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  • nico67nico67 Posts: 5,551
    DM_Andy said:

    nico67 said:

    Romanian Exit polls aren’t the gold standard and they normally don’t include the diaspora vote .

    That's a good point, the diaspora voted 60-25 in favour of Simion, so it would be reasonable to suggest a 67-33 split for Simion in the 2nd round.

    In Romania, it was 11.5m votes 30 minutes before the close of polls and 1.6m in the diaspora, so that would be something like 6.7m votes for Dan, 6.4m for Simion.

    There was a suggestion that Simion wouldn’t get that high lead in the diaspora in the second round as his first round overestimated his lead due to higher enthusiasm amongst his support which maxed out more of his available voters . Another exit poll shows 50 50 and then another shows a bigger lead for Dan than the earlier ones 56 v 44.

    I really wouldn’t trust these exit polls but turnout in urban areas jumped much more in the second round than in rural areas so this should help Dan .
  • Frank_BoothFrank_Booth Posts: 262
    DM_Andy said:

    nico67 said:

    Romanian Exit polls aren’t the gold standard and they normally don’t include the diaspora vote .

    That's a good point, the diaspora voted 60-25 in favour of Simion, so it would be reasonable to suggest a 67-33 split for Simion in the 2nd round.

    In Romania, it was 11.5m votes 30 minutes before the close of polls and 1.6m in the diaspora, so that would be something like 6.7m votes for Dan, 6.4m for Simion.

    Why would the diaspora be so strongly for Simion? I was recently dating a Romanian lady, I'll have to ask her on that.
  • nico67nico67 Posts: 5,551
    Simion is claiming he’s won and is the new President.

    So things could turn ugly as he’s repeating the Trump playbook .
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 63,134

    Foxy said:

    Educated the expensive way
    Knows his claret from his Beuajolais

    The only time I've come across the stuff. On other music related news, I see it was Eurovision's lack of true democracy that stopped Israel winning. Was it all about the song or is something else going on?

    Israel had a decent song but an unrivaled astroturfing operation, with voters able to vote 20 times each across a wide range of countries.

    To describe the voting system as a democracy takes a shovel full of salt.
    'Unrivalled astroturfing operation' - any evidence for this? I see the British gave 10 points to Poland. No surprise there! Weren't disappointed were you.

    I do wonder if there was an element of the sympathy vote or even if people have quite frankly had enough of pro Hamas demonstrations on our streets week after week.
    The song was OK but it wasn't that good.

    Second place definitely smelled fishy.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 77,566
    Leon said:

    Nigelb said:

    More importantly, my pic of the day - an almond croissant.
    Actually, more like an almond sweet Cornish pasty, with frangipane replacing the customary filling.

    Outstanding.


    Gail's?
    Certainly not.

    Local independent.
  • Frank_BoothFrank_Booth Posts: 262
    Turnout was surprisingly low in the first round I think.
  • nico67nico67 Posts: 5,551

    DM_Andy said:

    nico67 said:

    Romanian Exit polls aren’t the gold standard and they normally don’t include the diaspora vote .

    That's a good point, the diaspora voted 60-25 in favour of Simion, so it would be reasonable to suggest a 67-33 split for Simion in the 2nd round.

    In Romania, it was 11.5m votes 30 minutes before the close of polls and 1.6m in the diaspora, so that would be something like 6.7m votes for Dan, 6.4m for Simion.

    Why would the diaspora be so strongly for Simion? I was recently dating a Romanian lady, I'll have to ask her on that.
    It’s bizarre and does defy logic somewhat as to what we’d expect . Apparently it’s a result of having to leave their country , a vote against corruption and wanting to go back to a better Romania etc
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 51,710
    edited May 18

    Foxy said:

    Educated the expensive way
    Knows his claret from his Beuajolais

    The only time I've come across the stuff. On other music related news, I see it was Eurovision's lack of true democracy that stopped Israel winning. Was it all about the song or is something else going on?

    Israel had a decent song but an unrivaled astroturfing operation, with voters able to vote 20 times each across a wide range of countries.

    To describe the voting system as a democracy takes a shovel full of salt.
    Does Eurovision HQ release the actual numbers of televotes?
    They do release who gave Israel 12 points. There were 13 countries (including UK) and a further 7 giving 10.

    Across all 38 televote constituencies they got an average of 7.8 points.



  • Pagan2Pagan2 Posts: 11,519

    MattW said:

    Nigelb said:

    UK government dropped health push after lobbying by ultra-processed food firms

    https://www.theguardian.com/society/ng-interactive/2025/may/17/uk-government-drops-healthy-eating-push-after-lobbying-by-ultra-processed-food-firms
    ...The U-turn, revealed for the first time, occurred on 1 June 2023 under Rishi Sunak’s government, the Guardian found. The change remains in the current government’s guidance being issued to retailers ahead of the law change in October.

    It came after the FDF waged a campaign to put pressure on the DHSC to rewrite its nutrition policy, lobbying officials to remove the push to minimally processed food in the guidance issued to retailers, according to documents and emails reviewed by the Guardian.

    In response to a freedom of information request, the government released a cache of emails between the FDF and the DHSC.

    Most of the correspondence was heavily redacted. The government cited section 40(2) of the Freedom of Information Act, “which provides for the protection of personal information”, and section 35(1)(a), “which provides protection for the information that relates to the formulation or development of government policy”.

    The emails, sent between October 2022 and April 2023, reveal how the FDF, which represents firms with a combined annual turnover of more than £112bn, lobbied the DHSC to drop the guidance pushing retailers to promote minimally processed food...

    I'm no food expert and subsist on a perfectly balanced diet of fish (protein) and chips (fat and carbohydrates) every day, and an apple.

    But I'm suspicious of food arguments that lump "ultra-processed food" into a single category. Over the decades, everything around food resembles one set of faddists arguing with another group of faddists. Or fattests.

    Nor am I shocked that industry lobbyists lobby for industry-favourable outcomes. That's their mission statement.
    OTOH measures which industry lobbyists moan about have been significant successes - the extra tax on high sugar, for example, which reduced sugar levels in drinks to just below the threshold. And which has shown to deliver health benefits.
    There are some real inconsistencies in that though, such as the exemption for milk-based drinks which mean that many milk-based drinks are full of sugar.

    As someone who avoids sugar/carbs, it pisses me off that all bottled coffee-based drinks are full of sugar.

    There are naturally no carbs in coffee and milk is naturally minimal in it too, but there's no sugar-free low-carb coffee based bottled drinks ever available in the supermarket.

    I dislike the nanny state in principle, but being selfish I hate the lack of sugar-free coffee-based drinks when I'm out and about and the need to go for some Monster or something similar if I want a caffeine drink that's sugar free rather than coffee.
    You realise lactose is a sugar and natural milk is full of it?
  • TimSTimS Posts: 15,429
    I remember when foreign elections were the stuff of mild political nerd interest. Now every one seems to have become a critical battle for the survival of the Western world order against the forces of MAGA and Putinism.

    Please can we have back the old days?
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 51,710

    DM_Andy said:

    nico67 said:

    Romanian Exit polls aren’t the gold standard and they normally don’t include the diaspora vote .

    That's a good point, the diaspora voted 60-25 in favour of Simion, so it would be reasonable to suggest a 67-33 split for Simion in the 2nd round.

    In Romania, it was 11.5m votes 30 minutes before the close of polls and 1.6m in the diaspora, so that would be something like 6.7m votes for Dan, 6.4m for Simion.

    Why would the diaspora be so strongly for Simion? I was recently dating a Romanian lady, I'll have to ask her on that.
    The Hungarian diaspora is what keeps Orban in office, ironically much of it in Romania.
  • Pagan2Pagan2 Posts: 11,519
    TimS said:

    I remember when foreign elections were the stuff of mild political nerd interest. Now every one seems to have become a critical battle for the survival of the Western world order against the forces of MAGA and Putinism.

    Please can we have back the old days?

    The old days didn't go away the hyperbole just ramped up
  • Jim_MillerJim_Miller Posts: 3,304
    edited May 18
    Off topic: Today is the 45th anniversary of the big eruption of Mount. St. Helens: "The May 18, 1980, event was the most deadly and economically destructive volcanic eruption in the history of the contiguous United States.[9] About 57 people were killed directly from the blast, and 200 houses, 47 bridges, 15 mi (24 km) of railways, and 185 mi (298 km) of highway were destroyed; two people were killed indirectly in accidents that resulted from poor visibility, and two more suffered fatal heart attacks from shoveling ash."
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1980_eruption_of_Mount_St._Helens

    It was more deadly than expected because the blast went sideways, instead of straight up.

    It cooled a large area east of the blast -- during the day -- and warmed the same area during the night: https://cliffmass.blogspot.com/2020/05/what-were-local-weather-impacts-of.html

    (For the record: I've hiked up Mount Saint Helens twice since the blast.)


  • squareroot2squareroot2 Posts: 7,038
    Foxy said:

    DavidL said:

    Leon said:

    TimS said:

    TimS said:

    I’ve had a weekend of almost @BartholomewRoberts esque diet. After my fairly balanced meal out on Friday night it’s been:

    Saturday breakfast: Bacon, sausage and egg bap
    Saturday lunch: huge chunks of bbq fillet steak, with courgettes
    Saturday dinner: barbecued chicken
    Sunday breakfast: bit of a break, with a cinnamon bun
    Sunday lunch: a whole rack of barbecued pork ribs and asparagus
    Sunday dinner: barbecued steak again, and pork chops

    Got tummy ache

    Did you wash it down with 24 cans of sugar free energy drinks?
    An odd mix of crap Prosecco (at the reunion), tea and coffee, butty bach, and cider.
    Sympathies. Life is far far far too short for crap Prosecco
    When we were trainees together we got invited to my boss's house for a party. My future wife muttered under her breath on her arrival, "fizzy wine? Surely he can do better than that." It was her introduction to champagne, a relationship which, on a good day, I think has proven only second to our own over the last 40 odd years.

    She doesn't drink prosecco.
    I am a big fan of prosecco. Since covid altered Mrs Foxy's tastebuds she prefers it to all other wines, flat other sparkling. I can't bear the stuff myself but it's saving me a bloody fortune.
    A lot of money for a lot of tax and some co2
  • TimSTimS Posts: 15,429
    Pagan2 said:

    TimS said:

    I remember when foreign elections were the stuff of mild political nerd interest. Now every one seems to have become a critical battle for the survival of the Western world order against the forces of MAGA and Putinism.

    Please can we have back the old days?

    The old days didn't go away the hyperbole just ramped up
    In the case of Simion and his irredentism, the old days are most certainly over.
  • Pagan2Pagan2 Posts: 11,519
    TimS said:

    Pagan2 said:

    TimS said:

    I remember when foreign elections were the stuff of mild political nerd interest. Now every one seems to have become a critical battle for the survival of the Western world order against the forces of MAGA and Putinism.

    Please can we have back the old days?

    The old days didn't go away the hyperbole just ramped up
    In the case of Simion and his irredentism, the old days are most certainly over.
    Well you would say that as a lib dem
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 51,710

    Foxy said:

    DavidL said:

    Leon said:

    TimS said:

    TimS said:

    I’ve had a weekend of almost @BartholomewRoberts esque diet. After my fairly balanced meal out on Friday night it’s been:

    Saturday breakfast: Bacon, sausage and egg bap
    Saturday lunch: huge chunks of bbq fillet steak, with courgettes
    Saturday dinner: barbecued chicken
    Sunday breakfast: bit of a break, with a cinnamon bun
    Sunday lunch: a whole rack of barbecued pork ribs and asparagus
    Sunday dinner: barbecued steak again, and pork chops

    Got tummy ache

    Did you wash it down with 24 cans of sugar free energy drinks?
    An odd mix of crap Prosecco (at the reunion), tea and coffee, butty bach, and cider.
    Sympathies. Life is far far far too short for crap Prosecco
    When we were trainees together we got invited to my boss's house for a party. My future wife muttered under her breath on her arrival, "fizzy wine? Surely he can do better than that." It was her introduction to champagne, a relationship which, on a good day, I think has proven only second to our own over the last 40 odd years.

    She doesn't drink prosecco.
    I am a big fan of prosecco. Since covid altered Mrs Foxy's tastebuds she prefers it to all other wines, flat other sparkling. I can't bear the stuff myself but it's saving me a bloody fortune.
    A lot of money for a lot of tax and some co2
    😀

    I don't drink the stuff, just have to buy it.
  • BurgessianBurgessian Posts: 3,003

    Off topic: Today is the 45th anniversary of the big eruption of Mt. Helens: "The May 18, 1980, event was the most deadly and economically destructive volcanic eruption in the history of the contiguous United States.[9] About 57 people were killed directly from the blast, and 200 houses, 47 bridges, 15 mi (24 km) of railways, and 185 mi (298 km) of highway were destroyed; two people were killed indirectly in accidents that resulted from poor visibility, and two more suffered fatal heart attacks from shoveling ash."
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1980_eruption_of_Mount_St._Helens

    It was more deadly than expected because the blast went sideways, instead of straight up.

    It cooled a large area east of the blast -- during the day -- and warmed the same area during the night: https://cliffmass.blogspot.com/2020/05/what-were-local-weather-impacts-of.html

    (For the record: I've hiked up Mount Saint Helens twice since the blast.)


    The American composer Alan Hohvaness wrote a symphony on this very subject. Better than you might think (he's not universally regarded). Nothing like an orchestral rendition of a volcanic explosion.
  • TimSTimS Posts: 15,429

    Off topic: Today is the 45th anniversary of the big eruption of Mt. Helens: "The May 18, 1980, event was the most deadly and economically destructive volcanic eruption in the history of the contiguous United States.[9] About 57 people were killed directly from the blast, and 200 houses, 47 bridges, 15 mi (24 km) of railways, and 185 mi (298 km) of highway were destroyed; two people were killed indirectly in accidents that resulted from poor visibility, and two more suffered fatal heart attacks from shoveling ash."
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1980_eruption_of_Mount_St._Helens

    It was more deadly than expected because the blast went sideways, instead of straight up.

    It cooled a large area east of the blast -- during the day -- and warmed the same area during the night: https://cliffmass.blogspot.com/2020/05/what-were-local-weather-impacts-of.html

    (For the record: I've hiked up Mount Saint Helens twice since the blast.)


    One of the best ever editions of National Geographic was their special after the eruption.
  • TimSTimS Posts: 15,429
    Pagan2 said:

    TimS said:

    Pagan2 said:

    TimS said:

    I remember when foreign elections were the stuff of mild political nerd interest. Now every one seems to have become a critical battle for the survival of the Western world order against the forces of MAGA and Putinism.

    Please can we have back the old days?

    The old days didn't go away the hyperbole just ramped up
    In the case of Simion and his irredentism, the old days are most certainly over.
    Well you would say that as a lib dem
    Readers take note: the Lib Dems are the world’s bulwark against the forces of MAGA and Putinism. Confirmed by Pagan.
  • Pagan2Pagan2 Posts: 11,519
    Pagan2 said:

    TimS said:

    Pagan2 said:

    TimS said:

    I remember when foreign elections were the stuff of mild political nerd interest. Now every one seems to have become a critical battle for the survival of the Western world order against the forces of MAGA and Putinism.

    Please can we have back the old days?

    The old days didn't go away the hyperbole just ramped up
    In the case of Simion and his irredentism, the old days are most certainly over.
    Well you would say that as a lib dem
    Personally I think the old days ended when all the major parties became the lib dems, centrist arseholes with no answers
  • JohnLilburneJohnLilburne Posts: 6,696
    TimS said:

    Pagan2 said:

    TimS said:

    I remember when foreign elections were the stuff of mild political nerd interest. Now every one seems to have become a critical battle for the survival of the Western world order against the forces of MAGA and Putinism.

    Please can we have back the old days?

    The old days didn't go away the hyperbole just ramped up
    In the case of Simion and his irredentism, the old days are most certainly over.
    Irredentism? Does he want to annex Moldova?
  • Pagan2Pagan2 Posts: 11,519
    TimS said:

    Pagan2 said:

    TimS said:

    Pagan2 said:

    TimS said:

    I remember when foreign elections were the stuff of mild political nerd interest. Now every one seems to have become a critical battle for the survival of the Western world order against the forces of MAGA and Putinism.

    Please can we have back the old days?

    The old days didn't go away the hyperbole just ramped up
    In the case of Simion and his irredentism, the old days are most certainly over.
    Well you would say that as a lib dem
    Readers take note: the Lib Dems are the world’s bulwark against the forces of MAGA and Putinism. Confirmed by Pagan.
    Lib dems are the demonic forces of hell made human, luckily no one cares about them or votes for them
  • BarnesianBarnesian Posts: 9,107
    Dan has just taken a tiny lead with 48% of the vote counted.


  • isamisam Posts: 41,775
    kinabalu said:

    kinabalu said:

    kinabalu said:

    Starmer was good on Desert Island Discs.

    That's a strong straw

    Cling on
    You're wrong to scoff. As an aside there's generally too much scoffing on here. The unhurried intimacy of Desert Island Discs draws out the essence of the guest and Keir Starmer's essence was most appealing. Everyone I know who listened to it thought so.
    Good evening

    You do know that some people would say the same about Kemi Badenoch but it seems in both cases, they are an ever decreasing number
    I don't think she's been on Desert Island Discs?
    She'd probably pick something pretentious like Barenboim, none of this Stormzy authenticity
  • GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 22,341
    isam said:

    kinabalu said:

    kinabalu said:

    kinabalu said:

    Starmer was good on Desert Island Discs.

    That's a strong straw

    Cling on
    You're wrong to scoff. As an aside there's generally too much scoffing on here. The unhurried intimacy of Desert Island Discs draws out the essence of the guest and Keir Starmer's essence was most appealing. Everyone I know who listened to it thought so.
    Good evening

    You do know that some people would say the same about Kemi Badenoch but it seems in both cases, they are an ever decreasing number
    I don't think she's been on Desert Island Discs?
    She'd probably pick something pretentious like Barenboim, none of this Stormzy authenticity
    Feel pretty sure Kemi is a Heart listener.
  • isamisam Posts: 41,775
    Leon said:

    TimS said:

    Leon said:

    TimS said:

    TimS said:

    I’ve had a weekend of almost @BartholomewRoberts esque diet. After my fairly balanced meal out on Friday night it’s been:

    Saturday breakfast: Bacon, sausage and egg bap
    Saturday lunch: huge chunks of bbq fillet steak, with courgettes
    Saturday dinner: barbecued chicken
    Sunday breakfast: bit of a break, with a cinnamon bun
    Sunday lunch: a whole rack of barbecued pork ribs and asparagus
    Sunday dinner: barbecued steak again, and pork chops

    Got tummy ache

    Did you wash it down with 24 cans of sugar free energy drinks?
    An odd mix of crap Prosecco (at the reunion), tea and coffee, butty bach, and cider.
    Sympathies. Life is far far far too short for crap Prosecco
    The stuff has infested the social corners of Britain like Japanese knotweed.
    I bet the Italians can’t believe their luck that we are all paying hard money for their shittiest fizzy wine

    Congrats to the guys who came up with the name “Prosecco” tho. It’s a local village I think. Genius branding
    For years I used to drink about 40% of a bottle every night, mixed with fizzy water becasue I didn't like the taste.. I don't like the taste of any alcohol on it's own anymore.

    Anyway, I stopped this bad habit in October, and that is part of the reason, along with the lack of nibbles that I used to nibble whilst drinking this fizzy cocktail, I have lost about a stone.
  • TimSTimS Posts: 15,429

    TimS said:

    Pagan2 said:

    TimS said:

    I remember when foreign elections were the stuff of mild political nerd interest. Now every one seems to have become a critical battle for the survival of the Western world order against the forces of MAGA and Putinism.

    Please can we have back the old days?

    The old days didn't go away the hyperbole just ramped up
    In the case of Simion and his irredentism, the old days are most certainly over.
    Irredentism? Does he want to annex Moldova?
    He’s interested in the Northern Bukovina part of Ukraine. Moldova would be more of an Anschluss I think.

    Not quite as bad as his out and out pro Russian predecessor Georgiescu though.
  • DM_AndyDM_Andy Posts: 1,399
    Foxy said:

    Foxy said:

    Educated the expensive way
    Knows his claret from his Beuajolais

    The only time I've come across the stuff. On other music related news, I see it was Eurovision's lack of true democracy that stopped Israel winning. Was it all about the song or is something else going on?

    Israel had a decent song but an unrivaled astroturfing operation, with voters able to vote 20 times each across a wide range of countries.

    To describe the voting system as a democracy takes a shovel full of salt.
    Does Eurovision HQ release the actual numbers of televotes?
    They do release who gave Israel 12 points. There were 13 countries (including UK) and a further 7 giving 10.

    Across all 38 televote constituencies they got an average of 7.8 points.
    And that's not that impressive, Israel only got the 14th highest televote in the 11 contests since the EBU started splitting the jury and televote scores. What happened this year was the voting was split over many more contenders. in 2024, Israel ended the jury vote 313 points adrift from Switzerland so their 323 wasn't enough and they ended 5th. This year they ended the jury vote only 198 points shy of Austria, and their 297 was good enough for 2nd.

    Poland always gets a massive diaspora vote as well (they have never got less in the televote than from the juries).
  • Frank_BoothFrank_Booth Posts: 262
    edited May 18
    TimS said:

    I remember when foreign elections were the stuff of mild political nerd interest. Now every one seems to have become a critical battle for the survival of the Western world order against the forces of MAGA and Putinism.

    Please can we have back the old days?

    The biggest external threats the west faces are from China and Islamism. MAGA correctly understood is an isolationist movement. Which makes Trump's imperialistic behaviour more puzzling. The biggest threat Putin now poses is that he's a capo of Beijing.

    Notice that China's new EV European HQ will be in..... Hungary.
  • TimSTimS Posts: 15,429
    Pagan2 said:

    TimS said:

    Pagan2 said:

    TimS said:

    Pagan2 said:

    TimS said:

    I remember when foreign elections were the stuff of mild political nerd interest. Now every one seems to have become a critical battle for the survival of the Western world order against the forces of MAGA and Putinism.

    Please can we have back the old days?

    The old days didn't go away the hyperbole just ramped up
    In the case of Simion and his irredentism, the old days are most certainly over.
    Well you would say that as a lib dem
    Readers take note: the Lib Dems are the world’s bulwark against the forces of MAGA and Putinism. Confirmed by Pagan.
    Lib dems are the demonic forces of hell made human, luckily no one cares about them or votes for them
    We’re aiming for 666 seats at the next general.
  • DM_AndyDM_Andy Posts: 1,399
    Foxy said:

    DM_Andy said:

    nico67 said:

    Romanian Exit polls aren’t the gold standard and they normally don’t include the diaspora vote .

    That's a good point, the diaspora voted 60-25 in favour of Simion, so it would be reasonable to suggest a 67-33 split for Simion in the 2nd round.

    In Romania, it was 11.5m votes 30 minutes before the close of polls and 1.6m in the diaspora, so that would be something like 6.7m votes for Dan, 6.4m for Simion.

    Why would the diaspora be so strongly for Simion? I was recently dating a Romanian lady, I'll have to ask her on that.
    The Hungarian diaspora is what keeps Orban in office, ironically much of it in Romania.
    Which is interesting because the Hungarian bits of Romania voted strongly against Simion because he's so anti-Hungarian. I guess that Orban seems like someone who won't abandon them.

  • Pagan2Pagan2 Posts: 11,519
    TimS said:

    Pagan2 said:

    TimS said:

    Pagan2 said:

    TimS said:

    Pagan2 said:

    TimS said:

    I remember when foreign elections were the stuff of mild political nerd interest. Now every one seems to have become a critical battle for the survival of the Western world order against the forces of MAGA and Putinism.

    Please can we have back the old days?

    The old days didn't go away the hyperbole just ramped up
    In the case of Simion and his irredentism, the old days are most certainly over.
    Well you would say that as a lib dem
    Readers take note: the Lib Dems are the world’s bulwark against the forces of MAGA and Putinism. Confirmed by Pagan.
    Lib dems are the demonic forces of hell made human, luckily no one cares about them or votes for them
    We’re aiming for 666 seats at the next general.
    If you ever get them we know the end of days are nigh
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 54,694

    TimS said:

    Pagan2 said:

    TimS said:

    I remember when foreign elections were the stuff of mild political nerd interest. Now every one seems to have become a critical battle for the survival of the Western world order against the forces of MAGA and Putinism.

    Please can we have back the old days?

    The old days didn't go away the hyperbole just ramped up
    In the case of Simion and his irredentism, the old days are most certainly over.
    Irredentism? Does he want to annex Moldova?
    Probably. Slacker Irredentism is all the rage in Putinist circles.

    Interestingly, in much of Eastern Europe, your classic real hardcore nationalists (the kind that would get @tim on the bounce in the Goode Olde Days) have turned firmly against irridentism.
  • TimSTimS Posts: 15,429

    TimS said:

    I remember when foreign elections were the stuff of mild political nerd interest. Now every one seems to have become a critical battle for the survival of the Western world order against the forces of MAGA and Putinism.

    Please can we have back the old days?

    The biggest external threats the west faces are from China and Islamism. MAGA correctly understood is an isolationist movement. Which makes Trump's imperialistic behaviour more puzzling. The biggest threat Putin now poses is that he's a capo of Beijing.

    Notice that China's new EV European HQ will be in..... Hungary.
    Right now Russia is in the middle of invading a European country, and deliberately destabilising many others. I would argue that whilst it’s a far weaker force than China, it remains a more direct threat to Europe.
  • DM_AndyDM_Andy Posts: 1,399
    Barnesian said:

    Dan has just taken a tiny lead with 48% of the vote counted.


    That doesn't look like 48% of the vote counted, more like high twenties, maybe it's 48% of the polling stations?

  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 54,694
    isam said:

    Leon said:

    TimS said:

    Leon said:

    TimS said:

    TimS said:

    I’ve had a weekend of almost @BartholomewRoberts esque diet. After my fairly balanced meal out on Friday night it’s been:

    Saturday breakfast: Bacon, sausage and egg bap
    Saturday lunch: huge chunks of bbq fillet steak, with courgettes
    Saturday dinner: barbecued chicken
    Sunday breakfast: bit of a break, with a cinnamon bun
    Sunday lunch: a whole rack of barbecued pork ribs and asparagus
    Sunday dinner: barbecued steak again, and pork chops

    Got tummy ache

    Did you wash it down with 24 cans of sugar free energy drinks?
    An odd mix of crap Prosecco (at the reunion), tea and coffee, butty bach, and cider.
    Sympathies. Life is far far far too short for crap Prosecco
    The stuff has infested the social corners of Britain like Japanese knotweed.
    I bet the Italians can’t believe their luck that we are all paying hard money for their shittiest fizzy wine

    Congrats to the guys who came up with the name “Prosecco” tho. It’s a local village I think. Genius branding
    For years I used to drink about 40% of a bottle every night, mixed with fizzy water becasue I didn't like the taste.. I don't like the taste of any alcohol on it's own anymore.

    Anyway, I stopped this bad habit in October, and that is part of the reason, along with the lack of nibbles that I used to nibble whilst drinking this fizzy cocktail, I have lost about a stone.
    That sounds like a bad version of an Aperol Spritz.
  • BarnesianBarnesian Posts: 9,107
    Dan is now 3% ahead with 65% counted.
    His lead is widening as more results come in.
    It looks as if he has won.
  • nico67nico67 Posts: 5,551
    Very few diaspora votes have been counted yet . The ones that have come through are favouring Dan but these might be from Eastern Europe especially Moldova which is the best diaspora support for Dan .
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 40,061

    Leon said:

    TimS said:

    Leon said:

    TimS said:

    TimS said:

    I’ve had a weekend of almost @BartholomewRoberts esque diet. After my fairly balanced meal out on Friday night it’s been:

    Saturday breakfast: Bacon, sausage and egg bap
    Saturday lunch: huge chunks of bbq fillet steak, with courgettes
    Saturday dinner: barbecued chicken
    Sunday breakfast: bit of a break, with a cinnamon bun
    Sunday lunch: a whole rack of barbecued pork ribs and asparagus
    Sunday dinner: barbecued steak again, and pork chops

    Got tummy ache

    Did you wash it down with 24 cans of sugar free energy drinks?
    An odd mix of crap Prosecco (at the reunion), tea and coffee, butty bach, and cider.
    Sympathies. Life is far far far too short for crap Prosecco
    The stuff has infested the social corners of Britain like Japanese knotweed.
    I bet the Italians can’t believe their luck that we are all paying hard money for their shittiest fizzy wine

    Congrats to the guys who came up with the name “Prosecco” tho. It’s a local village I think. Genius branding
    At least it is Italian.

    Whereas Madri lager is as Spanish as Newcastle Brown Ale.
    Carling Black Label rebranded...whoever was responsible for the marketing did an incredible job.

    AB InBev and Heineken Corp have done an amazing job convincing UK consumers to buy all these exotic sounding beer brands which are either fake brands or that are all made under licence in sexy places like Barnsley or Blackburn etc (and all owned by those two companies) and bare very little resemble to the real stuff.
    Madri is disgusting. I don't understand why anyone drinks it. A pint of Doom Bar wins for me anyday and I'm not a massive real ale drinker. Madri is fizzy cat piss.
  • Frank_BoothFrank_Booth Posts: 262

    isam said:

    kinabalu said:

    kinabalu said:

    kinabalu said:

    Starmer was good on Desert Island Discs.

    That's a strong straw

    Cling on
    You're wrong to scoff. As an aside there's generally too much scoffing on here. The unhurried intimacy of Desert Island Discs draws out the essence of the guest and Keir Starmer's essence was most appealing. Everyone I know who listened to it thought so.
    Good evening

    You do know that some people would say the same about Kemi Badenoch but it seems in both cases, they are an ever decreasing number
    I don't think she's been on Desert Island Discs?
    She'd probably pick something pretentious like Barenboim, none of this Stormzy authenticity
    Feel pretty sure Kemi is a Heart listener.
    Growing up in her home it was Michael Jackson. She said so in a Telegraph interview.

    Favourite film Shakespeare In Love (never seen). Also Back To The Future.
  • nico67nico67 Posts: 5,551
    Barnesian said:

    Dan is now 3% ahead with 65% counted.
    His lead is widening as more results come in.
    It looks as if he has won.

    He needs a big lead once the results start coming in from the diaspora in Western Europe . Dan needed to close that gap from the first round .
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 84,203
    edited May 18
    MaxPB said:

    Leon said:

    TimS said:

    Leon said:

    TimS said:

    TimS said:

    I’ve had a weekend of almost @BartholomewRoberts esque diet. After my fairly balanced meal out on Friday night it’s been:

    Saturday breakfast: Bacon, sausage and egg bap
    Saturday lunch: huge chunks of bbq fillet steak, with courgettes
    Saturday dinner: barbecued chicken
    Sunday breakfast: bit of a break, with a cinnamon bun
    Sunday lunch: a whole rack of barbecued pork ribs and asparagus
    Sunday dinner: barbecued steak again, and pork chops

    Got tummy ache

    Did you wash it down with 24 cans of sugar free energy drinks?
    An odd mix of crap Prosecco (at the reunion), tea and coffee, butty bach, and cider.
    Sympathies. Life is far far far too short for crap Prosecco
    The stuff has infested the social corners of Britain like Japanese knotweed.
    I bet the Italians can’t believe their luck that we are all paying hard money for their shittiest fizzy wine

    Congrats to the guys who came up with the name “Prosecco” tho. It’s a local village I think. Genius branding
    At least it is Italian.

    Whereas Madri lager is as Spanish as Newcastle Brown Ale.
    Carling Black Label rebranded...whoever was responsible for the marketing did an incredible job.

    AB InBev and Heineken Corp have done an amazing job convincing UK consumers to buy all these exotic sounding beer brands which are either fake brands or that are all made under licence in sexy places like Barnsley or Blackburn etc (and all owned by those two companies) and bare very little resemble to the real stuff.
    Madri is disgusting. I don't understand why anyone drinks it. A pint of Doom Bar wins for me anyday and I'm not a massive real ale drinker. Madri is fizzy cat piss.
    It is incredible that Coors have rebranded an incredibly unpopular and shitty lager with a minor tweak to the formulae and convinced millions of brits they are now drinking some exotic Spanish lager, rather than gnats piss from Burton-Upon-Trent.

    Not a lot of people realise San Miguel ain't originally Spanish either. And I don't mean the brewed under licence in the UK, it was originally from the Philippines imported into Spain.
  • TimSTimS Posts: 15,429
    nico67 said:

    Very few diaspora votes have been counted yet . The ones that have come through are favouring Dan but these might be from Eastern Europe especially Moldova which is the best diaspora support for Dan .

    Can Dan Dare to hope for victory? Or will it be the song of Simion?
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 51,710
    TimS said:

    nico67 said:

    Very few diaspora votes have been counted yet . The ones that have come through are favouring Dan but these might be from Eastern Europe especially Moldova which is the best diaspora support for Dan .

    Can Dan Dare to hope for victory? Or will it be the song of Simion?
    Mekon not conceive of Dan piloting the future.
  • Frank_BoothFrank_Booth Posts: 262
    TimS said:

    TimS said:

    I remember when foreign elections were the stuff of mild political nerd interest. Now every one seems to have become a critical battle for the survival of the Western world order against the forces of MAGA and Putinism.

    Please can we have back the old days?

    The biggest external threats the west faces are from China and Islamism. MAGA correctly understood is an isolationist movement. Which makes Trump's imperialistic behaviour more puzzling. The biggest threat Putin now poses is that he's a capo of Beijing.

    Notice that China's new EV European HQ will be in..... Hungary.
    Right now Russia is in the middle of invading a European country, and deliberately destabilising many others. I would argue that whilst it’s a far weaker force than China, it remains a more direct threat to Europe.
    The only reason it continues to pose a significant threat to Europe is because of support from China. I've been among the most hawkish of Ukraine supporters on here and would be even if China was completely neutral and there weren't NK troops there either.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 77,566
    Foxy said:

    TimS said:

    nico67 said:

    Very few diaspora votes have been counted yet . The ones that have come through are favouring Dan but these might be from Eastern Europe especially Moldova which is the best diaspora support for Dan .

    Can Dan Dare to hope for victory? Or will it be the song of Simion?
    Mekon not conceive of Dan piloting the future.
    Desperate.
  • stodgestodge Posts: 14,575
    Just seen the first seat projections from Portugal.

    AD (PSD + CDS) well in front with 86-95 seats, PS on 53-62 and Chega on 51-60 so very close for second place.
  • DM_AndyDM_Andy Posts: 1,399
    So Poland looks like staying right. Trzaskowski and Nawrocki both around 30% and one has to think that Mentzen and Braun voters will split to Nawrocki in the second round?
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 54,694

    MaxPB said:

    Leon said:

    TimS said:

    Leon said:

    TimS said:

    TimS said:

    I’ve had a weekend of almost @BartholomewRoberts esque diet. After my fairly balanced meal out on Friday night it’s been:

    Saturday breakfast: Bacon, sausage and egg bap
    Saturday lunch: huge chunks of bbq fillet steak, with courgettes
    Saturday dinner: barbecued chicken
    Sunday breakfast: bit of a break, with a cinnamon bun
    Sunday lunch: a whole rack of barbecued pork ribs and asparagus
    Sunday dinner: barbecued steak again, and pork chops

    Got tummy ache

    Did you wash it down with 24 cans of sugar free energy drinks?
    An odd mix of crap Prosecco (at the reunion), tea and coffee, butty bach, and cider.
    Sympathies. Life is far far far too short for crap Prosecco
    The stuff has infested the social corners of Britain like Japanese knotweed.
    I bet the Italians can’t believe their luck that we are all paying hard money for their shittiest fizzy wine

    Congrats to the guys who came up with the name “Prosecco” tho. It’s a local village I think. Genius branding
    At least it is Italian.

    Whereas Madri lager is as Spanish as Newcastle Brown Ale.
    Carling Black Label rebranded...whoever was responsible for the marketing did an incredible job.

    AB InBev and Heineken Corp have done an amazing job convincing UK consumers to buy all these exotic sounding beer brands which are either fake brands or that are all made under licence in sexy places like Barnsley or Blackburn etc (and all owned by those two companies) and bare very little resemble to the real stuff.
    Madri is disgusting. I don't understand why anyone drinks it. A pint of Doom Bar wins for me anyday and I'm not a massive real ale drinker. Madri is fizzy cat piss.
    It is incredible that Coors have rebranded an incredibly unpopular and shitty lager with a minor tweak to the formulae and convinced millions of brits they are now drinking some exotic Spanish lager, rather than gnats piss from Burton-Upon-Trent.
    Classic, really.

    For perfection - is it a hit in the Costas, yet?


  • Pagan2Pagan2 Posts: 11,519

    MaxPB said:

    Leon said:

    TimS said:

    Leon said:

    TimS said:

    TimS said:

    I’ve had a weekend of almost @BartholomewRoberts esque diet. After my fairly balanced meal out on Friday night it’s been:

    Saturday breakfast: Bacon, sausage and egg bap
    Saturday lunch: huge chunks of bbq fillet steak, with courgettes
    Saturday dinner: barbecued chicken
    Sunday breakfast: bit of a break, with a cinnamon bun
    Sunday lunch: a whole rack of barbecued pork ribs and asparagus
    Sunday dinner: barbecued steak again, and pork chops

    Got tummy ache

    Did you wash it down with 24 cans of sugar free energy drinks?
    An odd mix of crap Prosecco (at the reunion), tea and coffee, butty bach, and cider.
    Sympathies. Life is far far far too short for crap Prosecco
    The stuff has infested the social corners of Britain like Japanese knotweed.
    I bet the Italians can’t believe their luck that we are all paying hard money for their shittiest fizzy wine

    Congrats to the guys who came up with the name “Prosecco” tho. It’s a local village I think. Genius branding
    At least it is Italian.

    Whereas Madri lager is as Spanish as Newcastle Brown Ale.
    Carling Black Label rebranded...whoever was responsible for the marketing did an incredible job.

    AB InBev and Heineken Corp have done an amazing job convincing UK consumers to buy all these exotic sounding beer brands which are either fake brands or that are all made under licence in sexy places like Barnsley or Blackburn etc (and all owned by those two companies) and bare very little resemble to the real stuff.
    Madri is disgusting. I don't understand why anyone drinks it. A pint of Doom Bar wins for me anyday and I'm not a massive real ale drinker. Madri is fizzy cat piss.
    It is incredible that Coors have rebranded an incredibly unpopular and shitty lager with a minor tweak to the formulae and convinced millions of brits they are now drinking some exotic Spanish lager, rather than gnats piss from Burton-Upon-Trent.
    Classic, really.

    For perfection - is it a hit in the Costas, yet?


    Well you convinced those people to drink lager in the first place just saying
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 40,061
    edited May 18

    MaxPB said:

    Leon said:

    TimS said:

    Leon said:

    TimS said:

    TimS said:

    I’ve had a weekend of almost @BartholomewRoberts esque diet. After my fairly balanced meal out on Friday night it’s been:

    Saturday breakfast: Bacon, sausage and egg bap
    Saturday lunch: huge chunks of bbq fillet steak, with courgettes
    Saturday dinner: barbecued chicken
    Sunday breakfast: bit of a break, with a cinnamon bun
    Sunday lunch: a whole rack of barbecued pork ribs and asparagus
    Sunday dinner: barbecued steak again, and pork chops

    Got tummy ache

    Did you wash it down with 24 cans of sugar free energy drinks?
    An odd mix of crap Prosecco (at the reunion), tea and coffee, butty bach, and cider.
    Sympathies. Life is far far far too short for crap Prosecco
    The stuff has infested the social corners of Britain like Japanese knotweed.
    I bet the Italians can’t believe their luck that we are all paying hard money for their shittiest fizzy wine

    Congrats to the guys who came up with the name “Prosecco” tho. It’s a local village I think. Genius branding
    At least it is Italian.

    Whereas Madri lager is as Spanish as Newcastle Brown Ale.
    Carling Black Label rebranded...whoever was responsible for the marketing did an incredible job.

    AB InBev and Heineken Corp have done an amazing job convincing UK consumers to buy all these exotic sounding beer brands which are either fake brands or that are all made under licence in sexy places like Barnsley or Blackburn etc (and all owned by those two companies) and bare very little resemble to the real stuff.
    Madri is disgusting. I don't understand why anyone drinks it. A pint of Doom Bar wins for me anyday and I'm not a massive real ale drinker. Madri is fizzy cat piss.
    It is incredible that Coors have rebranded an incredibly unpopular and shitty lager with a minor tweak to the formulae and convinced millions of brits they are now drinking some exotic Spanish lager, rather than gnats piss from Burton-Upon-Trent.
    Classic, really.

    For perfection - is it a hit in the Costas, yet?


    I believe it has hit the British bits of Spain. Estrella complained to the EU about it and tried to block it's import to Spain but because it doesn't have a specific GI there was no case to block it. It doesn't actually say anywhere it's Spanish or made in Spain or any specific part of Spain. It's clever marketing but shit beer.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 54,186

    TimS said:

    I remember when foreign elections were the stuff of mild political nerd interest. Now every one seems to have become a critical battle for the survival of the Western world order against the forces of MAGA and Putinism.

    Please can we have back the old days?

    The biggest external threats the west faces are from China and Islamism. MAGA correctly understood is an isolationist movement. Which makes Trump's imperialistic behaviour more puzzling. The biggest threat Putin now poses is that he's a capo of Beijing.

    Notice that China's new EV European HQ will be in..... Hungary.
    Looks like an Orban legend.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 84,203
    edited May 18
    stodge said:

    Just seen the first seat projections from Portugal.

    AD (PSD + CDS) well in front with 86-95 seats, PS on 53-62 and Chega on 51-60 so very close for second place.

    I always find Portuguese political parties confusing, the Social Democratic Party lot (which in most countries means left of centre) are actually right of centre, when the left / far left have been in power in recent years they enacted loads of tax breaks for the rich....
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 54,694
    MaxPB said:

    MaxPB said:

    Leon said:

    TimS said:

    Leon said:

    TimS said:

    TimS said:

    I’ve had a weekend of almost @BartholomewRoberts esque diet. After my fairly balanced meal out on Friday night it’s been:

    Saturday breakfast: Bacon, sausage and egg bap
    Saturday lunch: huge chunks of bbq fillet steak, with courgettes
    Saturday dinner: barbecued chicken
    Sunday breakfast: bit of a break, with a cinnamon bun
    Sunday lunch: a whole rack of barbecued pork ribs and asparagus
    Sunday dinner: barbecued steak again, and pork chops

    Got tummy ache

    Did you wash it down with 24 cans of sugar free energy drinks?
    An odd mix of crap Prosecco (at the reunion), tea and coffee, butty bach, and cider.
    Sympathies. Life is far far far too short for crap Prosecco
    The stuff has infested the social corners of Britain like Japanese knotweed.
    I bet the Italians can’t believe their luck that we are all paying hard money for their shittiest fizzy wine

    Congrats to the guys who came up with the name “Prosecco” tho. It’s a local village I think. Genius branding
    At least it is Italian.

    Whereas Madri lager is as Spanish as Newcastle Brown Ale.
    Carling Black Label rebranded...whoever was responsible for the marketing did an incredible job.

    AB InBev and Heineken Corp have done an amazing job convincing UK consumers to buy all these exotic sounding beer brands which are either fake brands or that are all made under licence in sexy places like Barnsley or Blackburn etc (and all owned by those two companies) and bare very little resemble to the real stuff.
    Madri is disgusting. I don't understand why anyone drinks it. A pint of Doom Bar wins for me anyday and I'm not a massive real ale drinker. Madri is fizzy cat piss.
    It is incredible that Coors have rebranded an incredibly unpopular and shitty lager with a minor tweak to the formulae and convinced millions of brits they are now drinking some exotic Spanish lager, rather than gnats piss from Burton-Upon-Trent.
    Classic, really.

    For perfection - is it a hit in the Costas, yet?


    I believe it has hit the British bits of Spain. Estrella complained to the EU about it and tried to block it's import to Spain but because it doesn't have a specific GI there was no case to block it. It doesn't actually say anywhere it's Spanish or made in Spain or any specific part of Spain. It's clever marketing but shit beer.
    So the circle *is* complete.

    You have to admit, a brilliant piece of work by the brand guys.

  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 22,885
    MaxPB said:

    Leon said:

    TimS said:

    Leon said:

    TimS said:

    TimS said:

    I’ve had a weekend of almost @BartholomewRoberts esque diet. After my fairly balanced meal out on Friday night it’s been:

    Saturday breakfast: Bacon, sausage and egg bap
    Saturday lunch: huge chunks of bbq fillet steak, with courgettes
    Saturday dinner: barbecued chicken
    Sunday breakfast: bit of a break, with a cinnamon bun
    Sunday lunch: a whole rack of barbecued pork ribs and asparagus
    Sunday dinner: barbecued steak again, and pork chops

    Got tummy ache

    Did you wash it down with 24 cans of sugar free energy drinks?
    An odd mix of crap Prosecco (at the reunion), tea and coffee, butty bach, and cider.
    Sympathies. Life is far far far too short for crap Prosecco
    The stuff has infested the social corners of Britain like Japanese knotweed.
    I bet the Italians can’t believe their luck that we are all paying hard money for their shittiest fizzy wine

    Congrats to the guys who came up with the name “Prosecco” tho. It’s a local village I think. Genius branding
    At least it is Italian.

    Whereas Madri lager is as Spanish as Newcastle Brown Ale.
    Carling Black Label rebranded...whoever was responsible for the marketing did an incredible job.

    AB InBev and Heineken Corp have done an amazing job convincing UK consumers to buy all these exotic sounding beer brands which are either fake brands or that are all made under licence in sexy places like Barnsley or Blackburn etc (and all owned by those two companies) and bare very little resemble to the real stuff.
    Madri is disgusting. I don't understand why anyone drinks it. A pint of Doom Bar wins for me anyday and I'm not a massive real ale drinker. Madri is fizzy cat piss.
    Doom Bar is to ale what Madri is to lager.
  • DoubleCarpetDoubleCarpet Posts: 956
    DM_Andy said:

    So Poland looks like staying right. Trzaskowski and Nawrocki both around 30% and one has to think that Mentzen and Braun voters will split to Nawrocki in the second round?

    Yes exactly what I was thinking.
  • BarnesianBarnesian Posts: 9,107
    nico67 said:

    Barnesian said:

    Dan is now 3% ahead with 65% counted.
    His lead is widening as more results come in.
    It looks as if he has won.

    He needs a big lead once the results start coming in from the diaspora in Western Europe . Dan needed to close that gap from the first round .
    Dan is leading by 10% in the diaspora as well with 13% counted.
  • Frank_BoothFrank_Booth Posts: 262
    As unhappy as many of us are with the BBC this needs considering:

    https://x.com/shashj/status/1924137320006947274
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 54,694
    Pagan2 said:

    MaxPB said:

    Leon said:

    TimS said:

    Leon said:

    TimS said:

    TimS said:

    I’ve had a weekend of almost @BartholomewRoberts esque diet. After my fairly balanced meal out on Friday night it’s been:

    Saturday breakfast: Bacon, sausage and egg bap
    Saturday lunch: huge chunks of bbq fillet steak, with courgettes
    Saturday dinner: barbecued chicken
    Sunday breakfast: bit of a break, with a cinnamon bun
    Sunday lunch: a whole rack of barbecued pork ribs and asparagus
    Sunday dinner: barbecued steak again, and pork chops

    Got tummy ache

    Did you wash it down with 24 cans of sugar free energy drinks?
    An odd mix of crap Prosecco (at the reunion), tea and coffee, butty bach, and cider.
    Sympathies. Life is far far far too short for crap Prosecco
    The stuff has infested the social corners of Britain like Japanese knotweed.
    I bet the Italians can’t believe their luck that we are all paying hard money for their shittiest fizzy wine

    Congrats to the guys who came up with the name “Prosecco” tho. It’s a local village I think. Genius branding
    At least it is Italian.

    Whereas Madri lager is as Spanish as Newcastle Brown Ale.
    Carling Black Label rebranded...whoever was responsible for the marketing did an incredible job.

    AB InBev and Heineken Corp have done an amazing job convincing UK consumers to buy all these exotic sounding beer brands which are either fake brands or that are all made under licence in sexy places like Barnsley or Blackburn etc (and all owned by those two companies) and bare very little resemble to the real stuff.
    Madri is disgusting. I don't understand why anyone drinks it. A pint of Doom Bar wins for me anyday and I'm not a massive real ale drinker. Madri is fizzy cat piss.
    It is incredible that Coors have rebranded an incredibly unpopular and shitty lager with a minor tweak to the formulae and convinced millions of brits they are now drinking some exotic Spanish lager, rather than gnats piss from Burton-Upon-Trent.
    Classic, really.

    For perfection - is it a hit in the Costas, yet?


    Well you convinced those people to drink lager in the first place just saying
    I’m not sure I convinced anyone to drink anything.

    I nearly convinced an Indian friend to start brewing an IPA in India. Apparently, craft beer is beginning to take off there.
  • Pagan2Pagan2 Posts: 11,519

    MaxPB said:

    Leon said:

    TimS said:

    Leon said:

    TimS said:

    TimS said:

    I’ve had a weekend of almost @BartholomewRoberts esque diet. After my fairly balanced meal out on Friday night it’s been:

    Saturday breakfast: Bacon, sausage and egg bap
    Saturday lunch: huge chunks of bbq fillet steak, with courgettes
    Saturday dinner: barbecued chicken
    Sunday breakfast: bit of a break, with a cinnamon bun
    Sunday lunch: a whole rack of barbecued pork ribs and asparagus
    Sunday dinner: barbecued steak again, and pork chops

    Got tummy ache

    Did you wash it down with 24 cans of sugar free energy drinks?
    An odd mix of crap Prosecco (at the reunion), tea and coffee, butty bach, and cider.
    Sympathies. Life is far far far too short for crap Prosecco
    The stuff has infested the social corners of Britain like Japanese knotweed.
    I bet the Italians can’t believe their luck that we are all paying hard money for their shittiest fizzy wine

    Congrats to the guys who came up with the name “Prosecco” tho. It’s a local village I think. Genius branding
    At least it is Italian.

    Whereas Madri lager is as Spanish as Newcastle Brown Ale.
    Carling Black Label rebranded...whoever was responsible for the marketing did an incredible job.

    AB InBev and Heineken Corp have done an amazing job convincing UK consumers to buy all these exotic sounding beer brands which are either fake brands or that are all made under licence in sexy places like Barnsley or Blackburn etc (and all owned by those two companies) and bare very little resemble to the real stuff.
    Madri is disgusting. I don't understand why anyone drinks it. A pint of Doom Bar wins for me anyday and I'm not a massive real ale drinker. Madri is fizzy cat piss.
    Doom Bar is to ale what Madri is to lager.
    While true at least in general ale is tasty where as lager is carbonated deep chilled cats piss
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 54,694

    MaxPB said:

    Leon said:

    TimS said:

    Leon said:

    TimS said:

    TimS said:

    I’ve had a weekend of almost @BartholomewRoberts esque diet. After my fairly balanced meal out on Friday night it’s been:

    Saturday breakfast: Bacon, sausage and egg bap
    Saturday lunch: huge chunks of bbq fillet steak, with courgettes
    Saturday dinner: barbecued chicken
    Sunday breakfast: bit of a break, with a cinnamon bun
    Sunday lunch: a whole rack of barbecued pork ribs and asparagus
    Sunday dinner: barbecued steak again, and pork chops

    Got tummy ache

    Did you wash it down with 24 cans of sugar free energy drinks?
    An odd mix of crap Prosecco (at the reunion), tea and coffee, butty bach, and cider.
    Sympathies. Life is far far far too short for crap Prosecco
    The stuff has infested the social corners of Britain like Japanese knotweed.
    I bet the Italians can’t believe their luck that we are all paying hard money for their shittiest fizzy wine

    Congrats to the guys who came up with the name “Prosecco” tho. It’s a local village I think. Genius branding
    At least it is Italian.

    Whereas Madri lager is as Spanish as Newcastle Brown Ale.
    Carling Black Label rebranded...whoever was responsible for the marketing did an incredible job.

    AB InBev and Heineken Corp have done an amazing job convincing UK consumers to buy all these exotic sounding beer brands which are either fake brands or that are all made under licence in sexy places like Barnsley or Blackburn etc (and all owned by those two companies) and bare very little resemble to the real stuff.
    Madri is disgusting. I don't understand why anyone drinks it. A pint of Doom Bar wins for me anyday and I'm not a massive real ale drinker. Madri is fizzy cat piss.
    Doom Bar is to ale what Madri is to lager.
    Doom Bar is mass market. But it isnt actively shit in the way Madri is.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 84,203

    Pagan2 said:

    MaxPB said:

    Leon said:

    TimS said:

    Leon said:

    TimS said:

    TimS said:

    I’ve had a weekend of almost @BartholomewRoberts esque diet. After my fairly balanced meal out on Friday night it’s been:

    Saturday breakfast: Bacon, sausage and egg bap
    Saturday lunch: huge chunks of bbq fillet steak, with courgettes
    Saturday dinner: barbecued chicken
    Sunday breakfast: bit of a break, with a cinnamon bun
    Sunday lunch: a whole rack of barbecued pork ribs and asparagus
    Sunday dinner: barbecued steak again, and pork chops

    Got tummy ache

    Did you wash it down with 24 cans of sugar free energy drinks?
    An odd mix of crap Prosecco (at the reunion), tea and coffee, butty bach, and cider.
    Sympathies. Life is far far far too short for crap Prosecco
    The stuff has infested the social corners of Britain like Japanese knotweed.
    I bet the Italians can’t believe their luck that we are all paying hard money for their shittiest fizzy wine

    Congrats to the guys who came up with the name “Prosecco” tho. It’s a local village I think. Genius branding
    At least it is Italian.

    Whereas Madri lager is as Spanish as Newcastle Brown Ale.
    Carling Black Label rebranded...whoever was responsible for the marketing did an incredible job.

    AB InBev and Heineken Corp have done an amazing job convincing UK consumers to buy all these exotic sounding beer brands which are either fake brands or that are all made under licence in sexy places like Barnsley or Blackburn etc (and all owned by those two companies) and bare very little resemble to the real stuff.
    Madri is disgusting. I don't understand why anyone drinks it. A pint of Doom Bar wins for me anyday and I'm not a massive real ale drinker. Madri is fizzy cat piss.
    It is incredible that Coors have rebranded an incredibly unpopular and shitty lager with a minor tweak to the formulae and convinced millions of brits they are now drinking some exotic Spanish lager, rather than gnats piss from Burton-Upon-Trent.
    Classic, really.

    For perfection - is it a hit in the Costas, yet?


    Well you convinced those people to drink lager in the first place just saying
    I’m not sure I convinced anyone to drink anything.

    I nearly convinced an Indian friend to start brewing an IPA in India. Apparently, craft beer is beginning to take off there.
    Makes me chuckle the whole IPA thing (And I like an IPA)...its often sold as if it is new revolutionary things...when in reality it called making beer the way they used with like hops and shit to give it some real flavour....
  • TimSTimS Posts: 15,429

    MaxPB said:

    Leon said:

    TimS said:

    Leon said:

    TimS said:

    TimS said:

    I’ve had a weekend of almost @BartholomewRoberts esque diet. After my fairly balanced meal out on Friday night it’s been:

    Saturday breakfast: Bacon, sausage and egg bap
    Saturday lunch: huge chunks of bbq fillet steak, with courgettes
    Saturday dinner: barbecued chicken
    Sunday breakfast: bit of a break, with a cinnamon bun
    Sunday lunch: a whole rack of barbecued pork ribs and asparagus
    Sunday dinner: barbecued steak again, and pork chops

    Got tummy ache

    Did you wash it down with 24 cans of sugar free energy drinks?
    An odd mix of crap Prosecco (at the reunion), tea and coffee, butty bach, and cider.
    Sympathies. Life is far far far too short for crap Prosecco
    The stuff has infested the social corners of Britain like Japanese knotweed.
    I bet the Italians can’t believe their luck that we are all paying hard money for their shittiest fizzy wine

    Congrats to the guys who came up with the name “Prosecco” tho. It’s a local village I think. Genius branding
    At least it is Italian.

    Whereas Madri lager is as Spanish as Newcastle Brown Ale.
    Carling Black Label rebranded...whoever was responsible for the marketing did an incredible job.

    AB InBev and Heineken Corp have done an amazing job convincing UK consumers to buy all these exotic sounding beer brands which are either fake brands or that are all made under licence in sexy places like Barnsley or Blackburn etc (and all owned by those two companies) and bare very little resemble to the real stuff.
    Madri is disgusting. I don't understand why anyone drinks it. A pint of Doom Bar wins for me anyday and I'm not a massive real ale drinker. Madri is fizzy cat piss.
    Doom Bar is to ale what Madri is to lager.
    Doom Bar is mass market. But it isnt actively shit in the way Madri is.
    Never tried Madri. Is it as bad as Budweiser?
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 54,694
    Pagan2 said:

    MaxPB said:

    Leon said:

    TimS said:

    Leon said:

    TimS said:

    TimS said:

    I’ve had a weekend of almost @BartholomewRoberts esque diet. After my fairly balanced meal out on Friday night it’s been:

    Saturday breakfast: Bacon, sausage and egg bap
    Saturday lunch: huge chunks of bbq fillet steak, with courgettes
    Saturday dinner: barbecued chicken
    Sunday breakfast: bit of a break, with a cinnamon bun
    Sunday lunch: a whole rack of barbecued pork ribs and asparagus
    Sunday dinner: barbecued steak again, and pork chops

    Got tummy ache

    Did you wash it down with 24 cans of sugar free energy drinks?
    An odd mix of crap Prosecco (at the reunion), tea and coffee, butty bach, and cider.
    Sympathies. Life is far far far too short for crap Prosecco
    The stuff has infested the social corners of Britain like Japanese knotweed.
    I bet the Italians can’t believe their luck that we are all paying hard money for their shittiest fizzy wine

    Congrats to the guys who came up with the name “Prosecco” tho. It’s a local village I think. Genius branding
    At least it is Italian.

    Whereas Madri lager is as Spanish as Newcastle Brown Ale.
    Carling Black Label rebranded...whoever was responsible for the marketing did an incredible job.

    AB InBev and Heineken Corp have done an amazing job convincing UK consumers to buy all these exotic sounding beer brands which are either fake brands or that are all made under licence in sexy places like Barnsley or Blackburn etc (and all owned by those two companies) and bare very little resemble to the real stuff.
    Madri is disgusting. I don't understand why anyone drinks it. A pint of Doom Bar wins for me anyday and I'm not a massive real ale drinker. Madri is fizzy cat piss.
    Doom Bar is to ale what Madri is to lager.
    While true at least in general ale is tasty where as lager is carbonated deep chilled cats piss
    I defy you to say that, after having a taste of real lager.
  • Pagan2Pagan2 Posts: 11,519

    As unhappy as many of us are with the BBC this needs considering:

    https://x.com/shashj/status/1924137320006947274

    The chinese have always preferred propaganda over facts which is what the bbc largely delivers
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 84,203
    edited May 18
    TimS said:

    MaxPB said:

    Leon said:

    TimS said:

    Leon said:

    TimS said:

    TimS said:

    I’ve had a weekend of almost @BartholomewRoberts esque diet. After my fairly balanced meal out on Friday night it’s been:

    Saturday breakfast: Bacon, sausage and egg bap
    Saturday lunch: huge chunks of bbq fillet steak, with courgettes
    Saturday dinner: barbecued chicken
    Sunday breakfast: bit of a break, with a cinnamon bun
    Sunday lunch: a whole rack of barbecued pork ribs and asparagus
    Sunday dinner: barbecued steak again, and pork chops

    Got tummy ache

    Did you wash it down with 24 cans of sugar free energy drinks?
    An odd mix of crap Prosecco (at the reunion), tea and coffee, butty bach, and cider.
    Sympathies. Life is far far far too short for crap Prosecco
    The stuff has infested the social corners of Britain like Japanese knotweed.
    I bet the Italians can’t believe their luck that we are all paying hard money for their shittiest fizzy wine

    Congrats to the guys who came up with the name “Prosecco” tho. It’s a local village I think. Genius branding
    At least it is Italian.

    Whereas Madri lager is as Spanish as Newcastle Brown Ale.
    Carling Black Label rebranded...whoever was responsible for the marketing did an incredible job.

    AB InBev and Heineken Corp have done an amazing job convincing UK consumers to buy all these exotic sounding beer brands which are either fake brands or that are all made under licence in sexy places like Barnsley or Blackburn etc (and all owned by those two companies) and bare very little resemble to the real stuff.
    Madri is disgusting. I don't understand why anyone drinks it. A pint of Doom Bar wins for me anyday and I'm not a massive real ale drinker. Madri is fizzy cat piss.
    Doom Bar is to ale what Madri is to lager.
    Doom Bar is mass market. But it isnt actively shit in the way Madri is.
    Never tried Madri. Is it as bad as Budweiser?
    It always amazes me with all those Germans who went to the US, and that is what became the national beer....

    Its not like the excuse for the chocolate tasting like sick is actually down to figuring out a key manufacturing process that differs to the way those in Europe worked out a similar time. So it wasn't like the immigrants knew how to do it, nobody in the world at the time did and two differing processes were discovered at a similar time, one that tastes like sick and the European way.
  • Pagan2Pagan2 Posts: 11,519

    Pagan2 said:

    MaxPB said:

    Leon said:

    TimS said:

    Leon said:

    TimS said:

    TimS said:

    I’ve had a weekend of almost @BartholomewRoberts esque diet. After my fairly balanced meal out on Friday night it’s been:

    Saturday breakfast: Bacon, sausage and egg bap
    Saturday lunch: huge chunks of bbq fillet steak, with courgettes
    Saturday dinner: barbecued chicken
    Sunday breakfast: bit of a break, with a cinnamon bun
    Sunday lunch: a whole rack of barbecued pork ribs and asparagus
    Sunday dinner: barbecued steak again, and pork chops

    Got tummy ache

    Did you wash it down with 24 cans of sugar free energy drinks?
    An odd mix of crap Prosecco (at the reunion), tea and coffee, butty bach, and cider.
    Sympathies. Life is far far far too short for crap Prosecco
    The stuff has infested the social corners of Britain like Japanese knotweed.
    I bet the Italians can’t believe their luck that we are all paying hard money for their shittiest fizzy wine

    Congrats to the guys who came up with the name “Prosecco” tho. It’s a local village I think. Genius branding
    At least it is Italian.

    Whereas Madri lager is as Spanish as Newcastle Brown Ale.
    Carling Black Label rebranded...whoever was responsible for the marketing did an incredible job.

    AB InBev and Heineken Corp have done an amazing job convincing UK consumers to buy all these exotic sounding beer brands which are either fake brands or that are all made under licence in sexy places like Barnsley or Blackburn etc (and all owned by those two companies) and bare very little resemble to the real stuff.
    Madri is disgusting. I don't understand why anyone drinks it. A pint of Doom Bar wins for me anyday and I'm not a massive real ale drinker. Madri is fizzy cat piss.
    It is incredible that Coors have rebranded an incredibly unpopular and shitty lager with a minor tweak to the formulae and convinced millions of brits they are now drinking some exotic Spanish lager, rather than gnats piss from Burton-Upon-Trent.
    Classic, really.

    For perfection - is it a hit in the Costas, yet?


    Well you convinced those people to drink lager in the first place just saying
    I’m not sure I convinced anyone to drink anything.

    I nearly convinced an Indian friend to start brewing an IPA in India. Apparently, craft beer is beginning to take off there.
    Didn't mean you in particular just that too many people have been persuaded lager is a potable drink, where as it has to be so chilled you cant actually taste it to make it potable
  • Pagan2Pagan2 Posts: 11,519

    Pagan2 said:

    MaxPB said:

    Leon said:

    TimS said:

    Leon said:

    TimS said:

    TimS said:

    I’ve had a weekend of almost @BartholomewRoberts esque diet. After my fairly balanced meal out on Friday night it’s been:

    Saturday breakfast: Bacon, sausage and egg bap
    Saturday lunch: huge chunks of bbq fillet steak, with courgettes
    Saturday dinner: barbecued chicken
    Sunday breakfast: bit of a break, with a cinnamon bun
    Sunday lunch: a whole rack of barbecued pork ribs and asparagus
    Sunday dinner: barbecued steak again, and pork chops

    Got tummy ache

    Did you wash it down with 24 cans of sugar free energy drinks?
    An odd mix of crap Prosecco (at the reunion), tea and coffee, butty bach, and cider.
    Sympathies. Life is far far far too short for crap Prosecco
    The stuff has infested the social corners of Britain like Japanese knotweed.
    I bet the Italians can’t believe their luck that we are all paying hard money for their shittiest fizzy wine

    Congrats to the guys who came up with the name “Prosecco” tho. It’s a local village I think. Genius branding
    At least it is Italian.

    Whereas Madri lager is as Spanish as Newcastle Brown Ale.
    Carling Black Label rebranded...whoever was responsible for the marketing did an incredible job.

    AB InBev and Heineken Corp have done an amazing job convincing UK consumers to buy all these exotic sounding beer brands which are either fake brands or that are all made under licence in sexy places like Barnsley or Blackburn etc (and all owned by those two companies) and bare very little resemble to the real stuff.
    Madri is disgusting. I don't understand why anyone drinks it. A pint of Doom Bar wins for me anyday and I'm not a massive real ale drinker. Madri is fizzy cat piss.
    Doom Bar is to ale what Madri is to lager.
    While true at least in general ale is tasty where as lager is carbonated deep chilled cats piss
    I defy you to say that, after having a taste of real lager.
    Name a real lager had to try a few as many places dont sell non lager stuff in pints, never found one I ever wanted to regurgitate again
  • BartholomewRobertsBartholomewRoberts Posts: 23,996
    DM_Andy said:

    So Poland looks like staying right. Trzaskowski and Nawrocki both around 30% and one has to think that Mentzen and Braun voters will split to Nawrocki in the second round?

    Looks like good news with the 'far right' candidate third, so knocked out and not making it to the run-off?

    Refreshing, lately, for European countries with that electoral system.
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 22,885

    Pagan2 said:

    MaxPB said:

    Leon said:

    TimS said:

    Leon said:

    TimS said:

    TimS said:

    I’ve had a weekend of almost @BartholomewRoberts esque diet. After my fairly balanced meal out on Friday night it’s been:

    Saturday breakfast: Bacon, sausage and egg bap
    Saturday lunch: huge chunks of bbq fillet steak, with courgettes
    Saturday dinner: barbecued chicken
    Sunday breakfast: bit of a break, with a cinnamon bun
    Sunday lunch: a whole rack of barbecued pork ribs and asparagus
    Sunday dinner: barbecued steak again, and pork chops

    Got tummy ache

    Did you wash it down with 24 cans of sugar free energy drinks?
    An odd mix of crap Prosecco (at the reunion), tea and coffee, butty bach, and cider.
    Sympathies. Life is far far far too short for crap Prosecco
    The stuff has infested the social corners of Britain like Japanese knotweed.
    I bet the Italians can’t believe their luck that we are all paying hard money for their shittiest fizzy wine

    Congrats to the guys who came up with the name “Prosecco” tho. It’s a local village I think. Genius branding
    At least it is Italian.

    Whereas Madri lager is as Spanish as Newcastle Brown Ale.
    Carling Black Label rebranded...whoever was responsible for the marketing did an incredible job.

    AB InBev and Heineken Corp have done an amazing job convincing UK consumers to buy all these exotic sounding beer brands which are either fake brands or that are all made under licence in sexy places like Barnsley or Blackburn etc (and all owned by those two companies) and bare very little resemble to the real stuff.
    Madri is disgusting. I don't understand why anyone drinks it. A pint of Doom Bar wins for me anyday and I'm not a massive real ale drinker. Madri is fizzy cat piss.
    It is incredible that Coors have rebranded an incredibly unpopular and shitty lager with a minor tweak to the formulae and convinced millions of brits they are now drinking some exotic Spanish lager, rather than gnats piss from Burton-Upon-Trent.
    Classic, really.

    For perfection - is it a hit in the Costas, yet?


    Well you convinced those people to drink lager in the first place just saying
    I’m not sure I convinced anyone to drink anything.

    I nearly convinced an Indian friend to start brewing an IPA in India. Apparently, craft beer is beginning to take off there.
    Makes me chuckle the whole IPA thing (And I like an IPA)...its often sold as if it is new revolutionary things...when in reality it called making beer the way they used with like hops and shit to give it some real flavour....
    And most of today's bandwagon jumping IPA drinkers:

    1. Don't know what IPA stands for.
    2. Have never had a can of McEwan's Export.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 54,186
    As a tee-totaller, I have no idea what you guys are wittering on about :lol::lol::lol:
  • Pagan2Pagan2 Posts: 11,519

    Pagan2 said:

    MaxPB said:

    Leon said:

    TimS said:

    Leon said:

    TimS said:

    TimS said:

    I’ve had a weekend of almost @BartholomewRoberts esque diet. After my fairly balanced meal out on Friday night it’s been:

    Saturday breakfast: Bacon, sausage and egg bap
    Saturday lunch: huge chunks of bbq fillet steak, with courgettes
    Saturday dinner: barbecued chicken
    Sunday breakfast: bit of a break, with a cinnamon bun
    Sunday lunch: a whole rack of barbecued pork ribs and asparagus
    Sunday dinner: barbecued steak again, and pork chops

    Got tummy ache

    Did you wash it down with 24 cans of sugar free energy drinks?
    An odd mix of crap Prosecco (at the reunion), tea and coffee, butty bach, and cider.
    Sympathies. Life is far far far too short for crap Prosecco
    The stuff has infested the social corners of Britain like Japanese knotweed.
    I bet the Italians can’t believe their luck that we are all paying hard money for their shittiest fizzy wine

    Congrats to the guys who came up with the name “Prosecco” tho. It’s a local village I think. Genius branding
    At least it is Italian.

    Whereas Madri lager is as Spanish as Newcastle Brown Ale.
    Carling Black Label rebranded...whoever was responsible for the marketing did an incredible job.

    AB InBev and Heineken Corp have done an amazing job convincing UK consumers to buy all these exotic sounding beer brands which are either fake brands or that are all made under licence in sexy places like Barnsley or Blackburn etc (and all owned by those two companies) and bare very little resemble to the real stuff.
    Madri is disgusting. I don't understand why anyone drinks it. A pint of Doom Bar wins for me anyday and I'm not a massive real ale drinker. Madri is fizzy cat piss.
    It is incredible that Coors have rebranded an incredibly unpopular and shitty lager with a minor tweak to the formulae and convinced millions of brits they are now drinking some exotic Spanish lager, rather than gnats piss from Burton-Upon-Trent.
    Classic, really.

    For perfection - is it a hit in the Costas, yet?


    Well you convinced those people to drink lager in the first place just saying
    I’m not sure I convinced anyone to drink anything.

    I nearly convinced an Indian friend to start brewing an IPA in India. Apparently, craft beer is beginning to take off there.
    Makes me chuckle the whole IPA thing (And I like an IPA)...its often sold as if it is new revolutionary things...when in reality it called making beer the way they used with like hops and shit to give it some real flavour....
    And most of today's bandwagon jumping IPA drinkers:

    1. Don't know what IPA stands for.
    2. Have never had a can of McEwan's Export.
    Maybe never having had a can of McEwans export is why they are still extant....the stuff is rank...not as bad as lager but still wow I don't want to drink that again if I can avoid it rank
  • TimSTimS Posts: 15,429
    Looks like Simion’s closed the gap a bit with the latest batch of votes…
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 54,694
    Pagan2 said:

    Pagan2 said:

    MaxPB said:

    Leon said:

    TimS said:

    Leon said:

    TimS said:

    TimS said:

    I’ve had a weekend of almost @BartholomewRoberts esque diet. After my fairly balanced meal out on Friday night it’s been:

    Saturday breakfast: Bacon, sausage and egg bap
    Saturday lunch: huge chunks of bbq fillet steak, with courgettes
    Saturday dinner: barbecued chicken
    Sunday breakfast: bit of a break, with a cinnamon bun
    Sunday lunch: a whole rack of barbecued pork ribs and asparagus
    Sunday dinner: barbecued steak again, and pork chops

    Got tummy ache

    Did you wash it down with 24 cans of sugar free energy drinks?
    An odd mix of crap Prosecco (at the reunion), tea and coffee, butty bach, and cider.
    Sympathies. Life is far far far too short for crap Prosecco
    The stuff has infested the social corners of Britain like Japanese knotweed.
    I bet the Italians can’t believe their luck that we are all paying hard money for their shittiest fizzy wine

    Congrats to the guys who came up with the name “Prosecco” tho. It’s a local village I think. Genius branding
    At least it is Italian.

    Whereas Madri lager is as Spanish as Newcastle Brown Ale.
    Carling Black Label rebranded...whoever was responsible for the marketing did an incredible job.

    AB InBev and Heineken Corp have done an amazing job convincing UK consumers to buy all these exotic sounding beer brands which are either fake brands or that are all made under licence in sexy places like Barnsley or Blackburn etc (and all owned by those two companies) and bare very little resemble to the real stuff.
    Madri is disgusting. I don't understand why anyone drinks it. A pint of Doom Bar wins for me anyday and I'm not a massive real ale drinker. Madri is fizzy cat piss.
    Doom Bar is to ale what Madri is to lager.
    While true at least in general ale is tasty where as lager is carbonated deep chilled cats piss
    I defy you to say that, after having a taste of real lager.
    Name a real lager had to try a few as many places dont sell non lager stuff in pints, never found one I ever wanted to regurgitate again
    Augustiner Helles
  • Pagan2Pagan2 Posts: 11,519

    As a tee-totaller, I have no idea what you guys are wittering on about :lol::lol::lol:

    Imagine licking sweaty donkey balls....its like drinking lager
  • BartholomewRobertsBartholomewRoberts Posts: 23,996
    TimS said:

    Looks like Simion’s closed the gap a bit with the latest batch of votes…

    Hope not too much.

    Where are you tracking the results?
  • BarnesianBarnesian Posts: 9,107
    edited May 18
    nico67 said:

    Very few diaspora votes have been counted yet . The ones that have come through are favouring Dan but these might be from Eastern Europe especially Moldova which is the best diaspora support for Dan .

    There are 388,000 diaspora votes.
    Dan is currently ahead of Simion by 587,000 votes with 88% counted.
    This includes 20% of the diaspora votes that have been counted where he is 5% behind.
    He's won.
    Good

    Edit Correction there are 555,000 diaspora votes. Even so.
  • TimSTimS Posts: 15,429
    edited May 18

    In truly meta style, I’ve just ordered a pale ale from the GWR trolley as we pull out of Swindon heading Eastward, in tribute to the PB beer discussion. And the pale ale is Tribute.

  • DM_AndyDM_Andy Posts: 1,399

    DM_Andy said:

    So Poland looks like staying right. Trzaskowski and Nawrocki both around 30% and one has to think that Mentzen and Braun voters will split to Nawrocki in the second round?

    Looks like good news with the 'far right' candidate third, so knocked out and not making it to the run-off?

    Refreshing, lately, for European countries with that electoral system.
    and the nutcase that was too much for the far-right came fourth. From Braun's wikipedia page
    Braun holds anti-American, anti-Ukrainian, antisemitic, anti-Zionist, and anti-LGBTQ views, and has been broadly described as far-right. He aligns with Traditionalist Catholicism and Polish nationalism. In 2023 he invaded a Holocaust lecture, destroyed equipment, and made more derogatory comments about Jews. Later that year he extinguished a Hanukkah menorah in the Sejm using a fire extinguisher, leading to his exclusion from the session. He is fiercely critical of Protestantism in Poland and has often debated Protestants in public. Braun is an advocate of Enthronement, which entails symbolically "enthroning" Christ as "king of Poland", and is a critic of democracy.
  • TimSTimS Posts: 15,429

    TimS said:

    Looks like Simion’s closed the gap a bit with the latest batch of votes…

    Hope not too much.

    Where are you tracking the results?
    @noelreports on Twitter. A bit ahead of Europe Elects.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 54,694
    TimS said:

    In truly meta style, I’ve just ordered a pale ale from the GWR trolley as we pull out of Swindon heading Eastward, in tribute to the PB beer discussion. And the pale ale is Tribute.

    “ This is not the greatest song in the world, no. This is just a tribute”

    There’s a lot worse to drink than Tribute. Especially on a warm evening.
  • Pagan2Pagan2 Posts: 11,519

    TimS said:

    In truly meta style, I’ve just ordered a pale ale from the GWR trolley as we pull out of Swindon heading Eastward, in tribute to the PB beer discussion. And the pale ale is Tribute.

    “ This is not the greatest song in the world, no. This is just a tribute”

    There’s a lot worse to drink than Tribute. Especially on a warm evening.
    Tribute is at least drinkable
  • TimSTimS Posts: 15,429

    TimS said:

    In truly meta style, I’ve just ordered a pale ale from the GWR trolley as we pull out of Swindon heading Eastward, in tribute to the PB beer discussion. And the pale ale is Tribute.

    “ This is not the greatest song in the world, no. This is just a tribute”

    There’s a lot worse to drink than Tribute. Especially on a warm evening.
    Indeed. Less aggressively grapefruity than some IPAs (and doesn’t call itself an IPA).
  • TimSTimS Posts: 15,429
    I am sunburned.

    This weekend’s weather was indeed (in the Welsh Marches at least) Andean in its intensity of warm sun and cool shadows.

    Aside from the worryingly frost-adjacent nights this is very good weather for vines. Minimal disease pressure during the important pre-flowering period.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 60,959
    edited May 18
    TimS said:

    Leon said:

    TimS said:

    Leon said:

    TimS said:

    TimS said:

    I’ve had a weekend of almost @BartholomewRoberts esque diet. After my fairly balanced meal out on Friday night it’s been:

    Saturday breakfast: Bacon, sausage and egg bap
    Saturday lunch: huge chunks of bbq fillet steak, with courgettes
    Saturday dinner: barbecued chicken
    Sunday breakfast: bit of a break, with a cinnamon bun
    Sunday lunch: a whole rack of barbecued pork ribs and asparagus
    Sunday dinner: barbecued steak again, and pork chops

    Got tummy ache

    Did you wash it down with 24 cans of sugar free energy drinks?
    An odd mix of crap Prosecco (at the reunion), tea and coffee, butty bach, and cider.
    Sympathies. Life is far far far too short for crap Prosecco
    The stuff has infested the social corners of Britain like Japanese knotweed.
    I bet the Italians can’t believe their luck that we are all paying hard money for their shittiest fizzy wine

    Congrats to the guys who came up with the name “Prosecco” tho. It’s a local village I think. Genius branding
    Cleverer than that. Prosecco was (is) the name of the grape variety used by the vast majority of producers. They realised that a grape variety could be grown elsewhere - Australian Prosecco, Romanian Prosecco etc - so they cunningly renamed the grape variety to the much less widely used Glera, and made Prosecco the PDO name. Thereby protecting it from copycats.
    That's brilliant

    "Prosecco" is the perfect name for a celebratory fizzy wine. It's practically an orgasm in itself

    Tho Wiki suggests my first understanding was correct? Perhaps they are both true

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prosecco,_Friuli-Venezia_Giulia
  • TimSTimS Posts: 15,429
    TimS said:

    TimS said:

    Looks like Simion’s closed the gap a bit with the latest batch of votes…

    Hope not too much.

    Where are you tracking the results?
    @noelreports on Twitter. A bit ahead of Europe Elects.
    Dan just extended his lead again, after 85% counted. Looks insurmountable for Simion now, he’s 6.4% behind.
  • BarnesianBarnesian Posts: 9,107

    TimS said:

    Looks like Simion’s closed the gap a bit with the latest batch of votes…

    Hope not too much.

    Where are you tracking the results?
    https://prezenta.roaep.ro/prezidentiale18052025/pv/results?region=total&pv-scope=total&pv-candidate-chart-type=bar&pv-relative-max=max
    ;;
  • Pagan2Pagan2 Posts: 11,519
    Leon said:

    TimS said:

    Leon said:

    TimS said:

    Leon said:

    TimS said:

    TimS said:

    I’ve had a weekend of almost @BartholomewRoberts esque diet. After my fairly balanced meal out on Friday night it’s been:

    Saturday breakfast: Bacon, sausage and egg bap
    Saturday lunch: huge chunks of bbq fillet steak, with courgettes
    Saturday dinner: barbecued chicken
    Sunday breakfast: bit of a break, with a cinnamon bun
    Sunday lunch: a whole rack of barbecued pork ribs and asparagus
    Sunday dinner: barbecued steak again, and pork chops

    Got tummy ache

    Did you wash it down with 24 cans of sugar free energy drinks?
    An odd mix of crap Prosecco (at the reunion), tea and coffee, butty bach, and cider.
    Sympathies. Life is far far far too short for crap Prosecco
    The stuff has infested the social corners of Britain like Japanese knotweed.
    I bet the Italians can’t believe their luck that we are all paying hard money for their shittiest fizzy wine

    Congrats to the guys who came up with the name “Prosecco” tho. It’s a local village I think. Genius branding
    Cleverer than that. Prosecco was (is) the name of the grape variety used by the vast majority of producers. They realised that a grape variety could be grown elsewhere - Australian Prosecco, Romanian Prosecco etc - so they cunningly renamed the grape variety to the much less widely used Glera, and made Prosecco the PDO name. Thereby protecting it from copycats.
    That's brilliant

    "Prosecco" is the perfect name for a celebratory fizzy wine. It's practically an orgasm in itself

    Tho Wiki suggests my first understanding was correct? Perhaps they are both true

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prosecco,_Friuli-Venezia_Giulia
    We need to do away with the PDO thing, if prosecco from california tastes the same why should they not call it prosecco....its pure protectionism that does nothing to help customers
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 73,802
    TimS said:

    TimS said:

    TimS said:

    Looks like Simion’s closed the gap a bit with the latest batch of votes…

    Hope not too much.

    Where are you tracking the results?
    @noelreports on Twitter. A bit ahead of Europe Elects.
    Dan just extended his lead again, after 85% counted. Looks insurmountable for Simion now, he’s 6.4% behind.
    You think he will let something as simple as a massive defeat in a ballot stop him (if he suffers one)? He'll definitely try to pull a Trump.
  • TimSTimS Posts: 15,429
    edited May 18
    Leon said:

    TimS said:

    Leon said:

    TimS said:

    Leon said:

    TimS said:

    TimS said:

    I’ve had a weekend of almost @BartholomewRoberts esque diet. After my fairly balanced meal out on Friday night it’s been:

    Saturday breakfast: Bacon, sausage and egg bap
    Saturday lunch: huge chunks of bbq fillet steak, with courgettes
    Saturday dinner: barbecued chicken
    Sunday breakfast: bit of a break, with a cinnamon bun
    Sunday lunch: a whole rack of barbecued pork ribs and asparagus
    Sunday dinner: barbecued steak again, and pork chops

    Got tummy ache

    Did you wash it down with 24 cans of sugar free energy drinks?
    An odd mix of crap Prosecco (at the reunion), tea and coffee, butty bach, and cider.
    Sympathies. Life is far far far too short for crap Prosecco
    The stuff has infested the social corners of Britain like Japanese knotweed.
    I bet the Italians can’t believe their luck that we are all paying hard money for their shittiest fizzy wine

    Congrats to the guys who came up with the name “Prosecco” tho. It’s a local village I think. Genius branding
    Cleverer than that. Prosecco was (is) the name of the grape variety used by the vast majority of producers. They realised that a grape variety could be grown elsewhere - Australian Prosecco, Romanian Prosecco etc - so they cunningly renamed the grape variety to the much less widely used Glera, and made Prosecco the PDO name. Thereby protecting it from copycats.
    That's brilliant

    "Prosecco" is the perfect name for a celebratory fizzy wine. It's practically an orgasm in itself

    Tho Wiki suggests my first understanding was correct? Perhaps they are both true

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prosecco,_Friuli-Venezia_Giulia
    Yes we are both right. The village gave its name to the grape.

    See also the Burgundian villages of Chardonnay, Gamay and Chasselas.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glera_(grape)
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 84,203
    edited May 18
    Pagan2 said:

    Leon said:

    TimS said:

    Leon said:

    TimS said:

    Leon said:

    TimS said:

    TimS said:

    I’ve had a weekend of almost @BartholomewRoberts esque diet. After my fairly balanced meal out on Friday night it’s been:

    Saturday breakfast: Bacon, sausage and egg bap
    Saturday lunch: huge chunks of bbq fillet steak, with courgettes
    Saturday dinner: barbecued chicken
    Sunday breakfast: bit of a break, with a cinnamon bun
    Sunday lunch: a whole rack of barbecued pork ribs and asparagus
    Sunday dinner: barbecued steak again, and pork chops

    Got tummy ache

    Did you wash it down with 24 cans of sugar free energy drinks?
    An odd mix of crap Prosecco (at the reunion), tea and coffee, butty bach, and cider.
    Sympathies. Life is far far far too short for crap Prosecco
    The stuff has infested the social corners of Britain like Japanese knotweed.
    I bet the Italians can’t believe their luck that we are all paying hard money for their shittiest fizzy wine

    Congrats to the guys who came up with the name “Prosecco” tho. It’s a local village I think. Genius branding
    Cleverer than that. Prosecco was (is) the name of the grape variety used by the vast majority of producers. They realised that a grape variety could be grown elsewhere - Australian Prosecco, Romanian Prosecco etc - so they cunningly renamed the grape variety to the much less widely used Glera, and made Prosecco the PDO name. Thereby protecting it from copycats.
    That's brilliant

    "Prosecco" is the perfect name for a celebratory fizzy wine. It's practically an orgasm in itself

    Tho Wiki suggests my first understanding was correct? Perhaps they are both true

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prosecco,_Friuli-Venezia_Giulia
    We need to do away with the PDO thing, if prosecco from california tastes the same why should they not call it prosecco....its pure protectionism that does nothing to help customers
    You are more likely to get Nigel Farage voting to rejoin the EU than to getting a relaxation of the PDO rules.
  • BartholomewRobertsBartholomewRoberts Posts: 23,996
    Pagan2 said:

    Leon said:

    TimS said:

    Leon said:

    TimS said:

    Leon said:

    TimS said:

    TimS said:

    I’ve had a weekend of almost @BartholomewRoberts esque diet. After my fairly balanced meal out on Friday night it’s been:

    Saturday breakfast: Bacon, sausage and egg bap
    Saturday lunch: huge chunks of bbq fillet steak, with courgettes
    Saturday dinner: barbecued chicken
    Sunday breakfast: bit of a break, with a cinnamon bun
    Sunday lunch: a whole rack of barbecued pork ribs and asparagus
    Sunday dinner: barbecued steak again, and pork chops

    Got tummy ache

    Did you wash it down with 24 cans of sugar free energy drinks?
    An odd mix of crap Prosecco (at the reunion), tea and coffee, butty bach, and cider.
    Sympathies. Life is far far far too short for crap Prosecco
    The stuff has infested the social corners of Britain like Japanese knotweed.
    I bet the Italians can’t believe their luck that we are all paying hard money for their shittiest fizzy wine

    Congrats to the guys who came up with the name “Prosecco” tho. It’s a local village I think. Genius branding
    Cleverer than that. Prosecco was (is) the name of the grape variety used by the vast majority of producers. They realised that a grape variety could be grown elsewhere - Australian Prosecco, Romanian Prosecco etc - so they cunningly renamed the grape variety to the much less widely used Glera, and made Prosecco the PDO name. Thereby protecting it from copycats.
    That's brilliant

    "Prosecco" is the perfect name for a celebratory fizzy wine. It's practically an orgasm in itself

    Tho Wiki suggests my first understanding was correct? Perhaps they are both true

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prosecco,_Friuli-Venezia_Giulia
    We need to do away with the PDO thing, if prosecco from california tastes the same why should they not call it prosecco....its pure protectionism that does nothing to help customers
    Agreed 100%
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 31,297
    Leon said:

    TimS said:

    Leon said:

    TimS said:

    Leon said:

    TimS said:

    TimS said:

    I’ve had a weekend of almost @BartholomewRoberts esque diet. After my fairly balanced meal out on Friday night it’s been:

    Saturday breakfast: Bacon, sausage and egg bap
    Saturday lunch: huge chunks of bbq fillet steak, with courgettes
    Saturday dinner: barbecued chicken
    Sunday breakfast: bit of a break, with a cinnamon bun
    Sunday lunch: a whole rack of barbecued pork ribs and asparagus
    Sunday dinner: barbecued steak again, and pork chops

    Got tummy ache

    Did you wash it down with 24 cans of sugar free energy drinks?
    An odd mix of crap Prosecco (at the reunion), tea and coffee, butty bach, and cider.
    Sympathies. Life is far far far too short for crap Prosecco
    The stuff has infested the social corners of Britain like Japanese knotweed.
    I bet the Italians can’t believe their luck that we are all paying hard money for their shittiest fizzy wine

    Congrats to the guys who came up with the name “Prosecco” tho. It’s a local village I think. Genius branding
    Cleverer than that. Prosecco was (is) the name of the grape variety used by the vast majority of producers. They realised that a grape variety could be grown elsewhere - Australian Prosecco, Romanian Prosecco etc - so they cunningly renamed the grape variety to the much less widely used Glera, and made Prosecco the PDO name. Thereby protecting it from copycats.
    That's brilliant

    "Prosecco" is the perfect name for a celebratory fizzy wine. It's practically an orgasm in itself

    Tho Wiki suggests my first understanding was correct? Perhaps they are both true

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prosecco,_Friuli-Venezia_Giulia
    It oddly connotes dryness because of 'secc'. Which it isn't - or at least I've never had one. Is very catchy and pronounceable though.
  • TimSTimS Posts: 15,429
    ydoethur said:

    TimS said:

    TimS said:

    TimS said:

    Looks like Simion’s closed the gap a bit with the latest batch of votes…

    Hope not too much.

    Where are you tracking the results?
    @noelreports on Twitter. A bit ahead of Europe Elects.
    Dan just extended his lead again, after 85% counted. Looks insurmountable for Simion now, he’s 6.4% behind.
    You think he will let something as simple as a massive defeat in a ballot stop him (if he suffers one)? He'll definitely try to pull a Trump.
    Unfortunately I pulled a Trump on the train over to Newport on Friday, rather too loudly, and my fellow passengers noticed.
  • Pagan2Pagan2 Posts: 11,519

    Pagan2 said:

    Leon said:

    TimS said:

    Leon said:

    TimS said:

    Leon said:

    TimS said:

    TimS said:

    I’ve had a weekend of almost @BartholomewRoberts esque diet. After my fairly balanced meal out on Friday night it’s been:

    Saturday breakfast: Bacon, sausage and egg bap
    Saturday lunch: huge chunks of bbq fillet steak, with courgettes
    Saturday dinner: barbecued chicken
    Sunday breakfast: bit of a break, with a cinnamon bun
    Sunday lunch: a whole rack of barbecued pork ribs and asparagus
    Sunday dinner: barbecued steak again, and pork chops

    Got tummy ache

    Did you wash it down with 24 cans of sugar free energy drinks?
    An odd mix of crap Prosecco (at the reunion), tea and coffee, butty bach, and cider.
    Sympathies. Life is far far far too short for crap Prosecco
    The stuff has infested the social corners of Britain like Japanese knotweed.
    I bet the Italians can’t believe their luck that we are all paying hard money for their shittiest fizzy wine

    Congrats to the guys who came up with the name “Prosecco” tho. It’s a local village I think. Genius branding
    Cleverer than that. Prosecco was (is) the name of the grape variety used by the vast majority of producers. They realised that a grape variety could be grown elsewhere - Australian Prosecco, Romanian Prosecco etc - so they cunningly renamed the grape variety to the much less widely used Glera, and made Prosecco the PDO name. Thereby protecting it from copycats.
    That's brilliant

    "Prosecco" is the perfect name for a celebratory fizzy wine. It's practically an orgasm in itself

    Tho Wiki suggests my first understanding was correct? Perhaps they are both true

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prosecco,_Friuli-Venezia_Giulia
    We need to do away with the PDO thing, if prosecco from california tastes the same why should they not call it prosecco....its pure protectionism that does nothing to help customers
    You are more likely to get Nigel Farage voting to rejoin the EU than to getting a relaxation of the PDO rules.
    Maybe so, they still need to die in a fire along with the copyright rules being severely curtailed
  • BartholomewRobertsBartholomewRoberts Posts: 23,996
    TimS said:

    TimS said:

    TimS said:

    Looks like Simion’s closed the gap a bit with the latest batch of votes…

    Hope not too much.

    Where are you tracking the results?
    @noelreports on Twitter. A bit ahead of Europe Elects.
    Dan just extended his lead again, after 85% counted. Looks insurmountable for Simion now, he’s 6.4% behind.
    Great news.

    Now @Gallowgate its possible to say it.

    Vlad, Donald, @williamglenn your boy took one hell of a beating.
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