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  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 59,853

    Top Gun is clearly Cruise's seminal work, as The Terminator is for Schwarznegger.

    Neither would have a major career without them, and each are also bloody good and original films.

    Did you mean Terminator 2?
    No, The Terminator is a better film.
    This.

    I mean, I absolutely love Terminator 2. But The Terminator is incredibly tight; there isn't a single wasted frame in the whole movie. It's 10/10, while T2 is 9.5/10.

    (And both are better action movies that Top Gun: Maverick.)
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 77,386
    DavidL said:

    Omnium said:

    My three favourite Tom Cruise movies are Rainman, The Color of Money andm A Few Good Men

    Mostly because of Dustin Hoffman, Paul Newman and Jack Nicholson

    A Few Good Men like To Kill A Mockingbird and Inherit The Wind shows the importance of lawyers and how awesome they are.
    A Few Good Men has to be Cruises best film. Twelve Angry Men the best film about lawyers.
    The scenes between Nicholson and Cruise in A few good men are some of the very best court scenes ever made with superb acting on both sides. I agree it is his best film although The Firm is also very good.

    12 angry men is an absolute classic but its not about lawyers at all, indeed they do not come out of it at all well having screwed up both the prosecution and the defence.

    My all time favourite film about a court case has to be My Cousin Vinny with Joe Pesci and the late great Fred Gwynne. It's just hysterical.
    I though A Few Good Men overly stagey.

    There again, so was Anatomy of a Murder, which is pretty good - and has the incomparable Jimmy Stewart.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 27,165
    Is anyone watching the floorshow?

    Here's a vid from a 68 year old friend exploring Beijing, on this one on a Flying Pigeon cycle.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HY3IP_I6LQw
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 38,738
    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    I'm so clever that only I understand how clever I am

    Inter alia, this explains the last twenty years of conversation on PB

    I'm not even joking. I asked the cleverest person I know (me) how clever I am, and that person confirmed it

    I can speak the following languages.

    English, Latin, Greek, German, French, Urdu, Punjabi, and American.

    That is the sign of true intelligence.
    And yet, you live in..... Sheffield
    Yeah, I could be one of those sad Londoners who live in a million pound shoe box or I can live in a very nice house.

    Tough choice.


    There are many markers of high intelligence. "Living in Sheffield" is, I fear, not one of them

    There is a story of Queen Victoria on the royal train heading north to Balmoral. Apparently she loved all the varying views. However as the train pulled into Sheffield she would ask her equerry to close the curtains, and not open them until the regal train had entirely exited Sheffield
    It depends where you live. Dore & Totley is staggeringly opulent.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 62,987

    We just got a boo from the Basel crowd.

    Starmer fans please explain.

    He's there?
  • LeonLeon Posts: 60,626
    rcs1000 said:

    Top Gun is clearly Cruise's seminal work, as The Terminator is for Schwarznegger.

    Neither would have a major career without them, and each are also bloody good and original films.

    Did you mean Terminator 2?
    No, The Terminator is a better film.
    This.

    I mean, I absolutely love Terminator 2. But The Terminator is incredibly tight; there isn't a single wasted frame in the whole movie. It's 10/10, while T2 is 9.5/10.

    (And both are better action movies that Top Gun: Maverick.)
    PREDATOR is better than either

    I think there are less than 100 lines of dialogue in the entire movie, or something bonkers like that

    Pure action, absolute drama, stone cold classic
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 77,386
    rcs1000 said:

    Top Gun is clearly Cruise's seminal work, as The Terminator is for Schwarznegger.

    Neither would have a major career without them, and each are also bloody good and original films.

    Did you mean Terminator 2?
    No, The Terminator is a better film.
    This.

    I mean, I absolutely love Terminator 2. But The Terminator is incredibly tight; there isn't a single wasted frame in the whole movie. It's 10/10, while T2 is 9.5/10.

    (And both are better action movies that Top Gun: Maverick.)
    But even Schwarzenegger was pushing the sequel.

    “I’ll .. be.. back.”
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 38,738
    rcs1000 said:

    Top Gun is clearly Cruise's seminal work, as The Terminator is for Schwarznegger.

    Neither would have a major career without them, and each are also bloody good and original films.

    Did you mean Terminator 2?
    No, The Terminator is a better film.
    This.

    I mean, I absolutely love Terminator 2. But The Terminator is incredibly tight; there isn't a single wasted frame in the whole movie. It's 10/10, while T2 is 9.5/10.

    (And both are better action movies that Top Gun: Maverick.)
    That bit at the end, where the Terminator is pursuing Sarah, even when half-destroyed, is the stuff of nightmares.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 121,983
    edited May 17
    Sean_F said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    I'm so clever that only I understand how clever I am

    Inter alia, this explains the last twenty years of conversation on PB

    I'm not even joking. I asked the cleverest person I know (me) how clever I am, and that person confirmed it

    I can speak the following languages.

    English, Latin, Greek, German, French, Urdu, Punjabi, and American.

    That is the sign of true intelligence.
    And yet, you live in..... Sheffield
    Yeah, I could be one of those sad Londoners who live in a million pound shoe box or I can live in a very nice house.

    Tough choice.


    There are many markers of high intelligence. "Living in Sheffield" is, I fear, not one of them

    There is a story of Queen Victoria on the royal train heading north to Balmoral. Apparently she loved all the varying views. However as the train pulled into Sheffield she would ask her equerry to close the curtains, and not open them until the regal train had entirely exited Sheffield
    It depends where you live. Dore & Totley is staggeringly opulent.
    Indeed, which is where I live.

    A house near me.

    https://www.rightmove.co.uk/properties/159141434#/?channel=RES_BUY
  • MattWMattW Posts: 27,165

    https://x.com/trump_repost/status/1923755659063066894

    I WILL BE SPEAKING, BY TELEPHONE, TO PRESIDENT VLADIMIR PUTIN OF RUSSIA ON MONDAY, AT 10:00 A.M. THE SUBJECTS OF THE CALL WILL BE, STOPPING THE "BLOODBATH" THAT IS KILLING, ON AVERAGE, MORE THAN 5000 RUSSIAN AND UKRAINIAN SOLDIERS A WEEK, AND TRADE. I WILL THEN BE SPEAKING TO PRESIDENT ZELENSKYY OF UKRAINE AND THEN, WITH PRESIDENT ZELENSKYY, VARIOUS MEMBERS OF NATO. HOPEFULLY IT WILL BE A PRODUCTIVE DAY, A CEASEFIRE WILL TAKE PLACE, AND THIS VERY VIOLENT WAR, A WAR THAT SHOULD HAVE NEVER HAPPENED, WILL END. GOD BLESS US ALL!!!

    Trump is a BS-artist, wrapped up in the BS in his head; we all know it.

    The way to stop the killing remains for Putin to withdraw his invasion. That won't change. If he stays what he continues to occupy will remain a war-crimes zone.

    The problems for Putin are that it would result no one more defenestration, and the problem for Trump is that he is so tightly wound up in his own fairy stories.

    He's cross today; the Supreme Court just dumped on him again insisting that he at least partly obey the law.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 62,987
    rcs1000 said:

    Top Gun is clearly Cruise's seminal work, as The Terminator is for Schwarznegger.

    Neither would have a major career without them, and each are also bloody good and original films.

    Did you mean Terminator 2?
    No, The Terminator is a better film.
    This.

    I mean, I absolutely love Terminator 2. But The Terminator is incredibly tight; there isn't a single wasted frame in the whole movie. It's 10/10, while T2 is 9.5/10.

    (And both are better action movies that Top Gun: Maverick.)
    The Terminator is brilliant, and absolutely terrifying.

    It's superb that Arnold plays a relentless and merciless villain, and so brilliantly, which he doesn't do much for the rest of his career.
  • TazTaz Posts: 18,179

    Starts with a bloke in a dress.

    Sigh

    Starts with a bloke in a dress.

    Sigh

    Wish I’d been wearing a frock today. Would have enabled a nice breeze in the Trossachs
    ..


  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 54,628
    kinabalu said:

    IanB2 said:

    kinabalu said:

    Leon said:

    kinabalu said:

    Leon said:

    kinabalu said:

    Leon said:

    kinabalu said:

    Leon said:

    kinabalu said:

    Leon said:

    kinabalu said:

    https://x.com/AaronBastani/status/1923730484644749371

    Really striking that Reform are doing a number of things the Labour establishment denigrated:

    1) They want to build a mass member party

    2) They have lots of rallies.

    3) They see the value in offline social spaces (a reform pub?!)

    4) They want a pipeline from youth activism.

    Bastani seems to be tip-toeing towards Reform.

    Whatever pays the rent, I suppose.
    It is so typical of you to see it in that way. You cannot possibly accept that Bastani is open-minded and intelligent and therefore takes things as he sees them, and tells the truth as he views it, even if it is "uncomfortable" for the Woke Left

    Quite frankly, Labour would be doing vastly better if they had seven hundred Aaron Bastanis as MPs and wonks and activists, rather than the utter shower of wankers they have at the moment
    He's ok. But no doesn't "tell the truth as he sees it". He just tries to get attention.
    You are such a hapless dork. But it's OK. There's room for dorks, even a need for them, sometimes
    A wise dork actually. As in being wise to the MO of these opinion mongers. It's about gaining and monetising attention not (lol) "telling the truth as they see it".

    You're saying that about this particular monger purely because he's saying stuff here that you happen to like.
    No, I'm not. I admire people who look at something and offer an unexpected worldview, it shows they are REALLY thinking

    Here's an opposing example. Jacob Rees Mogg says we should bring back Shamima Begum, as she is our responsibility

    https://www.ft.com/content/dcc420ce-88ac-4288-a0bf-e71dbb119725

    I couldn't disagree more. My opinion of Ms Begum is that we should hand her over to be tried by the Kurds or Yazidis - as they were her victims - and if they decide to execute her, so be it. It is their choice. Whatever. She is despicable

    Nonetheless I admire JRM for adopting a highly unexpected opinion and arguing it logically. He made me think again, even if in the end I still disagree with him, vehemently
    You're just virtue signaling. JRM didn't for one second make you reconsider about Begum. In general, straining to be different and "unexpected" does not map to free intelligent thinking.
    Yep, you're still tedious
    You dislike being sussed, don't you. Get irritated.
    And yet I am right, aren't I? You haven't had an original thought in 30 years and you haven't changed your opinion since you were 21. Sometimes this reality is visible on your tiny radar of self-awareness, and it vaguely troubles you, yet you're not sure why, so you look away, and forget about it. Like someone ignoring a malignant symptom

    And then you trot out the same opinions again
    The tragedy is that he genuinely thinks he's quite bright.
    I'm actually quite unusual in being slightly brighter than I think I am.
    If Leon and you ever met, there’d be a puff of smoke and then the room would be empty??
    Fission rather than fusion, I think.

    But you never know. Perhaps we could sit there quietly and share some nuts.
    Like this - https://youtu.be/SH-Cunv9Wxk?si=g29xdF-vymExtvAQ
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 62,987
    Three European hosts look like bad mannequins from a Swiss curtain showroom.
  • gettingbettergettingbetter Posts: 590
    Leon said:

    We just got a boo from the Basel crowd.

    Starmer fans please explain.

    I caught a hint of a Boo as well

    What can it possibly be, now? Wales' 20 mph experiment?
    Is it because we buy all watches and cuckoo clocks from China, or because they are boring gits?
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 54,078

    rcs1000 said:

    Andy_JS said:

    "Top 21 Tom Cruise Films

    21.Top Gun
    20.The Firm
    19.The Color of Money
    18.Edge of Tomorrow
    17.Interview with the Vampire
    16.Mission: Impossible — Ghost Protocol
    15.Rain Main
    14.Mission: Impossible — Fallout
    13.Born on the Fourth of July
    12.Risky Business
    11.War of the Worlds
    10.A Few Good Men
    9. Jerry Maguire
    8. Mission: Impossible — The Final Reckoning
    7. Minority Report
    6. Mission: Impossible — Dead Reckoning
    5. Mission: Impossible
    4. Collateral
    3. Magnolia
    2. Eyes Wide Shut
    1. Top Gun: Maverick"

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/films/0/tom-cruise-best-films-ranked/

    The bets Mission Impossible movie, and I've watched all of them (except the new one), in the last month is Rogue Nation. And it isn't even close. Rebecca Ferguson's first outing - when she is (a) ambiguous, and (b) muscly rather than emaciated - is superb. It's got some of the series best action sequences (the Moroccan bike chase being a particular favorite of mine), it's got only a slightly absurd plot, and it's got Tom Hollander as the Prime Minister.

    Also; Eyes Wide Shut is not the second best anything. I mean, she is absolutely gorgeous in it, but the movie itself is pedestrian.

    I would rate Collateral as Cruise's best movie, and I would rate the original Top Gun ahead of Maverick.

    ---

    Edit to add: I will take failure to either (a) Like this post, or (b) cogently explain why I am wrong, as a sign that you have no redeeming features whatsoever.
    Collateral is Cruise's best performance by a country mile in my opinion. He is genuinely menacing. It is the only time where I feel he plays a character who isn't Tom Cruise*. And he plays it very, very well.

    *For anyone who doubts me, Rich Hall can help.

    https://youtu.be/v-tU2KIAMrs?si=DeexTmyDq0CrEP5r
    Fair
    In Collateral, Cruise outshines Jamie Foxx, which is no mean feat.
    "A guy gets on the MTA here in L.A. and dies. Think anybody'll notice?"
  • MattWMattW Posts: 27,165
    stodge said:

    HYUFD said:

    stodge said:

    HYUFD said:

    Pagan2 said:

    HYUFD said:
    You dont care if the conservatives die as long as labour do as well?
    They aren't dead, even on that poll average the Conservatives still get 18% of the vote and 20-30 odd MPs and I would still be voting Tory even if Farage wins a majority as that poll predicts
    Fine but how does your party cope with being the fifth largest overall and the fourth largest on the Opposition benches behind Labour, the LDs and the SNP?

    The LDs are used to irrelevance and being ignored - the Conservatives aren't. They've either been the Government or the lead Opposition party since 1832.
    The LDs were in government ten years ago and Starmer would almost certainly need their confidence and supply to be re elected.

    Farage if he fails to win a majority would also likewise need Tory confidence and supply.

    If we went to PR the Tories and LDs would then normally be Kingmakers between Reform and Labour
    You've mentioned this but the truth is ten years ago is ancient history given everything that has happened since then. You're on your fifth leader since Cameron - the LDs are on their third.

    The Conservatives still have over 4,000 Councillors - they were spared losses among the 316 County Councillors in the nine authorities whose elections were postponed but they will be electing Shadow Authorities next May. They have 400 in London - it's perfectly possible the next round of locals will see more losses.

    In Warwickshire, the Conservatives supported the election of a Reform Council leader but Badenoch has said no deals at Westminster level so presumably the Conservatives left after the next election won't be backing a Reform minority administration.

    Do you think they should? IF the Conservatives say they will support a minority Reform Government before the election, why should anyone wanting Reform vote Tory? Why should anyone not wanting Reform vote Conservative?
    That's sound. Reform are still in a political position of a crystal with 8936 flaws, waiting to shatter.

    The strongest thing in their favour is others being in a trance about them.
  • RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 30,070
    They’ve realised the rigged voting is the best bit. So vote now and don’t bother listening to the songs
  • LeonLeon Posts: 60,626
    Sean_F said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    I'm so clever that only I understand how clever I am

    Inter alia, this explains the last twenty years of conversation on PB

    I'm not even joking. I asked the cleverest person I know (me) how clever I am, and that person confirmed it

    I can speak the following languages.

    English, Latin, Greek, German, French, Urdu, Punjabi, and American.

    That is the sign of true intelligence.
    And yet, you live in..... Sheffield
    Yeah, I could be one of those sad Londoners who live in a million pound shoe box or I can live in a very nice house.

    Tough choice.


    There are many markers of high intelligence. "Living in Sheffield" is, I fear, not one of them

    There is a story of Queen Victoria on the royal train heading north to Balmoral. Apparently she loved all the varying views. However as the train pulled into Sheffield she would ask her equerry to close the curtains, and not open them until the regal train had entirely exited Sheffield
    It depends where you live. Dore & Totley is staggeringly opulent.
    It's still Sheffield tho, isn't it. Can't get around that

    Also I simply cannot believe that anywhere in "Sheffield" is "staggeringly opulent"

    Monte Carlo is staggeringly opulent. Mayfair is staggeringly opulent. The Upper East Side of Manhattan is staggeringly opulent. The nicest burbs of Geneva or Paris or Miami or Los Angeles are "staggeringly opulent"

    Sheffield, nah
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 54,078

    They’ve realised the rigged voting is the best bit. So vote now and don’t bother listening to the songs

    You can't vote until the lines are open!
  • RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 30,070
    “Nothing can burn me now. I’ll be my own lighter.”
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 62,987
    Leon said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Top Gun is clearly Cruise's seminal work, as The Terminator is for Schwarznegger.

    Neither would have a major career without them, and each are also bloody good and original films.

    Did you mean Terminator 2?
    No, The Terminator is a better film.
    This.

    I mean, I absolutely love Terminator 2. But The Terminator is incredibly tight; there isn't a single wasted frame in the whole movie. It's 10/10, while T2 is 9.5/10.

    (And both are better action movies that Top Gun: Maverick.)
    PREDATOR is better than either

    I think there are less than 100 lines of dialogue in the entire movie, or something bonkers like that

    Pure action, absolute drama, stone cold classic
    You are one ugly motherfucker.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 54,628
    edited May 17

    Tom Cruise was very good in Valkyrie, he was also massively underrated in Tropic Thunder.

    He was too Tom Cruise in Valkyrie, although that doesn't spoil the film.
    I remember the Guardian review complained that Valkyrie depicted the senior generals of the German army as a bunch of wibbling washerwomen who couldn’t make a decision about killing Hitler.

    That was very accurate.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 60,626
    Ever year, around this time, I remember that the Eurovision Song Contest is incredibly boring, and laboriously gay, in a commercially contrived manner which only appeals to imbeciles
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 54,078
    Nigelb said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Top Gun is clearly Cruise's seminal work, as The Terminator is for Schwarznegger.

    Neither would have a major career without them, and each are also bloody good and original films.

    Did you mean Terminator 2?
    No, The Terminator is a better film.
    This.

    I mean, I absolutely love Terminator 2. But The Terminator is incredibly tight; there isn't a single wasted frame in the whole movie. It's 10/10, while T2 is 9.5/10.

    (And both are better action movies that Top Gun: Maverick.)
    But even Schwarzenegger was pushing the sequel.

    “I’ll .. be.. back.”
    "I now know why you cry. But it is something I can never do."
  • MattWMattW Posts: 27,165
    edited May 17

    Sean_F said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    I'm so clever that only I understand how clever I am

    Inter alia, this explains the last twenty years of conversation on PB

    I'm not even joking. I asked the cleverest person I know (me) how clever I am, and that person confirmed it

    I can speak the following languages.

    English, Latin, Greek, German, French, Urdu, Punjabi, and American.

    That is the sign of true intelligence.
    And yet, you live in..... Sheffield
    Yeah, I could be one of those sad Londoners who live in a million pound shoe box or I can live in a very nice house.

    Tough choice.
    There are many markers of high intelligence. "Living in Sheffield" is, I fear, not one of them

    There is a story of Queen Victoria on the royal train heading north to Balmoral. Apparently she loved all the varying views. However as the train pulled into Sheffield she would ask her equerry to close the curtains, and not open them until the regal train had entirely exited Sheffield
    It depends where you live. Dore & Totley is staggeringly opulent.
    Indeed, which is where I live.

    A house near me.

    https://www.rightmove.co.uk/properties/159141434#/?channel=RES_BUY
    Yes on Dore & Totley; it's where the nobs and the Cleggs live. Speaking from family who go back in Sheffield more than 3 generations - they owned a toolmaking company !

    I don't want to be too rude about that house, but from the piccies it's cookie cutter "2010s footballer in a leafy bit of Cheshire", wrapped on the outside in Peak District heritage wallpaper - no distinctive character.

    Leon's just wibbling from his own lack of experience.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 54,078
    She's singing in some tribal dialect called "French"??
  • RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 30,070
    Any song in French gets the kiss of mort. But this is fab. In a wtaf way.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 62,987
    There's a universe where this Luxembourg entry could have worked, but it's not this one.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 59,853
    Leon said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Top Gun is clearly Cruise's seminal work, as The Terminator is for Schwarznegger.

    Neither would have a major career without them, and each are also bloody good and original films.

    Did you mean Terminator 2?
    No, The Terminator is a better film.
    This.

    I mean, I absolutely love Terminator 2. But The Terminator is incredibly tight; there isn't a single wasted frame in the whole movie. It's 10/10, while T2 is 9.5/10.

    (And both are better action movies that Top Gun: Maverick.)
    PREDATOR is better than either

    I think there are less than 100 lines of dialogue in the entire movie, or something bonkers like that

    Pure action, absolute drama, stone cold classic
    Watch it again. When I saw it at the age of 15 I thought it the greatest movie of all time. When I saw it again at 30, I thought it brilliant. When I saw it at 45, I enjoyed it.

    It hasn't aged as well as you think. It's a good movie, sure. But it's no Terminator or T2.

    (And IMDB agrees with me, for what it's worth.)
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 121,983
    Nigelb said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Top Gun is clearly Cruise's seminal work, as The Terminator is for Schwarznegger.

    Neither would have a major career without them, and each are also bloody good and original films.

    Did you mean Terminator 2?
    No, The Terminator is a better film.
    This.

    I mean, I absolutely love Terminator 2. But The Terminator is incredibly tight; there isn't a single wasted frame in the whole movie. It's 10/10, while T2 is 9.5/10.

    (And both are better action movies that Top Gun: Maverick.)
    But even Schwarzenegger was pushing the sequel.

    “I’ll .. be.. back.”
    I once met Arnold Schwarznegger in the HMV store on Oxford Street, lovely fella, really helpful.

    I told him I was looking for The Terminator Blu Ray boxset but I couldn't find it, he told me where it was, 'Aisle B, back'.
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 43,609

    Tom Cruise was very good in Valkyrie, he was also massively underrated in Tropic Thunder.

    He was too Tom Cruise in Valkyrie, although that doesn't spoil the film.
    He certainly wasn’t very von Stauffenberg.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 45,087
    Leon said:

    We just got a boo from the Basel crowd.

    Starmer fans please explain.

    I caught a hint of a Boo as well

    What can it possibly be, now? Wales' 20 mph experiment?
    Chagos, I think.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 121,983
    CASH!
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 59,853
    Leon said:

    Sean_F said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    I'm so clever that only I understand how clever I am

    Inter alia, this explains the last twenty years of conversation on PB

    I'm not even joking. I asked the cleverest person I know (me) how clever I am, and that person confirmed it

    I can speak the following languages.

    English, Latin, Greek, German, French, Urdu, Punjabi, and American.

    That is the sign of true intelligence.
    And yet, you live in..... Sheffield
    Yeah, I could be one of those sad Londoners who live in a million pound shoe box or I can live in a very nice house.

    Tough choice.


    There are many markers of high intelligence. "Living in Sheffield" is, I fear, not one of them

    There is a story of Queen Victoria on the royal train heading north to Balmoral. Apparently she loved all the varying views. However as the train pulled into Sheffield she would ask her equerry to close the curtains, and not open them until the regal train had entirely exited Sheffield
    It depends where you live. Dore & Totley is staggeringly opulent.
    It's still Sheffield tho, isn't it. Can't get around that

    Also I simply cannot believe that anywhere in "Sheffield" is "staggeringly opulent"

    Monte Carlo is staggeringly opulent. Mayfair is staggeringly opulent. The Upper East Side of Manhattan is staggeringly opulent. The nicest burbs of Geneva or Paris or Miami or Los Angeles are "staggeringly opulent"

    Sheffield, nah
    The most opulent burbs of LA are now a smouldering ruin.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 54,078

    Tom Cruise was very good in Valkyrie, he was also massively underrated in Tropic Thunder.

    He was too Tom Cruise in Valkyrie, although that doesn't spoil the film.
    He certainly wasn’t very von Stauffenberg.
    Eh?

    image
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 31,741
    edited May 17

    We just got a boo from the Basel crowd.

    Starmer fans please explain.

    He's there?
    I hear he likes a buckshee ticket.

    Estonia are now taking the piss out of the Italians.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 62,987
    Expresso Machiatto

    Jesus.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 27,165
    MattW said:

    https://x.com/trump_repost/status/1923755659063066894

    I WILL BE SPEAKING, BY TELEPHONE, TO PRESIDENT VLADIMIR PUTIN OF RUSSIA ON MONDAY, AT 10:00 A.M. THE SUBJECTS OF THE CALL WILL BE, STOPPING THE "BLOODBATH" THAT IS KILLING, ON AVERAGE, MORE THAN 5000 RUSSIAN AND UKRAINIAN SOLDIERS A WEEK, AND TRADE. I WILL THEN BE SPEAKING TO PRESIDENT ZELENSKYY OF UKRAINE AND THEN, WITH PRESIDENT ZELENSKYY, VARIOUS MEMBERS OF NATO. HOPEFULLY IT WILL BE A PRODUCTIVE DAY, A CEASEFIRE WILL TAKE PLACE, AND THIS VERY VIOLENT WAR, A WAR THAT SHOULD HAVE NEVER HAPPENED, WILL END. GOD BLESS US ALL!!!

    Trump is a BS-artist, wrapped up in the BS in his head; we all know it.

    The way to stop the killing remains for Putin to withdraw his invasion. That won't change. If he stays what he continues to occupy will remain a war-crimes zone.

    The problems for Putin are that it would result no one more defenestration, and the problem for Trump is that he is so tightly wound up in his own fairy stories.

    He's cross today; the Supreme Court just dumped on him again insisting that he at least partly obey the law.
    "One more". not "no one more". That is, flying Vlad.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 54,078

    Expresso Machiatto

    Jesus.

    Complete with silly dance!
  • RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 30,070
    edited May 17
    Estonian entry takes the raging piss out of Italy. Great idea! Someone do the UK!!!
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 59,853

    Expresso Machiatto

    Jesus.

    Could be worse. Could be Europapa.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 51,433
    The Estonian the first time a song has been sung in a language other than the national one or English?
  • MattWMattW Posts: 27,165

    CASH!

    I keep getting that: Youtube ads telling me to "Text CASH" somewhere. It could be car financing claims, or some bank product.

    But the first rule of Youtube advertising applies: NEVER respond to ANY Youtube advert.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 54,078
    IanB2 said:

    The Estonian the first time a song has been sung in a language other than the national one or English?

    There was a French entry in Breton a couple of years back.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 60,626
    MattW said:

    Sean_F said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    I'm so clever that only I understand how clever I am

    Inter alia, this explains the last twenty years of conversation on PB

    I'm not even joking. I asked the cleverest person I know (me) how clever I am, and that person confirmed it

    I can speak the following languages.

    English, Latin, Greek, German, French, Urdu, Punjabi, and American.

    That is the sign of true intelligence.
    And yet, you live in..... Sheffield
    Yeah, I could be one of those sad Londoners who live in a million pound shoe box or I can live in a very nice house.

    Tough choice.
    There are many markers of high intelligence. "Living in Sheffield" is, I fear, not one of them

    There is a story of Queen Victoria on the royal train heading north to Balmoral. Apparently she loved all the varying views. However as the train pulled into Sheffield she would ask her equerry to close the curtains, and not open them until the regal train had entirely exited Sheffield
    It depends where you live. Dore & Totley is staggeringly opulent.
    Indeed, which is where I live.

    A house near me.

    https://www.rightmove.co.uk/properties/159141434#/?channel=RES_BUY
    Yes on Dore & Totley; it's where the nobs and the Cleggs live.

    I don't want to be too rude about that house, but it's cookie cutters 2010s footballer in a leafy bit of Cheshire with Peak District wallpaper - no character.

    Leon's just wibbling from his own lack of experience !
    I've been to Sheffield several times. It's a shithole. Most northern English post industrial citiies are, I am afraid. Grotty, ugly, declining (again), riven with new racial divides, vape shops, despair. Indeed the decline and grot is spreading south (and the south has shit-holes of its own). And the weather sucks

    I really really really wish this wasn't true, but it is. Hopefully down the line a new government can at least improve the economic sitch, and the architectural nightmare, even if they can't improve the weather

    @Cookie gives us hopeful posts from Manc, so we shall see

    There are a few acceptable places to live in the UK. Central and central ish London. The nicer suburbs of London. Posh cathedral cities (but not all of them). Cornwall and Devon in general, the nicest parts of the Home Counties and Welsh Marches, wilder bits of Scotland if you can cope with the winters and the midges. Er, Southwold?


  • RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 30,070

    Leon said:

    Ever year, around this time, I remember that the Eurovision Song Contest is incredibly boring, and laboriously gay, in a commercially contrived manner which only appeals to imbeciles

    So, you're glued to the set then?
    Wearing his best sequined hot pants
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 43,609

    Tom Cruise was very good in Valkyrie, he was also massively underrated in Tropic Thunder.

    He was too Tom Cruise in Valkyrie, although that doesn't spoil the film.
    He certainly wasn’t very von Stauffenberg.
    Eh?

    image
    Yebbut Tommy is standing on a case of 88mm shells there.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 73,777
    Leon said:

    Ever year, around this time, I remember that the Eurovision Song Contest is incredibly boring, and laboriously gay, in a commercially contrived manner which only appeals to imbeciles

    Is that why you watch it?
  • LeonLeon Posts: 60,626
    kinabalu said:

    Leon said:

    We just got a boo from the Basel crowd.

    Starmer fans please explain.

    I caught a hint of a Boo as well

    What can it possibly be, now? Wales' 20 mph experiment?
    Chagos, I think.
    Yes, I think you're on to something. Or they've heard about the passing of the Assisted Dying Bill and the Swiss are angrily worried about Dignitas missing out
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 55,337
    Leon said:

    MattW said:

    Sean_F said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    I'm so clever that only I understand how clever I am

    Inter alia, this explains the last twenty years of conversation on PB

    I'm not even joking. I asked the cleverest person I know (me) how clever I am, and that person confirmed it

    I can speak the following languages.

    English, Latin, Greek, German, French, Urdu, Punjabi, and American.

    That is the sign of true intelligence.
    And yet, you live in..... Sheffield
    Yeah, I could be one of those sad Londoners who live in a million pound shoe box or I can live in a very nice house.

    Tough choice.
    There are many markers of high intelligence. "Living in Sheffield" is, I fear, not one of them

    There is a story of Queen Victoria on the royal train heading north to Balmoral. Apparently she loved all the varying views. However as the train pulled into Sheffield she would ask her equerry to close the curtains, and not open them until the regal train had entirely exited Sheffield
    It depends where you live. Dore & Totley is staggeringly opulent.
    Indeed, which is where I live.

    A house near me.

    https://www.rightmove.co.uk/properties/159141434#/?channel=RES_BUY
    Yes on Dore & Totley; it's where the nobs and the Cleggs live.

    I don't want to be too rude about that house, but it's cookie cutters 2010s footballer in a leafy bit of Cheshire with Peak District wallpaper - no character.

    Leon's just wibbling from his own lack of experience !
    I've been to Sheffield several times. It's a shithole. Most northern English post industrial citiies are, I am afraid. Grotty, ugly, declining (again), riven with new racial divides, vape shops, despair. Indeed the decline and grot is spreading south (and the south has shit-holes of its own). And the weather sucks

    I really really really wish this wasn't true, but it is. Hopefully down the line a new government can at least improve the economic sitch, and the architectural nightmare, even if they can't improve the weather

    @Cookie gives us hopeful posts from Manc, so we shall see

    There are a few acceptable places to live in the UK. Central and central ish London. The nicer suburbs of London. Posh cathedral cities (but not all of them). Cornwall and Devon in general, the nicest parts of the Home Counties and Welsh Marches, wilder bits of Scotland if you can cope with the winters and the midges. Er, Southwold?


    Apparently more Americans fleeing Gilead and Trump are buying properties in Edinburgh than London at the moment. It is threatened with its own success in terms of being overwhelmed by tourists but it has a lot going for it.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 31,741

    Leon said:

    Ever year, around this time, I remember that the Eurovision Song Contest is incredibly boring, and laboriously gay, in a commercially contrived manner which only appeals to imbeciles

    So, you're glued to the set then?
    Touche Monsieur!
  • LeonLeon Posts: 60,626
    edited May 17
    ydoethur said:

    Leon said:

    Ever year, around this time, I remember that the Eurovision Song Contest is incredibly boring, and laboriously gay, in a commercially contrived manner which only appeals to imbeciles

    Is that why you watch it?
    No, it's why - every year - I stop watching it
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 73,777
    Leon said:

    MattW said:

    Sean_F said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    I'm so clever that only I understand how clever I am

    Inter alia, this explains the last twenty years of conversation on PB

    I'm not even joking. I asked the cleverest person I know (me) how clever I am, and that person confirmed it

    I can speak the following languages.

    English, Latin, Greek, German, French, Urdu, Punjabi, and American.

    That is the sign of true intelligence.
    And yet, you live in..... Sheffield
    Yeah, I could be one of those sad Londoners who live in a million pound shoe box or I can live in a very nice house.

    Tough choice.
    There are many markers of high intelligence. "Living in Sheffield" is, I fear, not one of them

    There is a story of Queen Victoria on the royal train heading north to Balmoral. Apparently she loved all the varying views. However as the train pulled into Sheffield she would ask her equerry to close the curtains, and not open them until the regal train had entirely exited Sheffield
    It depends where you live. Dore & Totley is staggeringly opulent.
    Indeed, which is where I live.

    A house near me.

    https://www.rightmove.co.uk/properties/159141434#/?channel=RES_BUY
    Yes on Dore & Totley; it's where the nobs and the Cleggs live.

    I don't want to be too rude about that house, but it's cookie cutters 2010s footballer in a leafy bit of Cheshire with Peak District wallpaper - no character.

    Leon's just wibbling from his own lack of experience !
    I've been to Sheffield several times. It's a shithole. Most northern English post industrial citiies are, I am afraid. Grotty, ugly, declining (again), riven with new racial divides, vape shops, despair. Indeed the decline and grot is spreading south (and the south has shit-holes of its own). And the weather sucks

    I really really really wish this wasn't true, but it is. Hopefully down the line a new government can at least improve the economic sitch, and the architectural nightmare, even if they can't improve the weather

    @Cookie gives us hopeful posts from Manc, so we shall see

    There are a few acceptable places to live in the UK. Central and central ish London. The nicer suburbs of London. Posh cathedral cities (but not all of them). Cornwall and Devon in general, the nicest parts of the Home Counties and Welsh Marches, wilder bits of Scotland if you can cope with the winters and the midges. Er, Southwold?
    *Coughs in a way that sounds suspiciously like 'Newent'*
  • Jim_MillerJim_Miller Posts: 3,301
    Stodge: Is this Wikipedia article a reasonable summary of the Portuguese election? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2025_Portuguese_legislative_election

    (Thanks, by the way, for the info on these elections in smaller nations.)
  • TheValiantTheValiant Posts: 1,950
    Leon said:

    Sean_F said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    I'm so clever that only I understand how clever I am

    Inter alia, this explains the last twenty years of conversation on PB

    I'm not even joking. I asked the cleverest person I know (me) how clever I am, and that person confirmed it

    I can speak the following languages.

    English, Latin, Greek, German, French, Urdu, Punjabi, and American.

    That is the sign of true intelligence.
    And yet, you live in..... Sheffield
    Yeah, I could be one of those sad Londoners who live in a million pound shoe box or I can live in a very nice house.

    Tough choice.


    There are many markers of high intelligence. "Living in Sheffield" is, I fear, not one of them

    There is a story of Queen Victoria on the royal train heading north to Balmoral. Apparently she loved all the varying views. However as the train pulled into Sheffield she would ask her equerry to close the curtains, and not open them until the regal train had entirely exited Sheffield
    It depends where you live. Dore & Totley is staggeringly opulent.
    It's still Sheffield tho, isn't it. Can't get around that

    Also I simply cannot believe that anywhere in "Sheffield" is "staggeringly opulent"

    Monte Carlo is staggeringly opulent. Mayfair is staggeringly opulent. The Upper East Side of Manhattan is staggeringly opulent. The nicest burbs of Geneva or Paris or Miami or Los Angeles are "staggeringly opulent"

    Sheffield, nah
    Your favourite film is set in Sheffield!!

    What are you talking about?
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 55,337

    IanB2 said:

    The Estonian the first time a song has been sung in a language other than the national one or English?

    There was a French entry in Breton a couple of years back.
    Did anyone notice? One weird dialect is much like another.
  • RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 30,070
    Lithuania have entered a Shoegazer band. I think the lyrics translate as “Eurovision is so conformist”
  • LeonLeon Posts: 60,626
    DavidL said:

    Leon said:

    MattW said:

    Sean_F said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    I'm so clever that only I understand how clever I am

    Inter alia, this explains the last twenty years of conversation on PB

    I'm not even joking. I asked the cleverest person I know (me) how clever I am, and that person confirmed it

    I can speak the following languages.

    English, Latin, Greek, German, French, Urdu, Punjabi, and American.

    That is the sign of true intelligence.
    And yet, you live in..... Sheffield
    Yeah, I could be one of those sad Londoners who live in a million pound shoe box or I can live in a very nice house.

    Tough choice.
    There are many markers of high intelligence. "Living in Sheffield" is, I fear, not one of them

    There is a story of Queen Victoria on the royal train heading north to Balmoral. Apparently she loved all the varying views. However as the train pulled into Sheffield she would ask her equerry to close the curtains, and not open them until the regal train had entirely exited Sheffield
    It depends where you live. Dore & Totley is staggeringly opulent.
    Indeed, which is where I live.

    A house near me.

    https://www.rightmove.co.uk/properties/159141434#/?channel=RES_BUY
    Yes on Dore & Totley; it's where the nobs and the Cleggs live.

    I don't want to be too rude about that house, but it's cookie cutters 2010s footballer in a leafy bit of Cheshire with Peak District wallpaper - no character.

    Leon's just wibbling from his own lack of experience !
    I've been to Sheffield several times. It's a shithole. Most northern English post industrial citiies are, I am afraid. Grotty, ugly, declining (again), riven with new racial divides, vape shops, despair. Indeed the decline and grot is spreading south (and the south has shit-holes of its own). And the weather sucks

    I really really really wish this wasn't true, but it is. Hopefully down the line a new government can at least improve the economic sitch, and the architectural nightmare, even if they can't improve the weather

    @Cookie gives us hopeful posts from Manc, so we shall see

    There are a few acceptable places to live in the UK. Central and central ish London. The nicer suburbs of London. Posh cathedral cities (but not all of them). Cornwall and Devon in general, the nicest parts of the Home Counties and Welsh Marches, wilder bits of Scotland if you can cope with the winters and the midges. Er, Southwold?


    Apparently more Americans fleeing Gilead and Trump are buying properties in Edinburgh than London at the moment. It is threatened with its own success in terms of being overwhelmed by tourists but it has a lot going for it.
    Yes, I am not pretending my list is complete. I was - shockingly - being provocative

    In a sane slower world I would add Bath, Edinburgh, the Borders, parts of the Lakes, etc: all exquisitely lovely at their best

    But then you have to factor in the weather, which is - anywhere in the UK - quite hard to tolerate
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 62,987
    Lithuania experimenting with Venn diagrams here.

    The look of the Backstreet Boys, the vibe of Radiohead with the talent of Westlife.. in early auditions.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 54,078
    DavidL said:

    IanB2 said:

    The Estonian the first time a song has been sung in a language other than the national one or English?

    There was a French entry in Breton a couple of years back.
    Did anyone notice? One weird dialect is much like another.
    Breton is a Celtic language.
  • GallowgateGallowgate Posts: 20,292
    He seems like a very interesting guy: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tommy_Cash_(rapper)
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 54,078

    Lithuania experimenting with Venn diagrams here.

    The look of the Backstreet Boys, the vibe of Radiohead with the talent of Westlife.. in early auditions.

    I feel depressed already.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 62,987
    Melania Trump singing this?
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 73,777
    Leon said:

    DavidL said:

    Leon said:

    MattW said:

    Sean_F said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    I'm so clever that only I understand how clever I am

    Inter alia, this explains the last twenty years of conversation on PB

    I'm not even joking. I asked the cleverest person I know (me) how clever I am, and that person confirmed it

    I can speak the following languages.

    English, Latin, Greek, German, French, Urdu, Punjabi, and American.

    That is the sign of true intelligence.
    And yet, you live in..... Sheffield
    Yeah, I could be one of those sad Londoners who live in a million pound shoe box or I can live in a very nice house.

    Tough choice.
    There are many markers of high intelligence. "Living in Sheffield" is, I fear, not one of them

    There is a story of Queen Victoria on the royal train heading north to Balmoral. Apparently she loved all the varying views. However as the train pulled into Sheffield she would ask her equerry to close the curtains, and not open them until the regal train had entirely exited Sheffield
    It depends where you live. Dore & Totley is staggeringly opulent.
    Indeed, which is where I live.

    A house near me.

    https://www.rightmove.co.uk/properties/159141434#/?channel=RES_BUY
    Yes on Dore & Totley; it's where the nobs and the Cleggs live.

    I don't want to be too rude about that house, but it's cookie cutters 2010s footballer in a leafy bit of Cheshire with Peak District wallpaper - no character.

    Leon's just wibbling from his own lack of experience !
    I've been to Sheffield several times. It's a shithole. Most northern English post industrial citiies are, I am afraid. Grotty, ugly, declining (again), riven with new racial divides, vape shops, despair. Indeed the decline and grot is spreading south (and the south has shit-holes of its own). And the weather sucks

    I really really really wish this wasn't true, but it is. Hopefully down the line a new government can at least improve the economic sitch, and the architectural nightmare, even if they can't improve the weather

    @Cookie gives us hopeful posts from Manc, so we shall see

    There are a few acceptable places to live in the UK. Central and central ish London. The nicer suburbs of London. Posh cathedral cities (but not all of them). Cornwall and Devon in general, the nicest parts of the Home Counties and Welsh Marches, wilder bits of Scotland if you can cope with the winters and the midges. Er, Southwold?


    Apparently more Americans fleeing Gilead and Trump are buying properties in Edinburgh than London at the moment. It is threatened with its own success in terms of being overwhelmed by tourists but it has a lot going for it.
    Yes, I am not pretending my list is complete. I was - shockingly - being provocative

    In a sane slower world I would add Bath, Edinburgh, the Borders, parts of the Lakes, etc: all exquisitely lovely at their best

    But then you have to factor in the weather, which is - anywhere in the UK - quite hard to tolerate
    Leaving the Cotswolds, Chilterns, Cumbria and the Yorkshire Dales off your list shows how incomplete it was.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 60,626

    Leon said:

    Sean_F said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    I'm so clever that only I understand how clever I am

    Inter alia, this explains the last twenty years of conversation on PB

    I'm not even joking. I asked the cleverest person I know (me) how clever I am, and that person confirmed it

    I can speak the following languages.

    English, Latin, Greek, German, French, Urdu, Punjabi, and American.

    That is the sign of true intelligence.
    And yet, you live in..... Sheffield
    Yeah, I could be one of those sad Londoners who live in a million pound shoe box or I can live in a very nice house.

    Tough choice.


    There are many markers of high intelligence. "Living in Sheffield" is, I fear, not one of them

    There is a story of Queen Victoria on the royal train heading north to Balmoral. Apparently she loved all the varying views. However as the train pulled into Sheffield she would ask her equerry to close the curtains, and not open them until the regal train had entirely exited Sheffield
    It depends where you live. Dore & Totley is staggeringly opulent.
    It's still Sheffield tho, isn't it. Can't get around that

    Also I simply cannot believe that anywhere in "Sheffield" is "staggeringly opulent"

    Monte Carlo is staggeringly opulent. Mayfair is staggeringly opulent. The Upper East Side of Manhattan is staggeringly opulent. The nicest burbs of Geneva or Paris or Miami or Los Angeles are "staggeringly opulent"

    Sheffield, nah
    Your favourite film is set in Sheffield!!

    What are you talking about?
    Apparently they are remaking it, I believe as a series

    I sense this is a mistake. Because, what if it's really popular and they need Season Two?
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 54,078

    Melania Trump singing this?

    Well they did say her statue is missing.
  • ohnotnowohnotnow Posts: 4,761
    Leon said:

    MattW said:

    Sean_F said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    I'm so clever that only I understand how clever I am

    Inter alia, this explains the last twenty years of conversation on PB

    I'm not even joking. I asked the cleverest person I know (me) how clever I am, and that person confirmed it

    I can speak the following languages.

    English, Latin, Greek, German, French, Urdu, Punjabi, and American.

    That is the sign of true intelligence.
    And yet, you live in..... Sheffield
    Yeah, I could be one of those sad Londoners who live in a million pound shoe box or I can live in a very nice house.

    Tough choice.
    There are many markers of high intelligence. "Living in Sheffield" is, I fear, not one of them

    There is a story of Queen Victoria on the royal train heading north to Balmoral. Apparently she loved all the varying views. However as the train pulled into Sheffield she would ask her equerry to close the curtains, and not open them until the regal train had entirely exited Sheffield
    It depends where you live. Dore & Totley is staggeringly opulent.
    Indeed, which is where I live.

    A house near me.

    https://www.rightmove.co.uk/properties/159141434#/?channel=RES_BUY
    Yes on Dore & Totley; it's where the nobs and the Cleggs live.

    I don't want to be too rude about that house, but it's cookie cutters 2010s footballer in a leafy bit of Cheshire with Peak District wallpaper - no character.

    Leon's just wibbling from his own lack of experience !
    I've been to Sheffield several times. It's a shithole. Most northern English post industrial citiies are, I am afraid. Grotty, ugly, declining (again), riven with new racial divides, vape shops, despair. Indeed the decline and grot is spreading south (and the south has shit-holes of its own). And the weather sucks

    I really really really wish this wasn't true, but it is. Hopefully down the line a new government can at least improve the economic sitch, and the architectural nightmare, even if they can't improve the weather

    @Cookie gives us hopeful posts from Manc, so we shall see

    There are a few acceptable places to live in the UK. Central and central ish London. The nicer suburbs of London. Posh cathedral cities (but not all of them). Cornwall and Devon in general, the nicest parts of the Home Counties and Welsh Marches, wilder bits of Scotland if you can cope with the winters and the midges. Er, Southwold?


    Sheffield is only a shithole if you give it a very superficial glance.

    ...

    Oh, hang on...
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 45,087
    Kidding aside, there's some real quality here.
  • RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 30,070
    Absolute euroBanger from Spain
  • boulayboulay Posts: 6,213

    Melania Trump singing this?

    Temu J-Lo.
  • RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 30,070
    ohnotnow said:

    Leon said:

    MattW said:

    Sean_F said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    I'm so clever that only I understand how clever I am

    Inter alia, this explains the last twenty years of conversation on PB

    I'm not even joking. I asked the cleverest person I know (me) how clever I am, and that person confirmed it

    I can speak the following languages.

    English, Latin, Greek, German, French, Urdu, Punjabi, and American.

    That is the sign of true intelligence.
    And yet, you live in..... Sheffield
    Yeah, I could be one of those sad Londoners who live in a million pound shoe box or I can live in a very nice house.

    Tough choice.
    There are many markers of high intelligence. "Living in Sheffield" is, I fear, not one of them

    There is a story of Queen Victoria on the royal train heading north to Balmoral. Apparently she loved all the varying views. However as the train pulled into Sheffield she would ask her equerry to close the curtains, and not open them until the regal train had entirely exited Sheffield
    It depends where you live. Dore & Totley is staggeringly opulent.
    Indeed, which is where I live.

    A house near me.

    https://www.rightmove.co.uk/properties/159141434#/?channel=RES_BUY
    Yes on Dore & Totley; it's where the nobs and the Cleggs live.

    I don't want to be too rude about that house, but it's cookie cutters 2010s footballer in a leafy bit of Cheshire with Peak District wallpaper - no character.

    Leon's just wibbling from his own lack of experience !
    I've been to Sheffield several times. It's a shithole. Most northern English post industrial citiies are, I am afraid. Grotty, ugly, declining (again), riven with new racial divides, vape shops, despair. Indeed the decline and grot is spreading south (and the south has shit-holes of its own). And the weather sucks

    I really really really wish this wasn't true, but it is. Hopefully down the line a new government can at least improve the economic sitch, and the architectural nightmare, even if they can't improve the weather

    @Cookie gives us hopeful posts from Manc, so we shall see

    There are a few acceptable places to live in the UK. Central and central ish London. The nicer suburbs of London. Posh cathedral cities (but not all of them). Cornwall and Devon in general, the nicest parts of the Home Counties and Welsh Marches, wilder bits of Scotland if you can cope with the winters and the midges. Er, Southwold?


    Sheffield is only a shithole if you give it a very superficial glance.

    ...

    Oh, hang on...
    Leon has it wrong. Sheffield is a brilliant city.
  • SonofContrarianSonofContrarian Posts: 165
    Graham Norton describes Basel as the "Harrogate" of Switzerland..😏 I assume that means it's pretty nice but a bit boring..🤨
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 121,983
    It is very courageous to be dissing both Sheffield and Eurovision this evening.

    Just saying.
  • algarkirkalgarkirk Posts: 14,254
    Leon said:

    MattW said:

    Sean_F said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    I'm so clever that only I understand how clever I am

    Inter alia, this explains the last twenty years of conversation on PB

    I'm not even joking. I asked the cleverest person I know (me) how clever I am, and that person confirmed it

    I can speak the following languages.

    English, Latin, Greek, German, French, Urdu, Punjabi, and American.

    That is the sign of true intelligence.
    And yet, you live in..... Sheffield
    Yeah, I could be one of those sad Londoners who live in a million pound shoe box or I can live in a very nice house.

    Tough choice.
    There are many markers of high intelligence. "Living in Sheffield" is, I fear, not one of them

    There is a story of Queen Victoria on the royal train heading north to Balmoral. Apparently she loved all the varying views. However as the train pulled into Sheffield she would ask her equerry to close the curtains, and not open them until the regal train had entirely exited Sheffield
    It depends where you live. Dore & Totley is staggeringly opulent.
    Indeed, which is where I live.

    A house near me.

    https://www.rightmove.co.uk/properties/159141434#/?channel=RES_BUY
    Yes on Dore & Totley; it's where the nobs and the Cleggs live.

    I don't want to be too rude about that house, but it's cookie cutters 2010s footballer in a leafy bit of Cheshire with Peak District wallpaper - no character.

    Leon's just wibbling from his own lack of experience !
    I've been to Sheffield several times. It's a shithole. Most northern English post industrial citiies are, I am afraid. Grotty, ugly, declining (again), riven with new racial divides, vape shops, despair. Indeed the decline and grot is spreading south (and the south has shit-holes of its own). And the weather sucks

    I really really really wish this wasn't true, but it is. Hopefully down the line a new government can at least improve the economic sitch, and the architectural nightmare, even if they can't improve the weather

    @Cookie gives us hopeful posts from Manc, so we shall see

    There are a few acceptable places to live in the UK. Central and central ish London. The nicer suburbs of London. Posh cathedral cities (but not all of them). Cornwall and Devon in general, the nicest parts of the Home Counties and Welsh Marches, wilder bits of Scotland if you can cope with the winters and the midges. Er, Southwold?


    I hesitate to say you need to get out more, but perhaps get out different. You have missed out the whole of: Lincolnshire (have you never been to Stamford?), Cumberland and Westmorland, Yorkshire, Edinburgh, Norfolk and almost all of Suffolk, Sussex, Northumberland, the entire of the Scottish side of the borders, Wiltshire and Doset, Northamptonshire. And Yorkshire.

    Apart from that you are on the right lines.
  • FossFoss Posts: 1,472

    Graham Norton describes Basel as the "Harrogate" of Switzerland..😏 I assume that means it's pretty nice but a bit boring..🤨

    It can't be - it doesn't have a Bettys.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 54,078

    Graham Norton describes Basel as the "Harrogate" of Switzerland..😏 I assume that means it's pretty nice but a bit boring..🤨

    I think he said it was "posh".
  • RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 30,070

    It is very courageous to be dissing both Sheffield and Eurovision this evening.

    Just saying.

    Be fair to @Leon - this is the gayest night of his week and he’s wearing *those* sparkly hot pants. It’s distract him…
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 38,738
    Leon said:

    Sean_F said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    I'm so clever that only I understand how clever I am

    Inter alia, this explains the last twenty years of conversation on PB

    I'm not even joking. I asked the cleverest person I know (me) how clever I am, and that person confirmed it

    I can speak the following languages.

    English, Latin, Greek, German, French, Urdu, Punjabi, and American.

    That is the sign of true intelligence.
    And yet, you live in..... Sheffield
    Yeah, I could be one of those sad Londoners who live in a million pound shoe box or I can live in a very nice house.

    Tough choice.


    There are many markers of high intelligence. "Living in Sheffield" is, I fear, not one of them

    There is a story of Queen Victoria on the royal train heading north to Balmoral. Apparently she loved all the varying views. However as the train pulled into Sheffield she would ask her equerry to close the curtains, and not open them until the regal train had entirely exited Sheffield
    It depends where you live. Dore & Totley is staggeringly opulent.
    It's still Sheffield tho, isn't it. Can't get around that

    Also I simply cannot believe that anywhere in "Sheffield" is "staggeringly opulent"

    Monte Carlo is staggeringly opulent. Mayfair is staggeringly opulent. The Upper East Side of Manhattan is staggeringly opulent. The nicest burbs of Geneva or Paris or Miami or Los Angeles are "staggeringly opulent"

    Sheffield, nah
    Most Northern towns and cities, however grim, have a district where the newly-minted millionaires of the 19th century built their mansions. That’s Dore & Totley, on the edge of the Peak District. In fact, it’s one of the wealthiest wards anywhere in the UK.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 62,987
    The Swiss hosts at least trying to take the piss out of themselves here.
  • NickPalmerNickPalmer Posts: 21,690

    Graham Norton describes Basel as the "Harrogate" of Switzerland..😏 I assume that means it's pretty nice but a bit boring..🤨

    I lived there for 18 years, and that's probably a fair summary. It's a great place to live, but not very glamorous.
  • ohnotnowohnotnow Posts: 4,761

    Expresso Machiatto

    Jesus.

    Tommy Cash is quite The Provocateur, musically. Sometimes for the worse, sometimes for the better. I first encountered him in a collaboration with Modeselektor.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cuDKfGi_7-I&rco=1

    But as a raw performer he can be really very good :

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C2zx2i93R44

  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 54,078
    UK! UK! UK!
  • RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 30,070
    Here we go. How bloody awful is our entry this year?
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 54,078
    edited May 17

    Here we go. How bloody awful is our entry this year?

    They look OK :)
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 121,983

    Here we go. How bloody awful is our entry this year?

    Awful, the Liz Truss of our Eurovision entries.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 31,741
    edited May 17

    Here we go. How bloody awful is our entry this year?

    What utter shite.

    I have Billy Joel's attorneys on the phone, they want his tune back.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 62,987
    I'd shag the British entry.

    I wouldn't vote for them.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 54,078
    WHAT THE HELL JUST HAPPENED??
  • RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 30,070
    I think What The Hell Just Happened is the perfect British euroSong. A hot mess of a “song” with a lyric sung badly to sound like she’s saying “poo”
  • LeonLeon Posts: 60,626
    algarkirk said:

    Leon said:

    MattW said:

    Sean_F said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    I'm so clever that only I understand how clever I am

    Inter alia, this explains the last twenty years of conversation on PB

    I'm not even joking. I asked the cleverest person I know (me) how clever I am, and that person confirmed it

    I can speak the following languages.

    English, Latin, Greek, German, French, Urdu, Punjabi, and American.

    That is the sign of true intelligence.
    And yet, you live in..... Sheffield
    Yeah, I could be one of those sad Londoners who live in a million pound shoe box or I can live in a very nice house.

    Tough choice.
    There are many markers of high intelligence. "Living in Sheffield" is, I fear, not one of them

    There is a story of Queen Victoria on the royal train heading north to Balmoral. Apparently she loved all the varying views. However as the train pulled into Sheffield she would ask her equerry to close the curtains, and not open them until the regal train had entirely exited Sheffield
    It depends where you live. Dore & Totley is staggeringly opulent.
    Indeed, which is where I live.

    A house near me.

    https://www.rightmove.co.uk/properties/159141434#/?channel=RES_BUY
    Yes on Dore & Totley; it's where the nobs and the Cleggs live.

    I don't want to be too rude about that house, but it's cookie cutters 2010s footballer in a leafy bit of Cheshire with Peak District wallpaper - no character.

    Leon's just wibbling from his own lack of experience !
    I've been to Sheffield several times. It's a shithole. Most northern English post industrial citiies are, I am afraid. Grotty, ugly, declining (again), riven with new racial divides, vape shops, despair. Indeed the decline and grot is spreading south (and the south has shit-holes of its own). And the weather sucks

    I really really really wish this wasn't true, but it is. Hopefully down the line a new government can at least improve the economic sitch, and the architectural nightmare, even if they can't improve the weather

    @Cookie gives us hopeful posts from Manc, so we shall see

    There are a few acceptable places to live in the UK. Central and central ish London. The nicer suburbs of London. Posh cathedral cities (but not all of them). Cornwall and Devon in general, the nicest parts of the Home Counties and Welsh Marches, wilder bits of Scotland if you can cope with the winters and the midges. Er, Southwold?


    I hesitate to say you need to get out more, but perhaps get out different. You have missed out the whole of: Lincolnshire (have you never been to Stamford?), Cumberland and Westmorland, Yorkshire, Edinburgh, Norfolk and almost all of Suffolk, Sussex, Northumberland, the entire of the Scottish side of the borders, Wiltshire and Doset, Northamptonshire. And Yorkshire.

    Apart from that you are on the right lines.
    I did say I was being provocative

    However, you also forget I have travelled the entire world, pretty much. So I can compare multiple places in a way 99% of PBers cannot. Half of you barely go over the Channel

    Britain, as a place to live, is falling behind quite badly, in terms of quality of life, beauty of surroundings, urban architecture

    I'm a patriot. I wish this wasn't true. But it is

    The UK has always been a crap place to live if you like nice weather. However we made up for that with quite handsome cities, free speech, a high trust society, social homogeneity, low crime, political stability, notably high incomes, lush green countryside, and clean bracing coastlines etc

    One by one we have lost and are losing all of these, which makes the UK, steadily, much less attractive

  • RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 30,070

    Here we go. How bloody awful is our entry this year?

    Awful, the Liz Truss of our Eurovision entries.
    If we don’t win it’s the fault of the blob
  • GallowgateGallowgate Posts: 20,292
    I thought Remember Monday were pretty good
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 26,605

    Here we go. How bloody awful is our entry this year?

    What utter shite.

    I have Billy Joel's attorneys on the phone, they want his tune back.
    No one sues. Too embarrassing to have been copied for Eurovision.
  • RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 30,070

    Here we go. How bloody awful is our entry this year?

    What utter shite.

    I have Billy Joel's attorneys on the phone, they want his tune back.
    No, they really don’t. Not after that
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 62,987

    I thought Remember Monday were pretty good

    Tbf, they weren't quite as awful as the rehearsals or the official video.

    They gave the best performance they could, and seemed to enjoy it.

    Don't deserve null points.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 31,741

    I'd shag the British entry.

    I wouldn't vote for them.

    You can't!

    Quite probably on both counts, but definitely on the second.
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 34,729

    Here we go. How bloody awful is our entry this year?

    Awful, the Liz Truss of our Eurovision entries.
    Mrs C says that’s unkind!
    For the avoidance of doubt, to the song.
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