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SystemSystem Posts: 12,483
edited May 24 in General
Things can only get better – politicalbetting.com

Reform UK and Green voters are the most likely to believe a government led by their party would make a "very positive difference" to the UKCurrent Reform UK voters: 55% say very positive differenceGreen: 49%Conservative: 28%Lib Dem: 27%Labour: 22%yougov.co.uk/politics/art…

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  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 51,556
    edited May 24
    First!

    Things are better already :)
  • FF43FF43 Posts: 18,005
    If you believe that, you'll believe anything. Unfortunately they do.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 54,894
    edited May 24
    Things can only get better.

    Ironic, as plenty of scope for them to get worse for Labour. Much worse. As next year's locals will demonstrate.

    "I have a D:Ream..."

    "Er, kill the music..."
  • rkrkrkrkrkrk Posts: 8,684
    Can't help but think there will be some very disappointed reform voters if they ever do win
  • OnlyLivingBoyOnlyLivingBoy Posts: 16,514
    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2025/may/24/posturing-farages-reform-quake-so-far-limited-to-small-acts-of-war-on-woke

    So far Reform's agenda in local government seems to extend no further than taking down the Ukrainian flag - perhaps unsurprising given Farage's past relationship with Russia Today. The comments from the independent Durham councillor at the end of the article seem quite perceptive. I would guess a Reform government would be quite a disappointment to its supporters. Complex problems are not easily fixed by simplistic solutions.
  • rkrkrkrkrkrk Posts: 8,684
    Anyone else noticed bluesky being overrun by bots lately?
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 65,928
    rkrkrk said:

    Anyone else noticed bluesky being overrun by bots lately?

    Not seen it myself so far.
  • rkrkrkrkrkrk Posts: 8,684

    rkrkrk said:

    Anyone else noticed bluesky being overrun by bots lately?

    Not seen it myself so far.
    I seem to have acquired 900 followers. But I don't post anything...
  • RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 30,183
    rkrkrk said:

    Can't help but think there will be some very disappointed reform voters if they ever do win

    Sure - people have a big list of "why can't we just" tasks for policy issues which are just "common sense".

    In reality, there's a reason why we do some things why we do. We need reform and *significant* reform, but you have to replace x with y, you can't just scrap x because it is "woke"
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 65,928

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2025/may/24/posturing-farages-reform-quake-so-far-limited-to-small-acts-of-war-on-woke

    So far Reform's agenda in local government seems to extend no further than taking down the Ukrainian flag - perhaps unsurprising given Farage's past relationship with Russia Today. The comments from the independent Durham councillor at the end of the article seem quite perceptive. I would guess a Reform government would be quite a disappointment to its supporters. Complex problems are not easily fixed by simplistic solutions.

    Reform in my ward promised an end to small boats, and end to Net Zero and to fix all the potholes.

    So I assume if they had won they would be mainly working on potholing.

    As it happens they were beaten by an indie who has been around a while.
  • flanner2flanner2 Posts: 25

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2025/may/24/posturing-farages-reform-quake-so-far-limited-to-small-acts-of-war-on-woke

    So far Reform's agenda in local government seems to extend no further than taking down the Ukrainian flag - perhaps unsurprising given Farage's past relationship with Russia Today. The comments from the independent Durham councillor at the end of the article seem quite perceptive. I would guess a Reform government would be quite a disappointment to its supporters. Complex problems are not easily fixed by simplistic solutions.

    But Reform have only had three weeks. Did the LibDems in Oxfordshire, Cambridgeshire or Shropshire achieve anything in their first three weeks? Has ANY local authority ever truly done anything in its first three weeks?
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 65,928
    Last week, my organisation Fairer Finance published a report showing that by 2040, more than half of retirees will need to use their property to maintain their standard of living in later life.

    I’d like to see public information campaigns that start to talk about housing as a key store of wealth that we should be using to help fund retirement. The Government should also look for other ways to incentivise downsizing, such as reducing or even scrapping stamp duty for “last-time” buyers.

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/money/retirement/millions-only-able-retire-cash-in-properties
  • OnlyLivingBoyOnlyLivingBoy Posts: 16,514
    flanner2 said:

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2025/may/24/posturing-farages-reform-quake-so-far-limited-to-small-acts-of-war-on-woke

    So far Reform's agenda in local government seems to extend no further than taking down the Ukrainian flag - perhaps unsurprising given Farage's past relationship with Russia Today. The comments from the independent Durham councillor at the end of the article seem quite perceptive. I would guess a Reform government would be quite a disappointment to its supporters. Complex problems are not easily fixed by simplistic solutions.

    But Reform have only had three weeks. Did the LibDems in Oxfordshire, Cambridgeshire or Shropshire achieve anything in their first three weeks? Has ANY local authority ever truly done anything in its first three weeks?
    It's good that in their first few weeks they have still found time to do Russia's bidding, though.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 51,714

    rkrkrk said:

    Can't help but think there will be some very disappointed reform voters if they ever do win

    If it does go wrong, it won't the the fault of Saint Nigel of Albion. Or the fault of voters for voting for him. The Deep Dark State will have sabotaged him and the conspiracy theory will just take another loop round the spiral.

    Evidence: every other failed populist in history. And they pretty much always fail, because you can't defeat arithmetic.
    Very much so, just look at Trumpistan for a current example.

    It's like those pathetic groups of Russians petitioning Putin/Stalin/The Tsar, convinced that their great leader has made some administrative error by shafting them.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 51,714
    rkrkrk said:

    Anyone else noticed bluesky being overrun by bots lately?

    Not overrun, but I do get a few pneumatic young women eager to follow me for my occasional posts on politics or pop culture. Much less of it than Twitter, but the same phenomenon.
  • FF43FF43 Posts: 18,005
    flanner2 said:

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2025/may/24/posturing-farages-reform-quake-so-far-limited-to-small-acts-of-war-on-woke

    So far Reform's agenda in local government seems to extend no further than taking down the Ukrainian flag - perhaps unsurprising given Farage's past relationship with Russia Today. The comments from the independent Durham councillor at the end of the article seem quite perceptive. I would guess a Reform government would be quite a disappointment to its supporters. Complex problems are not easily fixed by simplistic solutions.

    But Reform have only had three weeks. Did the LibDems in Oxfordshire, Cambridgeshire or Shropshire achieve anything in their first three weeks? Has ANY local authority ever truly done anything in its first three weeks?
    Reform have made things a little worse in pointless ways in the three weeks they have run these councils, as noted in the article. Give them time and they will no doubt do more.

  • AnneJGPAnneJGP Posts: 3,531
    Good morning, everyone.

    Thanks for the header, it's nice to know some of us feel cause for optimism in any of our politicians.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 51,556
    FF43 said:

    flanner2 said:

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2025/may/24/posturing-farages-reform-quake-so-far-limited-to-small-acts-of-war-on-woke

    So far Reform's agenda in local government seems to extend no further than taking down the Ukrainian flag - perhaps unsurprising given Farage's past relationship with Russia Today. The comments from the independent Durham councillor at the end of the article seem quite perceptive. I would guess a Reform government would be quite a disappointment to its supporters. Complex problems are not easily fixed by simplistic solutions.

    But Reform have only had three weeks. Did the LibDems in Oxfordshire, Cambridgeshire or Shropshire achieve anything in their first three weeks? Has ANY local authority ever truly done anything in its first three weeks?
    Reform have made things a little worse in pointless ways in the three weeks they have run these councils, as noted in the article. Give them time and they will no doubt do more.

    The two Reform by-election winners on the island sat on their hands while the rest of the council voted for the leadership for the coming year; the vote between the Alliance Indys and the Tories was tied, and the new Chair cast his decider for the Indys (the previous alliance chair having got the hump at being replaced, and voting with the Tories). The committee chairs are a mix of Indy and Tory wins, due to the capriciousness of some of the voting. I can't see that council getting anything done before next year's delayed elections and, on current polls, yet another Reform council gain.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 77,586
    rkrkrk said:

    Can't help but think there will be some very disappointed reform voters if they ever do win

    Though as we've seen in the US, with sufficient fervour, supporters will go on believing all kinds of nonsense, against all evidence.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 55,365
    On topic it would have been interesting to see if there were regional splits on those figures. In Scotland we have recent experience of a Green coalition government. It did not make things better, believe me.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 63,147
    Dreadful song, that became inexorably associated with Tony Blair's gurning face and lots of New Labour flags being flown.

    Yuk.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 77,586
    Things will only get worse.

    ‘I’m not looking for a deal’: Trump revives global trade war
    https://www.politico.com/news/2025/05/23/trump-global-trade-war-apple-eu-00368401

    Trump turns the screws on big companies amid tariff fight
    https://www.politico.com/news/2025/05/23/trump-tariffs-apple-walmart-00367595

    President Donald Trump promised that his administration would be able to make quick trade deals with more than 50 trading partners. But halfway into his self-imposed deadline, talks have gotten bogged down.
    https://www.politico.com/news/2025/05/23/trump-tariff-trade-july-deadline-00366404


    The decidedly mediocre deals that Starmer has agreed might turn out to be relatively attractive.

    Trump is making the US harder and harder to trade with. And a less attractive place to invest.
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 31,333
    flanner2 said:

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2025/may/24/posturing-farages-reform-quake-so-far-limited-to-small-acts-of-war-on-woke

    So far Reform's agenda in local government seems to extend no further than taking down the Ukrainian flag - perhaps unsurprising given Farage's past relationship with Russia Today. The comments from the independent Durham councillor at the end of the article seem quite perceptive. I would guess a Reform government would be quite a disappointment to its supporters. Complex problems are not easily fixed by simplistic solutions.

    But Reform have only had three weeks. Did the LibDems in Oxfordshire, Cambridgeshire or Shropshire achieve anything in their first three weeks? Has ANY local authority ever truly done anything in its first three weeks?
    Quite. It's desparate stuff.
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 22,917
    Happy play off final day.

    Two teams competing for the chance to be relegated next season.

  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 65,928
    The EU is already making noises that Starmer’s recent deal with the US broke World Trade Organization rules (which it probably did) and a UK commitment to uphold those rules was written into the EU-UK “reset” deal. Trump detests the WTO and would not be unhappy to see the arrangement collapse, so is unlikely to be swayed by any UK appeals for modification of its current deal to achieve WTO compliance.

    So the UK might yet be forced to decide whether to try to hold on to its gains in its deal with the US even if doing so risks retaliatory measures from the EU

    Lilico - telegraph
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 77,586
    These people are insane.
    What they are proposing is to cripple one of America's most profitable companies.

    Blackburn: This is all part of making sure the country is affordable. 80% of all iPhones are made in China currently… This manufacturing needs to come back to the U.S. It is jobs, it is wages..

    Chaffetz: By next year, people will understand that’s part of the America first agenda. So, just eat it

    https://x.com/Acyn/status/1926093453298954288

    Nike isn't going to make trainers in the US either.

    Trump is acting more as a Chinese agent than a Russian one.
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 14,356

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2025/may/24/posturing-farages-reform-quake-so-far-limited-to-small-acts-of-war-on-woke

    So far Reform's agenda in local government seems to extend no further than taking down the Ukrainian flag - perhaps unsurprising given Farage's past relationship with Russia Today. The comments from the independent Durham councillor at the end of the article seem quite perceptive. I would guess a Reform government would be quite a disappointment to its supporters. Complex problems are not easily fixed by simplistic solutions.

    I fly no flag ;) for Reform but your statement is misleading as it implies they were explicitly banning the flying of the Ukrainian flag. In fact they were banning the flying of all flags except those of England and the UK. Petty and pointless but not specifically targetted against Ukraine.
    What is the main other national flag that is currently being flown? It’s Ukraine’s.
  • noneoftheabovenoneoftheabove Posts: 24,657

    The EU is already making noises that Starmer’s recent deal with the US broke World Trade Organization rules (which it probably did) and a UK commitment to uphold those rules was written into the EU-UK “reset” deal. Trump detests the WTO and would not be unhappy to see the arrangement collapse, so is unlikely to be swayed by any UK appeals for modification of its current deal to achieve WTO compliance.

    So the UK might yet be forced to decide whether to try to hold on to its gains in its deal with the US even if doing so risks retaliatory measures from the EU

    Lilico - telegraph

    Just send it to WTO adjudication, by the time it gets round to being dealt with either Trump will have gone or the EU and US will have done a deal anyway.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 77,586

    flanner2 said:

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2025/may/24/posturing-farages-reform-quake-so-far-limited-to-small-acts-of-war-on-woke

    So far Reform's agenda in local government seems to extend no further than taking down the Ukrainian flag - perhaps unsurprising given Farage's past relationship with Russia Today. The comments from the independent Durham councillor at the end of the article seem quite perceptive. I would guess a Reform government would be quite a disappointment to its supporters. Complex problems are not easily fixed by simplistic solutions.

    But Reform have only had three weeks. Did the LibDems in Oxfordshire, Cambridgeshire or Shropshire achieve anything in their first three weeks? Has ANY local authority ever truly done anything in its first three weeks?
    Quite. It's desparate stuff.
    Nonsense.



    It's either desperate, or disparate.

  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 22,917
    Foxy said:

    rkrkrk said:

    Anyone else noticed bluesky being overrun by bots lately?

    Not overrun, but I do get a few pneumatic young women eager to follow me for my occasional posts on politics or pop culture. Much less of it than Twitter, but the same phenomenon.
    I seem to be missing out. I guess those women aren't interested in trains.
  • CookieCookie Posts: 15,172

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2025/may/24/posturing-farages-reform-quake-so-far-limited-to-small-acts-of-war-on-woke

    So far Reform's agenda in local government seems to extend no further than taking down the Ukrainian flag - perhaps unsurprising given Farage's past relationship with Russia Today. The comments from the independent Durham councillor at the end of the article seem quite perceptive. I would guess a Reform government would be quite a disappointment to its supporters. Complex problems are not easily fixed by simplistic solutions.

    I fly no flag ;) for Reform but your statement is misleading as it implies they were explicitly banning the flying of the Ukrainian flag. In fact they were banning the flying of all flags except those of England and the UK. Petty and pointless but not specifically targetted against Ukraine.
    What is the main other national flag that is currently being flown? It’s Ukraine’s.
    All flags. Not national flags. Its clearly aimed at the various pride flags.
  • noneoftheabovenoneoftheabove Posts: 24,657
    edited May 24
    Nigelb said:

    These people are insane.
    What they are proposing is to cripple one of America's most profitable companies.

    Blackburn: This is all part of making sure the country is affordable. 80% of all iPhones are made in China currently… This manufacturing needs to come back to the U.S. It is jobs, it is wages..

    Chaffetz: By next year, people will understand that’s part of the America first agenda. So, just eat it

    https://x.com/Acyn/status/1926093453298954288

    Nike isn't going to make trainers in the US either.

    Trump is acting more as a Chinese agent than a Russian one.

    They are not insane, just living in the 1950s and 60s and the textbooks of that time. US manufacturing accounts for 8% of US jobs, they are not particularly desirable and the bigger threat is further automation rather than foreign competition. If they reduced their massive goods deficit to 0, which they can't realistically do, it would only be about 2-3% more jobs and they probably wouldn't be in the locations that need them or done by the people who feel nostalgic about them. Then in a decade or two, automation would take it back down to 8%, and falling, anyway.

    You can't build a future around this.
  • BartholomewRobertsBartholomewRoberts Posts: 23,998
    DavidL said:

    Something weird has happened overnight. The ground is wet, the burn a little fuller, the grass has gone greener. Has it rained? I thought that was only mythology now.

    Its half-term and a Bank Holiday weekend, so that means it is going to rain every day now for the next week.
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 22,917

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2025/may/24/posturing-farages-reform-quake-so-far-limited-to-small-acts-of-war-on-woke

    So far Reform's agenda in local government seems to extend no further than taking down the Ukrainian flag - perhaps unsurprising given Farage's past relationship with Russia Today. The comments from the independent Durham councillor at the end of the article seem quite perceptive. I would guess a Reform government would be quite a disappointment to its supporters. Complex problems are not easily fixed by simplistic solutions.

    I fly no flag ;) for Reform but your statement is misleading as it implies they were explicitly banning the flying of the Ukrainian flag. In fact they were banning the flying of all flags except those of England and the UK. Petty and pointless but not specifically targetted against Ukraine.
    Ironically, the Durham county flag is the same two colours as the Ukrainian flag.
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 14,356
    Cookie said:

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2025/may/24/posturing-farages-reform-quake-so-far-limited-to-small-acts-of-war-on-woke

    So far Reform's agenda in local government seems to extend no further than taking down the Ukrainian flag - perhaps unsurprising given Farage's past relationship with Russia Today. The comments from the independent Durham councillor at the end of the article seem quite perceptive. I would guess a Reform government would be quite a disappointment to its supporters. Complex problems are not easily fixed by simplistic solutions.

    I fly no flag ;) for Reform but your statement is misleading as it implies they were explicitly banning the flying of the Ukrainian flag. In fact they were banning the flying of all flags except those of England and the UK. Petty and pointless but not specifically targetted against Ukraine.
    What is the main other national flag that is currently being flown? It’s Ukraine’s.
    All flags. Not national flags. Its clearly aimed at the various pride flags.
    Then they could have banned non-national flags. They chose a ban that stopped a lot of flying of the Ukrainian flag.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 55,365

    DavidL said:

    Something weird has happened overnight. The ground is wet, the burn a little fuller, the grass has gone greener. Has it rained? I thought that was only mythology now.

    Its half-term and a Bank Holiday weekend, so that means it is going to rain every day now for the next week.
    LOL. And I missed my chance to use the word "petrichor" this morning. One of the many things I have learned from PB this last week.
  • FairlieredFairliered Posts: 5,754
    Cookie said:

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2025/may/24/posturing-farages-reform-quake-so-far-limited-to-small-acts-of-war-on-woke

    So far Reform's agenda in local government seems to extend no further than taking down the Ukrainian flag - perhaps unsurprising given Farage's past relationship with Russia Today. The comments from the independent Durham councillor at the end of the article seem quite perceptive. I would guess a Reform government would be quite a disappointment to its supporters. Complex problems are not easily fixed by simplistic solutions.

    I fly no flag ;) for Reform but your statement is misleading as it implies they were explicitly banning the flying of the Ukrainian flag. In fact they were banning the flying of all flags except those of England and the UK. Petty and pointless but not specifically targetted against Ukraine.
    What is the main other national flag that is currently being flown? It’s Ukraine’s.
    All flags. Not national flags. Its clearly aimed at the various pride flags.
    And the save the NHS flags. They want them replaced by sell the NHS flags.
  • FishingFishing Posts: 5,560
    edited May 24
    Nigelb said:

    These people are insane.
    What they are proposing is to cripple one of America's most profitable companies.

    Blackburn: This is all part of making sure the country is affordable. 80% of all iPhones are made in China currently… This manufacturing needs to come back to the U.S. It is jobs, it is wages..

    Chaffetz: By next year, people will understand that’s part of the America first agenda. So, just eat it

    https://x.com/Acyn/status/1926093453298954288

    Nike isn't going to make trainers in the US either.

    Trump is acting more as a Chinese agent than a Russian one.

    If he were, at least he might have some consistency or coherence in his policies.

    Trying to find either is a complete fool's errand.

    In fact he's acting like a narcissistic 13-year-old with the ethics of the New York property scammers where his formative experiences were and the attention span of a gnat, who gets all his ideas from the stranger parts of right-wing cable TV and repeats whatever the last person he met told him.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 55,365

    Happy play off final day.

    Two teams competing for the chance to be relegated next season.

    Happy play off final day.

    Two teams competing for the chance to be relegated next season.

    Surely £100m+?
  • FairlieredFairliered Posts: 5,754

    DavidL said:

    Something weird has happened overnight. The ground is wet, the burn a little fuller, the grass has gone greener. Has it rained? I thought that was only mythology now.

    Its half-term and a Bank Holiday weekend, so that means it is going to rain every day now for the next week.
    Good! Keep the noisy smelly oiks indoors so I can walk the dogs in peace.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 54,209

    It won't happen, because Bezos owns it now and is a twat, but the next James Bond - I think - needs to go more in the Roger Moore direction.

    We need fun. It needs to be extremely fun. Sexy opening scenes. A bit of humour. Big Union Jack's on parachutes, balloons, submarines and cars. Sex appeal. Gorgeous women. Amazing food. Great locations. Maybe a bit less of the ooft uhft! punch scenes and eyebrow raising, though.

    We need to feel good about being British again and being the good guys.

    I agree, but think a Bond being released in a world where Bond's ultimate imagined boss is Sir Titface somehow just wouldn't work.

    When we get rid of his Government and take a few steps in the right direction, the planets will align and Bond will return, Bezos or no.

    Moore is my favourite Bond.
    I reckon an 'Early Bond'* spin-off franchise could do well - Bond in the 1950s: cold war, low-tech, 50s glamour, war heroes, film starlets, French riviera, people dressing for
    dinner, etc. etc.

    (*'Early Bond', not 'Young Bond')
    We need to make him accessible. None of this Anglo-Norman Castle Scot background! Set him somewhere that appeals to most people - how about Essex. Basildon Bond?
    Russ Abbott beat you to it!
  • MattWMattW Posts: 27,293
    edited May 24
    A legal case for indirect discrimination against Kent County Council for failure to provide subtitles for hearing impaired people on their streamed and recorded Council meetings:

    https://shepwayvox.org/2025/05/23/reform-led-kent-council-under-fire-for-excluding-deaf-residents-from-democracy/

    It has good commentary, and has a neat summary of indirect discrimination:

    "Legal experts now argue this is a textbook case of indirect discrimination under Section 19 of the Act: a seemingly neutral practice—streaming without subtitles—that puts disabled people at a clear disadvantage, without objective justification."

    That's a good example of why the Equality Act 2010 is massively important, (never mind definitions of woman :smile: ). No subtitles excludes (RNID estimate) 90k people from the democratic process. The case sounds to me like a slam dunk, and I expect the Council to wibble or obfuscate furiously then back down.

    This is I think a continuing case, not related to Reform UK now leading Kent Council.
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 22,917
    DavidL said:

    Happy play off final day.

    Two teams competing for the chance to be relegated next season.

    Happy play off final day.

    Two teams competing for the chance to be relegated next season.

    Surely £100m+?
    Compensation for being on the receiving end of a drubbing every Saturday.

    If the Mackems lose it will round off a good footballing week.
  • FairlieredFairliered Posts: 5,754
    DavidL said:

    Happy play off final day.

    Two teams competing for the chance to be relegated next season.

    Happy play off final day.

    Two teams competing for the chance to be relegated next season.

    Surely £100m+?
    How many times of getting £100m every two seasons makes a club rich enough to stay in the Premiership? Asking for an Ipswich supporter.
  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 18,695

    Cookie said:

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2025/may/24/posturing-farages-reform-quake-so-far-limited-to-small-acts-of-war-on-woke

    So far Reform's agenda in local government seems to extend no further than taking down the Ukrainian flag - perhaps unsurprising given Farage's past relationship with Russia Today. The comments from the independent Durham councillor at the end of the article seem quite perceptive. I would guess a Reform government would be quite a disappointment to its supporters. Complex problems are not easily fixed by simplistic solutions.

    I fly no flag ;) for Reform but your statement is misleading as it implies they were explicitly banning the flying of the Ukrainian flag. In fact they were banning the flying of all flags except those of England and the UK. Petty and pointless but not specifically targetted against Ukraine.
    What is the main other national flag that is currently being flown? It’s Ukraine’s.
    All flags. Not national flags. Its clearly aimed at the various pride flags.
    Then they could have banned non-national flags. They chose a ban that stopped a lot of flying of the Ukrainian flag.
    And that leaves a couple of questions.

    1 Why choose to draw the line here? Version 1 of the flag ban would have excluded county flags as well, so why reverse ferret on that but not on the Ukrainian flag?

    2 Where is this initiative from? Elected county councillors, or the unelected Zia Yusuf?
  • BattlebusBattlebus Posts: 808

    Last week, my organisation Fairer Finance published a report showing that by 2040, more than half of retirees will need to use their property to maintain their standard of living in later life.

    I’d like to see public information campaigns that start to talk about housing as a key store of wealth that we should be using to help fund retirement. The Government should also look for other ways to incentivise downsizing, such as reducing or even scrapping stamp duty for “last-time” buyers.

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/money/retirement/millions-only-able-retire-cash-in-properties

    Problem is that they don't want to downsize as "they will have nothing left to pass on to next generation". The only time a house is used for retirement is when Care home fees have to be paid. Care homes will force a sale if the debt gets too large. And Dilnot was suggesting the government (ie OPM) is used for anything over £86K.

    There really does need to be a hard-nosed look at all those people who wish to pass on current cost/spending to future generations. The young can only pay (or suffer) so much.
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 38,770

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2025/may/24/posturing-farages-reform-quake-so-far-limited-to-small-acts-of-war-on-woke

    So far Reform's agenda in local government seems to extend no further than taking down the Ukrainian flag - perhaps unsurprising given Farage's past relationship with Russia Today. The comments from the independent Durham councillor at the end of the article seem quite perceptive. I would guess a Reform government would be quite a disappointment to its supporters. Complex problems are not easily fixed by simplistic solutions.

    I fly no flag ;) for Reform but your statement is misleading as it implies they were explicitly banning the flying of the Ukrainian flag. In fact they were banning the flying of all flags except those of England and the UK. Petty and pointless but not specifically targetted against Ukraine.
    What is the main other national flag that is currently being flown? It’s Ukraine’s.
    Palestine and Israel flags sometimes get flown (depending on the Council).
  • StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 10,026

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2025/may/24/posturing-farages-reform-quake-so-far-limited-to-small-acts-of-war-on-woke

    So far Reform's agenda in local government seems to extend no further than taking down the Ukrainian flag - perhaps unsurprising given Farage's past relationship with Russia Today. The comments from the independent Durham councillor at the end of the article seem quite perceptive. I would guess a Reform government would be quite a disappointment to its supporters. Complex problems are not easily fixed by simplistic solutions.

    They are not taking down the Ukrainian flag. They are taking down all flags except the union flag, cross of st. George and county flags.

    I’m not a Reform supporter and will never vote for Farage. But this sort of misrepresentation just pisses me when off. This board relies on accurate information / assessment for people to for their betting judgements.
  • TimSTimS Posts: 15,437
    Cookie said:

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2025/may/24/posturing-farages-reform-quake-so-far-limited-to-small-acts-of-war-on-woke

    So far Reform's agenda in local government seems to extend no further than taking down the Ukrainian flag - perhaps unsurprising given Farage's past relationship with Russia Today. The comments from the independent Durham councillor at the end of the article seem quite perceptive. I would guess a Reform government would be quite a disappointment to its supporters. Complex problems are not easily fixed by simplistic solutions.

    I fly no flag ;) for Reform but your statement is misleading as it implies they were explicitly banning the flying of the Ukrainian flag. In fact they were banning the flying of all flags except those of England and the UK. Petty and pointless but not specifically targetted against Ukraine.
    What is the main other national flag that is currently being flown? It’s Ukraine’s.
    All flags. Not national flags. Its clearly aimed at the various pride flags.
    The Kent council leader was explicit about this being the Ukraine flag

    The new leader of Kent County Council (KCC) has sparked a backlash over plans to remove the Ukraine flag from the chamber.

    Linden Kemkaran made the pledge after she was voted into her new post last Thursday evening, saying the gesture is a “distraction”.


    https://www.kentonline.co.uk/kent/news/bitter-backlash-over-reform-plans-to-remove-flag-from-counci-324209/

    I have no doubt that Reform is both hostile to Ukraine and sympathetic to Putin. They take their lead from Trump.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 54,209

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2025/may/24/posturing-farages-reform-quake-so-far-limited-to-small-acts-of-war-on-woke

    So far Reform's agenda in local government seems to extend no further than taking down the Ukrainian flag - perhaps unsurprising given Farage's past relationship with Russia Today. The comments from the independent Durham councillor at the end of the article seem quite perceptive. I would guess a Reform government would be quite a disappointment to its supporters. Complex problems are not easily fixed by simplistic solutions.

    :innocent:


  • stodgestodge Posts: 14,588
    edited May 24

    Cookie said:

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2025/may/24/posturing-farages-reform-quake-so-far-limited-to-small-acts-of-war-on-woke

    So far Reform's agenda in local government seems to extend no further than taking down the Ukrainian flag - perhaps unsurprising given Farage's past relationship with Russia Today. The comments from the independent Durham councillor at the end of the article seem quite perceptive. I would guess a Reform government would be quite a disappointment to its supporters. Complex problems are not easily fixed by simplistic solutions.

    I fly no flag ;) for Reform but your statement is misleading as it implies they were explicitly banning the flying of the Ukrainian flag. In fact they were banning the flying of all flags except those of England and the UK. Petty and pointless but not specifically targetted against Ukraine.
    What is the main other national flag that is currently being flown? It’s Ukraine’s.
    All flags. Not national flags. Its clearly aimed at the various pride flags.
    Then they could have banned non-national flags. They chose a ban that stopped a lot of flying of the Ukrainian flag.
    There's surprisingly little an incoming administration can do in May. The Budget for the financial year was passed by the preceding administration so it's more about setting the groundwork for the priorities of the new administration so setting up reviews for example.

    Items and reports on the forward plan for future meetings are fixed so if some significant work has been carried out it will still need to be discussed and reviewed even if the new ruling group neither instigated it nor had any involvement. It's rare you get a whole new group come onto the council and win a majority - usually changes of administration occur within the current parties so you would have had previously Opposition councillors on Scrutiny & Oversight Committee so there's an element of continuity.

    Senior officers would have had to spend days bringing the new Reform councillors up to speed with what is the Council is doing via Members' Induction explaining the property portfolio and the various businesses through which the Council operates, the medium term financial plan agreed by the last administration etc, etc.

    There's also the Member-Officer protocols and the Standards Committee. There are set ways by which Members and Officers interact - Members can't storm around the headquarters sounding off about what Officers should and shouldn't be doing. The relationship is far more nuanced.

    Flags are symbolic but nothing more - normally you have the Union flag, the Cross of St George and the Authority flag (if you have a fourth flagpole you can use that for other things). Armed Forces Day is the 28th June so it'll be interesting to see who flies the flag then.
  • TimSTimS Posts: 15,437

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2025/may/24/posturing-farages-reform-quake-so-far-limited-to-small-acts-of-war-on-woke

    So far Reform's agenda in local government seems to extend no further than taking down the Ukrainian flag - perhaps unsurprising given Farage's past relationship with Russia Today. The comments from the independent Durham councillor at the end of the article seem quite perceptive. I would guess a Reform government would be quite a disappointment to its supporters. Complex problems are not easily fixed by simplistic solutions.

    They are not taking down the Ukrainian flag. They are taking down all flags except the union flag, cross of st. George and county flags.

    I’m not a Reform supporter and will never vote for Farage. But this sort of misrepresentation just pisses me when off. This board relies on accurate information / assessment for people to for their betting judgements.
    It’s not misrepresentation, it’s precisely what they are doing.

    Though the other attitude these defences of Reform show is hardly wholesome: “it’s ok they aren’t targeting Ukraine, just the gays”.
  • StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 10,026

    Last week, my organisation Fairer Finance published a report showing that by 2040, more than half of retirees will need to use their property to maintain their standard of living in later life.

    I’d like to see public information campaigns that start to talk about housing as a key store of wealth that we should be using to help fund retirement. The Government should also look for other ways to incentivise downsizing, such as reducing or even scrapping stamp duty for “last-time” buyers.

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/money/retirement/millions-only-able-retire-cash-in-properties

    The better way to do it is to charge capital gains tax on principal properties but to allow the tax base to be rolled over to a new principal property (ie you pay capital gains on the gains you tax out of the market without impacting your ability to buy an equivalent house).

    Then use the proceeds to reduce stamp duty - both at the higher levels (which are a real limitation on transactions) and potentially to advantage downsizing.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 27,293
    Good morning everyone.

    A story about people smuggling via Yachting Marinas, which also has a note about how the shouting about / media focus on small boats may result in over-allocation of resources to that one smallish part of illegal immigration.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c70664266plo
    Yachts easy way to bring in migrants - ex-smuggler
  • Pagan2Pagan2 Posts: 11,520

    Last week, my organisation Fairer Finance published a report showing that by 2040, more than half of retirees will need to use their property to maintain their standard of living in later life.

    I’d like to see public information campaigns that start to talk about housing as a key store of wealth that we should be using to help fund retirement. The Government should also look for other ways to incentivise downsizing, such as reducing or even scrapping stamp duty for “last-time” buyers.

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/money/retirement/millions-only-able-retire-cash-in-properties

    Will be interesting if true, as that means a head on collision between councils grabbing the house to pay for social care and the "financing retirement"
  • StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 10,026

    The EU is already making noises that Starmer’s recent deal with the US broke World Trade Organization rules (which it probably did) and a UK commitment to uphold those rules was written into the EU-UK “reset” deal. Trump detests the WTO and would not be unhappy to see the arrangement collapse, so is unlikely to be swayed by any UK appeals for modification of its current deal to achieve WTO compliance.

    So the UK might yet be forced to decide whether to try to hold on to its gains in its deal with the US even if doing so risks retaliatory measures from the EU

    Lilico - telegraph

    Then they should walk away from the EU deal. It’s a test of resolve. Which Starmer will fail.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 54,209
    DavidL said:

    Happy play off final day.

    Two teams competing for the chance to be relegated next season.

    Happy play off final day.

    Two teams competing for the chance to be relegated next season.

    Surely £100m+?
    Is it just me, or did it use to be the League 2 play-off on Saturday, League 1 on Sunday, and Championship on the Bank Holiday?
  • LeonLeon Posts: 60,977
    Completely understand this polling - on both sides

    If you think the country is totally down the shitter - which it is - then you want radical change. The only “big” parties offering that are Green and Reform. The other three are more-of-the-same uniparty that has driven the UK over a cliff

    And, you have to laugh at the Labour 22%. That’s a lot of bitterly disappointed Labourites
  • AugustusCarp2AugustusCarp2 Posts: 333
    Sean_F said:

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2025/may/24/posturing-farages-reform-quake-so-far-limited-to-small-acts-of-war-on-woke

    So far Reform's agenda in local government seems to extend no further than taking down the Ukrainian flag - perhaps unsurprising given Farage's past relationship with Russia Today. The comments from the independent Durham councillor at the end of the article seem quite perceptive. I would guess a Reform government would be quite a disappointment to its supporters. Complex problems are not easily fixed by simplistic solutions.

    I fly no flag ;) for Reform but your statement is misleading as it implies they were explicitly banning the flying of the Ukrainian flag. In fact they were banning the flying of all flags except those of England and the UK. Petty and pointless but not specifically targetted against Ukraine.
    What is the main other national flag that is currently being flown? It’s Ukraine’s.
    Palestine and Israel flags sometimes get flown (depending on the Council).
    Genuine question, because I really don't know the answer, but has any Council ever flown the Israeli flag (in the absence of a visit from the Israeli Ambassador or similar)? Councils flying the Palestinain flag, probably, but the Israeli flag? I doubt it.
  • StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 10,026

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2025/may/24/posturing-farages-reform-quake-so-far-limited-to-small-acts-of-war-on-woke

    So far Reform's agenda in local government seems to extend no further than taking down the Ukrainian flag - perhaps unsurprising given Farage's past relationship with Russia Today. The comments from the independent Durham councillor at the end of the article seem quite perceptive. I would guess a Reform government would be quite a disappointment to its supporters. Complex problems are not easily fixed by simplistic solutions.

    I fly no flag ;) for Reform but your statement is misleading as it implies they were explicitly banning the flying of the Ukrainian flag. In fact they were banning the flying of all flags except those of England and the UK. Petty and pointless but not specifically targetted against Ukraine.
    What is the main other national flag that is currently being flown? It’s Ukraine’s.
    Honest I suspect it’s more targeted at Pride flags (or whatever the official name is) than anything else
  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 18,695
    Battlebus said:

    Last week, my organisation Fairer Finance published a report showing that by 2040, more than half of retirees will need to use their property to maintain their standard of living in later life.

    I’d like to see public information campaigns that start to talk about housing as a key store of wealth that we should be using to help fund retirement. The Government should also look for other ways to incentivise downsizing, such as reducing or even scrapping stamp duty for “last-time” buyers.

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/money/retirement/millions-only-able-retire-cash-in-properties

    Problem is that they don't want to downsize as "they will have nothing left to pass on to next generation". The only time a house is used for retirement is when Care home fees have to be paid. Care homes will force a sale if the debt gets too large. And Dilnot was suggesting the government (ie OPM) is used for anything over £86K.

    There really does need to be a hard-nosed look at all those people who wish to pass on current cost/spending to future generations. The young can only pay (or suffer) so much.
    See also the Farmer Farago, where inheritance tax is pretty easily avoided by passing the farm on to the next generation well before death.

    None of us enjoys the prospect of impending decrepitude, dependence and broad impotence. The current senior generation seems to be taking it particularly badly, whether that's Biden refusing to shuffle off the stage in good time, or boomers holding on to their money as hard as they can.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 45,314

    Nigelb said:

    These people are insane.
    What they are proposing is to cripple one of America's most profitable companies.

    Blackburn: This is all part of making sure the country is affordable. 80% of all iPhones are made in China currently… This manufacturing needs to come back to the U.S. It is jobs, it is wages..

    Chaffetz: By next year, people will understand that’s part of the America first agenda. So, just eat it

    https://x.com/Acyn/status/1926093453298954288

    Nike isn't going to make trainers in the US either.

    Trump is acting more as a Chinese agent than a Russian one.

    They are not insane, just living in the 1950s and 60s and the textbooks of that time. US manufacturing accounts for 8% of US jobs, they are not particularly desirable and the bigger threat is further automation rather than foreign competition. If they reduced their massive goods deficit to 0, which they can't realistically do, it would only be about 2-3% more jobs and they probably wouldn't be in the locations that need them or done by the people who feel nostalgic about them. Then in a decade or two, automation would take it back down to 8%, and falling, anyway.

    You can't build a future around this.
    These days are ours ...

    https://youtu.be/slvGKU7HF6M
  • AnneJGPAnneJGP Posts: 3,531
    Battlebus said:

    Last week, my organisation Fairer Finance published a report showing that by 2040, more than half of retirees will need to use their property to maintain their standard of living in later life.

    I’d like to see public information campaigns that start to talk about housing as a key store of wealth that we should be using to help fund retirement. The Government should also look for other ways to incentivise downsizing, such as reducing or even scrapping stamp duty for “last-time” buyers.

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/money/retirement/millions-only-able-retire-cash-in-properties

    Problem is that they don't want to downsize as "they will have nothing left to pass on to next generation". The only time a house is used for retirement is when Care home fees have to be paid. Care homes will force a sale if the debt gets too large. And Dilnot was suggesting the government (ie OPM) is used for anything over £86K.

    There really does need to be a hard-nosed look at all those people who wish to pass on current cost/spending to future generations. The young can only pay (or suffer) so much.
    I believe quite a few retired people use equity withdrawal to fund their expenses.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 60,977

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2025/may/24/posturing-farages-reform-quake-so-far-limited-to-small-acts-of-war-on-woke

    So far Reform's agenda in local government seems to extend no further than taking down the Ukrainian flag - perhaps unsurprising given Farage's past relationship with Russia Today. The comments from the independent Durham councillor at the end of the article seem quite perceptive. I would guess a Reform government would be quite a disappointment to its supporters. Complex problems are not easily fixed by simplistic solutions.

    I fly no flag ;) for Reform but your statement is misleading as it implies they were explicitly banning the flying of the Ukrainian flag. In fact they were banning the flying of all flags except those of England and the UK. Petty and pointless but not specifically targetted against Ukraine.
    What is the main other national flag that is currently being flown? It’s Ukraine’s.
    Honest I suspect it’s more targeted at Pride flags (or whatever the official name is) than anything else
    Ultimately it’s probably aimed at Palestinian flags
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 38,770
    edited May 24

    Sean_F said:

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2025/may/24/posturing-farages-reform-quake-so-far-limited-to-small-acts-of-war-on-woke

    So far Reform's agenda in local government seems to extend no further than taking down the Ukrainian flag - perhaps unsurprising given Farage's past relationship with Russia Today. The comments from the independent Durham councillor at the end of the article seem quite perceptive. I would guess a Reform government would be quite a disappointment to its supporters. Complex problems are not easily fixed by simplistic solutions.

    I fly no flag ;) for Reform but your statement is misleading as it implies they were explicitly banning the flying of the Ukrainian flag. In fact they were banning the flying of all flags except those of England and the UK. Petty and pointless but not specifically targetted against Ukraine.
    What is the main other national flag that is currently being flown? It’s Ukraine’s.
    Palestine and Israel flags sometimes get flown (depending on the Council).
    Genuine question, because I really don't know the answer, but has any Council ever flown the Israeli flag (in the absence of a visit from the Israeli Ambassador or similar)? Councils flying the Palestinain flag, probably, but the Israeli flag? I doubt it.
    Hertsmere has flown in the Israeli flag. So have Sheffield, and Barnet.
  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 18,695

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2025/may/24/posturing-farages-reform-quake-so-far-limited-to-small-acts-of-war-on-woke

    So far Reform's agenda in local government seems to extend no further than taking down the Ukrainian flag - perhaps unsurprising given Farage's past relationship with Russia Today. The comments from the independent Durham councillor at the end of the article seem quite perceptive. I would guess a Reform government would be quite a disappointment to its supporters. Complex problems are not easily fixed by simplistic solutions.

    I fly no flag ;) for Reform but your statement is misleading as it implies they were explicitly banning the flying of the Ukrainian flag. In fact they were banning the flying of all flags except those of England and the UK. Petty and pointless but not specifically targetted against Ukraine.
    What is the main other national flag that is currently being flown? It’s Ukraine’s.
    Honest I suspect it’s more targeted at Pride flags (or whatever the official name is) than anything else
    Though if that were the aim, it would have been easy to draw the line somewhere else.

    So, either Reform are dim, or they really don't want to fly the Ukrainian flag from their poles. Or, if I were being really provocative, the Pride flag is a MacGuffin; a loud ban on woke Pride flags to sneak in a quiet ban on Ukrainian flags.
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 34,776
    MattW said:

    Good morning everyone.

    A story about people smuggling via Yachting Marinas, which also has a note about how the shouting about / media focus on small boats may result in over-allocation of resources to that one smallish part of illegal immigration.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c70664266plo
    Yachts easy way to bring in migrants - ex-smuggler

    As one who, at one time in his life, used to sometimes visit Yachting Marinas, I can well believe it.

    I won’t post Good Morning today because it isn’t!
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 44,256

    The EU is already making noises that Starmer’s recent deal with the US broke World Trade Organization rules (which it probably did) and a UK commitment to uphold those rules was written into the EU-UK “reset” deal. Trump detests the WTO and would not be unhappy to see the arrangement collapse, so is unlikely to be swayed by any UK appeals for modification of its current deal to achieve WTO compliance.

    So the UK might yet be forced to decide whether to try to hold on to its gains in its deal with the US even if doing so risks retaliatory measures from the EU

    Lilico - telegraph

    Then they should walk away from the EU deal. It’s a test of resolve. Which Starmer will fail.
    Bollox, the few pages of crap agreed with Trump are worth feck all. Our future is with Europe not the dastardly USA.
  • stodgestodge Posts: 14,588

    Sean_F said:

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2025/may/24/posturing-farages-reform-quake-so-far-limited-to-small-acts-of-war-on-woke

    So far Reform's agenda in local government seems to extend no further than taking down the Ukrainian flag - perhaps unsurprising given Farage's past relationship with Russia Today. The comments from the independent Durham councillor at the end of the article seem quite perceptive. I would guess a Reform government would be quite a disappointment to its supporters. Complex problems are not easily fixed by simplistic solutions.

    I fly no flag ;) for Reform but your statement is misleading as it implies they were explicitly banning the flying of the Ukrainian flag. In fact they were banning the flying of all flags except those of England and the UK. Petty and pointless but not specifically targetted against Ukraine.
    What is the main other national flag that is currently being flown? It’s Ukraine’s.
    Palestine and Israel flags sometimes get flown (depending on the Council).
    Genuine question, because I really don't know the answer, but has any Council ever flown the Israeli flag (in the absence of a visit from the Israeli Ambassador or similar)? Councils flying the Palestinain flag, probably, but the Israeli flag? I doubt it.
    There was an instruction sent from MHCLG in the immediate aftermath of the HAMAS attack on Israel on October 7th 2023 recommending all Councils fly the Israeli flag as a mark of sympathy for those killed and abducted.

    The problem was very few Councils had an Israeli flag and those who didn't and tried to get hold of one had huge problems as there was a huge demand (understandably). The instruction was withdrawn some days later so to answer your question some might well have flown the Israeli flag, most didn't.

    As for the Palestinian flag, I don't recall an instruction about that. I don't think even Newham flew the Palestinian flag though there were plenty on lamp posts in the more Muslim Wards but not I think on Council buildings. Newham mostly flies the Union flag, its own flag and does on special occasion fly other flags. When I go past the Town Hall today, I'll see what's flying currently.
  • Richard_TyndallRichard_Tyndall Posts: 33,326
    TimS said:

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2025/may/24/posturing-farages-reform-quake-so-far-limited-to-small-acts-of-war-on-woke

    So far Reform's agenda in local government seems to extend no further than taking down the Ukrainian flag - perhaps unsurprising given Farage's past relationship with Russia Today. The comments from the independent Durham councillor at the end of the article seem quite perceptive. I would guess a Reform government would be quite a disappointment to its supporters. Complex problems are not easily fixed by simplistic solutions.

    They are not taking down the Ukrainian flag. They are taking down all flags except the union flag, cross of st. George and county flags.

    I’m not a Reform supporter and will never vote for Farage. But this sort of misrepresentation just pisses me when off. This board relies on accurate information / assessment for people to for their betting judgements.
    It’s not misrepresentation, it’s precisely what they are doing.

    Though the other attitude these defences of Reform show is hardly wholesome: “it’s ok they aren’t targeting Ukraine, just the gays”.
    Said absolutely no one on here.
  • StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 10,026

    Cookie said:

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2025/may/24/posturing-farages-reform-quake-so-far-limited-to-small-acts-of-war-on-woke

    So far Reform's agenda in local government seems to extend no further than taking down the Ukrainian flag - perhaps unsurprising given Farage's past relationship with Russia Today. The comments from the independent Durham councillor at the end of the article seem quite perceptive. I would guess a Reform government would be quite a disappointment to its supporters. Complex problems are not easily fixed by simplistic solutions.

    I fly no flag ;) for Reform but your statement is misleading as it implies they were explicitly banning the flying of the Ukrainian flag. In fact they were banning the flying of all flags except those of England and the UK. Petty and pointless but not specifically targetted against Ukraine.
    What is the main other national flag that is currently being flown? It’s Ukraine’s.
    All flags. Not national flags. Its clearly aimed at the various pride flags.
    Then they could have banned non-national
    flags. They chose a ban that stopped a lot of flying of the Ukrainian flag.
    Then they get into an argument on homophobia.

    At the moment they have achieved their objective (being homophobic) but their opponents are calling them pro-Russian which seems to have little salience with the ordinary voter.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 51,714

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2025/may/24/posturing-farages-reform-quake-so-far-limited-to-small-acts-of-war-on-woke

    So far Reform's agenda in local government seems to extend no further than taking down the Ukrainian flag - perhaps unsurprising given Farage's past relationship with Russia Today. The comments from the independent Durham councillor at the end of the article seem quite perceptive. I would guess a Reform government would be quite a disappointment to its supporters. Complex problems are not easily fixed by simplistic solutions.

    They are not taking down the Ukrainian flag. They are taking down all flags except the union flag, cross of st. George and county flags.

    I’m not a Reform supporter and will never vote for Farage. But this sort of misrepresentation just pisses me when off. This board relies on accurate information / assessment for people to for their betting judgements.
    Similar in Trumpistan.

    The US Government banned all flags apart from the Stars and Stripes, State and City flags.

    So the Mayor of Salt Lake City* made the Pride flag the City flag (by adding a beehive, the state symbol) and the council unanimously confirmed it.

    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/may/07/salt-lake-city-boise-pride-flags?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Other

    *slightly surprised for it to be SLC, but America has lots of blue spots even in the reddest states.
  • StereodogStereodog Posts: 920
    TimS said:

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2025/may/24/posturing-farages-reform-quake-so-far-limited-to-small-acts-of-war-on-woke

    So far Reform's agenda in local government seems to extend no further than taking down the Ukrainian flag - perhaps unsurprising given Farage's past relationship with Russia Today. The comments from the independent Durham councillor at the end of the article seem quite perceptive. I would guess a Reform government would be quite a disappointment to its supporters. Complex problems are not easily fixed by simplistic solutions.

    They are not taking down the Ukrainian flag. They are taking down all flags except the union flag, cross of st. George and county flags.

    I’m not a Reform supporter and will never vote for Farage. But this sort of misrepresentation just pisses me when off. This board relies on accurate information / assessment for people to for their betting judgements.
    It’s not misrepresentation, it’s precisely what they are doing.

    Though the other attitude these defences of Reform show is hardly wholesome: “it’s ok they aren’t targeting Ukraine, just the gays”.
    Although I despise Reform's 'war on woke', as a gay man, I find companies and institutions flying the Pride flag all the time quite irritating. It's meaningless virtue signalling. Fly it during Pride week if you must although don't bother if you're an unlovely multinational who thinks that not being homophobic will score you some easy publicity points.
  • AugustusCarp2AugustusCarp2 Posts: 333
    Sean_F said:

    Sean_F said:

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2025/may/24/posturing-farages-reform-quake-so-far-limited-to-small-acts-of-war-on-woke

    So far Reform's agenda in local government seems to extend no further than taking down the Ukrainian flag - perhaps unsurprising given Farage's past relationship with Russia Today. The comments from the independent Durham councillor at the end of the article seem quite perceptive. I would guess a Reform government would be quite a disappointment to its supporters. Complex problems are not easily fixed by simplistic solutions.

    I fly no flag ;) for Reform but your statement is misleading as it implies they were explicitly banning the flying of the Ukrainian flag. In fact they were banning the flying of all flags except those of England and the UK. Petty and pointless but not specifically targetted against Ukraine.
    What is the main other national flag that is currently being flown? It’s Ukraine’s.
    Palestine and Israel flags sometimes get flown (depending on the Council).
    Genuine question, because I really don't know the answer, but has any Council ever flown the Israeli flag (in the absence of a visit from the Israeli Ambassador or similar)? Councils flying the Palestinain flag, probably, but the Israeli flag? I doubt it.
    Hertsmere has flown in the Israeli flag. So have Sheffield, and Barnet.
    Thanks Sean. I suppose the question now is "I wonder why?"
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 18,908
    MattW said:

    A legal case for indirect discrimination against Kent County Council for failure to provide subtitles for hearing impaired people on their streamed and recorded Council meetings:

    https://shepwayvox.org/2025/05/23/reform-led-kent-council-under-fire-for-excluding-deaf-residents-from-democracy/

    It has good commentary, and has a neat summary of indirect discrimination:

    "Legal experts now argue this is a textbook case of indirect discrimination under Section 19 of the Act: a seemingly neutral practice—streaming without subtitles—that puts disabled people at a clear disadvantage, without objective justification."

    That's a good example of why the Equality Act 2010 is massively important, (never mind definitions of woman :smile: ). No subtitles excludes (RNID estimate) 90k people from the democratic process. The case sounds to me like a slam dunk, and I expect the Council to wibble or obfuscate furiously then back down.

    This is I think a continuing case, not related to Reform UK now leading Kent Council.

    Can they not just use a really simple sound to text service? Zoom provides a transcript on meetings. Surely doesn’t need to be expensive.
  • Richard_TyndallRichard_Tyndall Posts: 33,326

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2025/may/24/posturing-farages-reform-quake-so-far-limited-to-small-acts-of-war-on-woke

    So far Reform's agenda in local government seems to extend no further than taking down the Ukrainian flag - perhaps unsurprising given Farage's past relationship with Russia Today. The comments from the independent Durham councillor at the end of the article seem quite perceptive. I would guess a Reform government would be quite a disappointment to its supporters. Complex problems are not easily fixed by simplistic solutions.

    I fly no flag ;) for Reform but your statement is misleading as it implies they were explicitly banning the flying of the Ukrainian flag. In fact they were banning the flying of all flags except those of England and the UK. Petty and pointless but not specifically targetted against Ukraine.
    Ironically, the Durham county flag is the same two colours as the Ukrainian flag.
    Sounds like a perfect way around the stupid rules.
  • EabhalEabhal Posts: 10,643

    It was obviously going to be wet, windy and cold today, as my son is getting married, in an outdoor ceremony.
    Huge panic as winter clothes are being retrieved from the loft.

    I'm also off to a wedding on the first rainy day since February.
  • Northern_AlNorthern_Al Posts: 8,841

    It was obviously going to be wet, windy and cold today, as my son is getting married, in an outdoor ceremony.
    Huge panic as winter clothes are being retrieved from the loft.

    Regardless of the weather, I'm sure you'll all have a wonderful day.
    Thanks - we will.
  • AugustusCarp2AugustusCarp2 Posts: 333
    stodge said:

    Sean_F said:

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2025/may/24/posturing-farages-reform-quake-so-far-limited-to-small-acts-of-war-on-woke

    So far Reform's agenda in local government seems to extend no further than taking down the Ukrainian flag - perhaps unsurprising given Farage's past relationship with Russia Today. The comments from the independent Durham councillor at the end of the article seem quite perceptive. I would guess a Reform government would be quite a disappointment to its supporters. Complex problems are not easily fixed by simplistic solutions.

    I fly no flag ;) for Reform but your statement is misleading as it implies they were explicitly banning the flying of the Ukrainian flag. In fact they were banning the flying of all flags except those of England and the UK. Petty and pointless but not specifically targetted against Ukraine.
    What is the main other national flag that is currently being flown? It’s Ukraine’s.
    Palestine and Israel flags sometimes get flown (depending on the Council).
    Genuine question, because I really don't know the answer, but has any Council ever flown the Israeli flag (in the absence of a visit from the Israeli Ambassador or similar)? Councils flying the Palestinain flag, probably, but the Israeli flag? I doubt it.
    There was an instruction sent from MHCLG in the immediate aftermath of the HAMAS attack on Israel on October 7th 2023 recommending all Councils fly the Israeli flag as a mark of sympathy for those killed and abducted.

    The problem was very few Councils had an Israeli flag and those who didn't and tried to get hold of one had huge problems as there was a huge demand (understandably). The instruction was withdrawn some days later so to answer your question some might well have flown the Israeli flag, most didn't.

    As for the Palestinian flag, I don't recall an instruction about that. I don't think even Newham flew the Palestinian flag though there were plenty on lamp posts in the more Muslim Wards but not I think on Council buildings. Newham mostly flies the Union flag, its own flag and does on special occasion fly other flags. When I go past the Town Hall today, I'll see what's flying currently.
    Stodge, that's fascinating! Thanks very much indeed for the context.
  • StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 10,026
    TimS said:

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2025/may/24/posturing-farages-reform-quake-so-far-limited-to-small-acts-of-war-on-woke

    So far Reform's agenda in local government seems to extend no further than taking down the Ukrainian flag - perhaps unsurprising given Farage's past relationship with Russia Today. The comments from the independent Durham councillor at the end of the article seem quite perceptive. I would guess a Reform government would be quite a disappointment to its supporters. Complex problems are not easily fixed by simplistic solutions.

    They are not taking down the Ukrainian flag. They are taking down all flags except the union flag, cross of st. George and county flags.

    I’m not a Reform supporter and will never vote for Farage. But this sort of misrepresentation just pisses me when off. This board relies on accurate information / assessment for people to for their betting judgements.
    It’s not misrepresentation, it’s precisely what they are doing.

    Though the other attitude these defences of Reform show is hardly wholesome: “it’s ok
    they aren’t targeting Ukraine, just the gays”.
    No it’s misrepresentation by limitation.

    It suggests their motive is purely anti-Ukrainian which it isn’t. There’s a whole lot of nastiness going on 😉
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 22,917
    Stereodog said:

    TimS said:

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2025/may/24/posturing-farages-reform-quake-so-far-limited-to-small-acts-of-war-on-woke

    So far Reform's agenda in local government seems to extend no further than taking down the Ukrainian flag - perhaps unsurprising given Farage's past relationship with Russia Today. The comments from the independent Durham councillor at the end of the article seem quite perceptive. I would guess a Reform government would be quite a disappointment to its supporters. Complex problems are not easily fixed by simplistic solutions.

    They are not taking down the Ukrainian flag. They are taking down all flags except the union flag, cross of st. George and county flags.

    I’m not a Reform supporter and will never vote for Farage. But this sort of misrepresentation just pisses me when off. This board relies on accurate information / assessment for people to for their betting judgements.
    It’s not misrepresentation, it’s precisely what they are doing.

    Though the other attitude these defences of Reform show is hardly wholesome: “it’s ok they aren’t targeting Ukraine, just the gays”.
    Although I despise Reform's 'war on woke', as a gay man, I find companies and institutions flying the Pride flag all the time quite irritating. It's meaningless virtue signalling. Fly it during Pride week if you must although don't bother if you're an unlovely multinational who thinks that not being homophobic will score you some easy publicity points.
    And especially when the company happily does business in countries where being gay will see you imprisoned, or worse.
  • StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 10,026
    edited May 24
    Leon said:

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2025/may/24/posturing-farages-reform-quake-so-far-limited-to-small-acts-of-war-on-woke

    So far Reform's agenda in local government seems to extend no further than taking down the Ukrainian flag - perhaps unsurprising given Farage's past relationship with Russia Today. The comments from the independent Durham councillor at the end of the article seem quite perceptive. I would guess a Reform government would be quite a disappointment to its supporters. Complex problems are not easily fixed by simplistic solutions.

    I fly no flag ;) for Reform but your statement is misleading as it implies they were explicitly banning the flying of the Ukrainian flag. In fact they were banning the flying of all flags except those of England and the UK. Petty and pointless but not specifically targetted against Ukraine.
    What is the main other national flag that is currently being flown? It’s Ukraine’s.
    Honest I suspect it’s more targeted at Pride flags (or whatever the official name is) than anything else
    Ultimately it’s probably aimed at Palestinian
    flags
    They are equal opportunity bigots

    Edit: I don’t have an issue with councils flying flags on specific days. But as a general rules they shouldn’t fly more than the main 3 all the time
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 45,314

    It was obviously going to be wet, windy and cold today, as my son is getting married, in an outdoor ceremony.
    Huge panic as winter clothes are being retrieved from the loft.

    All good - rain is romantic :smile:

    https://youtu.be/gJJmDzVXCx8
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 54,707

    DavidL said:

    Something weird has happened overnight. The ground is wet, the burn a little fuller, the grass has gone greener. Has it rained? I thought that was only mythology now.

    Its half-term and a Bank Holiday weekend, so that means it is going to rain every day now for the next week.
    Good! Keep the noisy smelly oiks indoors so I can walk the dogs in peace.
    But without the oiks, what will the dogs hunt?
  • StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 10,026
    Foxy said:

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2025/may/24/posturing-farages-reform-quake-so-far-limited-to-small-acts-of-war-on-woke

    So far Reform's agenda in local government seems to extend no further than taking down the Ukrainian flag - perhaps unsurprising given Farage's past relationship with Russia Today. The comments from the independent Durham councillor at the end of the article seem quite perceptive. I would guess a Reform government would be quite a disappointment to its supporters. Complex problems are not easily fixed by simplistic solutions.

    They are not taking down the Ukrainian flag. They are taking down all flags except the union flag, cross of st. George and county flags.

    I’m not a Reform supporter and will never vote for Farage. But this sort of misrepresentation just pisses me when off. This board relies on accurate information / assessment for people to for their betting judgements.
    Similar in Trumpistan.

    The US Government banned all flags apart from the Stars and Stripes, State and City flags.

    So the Mayor of Salt Lake City* made the Pride flag the City flag (by adding a beehive, the state symbol) and the council unanimously confirmed it.

    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/may/07/salt-lake-city-boise-pride-flags?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Other

    *slightly surprised for it to be SLC, but America has lots of blue spots even in the reddest states.
    Seems a bit silly to go to that much effort, but whatever.
  • EabhalEabhal Posts: 10,643
    TimS said:

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2025/may/24/posturing-farages-reform-quake-so-far-limited-to-small-acts-of-war-on-woke

    So far Reform's agenda in local government seems to extend no further than taking down the Ukrainian flag - perhaps unsurprising given Farage's past relationship with Russia Today. The comments from the independent Durham councillor at the end of the article seem quite perceptive. I would guess a Reform government would be quite a disappointment to its supporters. Complex problems are not easily fixed by simplistic solutions.

    They are not taking down the Ukrainian flag. They are taking down all flags except the union flag, cross of st. George and county flags.

    I’m not a Reform supporter and will never vote for Farage. But this sort of misrepresentation just pisses me when off. This board relies on accurate information / assessment for people to for their betting judgements.
    It’s not misrepresentation, it’s precisely what they are doing.

    Though the other attitude these defences of Reform show is hardly wholesome: “it’s ok they aren’t targeting Ukraine, just the gays”.
    Just how credulous can you be? The ultimate flag-shaggers suddenly have a strop about people flying some flags.

    It can only be interpreted as opposition to those movements that are currently represented by flags. The Ukrainian flag is a common symbol of support for Ukraine (my local church flies it); not making an exception for it is all the evidence you need.
  • FF43FF43 Posts: 18,005
    edited May 24

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2025/may/24/posturing-farages-reform-quake-so-far-limited-to-small-acts-of-war-on-woke

    So far Reform's agenda in local government seems to extend no further than taking down the Ukrainian flag - perhaps unsurprising given Farage's past relationship with Russia Today. The comments from the independent Durham councillor at the end of the article seem quite perceptive. I would guess a Reform government would be quite a disappointment to its supporters. Complex problems are not easily fixed by simplistic solutions.

    They are not taking down the Ukrainian flag. They are taking down all flags except the union flag, cross of st. George and county flags.

    I’m not a Reform supporter and will never vote for Farage. But this sort of misrepresentation just pisses me when off. This board relies on accurate information / assessment for people to for their betting judgements.
    Given per the article the only flag taken down so far has been the Ukrainian one, possibly you are misrepresenting them.
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 18,908

    DavidL said:

    Something weird has happened overnight. The ground is wet, the burn a little fuller, the grass has gone greener. Has it rained? I thought that was only mythology now.

    Its half-term and a Bank Holiday weekend, so that means it is going to rain every day now for the next week.
    Good! Keep the noisy smelly oiks indoors so I can walk the dogs in peace.
    But without the oiks, what will the dogs hunt?
    Purge
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 18,908
    kinabalu said:

    It was obviously going to be wet, windy and cold today, as my son is getting married, in an outdoor ceremony.
    Huge panic as winter clothes are being retrieved from the loft.

    All good - rain is romantic :smile:

    https://youtu.be/gJJmDzVXCx8
    To a point. My parents wedding in October 1963 was so wet and windy they reconvened week later to do the photos.
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 43,658

    Sean_F said:

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2025/may/24/posturing-farages-reform-quake-so-far-limited-to-small-acts-of-war-on-woke

    So far Reform's agenda in local government seems to extend no further than taking down the Ukrainian flag - perhaps unsurprising given Farage's past relationship with Russia Today. The comments from the independent Durham councillor at the end of the article seem quite perceptive. I would guess a Reform government would be quite a disappointment to its supporters. Complex problems are not easily fixed by simplistic solutions.

    I fly no flag ;) for Reform but your statement is misleading as it implies they were explicitly banning the flying of the Ukrainian flag. In fact they were banning the flying of all flags except those of England and the UK. Petty and pointless but not specifically targetted against Ukraine.
    What is the main other national flag that is currently being flown? It’s Ukraine’s.
    Palestine and Israel flags sometimes get flown (depending on the Council).
    Genuine question, because I really don't know the answer, but has any Council ever flown the Israeli flag (in the absence of a visit from the Israeli Ambassador or similar)? Councils flying the Palestinain flag, probably, but the Israeli flag? I doubt it.
    A few.

    https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-d&q=israeli+flag+flown+at+council+building

    This will never be bettered though.


  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 54,707
    MattW said:

    Good morning everyone.

    A story about people smuggling via Yachting Marinas, which also has a note about how the shouting about / media focus on small boats may result in over-allocation of resources to that one smallish part of illegal immigration.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c70664266plo
    Yachts easy way to bring in migrants - ex-smuggler

    Wow, they have discovered yacht smuggling.

    I mean, The Ship That Died of Shame was only published in 1952.

    Whisper about private aircraft. There are basically no checks there, either.

    Maybe they will get to visa sales, eventually. That’s where the real business is - best money.
  • AnneJGPAnneJGP Posts: 3,531

    It was obviously going to be wet, windy and cold today, as my son is getting married, in an outdoor ceremony.
    Huge panic as winter clothes are being retrieved from the loft.

    All good wishes to the happy couple, and I'm sure you will all have memories to treasure from today.
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