannatt said yesterday 'like asking Hitler in 1938 not to do anything until 1946 because we are not ready'
    Hasn't Ben Wallace said Putin will be dead before Starmer's defence recommendations come into force ?
    That could be tomorrow for all we know
    Maybe
  • isamisam Posts: 41,960
    edited June 3
    Gang. Smashed

    1/4 of the sentence that Lucy Connolly got

    Two men have been jailed for piloting a boat across the Channel to the UK from France, in an incident which saw two people die in France.

    Afghan nationals Shah Salim Sajjadi, 38, and Safiollah Mohammadi, 25, were arrested after the vessel arrived into UK waters on Wednesday 21 May. It was carrying more than 70 people.

    Shortly after its departure from a beach near Calais earlier in the day a woman and child had been pulled off the over-crowded boat by a French coastal patrol vessel, but declared dead

    They were sentenced to eight months in prison.


    https://www.nationalcrimeagency.gov.uk/news/pair-jailed-following-fatal-channel-small-boat-crossing
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 11,041

    Sky's Deborah Haynes reports Starmer will agree to NATO's 3.5% demand at the NATO summit

    So Starmer has to answer the question where is the money?

    I understand Miliband's heat pump scheme and warm front schemes are to be abandoned by Reeves confirming Reform and Conservatives attitude to net zero

    It seems keeping us safe from war has to be the priority on the allocation of funds

    Keeping us safe from war as long as that war is a long way off in time.
    As Lord Dannatt said yesterday 'like asking Hitler in 1938 not to do anything until 1946 because we are not ready'
    Hasn't Ben Wallace said Putin will be dead before Starmer's defence recommendations come into force ?
    He did say that, yes
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 54,412
    isam said:

    Gang. Smashed

    1/4 of the sentence that Lucy Connolly got

    Two men have been jailed for piloting a boat across the Channel to the UK from France, in an incident which saw two people die in France.

    Afghan nationals Shah Salim Sajjadi, 38, and Safiollah Mohammadi, 25, were arrested after the vessel arrived into UK waters on Wednesday 21 May. It was carrying more than 70 people.

    Shortly after its departure from a beach near Calais earlier in the day a woman and child had been pulled off the over-crowded boat by a French coastal patrol vessel, but declared dead

    They were sentenced to eight months in prison.


    https://www.nationalcrimeagency.gov.uk/news/pair-jailed-following-fatal-channel-small-boat-crossing

    Two-tier Keir!
  • EabhalEabhal Posts: 10,883
    Andy_JS said:

    TimS said:

    £-28 per mwh electricity price currently. Another day where our lack of storage, grid connections, electrified heavy industrial base and interconnector capacity means we’re leaving money on the table.

    I don't understand why we haven't built more hydro-electric reservoirs over the last 30 years which could be used to store energy.
    I don't think people can grasp just how much hydro and batteries we'd need to store this excess electricity. We currently have 3GWh of pumped hydro - we'd fill that in less than 6 minutes with our current generation (or an hour just using the excess).

    Much cheaper to match demand with supply by putting people on variable tariffs and/or export more of it to Europe.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 77,986
    Andy_JS said:

    TimS said:

    £-28 per mwh electricity price currently. Another day where our lack of storage, grid connections, electrified heavy industrial base and interconnector capacity means we’re leaving money on the table.

    I don't understand why we haven't built more hydro-electric reservoirs over the last 30 years which could be used to store energy.
    Because they're nosebleedingly expensive in relation to the power generated, in most cases.

    If you dammed a very large Scottish valley, then it might be cost effective, but the (by a very long way) most attractive location for a mega project has been repeatedly vetoed (for understandable reasons).
  • eekeek Posts: 30,225
    edited June 3
    isam said:

    Gang. Smashed

    1/4 of the sentence that Lucy Connolly got

    Two men have been jailed for piloting a boat across the Channel to the UK from France, in an incident which saw two people die in France.

    Afghan nationals Shah Salim Sajjadi, 38, and Safiollah Mohammadi, 25, were arrested after the vessel arrived into UK waters on Wednesday 21 May. It was carrying more than 70 people.

    Shortly after its departure from a beach near Calais earlier in the day a woman and child had been pulled off the over-crowded boat by a French coastal patrol vessel, but declared dead

    They were sentenced to eight months in prison.


    https://www.nationalcrimeagency.gov.uk/news/pair-jailed-following-fatal-channel-small-boat-crossing

    That feels like a sentence designed to give France time to decide if they want them for manslaughter and allow us to chuck them out if they don’t.

    Better that then sentencing them to years before we throw them out
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 84,346
    edited June 3
    isam said:

    Gang. Smashed

    1/4 of the sentence that Lucy Connolly got

    Two men have been jailed for piloting a boat across the Channel to the UK from France, in an incident which saw two people die in France.

    Afghan nationals Shah Salim Sajjadi, 38, and Safiollah Mohammadi, 25, were arrested after the vessel arrived into UK waters on Wednesday 21 May. It was carrying more than 70 people.

    Shortly after its departure from a beach near Calais earlier in the day a woman and child had been pulled off the over-crowded boat by a French coastal patrol vessel, but declared dead

    They were sentenced to eight months in prison.


    https://www.nationalcrimeagency.gov.uk/news/pair-jailed-following-fatal-channel-small-boat-crossing

    That will learn 'em, that max 3 months in prison. If I remember correctly, that sentence is far too short to automatically attempt deportation back to Afghanistan, not that after 27 appeals the government would succeed anyway.
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 43,808

    Leon said:

    Andy_JS said:

    "DW Politics
    @dw_politics

    JUST IN: A German court rules government's move to turn away asylum seekers at border is unlawful- in a blow to Chancellor Merz."

    https://x.com/dw_politics/status/1929550116957860323

    The system of international law/human rights either needs to be changed or it will be overturned entirely.
    The legal/activist class across Europe are like the monks and priests of the Catholic Church in northern and Western Europe circa 1500. Parasitic, doctrinaire, vain, myopic and greedy. And you can feel the resentment building and building. A Reformation is coming to sweep them away and it might be violent
    That's a great analogy.

    But it goes wider. Full on Pride shite at work today with some events stretching into August. A queer quiz. A gay tapestry. Marches all over the place. A fans for trans social.

    Who wants this shit?
    I am totally ungay, but your workplace sounds like fun.

    Did you realise the company was this "right on" when you joined?
    All companies are like this now. All of them.

    The only acceptable response is to cheer and amplify it. To do anything else risks you being labelled as a homophobe, and we all know what that means.

    So, this absurd foghorning goes on - despite most people not really caring and being somewhat fed up with it all.
    Wait till they inveigle you into the tromboning.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 65,601
    isam said:

    Gang. Smashed

    1/4 of the sentence that Lucy Connolly got

    Two men have been jailed for piloting a boat across the Channel to the UK from France, in an incident which saw two people die in France.

    Afghan nationals Shah Salim Sajjadi, 38, and Safiollah Mohammadi, 25, were arrested after the vessel arrived into UK waters on Wednesday 21 May. It was carrying more than 70 people.

    Shortly after its departure from a beach near Calais earlier in the day a woman and child had been pulled off the over-crowded boat by a French coastal patrol vessel, but declared dead

    They were sentenced to eight months in prison.


    https://www.nationalcrimeagency.gov.uk/news/pair-jailed-following-fatal-channel-small-boat-crossing

    And people wonder why Reform are surging in the polls

  • EabhalEabhal Posts: 10,883
    edited June 3
    Andy_JS said:

    Andy_JS said:

    TimS said:

    £-28 per mwh electricity price currently. Another day where our lack of storage, grid connections, electrified heavy industrial base and interconnector capacity means we’re leaving money on the table.

    I don't understand why we haven't built more hydro-electric reservoirs over the last 30 years which could be used to store energy.
    Read up on the howling that occurring if someone thinks about thinking about maybe suggesting a hydro-electric scheme in the U.K.
    You'd think there would be plenty of remote areas in Scotland they could use.
    The upper Findhorn has been suggested. 300m/2km dam and 6,800 GWh.

    (It doesn't hold up to engineering scrutiny but it's a fun idea).
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 32,161
    The defence strategy does demonstrate how poor this Government are at comms.

    They have almost doubled Conservative defence commitments and the Conservatives are successfully claiming it's a sell out to Putin.

    It's a funny old game Saint.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 77,986

    isam said:

    Gang. Smashed

    1/4 of the sentence that Lucy Connolly got

    Two men have been jailed for piloting a boat across the Channel to the UK from France, in an incident which saw two people die in France.

    Afghan nationals Shah Salim Sajjadi, 38, and Safiollah Mohammadi, 25, were arrested after the vessel arrived into UK waters on Wednesday 21 May. It was carrying more than 70 people.

    Shortly after its departure from a beach near Calais earlier in the day a woman and child had been pulled off the over-crowded boat by a French coastal patrol vessel, but declared dead

    They were sentenced to eight months in prison.


    https://www.nationalcrimeagency.gov.uk/news/pair-jailed-following-fatal-channel-small-boat-crossing

    That will learn 'em, that max 3 months in prison. If I remember correctly, that sentence is far too short to automatically attempt deportation back to Afghanistan, not that after 27 appeals the government would succeed anyway.
    Read the link.
    ..Police in France are now investigating the circumstances of the fatalities under the direction of the Dunkirk prosecutor’s office.

    The pilots of the boat were detained and questioned by investigators from the National Crime Agency after their arrival into Dover.

    They were later charged with facilitating illegal immigration to the UK..
  • carnforthcarnforth Posts: 6,222
    isam said:

    Gang. Smashed

    1/4 of the sentence that Lucy Connolly got

    Two men have been jailed for piloting a boat across the Channel to the UK from France, in an incident which saw two people die in France.

    Afghan nationals Shah Salim Sajjadi, 38, and Safiollah Mohammadi, 25, were arrested after the vessel arrived into UK waters on Wednesday 21 May. It was carrying more than 70 people.

    Shortly after its departure from a beach near Calais earlier in the day a woman and child had been pulled off the over-crowded boat by a French coastal patrol vessel, but declared dead

    They were sentenced to eight months in prison.


    https://www.nationalcrimeagency.gov.uk/news/pair-jailed-following-fatal-channel-small-boat-crossing

    Not even long enough for them to be auto-deported on release. So we may have to keep them.
  • BartholomewRobertsBartholomewRoberts Posts: 24,275
    Eabhal said:

    Andy_JS said:

    TimS said:

    £-28 per mwh electricity price currently. Another day where our lack of storage, grid connections, electrified heavy industrial base and interconnector capacity means we’re leaving money on the table.

    I don't understand why we haven't built more hydro-electric reservoirs over the last 30 years which could be used to store energy.
    I don't think people can grasp just how much hydro and batteries we'd need to store this excess electricity. We currently have 3GWh of pumped hydro - we'd fill that in less than 6 minutes with our current generation (or an hour just using the excess).

    Much cheaper to match demand with supply by putting people on variable tariffs and/or export more of it to Europe.
    There are 33 million cars in the UK.
    A typical EV battery is 60-70 kWh. Lets use 65 kWh as an approximation for an average.

    33 million x 65 kWh = 2,145 GWh or 2.15 TWh

    We don't need pumped hydro to use the power, we just need to complete the transition and we can have effectively free energy for our vehicles when the sun shines and the wind blows.
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 11,041
    isam said:

    Gang. Smashed

    1/4 of the sentence that Lucy Connolly got

    Two men have been jailed for piloting a boat across the Channel to the UK from France, in an incident which saw two people die in France.

    Afghan nationals Shah Salim Sajjadi, 38, and Safiollah Mohammadi, 25, were arrested after the vessel arrived into UK waters on Wednesday 21 May. It was carrying more than 70 people.

    Shortly after its departure from a beach near Calais earlier in the day a woman and child had been pulled off the over-crowded boat by a French coastal patrol vessel, but declared dead

    They were sentenced to eight months in prison.


    https://www.nationalcrimeagency.gov.uk/news/pair-jailed-following-fatal-channel-small-boat-crossing

    There is a very very obvious question to be answered here
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 65,601
    Nigelb said:

    Andy_JS said:

    TimS said:

    £-28 per mwh electricity price currently. Another day where our lack of storage, grid connections, electrified heavy industrial base and interconnector capacity means we’re leaving money on the table.

    I don't understand why we haven't built more hydro-electric reservoirs over the last 30 years which could be used to store energy.
    Because they're nosebleedingly expensive in relation to the power generated, in most cases.

    If you dammed a very large Scottish valley, then it might be cost effective, but the (by a very long way) most attractive location for a mega project has been repeatedly vetoed (for understandable reasons).
    This is an amazing project

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dinorwig_Power_Station
  • EabhalEabhal Posts: 10,883
    Eabhal said:

    Andy_JS said:

    TimS said:

    £-28 per mwh electricity price currently. Another day where our lack of storage, grid connections, electrified heavy industrial base and interconnector capacity means we’re leaving money on the table.

    I don't understand why we haven't built more hydro-electric reservoirs over the last 30 years which could be used to store energy.
    I don't think people can grasp just how much hydro and batteries we'd need to store this excess electricity. We currently have 3GWh of pumped hydro - we'd fill that in less than 6 minutes with our current generation (or an hour just using the excess).

    Much cheaper to match demand with supply by putting people on variable tariffs and/or export more of it to Europe.
    Correction - maybe 16GWh. That gives us about 30 minutes worth of power.
  • BattlebusBattlebus Posts: 897
    isam said:

    Gang. Smashed

    1/4 of the sentence that Lucy Connolly got

    Two men have been jailed for piloting a boat across the Channel to the UK from France, in an incident which saw two people die in France.

    Afghan nationals Shah Salim Sajjadi, 38, and Safiollah Mohammadi, 25, were arrested after the vessel arrived into UK waters on Wednesday 21 May. It was carrying more than 70 people.

    Shortly after its departure from a beach near Calais earlier in the day a woman and child had been pulled off the over-crowded boat by a French coastal patrol vessel, but declared dead

    They were sentenced to eight months in prison.


    https://www.nationalcrimeagency.gov.uk/news/pair-jailed-following-fatal-channel-small-boat-crossing

    If you want to do anything about it?

    https://apply-for-public-appointment.service.gov.uk/roles/8432
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 43,808

    Sky's Deborah Haynes reports Starmer will agree to NATO's 3.5% demand at the NATO summit

    So Starmer has to answer the question where is the money?

    I understand Miliband's heat pump scheme and warm front schemes are to be abandoned by Reeves confirming Reform and Conservatives attitude to net zero

    It seems keeping us safe from war has to be the priority on the allocation of funds

    Keeping us safe from war as long as that war is a long way off in time.
    As Lord Dannatt said yesterday 'like asking Hitler in 1938 not to do anything until 1946 because we are not ready'
    Hasn't Ben Wallace said Putin will be dead before Starmer's defence recommendations come into force ?
    He did say that, yes
    Hope Fat Ben is a better predictor of Putin’s demise than the PB diagnosticians.
  • PhilPhil Posts: 2,678
    Jenkrick is out-communicating the entire Tory front bench right now: https://x.com/RobertJenrick/status/1929815747275927606

    The response of the commentariat to the fare-dodging video was woeful. Can’t wait to see just how ham-fisted they are about this one - there was an awful fascination about watching the London insider crowd so woefully mishandle the previous Jenrick video, regardless of whether you agree with his politics.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 84,346
    edited June 3
    Nigelb said:

    isam said:

    Gang. Smashed

    1/4 of the sentence that Lucy Connolly got

    Two men have been jailed for piloting a boat across the Channel to the UK from France, in an incident which saw two people die in France.

    Afghan nationals Shah Salim Sajjadi, 38, and Safiollah Mohammadi, 25, were arrested after the vessel arrived into UK waters on Wednesday 21 May. It was carrying more than 70 people.

    Shortly after its departure from a beach near Calais earlier in the day a woman and child had been pulled off the over-crowded boat by a French coastal patrol vessel, but declared dead

    They were sentenced to eight months in prison.


    https://www.nationalcrimeagency.gov.uk/news/pair-jailed-following-fatal-channel-small-boat-crossing

    That will learn 'em, that max 3 months in prison. If I remember correctly, that sentence is far too short to automatically attempt deportation back to Afghanistan, not that after 27 appeals the government would succeed anyway.
    Read the link.
    ..Police in France are now investigating the circumstances of the fatalities under the direction of the Dunkirk prosecutor’s office.

    The pilots of the boat were detained and questioned by investigators from the National Crime Agency after their arrival into Dover.

    They were later charged with facilitating illegal immigration to the UK..
    But for the charge of facilitating illegal immigration you get 3 months in pokey. That is a joke. As long as nobody dies on the journey, nothing to worry about.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 32,161
    isam said:

    Gang. Smashed

    1/4 of the sentence that Lucy Connolly got

    Two men have been jailed for piloting a boat across the Channel to the UK from France, in an incident which saw two people die in France.

    Afghan nationals Shah Salim Sajjadi, 38, and Safiollah Mohammadi, 25, were arrested after the vessel arrived into UK waters on Wednesday 21 May. It was carrying more than 70 people.

    Shortly after its departure from a beach near Calais earlier in the day a woman and child had been pulled off the over-crowded boat by a French coastal patrol vessel, but declared dead

    They were sentenced to eight months in prison.


    https://www.nationalcrimeagency.gov.uk/news/pair-jailed-following-fatal-channel-small-boat-crossing

    According to PB that poor lady who incited arson against a hotel full of people.

    Quadruple the smugglers's sentences by all means but stop moaning on about Connolly. She got what she deserved.
  • EabhalEabhal Posts: 10,883

    Eabhal said:

    Andy_JS said:

    TimS said:

    £-28 per mwh electricity price currently. Another day where our lack of storage, grid connections, electrified heavy industrial base and interconnector capacity means we’re leaving money on the table.

    I don't understand why we haven't built more hydro-electric reservoirs over the last 30 years which could be used to store energy.
    I don't think people can grasp just how much hydro and batteries we'd need to store this excess electricity. We currently have 3GWh of pumped hydro - we'd fill that in less than 6 minutes with our current generation (or an hour just using the excess).

    Much cheaper to match demand with supply by putting people on variable tariffs and/or export more of it to Europe.
    There are 33 million cars in the UK.
    A typical EV battery is 60-70 kWh. Lets use 65 kWh as an approximation for an average.

    33 million x 65 kWh = 2,145 GWh or 2.15 TWh

    We don't need pumped hydro to use the power, we just need to complete the transition and we can have effectively free energy for our vehicles when the sun shines and the wind blows.
    Yes, and that's where the variable tariffs come in. Every car in the UK should be charging itself right now.
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 11,041

    Sky's Deborah Haynes reports Starmer will agree to NATO's 3.5% demand at the NATO summit

    So Starmer has to answer the question where is the money?

    I understand Miliband's heat pump scheme and warm front schemes are to be abandoned by Reeves confirming Reform and Conservatives attitude to net zero

    It seems keeping us safe from war has to be the priority on the allocation of funds

    Keeping us safe from war as long as that war is a long way off in time.
    As Lord Dannatt said yesterday 'like asking Hitler in 1938 not to do anything until 1946 because we are not ready'
    Hasn't Ben Wallace said Putin will be dead before Starmer's defence recommendations come into force ?
    He did say that, yes
    Hope Fat Ben is a better predictor of Putin’s demise than the PB diagnosticians.
    Ben is still seething about the NATO gig
  • Stark_DawningStark_Dawning Posts: 10,097
    eek said:

    isam said:

    Gang. Smashed

    1/4 of the sentence that Lucy Connolly got

    Two men have been jailed for piloting a boat across the Channel to the UK from France, in an incident which saw two people die in France.

    Afghan nationals Shah Salim Sajjadi, 38, and Safiollah Mohammadi, 25, were arrested after the vessel arrived into UK waters on Wednesday 21 May. It was carrying more than 70 people.

    Shortly after its departure from a beach near Calais earlier in the day a woman and child had been pulled off the over-crowded boat by a French coastal patrol vessel, but declared dead

    They were sentenced to eight months in prison.


    https://www.nationalcrimeagency.gov.uk/news/pair-jailed-following-fatal-channel-small-boat-crossing

    That feels like a sentence designed to give France time to decide if they want them for manslaughter and allow us to chuck them out if they don’t.

    Better that then sentencing them to years before we throw them out
    Yes, sounds like the manslaughter element is still pending.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 45,557

    Sky's Deborah Haynes reports Starmer will agree to NATO's 3.5% demand at the NATO summit

    So Starmer has to answer the question where is the money?

    I understand Miliband's heat pump scheme and warm front schemes are to be abandoned by Reeves confirming Reform and Conservatives attitude to net zero

    It seems keeping us safe from war has to be the priority on the allocation of funds

    Keeping us safe from war as long as that war is a long way off in time.
    As Lord Dannatt said yesterday 'like asking Hitler in 1938 not to do anything until 1946 because we are not ready'
    I'm not overly impressed with him saying that, catchy though it is and despite him being a Lord and ex army. If you try and spend vast sums of money in a compressed timeframe you end up wasting most of it. It looks quite rushed as it is. The military have a vested interest in ramping up the imminent threat of war so as to get as much £££ out of the government as quickly as possible. I'm not saying we don't need to spend more (we probably do) but it shouldn't be done with a panicky "Russians in Dover next year!" mindset.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 54,899

    Sky's Deborah Haynes reports Starmer will agree to NATO's 3.5% demand at the NATO summit

    So Starmer has to answer the question where is the money?

    I understand Miliband's heat pump scheme and warm front schemes are to be abandoned by Reeves confirming Reform and Conservatives attitude to net zero

    It seems keeping us safe from war has to be the priority on the allocation of funds

    Keeping us safe from war as long as that war is a long way off in time.
    As Lord Dannatt said yesterday 'like asking Hitler in 1938 not to do anything until 1946 because we are not ready'
    As it happened, the German plan was to go to war in 1942. This was evident from their naval build up.

    So the U.K. planned on increasing industrial facilities to build arms, with the pivot into actual production for 1941. So as not to pile up obsolete weapons.

    The UK plan was for things like 5000 Standard Bombers - bigger than B17, flying at 300mph, protected by 20mm cannon. The fighters would all be 400mph, cannon armed. The army would have had tanks armed with 17lbr, which would have been the anti-tank gun as well. The Navy would have been lots of new battleships *and* lots of carriers.

    Hitler, running out of money, gambled harder and harder and started the war in 1939…
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 55,014

    Sky's Deborah Haynes reports Starmer will agree to NATO's 3.5% demand at the NATO summit

    So Starmer has to answer the question where is the money?

    I understand Miliband's heat pump scheme and warm front schemes are to be abandoned by Reeves confirming Reform and Conservatives attitude to net zero

    It seems keeping us safe from war has to be the priority on the allocation of funds

    Keeping us safe from war as long as that war is a long way off in time.
    As Lord Dannatt said yesterday 'like asking Hitler in 1938 not to do anything until 1946 because we are not ready'
    Hasn't Ben Wallace said Putin will be dead before Starmer's defence recommendations come into force ?
    That could be tomorrow for all we know
    Russian revolutions have a habit of going from nought to a hundred in three days...
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 84,346
    edited June 3
    Phil said:

    Jenkrick is out-communicating the entire Tory front bench right now: https://x.com/RobertJenrick/status/1929815747275927606

    The response of the commentariat to the fare-dodging video was woeful. Can’t wait to see just how ham-fisted they are about this one - there was an awful fascination about watching the London insider crowd so woefully mishandle the previous Jenrick video, regardless of whether you agree with his politics.

    Be interesting to know where where these vaguely media savvy people have come from, because the Tories full stop have been woeful for absolutely years.
  • BattlebusBattlebus Posts: 897
    edited June 3
    Andy_JS said:

    Andy_JS said:

    TimS said:

    £-28 per mwh electricity price currently. Another day where our lack of storage, grid connections, electrified heavy industrial base and interconnector capacity means we’re leaving money on the table.

    I don't understand why we haven't built more hydro-electric reservoirs over the last 30 years which could be used to store energy.
    Read up on the howling that occurring if someone thinks about thinking about maybe suggesting a hydro-electric scheme in the U.K.
    You'd think there would be plenty of remote areas in Scotland they could use.
    My alternative to that suggestion. Follow the Chinese approach and flood the valley closer to the need.


  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 84,346
    edited June 3
    Can we even send the convicted people smugglers back to France to face trial, I mean its such a horrid place for immigrants they are all having to flee to claim asylum here.
  • isamisam Posts: 41,960
    Nigelb said:

    isam said:

    Gang. Smashed

    1/4 of the sentence that Lucy Connolly got

    Two men have been jailed for piloting a boat across the Channel to the UK from France, in an incident which saw two people die in France.

    Afghan nationals Shah Salim Sajjadi, 38, and Safiollah Mohammadi, 25, were arrested after the vessel arrived into UK waters on Wednesday 21 May. It was carrying more than 70 people.

    Shortly after its departure from a beach near Calais earlier in the day a woman and child had been pulled off the over-crowded boat by a French coastal patrol vessel, but declared dead

    They were sentenced to eight months in prison.


    https://www.nationalcrimeagency.gov.uk/news/pair-jailed-following-fatal-channel-small-boat-crossing

    That will learn 'em, that max 3 months in prison. If I remember correctly, that sentence is far too short to automatically attempt deportation back to Afghanistan, not that after 27 appeals the government would succeed anyway.
    Read the link.
    ..Police in France are now investigating the circumstances of the fatalities under the direction of the Dunkirk prosecutor’s office.

    The pilots of the boat were detained and questioned by investigators from the National Crime Agency after their arrival into Dover.

    They were later charged with facilitating illegal immigration to the UK..
    But for people smuggling they got eight months
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 63,506

    Leon said:

    Andy_JS said:

    "DW Politics
    @dw_politics

    JUST IN: A German court rules government's move to turn away asylum seekers at border is unlawful- in a blow to Chancellor Merz."

    https://x.com/dw_politics/status/1929550116957860323

    The system of international law/human rights either needs to be changed or it will be overturned entirely.
    The legal/activist class across Europe are like the monks and priests of the Catholic Church in northern and Western Europe circa 1500. Parasitic, doctrinaire, vain, myopic and greedy. And you can feel the resentment building and building. A Reformation is coming to sweep them away and it might be violent
    That's a great analogy.

    But it goes wider. Full on Pride shite at work today with some events stretching into August. A queer quiz. A gay tapestry. Marches all over the place. A fans for trans social.

    Who wants this shit?
    I am totally ungay, but your workplace sounds like fun.

    Did you realise the company was this "right on" when you joined?
    All companies are like this now. All of them.

    The only acceptable response is to cheer and amplify it. To do anything else risks you being labelled as a homophobe, and we all know what that means.

    So, this absurd foghorning goes on - despite most people not really caring and being somewhat fed up with it all.
    That’s not my experience at double digit organisations across both engineering and law. You can delete DEI emails. You can refuse to put pronouns in email signatures. You don’t have to attend pride events. Nobody cares. It’s all in your head.

    I do all of those things and nobody thinks I am a homophobe because, well, I’m not.
    No, it's not all in my head - this is simple denialism by you.

    It's on every call I go to, and I have to listen to it all.

    You said upthread you loved this stuff, and now you say you don't do any of it.

    Which one is it?
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 127,936
    isam said:

    The worry fir those of us who want Labour out next time is Jenrick and Farage splitting the vote in a way it doesn’t seem like Kemi will, and allowing Sir Keir to win again whilst probably losing more votes.

    Hopefully they’ll do a deal if Jenrick becomes Tory leader

    On current polls Labour would certainly lose their majority regardless and there is little polling evidence Jenrick gains many more Reform voters than Kemi does.

  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 11,041

    eek said:

    isam said:

    Gang. Smashed

    1/4 of the sentence that Lucy Connolly got

    Two men have been jailed for piloting a boat across the Channel to the UK from France, in an incident which saw two people die in France.

    Afghan nationals Shah Salim Sajjadi, 38, and Safiollah Mohammadi, 25, were arrested after the vessel arrived into UK waters on Wednesday 21 May. It was carrying more than 70 people.

    Shortly after its departure from a beach near Calais earlier in the day a woman and child had been pulled off the over-crowded boat by a French coastal patrol vessel, but declared dead

    They were sentenced to eight months in prison.


    https://www.nationalcrimeagency.gov.uk/news/pair-jailed-following-fatal-channel-small-boat-crossing

    That feels like a sentence designed to give France time to decide if they want them for manslaughter and allow us to chuck them out if they don’t.

    Better that then sentencing them to years before we throw them out
    Yes, sounds like the manslaughter element is still pending.
    And leaves the totally useless government open to the question 'why arent you arresting the other ten gazillion boat pilots for facilitating illegal immigration into the uk?'
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 54,899
    Nigelb said:

    Andy_JS said:

    TimS said:

    £-28 per mwh electricity price currently. Another day where our lack of storage, grid connections, electrified heavy industrial base and interconnector capacity means we’re leaving money on the table.

    I don't understand why we haven't built more hydro-electric reservoirs over the last 30 years which could be used to store energy.
    Because they're nosebleedingly expensive in relation to the power generated, in most cases.

    If you dammed a very large Scottish valley, then it might be cost effective, but the (by a very long way) most attractive location for a mega project has been repeatedly vetoed (for understandable reasons).
    In the case of battery storage, it would be about the same cost to replicate Dinorwig with batteries as to build another.

    Under planning rules, up to 30MWh of storage is not classed as a “power station” and doesn’t require a full public enquiry. So attaching a few ISO containers of storage to your solar farm is quite easy.

    Individually, not a lot. But when hundreds of solar farms (and wind farms) start adding those, it rapidly adds up.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 63,506

    Leon said:

    Andy_JS said:

    "DW Politics
    @dw_politics

    JUST IN: A German court rules government's move to turn away asylum seekers at border is unlawful- in a blow to Chancellor Merz."

    https://x.com/dw_politics/status/1929550116957860323

    The system of international law/human rights either needs to be changed or it will be overturned entirely.
    The legal/activist class across Europe are like the monks and priests of the Catholic Church in northern and Western Europe circa 1500. Parasitic, doctrinaire, vain, myopic and greedy. And you can feel the resentment building and building. A Reformation is coming to sweep them away and it might be violent
    That's a great analogy.

    But it goes wider. Full on Pride shite at work today with some events stretching into August. A queer quiz. A gay tapestry. Marches all over the place. A fans for trans social.

    Who wants this shit?
    I am totally ungay, but your workplace sounds like fun.

    Did you realise the company was this "right on" when you joined?
    All companies are like this now. All of them.

    The only acceptable response is to cheer and amplify it. To do anything else risks you being labelled as a homophobe, and we all know what that means.

    So, this absurd foghorning goes on - despite most people not really caring and being somewhat fed up with it all.
    It sounds good to me.

    I am old enough to remember the days when a line manager would call one a f*****' g*y, or a g*y b****** when one missed KPI targets.
    And, simplistic reflexes like this are always the response to any challenge.

    For one thing, it's f--king boring.

    Keep Pride to a simple weekend. The rest of the time shut up about it.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 127,936
    Andy_JS said:

    "DW Politics
    @dw_politics

    JUST IN: A German court rules government's move to turn away asylum seekers at border is unlawful- in a blow to Chancellor Merz."

    https://x.com/dw_politics/status/1929550116957860323

    Merz in breach of EU law the judges ruled

    'Legal experts have said the German government’s policy is in violation of European law — and some argued the new policy amounted to political theater. Under the so-called Dublin Regulation, European countries are normally obliged to admit asylum applicants to check which member country is responsible for adjudicating their request. That argument was confirmed by the court in Berlin on Monday.'
    https://www.politico.eu/article/court-german-rejects-ruling-friedrich-merz-migration-europe-police/
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 63,506

    Leon said:

    Andy_JS said:

    "DW Politics
    @dw_politics

    JUST IN: A German court rules government's move to turn away asylum seekers at border is unlawful- in a blow to Chancellor Merz."

    https://x.com/dw_politics/status/1929550116957860323

    The system of international law/human rights either needs to be changed or it will be overturned entirely.
    The legal/activist class across Europe are like the monks and priests of the Catholic Church in northern and Western Europe circa 1500. Parasitic, doctrinaire, vain, myopic and greedy. And you can feel the resentment building and building. A Reformation is coming to sweep them away and it might be violent
    That's a great analogy.

    But it goes wider. Full on Pride shite at work today with some events stretching into August. A queer quiz. A gay tapestry. Marches all over the place. A fans for trans social.

    Who wants this shit?
    I am totally ungay, but your workplace sounds like fun.

    Did you realise the company was this "right on" when you joined?
    All companies are like this now. All of them.

    The only acceptable response is to cheer and amplify it. To do anything else risks you being labelled as a homophobe, and we all know what that means.

    So, this absurd foghorning goes on - despite most people not really caring and being somewhat fed up with it all.
    There are multiple acceptable options.

    You can join in the fun if you want to. Or delete it and live your life letting other people have their fun without you if you want to.

    What's weird is trying to stop other people from having fun. Just live and let live.
    It's not fun. And I'm not stopping anyone else having this "fun".

    I just don't want it foghorned at me on every call for 3 months.

    Live and let live would mean respecting that not everyone cares.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 122,246

    NEW THREAD

  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 45,557

    isam said:

    Gang. Smashed

    1/4 of the sentence that Lucy Connolly got

    Two men have been jailed for piloting a boat across the Channel to the UK from France, in an incident which saw two people die in France.

    Afghan nationals Shah Salim Sajjadi, 38, and Safiollah Mohammadi, 25, were arrested after the vessel arrived into UK waters on Wednesday 21 May. It was carrying more than 70 people.

    Shortly after its departure from a beach near Calais earlier in the day a woman and child had been pulled off the over-crowded boat by a French coastal patrol vessel, but declared dead

    They were sentenced to eight months in prison.


    https://www.nationalcrimeagency.gov.uk/news/pair-jailed-following-fatal-channel-small-boat-crossing

    According to PB that poor lady who incited arson against a hotel full of people.

    Quadruple the smugglers's sentences by all means but stop moaning on about Connolly. She got what she deserved.
    A long prison sentence would probably have triggered a devastating Jenrick video about the cost to the taxpayer.
  • GallowgateGallowgate Posts: 20,482
    edited June 3

    Leon said:

    Andy_JS said:

    "DW Politics
    @dw_politics

    JUST IN: A German court rules government's move to turn away asylum seekers at border is unlawful- in a blow to Chancellor Merz."

    https://x.com/dw_politics/status/1929550116957860323

    The system of international law/human rights either needs to be changed or it will be overturned entirely.
    The legal/activist class across Europe are like the monks and priests of the Catholic Church in northern and Western Europe circa 1500. Parasitic, doctrinaire, vain, myopic and greedy. And you can feel the resentment building and building. A Reformation is coming to sweep them away and it might be violent
    That's a great analogy.

    But it goes wider. Full on Pride shite at work today with some events stretching into August. A queer quiz. A gay tapestry. Marches all over the place. A fans for trans social.

    Who wants this shit?
    I am totally ungay, but your workplace sounds like fun.

    Did you realise the company was this "right on" when you joined?
    All companies are like this now. All of them.

    The only acceptable response is to cheer and amplify it. To do anything else risks you being labelled as a homophobe, and we all know what that means.

    So, this absurd foghorning goes on - despite most people not really caring and being somewhat fed up with it all.
    That’s not my experience at double digit organisations across both engineering and law. You can delete DEI emails. You can refuse to put pronouns in email signatures. You don’t have to attend pride events. Nobody cares. It’s all in your head.

    I do all of those things and nobody thinks I am a homophobe because, well, I’m not.
    No, it's not all in my head - this is simple denialism by you.

    It's on every call I go to, and I have to listen to it all.

    You said upthread you loved this stuff, and now you say you don't do any of it.

    Which one is it?
    No, I said I wanted it. That doesn’t mean I have to participate - I am a straight white man. It isn’t for me.

    Who cares if you have to “listen to it”? Talk about small problems.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 63,506

    Leon said:

    Andy_JS said:

    "DW Politics
    @dw_politics

    JUST IN: A German court rules government's move to turn away asylum seekers at border is unlawful- in a blow to Chancellor Merz."

    https://x.com/dw_politics/status/1929550116957860323

    The system of international law/human rights either needs to be changed or it will be overturned entirely.
    The legal/activist class across Europe are like the monks and priests of the Catholic Church in northern and Western Europe circa 1500. Parasitic, doctrinaire, vain, myopic and greedy. And you can feel the resentment building and building. A Reformation is coming to sweep them away and it might be violent
    That's a great analogy.

    But it goes wider. Full on Pride shite at work today with some events stretching into August. A queer quiz. A gay tapestry. Marches all over the place. A fans for trans social.

    Who wants this shit?
    I am totally ungay, but your workplace sounds like fun.

    Did you realise the company was this "right on" when you joined?
    All companies are like this now. All of them.

    The only acceptable response is to cheer and amplify it. To do anything else risks you being labelled as a homophobe, and we all know what that means.

    So, this absurd foghorning goes on - despite most people not really caring and being somewhat fed up with it all.
    That’s not my experience at double digit organisations across both engineering and law. You can delete DEI emails. You can refuse to put pronouns in email signatures. You don’t have to attend pride events. Nobody cares. It’s all in your head.

    I do all of those things and nobody thinks I am a homophobe because, well, I’m not.
    No, it's not all in my head - this is simple denialism by you.

    It's on every call I go to, and I have to listen to it all.

    You said upthread you loved this stuff, and now you say you don't do any of it.

    Which one is it?
    No, I said I wanted it. That doesn’t mean I have to participate - I am a straight white man. It isn’t for me.

    Who cares if you have to “listen to it”? Talk about small problems.
    Hilarious.
  • No_Offence_AlanNo_Offence_Alan Posts: 5,071

    Leon said:

    Andy_JS said:

    "DW Politics
    @dw_politics

    JUST IN: A German court rules government's move to turn away asylum seekers at border is unlawful- in a blow to Chancellor Merz."

    https://x.com/dw_politics/status/1929550116957860323

    The system of international law/human rights either needs to be changed or it will be overturned entirely.
    The legal/activist class across Europe are like the monks and priests of the Catholic Church in northern and Western Europe circa 1500. Parasitic, doctrinaire, vain, myopic and greedy. And you can feel the resentment building and building. A Reformation is coming to sweep them away and it might be violent
    That's a great analogy.

    But it goes wider. Full on Pride shite at work today with some events stretching into August. A queer quiz. A gay tapestry. Marches all over the place. A fans for trans social.

    Who wants this shit?
    I am totally ungay, but your workplace sounds like fun.

    Did you realise the company was this "right on" when you joined?
    All companies are like this now. All of them.

    The only acceptable response is to cheer and amplify it. To do anything else risks you being labelled as a homophobe, and we all know what that means.

    So, this absurd foghorning goes on - despite most people not really caring and being somewhat fed up with it all.
    It sounds good to me.

    I am old enough to remember the days when a line manager would call one a f*****' g*y, or a g*y b****** when one missed KPI targets.
    KPIs are Woke.
  • TazTaz Posts: 18,751

    Taz said:

    Cookie said:

    Taz said:

    Andy_JS said:

    "Three Britons could face death penalty in Bali over charges of smuggling cocaine in Angel Delight sachets"

    https://news.sky.com/story/three-britons-could-face-death-penalty-in-bali-over-charges-of-smuggling-cocaine-in-angel-delight-sachets-13378572

    Can’t do the time……
    Angel Delight is another remnant of 70s execrabilia which should not have outlasted the decade. I'm not surprised the Indonesian authorities were suspicious.
    Butterscotch angel Delight was god tier stuff.

    I’ve not seen it for years.
    Every major supermarket stocks it
    When it comes to shopping I’m like the S.A.S.

    Get in, get the job done, get out.
  • BartholomewRobertsBartholomewRoberts Posts: 24,275
    edited June 3
    ...
  • GallowgateGallowgate Posts: 20,482

    Leon said:

    Andy_JS said:

    "DW Politics
    @dw_politics

    JUST IN: A German court rules government's move to turn away asylum seekers at border is unlawful- in a blow to Chancellor Merz."

    https://x.com/dw_politics/status/1929550116957860323

    The system of international law/human rights either needs to be changed or it will be overturned entirely.
    The legal/activist class across Europe are like the monks and priests of the Catholic Church in northern and Western Europe circa 1500. Parasitic, doctrinaire, vain, myopic and greedy. And you can feel the resentment building and building. A Reformation is coming to sweep them away and it might be violent
    That's a great analogy.

    But it goes wider. Full on Pride shite at work today with some events stretching into August. A queer quiz. A gay tapestry. Marches all over the place. A fans for trans social.

    Who wants this shit?
    I am totally ungay, but your workplace sounds like fun.

    Did you realise the company was this "right on" when you joined?
    All companies are like this now. All of them.

    The only acceptable response is to cheer and amplify it. To do anything else risks you being labelled as a homophobe, and we all know what that means.

    So, this absurd foghorning goes on - despite most people not really caring and being somewhat fed up with it all.
    That’s not my experience at double digit organisations across both engineering and law. You can delete DEI emails. You can refuse to put pronouns in email signatures. You don’t have to attend pride events. Nobody cares. It’s all in your head.

    I do all of those things and nobody thinks I am a homophobe because, well, I’m not.
    No, it's not all in my head - this is simple denialism by you.

    It's on every call I go to, and I have to listen to it all.

    You said upthread you loved this stuff, and now you say you don't do any of it.

    Which one is it?
    No, I said I wanted it. That doesn’t mean I have to participate - I am a straight white man. It isn’t for me.

    Who cares if you have to “listen to it”? Talk about small problems.
    Hilarious.
    To be frank @Casino_Royale on this point it just sounds like you have irrational prejudice. You hate it because you have decided you hate it. It is completely irrational. If you don’t want to participate or engage then just don’t and get on with the job. Good grief.
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 43,808
    Battlebus said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Andy_JS said:

    TimS said:

    £-28 per mwh electricity price currently. Another day where our lack of storage, grid connections, electrified heavy industrial base and interconnector capacity means we’re leaving money on the table.

    I don't understand why we haven't built more hydro-electric reservoirs over the last 30 years which could be used to store energy.
    Read up on the howling that occurring if someone thinks about thinking about maybe suggesting a hydro-electric scheme in the U.K.
    You'd think there would be plenty of remote areas in Scotland they could use.
    My alternative to that suggestion. Follow the Chinese approach and flood the valley closer to the need.


    Forcing Scotland, an energy rich nation, to flood its areas of natural beauty for the greater good would be very on brand.
    See also Scottish Nuclear.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 54,412
    Taz said:

    Taz said:

    Cookie said:

    Taz said:

    Andy_JS said:

    "Three Britons could face death penalty in Bali over charges of smuggling cocaine in Angel Delight sachets"

    https://news.sky.com/story/three-britons-could-face-death-penalty-in-bali-over-charges-of-smuggling-cocaine-in-angel-delight-sachets-13378572

    Can’t do the time……
    Angel Delight is another remnant of 70s execrabilia which should not have outlasted the decade. I'm not surprised the Indonesian authorities were suspicious.
    Butterscotch angel Delight was god tier stuff.

    I’ve not seen it for years.
    Every major supermarket stocks it
    When it comes to shopping I’m like the S.A.S.

    Get in, get the job done, get out.
    "The SAS have a famous motto: "Who dares wins". WE dare! We will WIN!"
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 77,986

    Nigelb said:

    Andy_JS said:

    TimS said:

    £-28 per mwh electricity price currently. Another day where our lack of storage, grid connections, electrified heavy industrial base and interconnector capacity means we’re leaving money on the table.

    I don't understand why we haven't built more hydro-electric reservoirs over the last 30 years which could be used to store energy.
    Because they're nosebleedingly expensive in relation to the power generated, in most cases.

    If you dammed a very large Scottish valley, then it might be cost effective, but the (by a very long way) most attractive location for a mega project has been repeatedly vetoed (for understandable reasons).
    This is an amazing project

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dinorwig_Power_Station
    It is, but I doubt anything similar will be built again as it will very soon be cheaper to replicate its capabilities with a large battery storage facility.

    I believe it cost around £425m, forty years ago. It would be nearer £1.5bn today, I think ?
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 55,014

    Nigelb said:

    Andy_JS said:

    TimS said:

    £-28 per mwh electricity price currently. Another day where our lack of storage, grid connections, electrified heavy industrial base and interconnector capacity means we’re leaving money on the table.

    I don't understand why we haven't built more hydro-electric reservoirs over the last 30 years which could be used to store energy.
    Because they're nosebleedingly expensive in relation to the power generated, in most cases.

    If you dammed a very large Scottish valley, then it might be cost effective, but the (by a very long way) most attractive location for a mega project has been repeatedly vetoed (for understandable reasons).
    This is an amazing project

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dinorwig_Power_Station
    You could of course create a few more of these by working in tandem with extracting the rock required for tidal lagoon power stations. As long as it is of the correct quality for the "armour rock " cladding required to with stand the tides (and perhaps, acid rain) for 120/180 years.

    Just sayin'...
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 45,694
    Andy_JS said:

    TimS said:

    £-28 per mwh electricity price currently. Another day where our lack of storage, grid connections, electrified heavy industrial base and interconnector capacity means we’re leaving money on the table.

    I don't understand why we haven't built more hydro-electric reservoirs over the last 30 years which could be used to store energy.
    AIUI there are relatively few potential worthwhile sites. For pumped-storage, you need as large a head of water as possible, and as large an area to hold water in the upper reservoir as possible, with as little horizontal distance between the upper and lower reservoirs as possible. Ideally the upper reservoir will be as near a bowl as possible, to decrease construction costs. Geology also matters. You can have less head between upper and lower reservoirs, or smaller upper reservoir, but that decreases storage capacity. You can spend much more creating massive upper reservoirs, but that's more expensive.

    But there are also various different forms of such schemes as well.
  • TazTaz Posts: 18,751

    Leon said:

    Andy_JS said:

    "DW Politics
    @dw_politics

    JUST IN: A German court rules government's move to turn away asylum seekers at border is unlawful- in a blow to Chancellor Merz."

    https://x.com/dw_politics/status/1929550116957860323

    The system of international law/human rights either needs to be changed or it will be overturned entirely.
    The legal/activist class across Europe are like the monks and priests of the Catholic Church in northern and Western Europe circa 1500. Parasitic, doctrinaire, vain, myopic and greedy. And you can feel the resentment building and building. A Reformation is coming to sweep them away and it might be violent
    That's a great analogy.

    But it goes wider. Full on Pride shite at work today with some events stretching into August. A queer quiz. A gay tapestry. Marches all over the place. A fans for trans social.

    Who wants this shit?
    I am totally ungay, but your workplace sounds like fun.

    Did you realise the company was this "right on" when you joined?
    All companies are like this now. All of them.

    The only acceptable response is to cheer and amplify it. To do anything else risks you being labelled as a homophobe, and we all know what that means.

    So, this absurd foghorning goes on - despite most people not really caring and being somewhat fed up with it all.
    My last company was getting like that but dialled back the last two years.

    Didn’t bother me. I had a rainbow lanyard as I needed a lanyard not to buy into the tick box shite.

    They used to have all the various flags on the screens we had in the office. Didn’t bother anyone but didn’t enthuse anyone either.

    It’s all corporate and tick box.
  • BartholomewRobertsBartholomewRoberts Posts: 24,275
    edited June 3
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  • TazTaz Posts: 18,751
    Nigelb said:

    Leon said:

    Andy_JS said:

    "DW Politics
    @dw_politics

    JUST IN: A German court rules government's move to turn away asylum seekers at border is unlawful- in a blow to Chancellor Merz."

    https://x.com/dw_politics/status/1929550116957860323

    The system of international law/human rights either needs to be changed or it will be overturned entirely.
    If we stopped funding proxy wars and spent more on development, there would be less for asylum seekers to run away from.
    This is narcissism disguised as altruism and I doubt you even really believe it. According to that logic we should stop funding Ukraine to fight against Russia.
    If we stop the forces driving asylum seekers, there would not be so many of them.
    If we stopped the forces driving Nazism - ie Jews - there wouldn’t be so many Nazis
    Jews were the force driving Nazism ?

    You know who else might think that ?
    Ken.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 27,631
    edited June 3
    Talking of Daring and Winning, and Victorians, my photo for the day is a lady Victorian, cycling in "Rationals" (1895):



    With a wonderful list of "don'ts" from New York World, also 1895:

    Don’t faint on the road.
    Don’t wear a man’s cap.
    Don’t wear tight garters.
    ...
    Don’t wear loud hued leggings.
    Don’t cultivate a “bicycle face.”
    Don’t refuse assistance up a hill
    ...
    Don’t wear white kid gloves. Silk is the thing.
    ,..
    Don’t go to church in your bicycle costume.
    Don’t wear a garden party hat with bloomers.
    ...
    Don’t scratch a match on the seat of your bloomers.
    Don’t discuss bloomers with every man you know.
    Don’t appear in public until you have learned to ride well.

    And there's lots more...
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 45,694
    Nigelb said:

    Nigelb said:

    Andy_JS said:

    TimS said:

    £-28 per mwh electricity price currently. Another day where our lack of storage, grid connections, electrified heavy industrial base and interconnector capacity means we’re leaving money on the table.

    I don't understand why we haven't built more hydro-electric reservoirs over the last 30 years which could be used to store energy.
    Because they're nosebleedingly expensive in relation to the power generated, in most cases.

    If you dammed a very large Scottish valley, then it might be cost effective, but the (by a very long way) most attractive location for a mega project has been repeatedly vetoed (for understandable reasons).
    This is an amazing project

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dinorwig_Power_Station
    It is, but I doubt anything similar will be built again as it will very soon be cheaper to replicate its capabilities with a large battery storage facility.

    I believe it cost around £425m, forty years ago. It would be nearer £1.5bn today, I think ?
    Perhaps.

    A couple of decades ago, there was a formative scheme to take a small Scottish island and level it for aggregate: build a big shaft down the middle, which joins to a large adit that ships could go along. A cavern connecting shaft and adit would house the crushers and other items.

    This could partially be done: dig out the top of an island for aggregate, and leave the rest for a massive pump-storage scheme.
  • eekeek Posts: 30,225
    Phil said:

    Jenkrick is out-communicating the entire Tory front bench right now: https://x.com/RobertJenrick/status/1929815747275927606

    The response of the commentariat to the fare-dodging video was woeful. Can’t wait to see just how ham-fisted they are about this one - there was an awful fascination about watching the London insider crowd so woefully mishandle the previous Jenrick video, regardless of whether you agree with his politics.

    Not difficult, he seems to be the only one bothering to do any campaigning
  • eekeek Posts: 30,225
    Taz said:

    Leon said:

    Andy_JS said:

    "DW Politics
    @dw_politics

    JUST IN: A German court rules government's move to turn away asylum seekers at border is unlawful- in a blow to Chancellor Merz."

    https://x.com/dw_politics/status/1929550116957860323

    The system of international law/human rights either needs to be changed or it will be overturned entirely.
    The legal/activist class across Europe are like the monks and priests of the Catholic Church in northern and Western Europe circa 1500. Parasitic, doctrinaire, vain, myopic and greedy. And you can feel the resentment building and building. A Reformation is coming to sweep them away and it might be violent
    That's a great analogy.

    But it goes wider. Full on Pride shite at work today with some events stretching into August. A queer quiz. A gay tapestry. Marches all over the place. A fans for trans social.

    Who wants this shit?
    I am totally ungay, but your workplace sounds like fun.

    Did you realise the company was this "right on" when you joined?
    All companies are like this now. All of them.

    The only acceptable response is to cheer and amplify it. To do anything else risks you being labelled as a homophobe, and we all know what that means.

    So, this absurd foghorning goes on - despite most people not really caring and being somewhat fed up with it all.
    My last company was getting like that but dialled back the last two years.

    Didn’t bother me. I had a rainbow lanyard as I needed a lanyard not to buy into the tick box shite.

    They used to have all the various flags on the screens we had in the office. Didn’t bother anyone but didn’t enthuse anyone either.

    It’s all corporate and tick box.
    It costs little and makes a number of people happy.

    It also seems to annoy a few fuddyduddies who like to complain about things for the sake of it which I really don’t get
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 63,506

    Leon said:

    Andy_JS said:

    "DW Politics
    @dw_politics

    JUST IN: A German court rules government's move to turn away asylum seekers at border is unlawful- in a blow to Chancellor Merz."

    https://x.com/dw_politics/status/1929550116957860323

    The system of international law/human rights either needs to be changed or it will be overturned entirely.
    The legal/activist class across Europe are like the monks and priests of the Catholic Church in northern and Western Europe circa 1500. Parasitic, doctrinaire, vain, myopic and greedy. And you can feel the resentment building and building. A Reformation is coming to sweep them away and it might be violent
    That's a great analogy.

    But it goes wider. Full on Pride shite at work today with some events stretching into August. A queer quiz. A gay tapestry. Marches all over the place. A fans for trans social.

    Who wants this shit?
    I am totally ungay, but your workplace sounds like fun.

    Did you realise the company was this "right on" when you joined?
    All companies are like this now. All of them.

    The only acceptable response is to cheer and amplify it. To do anything else risks you being labelled as a homophobe, and we all know what that means.

    So, this absurd foghorning goes on - despite most people not really caring and being somewhat fed up with it all.
    That’s not my experience at double digit organisations across both engineering and law. You can delete DEI emails. You can refuse to put pronouns in email signatures. You don’t have to attend pride events. Nobody cares. It’s all in your head.

    I do all of those things and nobody thinks I am a homophobe because, well, I’m not.
    No, it's not all in my head - this is simple denialism by you.

    It's on every call I go to, and I have to listen to it all.

    You said upthread you loved this stuff, and now you say you don't do any of it.

    Which one is it?
    No, I said I wanted it. That doesn’t mean I have to participate - I am a straight white man. It isn’t for me.

    Who cares if you have to “listen to it”? Talk about small problems.
    Hilarious.
    To be frank @Casino_Royale on this point it just sounds like you have irrational prejudice. You hate it because you have decided you hate it. It is completely irrational. If you don’t want to participate or engage then just don’t and get on with the job. Good grief.
    No, there's nothing irrational about it at all: I just don't want to hear about it every day in every meeting every June (and beyond) every single year. I think it's complete overkill and disproportionate. It's irritating. It's annoying.

    It's just part of the Juche of Wokeism and, as fellow theist, that's precisely how you see it. And, to get on, you must echo it as otherwise you have the finger of suspicion hanging over you and your career.

    You are part of the problem.
  • Pagan2Pagan2 Posts: 11,762
    Andy_JS said:

    "Three Britons could face death penalty in Bali over charges of smuggling cocaine in Angel Delight sachets"

    https://news.sky.com/story/three-britons-could-face-death-penalty-in-bali-over-charges-of-smuggling-cocaine-in-angel-delight-sachets-13378572

    And the problem is?
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