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  • LeonLeon Posts: 60,959
    Pagan2 said:

    Leon said:

    Fuck, this is how you end up moving back, isn't it?

    A couple of songs. Fierce family memories. Sadness yet happiness. Something unplaceable dragging at you, like an undertow, like some emotional gravity, surging from nowhere

    I AD HER I AD HER I DID

    Nothing wrong with moving back already got my pyre booked for when I go
    Sure. But I’ve never felt like it might actually happen until - literally - about half an hour ago

    This is a very new feeling. Maybe passing

    Those songs are very powerful
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 51,555
    Pagan2 said:

    IanB2 said:


    Pagan2 said:

    Leon said:

    Pagan2 said:

    Leon said:

    Pagan2 said:

    Pagan2 said:

    Leon said:

    Pagan2 said:

    Leon said:

    Pagan2 said:

    carnforth said:
    Quote from one of your links showing leon talking bollocks

    "Cornish became extinct as a living community language in Cornwall by the end of the 18th century, although knowledge of Cornish, including speaking ability to a certain extent, persisted within some families and individuals.[12] "
    As I said before when we discussed this, if your family genuinely did speak a native version of Cornish until your mother's generation, that is a fantastical survival. Truly!

    I find it hard to believe just because it would be so exceptional, but I don't rule it out (not that you should care for my opinion, I am just making it plain)

    Indeed, I would love your story to be true! People speaking native Cornish at home into the 20th century would be sensational news for anyone with a love of linguistics. So, I hope it is true
    Sadly never really learned it as my parents moved to the foreign lands of padstow
    Warleggan would be a brilliant place for it to survive - it is indeed remote, brooding and strange, up on the moor

    It was a good choice for the villain's name in Poldark

    Did you live there as a tot? Do you remember it? Even now Bodmin Moor is quite freaky
    My parents moved to padstow before I was born but some of the tales about warleggan they told me were odd like the priest populating his church with cardboard cutouts
    Sounds suitably atmospheric. The essence of Cornwall is more of a mystery to most people than much of the rest of Britain.
    When you transit from devon to cornwall even the scenery changes, you switch from the sedimentary sandstone lands to the much more sharp lands of igneous granite. I cant explain why but it lifts my spirit to go home in a way devon doesn't even though they are probably equally green
    Poorer yet prettier, sadder yet happier. As soon as you cross the Tamar, from the lushness of Devon

    When I was a lad in Hereford we always used to take our holidays with the fam in Cornwall (usually my Auntie Iris in Carnkie), My God that was a long drive in the 1970s. Hours and hours. As we passed each county my Mum and Dad would sing a song for each one, something about Somerset, then "Devon Glorious Devon"

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_oQMZV-8p5Y

    Then finally we would reach the Tamar and the whole car would launch into Trelawny as we made it into Cornwall

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ere9fNgSGe8

    Ah, feck, I'm about to start crying. I'd better go to the shops

    Tune in again tomorrow to These Cornish Memories, Part 739
    may I offer
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M0I9_mTX0lg

    And of course this. My Dad came to love this, in his final few years

    During family get togethers we all used to wear hats around the kitchen table in Truro (no idea why, a weird tradition) and we'd belt this out.

    https://youtu.be/FNCcSJiZR1I?si=dbc3UETcyHSR0Wfz

    And then we'd sing Coming Up Camborne Hill, Coming Down


    WHITE STOCKINGS, WHITE STOCKINGS SHE WORE
    Fishermans friends were a great cornish export just saying
    Fisherman friends are from lancs
    That's the mints. The band and film are from the small town just around the headland to the left from my photo above.
    From 5 miles from where I grew up I fished on trawlers with a couple
    Nowadays the town is almost entirely second homes and AirBnBs, with the residents having cashed in and bought unattractive modern bungalows in the 'back settlement' inland, over the hill.
  • BlancheLivermoreBlancheLivermore Posts: 6,384
    edited May 20
    Pagan2 said:

    IanB2 said:


    Pagan2 said:

    Leon said:

    Pagan2 said:

    Leon said:

    Pagan2 said:

    Pagan2 said:

    Leon said:

    Pagan2 said:

    Leon said:

    Pagan2 said:

    carnforth said:
    Quote from one of your links showing leon talking bollocks

    "Cornish became extinct as a living community language in Cornwall by the end of the 18th century, although knowledge of Cornish, including speaking ability to a certain extent, persisted within some families and individuals.[12] "
    As I said before when we discussed this, if your family genuinely did speak a native version of Cornish until your mother's generation, that is a fantastical survival. Truly!

    I find it hard to believe just because it would be so exceptional, but I don't rule it out (not that you should care for my opinion, I am just making it plain)

    Indeed, I would love your story to be true! People speaking native Cornish at home into the 20th century would be sensational news for anyone with a love of linguistics. So, I hope it is true
    Sadly never really learned it as my parents moved to the foreign lands of padstow
    Warleggan would be a brilliant place for it to survive - it is indeed remote, brooding and strange, up on the moor

    It was a good choice for the villain's name in Poldark

    Did you live there as a tot? Do you remember it? Even now Bodmin Moor is quite freaky
    My parents moved to padstow before I was born but some of the tales about warleggan they told me were odd like the priest populating his church with cardboard cutouts
    Sounds suitably atmospheric. The essence of Cornwall is more of a mystery to most people than much of the rest of Britain.
    When you transit from devon to cornwall even the scenery changes, you switch from the sedimentary sandstone lands to the much more sharp lands of igneous granite. I cant explain why but it lifts my spirit to go home in a way devon doesn't even though they are probably equally green
    Poorer yet prettier, sadder yet happier. As soon as you cross the Tamar, from the lushness of Devon

    When I was a lad in Hereford we always used to take our holidays with the fam in Cornwall (usually my Auntie Iris in Carnkie), My God that was a long drive in the 1970s. Hours and hours. As we passed each county my Mum and Dad would sing a song for each one, something about Somerset, then "Devon Glorious Devon"

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_oQMZV-8p5Y

    Then finally we would reach the Tamar and the whole car would launch into Trelawny as we made it into Cornwall

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ere9fNgSGe8

    Ah, feck, I'm about to start crying. I'd better go to the shops

    Tune in again tomorrow to These Cornish Memories, Part 739
    may I offer
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M0I9_mTX0lg

    And of course this. My Dad came to love this, in his final few years

    During family get togethers we all used to wear hats around the kitchen table in Truro (no idea why, a weird tradition) and we'd belt this out.

    https://youtu.be/FNCcSJiZR1I?si=dbc3UETcyHSR0Wfz

    And then we'd sing Coming Up Camborne Hill, Coming Down


    WHITE STOCKINGS, WHITE STOCKINGS SHE WORE
    Fishermans friends were a great cornish export just saying
    Fisherman friends are from lancs
    That's the mints. The band and film are from the small town just around the headland to the left from my photo above.
    From 5 miles from where I grew up I fished on trawlers with a couple
    Is that a euphemism for a Nick Palmer style story?
  • Pagan2Pagan2 Posts: 11,519
    Leon said:

    Pagan2 said:

    Leon said:

    Fuck, this is how you end up moving back, isn't it?

    A couple of songs. Fierce family memories. Sadness yet happiness. Something unplaceable dragging at you, like an undertow, like some emotional gravity, surging from nowhere

    I AD HER I AD HER I DID

    Nothing wrong with moving back already got my pyre booked for when I go
    Sure. But I’ve never felt like it might actually happen until - literally - about half an hour ago

    This is a very new feeling. Maybe passing

    Those songs are very powerful
    Death always comes one day, all we can do is make sure while we were here we helped where we could and lived our best lives before she calls us home
  • Pagan2Pagan2 Posts: 11,519

    Pagan2 said:

    IanB2 said:


    Pagan2 said:

    Leon said:

    Pagan2 said:

    Leon said:

    Pagan2 said:

    Pagan2 said:

    Leon said:

    Pagan2 said:

    Leon said:

    Pagan2 said:

    carnforth said:
    Quote from one of your links showing leon talking bollocks

    "Cornish became extinct as a living community language in Cornwall by the end of the 18th century, although knowledge of Cornish, including speaking ability to a certain extent, persisted within some families and individuals.[12] "
    As I said before when we discussed this, if your family genuinely did speak a native version of Cornish until your mother's generation, that is a fantastical survival. Truly!

    I find it hard to believe just because it would be so exceptional, but I don't rule it out (not that you should care for my opinion, I am just making it plain)

    Indeed, I would love your story to be true! People speaking native Cornish at home into the 20th century would be sensational news for anyone with a love of linguistics. So, I hope it is true
    Sadly never really learned it as my parents moved to the foreign lands of padstow
    Warleggan would be a brilliant place for it to survive - it is indeed remote, brooding and strange, up on the moor

    It was a good choice for the villain's name in Poldark

    Did you live there as a tot? Do you remember it? Even now Bodmin Moor is quite freaky
    My parents moved to padstow before I was born but some of the tales about warleggan they told me were odd like the priest populating his church with cardboard cutouts
    Sounds suitably atmospheric. The essence of Cornwall is more of a mystery to most people than much of the rest of Britain.
    When you transit from devon to cornwall even the scenery changes, you switch from the sedimentary sandstone lands to the much more sharp lands of igneous granite. I cant explain why but it lifts my spirit to go home in a way devon doesn't even though they are probably equally green
    Poorer yet prettier, sadder yet happier. As soon as you cross the Tamar, from the lushness of Devon

    When I was a lad in Hereford we always used to take our holidays with the fam in Cornwall (usually my Auntie Iris in Carnkie), My God that was a long drive in the 1970s. Hours and hours. As we passed each county my Mum and Dad would sing a song for each one, something about Somerset, then "Devon Glorious Devon"

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_oQMZV-8p5Y

    Then finally we would reach the Tamar and the whole car would launch into Trelawny as we made it into Cornwall

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ere9fNgSGe8

    Ah, feck, I'm about to start crying. I'd better go to the shops

    Tune in again tomorrow to These Cornish Memories, Part 739
    may I offer
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M0I9_mTX0lg

    And of course this. My Dad came to love this, in his final few years

    During family get togethers we all used to wear hats around the kitchen table in Truro (no idea why, a weird tradition) and we'd belt this out.

    https://youtu.be/FNCcSJiZR1I?si=dbc3UETcyHSR0Wfz

    And then we'd sing Coming Up Camborne Hill, Coming Down


    WHITE STOCKINGS, WHITE STOCKINGS SHE WORE
    Fishermans friends were a great cornish export just saying
    Fisherman friends are from lancs
    That's the mints. The band and film are from the small town just around the headland to the left from my photo above.
    From 5 miles from where I grew up I fished on trawlers with a couple
    Is that a euphemism for a Nick Palmer style story?
    No just literally we all worked fishing boats, obviously before they made loads of money being a boy band
  • TazTaz Posts: 18,350
    nico67 said:

    Cornwall is a part of the country that really feels different . I’ve been down loads of times to visit friends . As soon as you cross the Tamar Bridge it just feels like you’ve entered a different country in a very good way. It’s a unique place with a sense of mystery , the place names hark back to a different time, it’s almost out worldly .

    Cornwall is okay, we like Looe, but the narrow roads are fecking horrendous.
  • Pagan2Pagan2 Posts: 11,519
    IanB2 said:

    Pagan2 said:

    IanB2 said:


    Pagan2 said:

    Leon said:

    Pagan2 said:

    Leon said:

    Pagan2 said:

    Pagan2 said:

    Leon said:

    Pagan2 said:

    Leon said:

    Pagan2 said:

    carnforth said:
    Quote from one of your links showing leon talking bollocks

    "Cornish became extinct as a living community language in Cornwall by the end of the 18th century, although knowledge of Cornish, including speaking ability to a certain extent, persisted within some families and individuals.[12] "
    As I said before when we discussed this, if your family genuinely did speak a native version of Cornish until your mother's generation, that is a fantastical survival. Truly!

    I find it hard to believe just because it would be so exceptional, but I don't rule it out (not that you should care for my opinion, I am just making it plain)

    Indeed, I would love your story to be true! People speaking native Cornish at home into the 20th century would be sensational news for anyone with a love of linguistics. So, I hope it is true
    Sadly never really learned it as my parents moved to the foreign lands of padstow
    Warleggan would be a brilliant place for it to survive - it is indeed remote, brooding and strange, up on the moor

    It was a good choice for the villain's name in Poldark

    Did you live there as a tot? Do you remember it? Even now Bodmin Moor is quite freaky
    My parents moved to padstow before I was born but some of the tales about warleggan they told me were odd like the priest populating his church with cardboard cutouts
    Sounds suitably atmospheric. The essence of Cornwall is more of a mystery to most people than much of the rest of Britain.
    When you transit from devon to cornwall even the scenery changes, you switch from the sedimentary sandstone lands to the much more sharp lands of igneous granite. I cant explain why but it lifts my spirit to go home in a way devon doesn't even though they are probably equally green
    Poorer yet prettier, sadder yet happier. As soon as you cross the Tamar, from the lushness of Devon

    When I was a lad in Hereford we always used to take our holidays with the fam in Cornwall (usually my Auntie Iris in Carnkie), My God that was a long drive in the 1970s. Hours and hours. As we passed each county my Mum and Dad would sing a song for each one, something about Somerset, then "Devon Glorious Devon"

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_oQMZV-8p5Y

    Then finally we would reach the Tamar and the whole car would launch into Trelawny as we made it into Cornwall

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ere9fNgSGe8

    Ah, feck, I'm about to start crying. I'd better go to the shops

    Tune in again tomorrow to These Cornish Memories, Part 739
    may I offer
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M0I9_mTX0lg

    And of course this. My Dad came to love this, in his final few years

    During family get togethers we all used to wear hats around the kitchen table in Truro (no idea why, a weird tradition) and we'd belt this out.

    https://youtu.be/FNCcSJiZR1I?si=dbc3UETcyHSR0Wfz

    And then we'd sing Coming Up Camborne Hill, Coming Down


    WHITE STOCKINGS, WHITE STOCKINGS SHE WORE
    Fishermans friends were a great cornish export just saying
    Fisherman friends are from lancs
    That's the mints. The band and film are from the small town just around the headland to the left from my photo above.
    From 5 miles from where I grew up I fished on trawlers with a couple
    Nowadays the town is almost entirely second homes and AirBnBs, with the residents having cashed in and bought unattractive modern bungalows in the 'back settlement' inland, over the hill.
    Padstow has been the same I don't recognise it any more, now its not a fishing port its a marina. The shops are now all high end art galleries and you have arseholes like the camerons as your tourists. Its now called camden on sea
  • Pagan2Pagan2 Posts: 11,519
    Hands and olive branch out to Leon, these songs both made us homesick and brought out tears
  • LeonLeon Posts: 60,959
    Pagan2 said:

    Hands and olive branch out to Leon, these songs both made us homesick and brought out tears

    Yep. One and all my Cornish friend!

    I confess an actual tear rolled

    KERNOW BYS VYKEN
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 45,293
    Leon said:

    Fuck, this is how you end up moving back, isn't it?

    A couple of songs. Fierce family memories. Sadness yet happiness. Something unplaceable dragging at you, like an undertow, like some emotional gravity, surging from nowhere

    I AD HER I AD HER I DID

    That sounds like Bennie from Crossroads.
  • Pagan2Pagan2 Posts: 11,519
    Taz said:

    nico67 said:

    Cornwall is a part of the country that really feels different . I’ve been down loads of times to visit friends . As soon as you cross the Tamar Bridge it just feels like you’ve entered a different country in a very good way. It’s a unique place with a sense of mystery , the place names hark back to a different time, it’s almost out worldly .

    Cornwall is okay, we like Looe, but the narrow roads are fecking horrendous.
    How absolutely horrible of the townplanners of the 17th century not to consider the width needs of your suv
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 45,293
    edited May 20
    Pagan2 said:

    Leon said:

    Fuck, this is how you end up moving back, isn't it?

    A couple of songs. Fierce family memories. Sadness yet happiness. Something unplaceable dragging at you, like an undertow, like some emotional gravity, surging from nowhere

    I AD HER I AD HER I DID

    Nothing wrong with moving back already got my pyre booked for when I go
    I hope for that to be untrue.
  • Pagan2Pagan2 Posts: 11,519
    Leon said:

    Pagan2 said:

    Hands and olive branch out to Leon, these songs both made us homesick and brought out tears

    Yep. One and all my Cornish friend!

    I confess an actual tear rolled

    KERNOW BYS VYKEN
    Meur Ras
  • LeonLeon Posts: 60,959
    edited May 20
    I believe I am experiencing Hiraeth


    “Hiraeth is famously untranslatable, from the Welsh, but it evokes a deep, melancholic longing for a homeland - not just a place, but a time, a feeling, or even something that may never have existed. It’s nostalgia with soul and ache. A homesickness for a home you must return to, even if you don’t know why”
  • Pagan2Pagan2 Posts: 11,519
    kinabalu said:

    Pagan2 said:

    Leon said:

    Fuck, this is how you end up moving back, isn't it?

    A couple of songs. Fierce family memories. Sadness yet happiness. Something unplaceable dragging at you, like an undertow, like some emotional gravity, surging from nowhere

    I AD HER I AD HER I DID

    Nothing wrong with moving back already got my pyre booked for when I go
    I hope for that to be untrue.
    You hope I wont die?
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 54,694
    Pagan2 said:

    IanB2 said:

    Pagan2 said:

    IanB2 said:


    Pagan2 said:

    Leon said:

    Pagan2 said:

    Leon said:

    Pagan2 said:

    Pagan2 said:

    Leon said:

    Pagan2 said:

    Leon said:

    Pagan2 said:

    carnforth said:
    Quote from one of your links showing leon talking bollocks

    "Cornish became extinct as a living community language in Cornwall by the end of the 18th century, although knowledge of Cornish, including speaking ability to a certain extent, persisted within some families and individuals.[12] "
    As I said before when we discussed this, if your family genuinely did speak a native version of Cornish until your mother's generation, that is a fantastical survival. Truly!

    I find it hard to believe just because it would be so exceptional, but I don't rule it out (not that you should care for my opinion, I am just making it plain)

    Indeed, I would love your story to be true! People speaking native Cornish at home into the 20th century would be sensational news for anyone with a love of linguistics. So, I hope it is true
    Sadly never really learned it as my parents moved to the foreign lands of padstow
    Warleggan would be a brilliant place for it to survive - it is indeed remote, brooding and strange, up on the moor

    It was a good choice for the villain's name in Poldark

    Did you live there as a tot? Do you remember it? Even now Bodmin Moor is quite freaky
    My parents moved to padstow before I was born but some of the tales about warleggan they told me were odd like the priest populating his church with cardboard cutouts
    Sounds suitably atmospheric. The essence of Cornwall is more of a mystery to most people than much of the rest of Britain.
    When you transit from devon to cornwall even the scenery changes, you switch from the sedimentary sandstone lands to the much more sharp lands of igneous granite. I cant explain why but it lifts my spirit to go home in a way devon doesn't even though they are probably equally green
    Poorer yet prettier, sadder yet happier. As soon as you cross the Tamar, from the lushness of Devon

    When I was a lad in Hereford we always used to take our holidays with the fam in Cornwall (usually my Auntie Iris in Carnkie), My God that was a long drive in the 1970s. Hours and hours. As we passed each county my Mum and Dad would sing a song for each one, something about Somerset, then "Devon Glorious Devon"

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_oQMZV-8p5Y

    Then finally we would reach the Tamar and the whole car would launch into Trelawny as we made it into Cornwall

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ere9fNgSGe8

    Ah, feck, I'm about to start crying. I'd better go to the shops

    Tune in again tomorrow to These Cornish Memories, Part 739
    may I offer
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M0I9_mTX0lg

    And of course this. My Dad came to love this, in his final few years

    During family get togethers we all used to wear hats around the kitchen table in Truro (no idea why, a weird tradition) and we'd belt this out.

    https://youtu.be/FNCcSJiZR1I?si=dbc3UETcyHSR0Wfz

    And then we'd sing Coming Up Camborne Hill, Coming Down


    WHITE STOCKINGS, WHITE STOCKINGS SHE WORE
    Fishermans friends were a great cornish export just saying
    Fisherman friends are from lancs
    That's the mints. The band and film are from the small town just around the headland to the left from my photo above.
    From 5 miles from where I grew up I fished on trawlers with a couple
    Nowadays the town is almost entirely second homes and AirBnBs, with the residents having cashed in and bought unattractive modern bungalows in the 'back settlement' inland, over the hill.
    Padstow has been the same I don't recognise it any more, now its not a fishing port its a marina. The shops are now all high end art galleries and you have arseholes like the camerons as your tourists. Its now called camden on sea
    SteinWorld (TM)
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 63,135
    Pagan2 said:

    Taz said:

    nico67 said:

    Cornwall is a part of the country that really feels different . I’ve been down loads of times to visit friends . As soon as you cross the Tamar Bridge it just feels like you’ve entered a different country in a very good way. It’s a unique place with a sense of mystery , the place names hark back to a different time, it’s almost out worldly .

    Cornwall is okay, we like Looe, but the narrow roads are fecking horrendous.
    How absolutely horrible of the townplanners of the 17th century not to consider the width needs of your suv
    It's one reason so many branch lines survived.

    Anywhere else and Beeching would have succeeded in terminating the Looe branch with extreme prejudice.
  • WhisperingOracleWhisperingOracle Posts: 10,035
    Well I'm glad that Kinabalu and I could have helped set off this positive events Kinabalu first mentioning that
    Leon was from Cornwall, and then I asking about local Cornish words.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 63,135
    Pagan2 said:

    Leon said:

    Pagan2 said:

    Leon said:

    Fuck, this is how you end up moving back, isn't it?

    A couple of songs. Fierce family memories. Sadness yet happiness. Something unplaceable dragging at you, like an undertow, like some emotional gravity, surging from nowhere

    I AD HER I AD HER I DID

    Nothing wrong with moving back already got my pyre booked for when I go
    Sure. But I’ve never felt like it might actually happen until - literally - about half an hour ago

    This is a very new feeling. Maybe passing

    Those songs are very powerful
    Death always comes one day, all we can do is make sure while we were here we helped where we could and lived our best lives before she calls us home
    Cheer up, guys, the sun's out.
  • WhisperingOracleWhisperingOracle Posts: 10,035
    Or even, these positive events.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 54,186
    Taz said:

    nico67 said:

    Cornwall is a part of the country that really feels different . I’ve been down loads of times to visit friends . As soon as you cross the Tamar Bridge it just feels like you’ve entered a different country in a very good way. It’s a unique place with a sense of mystery , the place names hark back to a different time, it’s almost out worldly .

    Cornwall is okay, we like Looe, but the narrow roads are fecking horrendous.
    I've been there by train, even stopped at Coombe Junction [rare track!].
  • Pagan2Pagan2 Posts: 11,519
    Pagan2 said:

    kinabalu said:

    Pagan2 said:

    Leon said:

    Fuck, this is how you end up moving back, isn't it?

    A couple of songs. Fierce family memories. Sadness yet happiness. Something unplaceable dragging at you, like an undertow, like some emotional gravity, surging from nowhere

    I AD HER I AD HER I DID

    Nothing wrong with moving back already got my pyre booked for when I go
    I hope for that to be untrue.
    You hope I wont die?
    Sorry but I have to at some point, life is a short term gift and we need to make room for the new generations it would get crowded if we didnt die
  • gettingbettergettingbetter Posts: 592
    Taz said:

    nico67 said:

    Cornwall is a part of the country that really feels different . I’ve been down loads of times to visit friends . As soon as you cross the Tamar Bridge it just feels like you’ve entered a different country in a very good way. It’s a unique place with a sense of mystery , the place names hark back to a different time, it’s almost out worldly .

    Cornwall is okay, we like Looe, but the narrow roads are fecking horrendous.
    I spent some happy days seawatching at Pendeen and Porthgwarra, and birding the Hayle Estuary, Cot Valley and Nanquidno. And of course the Scillies. I would love to go there again but I doubt I will get the chance now.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 45,293
    Pagan2 said:

    kinabalu said:

    Pagan2 said:

    Leon said:

    Fuck, this is how you end up moving back, isn't it?

    A couple of songs. Fierce family memories. Sadness yet happiness. Something unplaceable dragging at you, like an undertow, like some emotional gravity, surging from nowhere

    I AD HER I AD HER I DID

    Nothing wrong with moving back already got my pyre booked for when I go
    I hope for that to be untrue.
    You hope I wont die?
    A Doors ref. But no I don't like to think of you that way.
  • isamisam Posts: 41,775
    Leon said:

    MaxPB said:

    Leon said:

    MaxPB said:

    Leon said:

    MaxPB said:

    carnforth said:

    "An Egyptian fisherman who helped organise the movement of more than 3,000 migrants as part of a £12 million illegal boat crossing operation has been jailed for 25 years.

    UK-based Ahmed Ebid, 42, was involved in smuggling nearly 3,800 people from North Africa to Italy between October 2022 and June 2023, with some making their way to Britain, the National Crime Agency (NCA) said."

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/ce399l1329lo

    He arrived in the UK on a small boat in 2022 after spending five years in jail in Italy for attempted drug smuggling. He applied for asylum in the UK but never received a decision.

    Ebid, whose wife and sons are in the UK, had been living in Home Office-funded accommodation in south-west London at the time of his arrest.
    Literally deport them all, take their fingerprints and if they ever try and return deport them instantly with no recourse to appeal. This country is a joke.
    It makes me want to weep

    This fucker was in "Home Office Accommodation" with his wife and kids. That's nice for him. Me and you were paying his fucking rent as he trafficked hostile people into the UK, or threw people overboard into the Channel

    This is why we need Reform. We need seriously brutal remedies for all this. Enough
    Predictably when this dickhead gets out of jail he'll win a court case to remain in the country on the basis that his wife and child have adjusted to life here and he can't be separated from his family. No, fuck the jail sentence, deport him now to Italy or Egypt. We have no need to have this fucker in our jails taking up space and resources all while we lose the ability to deport him and his family. They all should be on the plane tomorrow.
    If HMG doesn't get a grip on stuff like this I don't see how Farage loses. The nation has lost all patience. You can sense it; it is palpable
    It's what I said about a week ago, these are the types of cases and stories that are radicalising reliably middle of the road Tories to become much more right wing and throw their lot in with Reform. There's a sense of unfairness and injustice to British citizens that scumbags like this are able to exploit the law and take advantage of us that the Tories utterly failed to address and Labour will need to get sharp with immediately or I could see a landslide for Reform if they pledge to ignore the ECHR and deport all foreign criminals Trump style. Ordinary voters don't care for the minutia of habeus corpus and whatever we might discuss on pb, they want action and they want the criminals and illegal immigrants deported.
    Yup

    See also Gregg's now having to put their pasties and sarnies behind glass, because of the repeated and blatant shoplifting, which goes unpunished

    It's stories like this - visible to all (literally witnessed by @Casino_Royale in Gregg's last week) which is driving people to a radical solution. The sense of total unfairness the sense of life declining, the sense of criminals now totally takng the piss and our spineless government siding with anyone but the poor native honest hardworking Brits

    Toxic
    Daniel Finkelstein wrote an article on precisely this in The Times last week. Farage has a sense of what seems unfair to people that bureaucrats like Starmer, and most other politicians to be fair, either don't possess or are too ashamed to say in polite company
  • Pagan2Pagan2 Posts: 11,519

    Pagan2 said:

    Leon said:

    Pagan2 said:

    Leon said:

    Fuck, this is how you end up moving back, isn't it?

    A couple of songs. Fierce family memories. Sadness yet happiness. Something unplaceable dragging at you, like an undertow, like some emotional gravity, surging from nowhere

    I AD HER I AD HER I DID

    Nothing wrong with moving back already got my pyre booked for when I go
    Sure. But I’ve never felt like it might actually happen until - literally - about half an hour ago

    This is a very new feeling. Maybe passing

    Those songs are very powerful
    Death always comes one day, all we can do is make sure while we were here we helped where we could and lived our best lives before she calls us home
    Cheer up, guys, the sun's out.
    Chuckles realising your life is finite is not being a pessimist, saying live your best life while you can then make room for the next generation is a positive thing and for me at least this life is merely the start of an ongoing adventure
  • LeonLeon Posts: 60,959

    Taz said:

    nico67 said:

    Cornwall is a part of the country that really feels different . I’ve been down loads of times to visit friends . As soon as you cross the Tamar Bridge it just feels like you’ve entered a different country in a very good way. It’s a unique place with a sense of mystery , the place names hark back to a different time, it’s almost out worldly .

    Cornwall is okay, we like Looe, but the narrow roads are fecking horrendous.
    I spent some happy days seawatching at Pendeen and Porthgwarra, and birding the Hayle Estuary, Cot Valley and Nanquidno. And of course the Scillies. I would love to go there again but I doubt I will get the chance now.
    Nanquidno!

    I love those tiny little valleys in West Penwith. What a magical place

    One reason I love them is their beautiful names

    NANQUIDNO

    My older daughter's middle name is Lamorna

    My niece has just called her baby daughter Zennor
  • BartholomewRobertsBartholomewRoberts Posts: 23,997
    Pagan2 said:

    See this is why we need the greater Cornish empire...make the whole world Cornish

    Make the whole world dry, bland and disappointing?

    This message was brought you by Ginsters.
  • TazTaz Posts: 18,350
    Pagan2 said:

    Taz said:

    nico67 said:

    Cornwall is a part of the country that really feels different . I’ve been down loads of times to visit friends . As soon as you cross the Tamar Bridge it just feels like you’ve entered a different country in a very good way. It’s a unique place with a sense of mystery , the place names hark back to a different time, it’s almost out worldly .

    Cornwall is okay, we like Looe, but the narrow roads are fecking horrendous.
    How absolutely horrible of the townplanners of the 17th century not to consider the width needs of your suv
    I drive a Hyundai i10 😂😂😂😂

    I believe road widening is a concept that was implemented in other parts of the country.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 45,293
    I'm also feeling Cornish now.
  • Pagan2Pagan2 Posts: 11,519

    Pagan2 said:

    See this is why we need the greater Cornish empire...make the whole world Cornish

    Make the whole world dry, bland and disappointing?

    This message was brought you by Ginsters.
    Don't judge cornwall by ginsters its as cornish as a london accountant
  • TazTaz Posts: 18,350

    Pagan2 said:

    See this is why we need the greater Cornish empire...make the whole world Cornish

    Make the whole world dry, bland and disappointing?

    This message was brought you by Ginsters.
    The pasty originated in Bedford.

    Ginsters are fine, their sausage rolls nice. Alan Partridge is a fan. However there is a great pasty shop in Looe.
  • Pagan2Pagan2 Posts: 11,519
    edited May 20
    Taz said:

    Pagan2 said:

    Taz said:

    nico67 said:

    Cornwall is a part of the country that really feels different . I’ve been down loads of times to visit friends . As soon as you cross the Tamar Bridge it just feels like you’ve entered a different country in a very good way. It’s a unique place with a sense of mystery , the place names hark back to a different time, it’s almost out worldly .

    Cornwall is okay, we like Looe, but the narrow roads are fecking horrendous.
    How absolutely horrible of the townplanners of the 17th century not to consider the width needs of your suv
    I drive a Hyundai i10 😂😂😂😂

    I believe road widening is a concept that was implemented in other parts of the country.
    Perhaps you could just rent a sensible car instead of expecting others to adapt their road systems to your outsized penis mobile?
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 31,300
    Leon said:

    MaxPB said:

    Leon said:

    MaxPB said:

    Leon said:

    MaxPB said:

    carnforth said:

    "An Egyptian fisherman who helped organise the movement of more than 3,000 migrants as part of a £12 million illegal boat crossing operation has been jailed for 25 years.

    UK-based Ahmed Ebid, 42, was involved in smuggling nearly 3,800 people from North Africa to Italy between October 2022 and June 2023, with some making their way to Britain, the National Crime Agency (NCA) said."

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/ce399l1329lo

    He arrived in the UK on a small boat in 2022 after spending five years in jail in Italy for attempted drug smuggling. He applied for asylum in the UK but never received a decision.

    Ebid, whose wife and sons are in the UK, had been living in Home Office-funded accommodation in south-west London at the time of his arrest.
    Literally deport them all, take their fingerprints and if they ever try and return deport them instantly with no recourse to appeal. This country is a joke.
    It makes me want to weep

    This fucker was in "Home Office Accommodation" with his wife and kids. That's nice for him. Me and you were paying his fucking rent as he trafficked hostile people into the UK, or threw people overboard into the Channel

    This is why we need Reform. We need seriously brutal remedies for all this. Enough
    Predictably when this dickhead gets out of jail he'll win a court case to remain in the country on the basis that his wife and child have adjusted to life here and he can't be separated from his family. No, fuck the jail sentence, deport him now to Italy or Egypt. We have no need to have this fucker in our jails taking up space and resources all while we lose the ability to deport him and his family. They all should be on the plane tomorrow.
    If HMG doesn't get a grip on stuff like this I don't see how Farage loses. The nation has lost all patience. You can sense it; it is palpable
    It's what I said about a week ago, these are the types of cases and stories that are radicalising reliably middle of the road Tories to become much more right wing and throw their lot in with Reform. There's a sense of unfairness and injustice to British citizens that scumbags like this are able to exploit the law and take advantage of us that the Tories utterly failed to address and Labour will need to get sharp with immediately or I could see a landslide for Reform if they pledge to ignore the ECHR and deport all foreign criminals Trump style. Ordinary voters don't care for the minutia of habeus corpus and whatever we might discuss on pb, they want action and they want the criminals and illegal immigrants deported.
    Yup

    See also Gregg's now having to put their pasties and sarnies behind glass, because of the repeated and blatant shoplifting, which goes unpunished

    It's stories like this - visible to all (literally witnessed by @Casino_Royale in Gregg's last week) which is driving people to a radical solution. The sense of total unfairness the sense of life declining, the sense of criminals now totally takng the piss and our spineless government siding with anyone but the poor native honest hardworking Brits

    Toxic
    It is simply not in Labour to fix this. And forget the Lib Dems. They can only ever triangulate and 'make noises' about it. Like they did on welfare reform. Like they did on economic growth. Like they did on immigration. All they will ever do is try to make a noise about it to get the press of their back. They set as much store by solving these problems as Starmer does by the Union Flag behind him when he makes the announcement.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 63,135
    kinabalu said:

    I'm also feeling Cornish now.

    JE SUIS REDRUTH
  • Pagan2Pagan2 Posts: 11,519
    Pagan2 said:

    Taz said:

    Pagan2 said:

    Taz said:

    nico67 said:

    Cornwall is a part of the country that really feels different . I’ve been down loads of times to visit friends . As soon as you cross the Tamar Bridge it just feels like you’ve entered a different country in a very good way. It’s a unique place with a sense of mystery , the place names hark back to a different time, it’s almost out worldly .

    Cornwall is okay, we like Looe, but the narrow roads are fecking horrendous.
    How absolutely horrible of the townplanners of the 17th century not to consider the width needs of your suv
    I drive a Hyundai i10 😂😂😂😂

    I believe road widening is a concept that was implemented in other parts of the country.
    Perhaps you could just rent a sensible car instead of expecting others to adapt their road systems to your outsized penis mobile?
    rent a morris minor or something
  • Pagan2Pagan2 Posts: 11,519

    kinabalu said:

    I'm also feeling Cornish now.

    JE SUIS REDRUTH
    Well they arent proper cornish they are southern cornish just saying :)
  • Pagan2Pagan2 Posts: 11,519
    Pagan2 said:

    kinabalu said:

    I'm also feeling Cornish now.

    JE SUIS REDRUTH
    Well they arent proper cornish they are southern cornish just saying :)
    ((btw that was me just joking in case people thought I was being serious))
  • Stark_DawningStark_Dawning Posts: 10,038

    kinabalu said:

    I'm also feeling Cornish now.

    JE SUIS REDRUTH
    A friend of mine does a lot of work there. Everything bad you've heard is true.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 60,959
    Pagan2 said:

    kinabalu said:

    I'm also feeling Cornish now.

    JE SUIS REDRUTH
    Well they arent proper cornish they are southern cornish just saying :)
    You joke but some of my radical cousins - the Cornish Solidarity lot - deny that anyone east of Falmouth is Cornish, indeed they possibly restrict Cornishness to Penzance and Penwith, and The Lizard if they're feeling generous

    They talk of Truro with outright contempt
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 54,186
    Sunil's Cornish Expedition of September 2018
    ============================

    Monday 10th
    London to Plymouth (did railway from Newton Abbot to Plymouth for the first time)

    then:
    Tuesday 11th
    Plymouth to Gunnislake, and Plymouth to Falmouth

    Wednesday 12th
    Par to Newquay

    Thursday 13th
    Truro to Penzance, and St Erth to St Ives

    Friday 14th
    Liskeard to Looe (and Coombe Junction Halt!)
    And back to London
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 51,555
    edited May 20
    isam said:

    Leon said:

    MaxPB said:

    Leon said:

    MaxPB said:

    Leon said:

    MaxPB said:

    carnforth said:

    "An Egyptian fisherman who helped organise the movement of more than 3,000 migrants as part of a £12 million illegal boat crossing operation has been jailed for 25 years.

    UK-based Ahmed Ebid, 42, was involved in smuggling nearly 3,800 people from North Africa to Italy between October 2022 and June 2023, with some making their way to Britain, the National Crime Agency (NCA) said."

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/ce399l1329lo

    He arrived in the UK on a small boat in 2022 after spending five years in jail in Italy for attempted drug smuggling. He applied for asylum in the UK but never received a decision.

    Ebid, whose wife and sons are in the UK, had been living in Home Office-funded accommodation in south-west London at the time of his arrest.
    Literally deport them all, take their fingerprints and if they ever try and return deport them instantly with no recourse to appeal. This country is a joke.
    It makes me want to weep

    This fucker was in "Home Office Accommodation" with his wife and kids. That's nice for him. Me and you were paying his fucking rent as he trafficked hostile people into the UK, or threw people overboard into the Channel

    This is why we need Reform. We need seriously brutal remedies for all this. Enough
    Predictably when this dickhead gets out of jail he'll win a court case to remain in the country on the basis that his wife and child have adjusted to life here and he can't be separated from his family. No, fuck the jail sentence, deport him now to Italy or Egypt. We have no need to have this fucker in our jails taking up space and resources all while we lose the ability to deport him and his family. They all should be on the plane tomorrow.
    If HMG doesn't get a grip on stuff like this I don't see how Farage loses. The nation has lost all patience. You can sense it; it is palpable
    It's what I said about a week ago, these are the types of cases and stories that are radicalising reliably middle of the road Tories to become much more right wing and throw their lot in with Reform. There's a sense of unfairness and injustice to British citizens that scumbags like this are able to exploit the law and take advantage of us that the Tories utterly failed to address and Labour will need to get sharp with immediately or I could see a landslide for Reform if they pledge to ignore the ECHR and deport all foreign criminals Trump style. Ordinary voters don't care for the minutia of habeus corpus and whatever we might discuss on pb, they want action and they want the criminals and illegal immigrants deported.
    Yup

    See also Gregg's now having to put their pasties and sarnies behind glass, because of the repeated and blatant shoplifting, which goes unpunished

    It's stories like this - visible to all (literally witnessed by @Casino_Royale in Gregg's last week) which is driving people to a radical solution. The sense of total unfairness the sense of life declining, the sense of criminals now totally takng the piss and our spineless government siding with anyone but the poor native honest hardworking Brits

    Toxic
    Daniel Finkelstein wrote an article on precisely this in The Times last week. Farage has a sense of what seems unfair to people that bureaucrats like Starmer, and most other politicians to be fair, either don't possess or are too ashamed to say in polite company
    If Reform do get in, the swing of disillusion against them in their midterm is going to be something to behold.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 60,959

    kinabalu said:

    I'm also feeling Cornish now.

    JE SUIS REDRUTH
    A friend of mine does a lot of work there. Everything bad you've heard is true.
    Amazingly, Camborne is arguably even worse, and let's not speak of Pool, which lies between them
  • Pagan2Pagan2 Posts: 11,519
    Leon said:

    Pagan2 said:

    kinabalu said:

    I'm also feeling Cornish now.

    JE SUIS REDRUTH
    Well they arent proper cornish they are southern cornish just saying :)
    You joke but some of my radical cousins - the Cornish Solidarity lot - deny that anyone east of Falmouth is Cornish, indeed they possibly restrict Cornishness to Penzance and Penwith, and The Lizard if they're feeling generous

    They talk of Truro with outright contempt
    I went to school with a guy that is still in prison as a member of one of the militant cornish indepence groups cant remember which but we referred to them as the ooo arrrgh A
  • TazTaz Posts: 18,350
    Pagan2 said:

    Taz said:

    Pagan2 said:

    Taz said:

    nico67 said:

    Cornwall is a part of the country that really feels different . I’ve been down loads of times to visit friends . As soon as you cross the Tamar Bridge it just feels like you’ve entered a different country in a very good way. It’s a unique place with a sense of mystery , the place names hark back to a different time, it’s almost out worldly .

    Cornwall is okay, we like Looe, but the narrow roads are fecking horrendous.
    How absolutely horrible of the townplanners of the 17th century not to consider the width needs of your suv
    I drive a Hyundai i10 😂😂😂😂

    I believe road widening is a concept that was implemented in other parts of the country.
    Perhaps you could just rent a sensible car instead of expecting others to adapt their road systems to your outsized penis mobile?
    Oh do fuck off and drop the attitude, just because Leon has well and truly battered you here earlier there’s no need to be such a jerk.

    I just commented on the roads I made no demand for their adaptation to suit my driving preference.

  • LeonLeon Posts: 60,959
    Taz said:

    Pagan2 said:

    Taz said:

    Pagan2 said:

    Taz said:

    nico67 said:

    Cornwall is a part of the country that really feels different . I’ve been down loads of times to visit friends . As soon as you cross the Tamar Bridge it just feels like you’ve entered a different country in a very good way. It’s a unique place with a sense of mystery , the place names hark back to a different time, it’s almost out worldly .

    Cornwall is okay, we like Looe, but the narrow roads are fecking horrendous.
    How absolutely horrible of the townplanners of the 17th century not to consider the width needs of your suv
    I drive a Hyundai i10 😂😂😂😂

    I believe road widening is a concept that was implemented in other parts of the country.
    Perhaps you could just rent a sensible car instead of expecting others to adapt their road systems to your outsized penis mobile?
    Oh do fuck off and drop the attitude, just because Leon has well and truly battered you here earlier there’s no need to be such a jerk.

    I just commented on the roads I made no demand for their adaptation to suit my driving preference.

    I certainly have not battered @Pagan2 - and nor he me - we have bonded like proper Cousin Jacks in exile

    OK now I am going to have gin. Enough weepy "hiraeth"

  • Pagan2Pagan2 Posts: 11,519
    Taz said:

    Pagan2 said:

    Taz said:

    Pagan2 said:

    Taz said:

    nico67 said:

    Cornwall is a part of the country that really feels different . I’ve been down loads of times to visit friends . As soon as you cross the Tamar Bridge it just feels like you’ve entered a different country in a very good way. It’s a unique place with a sense of mystery , the place names hark back to a different time, it’s almost out worldly .

    Cornwall is okay, we like Looe, but the narrow roads are fecking horrendous.
    How absolutely horrible of the townplanners of the 17th century not to consider the width needs of your suv
    I drive a Hyundai i10 😂😂😂😂

    I believe road widening is a concept that was implemented in other parts of the country.
    Perhaps you could just rent a sensible car instead of expecting others to adapt their road systems to your outsized penis mobile?
    Oh do fuck off and drop the attitude, just because Leon has well and truly battered you here earlier there’s no need to be such a jerk.

    I just commented on the roads I made no demand for their adaptation to suit my driving preference.

    It was merely an observation that if the roads aren't wide enough for your car then the problem is your car not the roads
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 14,340

    Nigelb said:

    Nigelb said:

    They were relying on him lying about wanting to deport their relatives ?
    (TBF, not completely absurd to rely on him lying.)

    https://x.com/BlueATLGeorgia/status/1924581252587274243
    "They betrayed us by doing what they promised" is an interesting take.

    A majority of Venezuelans in Doral, Florida voted for Trump, now their family members face deportation.

    One woman "cheered when Donald Trump was elected" and now the community feels "betrayed by the Trump administration."

    "Beyond betrayed. They used us."

    Are we able to nominate relatives we want deporting?
    Depends on whether or not you're wanting life imprisonment for them.

    50+ Venezuelans Imprisoned in El Salvador Came to US Legally, Never Violated Immigration Law
    https://www.cato.org/blog/50-venezuelans-imprisoned-el-salvador-came-us-legally-never-violated-immigration-law
    Trump seems to have given France ideas

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c7v7n81emy3o

    France to open high-security prison in Amazon jungle
    France is opening a prison in France, which is not the same thing. As it happens, there is a large part of France in South America, but it is, fully, France, under French law.
  • TazTaz Posts: 18,350
    Pagan2 said:

    Pagan2 said:

    Taz said:

    Pagan2 said:

    Taz said:

    nico67 said:

    Cornwall is a part of the country that really feels different . I’ve been down loads of times to visit friends . As soon as you cross the Tamar Bridge it just feels like you’ve entered a different country in a very good way. It’s a unique place with a sense of mystery , the place names hark back to a different time, it’s almost out worldly .

    Cornwall is okay, we like Looe, but the narrow roads are fecking horrendous.
    How absolutely horrible of the townplanners of the 17th century not to consider the width needs of your suv
    I drive a Hyundai i10 😂😂😂😂

    I believe road widening is a concept that was implemented in other parts of the country.
    Perhaps you could just rent a sensible car instead of expecting others to adapt their road systems to your outsized penis mobile?
    rent a morris minor or something
    This is my ‘outsized penis mobile’ 🤡

    https://www.cinch.co.uk/used-cars/hyundai/i10/details/98690910-7b32-47f5-96df-1b3965e560bf?CID=ppc|google|paid|UK_EN_Google_Generic_Research_PMax|||||&gclsrc=aw.ds&gad_source=1&gad_campaignid=20697209697&gbraid=0AAAAACtVW9Jo-m6jhiLhaWYV7samRWwx-&gclid=Cj0KCQjw0LDBBhCnARIsAMpYlAqjqIPZ8HqMemzVGyovyO1pS3dgt_VtFlMnQ94NIzpTKe0Iwlzh4h8aAnoiEALw_wcB
  • eekeek Posts: 30,024
    Leon said:

    MaxPB said:

    Leon said:

    MaxPB said:

    Leon said:

    MaxPB said:

    carnforth said:

    "An Egyptian fisherman who helped organise the movement of more than 3,000 migrants as part of a £12 million illegal boat crossing operation has been jailed for 25 years.

    UK-based Ahmed Ebid, 42, was involved in smuggling nearly 3,800 people from North Africa to Italy between October 2022 and June 2023, with some making their way to Britain, the National Crime Agency (NCA) said."

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/ce399l1329lo

    He arrived in the UK on a small boat in 2022 after spending five years in jail in Italy for attempted drug smuggling. He applied for asylum in the UK but never received a decision.

    Ebid, whose wife and sons are in the UK, had been living in Home Office-funded accommodation in south-west London at the time of his arrest.
    Literally deport them all, take their fingerprints and if they ever try and return deport them instantly with no recourse to appeal. This country is a joke.
    It makes me want to weep

    This fucker was in "Home Office Accommodation" with his wife and kids. That's nice for him. Me and you were paying his fucking rent as he trafficked hostile people into the UK, or threw people overboard into the Channel

    This is why we need Reform. We need seriously brutal remedies for all this. Enough
    Predictably when this dickhead gets out of jail he'll win a court case to remain in the country on the basis that his wife and child have adjusted to life here and he can't be separated from his family. No, fuck the jail sentence, deport him now to Italy or Egypt. We have no need to have this fucker in our jails taking up space and resources all while we lose the ability to deport him and his family. They all should be on the plane tomorrow.
    If HMG doesn't get a grip on stuff like this I don't see how Farage loses. The nation has lost all patience. You can sense it; it is palpable
    It's what I said about a week ago, these are the types of cases and stories that are radicalising reliably middle of the road Tories to become much more right wing and throw their lot in with Reform. There's a sense of unfairness and injustice to British citizens that scumbags like this are able to exploit the law and take advantage of us that the Tories utterly failed to address and Labour will need to get sharp with immediately or I could see a landslide for Reform if they pledge to ignore the ECHR and deport all foreign criminals Trump style. Ordinary voters don't care for the minutia of habeus corpus and whatever we might discuss on pb, they want action and they want the criminals and illegal immigrants deported.
    Yup

    See also Gregg's now having to put their pasties and sarnies behind glass, because of the repeated and blatant shoplifting, which goes unpunished

    It's stories like this - visible to all (literally witnessed by @Casino_Royale in Gregg's last week) which is driving people to a radical solution. The sense of total unfairness the sense of life declining, the sense of criminals now totally takng the piss and our spineless government siding with anyone but the poor native honest hardworking Brits

    Toxic
    Its a total of 5 stores where they are implementing putting food behind the counter - and Greggs have over 2500 stores.

    And the thing is Greggs are at least trying - in other places chains will simply quietly close the store relocate the long term staff and pray the media doesn't notice how often they do it.
  • Pagan2Pagan2 Posts: 11,519
    Taz said:

    Pagan2 said:

    Pagan2 said:

    Taz said:

    Pagan2 said:

    Taz said:

    nico67 said:

    Cornwall is a part of the country that really feels different . I’ve been down loads of times to visit friends . As soon as you cross the Tamar Bridge it just feels like you’ve entered a different country in a very good way. It’s a unique place with a sense of mystery , the place names hark back to a different time, it’s almost out worldly .

    Cornwall is okay, we like Looe, but the narrow roads are fecking horrendous.
    How absolutely horrible of the townplanners of the 17th century not to consider the width needs of your suv
    I drive a Hyundai i10 😂😂😂😂

    I believe road widening is a concept that was implemented in other parts of the country.
    Perhaps you could just rent a sensible car instead of expecting others to adapt their road systems to your outsized penis mobile?
    rent a morris minor or something
    This is my ‘outsized penis mobile’ 🤡

    https://www.cinch.co.uk/used-cars/hyundai/i10/details/98690910-7b32-47f5-96df-1b3965e560bf?CID=ppc|google|paid|UK_EN_Google_Generic_Research_PMax|||||&gclsrc=aw.ds&gad_source=1&gad_campaignid=20697209697&gbraid=0AAAAACtVW9Jo-m6jhiLhaWYV7samRWwx-&gclid=Cj0KCQjw0LDBBhCnARIsAMpYlAqjqIPZ8HqMemzVGyovyO1pS3dgt_VtFlMnQ94NIzpTKe0Iwlzh4h8aAnoiEALw_wcB
    Well if it wont fit down roads its obviously too wide, I drove in cornwall all the time never found a round too narrow for my car. Even drove it in a bmw 320 when was my company car. I include all over cornwall in that including looe. What problems are you finding?
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 51,555

    Nigelb said:

    Nigelb said:

    They were relying on him lying about wanting to deport their relatives ?
    (TBF, not completely absurd to rely on him lying.)

    https://x.com/BlueATLGeorgia/status/1924581252587274243
    "They betrayed us by doing what they promised" is an interesting take.

    A majority of Venezuelans in Doral, Florida voted for Trump, now their family members face deportation.

    One woman "cheered when Donald Trump was elected" and now the community feels "betrayed by the Trump administration."

    "Beyond betrayed. They used us."

    Are we able to nominate relatives we want deporting?
    Depends on whether or not you're wanting life imprisonment for them.

    50+ Venezuelans Imprisoned in El Salvador Came to US Legally, Never Violated Immigration Law
    https://www.cato.org/blog/50-venezuelans-imprisoned-el-salvador-came-us-legally-never-violated-immigration-law
    Trump seems to have given France ideas

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c7v7n81emy3o

    France to open high-security prison in Amazon jungle
    France is opening a prison in France, which is not the same thing. As it happens, there is a large part of France in South America, but it is, fully, France, under French law.
    Hence the quiz question, with which country does France have the longest border, to which the answer is Brazil.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 63,135
    Is our grim future to be plagued by terrible cars?

    Oh, the horror. The horror.
  • TazTaz Posts: 18,350
    eek said:

    Leon said:

    MaxPB said:

    Leon said:

    MaxPB said:

    Leon said:

    MaxPB said:

    carnforth said:

    "An Egyptian fisherman who helped organise the movement of more than 3,000 migrants as part of a £12 million illegal boat crossing operation has been jailed for 25 years.

    UK-based Ahmed Ebid, 42, was involved in smuggling nearly 3,800 people from North Africa to Italy between October 2022 and June 2023, with some making their way to Britain, the National Crime Agency (NCA) said."

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/ce399l1329lo

    He arrived in the UK on a small boat in 2022 after spending five years in jail in Italy for attempted drug smuggling. He applied for asylum in the UK but never received a decision.

    Ebid, whose wife and sons are in the UK, had been living in Home Office-funded accommodation in south-west London at the time of his arrest.
    Literally deport them all, take their fingerprints and if they ever try and return deport them instantly with no recourse to appeal. This country is a joke.
    It makes me want to weep

    This fucker was in "Home Office Accommodation" with his wife and kids. That's nice for him. Me and you were paying his fucking rent as he trafficked hostile people into the UK, or threw people overboard into the Channel

    This is why we need Reform. We need seriously brutal remedies for all this. Enough
    Predictably when this dickhead gets out of jail he'll win a court case to remain in the country on the basis that his wife and child have adjusted to life here and he can't be separated from his family. No, fuck the jail sentence, deport him now to Italy or Egypt. We have no need to have this fucker in our jails taking up space and resources all while we lose the ability to deport him and his family. They all should be on the plane tomorrow.
    If HMG doesn't get a grip on stuff like this I don't see how Farage loses. The nation has lost all patience. You can sense it; it is palpable
    It's what I said about a week ago, these are the types of cases and stories that are radicalising reliably middle of the road Tories to become much more right wing and throw their lot in with Reform. There's a sense of unfairness and injustice to British citizens that scumbags like this are able to exploit the law and take advantage of us that the Tories utterly failed to address and Labour will need to get sharp with immediately or I could see a landslide for Reform if they pledge to ignore the ECHR and deport all foreign criminals Trump style. Ordinary voters don't care for the minutia of habeus corpus and whatever we might discuss on pb, they want action and they want the criminals and illegal immigrants deported.
    Yup

    See also Gregg's now having to put their pasties and sarnies behind glass, because of the repeated and blatant shoplifting, which goes unpunished

    It's stories like this - visible to all (literally witnessed by @Casino_Royale in Gregg's last week) which is driving people to a radical solution. The sense of total unfairness the sense of life declining, the sense of criminals now totally takng the piss and our spineless government siding with anyone but the poor native honest hardworking Brits

    Toxic
    Its a total of 5 stores where they are implementing putting food behind the counter - and Greggs have over 2500 stores.

    And the thing is Greggs are at least trying - in other places chains will simply quietly close the store relocate the long term staff and pray the media doesn't notice how often they do it.
    It’s not even subtle.

    https://x.com/notfarleftatall/status/1915448725629005974?s=61

    Good for Greggs for trying to do something.
  • eekeek Posts: 30,024
    Taz said:

    eek said:

    Leon said:

    MaxPB said:

    Leon said:

    MaxPB said:

    Leon said:

    MaxPB said:

    carnforth said:

    "An Egyptian fisherman who helped organise the movement of more than 3,000 migrants as part of a £12 million illegal boat crossing operation has been jailed for 25 years.

    UK-based Ahmed Ebid, 42, was involved in smuggling nearly 3,800 people from North Africa to Italy between October 2022 and June 2023, with some making their way to Britain, the National Crime Agency (NCA) said."

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/ce399l1329lo

    He arrived in the UK on a small boat in 2022 after spending five years in jail in Italy for attempted drug smuggling. He applied for asylum in the UK but never received a decision.

    Ebid, whose wife and sons are in the UK, had been living in Home Office-funded accommodation in south-west London at the time of his arrest.
    Literally deport them all, take their fingerprints and if they ever try and return deport them instantly with no recourse to appeal. This country is a joke.
    It makes me want to weep

    This fucker was in "Home Office Accommodation" with his wife and kids. That's nice for him. Me and you were paying his fucking rent as he trafficked hostile people into the UK, or threw people overboard into the Channel

    This is why we need Reform. We need seriously brutal remedies for all this. Enough
    Predictably when this dickhead gets out of jail he'll win a court case to remain in the country on the basis that his wife and child have adjusted to life here and he can't be separated from his family. No, fuck the jail sentence, deport him now to Italy or Egypt. We have no need to have this fucker in our jails taking up space and resources all while we lose the ability to deport him and his family. They all should be on the plane tomorrow.
    If HMG doesn't get a grip on stuff like this I don't see how Farage loses. The nation has lost all patience. You can sense it; it is palpable
    It's what I said about a week ago, these are the types of cases and stories that are radicalising reliably middle of the road Tories to become much more right wing and throw their lot in with Reform. There's a sense of unfairness and injustice to British citizens that scumbags like this are able to exploit the law and take advantage of us that the Tories utterly failed to address and Labour will need to get sharp with immediately or I could see a landslide for Reform if they pledge to ignore the ECHR and deport all foreign criminals Trump style. Ordinary voters don't care for the minutia of habeus corpus and whatever we might discuss on pb, they want action and they want the criminals and illegal immigrants deported.
    Yup

    See also Gregg's now having to put their pasties and sarnies behind glass, because of the repeated and blatant shoplifting, which goes unpunished

    It's stories like this - visible to all (literally witnessed by @Casino_Royale in Gregg's last week) which is driving people to a radical solution. The sense of total unfairness the sense of life declining, the sense of criminals now totally takng the piss and our spineless government siding with anyone but the poor native honest hardworking Brits

    Toxic
    Its a total of 5 stores where they are implementing putting food behind the counter - and Greggs have over 2500 stores.

    And the thing is Greggs are at least trying - in other places chains will simply quietly close the store relocate the long term staff and pray the media doesn't notice how often they do it.
    It’s not even subtle.

    https://x.com/notfarleftatall/status/1915448725629005974?s=61

    Good for Greggs for trying to do something.
    Never has been - I remember being in Sainsburys on Tottenham Court Road 10 years ago and 2 people picked up 2 sandwiches and drinks from the fridge then just walked out the door...
  • eekeek Posts: 30,024

    Nigelb said:

    Nigelb said:

    They were relying on him lying about wanting to deport their relatives ?
    (TBF, not completely absurd to rely on him lying.)

    https://x.com/BlueATLGeorgia/status/1924581252587274243
    "They betrayed us by doing what they promised" is an interesting take.

    A majority of Venezuelans in Doral, Florida voted for Trump, now their family members face deportation.

    One woman "cheered when Donald Trump was elected" and now the community feels "betrayed by the Trump administration."

    "Beyond betrayed. They used us."

    Are we able to nominate relatives we want deporting?
    Depends on whether or not you're wanting life imprisonment for them.

    50+ Venezuelans Imprisoned in El Salvador Came to US Legally, Never Violated Immigration Law
    https://www.cato.org/blog/50-venezuelans-imprisoned-el-salvador-came-us-legally-never-violated-immigration-law
    Trump seems to have given France ideas

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c7v7n81emy3o

    France to open high-security prison in Amazon jungle
    France is opening a prison in France, which is not the same thing. As it happens, there is a large part of France in South America, but it is, fully, France, under French law.
    Given the cash I will probably be heading to Guadeloupe when I retire...

  • TazTaz Posts: 18,350
    One for the Assisted Suicide Bill brigade. The euthanasia roller coaster

    https://x.com/zackdfilms1/status/1924888353826042066?s=61
  • TazTaz Posts: 18,350
    eek said:

    Taz said:

    eek said:

    Leon said:

    MaxPB said:

    Leon said:

    MaxPB said:

    Leon said:

    MaxPB said:

    carnforth said:

    "An Egyptian fisherman who helped organise the movement of more than 3,000 migrants as part of a £12 million illegal boat crossing operation has been jailed for 25 years.

    UK-based Ahmed Ebid, 42, was involved in smuggling nearly 3,800 people from North Africa to Italy between October 2022 and June 2023, with some making their way to Britain, the National Crime Agency (NCA) said."

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/ce399l1329lo

    He arrived in the UK on a small boat in 2022 after spending five years in jail in Italy for attempted drug smuggling. He applied for asylum in the UK but never received a decision.

    Ebid, whose wife and sons are in the UK, had been living in Home Office-funded accommodation in south-west London at the time of his arrest.
    Literally deport them all, take their fingerprints and if they ever try and return deport them instantly with no recourse to appeal. This country is a joke.
    It makes me want to weep

    This fucker was in "Home Office Accommodation" with his wife and kids. That's nice for him. Me and you were paying his fucking rent as he trafficked hostile people into the UK, or threw people overboard into the Channel

    This is why we need Reform. We need seriously brutal remedies for all this. Enough
    Predictably when this dickhead gets out of jail he'll win a court case to remain in the country on the basis that his wife and child have adjusted to life here and he can't be separated from his family. No, fuck the jail sentence, deport him now to Italy or Egypt. We have no need to have this fucker in our jails taking up space and resources all while we lose the ability to deport him and his family. They all should be on the plane tomorrow.
    If HMG doesn't get a grip on stuff like this I don't see how Farage loses. The nation has lost all patience. You can sense it; it is palpable
    It's what I said about a week ago, these are the types of cases and stories that are radicalising reliably middle of the road Tories to become much more right wing and throw their lot in with Reform. There's a sense of unfairness and injustice to British citizens that scumbags like this are able to exploit the law and take advantage of us that the Tories utterly failed to address and Labour will need to get sharp with immediately or I could see a landslide for Reform if they pledge to ignore the ECHR and deport all foreign criminals Trump style. Ordinary voters don't care for the minutia of habeus corpus and whatever we might discuss on pb, they want action and they want the criminals and illegal immigrants deported.
    Yup

    See also Gregg's now having to put their pasties and sarnies behind glass, because of the repeated and blatant shoplifting, which goes unpunished

    It's stories like this - visible to all (literally witnessed by @Casino_Royale in Gregg's last week) which is driving people to a radical solution. The sense of total unfairness the sense of life declining, the sense of criminals now totally takng the piss and our spineless government siding with anyone but the poor native honest hardworking Brits

    Toxic
    Its a total of 5 stores where they are implementing putting food behind the counter - and Greggs have over 2500 stores.

    And the thing is Greggs are at least trying - in other places chains will simply quietly close the store relocate the long term staff and pray the media doesn't notice how often they do it.
    It’s not even subtle.

    https://x.com/notfarleftatall/status/1915448725629005974?s=61

    Good for Greggs for trying to do something.
    Never has been - I remember being in Sainsburys on Tottenham Court Road 10 years ago and 2 people picked up 2 sandwiches and drinks from the fridge then just walked out the door...
    I never saw anything like it when I was London based with sandwich shops and the like, mind you not seen it in Newcastle or Durham either.

    This one, guy just fills up a bag.

    https://x.com/crimeldn/status/1813640875920236948?s=61
  • Pagan2Pagan2 Posts: 11,519
    kinabalu said:

    I'm also feeling Cornish now.

    We can make you an honoray one but it might need a ceremony where you drink lots of rough scrumpy, a few pints or rum then go wrecking
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 51,555
    Nigel Farage missed the parliamentary debate on the biggest reset to Brexit since the referendum because he is overseas on holiday, the Reform UK leader has said. Following speculation that he was on holiday in France, Farage, who has not been seen in the Commons this week and did not present his GB News show on Monday, released a statement confirming he was away.
  • BlancheLivermoreBlancheLivermore Posts: 6,384
    Fucking sneaky of the French to have maintained so much of their Empire in broad daylight
  • Pagan2Pagan2 Posts: 11,519

    Fucking sneaky of the French to have maintained so much of their Empire in broad daylight

    Perhaps your next walk should be to walk its borders
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 31,300
    IanB2 said:

    Nigel Farage missed the parliamentary debate on the biggest reset to Brexit since the referendum because he is overseas on holiday, the Reform UK leader has said. Following speculation that he was on holiday in France, Farage, who has not been seen in the Commons this week and did not present his GB News show on Monday, released a statement confirming he was away.

    Good for him for having a holiday - he sure as shit deserves one.

    However, Kemi has definitely made the most of it in his absence.
  • isamisam Posts: 41,775
    edited May 20
    Good use of a football meme from Reform. Too late for the last thread unfortunately

    The Conservative Party poll rating.

    https://x.com/reformparty_uk/status/1924818392558579739?s=46&t=CW4pL-mMpTqsJXCdjW0Z6Q
  • JohnLilburneJohnLilburne Posts: 6,696

    Nigelb said:

    Nigelb said:

    They were relying on him lying about wanting to deport their relatives ?
    (TBF, not completely absurd to rely on him lying.)

    https://x.com/BlueATLGeorgia/status/1924581252587274243
    "They betrayed us by doing what they promised" is an interesting take.

    A majority of Venezuelans in Doral, Florida voted for Trump, now their family members face deportation.

    One woman "cheered when Donald Trump was elected" and now the community feels "betrayed by the Trump administration."

    "Beyond betrayed. They used us."

    Are we able to nominate relatives we want deporting?
    Depends on whether or not you're wanting life imprisonment for them.

    50+ Venezuelans Imprisoned in El Salvador Came to US Legally, Never Violated Immigration Law
    https://www.cato.org/blog/50-venezuelans-imprisoned-el-salvador-came-us-legally-never-violated-immigration-law
    Trump seems to have given France ideas

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c7v7n81emy3o

    France to open high-security prison in Amazon jungle
    France is opening a prison in France, which is not the same thing. As it happens, there is a large part of France in South America, but it is, fully, France, under French law.
    Saint-Laurent-du-Maroni. Devil's Island redux
  • JohnLilburneJohnLilburne Posts: 6,696
    Pagan2 said:

    Taz said:

    Pagan2 said:

    Pagan2 said:

    Taz said:

    Pagan2 said:

    Taz said:

    nico67 said:

    Cornwall is a part of the country that really feels different . I’ve been down loads of times to visit friends . As soon as you cross the Tamar Bridge it just feels like you’ve entered a different country in a very good way. It’s a unique place with a sense of mystery , the place names hark back to a different time, it’s almost out worldly .

    Cornwall is okay, we like Looe, but the narrow roads are fecking horrendous.
    How absolutely horrible of the townplanners of the 17th century not to consider the width needs of your suv
    I drive a Hyundai i10 😂😂😂😂

    I believe road widening is a concept that was implemented in other parts of the country.
    Perhaps you could just rent a sensible car instead of expecting others to adapt their road systems to your outsized penis mobile?
    rent a morris minor or something
    This is my ‘outsized penis mobile’ 🤡

    https://www.cinch.co.uk/used-cars/hyundai/i10/details/98690910-7b32-47f5-96df-1b3965e560bf?CID=ppc|google|paid|UK_EN_Google_Generic_Research_PMax|||||&gclsrc=aw.ds&gad_source=1&gad_campaignid=20697209697&gbraid=0AAAAACtVW9Jo-m6jhiLhaWYV7samRWwx-&gclid=Cj0KCQjw0LDBBhCnARIsAMpYlAqjqIPZ8HqMemzVGyovyO1pS3dgt_VtFlMnQ94NIzpTKe0Iwlzh4h8aAnoiEALw_wcB
    Well if it wont fit down roads its obviously too wide, I drove in cornwall all the time never found a round too narrow for my car. Even drove it in a bmw 320 when was my company car. I include all over cornwall in that including looe. What problems are you finding?
    Pagan2 said:

    Taz said:

    Pagan2 said:

    Pagan2 said:

    Taz said:

    Pagan2 said:

    Taz said:

    nico67 said:

    Cornwall is a part of the country that really feels different . I’ve been down loads of times to visit friends . As soon as you cross the Tamar Bridge it just feels like you’ve entered a different country in a very good way. It’s a unique place with a sense of mystery , the place names hark back to a different time, it’s almost out worldly .

    Cornwall is okay, we like Looe, but the narrow roads are fecking horrendous.
    How absolutely horrible of the townplanners of the 17th century not to consider the width needs of your suv
    I drive a Hyundai i10 😂😂😂😂

    I believe road widening is a concept that was implemented in other parts of the country.
    Perhaps you could just rent a sensible car instead of expecting others to adapt their road systems to your outsized penis mobile?
    rent a morris minor or something
    This is my ‘outsized penis mobile’ 🤡

    https://www.cinch.co.uk/used-cars/hyundai/i10/details/98690910-7b32-47f5-96df-1b3965e560bf?CID=ppc|google|paid|UK_EN_Google_Generic_Research_PMax|||||&gclsrc=aw.ds&gad_source=1&gad_campaignid=20697209697&gbraid=0AAAAACtVW9Jo-m6jhiLhaWYV7samRWwx-&gclid=Cj0KCQjw0LDBBhCnARIsAMpYlAqjqIPZ8HqMemzVGyovyO1pS3dgt_VtFlMnQ94NIzpTKe0Iwlzh4h8aAnoiEALw_wcB
    Well if it wont fit down roads its obviously too wide, I drove in cornwall all the time never found a round too narrow for my car. Even drove it in a bmw 320 when was my company car. I include all over cornwall in that including looe. What problems are you finding?
    Maybe P2 can't do single track roads
  • Pagan2Pagan2 Posts: 11,519
    edited May 20

    Pagan2 said:

    Taz said:

    Pagan2 said:

    Pagan2 said:

    Taz said:

    Pagan2 said:

    Taz said:

    nico67 said:

    Cornwall is a part of the country that really feels different . I’ve been down loads of times to visit friends . As soon as you cross the Tamar Bridge it just feels like you’ve entered a different country in a very good way. It’s a unique place with a sense of mystery , the place names hark back to a different time, it’s almost out worldly .

    Cornwall is okay, we like Looe, but the narrow roads are fecking horrendous.
    How absolutely horrible of the townplanners of the 17th century not to consider the width needs of your suv
    I drive a Hyundai i10 😂😂😂😂

    I believe road widening is a concept that was implemented in other parts of the country.
    Perhaps you could just rent a sensible car instead of expecting others to adapt their road systems to your outsized penis mobile?
    rent a morris minor or something
    This is my ‘outsized penis mobile’ 🤡

    https://www.cinch.co.uk/used-cars/hyundai/i10/details/98690910-7b32-47f5-96df-1b3965e560bf?CID=ppc|google|paid|UK_EN_Google_Generic_Research_PMax|||||&gclsrc=aw.ds&gad_source=1&gad_campaignid=20697209697&gbraid=0AAAAACtVW9Jo-m6jhiLhaWYV7samRWwx-&gclid=Cj0KCQjw0LDBBhCnARIsAMpYlAqjqIPZ8HqMemzVGyovyO1pS3dgt_VtFlMnQ94NIzpTKe0Iwlzh4h8aAnoiEALw_wcB
    Well if it wont fit down roads its obviously too wide, I drove in cornwall all the time never found a round too narrow for my car. Even drove it in a bmw 320 when was my company car. I include all over cornwall in that including looe. What problems are you finding?
    Pagan2 said:

    Taz said:

    Pagan2 said:

    Pagan2 said:

    Taz said:

    Pagan2 said:

    Taz said:

    nico67 said:

    Cornwall is a part of the country that really feels different . I’ve been down loads of times to visit friends . As soon as you cross the Tamar Bridge it just feels like you’ve entered a different country in a very good way. It’s a unique place with a sense of mystery , the place names hark back to a different time, it’s almost out worldly .

    Cornwall is okay, we like Looe, but the narrow roads are fecking horrendous.
    How absolutely horrible of the townplanners of the 17th century not to consider the width needs of your suv
    I drive a Hyundai i10 😂😂😂😂

    I believe road widening is a concept that was implemented in other parts of the country.
    Perhaps you could just rent a sensible car instead of expecting others to adapt their road systems to your outsized penis mobile?
    rent a morris minor or something
    This is my ‘outsized penis mobile’ 🤡

    https://www.cinch.co.uk/used-cars/hyundai/i10/details/98690910-7b32-47f5-96df-1b3965e560bf?CID=ppc|google|paid|UK_EN_Google_Generic_Research_PMax|||||&gclsrc=aw.ds&gad_source=1&gad_campaignid=20697209697&gbraid=0AAAAACtVW9Jo-m6jhiLhaWYV7samRWwx-&gclid=Cj0KCQjw0LDBBhCnARIsAMpYlAqjqIPZ8HqMemzVGyovyO1pS3dgt_VtFlMnQ94NIzpTKe0Iwlzh4h8aAnoiEALw_wcB
    Well if it wont fit down roads its obviously too wide, I drove in cornwall all the time never found a round too narrow for my car. Even drove it in a bmw 320 when was my company car. I include all over cornwall in that including looe. What problems are you finding?
    Maybe P2 can't do single track roads
    Sorry a bmw 320 is hardly narrow, could still fit down those roads just fine......when driving a in cornwall I found people complaining mostly about the road width were people who couldn't reverse
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 122,069
    Really sad to hear this news, met him a few times, and was a reader of PB.

    Journalist Patrick O’Flynn dies age 59

    Nigel Farage pays tribute to former Ukip MEP and political editor of Daily Express


    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2025/05/20/journalist-patrick-oflynn-dies-age-59/
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 45,293
    Pagan2 said:

    kinabalu said:

    I'm also feeling Cornish now.

    We can make you an honoray one but it might need a ceremony where you drink lots of rough scrumpy, a few pints or rum then go wrecking
    Deal. I'm made for that.
  • Pagan2Pagan2 Posts: 11,519
    kinabalu said:

    Pagan2 said:

    kinabalu said:

    I'm also feeling Cornish now.

    We can make you an honoray one but it might need a ceremony where you drink lots of rough scrumpy, a few pints or rum then go wrecking
    Deal. I'm made for that.
    Tries to imagine kinablu after a few pints of scrumpy and rum trying to lure ships onto the rocks....fails in imagination
  • TazTaz Posts: 18,350
    edited May 20
    Pagan2 said:

    Taz said:

    Pagan2 said:

    Pagan2 said:

    Taz said:

    Pagan2 said:

    Taz said:

    nico67 said:

    Cornwall is a part of the country that really feels different . I’ve been down loads of times to visit friends . As soon as you cross the Tamar Bridge it just feels like you’ve entered a different country in a very good way. It’s a unique place with a sense of mystery , the place names hark back to a different time, it’s almost out worldly .

    Cornwall is okay, we like Looe, but the narrow roads are fecking horrendous.
    How absolutely horrible of the townplanners of the 17th century not to consider the width needs of your suv
    I drive a Hyundai i10 😂😂😂😂

    I believe road widening is a concept that was implemented in other parts of the country.
    Perhaps you could just rent a sensible car instead of expecting others to adapt their road systems to your outsized penis mobile?
    rent a morris minor or something
    This is my ‘outsized penis mobile’ 🤡

    https://www.cinch.co.uk/used-cars/hyundai/i10/details/98690910-7b32-47f5-96df-1b3965e560bf?CID=ppc|google|paid|UK_EN_Google_Generic_Research_PMax|||||&gclsrc=aw.ds&gad_source=1&gad_campaignid=20697209697&gbraid=0AAAAACtVW9Jo-m6jhiLhaWYV7samRWwx-&gclid=Cj0KCQjw0LDBBhCnARIsAMpYlAqjqIPZ8HqMemzVGyovyO1pS3dgt_VtFlMnQ94NIzpTKe0Iwlzh4h8aAnoiEALw_wcB
    Well if it wont fit down roads its obviously too wide, I drove in cornwall all the time never found a round too narrow for my car. Even drove it in a bmw 320 when was my company car. I include all over cornwall in that including looe. What problems are you finding?
    First time we went we stopped by St Kew. Lovely place. But it was just the narrowness of the roads and the lack of passing places.

    The road up to the cottage literally had no space either side. Totally hemmed in.

    Also with the roads being narrow and windy with stone either side rather than foliage in parts made not only pulling to one side an issue but having to reverse a bit of a worry, to let someone pass.

    The visit to Looe was not an issue by comparison in terms of where we stayed, just a couple of places we visited we had similar.

    The visit to the Healeys brewery was good.

    Neither of us drive much and I tend to cycle or walk locally.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 51,555

    Really sad to hear this news, met him a few times, and was a reader of PB.

    Journalist Patrick O’Flynn dies age 59

    Nigel Farage pays tribute to former Ukip MEP and political editor of Daily Express


    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2025/05/20/journalist-patrick-oflynn-dies-age-59/

    Farage and he weren't exactly the best of buddies.
  • isamisam Posts: 41,775
    edited May 20

    Really sad to hear this news, met him a few times, and was a reader of PB.

    Journalist Patrick O’Flynn dies age 59

    Nigel Farage pays tribute to former Ukip MEP and political editor of Daily Express


    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2025/05/20/journalist-patrick-oflynn-dies-age-59/

    Oh my word. I met Patrick a few times at UKIP dos around 2013-2015, and spoke online a lot with him in that period. He told me to back Farage to stand in South Thanet at 7/4 or North Thanet at 10/1 (about 6/5 a 1/100 shot) at the 2015 GE when Ladbrokes had a market on where he would try his luck.

    A lovely fellow. Fan of The Jam, football, and Brexit. What a shocking bit of news. RIP
  • Pagan2Pagan2 Posts: 11,519
    Taz said:

    Pagan2 said:

    Taz said:

    Pagan2 said:

    Pagan2 said:

    Taz said:

    Pagan2 said:

    Taz said:

    nico67 said:

    Cornwall is a part of the country that really feels different . I’ve been down loads of times to visit friends . As soon as you cross the Tamar Bridge it just feels like you’ve entered a different country in a very good way. It’s a unique place with a sense of mystery , the place names hark back to a different time, it’s almost out worldly .

    Cornwall is okay, we like Looe, but the narrow roads are fecking horrendous.
    How absolutely horrible of the townplanners of the 17th century not to consider the width needs of your suv
    I drive a Hyundai i10 😂😂😂😂

    I believe road widening is a concept that was implemented in other parts of the country.
    Perhaps you could just rent a sensible car instead of expecting others to adapt their road systems to your outsized penis mobile?
    rent a morris minor or something
    This is my ‘outsized penis mobile’ 🤡

    https://www.cinch.co.uk/used-cars/hyundai/i10/details/98690910-7b32-47f5-96df-1b3965e560bf?CID=ppc|google|paid|UK_EN_Google_Generic_Research_PMax|||||&gclsrc=aw.ds&gad_source=1&gad_campaignid=20697209697&gbraid=0AAAAACtVW9Jo-m6jhiLhaWYV7samRWwx-&gclid=Cj0KCQjw0LDBBhCnARIsAMpYlAqjqIPZ8HqMemzVGyovyO1pS3dgt_VtFlMnQ94NIzpTKe0Iwlzh4h8aAnoiEALw_wcB
    Well if it wont fit down roads its obviously too wide, I drove in cornwall all the time never found a round too narrow for my car. Even drove it in a bmw 320 when was my company car. I include all over cornwall in that including looe. What problems are you finding?
    First time we went we stopped by St Kew. Lovely place. But it was just the narrowness of the roads and the lack of passing places.

    The road up to the cottage literally had no space either side. Totally hemmed in.

    Also with the roads being narrow and windy with stone either side rather than foliage in parts made not only pulling to one side an issue but having to reverse a bit of a worry, to let someone pass.

    The visit to Looe was not an issue by comparison in terms of where we stayed, just a couple of places we visited we had similar.

    Neither of us drive much and I tend to cycle or walk.
    Well just saying I never had an issue with road width, I know a lot of emmets did especially the time they met my mother on the a narrow road and they got out of the car and demanded she reversed and she got out and then passed out drunk on the bank
  • TazTaz Posts: 18,350

    Really sad to hear this news, met him a few times, and was a reader of PB.

    Journalist Patrick O’Flynn dies age 59

    Nigel Farage pays tribute to former Ukip MEP and political editor of Daily Express


    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2025/05/20/journalist-patrick-oflynn-dies-age-59/

    Crikey, that’s sad. He’s the same age as me.
  • eekeek Posts: 30,024
    IanB2 said:

    Really sad to hear this news, met him a few times, and was a reader of PB.

    Journalist Patrick O’Flynn dies age 59

    Nigel Farage pays tribute to former Ukip MEP and political editor of Daily Express


    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2025/05/20/journalist-patrick-oflynn-dies-age-59/

    Farage and he weren't exactly the best of buddies.
    While true - Nigel at least knows when to say the appropriate thing

    https://x.com/Nigel_Farage/status/1924898697218846990

    Nigel Farage MP

    @Nigel_Farage
    So sad to hear of the passing of Patrick O’Flynn. Paddy was a great journalist, a great thinker, a great patriot and a titan of our joint cause.

    Thank you Paddy.
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 31,300
    Taz said:

    Really sad to hear this news, met him a few times, and was a reader of PB.

    Journalist Patrick O’Flynn dies age 59

    Nigel Farage pays tribute to former Ukip MEP and political editor of Daily Express


    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2025/05/20/journalist-patrick-oflynn-dies-age-59/

    Crikey, that’s sad. He’s the same age as me.
    Very sad, I enjoyed his writing.
  • TazTaz Posts: 18,350
    IanB2 said:

    Really sad to hear this news, met him a few times, and was a reader of PB.

    Journalist Patrick O’Flynn dies age 59

    Nigel Farage pays tribute to former Ukip MEP and political editor of Daily Express


    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2025/05/20/journalist-patrick-oflynn-dies-age-59/

    Farage and he weren't exactly the best of buddies.
    Someone else Saint Nigel was friendly with and fell out with ?
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 127,694
    edited May 20
    Most final polls in 2024 had Reform on 15-20% and they got 14% (only NumberCruncher underestimated them but had them close to their final result at 13%). So Reform as well as Labour were overestimated

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opinion_polling_for_the_2024_United_Kingdom_general_election
  • isamisam Posts: 41,775
    edited May 20
    Taz said:

    IanB2 said:

    Really sad to hear this news, met him a few times, and was a reader of PB.

    Journalist Patrick O’Flynn dies age 59

    Nigel Farage pays tribute to former Ukip MEP and political editor of Daily Express


    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2025/05/20/journalist-patrick-oflynn-dies-age-59/

    Farage and he weren't exactly the best of buddies.
    Someone else Saint Nigel was friendly with and fell out with ?
    I think they were friends. O'Flynn said Farage was at risk of appearing thin skinned during one of the tv debates I think, and maybe that damaged their friendship, but Patrick was tweeting support of Reform and Farage just last month, as well as calling him a friend

    Even Carswell, who Farage fell out with pretty spectacularly, seems to be supportive again now
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 127,694

    Really sad to hear this news, met him a few times, and was a reader of PB.

    Journalist Patrick O’Flynn dies age 59

    Nigel Farage pays tribute to former Ukip MEP and political editor of Daily Express


    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2025/05/20/journalist-patrick-oflynn-dies-age-59/

    RIP, he was UKIP candidate in Epping Forest in 2017
  • TazTaz Posts: 18,350
    Angela Rayner, working class heroine to some here, sent a letter to Reeves demanding increasing taxes on savers.

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2025/05/20/angela-rayner-demands-tax-raid-savers-rachel-reeves/
  • DopermeanDopermean Posts: 1,051

    IanB2 said:

    Nigel Farage missed the parliamentary debate on the biggest reset to Brexit since the referendum because he is overseas on holiday, the Reform UK leader has said. Following speculation that he was on holiday in France, Farage, who has not been seen in the Commons this week and did not present his GB News show on Monday, released a statement confirming he was away.

    Good for him for having a holiday - he sure as shit deserves one.

    However, Kemi has definitely made the most of it in his absence.
    HOC is in recess next week, the lazy f****r could have gone then. They pretty much get the school holidays plus another month in September/October.
  • Pagan2Pagan2 Posts: 11,519
    Taz said:

    Angela Rayner, working class heroine to some here, sent a letter to Reeves demanding increasing taxes on savers.

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2025/05/20/angela-rayner-demands-tax-raid-savers-rachel-reeves/

    I agree with her there should be an increased tax on slavers
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 35,469
    edited May 20
    Taz said:

    Angela Rayner, working class heroine to some here, sent a letter to Reeves demanding increasing taxes on savers.

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2025/05/20/angela-rayner-demands-tax-raid-savers-rachel-reeves/

    Sounds like a reasonable idea to me.

    Income from savings is taxed at 20% basic rate; income from working taxed at 28% (20% ICT + 8% NI).

    Why should unearned income be taxed less than earned income?
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 35,035
    Just got a notification for a new video.

    "A Beautiful Trip along the St Ives Bay Line!
    GLovesTrains"

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3cUGKz4qerw
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 51,555
    Taz said:

    Angela Rayner, working class heroine to some here, sent a letter to Reeves demanding increasing taxes on savers.

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2025/05/20/angela-rayner-demands-tax-raid-savers-rachel-reeves/

    When ISAs were first launched, the idea was to encourage ordinary folk to save by giving them a tax break. I don't think it was ever envisaged that over the years it would enable many pretty wealthy savers and investors to take so much of their investment income out of tax.
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 31,300
    Dopermean said:

    IanB2 said:

    Nigel Farage missed the parliamentary debate on the biggest reset to Brexit since the referendum because he is overseas on holiday, the Reform UK leader has said. Following speculation that he was on holiday in France, Farage, who has not been seen in the Commons this week and did not present his GB News show on Monday, released a statement confirming he was away.

    Good for him for having a holiday - he sure as shit deserves one.

    However, Kemi has definitely made the most of it in his absence.
    HOC is in recess next week, the lazy f****r could have gone then. They pretty much get the school holidays plus another month in September/October.
    Whatever else he can be called, I don't think lazy is it.
  • BlancheLivermoreBlancheLivermore Posts: 6,384

    Taz said:

    Angela Rayner, working class heroine to some here, sent a letter to Reeves demanding increasing taxes on savers.

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2025/05/20/angela-rayner-demands-tax-raid-savers-rachel-reeves/

    Sounds like a reasonable idea to me.

    Income from savings is taxed at 20% basic rate; income from working taxed at 28% (20% ICT + 8% NI).

    Why should unearned income be taxed less than earned income?
    If it's savings from already taxed earned income, why should it be taxed again?
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 127,694
    edited May 20
    Australia's Liberal National coalition splits after 80 years as the Liberals move back to the liberal centre after Dutton's hard right campaign was heavily defeated while the Nationals remain solidly conservative and as the 2 parties differ on issues like nuclear power.

    The 2 parties will still likely preference each other though under Australia's 2PP voting system
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cev4dve4970o
  • Pagan2Pagan2 Posts: 11,519

    Taz said:

    Angela Rayner, working class heroine to some here, sent a letter to Reeves demanding increasing taxes on savers.

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2025/05/20/angela-rayner-demands-tax-raid-savers-rachel-reeves/

    Sounds like a reasonable idea to me.

    Income from savings is taxed at 20% basic rate; income from working taxed at 28% (20% ICT + 8% NI).

    Why should unearned income be taxed less than earned income?
    If it's savings from already taxed earned income, why should it be taxed again?
    Because governments never believe there is such a thing as too much tax
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 14,340

    Dopermean said:

    IanB2 said:

    Nigel Farage missed the parliamentary debate on the biggest reset to Brexit since the referendum because he is overseas on holiday, the Reform UK leader has said. Following speculation that he was on holiday in France, Farage, who has not been seen in the Commons this week and did not present his GB News show on Monday, released a statement confirming he was away.

    Good for him for having a holiday - he sure as shit deserves one.

    However, Kemi has definitely made the most of it in his absence.
    HOC is in recess next week, the lazy f****r could have gone then. They pretty much get the school holidays plus another month in September/October.
    Whatever else he can be called, I don't think lazy is it.
    He does f all constituency work. He frequently misses Commons sessions, as he always missed European Parliament sessions. He's pretty lazy.
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 31,300

    Dopermean said:

    IanB2 said:

    Nigel Farage missed the parliamentary debate on the biggest reset to Brexit since the referendum because he is overseas on holiday, the Reform UK leader has said. Following speculation that he was on holiday in France, Farage, who has not been seen in the Commons this week and did not present his GB News show on Monday, released a statement confirming he was away.

    Good for him for having a holiday - he sure as shit deserves one.

    However, Kemi has definitely made the most of it in his absence.
    HOC is in recess next week, the lazy f****r could have gone then. They pretty much get the school holidays plus another month in September/October.
    Whatever else he can be called, I don't think lazy is it.
    He does f all constituency work. He frequently misses Commons sessions, as he always missed European Parliament sessions. He's pretty lazy.
    Links please.
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 14,340

    Taz said:

    Angela Rayner, working class heroine to some here, sent a letter to Reeves demanding increasing taxes on savers.

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2025/05/20/angela-rayner-demands-tax-raid-savers-rachel-reeves/

    Sounds like a reasonable idea to me.

    Income from savings is taxed at 20% basic rate; income from working taxed at 28% (20% ICT + 8% NI).

    Why should unearned income be taxed less than earned income?
    If it's savings from already taxed earned income, why should it be taxed again?
    Well, currently you get taxed when you get paid for a job, and then when you spend that money, you pay VAT. If you employ someone with your money, you have to pay NI contributions. That person then pays tax on what you pay them. Money is always being taxed again and again as it moves around the economy.

    In this case, you aren't being taxed on the savings themselves, only on the interest you get, which is new money.
  • Pagan2Pagan2 Posts: 11,519

    Dopermean said:

    IanB2 said:

    Nigel Farage missed the parliamentary debate on the biggest reset to Brexit since the referendum because he is overseas on holiday, the Reform UK leader has said. Following speculation that he was on holiday in France, Farage, who has not been seen in the Commons this week and did not present his GB News show on Monday, released a statement confirming he was away.

    Good for him for having a holiday - he sure as shit deserves one.

    However, Kemi has definitely made the most of it in his absence.
    HOC is in recess next week, the lazy f****r could have gone then. They pretty much get the school holidays plus another month in September/October.
    Whatever else he can be called, I don't think lazy is it.
    He does f all constituency work. He frequently misses Commons sessions, as he always missed European Parliament sessions. He's pretty lazy.
    The less time mp's spend in parliament passing laws the better for all of us, frankly it not having anyone turning up for 50 years might be better because all they do is make life more shit
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 44,255
    Leon said:

    carnforth said:

    Leon said:

    carnforth said:

    Leon said:

    carnforth said:

    So that's a second Ukrainian born builder wannabe model that has been charged with firebombing Starmers property....they don't scream FSB.

    Imagine you are FSB and want to smear Ukraine and Starmer at the same time. Hire some young amateur male models, sifting for Ukrainians, and pay them a couple of grand each to do some inept arson.

    To be clear, no evidence either of them were ever paid to be a model. They just signed up with a website and had some photos taken. This is how they may have been contacted. And neither of them are attractive. Though the second is sort of weird-attractive, which models can be.
    If that is what the FSB have done, I for one salute them for their narrative genius
    I should also add that, if they were rent boys, I guarantee the profiles would have been found. So it's safe to assume they aren't.
    Why are you so oddly keen to clear this up when the fact is - we don't know anything - it's just very weird?
    I'm not! I just like my pet theory.

    Actually, the basis of the theory is that the knowledge of Starmer's old house and old car can only have come from a state actor - i.e Russia. It's not something a random terrorist is likely to be able to research.
    The address of his old house is on companies house. And the fact they didn't know he had sold his car last year, but is the one that appears using a google inage search . That rather points to amateur hour.
    If the past few years have told us anything, its that amateur hour doesn't rule out the Russians.
    Not really FSB themselves have continued to be highly effective. How many balcony slips have there been, including in the UK. They are long gone by the time authorities put two and two together.

    If its was hire useful idiots for plausible deniability then perhaps. What was that 80s movie with Chevy Chase and Dan Ackroid which was that premise.
    The definition of a "useful idiot" is the guy who did the Trump sassytempt

    Evidence found in his car and apartment supports the idea he expected to somehow SURVIVE shooting at Donald Trump from 50 yards away, with about 200 FBI snipers all around

    How the F did he form that insane impression?
    or he was fed some crap that it would be ok
  • TazTaz Posts: 18,350
    IanB2 said:

    Taz said:

    Angela Rayner, working class heroine to some here, sent a letter to Reeves demanding increasing taxes on savers.

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2025/05/20/angela-rayner-demands-tax-raid-savers-rachel-reeves/

    When ISAs were first launched, the idea was to encourage ordinary folk to save by giving them a tax break. I don't think it was ever envisaged that over the years it would enable many pretty wealthy savers and investors to take so much of their investment income out of tax.
    Also one thing Reeves has done I agree with, the wealthy also use SIPPs to simply transfer wealth to inheritors free of tax. She’s right to close that loophole.

    As for ISA’s looks like she’s not touching them. She’d got city firms demanding she change the rules on cash ISA’s so they can get their hands on the money to invest, at a small fee, and banks wanting no change as they get the deposits.

    Ideally some changes should be made but it’s a problem for her. Same with the pensions changes to ‘invest in Britain’. I wouldn’t want any pension money of mine invested in illiquid assets. I wonder how many people would.
  • DopermeanDopermean Posts: 1,051
    IanB2 said:

    Taz said:

    Angela Rayner, working class heroine to some here, sent a letter to Reeves demanding increasing taxes on savers.

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2025/05/20/angela-rayner-demands-tax-raid-savers-rachel-reeves/

    When ISAs were first launched, the idea was to encourage ordinary folk to save by giving them a tax break. I don't think it was ever envisaged that over the years it would enable many pretty wealthy savers and investors to take so much of their investment income out of tax.
    Doesn't mention ISAs, closing the avoidance loophole of owning your home via a company seems sensible though doesn't bring in much.

    Pension lifetime allowance should be indexlinked if a limit returns. If people don't save for a pension, the Govt will just end up having to pay their care home costs.
  • Pagan2Pagan2 Posts: 11,519
    Taz said:

    IanB2 said:

    Taz said:

    Angela Rayner, working class heroine to some here, sent a letter to Reeves demanding increasing taxes on savers.

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2025/05/20/angela-rayner-demands-tax-raid-savers-rachel-reeves/

    When ISAs were first launched, the idea was to encourage ordinary folk to save by giving them a tax break. I don't think it was ever envisaged that over the years it would enable many pretty wealthy savers and investors to take so much of their investment income out of tax.
    Also one thing Reeves has done I agree with, the wealthy also use SIPPs to simply transfer wealth to inheritors free of tax. She’s right to close that loophole.

    As for ISA’s looks like she’s not touching them. She’d got city firms demanding she change the rules on cash ISA’s so they can get their hands on the money to invest, at a small fee, and banks wanting no change as they get the deposits.

    Ideally some changes should be made but it’s a problem for her. Same with the pensions changes to ‘invest in Britain’. I wouldn’t want any pension money of mine invested in illiquid assets. I wonder how many people would.
    Let reeves have public sector pension funds as long as the rest of us aren't on the hook for shortfalls. I am sure the public sector has faith in reeves investment plans as they are the party of the public sector
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 51,555

    Taz said:

    Angela Rayner, working class heroine to some here, sent a letter to Reeves demanding increasing taxes on savers.

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2025/05/20/angela-rayner-demands-tax-raid-savers-rachel-reeves/

    Sounds like a reasonable idea to me.

    Income from savings is taxed at 20% basic rate; income from working taxed at 28% (20% ICT + 8% NI).

    Why should unearned income be taxed less than earned income?
    If it's savings from already taxed earned income, why should it be taxed again?
    It's the new income that's being taxed, not the original saving or investment.

    Anyhow, VAT is paid out of taxed income - there you might have a point.
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