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  • Pagan2Pagan2 Posts: 11,519

    Is there any particular part of Cornwall where the language is stronger?

    Anywhere they see the cream placed on first, then jam on top, results in pretty strong language.
    Well we regard the devonian style as an abomination
  • LeonLeon Posts: 60,959

    Is there any particular part of Cornwall where the language is stronger?

    Inside the dark heart of @Pagan2's most recent ayahuasca trip?
  • Pagan2Pagan2 Posts: 11,519
    Leon said:

    Is there any particular part of Cornwall where the language is stronger?

    Inside the dark heart of @Pagan2's most recent ayahuasca trip?
    You are cornish in the same way that Irish americans are irish, take your pish elsewhere
  • LeonLeon Posts: 60,959
    Pagan2 said:

    Leon said:

    Is there any particular part of Cornwall where the language is stronger?

    Inside the dark heart of @Pagan2's most recent ayahuasca trip?
    You are cornish in the same way that Irish americans are irish, take your pish elsewhere
    Oh cheer up. I am gently teasing
  • Pagan2Pagan2 Posts: 11,519
    Leon said:

    Pagan2 said:

    Leon said:

    Is there any particular part of Cornwall where the language is stronger?

    Inside the dark heart of @Pagan2's most recent ayahuasca trip?
    You are cornish in the same way that Irish americans are irish, take your pish elsewhere
    Oh cheer up. I am gently teasing
    You weren't even born in cornwall you idiot you only claim to being cornish is your father....plastic paddy land
  • LeonLeon Posts: 60,959
    MaxPB said:

    carnforth said:

    "An Egyptian fisherman who helped organise the movement of more than 3,000 migrants as part of a £12 million illegal boat crossing operation has been jailed for 25 years.

    UK-based Ahmed Ebid, 42, was involved in smuggling nearly 3,800 people from North Africa to Italy between October 2022 and June 2023, with some making their way to Britain, the National Crime Agency (NCA) said."

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/ce399l1329lo

    He arrived in the UK on a small boat in 2022 after spending five years in jail in Italy for attempted drug smuggling. He applied for asylum in the UK but never received a decision.

    Ebid, whose wife and sons are in the UK, had been living in Home Office-funded accommodation in south-west London at the time of his arrest.
    Literally deport them all, take their fingerprints and if they ever try and return deport them instantly with no recourse to appeal. This country is a joke.
    It makes me want to weep

    This fucker was in "Home Office Accommodation" with his wife and kids. That's nice for him. Me and you were paying his fucking rent as he trafficked hostile people into the UK, or threw people overboard into the Channel

    This is why we need Reform. We need seriously brutal remedies for all this. Enough
  • StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 10,006
    Nigelb said:

    Thanks, JD.

    Vance: “We should be able to move beyond the mistakes that have been made in the past…If Russia is not willing to do that, then we’re eventually just going to say, ‘This is not our war. It’s Joe Biden’s war, it’s Vladimir Putin’s war. It’s not our war.’"
    https://x.com/BulwarkOnline/status/1924488728673767734

    That’s actually just creates an incentive for Putin not to cooperate
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 38,503
    @jbendery.bsky.social‬

    NEW: Senate Democrats are introducing a new bill today -- the DOGE BROS Act -- that drastically increases the punishments on people who meddle in sensitive government data without authorization.

    Come for the story, stay for the acronym.

    https://bsky.app/profile/jbendery.bsky.social/post/3lpmguxz6mc2d
  • MattWMattW Posts: 27,291
    FPT:

    Apparently DOGE fired a bunch of weather forecasters, so the US can't issue weather warnings for tornadoes overnight, quite likely leading to some avoidable deaths recently.

    The measure of the insanity that has gripped the US is that, despite this and other instances of spectacular unfitness for office, cowardice, corruption, and being a traitor to the country, Trump's net approval rating is only -5.8.

    This is the sort of thing in store for Britain if Farage becomes PM.

    No worries - I'm sure they will abolish the organisation that counts the deaths !
  • LeonLeon Posts: 60,959
    edited May 20
    Pagan2 said:

    Leon said:

    Pagan2 said:

    Leon said:

    Is there any particular part of Cornwall where the language is stronger?

    Inside the dark heart of @Pagan2's most recent ayahuasca trip?
    You are cornish in the same way that Irish americans are irish, take your pish elsewhere
    Oh cheer up. I am gently teasing
    You weren't even born in cornwall you idiot you only claim to being cornish is your father....plastic paddy land
    Well, that and my Cornish mother. And Cornish grandmother, and Cornish grandfather on my Cornish mother's side, and oh yes my Cornish grandmother and Cornish grandfather, on my Cornish father's side, and all their Cornish parents, and all THEIR Cornish parents. And all THEIR Cornish parents. And the fact my Cornish grandmother - Annie Maud Jory - was so Cornish she was one of the last little girls to work up at grass as a bal maiden in a Cornish tin mine - at St Agnes in Cornwall. And then there's my Cornish cousins who actually founded Cornish Solidarity. And my other Cornish cousins in Mebyon Kernow, the Sons of Cornwall

    And the fact that my Cornish sister and her Cornish relatives and my Cornish niece and Cornish nephew live on the beautiful outskirts of Falmouth in Cornwall about two miles from where our Cornish ancestors provably lived in the 12th century around Constantine, Helford and Gweek. In Cornwall

    And my mum makes a fucking great pasty. And ace saffron buns

    Yep, apart from that, not Cornish at all

  • algarkirkalgarkirk Posts: 14,324
    edited May 20
    Leon said:

    Pagan2 said:

    Leon said:

    kinabalu said:

    Leon said:

    Interesting article talking to Devon fishermen:

    https://www.theguardian.com/business/2025/may/20/its-a-disaster-uk-fishers-angered-by-latest-uk-eu-deal

    "Paul Dyer, who worked on boats for 17 years before becoming a superintendent responsible for the management of a fleet, said: “The EU boats were only supposed to be able to fish in our waters for another year. Now it’s going to be another 12 years. It means a lot less income for UK fishermen.”

    WTAF did these people expect? That the (clearly terrible) Boris deal would expire and then there would be no more EU boats? But they expect access to EU waters? Someone needs to explain reality to them.

    These people are all gonna go to Reform, you can read it between the lines

    Farage, potentially, might win an epochal, landslide victory
    You overestimate the impact of the fisherman vote, I think. Perhaps because you're from Cornwall.
    I see that, in the Cornish dialect, there are several words which don't mean what pne might expect.

    "Allycumpooster", means alright, whereas "Onan Hag Oll" does not extend the obscene theme also to include ageism and sexism, but is the national motto : "One and all." How widespread are proper Cornish-speakers these days ?
    I believe @Pagan2's mum is the last known native speaker of Cornish
    Do give over you complete and utter fuckwit, just because the intelligentsia claimed a language was dead didn't mean it didnt exist outside their intellectual ambit...before my parents all my grand parents spoke a language that wasn't english....if it wasn't cornish what was it? Especially coming from an idiot like you that claims to be cornish but grew up in hereford....you are the equivalalent of what the irish call a plastic paddy
    You seem to believe I am criticising

    I am not. I am celebrating your remarkable philological life story, as something unprecedented. An extraordinary linguistic survival of a hitherto-presumed-dead Celtic language, somehow clinging on tenaciously in Slough
    Matthew Arnold liked Slough. What did he say?
    "That sweet City with her dreaming spires, home of lost causes, heard to be whispering from her towers the last enchantments of the Middle Ages".

    Which may be why Slough is the only place in Western Europe with a small community of people whose first language is a dialect of Aztec Nahuatl.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 35,035
    "Statistically speaking… How long can the next Pope expect to live?
    By Julian Stander & Mario Cortina Borja"

    https://significancemagazine.com/statistically-speaking-how-long-can-the-next-pope-expect-to-live/
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 38,757

    On topic. I’m taking the opposite psephological position to you on this TSE.

    We need to recognise how something different to UNS happened last year, seat by seat, FPTP is seat by seat election. Remember, anecdotally, Last June, Tory PBers crying foul - there’s an unofficial secret alliance between Labour and LibDems! Labour barely campaigning in this LibDem target, just right next door, LibDems not campaigning much in this Labour target.

    The Psephological fact in this discussion, efficiency/inefficiency of the July 24 vote.

    Lab 33.7% - 412 seats
    LibDem 12.2% - 72 seats;
    Conservatives 23.7% - 121 seats.
    Green 6.7% - 4 seats.
    Populists with unworkable policies 14.3% - 5 seats.

    How many LibDem seats rely on squeezed Labour and Green votes, how many Labour seats with voters who said Libdem or Green to pollsters for many years, before voting differently? Where poll of polling today has Reform 29% Labour 22% - UNS will say one thing, but the efficiency/inefficiency of the last General Election suggests something else.

    Looking forwards based on we know what happened last year, we know how, to consider not just why, but find what changes in this motivation of voters during 2024 to 2029. Whatever polling is like between now and next election, we see through UNS to find evidence why 2024 result will be different at next General Election in terms of efficiency/inefficiency.

    Anecdotally we have the number of PBers, surprising names, who traditionally vote Conservative, posting they would consider voting something else to stop a Prime Minister Farage and Trump/Reform ideology in government. I suggest at this particular moment in time, nothing has changed. Tory economic credibility still being rebuilt keeps Labour in power, vast majority of voters will vote at a General Election to prevent Reform from winning their constituency, creating massive vote inefficiency for Reform.

    What created the particular 2024 election may be little changed at next General Election voting day, if anything even more of a stop Farage election truly motivating 75% of votes cast. Conservative and Reform up in seats, at expense of Labour and Libdems, not in anyway to dramatically change May 29 result from looking similar to 2024 result.

    The two big differences with last July are:

    1. The Right vote is bigger, (c.48% as opposed to 39%)

    2. The Right vote is more efficient. Local council results showed former Conservatives switching in droves to Reform, in places where the latter could defeat Labour.
  • Pagan2Pagan2 Posts: 11,519
    Leon said:

    Pagan2 said:

    Leon said:

    Pagan2 said:

    Leon said:

    Is there any particular part of Cornwall where the language is stronger?

    Inside the dark heart of @Pagan2's most recent ayahuasca trip?
    You are cornish in the same way that Irish americans are irish, take your pish elsewhere
    Oh cheer up. I am gently teasing
    You weren't even born in cornwall you idiot you only claim to being cornish is your father....plastic paddy land
    Well, that and my Cornish mother. And Cornish grandmother, and Cornish grandfather on my Cornish mother's side, and oh yes my Cornish grandmother and Cornish grandfather, on my Cornish father's side, and all their Cornish parents, and all THEIR Cornish parents. And all THEIR Cornish parents. And the fact my Cornish grandmother - Annie Maud Jory - was so Cornish she was one of the last little girls to work up at grass as a bal maiden in a Cornish tin mine - at St Agnes in Cornwall. And then there's my Cornish cousins who actually founded Cornish Solidarity. And my other Cornish cousins in Mebyon Kernow, the Sons of Cornwall

    And the fact that my Cornish sister and her Cornish relatives and my Cornish niece and Cornish neohew live on the beautiful outskirts of Falmouth in Cornwall about two miles from where our Cornish ancestors provably lived in the 12th century around Constantine, Helford and Gweek. In Cornwall

    And my mum makes a fucking great pasty. And ace saffron buns

    Yep, apart from that, not Cornish at all

    You were born in devon, you lived in hereford

    Someone with the same background as you that was born in boston usa, lived in the usa is a plastic paddy not irish....you are not cornish you just have good antecedents and a plastic cornishman....sorry if the truth hurts you are no more cornish than a ginsters pasty
  • MattWMattW Posts: 27,291

    Interesting article talking to Devon fishermen:

    https://www.theguardian.com/business/2025/may/20/its-a-disaster-uk-fishers-angered-by-latest-uk-eu-deal

    "Paul Dyer, who worked on boats for 17 years before becoming a superintendent responsible for the management of a fleet, said: “The EU boats were only supposed to be able to fish in our waters for another year. Now it’s going to be another 12 years. It means a lot less income for UK fishermen.”

    WTAF did these people expect? That the (clearly terrible) Boris deal would expire and then there would be no more EU boats? But they expect access to EU waters? Someone needs to explain reality to them.

    Back when Boris signed the deal the fishermen were complaining about the substantially increased costs they incurred in selling their fish across the Channel. Now their costs have been substantially reduced they're still complaining.

    Standing well back I suspect that there's a good case for reviewing the amount of each species caught and how, including all marine edibles.

    Look at what's happened to the Newfoundland cod fisheries!
    That is, I think, an annual process. The question is making the pols follow the scientific advice.

    I note that in general the quota setting processes that we negotiate with Norway etc are now being completed early enough to predate the fishing season, apart from with the Faroes. TBF that was improved by the last Government too after the initial Chaotica-Boris period.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 60,959
    Pagan2 said:

    Leon said:

    Pagan2 said:

    Leon said:

    Pagan2 said:

    Leon said:

    Is there any particular part of Cornwall where the language is stronger?

    Inside the dark heart of @Pagan2's most recent ayahuasca trip?
    You are cornish in the same way that Irish americans are irish, take your pish elsewhere
    Oh cheer up. I am gently teasing
    You weren't even born in cornwall you idiot you only claim to being cornish is your father....plastic paddy land
    Well, that and my Cornish mother. And Cornish grandmother, and Cornish grandfather on my Cornish mother's side, and oh yes my Cornish grandmother and Cornish grandfather, on my Cornish father's side, and all their Cornish parents, and all THEIR Cornish parents. And all THEIR Cornish parents. And the fact my Cornish grandmother - Annie Maud Jory - was so Cornish she was one of the last little girls to work up at grass as a bal maiden in a Cornish tin mine - at St Agnes in Cornwall. And then there's my Cornish cousins who actually founded Cornish Solidarity. And my other Cornish cousins in Mebyon Kernow, the Sons of Cornwall

    And the fact that my Cornish sister and her Cornish relatives and my Cornish niece and Cornish neohew live on the beautiful outskirts of Falmouth in Cornwall about two miles from where our Cornish ancestors provably lived in the 12th century around Constantine, Helford and Gweek. In Cornwall

    And my mum makes a fucking great pasty. And ace saffron buns

    Yep, apart from that, not Cornish at all

    You were born in devon, you lived in hereford

    Someone with the same background as you that was born in boston usa, lived in the usa is a plastic paddy not irish....you are not cornish you just have good antecedents and a plastic cornishman....sorry if the truth hurts you are no more cornish than a ginsters pasty
    You can't be Cornish because you can't take even the mildest joke at your expense, whereas a salty ability to self deprecate is a known trait of the Cornubians

    I forgot to mention my Cornish great ggggggggggg grandfather who got dispossessed of his Cornish manor because of his major role in the Cornish Rebellion
  • algarkirkalgarkirk Posts: 14,324
    Andy_JS said:

    "Statistically speaking… How long can the next Pope expect to live?
    By Julian Stander & Mario Cortina Borja"

    https://significancemagazine.com/statistically-speaking-how-long-can-the-next-pope-expect-to-live/

    Theer have been about 266 in about 2000 years, so not long. 7.5 years approx.
  • Pagan2Pagan2 Posts: 11,519
    Leon said:

    Pagan2 said:

    Leon said:

    Pagan2 said:

    Leon said:

    Pagan2 said:

    Leon said:

    Is there any particular part of Cornwall where the language is stronger?

    Inside the dark heart of @Pagan2's most recent ayahuasca trip?
    You are cornish in the same way that Irish americans are irish, take your pish elsewhere
    Oh cheer up. I am gently teasing
    You weren't even born in cornwall you idiot you only claim to being cornish is your father....plastic paddy land
    Well, that and my Cornish mother. And Cornish grandmother, and Cornish grandfather on my Cornish mother's side, and oh yes my Cornish grandmother and Cornish grandfather, on my Cornish father's side, and all their Cornish parents, and all THEIR Cornish parents. And all THEIR Cornish parents. And the fact my Cornish grandmother - Annie Maud Jory - was so Cornish she was one of the last little girls to work up at grass as a bal maiden in a Cornish tin mine - at St Agnes in Cornwall. And then there's my Cornish cousins who actually founded Cornish Solidarity. And my other Cornish cousins in Mebyon Kernow, the Sons of Cornwall

    And the fact that my Cornish sister and her Cornish relatives and my Cornish niece and Cornish neohew live on the beautiful outskirts of Falmouth in Cornwall about two miles from where our Cornish ancestors provably lived in the 12th century around Constantine, Helford and Gweek. In Cornwall

    And my mum makes a fucking great pasty. And ace saffron buns

    Yep, apart from that, not Cornish at all

    You were born in devon, you lived in hereford

    Someone with the same background as you that was born in boston usa, lived in the usa is a plastic paddy not irish....you are not cornish you just have good antecedents and a plastic cornishman....sorry if the truth hurts you are no more cornish than a ginsters pasty
    You can't be Cornish because you can't take even the mildest joke at your expense, whereas a salty ability to self deprecate is a known trait of the Cornubians

    I forgot to mention my Cornish great ggggggggggg grandfather who got dispossessed of his Cornish manor because of his major role in the Cornish Rebellion
    Big deal my family fought along side an gof....sorry you may have antecedents but in the same way having irish parents and grandparent but growing up elsewhere doesnt make you irish you are just fake cornish.
  • guyathertonguyatherton Posts: 4
    Is Smithson dead?
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 54,186
    Pagan2 said:

    Leon said:

    Pagan2 said:

    Leon said:

    Pagan2 said:

    Leon said:

    Is there any particular part of Cornwall where the language is stronger?

    Inside the dark heart of @Pagan2's most recent ayahuasca trip?
    You are cornish in the same way that Irish americans are irish, take your pish elsewhere
    Oh cheer up. I am gently teasing
    You weren't even born in cornwall you idiot you only claim to being cornish is your father....plastic paddy land
    Well, that and my Cornish mother. And Cornish grandmother, and Cornish grandfather on my Cornish mother's side, and oh yes my Cornish grandmother and Cornish grandfather, on my Cornish father's side, and all their Cornish parents, and all THEIR Cornish parents. And all THEIR Cornish parents. And the fact my Cornish grandmother - Annie Maud Jory - was so Cornish she was one of the last little girls to work up at grass as a bal maiden in a Cornish tin mine - at St Agnes in Cornwall. And then there's my Cornish cousins who actually founded Cornish Solidarity. And my other Cornish cousins in Mebyon Kernow, the Sons of Cornwall

    And the fact that my Cornish sister and her Cornish relatives and my Cornish niece and Cornish neohew live on the beautiful outskirts of Falmouth in Cornwall about two miles from where our Cornish ancestors provably lived in the 12th century around Constantine, Helford and Gweek. In Cornwall

    And my mum makes a fucking great pasty. And ace saffron buns

    Yep, apart from that, not Cornish at all

    You were born in devon, you lived in hereford

    Someone with the same background as you that was born in boston usa, lived in the usa is a plastic paddy not irish....you are not cornish you just have good antecedents and a plastic cornishman....sorry if the truth hurts you are no more cornish than a ginsters pasty
    Is it vegan??
  • Pagan2Pagan2 Posts: 11,519

    Pagan2 said:

    Leon said:

    Pagan2 said:

    Leon said:

    Pagan2 said:

    Leon said:

    Is there any particular part of Cornwall where the language is stronger?

    Inside the dark heart of @Pagan2's most recent ayahuasca trip?
    You are cornish in the same way that Irish americans are irish, take your pish elsewhere
    Oh cheer up. I am gently teasing
    You weren't even born in cornwall you idiot you only claim to being cornish is your father....plastic paddy land
    Well, that and my Cornish mother. And Cornish grandmother, and Cornish grandfather on my Cornish mother's side, and oh yes my Cornish grandmother and Cornish grandfather, on my Cornish father's side, and all their Cornish parents, and all THEIR Cornish parents. And all THEIR Cornish parents. And the fact my Cornish grandmother - Annie Maud Jory - was so Cornish she was one of the last little girls to work up at grass as a bal maiden in a Cornish tin mine - at St Agnes in Cornwall. And then there's my Cornish cousins who actually founded Cornish Solidarity. And my other Cornish cousins in Mebyon Kernow, the Sons of Cornwall

    And the fact that my Cornish sister and her Cornish relatives and my Cornish niece and Cornish neohew live on the beautiful outskirts of Falmouth in Cornwall about two miles from where our Cornish ancestors provably lived in the 12th century around Constantine, Helford and Gweek. In Cornwall

    And my mum makes a fucking great pasty. And ace saffron buns

    Yep, apart from that, not Cornish at all

    You were born in devon, you lived in hereford

    Someone with the same background as you that was born in boston usa, lived in the usa is a plastic paddy not irish....you are not cornish you just have good antecedents and a plastic cornishman....sorry if the truth hurts you are no more cornish than a ginsters pasty
    Is it vegan??
    A ginsters pasty is not really edible so no idea if it is vegan or not
  • LeonLeon Posts: 60,959
    Pagan2 said:

    Leon said:

    Pagan2 said:

    Leon said:

    Pagan2 said:

    Leon said:

    Pagan2 said:

    Leon said:

    Is there any particular part of Cornwall where the language is stronger?

    Inside the dark heart of @Pagan2's most recent ayahuasca trip?
    You are cornish in the same way that Irish americans are irish, take your pish elsewhere
    Oh cheer up. I am gently teasing
    You weren't even born in cornwall you idiot you only claim to being cornish is your father....plastic paddy land
    Well, that and my Cornish mother. And Cornish grandmother, and Cornish grandfather on my Cornish mother's side, and oh yes my Cornish grandmother and Cornish grandfather, on my Cornish father's side, and all their Cornish parents, and all THEIR Cornish parents. And all THEIR Cornish parents. And the fact my Cornish grandmother - Annie Maud Jory - was so Cornish she was one of the last little girls to work up at grass as a bal maiden in a Cornish tin mine - at St Agnes in Cornwall. And then there's my Cornish cousins who actually founded Cornish Solidarity. And my other Cornish cousins in Mebyon Kernow, the Sons of Cornwall

    And the fact that my Cornish sister and her Cornish relatives and my Cornish niece and Cornish neohew live on the beautiful outskirts of Falmouth in Cornwall about two miles from where our Cornish ancestors provably lived in the 12th century around Constantine, Helford and Gweek. In Cornwall

    And my mum makes a fucking great pasty. And ace saffron buns

    Yep, apart from that, not Cornish at all

    You were born in devon, you lived in hereford

    Someone with the same background as you that was born in boston usa, lived in the usa is a plastic paddy not irish....you are not cornish you just have good antecedents and a plastic cornishman....sorry if the truth hurts you are no more cornish than a ginsters pasty
    You can't be Cornish because you can't take even the mildest joke at your expense, whereas a salty ability to self deprecate is a known trait of the Cornubians

    I forgot to mention my Cornish great ggggggggggg grandfather who got dispossessed of his Cornish manor because of his major role in the Cornish Rebellion
    Big deal my family fought along side an gof....sorry you may have antecedents but in the same way having irish parents and grandparent but growing up elsewhere doesnt make you irish you are just fake cornish.
    Actually, we might be similarly Cornish as this is exactly the kind of conversation you overhear in a mad old pub somewhere near St Erth or Gwennap or Marazion on a cold December evening
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 40,061
    Leon said:

    MaxPB said:

    carnforth said:

    "An Egyptian fisherman who helped organise the movement of more than 3,000 migrants as part of a £12 million illegal boat crossing operation has been jailed for 25 years.

    UK-based Ahmed Ebid, 42, was involved in smuggling nearly 3,800 people from North Africa to Italy between October 2022 and June 2023, with some making their way to Britain, the National Crime Agency (NCA) said."

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/ce399l1329lo

    He arrived in the UK on a small boat in 2022 after spending five years in jail in Italy for attempted drug smuggling. He applied for asylum in the UK but never received a decision.

    Ebid, whose wife and sons are in the UK, had been living in Home Office-funded accommodation in south-west London at the time of his arrest.
    Literally deport them all, take their fingerprints and if they ever try and return deport them instantly with no recourse to appeal. This country is a joke.
    It makes me want to weep

    This fucker was in "Home Office Accommodation" with his wife and kids. That's nice for him. Me and you were paying his fucking rent as he trafficked hostile people into the UK, or threw people overboard into the Channel

    This is why we need Reform. We need seriously brutal remedies for all this. Enough
    Predictably when this dickhead gets out of jail he'll win a court case to remain in the country on the basis that his wife and child have adjusted to life here and he can't be separated from his family. No, fuck the jail sentence, deport him now to Italy or Egypt. We have no need to have this fucker in our jails taking up space and resources all while we lose the ability to deport him and his family. They all should be on the plane tomorrow.
  • Pagan2Pagan2 Posts: 11,519
    Leon said:

    Pagan2 said:

    Leon said:

    Pagan2 said:

    Leon said:

    Pagan2 said:

    Leon said:

    Pagan2 said:

    Leon said:

    Is there any particular part of Cornwall where the language is stronger?

    Inside the dark heart of @Pagan2's most recent ayahuasca trip?
    You are cornish in the same way that Irish americans are irish, take your pish elsewhere
    Oh cheer up. I am gently teasing
    You weren't even born in cornwall you idiot you only claim to being cornish is your father....plastic paddy land
    Well, that and my Cornish mother. And Cornish grandmother, and Cornish grandfather on my Cornish mother's side, and oh yes my Cornish grandmother and Cornish grandfather, on my Cornish father's side, and all their Cornish parents, and all THEIR Cornish parents. And all THEIR Cornish parents. And the fact my Cornish grandmother - Annie Maud Jory - was so Cornish she was one of the last little girls to work up at grass as a bal maiden in a Cornish tin mine - at St Agnes in Cornwall. And then there's my Cornish cousins who actually founded Cornish Solidarity. And my other Cornish cousins in Mebyon Kernow, the Sons of Cornwall

    And the fact that my Cornish sister and her Cornish relatives and my Cornish niece and Cornish neohew live on the beautiful outskirts of Falmouth in Cornwall about two miles from where our Cornish ancestors provably lived in the 12th century around Constantine, Helford and Gweek. In Cornwall

    And my mum makes a fucking great pasty. And ace saffron buns

    Yep, apart from that, not Cornish at all

    You were born in devon, you lived in hereford

    Someone with the same background as you that was born in boston usa, lived in the usa is a plastic paddy not irish....you are not cornish you just have good antecedents and a plastic cornishman....sorry if the truth hurts you are no more cornish than a ginsters pasty
    You can't be Cornish because you can't take even the mildest joke at your expense, whereas a salty ability to self deprecate is a known trait of the Cornubians

    I forgot to mention my Cornish great ggggggggggg grandfather who got dispossessed of his Cornish manor because of his major role in the Cornish Rebellion
    Big deal my family fought along side an gof....sorry you may have antecedents but in the same way having irish parents and grandparent but growing up elsewhere doesnt make you irish you are just fake cornish.
    Actually, we might be similarly Cornish as this is exactly the kind of conversation you overhear in a mad old pub somewhere near St Erth or Gwennap or Marazion on a cold December evening
    Apart from I was born in cornwall, grew up in cornwall and you didn't.....you grew up english
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 77,570
    Leon said:

    Pagan2 said:

    Leon said:

    Pagan2 said:

    Leon said:

    Pagan2 said:

    Leon said:

    Is there any particular part of Cornwall where the language is stronger?

    Inside the dark heart of @Pagan2's most recent ayahuasca trip?
    You are cornish in the same way that Irish americans are irish, take your pish elsewhere
    Oh cheer up. I am gently teasing
    You weren't even born in cornwall you idiot you only claim to being cornish is your father....plastic paddy land
    Well, that and my Cornish mother. And Cornish grandmother, and Cornish grandfather on my Cornish mother's side, and oh yes my Cornish grandmother and Cornish grandfather, on my Cornish father's side, and all their Cornish parents, and all THEIR Cornish parents. And all THEIR Cornish parents. And the fact my Cornish grandmother - Annie Maud Jory - was so Cornish she was one of the last little girls to work up at grass as a bal maiden in a Cornish tin mine - at St Agnes in Cornwall. And then there's my Cornish cousins who actually founded Cornish Solidarity. And my other Cornish cousins in Mebyon Kernow, the Sons of Cornwall

    And the fact that my Cornish sister and her Cornish relatives and my Cornish niece and Cornish neohew live on the beautiful outskirts of Falmouth in Cornwall about two miles from where our Cornish ancestors provably lived in the 12th century around Constantine, Helford and Gweek. In Cornwall

    And my mum makes a fucking great pasty. And ace saffron buns

    Yep, apart from that, not Cornish at all

    You were born in devon, you lived in hereford

    Someone with the same background as you that was born in boston usa, lived in the usa is a plastic paddy not irish....you are not cornish you just have good antecedents and a plastic cornishman....sorry if the truth hurts you are no more cornish than a ginsters pasty
    You can't be Cornish because you can't take even the mildest joke at your expense, whereas a salty ability to self deprecate is a known trait of the Cornubians

    I forgot to mention my Cornish great ggggggggggg grandfather who got dispossessed of his Cornish manor because of his major role in the Cornish Rebellion
    So what you'd saying is that you have a remarkable heritage which you abandoned ?
  • LeonLeon Posts: 60,959
    MaxPB said:

    Leon said:

    MaxPB said:

    carnforth said:

    "An Egyptian fisherman who helped organise the movement of more than 3,000 migrants as part of a £12 million illegal boat crossing operation has been jailed for 25 years.

    UK-based Ahmed Ebid, 42, was involved in smuggling nearly 3,800 people from North Africa to Italy between October 2022 and June 2023, with some making their way to Britain, the National Crime Agency (NCA) said."

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/ce399l1329lo

    He arrived in the UK on a small boat in 2022 after spending five years in jail in Italy for attempted drug smuggling. He applied for asylum in the UK but never received a decision.

    Ebid, whose wife and sons are in the UK, had been living in Home Office-funded accommodation in south-west London at the time of his arrest.
    Literally deport them all, take their fingerprints and if they ever try and return deport them instantly with no recourse to appeal. This country is a joke.
    It makes me want to weep

    This fucker was in "Home Office Accommodation" with his wife and kids. That's nice for him. Me and you were paying his fucking rent as he trafficked hostile people into the UK, or threw people overboard into the Channel

    This is why we need Reform. We need seriously brutal remedies for all this. Enough
    Predictably when this dickhead gets out of jail he'll win a court case to remain in the country on the basis that his wife and child have adjusted to life here and he can't be separated from his family. No, fuck the jail sentence, deport him now to Italy or Egypt. We have no need to have this fucker in our jails taking up space and resources all while we lose the ability to deport him and his family. They all should be on the plane tomorrow.
    If HMG doesn't get a grip on stuff like this I don't see how Farage loses. The nation has lost all patience. You can sense it; it is palpable
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 77,570

    Pagan2 said:

    Leon said:

    Pagan2 said:

    Leon said:

    Pagan2 said:

    Leon said:

    Is there any particular part of Cornwall where the language is stronger?

    Inside the dark heart of @Pagan2's most recent ayahuasca trip?
    You are cornish in the same way that Irish americans are irish, take your pish elsewhere
    Oh cheer up. I am gently teasing
    You weren't even born in cornwall you idiot you only claim to being cornish is your father....plastic paddy land
    Well, that and my Cornish mother. And Cornish grandmother, and Cornish grandfather on my Cornish mother's side, and oh yes my Cornish grandmother and Cornish grandfather, on my Cornish father's side, and all their Cornish parents, and all THEIR Cornish parents. And all THEIR Cornish parents. And the fact my Cornish grandmother - Annie Maud Jory - was so Cornish she was one of the last little girls to work up at grass as a bal maiden in a Cornish tin mine - at St Agnes in Cornwall. And then there's my Cornish cousins who actually founded Cornish Solidarity. And my other Cornish cousins in Mebyon Kernow, the Sons of Cornwall

    And the fact that my Cornish sister and her Cornish relatives and my Cornish niece and Cornish neohew live on the beautiful outskirts of Falmouth in Cornwall about two miles from where our Cornish ancestors provably lived in the 12th century around Constantine, Helford and Gweek. In Cornwall

    And my mum makes a fucking great pasty. And ace saffron buns

    Yep, apart from that, not Cornish at all

    You were born in devon, you lived in hereford

    Someone with the same background as you that was born in boston usa, lived in the usa is a plastic paddy not irish....you are not cornish you just have good antecedents and a plastic cornishman....sorry if the truth hurts you are no more cornish than a ginsters pasty
    Is it vegan??
    Purely decorative.
  • BartholomewRobertsBartholomewRoberts Posts: 23,997
    MaxPB said:

    Leon said:

    MaxPB said:

    carnforth said:

    "An Egyptian fisherman who helped organise the movement of more than 3,000 migrants as part of a £12 million illegal boat crossing operation has been jailed for 25 years.

    UK-based Ahmed Ebid, 42, was involved in smuggling nearly 3,800 people from North Africa to Italy between October 2022 and June 2023, with some making their way to Britain, the National Crime Agency (NCA) said."

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/ce399l1329lo

    He arrived in the UK on a small boat in 2022 after spending five years in jail in Italy for attempted drug smuggling. He applied for asylum in the UK but never received a decision.

    Ebid, whose wife and sons are in the UK, had been living in Home Office-funded accommodation in south-west London at the time of his arrest.
    Literally deport them all, take their fingerprints and if they ever try and return deport them instantly with no recourse to appeal. This country is a joke.
    It makes me want to weep

    This fucker was in "Home Office Accommodation" with his wife and kids. That's nice for him. Me and you were paying his fucking rent as he trafficked hostile people into the UK, or threw people overboard into the Channel

    This is why we need Reform. We need seriously brutal remedies for all this. Enough
    Predictably when this dickhead gets out of jail he'll win a court case to remain in the country on the basis that his wife and child have adjusted to life here and he can't be separated from his family. No, fuck the jail sentence, deport him now to Italy or Egypt. We have no need to have this fucker in our jails taking up space and resources all while we lose the ability to deport him and his family. They all should be on the plane tomorrow.
    We have no shortage of prison places, so what difference does it make if he takes up a space?

    Our prisons are notoriously spacious and empty right now.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 60,959
    Nigelb said:

    Leon said:

    Pagan2 said:

    Leon said:

    Pagan2 said:

    Leon said:

    Pagan2 said:

    Leon said:

    Is there any particular part of Cornwall where the language is stronger?

    Inside the dark heart of @Pagan2's most recent ayahuasca trip?
    You are cornish in the same way that Irish americans are irish, take your pish elsewhere
    Oh cheer up. I am gently teasing
    You weren't even born in cornwall you idiot you only claim to being cornish is your father....plastic paddy land
    Well, that and my Cornish mother. And Cornish grandmother, and Cornish grandfather on my Cornish mother's side, and oh yes my Cornish grandmother and Cornish grandfather, on my Cornish father's side, and all their Cornish parents, and all THEIR Cornish parents. And all THEIR Cornish parents. And the fact my Cornish grandmother - Annie Maud Jory - was so Cornish she was one of the last little girls to work up at grass as a bal maiden in a Cornish tin mine - at St Agnes in Cornwall. And then there's my Cornish cousins who actually founded Cornish Solidarity. And my other Cornish cousins in Mebyon Kernow, the Sons of Cornwall

    And the fact that my Cornish sister and her Cornish relatives and my Cornish niece and Cornish neohew live on the beautiful outskirts of Falmouth in Cornwall about two miles from where our Cornish ancestors provably lived in the 12th century around Constantine, Helford and Gweek. In Cornwall

    And my mum makes a fucking great pasty. And ace saffron buns

    Yep, apart from that, not Cornish at all

    You were born in devon, you lived in hereford

    Someone with the same background as you that was born in boston usa, lived in the usa is a plastic paddy not irish....you are not cornish you just have good antecedents and a plastic cornishman....sorry if the truth hurts you are no more cornish than a ginsters pasty
    You can't be Cornish because you can't take even the mildest joke at your expense, whereas a salty ability to self deprecate is a known trait of the Cornubians

    I forgot to mention my Cornish great ggggggggggg grandfather who got dispossessed of his Cornish manor because of his major role in the Cornish Rebellion
    So what you'd saying is that you have a remarkable heritage which you abandoned ?
    lol

    Abandoned is somewhat harsh. Am I not allowed to go a-wandering? It's quite a Cornish trait - it was once said you could whistle down any mine in the world, and up would pop a Cousin Jack - a tin miner, plying his trade in South Africa or Chile or California or anywhere

    On the other hand, I did catch myself thinking - the other day, and for the first time - maybe it would be nice to live out my days down in the Old Country... Falmouth ish

    If I could divide my time between there and Thailand in the winter, that would be a pleasant arrangement
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 40,061
    Leon said:

    MaxPB said:

    Leon said:

    MaxPB said:

    carnforth said:

    "An Egyptian fisherman who helped organise the movement of more than 3,000 migrants as part of a £12 million illegal boat crossing operation has been jailed for 25 years.

    UK-based Ahmed Ebid, 42, was involved in smuggling nearly 3,800 people from North Africa to Italy between October 2022 and June 2023, with some making their way to Britain, the National Crime Agency (NCA) said."

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/ce399l1329lo

    He arrived in the UK on a small boat in 2022 after spending five years in jail in Italy for attempted drug smuggling. He applied for asylum in the UK but never received a decision.

    Ebid, whose wife and sons are in the UK, had been living in Home Office-funded accommodation in south-west London at the time of his arrest.
    Literally deport them all, take their fingerprints and if they ever try and return deport them instantly with no recourse to appeal. This country is a joke.
    It makes me want to weep

    This fucker was in "Home Office Accommodation" with his wife and kids. That's nice for him. Me and you were paying his fucking rent as he trafficked hostile people into the UK, or threw people overboard into the Channel

    This is why we need Reform. We need seriously brutal remedies for all this. Enough
    Predictably when this dickhead gets out of jail he'll win a court case to remain in the country on the basis that his wife and child have adjusted to life here and he can't be separated from his family. No, fuck the jail sentence, deport him now to Italy or Egypt. We have no need to have this fucker in our jails taking up space and resources all while we lose the ability to deport him and his family. They all should be on the plane tomorrow.
    If HMG doesn't get a grip on stuff like this I don't see how Farage loses. The nation has lost all patience. You can sense it; it is palpable
    It's what I said about a week ago, these are the types of cases and stories that are radicalising reliably middle of the road Tories to become much more right wing and throw their lot in with Reform. There's a sense of unfairness and injustice to British citizens that scumbags like this are able to exploit the law and take advantage of us that the Tories utterly failed to address and Labour will need to get sharp with immediately or I could see a landslide for Reform if they pledge to ignore the ECHR and deport all foreign criminals Trump style. Ordinary voters don't care for the minutia of habeus corpus and whatever we might discuss on pb, they want action and they want the criminals and illegal immigrants deported.
  • TazTaz Posts: 18,350
    Leon said:

    MaxPB said:

    Leon said:

    MaxPB said:

    carnforth said:

    "An Egyptian fisherman who helped organise the movement of more than 3,000 migrants as part of a £12 million illegal boat crossing operation has been jailed for 25 years.

    UK-based Ahmed Ebid, 42, was involved in smuggling nearly 3,800 people from North Africa to Italy between October 2022 and June 2023, with some making their way to Britain, the National Crime Agency (NCA) said."

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/ce399l1329lo

    He arrived in the UK on a small boat in 2022 after spending five years in jail in Italy for attempted drug smuggling. He applied for asylum in the UK but never received a decision.

    Ebid, whose wife and sons are in the UK, had been living in Home Office-funded accommodation in south-west London at the time of his arrest.
    Literally deport them all, take their fingerprints and if they ever try and return deport them instantly with no recourse to appeal. This country is a joke.
    It makes me want to weep

    This fucker was in "Home Office Accommodation" with his wife and kids. That's nice for him. Me and you were paying his fucking rent as he trafficked hostile people into the UK, or threw people overboard into the Channel

    This is why we need Reform. We need seriously brutal remedies for all this. Enough
    Predictably when this dickhead gets out of jail he'll win a court case to remain in the country on the basis that his wife and child have adjusted to life here and he can't be separated from his family. No, fuck the jail sentence, deport him now to Italy or Egypt. We have no need to have this fucker in our jails taking up space and resources all while we lose the ability to deport him and his family. They all should be on the plane tomorrow.
    If HMG doesn't get a grip on stuff like this I don't see how Farage loses. The nation has lost all patience. You can sense it; it is palpable
    You’re being unfair on the children. They may not like the chicken nuggets in Egypt.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 54,890
    Andy_JS said:

    "Statistically speaking… How long can the next Pope expect to live?
    By Julian Stander & Mario Cortina Borja"

    https://significancemagazine.com/statistically-speaking-how-long-can-the-next-pope-expect-to-live/

    Depends how often JD Vance visits...
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 54,186
    Taz said:

    Leon said:

    MaxPB said:

    Leon said:

    MaxPB said:

    carnforth said:

    "An Egyptian fisherman who helped organise the movement of more than 3,000 migrants as part of a £12 million illegal boat crossing operation has been jailed for 25 years.

    UK-based Ahmed Ebid, 42, was involved in smuggling nearly 3,800 people from North Africa to Italy between October 2022 and June 2023, with some making their way to Britain, the National Crime Agency (NCA) said."

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/ce399l1329lo

    He arrived in the UK on a small boat in 2022 after spending five years in jail in Italy for attempted drug smuggling. He applied for asylum in the UK but never received a decision.

    Ebid, whose wife and sons are in the UK, had been living in Home Office-funded accommodation in south-west London at the time of his arrest.
    Literally deport them all, take their fingerprints and if they ever try and return deport them instantly with no recourse to appeal. This country is a joke.
    It makes me want to weep

    This fucker was in "Home Office Accommodation" with his wife and kids. That's nice for him. Me and you were paying his fucking rent as he trafficked hostile people into the UK, or threw people overboard into the Channel

    This is why we need Reform. We need seriously brutal remedies for all this. Enough
    Predictably when this dickhead gets out of jail he'll win a court case to remain in the country on the basis that his wife and child have adjusted to life here and he can't be separated from his family. No, fuck the jail sentence, deport him now to Italy or Egypt. We have no need to have this fucker in our jails taking up space and resources all while we lose the ability to deport him and his family. They all should be on the plane tomorrow.
    If HMG doesn't get a grip on stuff like this I don't see how Farage loses. The nation has lost all patience. You can sense it; it is palpable
    You’re being unfair on the children. They may not like the chicken nuggets in Egypt.
    Are they in de Nile?
  • LeonLeon Posts: 60,959
    MaxPB said:

    Leon said:

    MaxPB said:

    Leon said:

    MaxPB said:

    carnforth said:

    "An Egyptian fisherman who helped organise the movement of more than 3,000 migrants as part of a £12 million illegal boat crossing operation has been jailed for 25 years.

    UK-based Ahmed Ebid, 42, was involved in smuggling nearly 3,800 people from North Africa to Italy between October 2022 and June 2023, with some making their way to Britain, the National Crime Agency (NCA) said."

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/ce399l1329lo

    He arrived in the UK on a small boat in 2022 after spending five years in jail in Italy for attempted drug smuggling. He applied for asylum in the UK but never received a decision.

    Ebid, whose wife and sons are in the UK, had been living in Home Office-funded accommodation in south-west London at the time of his arrest.
    Literally deport them all, take their fingerprints and if they ever try and return deport them instantly with no recourse to appeal. This country is a joke.
    It makes me want to weep

    This fucker was in "Home Office Accommodation" with his wife and kids. That's nice for him. Me and you were paying his fucking rent as he trafficked hostile people into the UK, or threw people overboard into the Channel

    This is why we need Reform. We need seriously brutal remedies for all this. Enough
    Predictably when this dickhead gets out of jail he'll win a court case to remain in the country on the basis that his wife and child have adjusted to life here and he can't be separated from his family. No, fuck the jail sentence, deport him now to Italy or Egypt. We have no need to have this fucker in our jails taking up space and resources all while we lose the ability to deport him and his family. They all should be on the plane tomorrow.
    If HMG doesn't get a grip on stuff like this I don't see how Farage loses. The nation has lost all patience. You can sense it; it is palpable
    It's what I said about a week ago, these are the types of cases and stories that are radicalising reliably middle of the road Tories to become much more right wing and throw their lot in with Reform. There's a sense of unfairness and injustice to British citizens that scumbags like this are able to exploit the law and take advantage of us that the Tories utterly failed to address and Labour will need to get sharp with immediately or I could see a landslide for Reform if they pledge to ignore the ECHR and deport all foreign criminals Trump style. Ordinary voters don't care for the minutia of habeus corpus and whatever we might discuss on pb, they want action and they want the criminals and illegal immigrants deported.
    Yup

    See also Gregg's now having to put their pasties and sarnies behind glass, because of the repeated and blatant shoplifting, which goes unpunished

    It's stories like this - visible to all (literally witnessed by @Casino_Royale in Gregg's last week) which is driving people to a radical solution. The sense of total unfairness the sense of life declining, the sense of criminals now totally takng the piss and our spineless government siding with anyone but the poor native honest hardworking Brits

    Toxic
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 55,321
    MaxPB said:

    Leon said:

    MaxPB said:

    Leon said:

    MaxPB said:

    carnforth said:

    "An Egyptian fisherman who helped organise the movement of more than 3,000 migrants as part of a £12 million illegal boat crossing operation has been jailed for 25 years.

    UK-based Ahmed Ebid, 42, was involved in smuggling nearly 3,800 people from North Africa to Italy between October 2022 and June 2023, with some making their way to Britain, the National Crime Agency (NCA) said."

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/ce399l1329lo

    He arrived in the UK on a small boat in 2022 after spending five years in jail in Italy for attempted drug smuggling. He applied for asylum in the UK but never received a decision.

    Ebid, whose wife and sons are in the UK, had been living in Home Office-funded accommodation in south-west London at the time of his arrest.
    Literally deport them all, take their fingerprints and if they ever try and return deport them instantly with no recourse to appeal. This country is a joke.
    It makes me want to weep

    This fucker was in "Home Office Accommodation" with his wife and kids. That's nice for him. Me and you were paying his fucking rent as he trafficked hostile people into the UK, or threw people overboard into the Channel

    This is why we need Reform. We need seriously brutal remedies for all this. Enough
    Predictably when this dickhead gets out of jail he'll win a court case to remain in the country on the basis that his wife and child have adjusted to life here and he can't be separated from his family. No, fuck the jail sentence, deport him now to Italy or Egypt. We have no need to have this fucker in our jails taking up space and resources all while we lose the ability to deport him and his family. They all should be on the plane tomorrow.
    If HMG doesn't get a grip on stuff like this I don't see how Farage loses. The nation has lost all patience. You can sense it; it is palpable
    It's what I said about a week ago, these are the types of cases and stories that are radicalising reliably middle of the road Tories to become much more right wing and throw their lot in with Reform. There's a sense of unfairness and injustice to British citizens that scumbags like this are able to exploit the law and take advantage of us that the Tories utterly failed to address and Labour will need to get sharp with immediately or I could see a landslide for Reform if they pledge to ignore the ECHR and deport all foreign criminals Trump style. Ordinary voters don't care for the minutia of habeus corpus and whatever we might discuss on pb, they want action and they want the criminals and illegal immigrants deported.
    Whereas the complaint used to be that we're a soft touch, now people feel that there is a harder edge to the state's behaviour and that it sees facilitating all of this at their expense as almost its raison d'etre.
  • TazTaz Posts: 18,350

    Taz said:

    Leon said:

    MaxPB said:

    Leon said:

    MaxPB said:

    carnforth said:

    "An Egyptian fisherman who helped organise the movement of more than 3,000 migrants as part of a £12 million illegal boat crossing operation has been jailed for 25 years.

    UK-based Ahmed Ebid, 42, was involved in smuggling nearly 3,800 people from North Africa to Italy between October 2022 and June 2023, with some making their way to Britain, the National Crime Agency (NCA) said."

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/ce399l1329lo

    He arrived in the UK on a small boat in 2022 after spending five years in jail in Italy for attempted drug smuggling. He applied for asylum in the UK but never received a decision.

    Ebid, whose wife and sons are in the UK, had been living in Home Office-funded accommodation in south-west London at the time of his arrest.
    Literally deport them all, take their fingerprints and if they ever try and return deport them instantly with no recourse to appeal. This country is a joke.
    It makes me want to weep

    This fucker was in "Home Office Accommodation" with his wife and kids. That's nice for him. Me and you were paying his fucking rent as he trafficked hostile people into the UK, or threw people overboard into the Channel

    This is why we need Reform. We need seriously brutal remedies for all this. Enough
    Predictably when this dickhead gets out of jail he'll win a court case to remain in the country on the basis that his wife and child have adjusted to life here and he can't be separated from his family. No, fuck the jail sentence, deport him now to Italy or Egypt. We have no need to have this fucker in our jails taking up space and resources all while we lose the ability to deport him and his family. They all should be on the plane tomorrow.
    If HMG doesn't get a grip on stuff like this I don't see how Farage loses. The nation has lost all patience. You can sense it; it is palpable
    You’re being unfair on the children. They may not like the chicken nuggets in Egypt.
    Are they in de Nile?
    Ba dum Tish !!
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 40,061
    Leon said:

    MaxPB said:

    Leon said:

    MaxPB said:

    Leon said:

    MaxPB said:

    carnforth said:

    "An Egyptian fisherman who helped organise the movement of more than 3,000 migrants as part of a £12 million illegal boat crossing operation has been jailed for 25 years.

    UK-based Ahmed Ebid, 42, was involved in smuggling nearly 3,800 people from North Africa to Italy between October 2022 and June 2023, with some making their way to Britain, the National Crime Agency (NCA) said."

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/ce399l1329lo

    He arrived in the UK on a small boat in 2022 after spending five years in jail in Italy for attempted drug smuggling. He applied for asylum in the UK but never received a decision.

    Ebid, whose wife and sons are in the UK, had been living in Home Office-funded accommodation in south-west London at the time of his arrest.
    Literally deport them all, take their fingerprints and if they ever try and return deport them instantly with no recourse to appeal. This country is a joke.
    It makes me want to weep

    This fucker was in "Home Office Accommodation" with his wife and kids. That's nice for him. Me and you were paying his fucking rent as he trafficked hostile people into the UK, or threw people overboard into the Channel

    This is why we need Reform. We need seriously brutal remedies for all this. Enough
    Predictably when this dickhead gets out of jail he'll win a court case to remain in the country on the basis that his wife and child have adjusted to life here and he can't be separated from his family. No, fuck the jail sentence, deport him now to Italy or Egypt. We have no need to have this fucker in our jails taking up space and resources all while we lose the ability to deport him and his family. They all should be on the plane tomorrow.
    If HMG doesn't get a grip on stuff like this I don't see how Farage loses. The nation has lost all patience. You can sense it; it is palpable
    It's what I said about a week ago, these are the types of cases and stories that are radicalising reliably middle of the road Tories to become much more right wing and throw their lot in with Reform. There's a sense of unfairness and injustice to British citizens that scumbags like this are able to exploit the law and take advantage of us that the Tories utterly failed to address and Labour will need to get sharp with immediately or I could see a landslide for Reform if they pledge to ignore the ECHR and deport all foreign criminals Trump style. Ordinary voters don't care for the minutia of habeus corpus and whatever we might discuss on pb, they want action and they want the criminals and illegal immigrants deported.
    Yup

    See also Gregg's now having to put their pasties and sarnies behind glass, because of the repeated and blatant shoplifting, which goes unpunished

    It's stories like this - visible to all (literally witnessed by @Casino_Royale in Gregg's last week) which is driving people to a radical solution. The sense of total unfairness the sense of life declining, the sense of criminals now totally takng the piss and our spineless government siding with anyone but the poor native honest hardworking Brits

    Toxic
    It's simple things like people not being able to speak to anyone at HMRC to appeal the tax demand they got because "there's no money for it" but then reading plenty of stories about HMRC staff all WFH and doing a 4 day week and getting 6 weeks off in the summer. Ordinary people now feel as though they are being taken for a ride in too many aspects of life.

    The British ruling classes need to be shaken out of their complacency, I don't know if Reform are the right answer but it is surely the solution that is coming, Labour proved with their "deal" yesterday that they don't have the nation's interests at heart and there's still nothing from them on how they intend to curtail the ECHR so criminals and illegal immigrants can't use it to evade deportation, it's all just words.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 45,293

    MaxPB said:

    Leon said:

    MaxPB said:

    Leon said:

    MaxPB said:

    carnforth said:

    "An Egyptian fisherman who helped organise the movement of more than 3,000 migrants as part of a £12 million illegal boat crossing operation has been jailed for 25 years.

    UK-based Ahmed Ebid, 42, was involved in smuggling nearly 3,800 people from North Africa to Italy between October 2022 and June 2023, with some making their way to Britain, the National Crime Agency (NCA) said."

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/ce399l1329lo

    He arrived in the UK on a small boat in 2022 after spending five years in jail in Italy for attempted drug smuggling. He applied for asylum in the UK but never received a decision.

    Ebid, whose wife and sons are in the UK, had been living in Home Office-funded accommodation in south-west London at the time of his arrest.
    Literally deport them all, take their fingerprints and if they ever try and return deport them instantly with no recourse to appeal. This country is a joke.
    It makes me want to weep

    This fucker was in "Home Office Accommodation" with his wife and kids. That's nice for him. Me and you were paying his fucking rent as he trafficked hostile people into the UK, or threw people overboard into the Channel

    This is why we need Reform. We need seriously brutal remedies for all this. Enough
    Predictably when this dickhead gets out of jail he'll win a court case to remain in the country on the basis that his wife and child have adjusted to life here and he can't be separated from his family. No, fuck the jail sentence, deport him now to Italy or Egypt. We have no need to have this fucker in our jails taking up space and resources all while we lose the ability to deport him and his family. They all should be on the plane tomorrow.
    If HMG doesn't get a grip on stuff like this I don't see how Farage loses. The nation has lost all patience. You can sense it; it is palpable
    It's what I said about a week ago, these are the types of cases and stories that are radicalising reliably middle of the road Tories to become much more right wing and throw their lot in with Reform. There's a sense of unfairness and injustice to British citizens that scumbags like this are able to exploit the law and take advantage of us that the Tories utterly failed to address and Labour will need to get sharp with immediately or I could see a landslide for Reform if they pledge to ignore the ECHR and deport all foreign criminals Trump style. Ordinary voters don't care for the minutia of habeus corpus and whatever we might discuss on pb, they want action and they want the criminals and illegal immigrants deported.
    Whereas the complaint used to be that we're a soft touch, now people feel that there is a harder edge to the state's behaviour and that it sees facilitating all of this at their expense as almost its raison d'etre.
    I can't quite decipher that, William, but it has a whiff of being nonsense.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 35,035
    Is it troll time again?
  • LeonLeon Posts: 60,959
    MaxPB said:

    Leon said:

    MaxPB said:

    Leon said:

    MaxPB said:

    Leon said:

    MaxPB said:

    carnforth said:

    "An Egyptian fisherman who helped organise the movement of more than 3,000 migrants as part of a £12 million illegal boat crossing operation has been jailed for 25 years.

    UK-based Ahmed Ebid, 42, was involved in smuggling nearly 3,800 people from North Africa to Italy between October 2022 and June 2023, with some making their way to Britain, the National Crime Agency (NCA) said."

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/ce399l1329lo

    He arrived in the UK on a small boat in 2022 after spending five years in jail in Italy for attempted drug smuggling. He applied for asylum in the UK but never received a decision.

    Ebid, whose wife and sons are in the UK, had been living in Home Office-funded accommodation in south-west London at the time of his arrest.
    Literally deport them all, take their fingerprints and if they ever try and return deport them instantly with no recourse to appeal. This country is a joke.
    It makes me want to weep

    This fucker was in "Home Office Accommodation" with his wife and kids. That's nice for him. Me and you were paying his fucking rent as he trafficked hostile people into the UK, or threw people overboard into the Channel

    This is why we need Reform. We need seriously brutal remedies for all this. Enough
    Predictably when this dickhead gets out of jail he'll win a court case to remain in the country on the basis that his wife and child have adjusted to life here and he can't be separated from his family. No, fuck the jail sentence, deport him now to Italy or Egypt. We have no need to have this fucker in our jails taking up space and resources all while we lose the ability to deport him and his family. They all should be on the plane tomorrow.
    If HMG doesn't get a grip on stuff like this I don't see how Farage loses. The nation has lost all patience. You can sense it; it is palpable
    It's what I said about a week ago, these are the types of cases and stories that are radicalising reliably middle of the road Tories to become much more right wing and throw their lot in with Reform. There's a sense of unfairness and injustice to British citizens that scumbags like this are able to exploit the law and take advantage of us that the Tories utterly failed to address and Labour will need to get sharp with immediately or I could see a landslide for Reform if they pledge to ignore the ECHR and deport all foreign criminals Trump style. Ordinary voters don't care for the minutia of habeus corpus and whatever we might discuss on pb, they want action and they want the criminals and illegal immigrants deported.
    Yup

    See also Gregg's now having to put their pasties and sarnies behind glass, because of the repeated and blatant shoplifting, which goes unpunished

    It's stories like this - visible to all (literally witnessed by @Casino_Royale in Gregg's last week) which is driving people to a radical solution. The sense of total unfairness the sense of life declining, the sense of criminals now totally takng the piss and our spineless government siding with anyone but the poor native honest hardworking Brits

    Toxic
    It's simple things like people not being able to speak to anyone at HMRC to appeal the tax demand they got because "there's no money for it" but then reading plenty of stories about HMRC staff all WFH and doing a 4 day week and getting 6 weeks off in the summer. Ordinary people now feel as though they are being taken for a ride in too many aspects of life.

    The British ruling classes need to be shaken out of their complacency, I don't know if Reform are the right answer but it is surely the solution that is coming, Labour proved with their "deal" yesterday that they don't have the nation's interests at heart and there's still nothing from them on how they intend to curtail the ECHR so criminals and illegal immigrants can't use it to evade deportation, it's all just words.
    Preach it, brother

    I am not at all sure Reform are the answer either, quite possibly not

    But what I do know is that the British Establishment needs the fright of its life - they need to be existentially terrified, so they make genuine change and an entire class of Woke lefty lawyers and fat selfish Tories is swept away. Clearly the Brexit vote wasn't enough, so we have to go further
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 45,293
    Andy_JS said:

    Is it troll time again?

    I think the "Cornish heritage" stuff is genuine tbf.
  • OnlyLivingBoyOnlyLivingBoy Posts: 16,513
    kinabalu said:

    MaxPB said:

    Leon said:

    MaxPB said:

    Leon said:

    MaxPB said:

    carnforth said:

    "An Egyptian fisherman who helped organise the movement of more than 3,000 migrants as part of a £12 million illegal boat crossing operation has been jailed for 25 years.

    UK-based Ahmed Ebid, 42, was involved in smuggling nearly 3,800 people from North Africa to Italy between October 2022 and June 2023, with some making their way to Britain, the National Crime Agency (NCA) said."

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/ce399l1329lo

    He arrived in the UK on a small boat in 2022 after spending five years in jail in Italy for attempted drug smuggling. He applied for asylum in the UK but never received a decision.

    Ebid, whose wife and sons are in the UK, had been living in Home Office-funded accommodation in south-west London at the time of his arrest.
    Literally deport them all, take their fingerprints and if they ever try and return deport them instantly with no recourse to appeal. This country is a joke.
    It makes me want to weep

    This fucker was in "Home Office Accommodation" with his wife and kids. That's nice for him. Me and you were paying his fucking rent as he trafficked hostile people into the UK, or threw people overboard into the Channel

    This is why we need Reform. We need seriously brutal remedies for all this. Enough
    Predictably when this dickhead gets out of jail he'll win a court case to remain in the country on the basis that his wife and child have adjusted to life here and he can't be separated from his family. No, fuck the jail sentence, deport him now to Italy or Egypt. We have no need to have this fucker in our jails taking up space and resources all while we lose the ability to deport him and his family. They all should be on the plane tomorrow.
    If HMG doesn't get a grip on stuff like this I don't see how Farage loses. The nation has lost all patience. You can sense it; it is palpable
    It's what I said about a week ago, these are the types of cases and stories that are radicalising reliably middle of the road Tories to become much more right wing and throw their lot in with Reform. There's a sense of unfairness and injustice to British citizens that scumbags like this are able to exploit the law and take advantage of us that the Tories utterly failed to address and Labour will need to get sharp with immediately or I could see a landslide for Reform if they pledge to ignore the ECHR and deport all foreign criminals Trump style. Ordinary voters don't care for the minutia of habeus corpus and whatever we might discuss on pb, they want action and they want the criminals and illegal immigrants deported.
    Whereas the complaint used to be that we're a soft touch, now people feel that there is a harder edge to the state's behaviour and that it sees facilitating all of this at their expense as almost its raison d'etre.
    I can't quite decipher that, William, but it has a whiff of being nonsense.
    I think he's saying that he's mad as hell and he's not going to take it anymore.
  • kjhkjh Posts: 12,640
    Leon said:

    Pagan2 said:

    Leon said:

    Pagan2 said:

    Leon said:

    Pagan2 said:

    Leon said:

    Is there any particular part of Cornwall where the language is stronger?

    Inside the dark heart of @Pagan2's most recent ayahuasca trip?
    You are cornish in the same way that Irish americans are irish, take your pish elsewhere
    Oh cheer up. I am gently teasing
    You weren't even born in cornwall you idiot you only claim to being cornish is your father....plastic paddy land
    Well, that and my Cornish mother. And Cornish grandmother, and Cornish grandfather on my Cornish mother's side, and oh yes my Cornish grandmother and Cornish grandfather, on my Cornish father's side, and all their Cornish parents, and all THEIR Cornish parents. And all THEIR Cornish parents. And the fact my Cornish grandmother - Annie Maud Jory - was so Cornish she was one of the last little girls to work up at grass as a bal maiden in a Cornish tin mine - at St Agnes in Cornwall. And then there's my Cornish cousins who actually founded Cornish Solidarity. And my other Cornish cousins in Mebyon Kernow, the Sons of Cornwall

    And the fact that my Cornish sister and her Cornish relatives and my Cornish niece and Cornish neohew live on the beautiful outskirts of Falmouth in Cornwall about two miles from where our Cornish ancestors provably lived in the 12th century around Constantine, Helford and Gweek. In Cornwall

    And my mum makes a fucking great pasty. And ace saffron buns

    Yep, apart from that, not Cornish at all

    You were born in devon, you lived in hereford

    Someone with the same background as you that was born in boston usa, lived in the usa is a plastic paddy not irish....you are not cornish you just have good antecedents and a plastic cornishman....sorry if the truth hurts you are no more cornish than a ginsters pasty
    You can't be Cornish because you can't take even the mildest joke at your expense, whereas a salty ability to self deprecate is a known trait of the Cornubians

    I forgot to mention my Cornish great ggggggggggg grandfather who got dispossessed of his Cornish manor because of his major role in the Cornish Rebellion
    I think @Pagan2 has a point. The limited amount of ancestry I can do puts all mine in London. I was born in London and lived there until exactly my 9th birthday. I don't consider myself to be a Londoner though as I have lived the vast majority of my life outside of London.
  • Pagan2Pagan2 Posts: 11,519
    carnforth said:
    Quote from one of your links showing leon talking bollocks

    "Cornish became extinct as a living community language in Cornwall by the end of the 18th century, although knowledge of Cornish, including speaking ability to a certain extent, persisted within some families and individuals.[12] "
  • Pagan2Pagan2 Posts: 11,519
    Pagan2 said:

    carnforth said:
    Quote from one of your links showing leon talking bollocks

    "Cornish became extinct as a living community language in Cornwall by the end of the 18th century, although knowledge of Cornish, including speaking ability to a certain extent, persisted within some families and individuals.[12] "
    Never claimed cornish was widely used, just said its what my grandparents spoke and little english and if anyone is going to be the last would be warleggan
  • Pagan2Pagan2 Posts: 11,519
    kjh said:

    Leon said:

    Pagan2 said:

    Leon said:

    Pagan2 said:

    Leon said:

    Pagan2 said:

    Leon said:

    Is there any particular part of Cornwall where the language is stronger?

    Inside the dark heart of @Pagan2's most recent ayahuasca trip?
    You are cornish in the same way that Irish americans are irish, take your pish elsewhere
    Oh cheer up. I am gently teasing
    You weren't even born in cornwall you idiot you only claim to being cornish is your father....plastic paddy land
    Well, that and my Cornish mother. And Cornish grandmother, and Cornish grandfather on my Cornish mother's side, and oh yes my Cornish grandmother and Cornish grandfather, on my Cornish father's side, and all their Cornish parents, and all THEIR Cornish parents. And all THEIR Cornish parents. And the fact my Cornish grandmother - Annie Maud Jory - was so Cornish she was one of the last little girls to work up at grass as a bal maiden in a Cornish tin mine - at St Agnes in Cornwall. And then there's my Cornish cousins who actually founded Cornish Solidarity. And my other Cornish cousins in Mebyon Kernow, the Sons of Cornwall

    And the fact that my Cornish sister and her Cornish relatives and my Cornish niece and Cornish neohew live on the beautiful outskirts of Falmouth in Cornwall about two miles from where our Cornish ancestors provably lived in the 12th century around Constantine, Helford and Gweek. In Cornwall

    And my mum makes a fucking great pasty. And ace saffron buns

    Yep, apart from that, not Cornish at all

    You were born in devon, you lived in hereford

    Someone with the same background as you that was born in boston usa, lived in the usa is a plastic paddy not irish....you are not cornish you just have good antecedents and a plastic cornishman....sorry if the truth hurts you are no more cornish than a ginsters pasty
    You can't be Cornish because you can't take even the mildest joke at your expense, whereas a salty ability to self deprecate is a known trait of the Cornubians

    I forgot to mention my Cornish great ggggggggggg grandfather who got dispossessed of his Cornish manor because of his major role in the Cornish Rebellion
    I think @Pagan2 has a point. The limited amount of ancestry I can do puts all mine in London. I was born in London and lived there until exactly my 9th birthday. I don't consider myself to be a Londoner though as I have lived the vast majority of my life outside of London.
    Growing up in an area gives you a cultural attitude to life, I don't believe someone who grew up in america, australia, yorkshire, cornwall will all have the same attitude to life on the whole even if they were born at the same time in the same hospital
  • LeonLeon Posts: 60,959
    Pagan2 said:

    carnforth said:
    Quote from one of your links showing leon talking bollocks

    "Cornish became extinct as a living community language in Cornwall by the end of the 18th century, although knowledge of Cornish, including speaking ability to a certain extent, persisted within some families and individuals.[12] "
    As I said before when we discussed this, if your family genuinely did speak a native version of Cornish until your mother's generation, that is a fantastical survival. Truly!

    I find it hard to believe just because it would be so exceptional, but I don't rule it out (not that you should care for my opinion, I am just making it plain)

    Indeed, I would love your story to be true! People speaking native Cornish at home into the 20th century would be sensational news for anyone with a love of linguistics. So, I hope it is true
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 31,300
    stodge said:

    Interesting to read of the political manoeuvrings in Cornwall.

    Reform basically told the Independents they wanted to run a minority administration and offered them nothing. The LDs offered the Independents Cabinet places and the Deputy Leadership.

    Reform are already sounding dangerously naive - if you don't have a majority you can't expect to have power just because you are the largest party. That's not how politics works.

    Interesting to see the new administration backed by Labour, the Greens and most of the Conservatives leaving only Mebyon Kernow to abstain on the vote to be the new Leader. Again, Reform chose to abstain rather than vote against.

    Just storing up a total landslide next time.

    A cobbled together coalition of loonies designed to block Reform sounds perfect for Reform.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 45,293

    kinabalu said:

    MaxPB said:

    Leon said:

    MaxPB said:

    Leon said:

    MaxPB said:

    carnforth said:

    "An Egyptian fisherman who helped organise the movement of more than 3,000 migrants as part of a £12 million illegal boat crossing operation has been jailed for 25 years.

    UK-based Ahmed Ebid, 42, was involved in smuggling nearly 3,800 people from North Africa to Italy between October 2022 and June 2023, with some making their way to Britain, the National Crime Agency (NCA) said."

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/ce399l1329lo

    He arrived in the UK on a small boat in 2022 after spending five years in jail in Italy for attempted drug smuggling. He applied for asylum in the UK but never received a decision.

    Ebid, whose wife and sons are in the UK, had been living in Home Office-funded accommodation in south-west London at the time of his arrest.
    Literally deport them all, take their fingerprints and if they ever try and return deport them instantly with no recourse to appeal. This country is a joke.
    It makes me want to weep

    This fucker was in "Home Office Accommodation" with his wife and kids. That's nice for him. Me and you were paying his fucking rent as he trafficked hostile people into the UK, or threw people overboard into the Channel

    This is why we need Reform. We need seriously brutal remedies for all this. Enough
    Predictably when this dickhead gets out of jail he'll win a court case to remain in the country on the basis that his wife and child have adjusted to life here and he can't be separated from his family. No, fuck the jail sentence, deport him now to Italy or Egypt. We have no need to have this fucker in our jails taking up space and resources all while we lose the ability to deport him and his family. They all should be on the plane tomorrow.
    If HMG doesn't get a grip on stuff like this I don't see how Farage loses. The nation has lost all patience. You can sense it; it is palpable
    It's what I said about a week ago, these are the types of cases and stories that are radicalising reliably middle of the road Tories to become much more right wing and throw their lot in with Reform. There's a sense of unfairness and injustice to British citizens that scumbags like this are able to exploit the law and take advantage of us that the Tories utterly failed to address and Labour will need to get sharp with immediately or I could see a landslide for Reform if they pledge to ignore the ECHR and deport all foreign criminals Trump style. Ordinary voters don't care for the minutia of habeus corpus and whatever we might discuss on pb, they want action and they want the criminals and illegal immigrants deported.
    Whereas the complaint used to be that we're a soft touch, now people feel that there is a harder edge to the state's behaviour and that it sees facilitating all of this at their expense as almost its raison d'etre.
    I can't quite decipher that, William, but it has a whiff of being nonsense.
    I think he's saying that he's mad as hell and he's not going to take it anymore.
    I have noticed that pop right rants often close with ENOUGH.

    Although William, tbf, is not a ranter. He's more of a stealth bomber.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 51,555
    kinabalu said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Is it troll time again?

    I think the "Cornish heritage" stuff is genuine tbf.
    Despite being the only known descendent of a certain well-known Viking Norman, who wasn’t Cornish in the slightest? Illegal immigrant is the most he can claim.
  • TimSTimS Posts: 15,429
    kjh said:

    Leon said:

    Pagan2 said:

    Leon said:

    Pagan2 said:

    Leon said:

    Pagan2 said:

    Leon said:

    Is there any particular part of Cornwall where the language is stronger?

    Inside the dark heart of @Pagan2's most recent ayahuasca trip?
    You are cornish in the same way that Irish americans are irish, take your pish elsewhere
    Oh cheer up. I am gently teasing
    You weren't even born in cornwall you idiot you only claim to being cornish is your father....plastic paddy land
    Well, that and my Cornish mother. And Cornish grandmother, and Cornish grandfather on my Cornish mother's side, and oh yes my Cornish grandmother and Cornish grandfather, on my Cornish father's side, and all their Cornish parents, and all THEIR Cornish parents. And all THEIR Cornish parents. And the fact my Cornish grandmother - Annie Maud Jory - was so Cornish she was one of the last little girls to work up at grass as a bal maiden in a Cornish tin mine - at St Agnes in Cornwall. And then there's my Cornish cousins who actually founded Cornish Solidarity. And my other Cornish cousins in Mebyon Kernow, the Sons of Cornwall

    And the fact that my Cornish sister and her Cornish relatives and my Cornish niece and Cornish neohew live on the beautiful outskirts of Falmouth in Cornwall about two miles from where our Cornish ancestors provably lived in the 12th century around Constantine, Helford and Gweek. In Cornwall

    And my mum makes a fucking great pasty. And ace saffron buns

    Yep, apart from that, not Cornish at all

    You were born in devon, you lived in hereford

    Someone with the same background as you that was born in boston usa, lived in the usa is a plastic paddy not irish....you are not cornish you just have good antecedents and a plastic cornishman....sorry if the truth hurts you are no more cornish than a ginsters pasty
    You can't be Cornish because you can't take even the mildest joke at your expense, whereas a salty ability to self deprecate is a known trait of the Cornubians

    I forgot to mention my Cornish great ggggggggggg grandfather who got dispossessed of his Cornish manor because of his major role in the Cornish Rebellion
    I think @Pagan2 has a point. The limited amount of ancestry I can do puts all mine in London. I was born in London and lived there until exactly my 9th birthday. I don't consider myself to be a Londoner though as I have lived the vast majority of my life outside of London.
    Yes, it must be frustrating as a real Cornishman being beset by people who claim to be Cornish but aren’t actually produced in the Cornwall region.

    Maybe there should be a Cornish PDO?
  • Pagan2Pagan2 Posts: 11,519
    Leon said:

    Pagan2 said:

    carnforth said:
    Quote from one of your links showing leon talking bollocks

    "Cornish became extinct as a living community language in Cornwall by the end of the 18th century, although knowledge of Cornish, including speaking ability to a certain extent, persisted within some families and individuals.[12] "
    As I said before when we discussed this, if your family genuinely did speak a native version of Cornish until your mother's generation, that is a fantastical survival. Truly!

    I find it hard to believe just because it would be so exceptional, but I don't rule it out (not that you should care for my opinion, I am just making it plain)

    Indeed, I would love your story to be true! People speaking native Cornish at home into the 20th century would be sensational news for anyone with a love of linguistics. So, I hope it is true
    Sadly never really learned it as my parents moved to the foreign lands of padstow
  • TimSTimS Posts: 15,429
    Pagan2 said:

    kjh said:

    Leon said:

    Pagan2 said:

    Leon said:

    Pagan2 said:

    Leon said:

    Pagan2 said:

    Leon said:

    Is there any particular part of Cornwall where the language is stronger?

    Inside the dark heart of @Pagan2's most recent ayahuasca trip?
    You are cornish in the same way that Irish americans are irish, take your pish elsewhere
    Oh cheer up. I am gently teasing
    You weren't even born in cornwall you idiot you only claim to being cornish is your father....plastic paddy land
    Well, that and my Cornish mother. And Cornish grandmother, and Cornish grandfather on my Cornish mother's side, and oh yes my Cornish grandmother and Cornish grandfather, on my Cornish father's side, and all their Cornish parents, and all THEIR Cornish parents. And all THEIR Cornish parents. And the fact my Cornish grandmother - Annie Maud Jory - was so Cornish she was one of the last little girls to work up at grass as a bal maiden in a Cornish tin mine - at St Agnes in Cornwall. And then there's my Cornish cousins who actually founded Cornish Solidarity. And my other Cornish cousins in Mebyon Kernow, the Sons of Cornwall

    And the fact that my Cornish sister and her Cornish relatives and my Cornish niece and Cornish neohew live on the beautiful outskirts of Falmouth in Cornwall about two miles from where our Cornish ancestors provably lived in the 12th century around Constantine, Helford and Gweek. In Cornwall

    And my mum makes a fucking great pasty. And ace saffron buns

    Yep, apart from that, not Cornish at all

    You were born in devon, you lived in hereford

    Someone with the same background as you that was born in boston usa, lived in the usa is a plastic paddy not irish....you are not cornish you just have good antecedents and a plastic cornishman....sorry if the truth hurts you are no more cornish than a ginsters pasty
    You can't be Cornish because you can't take even the mildest joke at your expense, whereas a salty ability to self deprecate is a known trait of the Cornubians

    I forgot to mention my Cornish great ggggggggggg grandfather who got dispossessed of his Cornish manor because of his major role in the Cornish Rebellion
    I think @Pagan2 has a point. The limited amount of ancestry I can do puts all mine in London. I was born in London and lived there until exactly my 9th birthday. I don't consider myself to be a Londoner though as I have lived the vast majority of my life outside of London.
    Growing up in an area gives you a cultural attitude to life, I don't believe someone who grew up in america, australia, yorkshire, cornwall will all have the same attitude to life on the whole even if they were born at the same time in the same hospital
    Indeed. Provenance and terroir are important.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 60,959
    Pagan2 said:

    Leon said:

    Pagan2 said:

    carnforth said:
    Quote from one of your links showing leon talking bollocks

    "Cornish became extinct as a living community language in Cornwall by the end of the 18th century, although knowledge of Cornish, including speaking ability to a certain extent, persisted within some families and individuals.[12] "
    As I said before when we discussed this, if your family genuinely did speak a native version of Cornish until your mother's generation, that is a fantastical survival. Truly!

    I find it hard to believe just because it would be so exceptional, but I don't rule it out (not that you should care for my opinion, I am just making it plain)

    Indeed, I would love your story to be true! People speaking native Cornish at home into the 20th century would be sensational news for anyone with a love of linguistics. So, I hope it is true
    Sadly never really learned it as my parents moved to the foreign lands of padstow
    Warleggan would be a brilliant place for it to survive - it is indeed remote, brooding and strange, up on the moor

    It was a good choice for the villain's name in Poldark

    Did you live there as a tot? Do you remember it? Even now Bodmin Moor is quite freaky
  • Pagan2Pagan2 Posts: 11,519
    TimS said:

    kjh said:

    Leon said:

    Pagan2 said:

    Leon said:

    Pagan2 said:

    Leon said:

    Pagan2 said:

    Leon said:

    Is there any particular part of Cornwall where the language is stronger?

    Inside the dark heart of @Pagan2's most recent ayahuasca trip?
    You are cornish in the same way that Irish americans are irish, take your pish elsewhere
    Oh cheer up. I am gently teasing
    You weren't even born in cornwall you idiot you only claim to being cornish is your father....plastic paddy land
    Well, that and my Cornish mother. And Cornish grandmother, and Cornish grandfather on my Cornish mother's side, and oh yes my Cornish grandmother and Cornish grandfather, on my Cornish father's side, and all their Cornish parents, and all THEIR Cornish parents. And all THEIR Cornish parents. And the fact my Cornish grandmother - Annie Maud Jory - was so Cornish she was one of the last little girls to work up at grass as a bal maiden in a Cornish tin mine - at St Agnes in Cornwall. And then there's my Cornish cousins who actually founded Cornish Solidarity. And my other Cornish cousins in Mebyon Kernow, the Sons of Cornwall

    And the fact that my Cornish sister and her Cornish relatives and my Cornish niece and Cornish neohew live on the beautiful outskirts of Falmouth in Cornwall about two miles from where our Cornish ancestors provably lived in the 12th century around Constantine, Helford and Gweek. In Cornwall

    And my mum makes a fucking great pasty. And ace saffron buns

    Yep, apart from that, not Cornish at all

    You were born in devon, you lived in hereford

    Someone with the same background as you that was born in boston usa, lived in the usa is a plastic paddy not irish....you are not cornish you just have good antecedents and a plastic cornishman....sorry if the truth hurts you are no more cornish than a ginsters pasty
    You can't be Cornish because you can't take even the mildest joke at your expense, whereas a salty ability to self deprecate is a known trait of the Cornubians

    I forgot to mention my Cornish great ggggggggggg grandfather who got dispossessed of his Cornish manor because of his major role in the Cornish Rebellion
    I think @Pagan2 has a point. The limited amount of ancestry I can do puts all mine in London. I was born in London and lived there until exactly my 9th birthday. I don't consider myself to be a Londoner though as I have lived the vast majority of my life outside of London.
    Yes, it must be frustrating as a real Cornishman being beset by people who claim to be Cornish but aren’t actually produced in the Cornwall region.

    Maybe there should be a Cornish PDO?
    Nope there shouldn't, just saying people claim to be of a culture (a lot of the time americans) while having no concept of the culture is all and yes that is annoying to people of the original culture. My son's mother was irish and one of the thing she hated for example was people in the us giving their kids irish names but without the ability to know how to pronounce them
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 59,872
    Pagan2 said:

    kjh said:

    Leon said:

    Pagan2 said:

    Leon said:

    Pagan2 said:

    Leon said:

    Pagan2 said:

    Leon said:

    Is there any particular part of Cornwall where the language is stronger?

    Inside the dark heart of @Pagan2's most recent ayahuasca trip?
    You are cornish in the same way that Irish americans are irish, take your pish elsewhere
    Oh cheer up. I am gently teasing
    You weren't even born in cornwall you idiot you only claim to being cornish is your father....plastic paddy land
    Well, that and my Cornish mother. And Cornish grandmother, and Cornish grandfather on my Cornish mother's side, and oh yes my Cornish grandmother and Cornish grandfather, on my Cornish father's side, and all their Cornish parents, and all THEIR Cornish parents. And all THEIR Cornish parents. And the fact my Cornish grandmother - Annie Maud Jory - was so Cornish she was one of the last little girls to work up at grass as a bal maiden in a Cornish tin mine - at St Agnes in Cornwall. And then there's my Cornish cousins who actually founded Cornish Solidarity. And my other Cornish cousins in Mebyon Kernow, the Sons of Cornwall

    And the fact that my Cornish sister and her Cornish relatives and my Cornish niece and Cornish neohew live on the beautiful outskirts of Falmouth in Cornwall about two miles from where our Cornish ancestors provably lived in the 12th century around Constantine, Helford and Gweek. In Cornwall

    And my mum makes a fucking great pasty. And ace saffron buns

    Yep, apart from that, not Cornish at all

    You were born in devon, you lived in hereford

    Someone with the same background as you that was born in boston usa, lived in the usa is a plastic paddy not irish....you are not cornish you just have good antecedents and a plastic cornishman....sorry if the truth hurts you are no more cornish than a ginsters pasty
    You can't be Cornish because you can't take even the mildest joke at your expense, whereas a salty ability to self deprecate is a known trait of the Cornubians

    I forgot to mention my Cornish great ggggggggggg grandfather who got dispossessed of his Cornish manor because of his major role in the Cornish Rebellion
    I think @Pagan2 has a point. The limited amount of ancestry I can do puts all mine in London. I was born in London and lived there until exactly my 9th birthday. I don't consider myself to be a Londoner though as I have lived the vast majority of my life outside of London.
    Growing up in an area gives you a cultural attitude to life, I don't believe someone who grew up in america, australia, yorkshire, cornwall will all have the same attitude to life on the whole even if they were born at the same time in the same hospital
    I think attitudes to live in Australia vary a lot depending on whether you are in Sydney or Alice Springs or Perth! (And similar is true - of course - for the US.)
  • LeonLeon Posts: 60,959
    TimS said:

    Pagan2 said:

    kjh said:

    Leon said:

    Pagan2 said:

    Leon said:

    Pagan2 said:

    Leon said:

    Pagan2 said:

    Leon said:

    Is there any particular part of Cornwall where the language is stronger?

    Inside the dark heart of @Pagan2's most recent ayahuasca trip?
    You are cornish in the same way that Irish americans are irish, take your pish elsewhere
    Oh cheer up. I am gently teasing
    You weren't even born in cornwall you idiot you only claim to being cornish is your father....plastic paddy land
    Well, that and my Cornish mother. And Cornish grandmother, and Cornish grandfather on my Cornish mother's side, and oh yes my Cornish grandmother and Cornish grandfather, on my Cornish father's side, and all their Cornish parents, and all THEIR Cornish parents. And all THEIR Cornish parents. And the fact my Cornish grandmother - Annie Maud Jory - was so Cornish she was one of the last little girls to work up at grass as a bal maiden in a Cornish tin mine - at St Agnes in Cornwall. And then there's my Cornish cousins who actually founded Cornish Solidarity. And my other Cornish cousins in Mebyon Kernow, the Sons of Cornwall

    And the fact that my Cornish sister and her Cornish relatives and my Cornish niece and Cornish neohew live on the beautiful outskirts of Falmouth in Cornwall about two miles from where our Cornish ancestors provably lived in the 12th century around Constantine, Helford and Gweek. In Cornwall

    And my mum makes a fucking great pasty. And ace saffron buns

    Yep, apart from that, not Cornish at all

    You were born in devon, you lived in hereford

    Someone with the same background as you that was born in boston usa, lived in the usa is a plastic paddy not irish....you are not cornish you just have good antecedents and a plastic cornishman....sorry if the truth hurts you are no more cornish than a ginsters pasty
    You can't be Cornish because you can't take even the mildest joke at your expense, whereas a salty ability to self deprecate is a known trait of the Cornubians

    I forgot to mention my Cornish great ggggggggggg grandfather who got dispossessed of his Cornish manor because of his major role in the Cornish Rebellion
    I think @Pagan2 has a point. The limited amount of ancestry I can do puts all mine in London. I was born in London and lived there until exactly my 9th birthday. I don't consider myself to be a Londoner though as I have lived the vast majority of my life outside of London.
    Growing up in an area gives you a cultural attitude to life, I don't believe someone who grew up in america, australia, yorkshire, cornwall will all have the same attitude to life on the whole even if they were born at the same time in the same hospital
    Indeed. Provenance and terroir are important.
    My Dad was so keen for me to be born in Cornwall, he very nearly persuaded my heavily heavily pregnant mum to be driven from the Devon coast, just over the Tamar into the Duchy, to some relative's house, when the moment came

    In the event, when she started having contractions, my Mum went off the idea. Perhaps not surprisingly

    True story!
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 45,293
    Pagan2 said:

    kjh said:

    Leon said:

    Pagan2 said:

    Leon said:

    Pagan2 said:

    Leon said:

    Pagan2 said:

    Leon said:

    Is there any particular part of Cornwall where the language is stronger?

    Inside the dark heart of @Pagan2's most recent ayahuasca trip?
    You are cornish in the same way that Irish americans are irish, take your pish elsewhere
    Oh cheer up. I am gently teasing
    You weren't even born in cornwall you idiot you only claim to being cornish is your father....plastic paddy land
    Well, that and my Cornish mother. And Cornish grandmother, and Cornish grandfather on my Cornish mother's side, and oh yes my Cornish grandmother and Cornish grandfather, on my Cornish father's side, and all their Cornish parents, and all THEIR Cornish parents. And all THEIR Cornish parents. And the fact my Cornish grandmother - Annie Maud Jory - was so Cornish she was one of the last little girls to work up at grass as a bal maiden in a Cornish tin mine - at St Agnes in Cornwall. And then there's my Cornish cousins who actually founded Cornish Solidarity. And my other Cornish cousins in Mebyon Kernow, the Sons of Cornwall

    And the fact that my Cornish sister and her Cornish relatives and my Cornish niece and Cornish neohew live on the beautiful outskirts of Falmouth in Cornwall about two miles from where our Cornish ancestors provably lived in the 12th century around Constantine, Helford and Gweek. In Cornwall

    And my mum makes a fucking great pasty. And ace saffron buns

    Yep, apart from that, not Cornish at all

    You were born in devon, you lived in hereford

    Someone with the same background as you that was born in boston usa, lived in the usa is a plastic paddy not irish....you are not cornish you just have good antecedents and a plastic cornishman....sorry if the truth hurts you are no more cornish than a ginsters pasty
    You can't be Cornish because you can't take even the mildest joke at your expense, whereas a salty ability to self deprecate is a known trait of the Cornubians

    I forgot to mention my Cornish great ggggggggggg grandfather who got dispossessed of his Cornish manor because of his major role in the Cornish Rebellion
    I think @Pagan2 has a point. The limited amount of ancestry I can do puts all mine in London. I was born in London and lived there until exactly my 9th birthday. I don't consider myself to be a Londoner though as I have lived the vast majority of my life outside of London.
    Growing up in an area gives you a cultural attitude to life, I don't believe someone who grew up in america, australia, yorkshire, cornwall will all have the same attitude to life on the whole even if they were born at the same time in the same hospital
    I think this stuff is overstated, people are broadly similar, but I would concur that where you grow up has a bigger impact than where you are born (where different).
  • Pagan2Pagan2 Posts: 11,519
    Leon said:

    Pagan2 said:

    Leon said:

    Pagan2 said:

    carnforth said:
    Quote from one of your links showing leon talking bollocks

    "Cornish became extinct as a living community language in Cornwall by the end of the 18th century, although knowledge of Cornish, including speaking ability to a certain extent, persisted within some families and individuals.[12] "
    As I said before when we discussed this, if your family genuinely did speak a native version of Cornish until your mother's generation, that is a fantastical survival. Truly!

    I find it hard to believe just because it would be so exceptional, but I don't rule it out (not that you should care for my opinion, I am just making it plain)

    Indeed, I would love your story to be true! People speaking native Cornish at home into the 20th century would be sensational news for anyone with a love of linguistics. So, I hope it is true
    Sadly never really learned it as my parents moved to the foreign lands of padstow
    Warleggan would be a brilliant place for it to survive - it is indeed remote, brooding and strange, up on the moor

    It was a good choice for the villain's name in Poldark

    Did you live there as a tot? Do you remember it? Even now Bodmin Moor is quite freaky
    My parents moved to padstow before I was born but some of the tales about warleggan they told me were odd like the priest populating his church with cardboard cutouts
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 45,293
    IanB2 said:

    kinabalu said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Is it troll time again?

    I think the "Cornish heritage" stuff is genuine tbf.
    Despite being the only known descendent of a certain well-known Viking Norman, who wasn’t Cornish in the slightest? Illegal immigrant is the most he can claim.
    Oh. Well that rather undermines everything. I didn't know that.
  • Pagan2Pagan2 Posts: 11,519
    rcs1000 said:

    Pagan2 said:

    kjh said:

    Leon said:

    Pagan2 said:

    Leon said:

    Pagan2 said:

    Leon said:

    Pagan2 said:

    Leon said:

    Is there any particular part of Cornwall where the language is stronger?

    Inside the dark heart of @Pagan2's most recent ayahuasca trip?
    You are cornish in the same way that Irish americans are irish, take your pish elsewhere
    Oh cheer up. I am gently teasing
    You weren't even born in cornwall you idiot you only claim to being cornish is your father....plastic paddy land
    Well, that and my Cornish mother. And Cornish grandmother, and Cornish grandfather on my Cornish mother's side, and oh yes my Cornish grandmother and Cornish grandfather, on my Cornish father's side, and all their Cornish parents, and all THEIR Cornish parents. And all THEIR Cornish parents. And the fact my Cornish grandmother - Annie Maud Jory - was so Cornish she was one of the last little girls to work up at grass as a bal maiden in a Cornish tin mine - at St Agnes in Cornwall. And then there's my Cornish cousins who actually founded Cornish Solidarity. And my other Cornish cousins in Mebyon Kernow, the Sons of Cornwall

    And the fact that my Cornish sister and her Cornish relatives and my Cornish niece and Cornish neohew live on the beautiful outskirts of Falmouth in Cornwall about two miles from where our Cornish ancestors provably lived in the 12th century around Constantine, Helford and Gweek. In Cornwall

    And my mum makes a fucking great pasty. And ace saffron buns

    Yep, apart from that, not Cornish at all

    You were born in devon, you lived in hereford

    Someone with the same background as you that was born in boston usa, lived in the usa is a plastic paddy not irish....you are not cornish you just have good antecedents and a plastic cornishman....sorry if the truth hurts you are no more cornish than a ginsters pasty
    You can't be Cornish because you can't take even the mildest joke at your expense, whereas a salty ability to self deprecate is a known trait of the Cornubians

    I forgot to mention my Cornish great ggggggggggg grandfather who got dispossessed of his Cornish manor because of his major role in the Cornish Rebellion
    I think @Pagan2 has a point. The limited amount of ancestry I can do puts all mine in London. I was born in London and lived there until exactly my 9th birthday. I don't consider myself to be a Londoner though as I have lived the vast majority of my life outside of London.
    Growing up in an area gives you a cultural attitude to life, I don't believe someone who grew up in america, australia, yorkshire, cornwall will all have the same attitude to life on the whole even if they were born at the same time in the same hospital
    I think attitudes to live in Australia vary a lot depending on whether you are in Sydney or Alice Springs or Perth! (And similar is true - of course - for the US.)
    Precisely my point, doesnt matter what your antecedents. You way of thinking is informed by the early years of where you matured
  • LeonLeon Posts: 60,959
    Pagan2 said:

    Leon said:

    Pagan2 said:

    Leon said:

    Pagan2 said:

    carnforth said:
    Quote from one of your links showing leon talking bollocks

    "Cornish became extinct as a living community language in Cornwall by the end of the 18th century, although knowledge of Cornish, including speaking ability to a certain extent, persisted within some families and individuals.[12] "
    As I said before when we discussed this, if your family genuinely did speak a native version of Cornish until your mother's generation, that is a fantastical survival. Truly!

    I find it hard to believe just because it would be so exceptional, but I don't rule it out (not that you should care for my opinion, I am just making it plain)

    Indeed, I would love your story to be true! People speaking native Cornish at home into the 20th century would be sensational news for anyone with a love of linguistics. So, I hope it is true
    Sadly never really learned it as my parents moved to the foreign lands of padstow
    Warleggan would be a brilliant place for it to survive - it is indeed remote, brooding and strange, up on the moor

    It was a good choice for the villain's name in Poldark

    Did you live there as a tot? Do you remember it? Even now Bodmin Moor is quite freaky
    My parents moved to padstow before I was born but some of the tales about warleggan they told me were odd like the priest populating his church with cardboard cutouts
    Well, at least Padstow is nice

    My mum was born and grew up in Four Lanes. Do you know it?

    My god, what a depressing dump. It was surely depressing even when the mines were working and there was money, but since?

    Eeek

    Cornwall is so strange. Exquisite beauty sits a mile from total desolation. Sometimes they exist in the very same place. Bright noom and dark noom
  • Pagan2Pagan2 Posts: 11,519
    kinabalu said:

    Pagan2 said:

    kjh said:

    Leon said:

    Pagan2 said:

    Leon said:

    Pagan2 said:

    Leon said:

    Pagan2 said:

    Leon said:

    Is there any particular part of Cornwall where the language is stronger?

    Inside the dark heart of @Pagan2's most recent ayahuasca trip?
    You are cornish in the same way that Irish americans are irish, take your pish elsewhere
    Oh cheer up. I am gently teasing
    You weren't even born in cornwall you idiot you only claim to being cornish is your father....plastic paddy land
    Well, that and my Cornish mother. And Cornish grandmother, and Cornish grandfather on my Cornish mother's side, and oh yes my Cornish grandmother and Cornish grandfather, on my Cornish father's side, and all their Cornish parents, and all THEIR Cornish parents. And all THEIR Cornish parents. And the fact my Cornish grandmother - Annie Maud Jory - was so Cornish she was one of the last little girls to work up at grass as a bal maiden in a Cornish tin mine - at St Agnes in Cornwall. And then there's my Cornish cousins who actually founded Cornish Solidarity. And my other Cornish cousins in Mebyon Kernow, the Sons of Cornwall

    And the fact that my Cornish sister and her Cornish relatives and my Cornish niece and Cornish neohew live on the beautiful outskirts of Falmouth in Cornwall about two miles from where our Cornish ancestors provably lived in the 12th century around Constantine, Helford and Gweek. In Cornwall

    And my mum makes a fucking great pasty. And ace saffron buns

    Yep, apart from that, not Cornish at all

    You were born in devon, you lived in hereford

    Someone with the same background as you that was born in boston usa, lived in the usa is a plastic paddy not irish....you are not cornish you just have good antecedents and a plastic cornishman....sorry if the truth hurts you are no more cornish than a ginsters pasty
    You can't be Cornish because you can't take even the mildest joke at your expense, whereas a salty ability to self deprecate is a known trait of the Cornubians

    I forgot to mention my Cornish great ggggggggggg grandfather who got dispossessed of his Cornish manor because of his major role in the Cornish Rebellion
    I think @Pagan2 has a point. The limited amount of ancestry I can do puts all mine in London. I was born in London and lived there until exactly my 9th birthday. I don't consider myself to be a Londoner though as I have lived the vast majority of my life outside of London.
    Growing up in an area gives you a cultural attitude to life, I don't believe someone who grew up in america, australia, yorkshire, cornwall will all have the same attitude to life on the whole even if they were born at the same time in the same hospital
    I think this stuff is overstated, people are broadly similar, but I would concur that where you grow up has a bigger impact than where you are born (where different).
    See I would disagree, but maybe thats because what you would see as a little difference I see as a big difference.
    For example I am firmly in my word is my bond, for example if I was selling a house and accepted and offer of 100k and I had accepted I would not accept a new offer of 125k and stick with the original.

    My experience of the english mindset is its hell it more money tough luck son
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 54,186
    Have @Leon and @Pagan2 got a room yet? :lol:
  • Pagan2Pagan2 Posts: 11,519
    four lanes was quite a way from us when I grew up in padstow wadebridge 5 miles up the road was viewed with suspicion, indeed there were older people in padstow that had never travelled that far but this was back in the 70's and there was only one bus a day
  • Pagan2Pagan2 Posts: 11,519

    Have @Leon and @Pagan2 got a room yet? :lol:

    Its only cornish girls that make me mazy and leon is neither
  • WhisperingOracleWhisperingOracle Posts: 10,035
    Pagan2 said:

    Leon said:

    Pagan2 said:

    Leon said:

    Pagan2 said:

    carnforth said:
    Quote from one of your links showing leon talking bollocks

    "Cornish became extinct as a living community language in Cornwall by the end of the 18th century, although knowledge of Cornish, including speaking ability to a certain extent, persisted within some families and individuals.[12] "
    As I said before when we discussed this, if your family genuinely did speak a native version of Cornish until your mother's generation, that is a fantastical survival. Truly!

    I find it hard to believe just because it would be so exceptional, but I don't rule it out (not that you should care for my opinion, I am just making it plain)

    Indeed, I would love your story to be true! People speaking native Cornish at home into the 20th century would be sensational news for anyone with a love of linguistics. So, I hope it is true
    Sadly never really learned it as my parents moved to the foreign lands of padstow
    Warleggan would be a brilliant place for it to survive - it is indeed remote, brooding and strange, up on the moor

    It was a good choice for the villain's name in Poldark

    Did you live there as a tot? Do you remember it? Even now Bodmin Moor is quite freaky
    My parents moved to padstow before I was born but some of the tales about warleggan they told me were odd like the priest populating his church with cardboard cutouts
    Sounds suitably atmospheric. The essence of Cornwall is more of a mystery to most people than much of the rest of Britain.
  • TimSTimS Posts: 15,429
    edited May 20
    Leon said:

    Pagan2 said:

    Leon said:

    Pagan2 said:

    Leon said:

    Pagan2 said:

    carnforth said:
    Quote from one of your links showing leon talking bollocks

    "Cornish became extinct as a living community language in Cornwall by the end of the 18th century, although knowledge of Cornish, including speaking ability to a certain extent, persisted within some families and individuals.[12] "
    As I said before when we discussed this, if your family genuinely did speak a native version of Cornish until your mother's generation, that is a fantastical survival. Truly!

    I find it hard to believe just because it would be so exceptional, but I don't rule it out (not that you should care for my opinion, I am just making it plain)

    Indeed, I would love your story to be true! People speaking native Cornish at home into the 20th century would be sensational news for anyone with a love of linguistics. So, I hope it is true
    Sadly never really learned it as my parents moved to the foreign lands of padstow
    Warleggan would be a brilliant place for it to survive - it is indeed remote, brooding and strange, up on the moor

    It was a good choice for the villain's name in Poldark

    Did you live there as a tot? Do you remember it? Even now Bodmin Moor is quite freaky
    My parents moved to padstow before I was born but some of the tales about warleggan they told me were odd like the priest populating his church with cardboard cutouts
    Well, at least Padstow is nice

    My mum was born and grew up in Four Lanes. Do you know it?

    My god, what a depressing dump. It was surely depressing even when the mines were working and there was money, but since?

    Eeek

    Cornwall is so strange. Exquisite beauty sits a mile from total desolation. Sometimes they exist in the very same place. Bright noom and dark noom
    For desolate old mine workings by the sea I recommend the Sierra Almagrera in the Costa Almeria. Desolate scrubby hills that are practically impenetrable, with the remains of Phoenician silver mines scattered alongside more recent (19th century) efforts.

    A couple of miles inland from where the Americans accidentally dropped a nuclear bomb out of a B52 in the 1950s, but managed to recover it before anything happened.
  • Pagan2Pagan2 Posts: 11,519

    Pagan2 said:

    Leon said:

    Pagan2 said:

    Leon said:

    Pagan2 said:

    carnforth said:
    Quote from one of your links showing leon talking bollocks

    "Cornish became extinct as a living community language in Cornwall by the end of the 18th century, although knowledge of Cornish, including speaking ability to a certain extent, persisted within some families and individuals.[12] "
    As I said before when we discussed this, if your family genuinely did speak a native version of Cornish until your mother's generation, that is a fantastical survival. Truly!

    I find it hard to believe just because it would be so exceptional, but I don't rule it out (not that you should care for my opinion, I am just making it plain)

    Indeed, I would love your story to be true! People speaking native Cornish at home into the 20th century would be sensational news for anyone with a love of linguistics. So, I hope it is true
    Sadly never really learned it as my parents moved to the foreign lands of padstow
    Warleggan would be a brilliant place for it to survive - it is indeed remote, brooding and strange, up on the moor

    It was a good choice for the villain's name in Poldark

    Did you live there as a tot? Do you remember it? Even now Bodmin Moor is quite freaky
    My parents moved to padstow before I was born but some of the tales about warleggan they told me were odd like the priest populating his church with cardboard cutouts
    Sounds suitably atmospheric. The essence of Cornwall is more of a mystery to most people than much of the rest of Britain.
    When you transit from devon to cornwall even the scenery changes, you switch from the sedimentary sandstone lands to the much more sharp lands of igneous granite. I cant explain why but it lifts my spirit to go home in a way devon doesn't even though they are probably equally green
  • Pagan2Pagan2 Posts: 11,519
    Omnia said it best I think https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UU24A_a7rHo
  • kjhkjh Posts: 12,640
    Drove to the pub in the Cobra. Got a thumbs up on the way and the party on the next table are talking about it. My ears pricked up when they mentioned Carroll Shelby (wish it was one of his). The other day I had 7 comments on just one short trip, normally white van man at traffic lights. Of all the comments only one has been from a woman and she said her boyfriend had one 40 years ago!!! I was actually filmed going down the A24 a couple of weeks ago.

    Great fun.

    Tip:

    Cobra attracts white van man
    Dog attracts young women
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 45,293
    Pagan2 said:

    kinabalu said:

    Pagan2 said:

    kjh said:

    Leon said:

    Pagan2 said:

    Leon said:

    Pagan2 said:

    Leon said:

    Pagan2 said:

    Leon said:

    Is there any particular part of Cornwall where the language is stronger?

    Inside the dark heart of @Pagan2's most recent ayahuasca trip?
    You are cornish in the same way that Irish americans are irish, take your pish elsewhere
    Oh cheer up. I am gently teasing
    You weren't even born in cornwall you idiot you only claim to being cornish is your father....plastic paddy land
    Well, that and my Cornish mother. And Cornish grandmother, and Cornish grandfather on my Cornish mother's side, and oh yes my Cornish grandmother and Cornish grandfather, on my Cornish father's side, and all their Cornish parents, and all THEIR Cornish parents. And all THEIR Cornish parents. And the fact my Cornish grandmother - Annie Maud Jory - was so Cornish she was one of the last little girls to work up at grass as a bal maiden in a Cornish tin mine - at St Agnes in Cornwall. And then there's my Cornish cousins who actually founded Cornish Solidarity. And my other Cornish cousins in Mebyon Kernow, the Sons of Cornwall

    And the fact that my Cornish sister and her Cornish relatives and my Cornish niece and Cornish neohew live on the beautiful outskirts of Falmouth in Cornwall about two miles from where our Cornish ancestors provably lived in the 12th century around Constantine, Helford and Gweek. In Cornwall

    And my mum makes a fucking great pasty. And ace saffron buns

    Yep, apart from that, not Cornish at all

    You were born in devon, you lived in hereford

    Someone with the same background as you that was born in boston usa, lived in the usa is a plastic paddy not irish....you are not cornish you just have good antecedents and a plastic cornishman....sorry if the truth hurts you are no more cornish than a ginsters pasty
    You can't be Cornish because you can't take even the mildest joke at your expense, whereas a salty ability to self deprecate is a known trait of the Cornubians

    I forgot to mention my Cornish great ggggggggggg grandfather who got dispossessed of his Cornish manor because of his major role in the Cornish Rebellion
    I think @Pagan2 has a point. The limited amount of ancestry I can do puts all mine in London. I was born in London and lived there until exactly my 9th birthday. I don't consider myself to be a Londoner though as I have lived the vast majority of my life outside of London.
    Growing up in an area gives you a cultural attitude to life, I don't believe someone who grew up in america, australia, yorkshire, cornwall will all have the same attitude to life on the whole even if they were born at the same time in the same hospital
    I think this stuff is overstated, people are broadly similar, but I would concur that where you grow up has a bigger impact than where you are born (where different).
    See I would disagree, but maybe thats because what you would see as a little difference I see as a big difference.
    For example I am firmly in my word is my bond, for example if I was selling a house and accepted and offer of 100k and I had accepted I would not accept a new offer of 125k and stick with the original.

    My experience of the english mindset is its hell it more money tough luck son
    Well neither would I and I'm not Cornish.

    Still, a sample of 2 proves little either way.
  • nico67nico67 Posts: 5,551
    Cornwall is a part of the country that really feels different . I’ve been down loads of times to visit friends . As soon as you cross the Tamar Bridge it just feels like you’ve entered a different country in a very good way. It’s a unique place with a sense of mystery , the place names hark back to a different time, it’s almost out worldly .
  • Pagan2Pagan2 Posts: 11,519
    nico67 said:

    Cornwall is a part of the country that really feels different . I’ve been down loads of times to visit friends . As soon as you cross the Tamar Bridge it just feels like you’ve entered a different country in a very good way. It’s a unique place with a sense of mystery , the place names hark back to a different time, it’s almost out worldly .

    It is hard to explain why, its just home and we all like to return when we can. Crossing the Tamar lifts my spirits in a way I don't get anywhere else in the world
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 45,293
    nico67 said:

    Cornwall is a part of the country that really feels different . I’ve been down loads of times to visit friends . As soon as you cross the Tamar Bridge it just feels like you’ve entered a different country in a very good way. It’s a unique place with a sense of mystery , the place names hark back to a different time, it’s almost out worldly .

    I agree. If I want a foreign holiday without leaving the country I go to Cornwall.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 60,959
    Pagan2 said:

    Pagan2 said:

    Leon said:

    Pagan2 said:

    Leon said:

    Pagan2 said:

    carnforth said:
    Quote from one of your links showing leon talking bollocks

    "Cornish became extinct as a living community language in Cornwall by the end of the 18th century, although knowledge of Cornish, including speaking ability to a certain extent, persisted within some families and individuals.[12] "
    As I said before when we discussed this, if your family genuinely did speak a native version of Cornish until your mother's generation, that is a fantastical survival. Truly!

    I find it hard to believe just because it would be so exceptional, but I don't rule it out (not that you should care for my opinion, I am just making it plain)

    Indeed, I would love your story to be true! People speaking native Cornish at home into the 20th century would be sensational news for anyone with a love of linguistics. So, I hope it is true
    Sadly never really learned it as my parents moved to the foreign lands of padstow
    Warleggan would be a brilliant place for it to survive - it is indeed remote, brooding and strange, up on the moor

    It was a good choice for the villain's name in Poldark

    Did you live there as a tot? Do you remember it? Even now Bodmin Moor is quite freaky
    My parents moved to padstow before I was born but some of the tales about warleggan they told me were odd like the priest populating his church with cardboard cutouts
    Sounds suitably atmospheric. The essence of Cornwall is more of a mystery to most people than much of the rest of Britain.
    When you transit from devon to cornwall even the scenery changes, you switch from the sedimentary sandstone lands to the much more sharp lands of igneous granite. I cant explain why but it lifts my spirit to go home in a way devon doesn't even though they are probably equally green
    Poorer yet prettier, sadder yet happier. As soon as you cross the Tamar, from the lushness of Devon

    When I was a lad in Hereford we always used to take our holidays with the fam in Cornwall (usually my Auntie Iris in Carnkie), My God that was a long drive in the 1970s. Hours and hours. As we passed each county my Mum and Dad would sing a song for each one, something about Somerset, then "Devon Glorious Devon"

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_oQMZV-8p5Y

    Then finally we would reach the Tamar and the whole car would launch into Trelawny as we made it into Cornwall

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ere9fNgSGe8

    Ah, feck, I'm about to start crying. I'd better go to the shops

    Tune in again tomorrow to These Cornish Memories, Part 739
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 84,203
    edited May 20
    Leon said:

    MaxPB said:

    Leon said:

    MaxPB said:

    Leon said:

    MaxPB said:

    carnforth said:

    "An Egyptian fisherman who helped organise the movement of more than 3,000 migrants as part of a £12 million illegal boat crossing operation has been jailed for 25 years.

    UK-based Ahmed Ebid, 42, was involved in smuggling nearly 3,800 people from North Africa to Italy between October 2022 and June 2023, with some making their way to Britain, the National Crime Agency (NCA) said."

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/ce399l1329lo

    He arrived in the UK on a small boat in 2022 after spending five years in jail in Italy for attempted drug smuggling. He applied for asylum in the UK but never received a decision.

    Ebid, whose wife and sons are in the UK, had been living in Home Office-funded accommodation in south-west London at the time of his arrest.
    Literally deport them all, take their fingerprints and if they ever try and return deport them instantly with no recourse to appeal. This country is a joke.
    It makes me want to weep

    This fucker was in "Home Office Accommodation" with his wife and kids. That's nice for him. Me and you were paying his fucking rent as he trafficked hostile people into the UK, or threw people overboard into the Channel

    This is why we need Reform. We need seriously brutal remedies for all this. Enough
    Predictably when this dickhead gets out of jail he'll win a court case to remain in the country on the basis that his wife and child have adjusted to life here and he can't be separated from his family. No, fuck the jail sentence, deport him now to Italy or Egypt. We have no need to have this fucker in our jails taking up space and resources all while we lose the ability to deport him and his family. They all should be on the plane tomorrow.
    If HMG doesn't get a grip on stuff like this I don't see how Farage loses. The nation has lost all patience. You can sense it; it is palpable
    It's what I said about a week ago, these are the types of cases and stories that are radicalising reliably middle of the road Tories to become much more right wing and throw their lot in with Reform. There's a sense of unfairness and injustice to British citizens that scumbags like this are able to exploit the law and take advantage of us that the Tories utterly failed to address and Labour will need to get sharp with immediately or I could see a landslide for Reform if they pledge to ignore the ECHR and deport all foreign criminals Trump style. Ordinary voters don't care for the minutia of habeus corpus and whatever we might discuss on pb, they want action and they want the criminals and illegal immigrants deported.
    Yup

    See also Gregg's now having to put their pasties and sarnies behind glass, because of the repeated and blatant shoplifting, which goes unpunished

    It's stories like this - visible to all (literally witnessed by @Casino_Royale in Gregg's last week) which is driving people to a radical solution. The sense of total unfairness the sense of life declining, the sense of criminals now totally takng the piss and our spineless government siding with anyone but the poor native honest hardworking Brits

    Toxic
    The Tesco Express in my nearest town which is very well to do now resembling a corner shop out of the Wire with the dodgy definitely not Turkish barbers with no customers next door, doesn't exactly send out great vibes. This is not the current governments fault, but it certainly isn't getting any better (yet).
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 51,555
    An anonymous Conservative source attributed the collapse in support to the Tories not “doing enough to get our voice out there and when we do it looks unserious, unprofessional, desperate and seems unremorseful for how badly we mucked up. A serious cull of the party needs to happen ASAP,” they said, adding that they “would burn the likes of Liz Truss at the stake and kick her out the party. Public execution. Start there, show we are changing and understand how badly we mucked up.”

    “Stop with knee-jerk, desperate reactions like [the response to the] EU [deal] yesterday to try and play to the public. Professionalism must be the aim of the game.”

    Steve Akehurst, director of Persuasion UK, a think tank which tracks public opinion, said the Tory brand is “damaged after government, but also they have basically zero definition over Reform – and Reform are getting a ton of media coverage, especially after the [local elections.]”
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 84,203
    edited May 20
    nico67 said:

    Cornwall is a part of the country that really feels different . I’ve been down loads of times to visit friends . As soon as you cross the Tamar Bridge it just feels like you’ve entered a different country in a very good way. It’s a unique place with a sense of mystery , the place names hark back to a different time, it’s almost out worldly .

    I would say it starts before then. Devon is very similar if you venture more than a few miles away from the motorway.
  • Pagan2Pagan2 Posts: 11,519
    Leon said:

    Pagan2 said:

    Pagan2 said:

    Leon said:

    Pagan2 said:

    Leon said:

    Pagan2 said:

    carnforth said:
    Quote from one of your links showing leon talking bollocks

    "Cornish became extinct as a living community language in Cornwall by the end of the 18th century, although knowledge of Cornish, including speaking ability to a certain extent, persisted within some families and individuals.[12] "
    As I said before when we discussed this, if your family genuinely did speak a native version of Cornish until your mother's generation, that is a fantastical survival. Truly!

    I find it hard to believe just because it would be so exceptional, but I don't rule it out (not that you should care for my opinion, I am just making it plain)

    Indeed, I would love your story to be true! People speaking native Cornish at home into the 20th century would be sensational news for anyone with a love of linguistics. So, I hope it is true
    Sadly never really learned it as my parents moved to the foreign lands of padstow
    Warleggan would be a brilliant place for it to survive - it is indeed remote, brooding and strange, up on the moor

    It was a good choice for the villain's name in Poldark

    Did you live there as a tot? Do you remember it? Even now Bodmin Moor is quite freaky
    My parents moved to padstow before I was born but some of the tales about warleggan they told me were odd like the priest populating his church with cardboard cutouts
    Sounds suitably atmospheric. The essence of Cornwall is more of a mystery to most people than much of the rest of Britain.
    When you transit from devon to cornwall even the scenery changes, you switch from the sedimentary sandstone lands to the much more sharp lands of igneous granite. I cant explain why but it lifts my spirit to go home in a way devon doesn't even though they are probably equally green
    Poorer yet prettier, sadder yet happier. As soon as you cross the Tamar, from the lushness of Devon

    When I was a lad in Hereford we always used to take our holidays with the fam in Cornwall (usually my Auntie Iris in Carnkie), My God that was a long drive in the 1970s. Hours and hours. As we passed each county my Mum and Dad would sing a song for each one, something about Somerset, then "Devon Glorious Devon"

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_oQMZV-8p5Y

    Then finally we would reach the Tamar and the whole car would launch into Trelawny as we made it into Cornwall

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ere9fNgSGe8

    Ah, feck, I'm about to start crying. I'd better go to the shops

    Tune in again tomorrow to These Cornish Memories, Part 739
    may I offer
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M0I9_mTX0lg

  • FishingFishing Posts: 5,558
    kinabalu said:

    nico67 said:

    Cornwall is a part of the country that really feels different . I’ve been down loads of times to visit friends . As soon as you cross the Tamar Bridge it just feels like you’ve entered a different country in a very good way. It’s a unique place with a sense of mystery , the place names hark back to a different time, it’s almost out worldly .

    I agree. If I want a foreign holiday without leaving the country I go to Cornwall.
    Not Southall or Brixton?
  • nico67nico67 Posts: 5,551
    Pagan2 said:

    nico67 said:

    Cornwall is a part of the country that really feels different . I’ve been down loads of times to visit friends . As soon as you cross the Tamar Bridge it just feels like you’ve entered a different country in a very good way. It’s a unique place with a sense of mystery , the place names hark back to a different time, it’s almost out worldly .

    It is hard to explain why, its just home and we all like to return when we can. Crossing the Tamar lifts my spirits in a way I don't get anywhere else in the world
    I love Cornwall as you can gather and am hoping to get down there again in September .
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 55,321
    edited May 20
    IanB2 said:

    An anonymous Conservative source attributed the collapse in support to the Tories not “doing enough to get our voice out there and when we do it looks unserious, unprofessional, desperate and seems unremorseful for how badly we mucked up. A serious cull of the party needs to happen ASAP,” they said, adding that they “would burn the likes of Liz Truss at the stake and kick her out the party. Public execution. Start there, show we are changing and understand how badly we mucked up.”

    Presumably the source is on the run because he's facing three years in prison?
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 45,293
    Fishing said:

    kinabalu said:

    nico67 said:

    Cornwall is a part of the country that really feels different . I’ve been down loads of times to visit friends . As soon as you cross the Tamar Bridge it just feels like you’ve entered a different country in a very good way. It’s a unique place with a sense of mystery , the place names hark back to a different time, it’s almost out worldly .

    I agree. If I want a foreign holiday without leaving the country I go to Cornwall.
    Not Southall or Brixton?
    No, that's my city.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 54,186
    Fishing said:

    kinabalu said:

    nico67 said:

    Cornwall is a part of the country that really feels different . I’ve been down loads of times to visit friends . As soon as you cross the Tamar Bridge it just feels like you’ve entered a different country in a very good way. It’s a unique place with a sense of mystery , the place names hark back to a different time, it’s almost out worldly .

    I agree. If I want a foreign holiday without leaving the country I go to Cornwall.
    Not Southall or Brixton?
    North Ilford Ghetto :lol:
  • LeonLeon Posts: 60,959
    edited May 20
    Pagan2 said:

    Leon said:

    Pagan2 said:

    Pagan2 said:

    Leon said:

    Pagan2 said:

    Leon said:

    Pagan2 said:

    carnforth said:
    Quote from one of your links showing leon talking bollocks

    "Cornish became extinct as a living community language in Cornwall by the end of the 18th century, although knowledge of Cornish, including speaking ability to a certain extent, persisted within some families and individuals.[12] "
    As I said before when we discussed this, if your family genuinely did speak a native version of Cornish until your mother's generation, that is a fantastical survival. Truly!

    I find it hard to believe just because it would be so exceptional, but I don't rule it out (not that you should care for my opinion, I am just making it plain)

    Indeed, I would love your story to be true! People speaking native Cornish at home into the 20th century would be sensational news for anyone with a love of linguistics. So, I hope it is true
    Sadly never really learned it as my parents moved to the foreign lands of padstow
    Warleggan would be a brilliant place for it to survive - it is indeed remote, brooding and strange, up on the moor

    It was a good choice for the villain's name in Poldark

    Did you live there as a tot? Do you remember it? Even now Bodmin Moor is quite freaky
    My parents moved to padstow before I was born but some of the tales about warleggan they told me were odd like the priest populating his church with cardboard cutouts
    Sounds suitably atmospheric. The essence of Cornwall is more of a mystery to most people than much of the rest of Britain.
    When you transit from devon to cornwall even the scenery changes, you switch from the sedimentary sandstone lands to the much more sharp lands of igneous granite. I cant explain why but it lifts my spirit to go home in a way devon doesn't even though they are probably equally green
    Poorer yet prettier, sadder yet happier. As soon as you cross the Tamar, from the lushness of Devon

    When I was a lad in Hereford we always used to take our holidays with the fam in Cornwall (usually my Auntie Iris in Carnkie), My God that was a long drive in the 1970s. Hours and hours. As we passed each county my Mum and Dad would sing a song for each one, something about Somerset, then "Devon Glorious Devon"

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_oQMZV-8p5Y

    Then finally we would reach the Tamar and the whole car would launch into Trelawny as we made it into Cornwall

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ere9fNgSGe8

    Ah, feck, I'm about to start crying. I'd better go to the shops

    Tune in again tomorrow to These Cornish Memories, Part 739
    may I offer
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M0I9_mTX0lg

    And of course this. My Dad came to love this, in his final few years

    During family get togethers we all used to wear hats around the kitchen table in Truro (no idea why, a weird tradition) and we'd belt this out.

    https://youtu.be/FNCcSJiZR1I?si=dbc3UETcyHSR0Wfz

    And then we'd sing Going Up Camborne Hill, Coming Down

    WHITE STOCKINGS, WHITE STOCKINGS SHE WORE
  • Pagan2Pagan2 Posts: 11,519
    nico67 said:

    Pagan2 said:

    nico67 said:

    Cornwall is a part of the country that really feels different . I’ve been down loads of times to visit friends . As soon as you cross the Tamar Bridge it just feels like you’ve entered a different country in a very good way. It’s a unique place with a sense of mystery , the place names hark back to a different time, it’s almost out worldly .

    It is hard to explain why, its just home and we all like to return when we can. Crossing the Tamar lifts my spirits in a way I don't get anywhere else in the world
    I love Cornwall as you can gather and am hoping to get down there again in September .
    When I moved from Cornwall in 87 to the southeast....I definitely felt like I was in a foreign land, wasn't so much that their were people their from india, pakistan etc.....just the attitudes of all people were so at odds to what I was used to regardless of race/colour/creed
  • Pagan2Pagan2 Posts: 11,519
    Leon said:

    Pagan2 said:

    Leon said:

    Pagan2 said:

    Pagan2 said:

    Leon said:

    Pagan2 said:

    Leon said:

    Pagan2 said:

    carnforth said:
    Quote from one of your links showing leon talking bollocks

    "Cornish became extinct as a living community language in Cornwall by the end of the 18th century, although knowledge of Cornish, including speaking ability to a certain extent, persisted within some families and individuals.[12] "
    As I said before when we discussed this, if your family genuinely did speak a native version of Cornish until your mother's generation, that is a fantastical survival. Truly!

    I find it hard to believe just because it would be so exceptional, but I don't rule it out (not that you should care for my opinion, I am just making it plain)

    Indeed, I would love your story to be true! People speaking native Cornish at home into the 20th century would be sensational news for anyone with a love of linguistics. So, I hope it is true
    Sadly never really learned it as my parents moved to the foreign lands of padstow
    Warleggan would be a brilliant place for it to survive - it is indeed remote, brooding and strange, up on the moor

    It was a good choice for the villain's name in Poldark

    Did you live there as a tot? Do you remember it? Even now Bodmin Moor is quite freaky
    My parents moved to padstow before I was born but some of the tales about warleggan they told me were odd like the priest populating his church with cardboard cutouts
    Sounds suitably atmospheric. The essence of Cornwall is more of a mystery to most people than much of the rest of Britain.
    When you transit from devon to cornwall even the scenery changes, you switch from the sedimentary sandstone lands to the much more sharp lands of igneous granite. I cant explain why but it lifts my spirit to go home in a way devon doesn't even though they are probably equally green
    Poorer yet prettier, sadder yet happier. As soon as you cross the Tamar, from the lushness of Devon

    When I was a lad in Hereford we always used to take our holidays with the fam in Cornwall (usually my Auntie Iris in Carnkie), My God that was a long drive in the 1970s. Hours and hours. As we passed each county my Mum and Dad would sing a song for each one, something about Somerset, then "Devon Glorious Devon"

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_oQMZV-8p5Y

    Then finally we would reach the Tamar and the whole car would launch into Trelawny as we made it into Cornwall

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ere9fNgSGe8

    Ah, feck, I'm about to start crying. I'd better go to the shops

    Tune in again tomorrow to These Cornish Memories, Part 739
    may I offer
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M0I9_mTX0lg

    And of course this. My Dad came to love this, in his final few years

    During family get togethers we all used to wear hats around the kitchen table in Truro (no idea why, a weird tradition) and we'd belt this out.

    https://youtu.be/FNCcSJiZR1I?si=dbc3UETcyHSR0Wfz

    And then we'd sing Coming Up Camborne Hill, Coming Down

    WHITE STOCKINGS, WHITE STOCKINGS SHE WORE
    Fishermans friends were a great cornish export just saying
  • gettingbettergettingbetter Posts: 592
    Very interesting to read all your comments about the frustration of so many in our society. To me the problem seems to be the lack of common sense and good government. As a society we seem to want to have a high level of government spending and intervention, but for the money to be well spent and the intervention to be light touch. We don't want extremism but we do want extremely good government. Massive technological change enables us to have massive productivity improvements in government spending. I don't think the majority of the new Reform councillors will have the faintest idea how to improve local government, but some will and good luck to them.
  • Pagan2Pagan2 Posts: 11,519
    Pagan2 said:

    Leon said:

    Pagan2 said:

    Leon said:

    Pagan2 said:

    Pagan2 said:

    Leon said:

    Pagan2 said:

    Leon said:

    Pagan2 said:

    carnforth said:
    Quote from one of your links showing leon talking bollocks

    "Cornish became extinct as a living community language in Cornwall by the end of the 18th century, although knowledge of Cornish, including speaking ability to a certain extent, persisted within some families and individuals.[12] "
    As I said before when we discussed this, if your family genuinely did speak a native version of Cornish until your mother's generation, that is a fantastical survival. Truly!

    I find it hard to believe just because it would be so exceptional, but I don't rule it out (not that you should care for my opinion, I am just making it plain)

    Indeed, I would love your story to be true! People speaking native Cornish at home into the 20th century would be sensational news for anyone with a love of linguistics. So, I hope it is true
    Sadly never really learned it as my parents moved to the foreign lands of padstow
    Warleggan would be a brilliant place for it to survive - it is indeed remote, brooding and strange, up on the moor

    It was a good choice for the villain's name in Poldark

    Did you live there as a tot? Do you remember it? Even now Bodmin Moor is quite freaky
    My parents moved to padstow before I was born but some of the tales about warleggan they told me were odd like the priest populating his church with cardboard cutouts
    Sounds suitably atmospheric. The essence of Cornwall is more of a mystery to most people than much of the rest of Britain.
    When you transit from devon to cornwall even the scenery changes, you switch from the sedimentary sandstone lands to the much more sharp lands of igneous granite. I cant explain why but it lifts my spirit to go home in a way devon doesn't even though they are probably equally green
    Poorer yet prettier, sadder yet happier. As soon as you cross the Tamar, from the lushness of Devon

    When I was a lad in Hereford we always used to take our holidays with the fam in Cornwall (usually my Auntie Iris in Carnkie), My God that was a long drive in the 1970s. Hours and hours. As we passed each county my Mum and Dad would sing a song for each one, something about Somerset, then "Devon Glorious Devon"

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_oQMZV-8p5Y

    Then finally we would reach the Tamar and the whole car would launch into Trelawny as we made it into Cornwall

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ere9fNgSGe8

    Ah, feck, I'm about to start crying. I'd better go to the shops

    Tune in again tomorrow to These Cornish Memories, Part 739
    may I offer
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M0I9_mTX0lg

    And of course this. My Dad came to love this, in his final few years

    During family get togethers we all used to wear hats around the kitchen table in Truro (no idea why, a weird tradition) and we'd belt this out.

    https://youtu.be/FNCcSJiZR1I?si=dbc3UETcyHSR0Wfz

    And then we'd sing Coming Up Camborne Hill, Coming Down

    WHITE STOCKINGS, WHITE STOCKINGS SHE WORE
    Fishermans friends were a great cornish export just saying
    Sings along "and no one will ever move me of my land, this is my cornwall and this is my home"
  • algarkirkalgarkirk Posts: 14,324
    kinabalu said:

    nico67 said:

    Cornwall is a part of the country that really feels different . I’ve been down loads of times to visit friends . As soon as you cross the Tamar Bridge it just feels like you’ve entered a different country in a very good way. It’s a unique place with a sense of mystery , the place names hark back to a different time, it’s almost out worldly .

    I agree. If I want a foreign holiday without leaving the country I go to Cornwall.
    Then roller into roller curled
    And thundered down the rocky bay,
    And we were in a water world
    Of rain and blizzard, sea and spray,
    And one against the other hurled
    We struggled round to Greenaway.
    Blesséd be St Enodoc, blesséd be the wave,
    Blesséd be the springy turf, we pray, pray to thee,
    Ask for our children all happy days you gave
    To Ralph, Vasey, Alistair, Biddy, John and me.
  • StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 10,006
    Pagan2 said:

    Leon said:

    Pagan2 said:

    Leon said:

    Pagan2 said:

    Pagan2 said:

    Leon said:

    Pagan2 said:

    Leon said:

    Pagan2 said:

    carnforth said:
    Quote from one of your links showing leon talking bollocks

    "Cornish became extinct as a living community language in Cornwall by the end of the 18th century, although knowledge of Cornish, including speaking ability to a certain extent, persisted within some families and individuals.[12] "
    As I said before when we discussed this, if your family genuinely did speak a native version of Cornish until your mother's generation, that is a fantastical survival. Truly!

    I find it hard to believe just because it would be so exceptional, but I don't rule it out (not that you should care for my opinion, I am just making it plain)

    Indeed, I would love your story to be true! People speaking native Cornish at home into the 20th century would be sensational news for anyone with a love of linguistics. So, I hope it is true
    Sadly never really learned it as my parents moved to the foreign lands of padstow
    Warleggan would be a brilliant place for it to survive - it is indeed remote, brooding and strange, up on the moor

    It was a good choice for the villain's name in Poldark

    Did you live there as a tot? Do you remember it? Even now Bodmin Moor is quite freaky
    My parents moved to padstow before I was born but some of the tales about warleggan they told me were odd like the priest populating his church with cardboard cutouts
    Sounds suitably atmospheric. The essence of Cornwall is more of a mystery to most people than much of the rest of Britain.
    When you transit from devon to cornwall even the scenery changes, you switch from the sedimentary sandstone lands to the much more sharp lands of igneous granite. I cant explain why but it lifts my spirit to go home in a way devon doesn't even though they are probably equally green
    Poorer yet prettier, sadder yet happier. As soon as you cross the Tamar, from the lushness of Devon

    When I was a lad in Hereford we always used to take our holidays with the fam in Cornwall (usually my Auntie Iris in Carnkie), My God that was a long drive in the 1970s. Hours and hours. As we passed each county my Mum and Dad would sing a song for each one, something about Somerset, then "Devon Glorious Devon"

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_oQMZV-8p5Y

    Then finally we would reach the Tamar and the whole car would launch into Trelawny as we made it into Cornwall

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ere9fNgSGe8

    Ah, feck, I'm about to start crying. I'd better go to the shops

    Tune in again tomorrow to These Cornish Memories, Part 739
    may I offer
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M0I9_mTX0lg

    And of course this. My Dad came to love this, in his final few years

    During family get togethers we all used to wear hats around the kitchen table in Truro (no idea why, a weird tradition) and we'd belt this out.

    https://youtu.be/FNCcSJiZR1I?si=dbc3UETcyHSR0Wfz

    And then we'd sing Coming Up Camborne Hill, Coming Down


    WHITE STOCKINGS, WHITE STOCKINGS SHE WORE
    Fishermans friends were a great cornish export just saying
    Fisherman friends are from lancs
  • Pagan2Pagan2 Posts: 11,519
    See this is why we need the greater Cornish empire...make the whole world Cornish
  • LeonLeon Posts: 60,959
    Fuck, this is how you end up moving back, isn't it?

    A couple of songs. Fierce family memories. Sadness yet happiness. Something unplaceable dragging at you, like an undertow, like some emotional gravity, surging from nowhere

    I AD HER I AD HER I DID

  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 63,135
    Leon said:

    MaxPB said:

    carnforth said:

    "An Egyptian fisherman who helped organise the movement of more than 3,000 migrants as part of a £12 million illegal boat crossing operation has been jailed for 25 years.

    UK-based Ahmed Ebid, 42, was involved in smuggling nearly 3,800 people from North Africa to Italy between October 2022 and June 2023, with some making their way to Britain, the National Crime Agency (NCA) said."

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/ce399l1329lo

    He arrived in the UK on a small boat in 2022 after spending five years in jail in Italy for attempted drug smuggling. He applied for asylum in the UK but never received a decision.

    Ebid, whose wife and sons are in the UK, had been living in Home Office-funded accommodation in south-west London at the time of his arrest.
    Literally deport them all, take their fingerprints and if they ever try and return deport them instantly with no recourse to appeal. This country is a joke.
    It makes me want to weep

    This fucker was in "Home Office Accommodation" with his wife and kids. That's nice for him. Me and you were paying his fucking rent as he trafficked hostile people into the UK, or threw people overboard into the Channel

    This is why we need Reform. We need seriously brutal remedies for all this. Enough
    He would, therefore, have been able to launch repeated claims under the Right to Family Life.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 51,555
    nico67 said:

    Pagan2 said:

    nico67 said:

    Cornwall is a part of the country that really feels different . I’ve been down loads of times to visit friends . As soon as you cross the Tamar Bridge it just feels like you’ve entered a different country in a very good way. It’s a unique place with a sense of mystery , the place names hark back to a different time, it’s almost out worldly .

    It is hard to explain why, its just home and we all like to return when we can. Crossing the Tamar lifts my spirits in a way I don't get anywhere else in the world
    I love Cornwall as you can gather and am hoping to get down there again in September .
    Mr Dog enjoying Cornwall (somewhat camoflaged)...

  • Pagan2Pagan2 Posts: 11,519
    Leon said:

    Fuck, this is how you end up moving back, isn't it?

    A couple of songs. Fierce family memories. Sadness yet happiness. Something unplaceable dragging at you, like an undertow, like some emotional gravity, surging from nowhere

    I AD HER I AD HER I DID

    Nothing wrong with moving back already got my pyre booked for when I go
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 51,555
    edited May 20

    Pagan2 said:

    Leon said:

    Pagan2 said:

    Leon said:

    Pagan2 said:

    Pagan2 said:

    Leon said:

    Pagan2 said:

    Leon said:

    Pagan2 said:

    carnforth said:
    Quote from one of your links showing leon talking bollocks

    "Cornish became extinct as a living community language in Cornwall by the end of the 18th century, although knowledge of Cornish, including speaking ability to a certain extent, persisted within some families and individuals.[12] "
    As I said before when we discussed this, if your family genuinely did speak a native version of Cornish until your mother's generation, that is a fantastical survival. Truly!

    I find it hard to believe just because it would be so exceptional, but I don't rule it out (not that you should care for my opinion, I am just making it plain)

    Indeed, I would love your story to be true! People speaking native Cornish at home into the 20th century would be sensational news for anyone with a love of linguistics. So, I hope it is true
    Sadly never really learned it as my parents moved to the foreign lands of padstow
    Warleggan would be a brilliant place for it to survive - it is indeed remote, brooding and strange, up on the moor

    It was a good choice for the villain's name in Poldark

    Did you live there as a tot? Do you remember it? Even now Bodmin Moor is quite freaky
    My parents moved to padstow before I was born but some of the tales about warleggan they told me were odd like the priest populating his church with cardboard cutouts
    Sounds suitably atmospheric. The essence of Cornwall is more of a mystery to most people than much of the rest of Britain.
    When you transit from devon to cornwall even the scenery changes, you switch from the sedimentary sandstone lands to the much more sharp lands of igneous granite. I cant explain why but it lifts my spirit to go home in a way devon doesn't even though they are probably equally green
    Poorer yet prettier, sadder yet happier. As soon as you cross the Tamar, from the lushness of Devon

    When I was a lad in Hereford we always used to take our holidays with the fam in Cornwall (usually my Auntie Iris in Carnkie), My God that was a long drive in the 1970s. Hours and hours. As we passed each county my Mum and Dad would sing a song for each one, something about Somerset, then "Devon Glorious Devon"

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_oQMZV-8p5Y

    Then finally we would reach the Tamar and the whole car would launch into Trelawny as we made it into Cornwall

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ere9fNgSGe8

    Ah, feck, I'm about to start crying. I'd better go to the shops

    Tune in again tomorrow to These Cornish Memories, Part 739
    may I offer
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M0I9_mTX0lg

    And of course this. My Dad came to love this, in his final few years

    During family get togethers we all used to wear hats around the kitchen table in Truro (no idea why, a weird tradition) and we'd belt this out.

    https://youtu.be/FNCcSJiZR1I?si=dbc3UETcyHSR0Wfz

    And then we'd sing Coming Up Camborne Hill, Coming Down


    WHITE STOCKINGS, WHITE STOCKINGS SHE WORE
    Fishermans friends were a great cornish export just saying
    Fisherman friends are from lancs
    That's the mints. The band and film are from the small town just around the headland to the left from my photo above.
  • Pagan2Pagan2 Posts: 11,519
    IanB2 said:


    Pagan2 said:

    Leon said:

    Pagan2 said:

    Leon said:

    Pagan2 said:

    Pagan2 said:

    Leon said:

    Pagan2 said:

    Leon said:

    Pagan2 said:

    carnforth said:
    Quote from one of your links showing leon talking bollocks

    "Cornish became extinct as a living community language in Cornwall by the end of the 18th century, although knowledge of Cornish, including speaking ability to a certain extent, persisted within some families and individuals.[12] "
    As I said before when we discussed this, if your family genuinely did speak a native version of Cornish until your mother's generation, that is a fantastical survival. Truly!

    I find it hard to believe just because it would be so exceptional, but I don't rule it out (not that you should care for my opinion, I am just making it plain)

    Indeed, I would love your story to be true! People speaking native Cornish at home into the 20th century would be sensational news for anyone with a love of linguistics. So, I hope it is true
    Sadly never really learned it as my parents moved to the foreign lands of padstow
    Warleggan would be a brilliant place for it to survive - it is indeed remote, brooding and strange, up on the moor

    It was a good choice for the villain's name in Poldark

    Did you live there as a tot? Do you remember it? Even now Bodmin Moor is quite freaky
    My parents moved to padstow before I was born but some of the tales about warleggan they told me were odd like the priest populating his church with cardboard cutouts
    Sounds suitably atmospheric. The essence of Cornwall is more of a mystery to most people than much of the rest of Britain.
    When you transit from devon to cornwall even the scenery changes, you switch from the sedimentary sandstone lands to the much more sharp lands of igneous granite. I cant explain why but it lifts my spirit to go home in a way devon doesn't even though they are probably equally green
    Poorer yet prettier, sadder yet happier. As soon as you cross the Tamar, from the lushness of Devon

    When I was a lad in Hereford we always used to take our holidays with the fam in Cornwall (usually my Auntie Iris in Carnkie), My God that was a long drive in the 1970s. Hours and hours. As we passed each county my Mum and Dad would sing a song for each one, something about Somerset, then "Devon Glorious Devon"

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_oQMZV-8p5Y

    Then finally we would reach the Tamar and the whole car would launch into Trelawny as we made it into Cornwall

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ere9fNgSGe8

    Ah, feck, I'm about to start crying. I'd better go to the shops

    Tune in again tomorrow to These Cornish Memories, Part 739
    may I offer
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M0I9_mTX0lg

    And of course this. My Dad came to love this, in his final few years

    During family get togethers we all used to wear hats around the kitchen table in Truro (no idea why, a weird tradition) and we'd belt this out.

    https://youtu.be/FNCcSJiZR1I?si=dbc3UETcyHSR0Wfz

    And then we'd sing Coming Up Camborne Hill, Coming Down


    WHITE STOCKINGS, WHITE STOCKINGS SHE WORE
    Fishermans friends were a great cornish export just saying
    Fisherman friends are from lancs
    That's the mints. The band and film are from the small town just around the headland to the left from my photo above.
    From 5 miles from where I grew up I fished on trawlers with a couple
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