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Happy Eurovision day – politicalbetting.com

SystemSystem Posts: 12,472
edited May 17 in General
Happy Eurovision day – politicalbetting.com

What kind of song do Britons think should win Eurovision? The one that is technically best, or the one that is the most fun?Among all BritonsBest song: 51%Most fun: 18%Eurovision fansBest song: 57%Most fun: 36%yougov.co.uk/entertainmen…

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  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 62,539
    Good morning, everyone.

    F1: happy Imola qualifying day!

    Had a tiny, daft, bet on Gasly at 81 each way.
  • TimSTimS Posts: 15,279
    It’s cloudy. What the hell is going on?
  • TimSTimS Posts: 15,279
    edited May 17
    FPT:

    Foxy said:
    Well it looks as if Starmers relaunch as Reform-lite is working as some of us predicted:

    https://bsky.app/profile/yougov.co.uk/post/3lpbk6a32b22u
    My shamelessly partisan take on these numbers:

    Ed Davey is not only substantially more popular on net ratings than any of the others (unless you count Carla Denyer who has a 75% “don’t know”), but

    - he is up since the election, almost unknown for a Lib Dem
    - He is up *24%* with 2024 Tory voters since the last election. The biggest upward movement of any politician with any voter group. His net rating with that group is better than all the other leaders’ national ratings

    That tells me those 2024 Tories who don’t have the taste for Farage are poised to switch in large numbers to the yellow peril.
  • OmniumOmnium Posts: 11,582
    There is a BF market for Eurovision on who will finish last - I've bet a pound on the favourite for that. (I think we all know who the favourite is, but the shortness of the odds surprised me!)
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 77,386
    Radiohead doing Eurovision would probably result in Robert issuing numerous bans.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 77,386
    Trump officials reportedly consider TV gameshow with US citizenship as prize
    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/may/16/trump-tv-gameshow-citizenship-report
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 121,983

    Good morning, everyone.

    F1: happy Imola qualifying day!

    Had a tiny, daft, bet on Gasly at 81 each way.

    It's utter woke nonsense how they've renamed this race the Emilia-Romagna Grand Prix, it's the San Marino Grand Prix.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 121,983
    Omnium said:

    There is a BF market for Eurovision on who will finish last - I've bet a pound on the favourite for that. (I think we all know who the favourite is, but the shortness of the odds surprised me!)

    Yes there is.

    https://www.betfair.com/exchange/plus/special-bets/market/1.241438166
  • geoffwgeoffw Posts: 9,038
    TimS said:

    It’s cloudy. What the hell is going on?

    What the hell just happened ...
    That word is tabu for casual use in several European countries - like the f and c words here. Naïve choice imo

  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 62,989
    Told someone at work yesterday I planned to watch this tonight, and he looked at me like I was a bit... y'know.

    I said, come on: the Polish washerwomen.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 62,989

    Omnium said:

    There is a BF market for Eurovision on who will finish last - I've bet a pound on the favourite for that. (I think we all know who the favourite is, but the shortness of the odds surprised me!)

    Yes there is.

    https://www.betfair.com/exchange/plus/special-bets/market/1.241438166
    I think our song is shit, but not sure there's much value at that price.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 30,637

    Omnium said:

    There is a BF market for Eurovision on who will finish last - I've bet a pound on the favourite for that. (I think we all know who the favourite is, but the shortness of the odds surprised me!)

    Yes there is.

    https://www.betfair.com/exchange/plus/special-bets/market/1.241438166
    It's a 300 per cent market. That's betting jargon for shockingly bad value.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 62,989
    Lol. Jury vote winner market suspended already.

    Straight as FIFA.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 51,626
    edited May 17
    TimS said:

    FPT:

    Foxy said:
    Well it looks as if Starmers relaunch as Reform-lite is working as some of us predicted:

    https://bsky.app/profile/yougov.co.uk/post/3lpbk6a32b22u
    My shamelessly partisan take on these numbers:

    Ed Davey is not only substantially more popular on net ratings than any of the others (unless you count Carla Denyer who has a 75% “don’t know”), but

    - he is up since the election, almost unknown for a Lib Dem
    - He is up *24%* with 2024 Tory voters since the last election. The biggest upward movement of any politician with any voter group. His net rating with that group is better than all the other leaders’ national ratings

    That tells me those 2024 Tories who don’t have the taste for Farage are poised to switch in large numbers to the yellow peril.

    Ed Davey is now significantly more popular with Labour voters than Starmer too.

    It's a shame to talk politics on Eurovision Day, but it is extraordinary that Starmers relaunch as Farage-light has simultaneously cratered his support amongst Labour voters and halved it amongst Reform voters, albeit with the latter from a very low base.

    Keir Starmer's net favourability rating has dropped 12pts in a month to -46, his lowest level ever, including a 34pt drop among Labour voters

    All Britons: -46 net rating (down 12 from 13-14 Apr)

    By 2024 vote
    Labour: -5 (down 34)
    Lib Dem: -13 (down 12)
    Conservative: -76 (up 1)
    Reform: -94 (down 5)

    And Badenoch struggles to make a ripple. I didn't expect much from her, but she has surprised on the downside.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 121,983
    The puerile story of the week comes courtesy of Addleshaw Goddard's intranet.

    A source at the firm sent RollOnFriday this image from AG's new BD Hub, suggesting it's a "bit of a design fail..."

    On the face of it, it's a depiction of someone stacking blocks, perhaps to convey team-building or some other corporate message. But looking at it from a certain angle, and it appears to be a hand shandy.




    An Addleshaw Goddard spokesman sought to clear things up by sending the actual image, stating: "It is clearly building blocks."

    "We can see how the out of focus screenshot can be viewed in a different light," the spokesman added. "We'll take note and update the graphic." Presumably the new image will be something that can no longer be mistaken for someone indulging in the pleasures of the palm, under any light.

    It's not the first time that staff at a firm have been hit with phallic imagery.


    https://www.rollonfriday.com/news-content/exclusive-addleshaw-goddard-design-cock
  • AnneJGPAnneJGP Posts: 3,500
    Nigelb said:

    Trump officials reportedly consider TV gameshow with US citizenship as prize
    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/may/16/trump-tv-gameshow-citizenship-report

    One way to get non-citizens to out themselves.
  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 18,616
    Nigelb said:

    Trump officials reportedly consider TV gameshow with US citizenship as prize
    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/may/16/trump-tv-gameshow-citizenship-report

    Another of those ideas where someone tries to recreate an episode of a memorable TV series set in the future, but forgets that the series was called "The Bad Future".
  • AnneJGPAnneJGP Posts: 3,500
    Good morning, everybody.

    I do read the headers but don't watch telly. It rather surprised me the the UK wasn't ousted from Eurovision song contest when we Brexited.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 62,989
    I've laid Israel finishing in the Top 5 for just over evens.

    It's a good song, so it'll be politics that pops it into 6th-10th, or lower, if it happens.
  • AnneJGPAnneJGP Posts: 3,500

    The puerile story of the week comes courtesy of Addleshaw Goddard's intranet.

    A source at the firm sent RollOnFriday this image from AG's new BD Hub, suggesting it's a "bit of a design fail..."

    On the face of it, it's a depiction of someone stacking blocks, perhaps to convey team-building or some other corporate message. But looking at it from a certain angle, and it appears to be a hand shandy.




    An Addleshaw Goddard spokesman sought to clear things up by sending the actual image, stating: "It is clearly building blocks."

    "We can see how the out of focus screenshot can be viewed in a different light," the spokesman added. "We'll take note and update the graphic." Presumably the new image will be something that can no longer be mistaken for someone indulging in the pleasures of the palm, under any light.

    It's not the first time that staff at a firm have been hit with phallic imagery.


    https://www.rollonfriday.com/news-content/exclusive-addleshaw-goddard-design-cock

    Someone who'd rather splash their employer than deal with a minor issue discreetly & privately. Glad I don't know who it was.
  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 18,616
    AnneJGP said:

    Good morning, everybody.

    I do read the headers but don't watch telly. It rather surprised me the the UK wasn't ousted from Eurovision song contest when we Brexited.

    Given that Israel and Australia take part, that would have been harsh. Apart from Spaceman guy, we haven't done well for ages, but that was the case before 2016 as well.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 121,983
    edited May 17

    AnneJGP said:

    Good morning, everybody.

    I do read the headers but don't watch telly. It rather surprised me the the UK wasn't ousted from Eurovision song contest when we Brexited.

    Given that Israel and Australia take part, that would have been harsh. Apart from Spaceman guy, we haven't done well for ages, but that was the case before 2016 as well.
    We did very well in 2022, thank Allah the Ukrainians I didn't end up in the poorhouse
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 26,605
    AnneJGP said:

    Good morning, everybody.

    I do read the headers but don't watch telly. It rather surprised me the the UK wasn't ousted from Eurovision song contest when we Brexited.

    We pay a lot into it.
  • RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 30,070
    Good morning from glorious Glasgow on this blessed Eurovision day! As is my tradition I haven't watched the semis, haven't heard the songs or read opinions - I want to go into this blind.

    Unlike previous contests I am not planning to drink - which is an intriguing idea. I hope it as much fun sober as it is drunk...

    Meanwhile, Glasgow appears to have been music city yesterday. I went to the Steven Wilson show and was blown away for two and a half hours. Wondered who was on at the SEC going off the people I saw heading back from it last night and realise it was the Goddess Kylie.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 73,777
    Did Trump resign on Friday without meaning to? While criticising the weirdos in the House Republican group, he said this:

    We don’t need ‘GRANDSTANDERS’ in the Republican Party

    So, he's gone then?
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 73,777

    The puerile story of the week comes courtesy of Addleshaw Goddard's intranet.

    A source at the firm sent RollOnFriday this image from AG's new BD Hub, suggesting it's a "bit of a design fail..."

    On the face of it, it's a depiction of someone stacking blocks, perhaps to convey team-building or some other corporate message. But looking at it from a certain angle, and it appears to be a hand shandy.




    An Addleshaw Goddard spokesman sought to clear things up by sending the actual image, stating: "It is clearly building blocks."

    "We can see how the out of focus screenshot can be viewed in a different light," the spokesman added. "We'll take note and update the graphic." Presumably the new image will be something that can no longer be mistaken for someone indulging in the pleasures of the palm, under any light.

    It's not the first time that staff at a firm have been hit with phallic imagery.


    https://www.rollonfriday.com/news-content/exclusive-addleshaw-goddard-design-cock

    Do they find designs hard?
  • AnneJGPAnneJGP Posts: 3,500
    tlg86 said:

    AnneJGP said:

    Good morning, everybody.

    I do read the headers but don't watch telly. It rather surprised me the the UK wasn't ousted from Eurovision song contest when we Brexited.

    We pay a lot into it.
    Ah. We being taxpayers or BBC licence payers?
  • stodgestodge Posts: 14,532

    Omnium said:

    There is a BF market for Eurovision on who will finish last - I've bet a pound on the favourite for that. (I think we all know who the favourite is, but the shortness of the odds surprised me!)

    Yes there is.

    https://www.betfair.com/exchange/plus/special-bets/market/1.241438166
    It's a 300 per cent market. That's betting jargon for shockingly bad value.
    That's almost as bad as betting at a point to point.

    I went to one in Oxfordshire a few years ago - met some members of the Bullingdon Club who couldn't put up a gazebo between them. That, by the way, was the point when I knew Britain was finished.

    The Club put their name to a race on the card - whether they put up any money now I don't know but the Cup was large enough. Four went to post and one of the on course books went, I kid you not:

    1/2, 10/11, Evens, 6/4

    I decided to head for the sanctuary of the refreshment tent...
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 45,540
    It sounds as though Fortnite's taken Leon on as an AI expert:

    https://x.com/PerformerLaw/status/1923464416546242629
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 51,626
    AnneJGP said:

    Good morning, everybody.

    I do read the headers but don't watch telly. It rather surprised me the the UK wasn't ousted from Eurovision song contest when we Brexited.

    The European Broadcasting Union is wider than the EU, and even more fun.

    I find it hard to pick a winner, but the top 5 or tp 10 market is a better bet. Finland, Iceland, Estonia and Ukraine are worth a punt.

    Israel has a good song but is not going to do well in the voting. The UK entry is lame, but not bad enough to go bottom.

  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 62,989
    tlg86 said:

    AnneJGP said:

    Good morning, everybody.

    I do read the headers but don't watch telly. It rather surprised me the the UK wasn't ousted from Eurovision song contest when we Brexited.

    We pay a lot into it.
    It's also got nothing to do with the EU.

    We do it for the comedy. It's also kinda fun.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 55,337
    TimS said:

    It’s cloudy. What the hell is going on?

    Glorious here and genuinely hot (yes, yes, @rcs1000, for Scotland). Going to sit out at a garden centre for coffee and cake this morning.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 51,626
    AnneJGP said:

    tlg86 said:

    AnneJGP said:

    Good morning, everybody.

    I do read the headers but don't watch telly. It rather surprised me the the UK wasn't ousted from Eurovision song contest when we Brexited.

    We pay a lot into it.
    Ah. We being taxpayers or BBC licence payers?
    In terms of viewing public it pulls in the viewers. Money well spent (unless you accidentally win and have to host next year!)
  • MattWMattW Posts: 27,166
    ydoethur said:

    The puerile story of the week comes courtesy of Addleshaw Goddard's intranet.

    A source at the firm sent RollOnFriday this image from AG's new BD Hub, suggesting it's a "bit of a design fail..."

    On the face of it, it's a depiction of someone stacking blocks, perhaps to convey team-building or some other corporate message. But looking at it from a certain angle, and it appears to be a hand shandy.




    An Addleshaw Goddard spokesman sought to clear things up by sending the actual image, stating: "It is clearly building blocks."

    "We can see how the out of focus screenshot can be viewed in a different light," the spokesman added. "We'll take note and update the graphic." Presumably the new image will be something that can no longer be mistaken for someone indulging in the pleasures of the palm, under any light.

    It's not the first time that staff at a firm have been hit with phallic imagery.


    https://www.rollonfriday.com/news-content/exclusive-addleshaw-goddard-design-cock

    Do they find designs hard?
    A company with a vision for growth, literally.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 62,989
    They should ditch the Jury vote in the Final, and just have that part of the qualification or semi-final rounds.

    I fully expect all sorts of shenanigans take place on the Jury vote, and it's as straight as a nine-bob note.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 31,741

    tlg86 said:

    AnneJGP said:

    Good morning, everybody.

    I do read the headers but don't watch telly. It rather surprised me the the UK wasn't ousted from Eurovision song contest when we Brexited.

    We pay a lot into it.
    It's also got nothing to do with the EU.

    We do it for the comedy. It's also kinda fun.
    Do we get any BBC money back for selling it to other European countries like Australia and Israel?

    It's much bigger than it was back in Katie Boyle's day.
  • RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 30,070
    DavidL said:

    TimS said:

    It’s cloudy. What the hell is going on?

    Glorious here and genuinely hot (yes, yes, @rcs1000, for Scotland). Going to sit out at a garden centre for coffee and cake this morning.
    Glorious? Its the Costa del Clyde here
  • MattWMattW Posts: 27,166
    Good morning everyone.

    It's overcast here. Scotland stole our sun.
  • nico67nico67 Posts: 5,416
    Gloriously camp and fun . I love Eurovision .

    My favourite song this year is Austria although it’s in a similar vein to the Code last year so probably won’t win .

    I have no clue who will win !
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 54,628
    Foxy said:

    TimS said:

    FPT:

    Foxy said:
    Well it looks as if Starmers relaunch as Reform-lite is working as some of us predicted:

    https://bsky.app/profile/yougov.co.uk/post/3lpbk6a32b22u
    My shamelessly partisan take on these numbers:

    Ed Davey is not only substantially more popular on net ratings than any of the others (unless you count Carla Denyer who has a 75% “don’t know”), but

    - he is up since the election, almost unknown for a Lib Dem
    - He is up *24%* with 2024 Tory voters since the last election. The biggest upward movement of any politician with any voter group. His net rating with that group is better than all the other leaders’ national ratings

    That tells me those 2024 Tories who don’t have the taste for Farage are poised to switch in large numbers to the yellow peril.

    Ed Davey is now significantly more popular with Labour voters than Starmer too.

    It's a shame to talk politics on Eurovision Day, but it is extraordinary that Starmers relaunch as Farage-light has simultaneously cratered his support amongst Labour voters and halved it amongst Reform voters, albeit with the latter from a very low base.

    Keir Starmer's net favourability rating has dropped 12pts in a month to -46, his lowest level ever, including a 34pt drop among Labour voters

    All Britons: -46 net rating (down 12 from 13-14 Apr)

    By 2024 vote
    Labour: -5 (down 34)
    Lib Dem: -13 (down 12)
    Conservative: -76 (up 1)
    Reform: -94 (down 5)

    And Badenoch struggles to make a ripple. I didn't expect much from her, but she has surprised on the downside.
    I don’t think it is extraordinary. Predictable.

    Reform is far better at being Reform than any other party. Many Reform voters are motivated by anger at the traditional parties. Merely putting on Reform’s coat is barely going to scratch that.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 31,741

    They should ditch the Jury vote in the Final, and just have that part of the qualification or semi-final rounds.

    I fully expect all sorts of shenanigans take place on the Jury vote, and it's as straight as a nine-bob note.

    Back in Boris's day and peak Ukraine we were briefly top dogs again. With Starmer's dereliction of duty over Gaza, his fellating Trump and Ukrainians now setting fire to everything associated with our Prime Minister don't expect anything other than nil points.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 27,166
    edited May 17
    Having read the header, today needs an intellectual upgrade, so here's my question.

    Which 4 celebrities (plus reserve) from The Traitors UK (whatever that is) would you like to have with you for lunch?
    Andy_JS said:


    A) - Alan Carr – Comedian
    B ) - Cat Burns – Singer/Songwriter
    C) - Celia Imrie – Actor
    D) - Charlotte Church – Singer/Activist
    E) - Clare Balding – Broadcaster and Author
    F) - David Olusoga – Historian and Filmmaker
    G) - Joe Marler – Former England Rugby Player and Podcaster
    H) - Joe Wilkinson – Comedian
    I) - Jonathan Ross – Presenter
    J) - Kate Garraway – Broadcaster
    K) - Lucy Beaumont – Comedian
    L) - Mark Bonnar – Actor
    M) - Nick Mohammed – Actor and Comedian
    N) - Niko Omilana – Content Creator
    O) - Paloma Faith – Singer/Songwriter and Actor
    P) - Ruth Codd – Actor
    R) - Stephen Fry – Actor, Writer, Presenter
    S) - Tameka Empson – Actor and Comedian
    T) - Tom Daley – Olympian, Author, Broadcaster and Entrepreneur"

    https://dvd-fever.co.uk/the-celebrity-traitors-announced-for-2025-on-bbc1/

    I'm with Celia Imrie, Kate Garraway, Clare Balding and Tom Daley. My reserve is probably Alan Carr.

    There are two or three I would relocate to St Helena.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 121,983
    MattW said:

    Having read the header, today needs an intellectual upgrade, so here's my question.

    Which 4 celebrities (plus reserve) from The Traitors UK (whatever that is) would you like to have with you for lunch?

    Andy_JS said:


    A) - Alan Carr – Comedian
    B ) - Cat Burns – Singer/Songwriter
    C) - Celia Imrie – Actor
    D) - Charlotte Church – Singer/Activist
    E) - Clare Balding – Broadcaster and Author
    F) - David Olusoga – Historian and Filmmaker
    G) - Joe Marler – Former England Rugby Player and Podcaster
    H) - Joe Wilkinson – Comedian
    I) - Jonathan Ross – Presenter
    J) - Kate Garraway – Broadcaster
    K) - Lucy Beaumont – Comedian
    L) - Mark Bonnar – Actor
    M) - Nick Mohammed – Actor and Comedian
    N) - Niko Omilana – Content Creator
    O) - Paloma Faith – Singer/Songwriter and Actor
    P) - Ruth Codd – Actor
    R) - Stephen Fry – Actor, Writer, Presenter
    S) - Tameka Empson – Actor and Comedian
    T) - Tom Daley – Olympian, Author, Broadcaster and Entrepreneur"

    https://dvd-fever.co.uk/the-celebrity-traitors-announced-for-2025-on-bbc1/

    I'm with Celia Imrie, Kate Garraway, Clare Balding and Tom Daley. My reserve is probably Alan Carr.

    There are two or three I would relocate to St Helena.
    Alan Carr, David Olusoga (I could teach him a few things about history), Stephen Fry, and Celia Imrie.
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 62,539

    MattW said:

    Having read the header, today needs an intellectual upgrade, so here's my question.

    Which 4 celebrities (plus reserve) from The Traitors UK (whatever that is) would you like to have with you for lunch?

    Andy_JS said:


    A) - Alan Carr – Comedian
    B ) - Cat Burns – Singer/Songwriter
    C) - Celia Imrie – Actor
    D) - Charlotte Church – Singer/Activist
    E) - Clare Balding – Broadcaster and Author
    F) - David Olusoga – Historian and Filmmaker
    G) - Joe Marler – Former England Rugby Player and Podcaster
    H) - Joe Wilkinson – Comedian
    I) - Jonathan Ross – Presenter
    J) - Kate Garraway – Broadcaster
    K) - Lucy Beaumont – Comedian
    L) - Mark Bonnar – Actor
    M) - Nick Mohammed – Actor and Comedian
    N) - Niko Omilana – Content Creator
    O) - Paloma Faith – Singer/Songwriter and Actor
    P) - Ruth Codd – Actor
    R) - Stephen Fry – Actor, Writer, Presenter
    S) - Tameka Empson – Actor and Comedian
    T) - Tom Daley – Olympian, Author, Broadcaster and Entrepreneur"

    https://dvd-fever.co.uk/the-celebrity-traitors-announced-for-2025-on-bbc1/

    I'm with Celia Imrie, Kate Garraway, Clare Balding and Tom Daley. My reserve is probably Alan Carr.

    There are two or three I would relocate to St Helena.
    Alan Carr, David Olusoga (I could teach him a few things about history), Stephen Fry, and Celia Imrie.
    What sins has Olusoga committed?

    No idea who Celia Imrie is, or quite a few others on the list.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 121,983

    MattW said:

    Having read the header, today needs an intellectual upgrade, so here's my question.

    Which 4 celebrities (plus reserve) from The Traitors UK (whatever that is) would you like to have with you for lunch?

    Andy_JS said:


    A) - Alan Carr – Comedian
    B ) - Cat Burns – Singer/Songwriter
    C) - Celia Imrie – Actor
    D) - Charlotte Church – Singer/Activist
    E) - Clare Balding – Broadcaster and Author
    F) - David Olusoga – Historian and Filmmaker
    G) - Joe Marler – Former England Rugby Player and Podcaster
    H) - Joe Wilkinson – Comedian
    I) - Jonathan Ross – Presenter
    J) - Kate Garraway – Broadcaster
    K) - Lucy Beaumont – Comedian
    L) - Mark Bonnar – Actor
    M) - Nick Mohammed – Actor and Comedian
    N) - Niko Omilana – Content Creator
    O) - Paloma Faith – Singer/Songwriter and Actor
    P) - Ruth Codd – Actor
    R) - Stephen Fry – Actor, Writer, Presenter
    S) - Tameka Empson – Actor and Comedian
    T) - Tom Daley – Olympian, Author, Broadcaster and Entrepreneur"

    https://dvd-fever.co.uk/the-celebrity-traitors-announced-for-2025-on-bbc1/

    I'm with Celia Imrie, Kate Garraway, Clare Balding and Tom Daley. My reserve is probably Alan Carr.

    There are two or three I would relocate to St Helena.
    Alan Carr, David Olusoga (I could teach him a few things about history), Stephen Fry, and Celia Imrie.
    What sins has Olusoga committed?

    No idea who Celia Imrie is, or quite a few others on the list.
    She’s a very talented actress.
  • JohnLilburneJohnLilburne Posts: 6,666
    AnneJGP said:

    Good morning, everybody.

    I do read the headers but don't watch telly. It rather surprised me the the UK wasn't ousted from Eurovision song contest when we Brexited.

    It's nothing to do with the EU - loads of non-EU countries take part. Ukraine for example
  • MattWMattW Posts: 27,166
    edited May 17

    MattW said:

    Having read the header, today needs an intellectual upgrade, so here's my question.

    Which 4 celebrities (plus reserve) from The Traitors UK (whatever that is) would you like to have with you for lunch?

    Andy_JS said:


    A) - Alan Carr – Comedian
    B ) - Cat Burns – Singer/Songwriter
    C) - Celia Imrie – Actor
    D) - Charlotte Church – Singer/Activist
    E) - Clare Balding – Broadcaster and Author
    F) - David Olusoga – Historian and Filmmaker
    G) - Joe Marler – Former England Rugby Player and Podcaster
    H) - Joe Wilkinson – Comedian
    I) - Jonathan Ross – Presenter
    J) - Kate Garraway – Broadcaster
    K) - Lucy Beaumont – Comedian
    L) - Mark Bonnar – Actor
    M) - Nick Mohammed – Actor and Comedian
    N) - Niko Omilana – Content Creator
    O) - Paloma Faith – Singer/Songwriter and Actor
    P) - Ruth Codd – Actor
    R) - Stephen Fry – Actor, Writer, Presenter
    S) - Tameka Empson – Actor and Comedian
    T) - Tom Daley – Olympian, Author, Broadcaster and Entrepreneur"

    https://dvd-fever.co.uk/the-celebrity-traitors-announced-for-2025-on-bbc1/

    I'm with Celia Imrie, Kate Garraway, Clare Balding and Tom Daley. My reserve is probably Alan Carr.

    There are two or three I would relocate to St Helena.
    Alan Carr, David Olusoga (I could teach him a few things about history), Stephen Fry, and Celia Imrie.
    What sins has Olusoga committed?

    No idea who Celia Imrie is, or quite a few others on the list.
    She’s a very talented actress.
    I admit I had to check, but just for starters films:

    Bridget Jones film series, Calendar Girls (2003), Nanny McPhee (2005), The Best Exotic Marigold Hotel (2011), The Second Best Exotic Marigold Hotel (2015), Mamma Mia! Here We Go Again (2018)

    TV:

    Upstairs, Downstairs, Bergerac, The Nightmare Man, Oranges Are Not the Only Fruit, Casualty, Absolutely Fabulous, and The Darling Buds of May.

    And plenty of stage.
  • vikvik Posts: 380

    tlg86 said:

    AnneJGP said:

    Good morning, everybody.

    I do read the headers but don't watch telly. It rather surprised me the the UK wasn't ousted from Eurovision song contest when we Brexited.

    We pay a lot into it.
    It's also got nothing to do with the EU.

    We do it for the comedy. It's also kinda fun.
    Do we get any BBC money back for selling it to other European countries like Australia and Israel?

    It's much bigger than it was back in Katie Boyle's day.
    The Australian broadcaster SBS is a member of the European Broadcasting Union, so I would think it would get its live feed directly from the EBU, without the BBC being involved ?
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 31,741
    ...
    MattW said:

    MattW said:

    Having read the header, today needs an intellectual upgrade, so here's my question.

    Which 4 celebrities (plus reserve) from The Traitors UK (whatever that is) would you like to have with you for lunch?

    Andy_JS said:


    A) - Alan Carr – Comedian
    B ) - Cat Burns – Singer/Songwriter
    C) - Celia Imrie – Actor
    D) - Charlotte Church – Singer/Activist
    E) - Clare Balding – Broadcaster and Author
    F) - David Olusoga – Historian and Filmmaker
    G) - Joe Marler – Former England Rugby Player and Podcaster
    H) - Joe Wilkinson – Comedian
    I) - Jonathan Ross – Presenter
    J) - Kate Garraway – Broadcaster
    K) - Lucy Beaumont – Comedian
    L) - Mark Bonnar – Actor
    M) - Nick Mohammed – Actor and Comedian
    N) - Niko Omilana – Content Creator
    O) - Paloma Faith – Singer/Songwriter and Actor
    P) - Ruth Codd – Actor
    R) - Stephen Fry – Actor, Writer, Presenter
    S) - Tameka Empson – Actor and Comedian
    T) - Tom Daley – Olympian, Author, Broadcaster and Entrepreneur"

    https://dvd-fever.co.uk/the-celebrity-traitors-announced-for-2025-on-bbc1/

    I'm with Celia Imrie, Kate Garraway, Clare Balding and Tom Daley. My reserve is probably Alan Carr.

    There are two or three I would relocate to St Helena.
    Alan Carr, David Olusoga (I could teach him a few things about history), Stephen Fry, and Celia Imrie.
    What sins has Olusoga committed?

    No idea who Celia Imrie is, or quite a few others on the list.
    She’s a very talented actress.
    I admit I had to check, but just for starters films:

    Bridget Jones film series, Calendar Girls (2003), Nanny McPhee (2005), The Best Exotic Marigold Hotel (2011), The Second Best Exotic Marigold Hotel (2015), Mamma Mia! Here We Go Again (2018)

    TV:

    Upstairs, Downstairs, Bergerac, The Nightmare Man, Oranges Are Not the Only Fruit, Casualty, Absolutely Fabulous, and The Darling Buds of May.

    And plenty of stage.
    She was also one of Victoria Wood's ensemble.and a doyen of BBC costume dramas, back in the day when those were properly lit and not filmed in 80% darkness.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 31,741
    vik said:

    tlg86 said:

    AnneJGP said:

    Good morning, everybody.

    I do read the headers but don't watch telly. It rather surprised me the the UK wasn't ousted from Eurovision song contest when we Brexited.

    We pay a lot into it.
    It's also got nothing to do with the EU.

    We do it for the comedy. It's also kinda fun.
    Do we get any BBC money back for selling it to other European countries like Australia and Israel?

    It's much bigger than it was back in Katie Boyle's day.
    The Australian broadcaster SBS is a member of the European Broadcasting Union, so I would think it would get its live feed directly from the EBU, without the BBC being involved ?
    Fair enough, but do we get a fee back from the European Broadcasting Union for our investment or is it another one of those Keir Starmer deals?
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 31,163

    Told someone at work yesterday I planned to watch this tonight, and he looked at me like I was a bit... y'know.

    I said, come on: the Polish washerwomen.

    Why are you planning to watch it?
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 30,637
    The Rest is Entertainment Q&A with Eurovision producers
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7m1ywj8Dyaw&t=810s
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 18,825
    DavidL said:

    TimS said:

    It’s cloudy. What the hell is going on?

    Glorious here and genuinely hot (yes, yes, @rcs1000, for Scotland). Going to sit out at a garden centre for coffee and cake this morning.
    Take your coat - it’s still May in Scotland after all…
  • algarkirkalgarkirk Posts: 14,254
    A significant majority of the UK population will neither watch the FA cup final nor the Eurovision Song Contest.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 54,078
    Don't forget the UK came second in 2022!
  • I certainly didn’t think Starmer’s moves on immigration would make a short term difference.

    But medium to longer term immigration will fall and if he’s lucky waiting lists will also come down, economy might grow a bit and things might look very different.

    I stand by my predictions but very happy to reassess where things are in 2028.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 30,637

    MattW said:

    Having read the header, today needs an intellectual upgrade, so here's my question.

    Which 4 celebrities (plus reserve) from The Traitors UK (whatever that is) would you like to have with you for lunch?

    Andy_JS said:


    A) - Alan Carr – Comedian
    B ) - Cat Burns – Singer/Songwriter
    C) - Celia Imrie – Actor
    D) - Charlotte Church – Singer/Activist
    E) - Clare Balding – Broadcaster and Author
    F) - David Olusoga – Historian and Filmmaker
    G) - Joe Marler – Former England Rugby Player and Podcaster
    H) - Joe Wilkinson – Comedian
    I) - Jonathan Ross – Presenter
    J) - Kate Garraway – Broadcaster
    K) - Lucy Beaumont – Comedian
    L) - Mark Bonnar – Actor
    M) - Nick Mohammed – Actor and Comedian
    N) - Niko Omilana – Content Creator
    O) - Paloma Faith – Singer/Songwriter and Actor
    P) - Ruth Codd – Actor
    R) - Stephen Fry – Actor, Writer, Presenter
    S) - Tameka Empson – Actor and Comedian
    T) - Tom Daley – Olympian, Author, Broadcaster and Entrepreneur"

    https://dvd-fever.co.uk/the-celebrity-traitors-announced-for-2025-on-bbc1/

    I'm with Celia Imrie, Kate Garraway, Clare Balding and Tom Daley. My reserve is probably Alan Carr.

    There are two or three I would relocate to St Helena.
    Alan Carr, David Olusoga (I could teach him a few things about history), Stephen Fry, and Celia Imrie.
    Wasn't it Charles Clarke as EdSec who said historians were fine as ornaments but the public should not have to pay?
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 54,078
    At least TSE name-checked Depeche Mode in the header :sunglasses:
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 62,989

    Told someone at work yesterday I planned to watch this tonight, and he looked at me like I was a bit... y'know.

    I said, come on: the Polish washerwomen.

    Why are you planning to watch it?
    I find it funny
  • FF43FF43 Posts: 17,944
    Eurovision seems to come round quicker each year, and get longer each time.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 55,242
    https://x.com/keir_starmer/status/1923650746760757606

    For too long, Britain has been addicted to cheap overseas labour — while 1 in 8 of our own young people aren’t in education, employment or training.

    I'm putting our young people first, investing in skills they need and ending our dependence on foreign labour.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 54,078

    Don't forget the UK came second in 2022!

    Was that a poor performance??
  • FF43FF43 Posts: 17,944

    MattW said:

    Having read the header, today needs an intellectual upgrade, so here's my question.

    Which 4 celebrities (plus reserve) from The Traitors UK (whatever that is) would you like to have with you for lunch?

    Andy_JS said:


    A) - Alan Carr – Comedian
    B ) - Cat Burns – Singer/Songwriter
    C) - Celia Imrie – Actor
    D) - Charlotte Church – Singer/Activist
    E) - Clare Balding – Broadcaster and Author
    F) - David Olusoga – Historian and Filmmaker
    G) - Joe Marler – Former England Rugby Player and Podcaster
    H) - Joe Wilkinson – Comedian
    I) - Jonathan Ross – Presenter
    J) - Kate Garraway – Broadcaster
    K) - Lucy Beaumont – Comedian
    L) - Mark Bonnar – Actor
    M) - Nick Mohammed – Actor and Comedian
    N) - Niko Omilana – Content Creator
    O) - Paloma Faith – Singer/Songwriter and Actor
    P) - Ruth Codd – Actor
    R) - Stephen Fry – Actor, Writer, Presenter
    S) - Tameka Empson – Actor and Comedian
    T) - Tom Daley – Olympian, Author, Broadcaster and Entrepreneur"

    https://dvd-fever.co.uk/the-celebrity-traitors-announced-for-2025-on-bbc1/

    I'm with Celia Imrie, Kate Garraway, Clare Balding and Tom Daley. My reserve is probably Alan Carr.

    There are two or three I would relocate to St Helena.
    Alan Carr, David Olusoga (I could teach him a few things about history), Stephen Fry, and Celia Imrie.
    Wasn't it Charles Clarke as EdSec who said historians were fine as ornaments but the public should not have to pay?
    History never repeats itself, but historians do all the time.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 54,078
    Back in 2007:

    "We're flying the flag all over the world
    Flying the flag for you"

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XT6yOIC6ihI&t=3s
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 43,610
    SLab got the day release lad on the editing of this one. Shame that we're denied the totality of the effortless fluency of their candidate for the Hamilton, Larkhall and Stonehouse by election.

    https://x.com/IanMurrayMP/status/1923351324214624446
  • algarkirkalgarkirk Posts: 14,254
    TimS said:

    FPT:

    Foxy said:
    Well it looks as if Starmers relaunch as Reform-lite is working as some of us predicted:

    https://bsky.app/profile/yougov.co.uk/post/3lpbk6a32b22u
    My shamelessly partisan take on these numbers:

    Ed Davey is not only substantially more popular on net ratings than any of the others (unless you count Carla Denyer who has a 75% “don’t know”), but

    - he is up since the election, almost unknown for a Lib Dem
    - He is up *24%* with 2024 Tory voters since the last election. The biggest upward movement of any politician with any voter group. His net rating with that group is better than all the other leaders’ national ratings

    That tells me those 2024 Tories who don’t have the taste for Farage are poised to switch in large numbers to the yellow peril.

    Yes. It's all relative change. It seems to me (perhaps I have not been paying attention) that the LDs don't clearly stand for much that is very distinctive except that they are not Reform and not the parties tarnished by governing.

    This may be enough for now to progress towards a possible outcome that by 2029 there will be two main camps rather than two main parties. One camp is Reform; the other camp is everyone else (Scotland, Wales and NI are different). And the rule will be simple: Everyone who is going to vote in England will either vote Reform or anti-Reform.

    This could give tactical voting, Bar Charts, 'Winning here' and 'One More heave' a completely new lease of life, shifting LD hopes from 100 seats max to being a national party. 'The only party that isn't Reform, isn't actually certifiable and hasn't trashed the country'. Yet.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 54,078

    Told someone at work yesterday I planned to watch this tonight, and he looked at me like I was a bit... y'know.

    I said, come on: the Polish washerwomen.

    Why are you planning to watch it?
    I find it funny
    "Something to suck on during landing, sir?"
  • I’m struggling with the idea that Green and Lib Dem voters are going to vote against Labour.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 62,989
    FF43 said:

    Eurovision seems to come round quicker each year, and get longer each time.

    And camper.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 62,989

    MattW said:

    Having read the header, today needs an intellectual upgrade, so here's my question.

    Which 4 celebrities (plus reserve) from The Traitors UK (whatever that is) would you like to have with you for lunch?

    Andy_JS said:


    A) - Alan Carr – Comedian
    B ) - Cat Burns – Singer/Songwriter
    C) - Celia Imrie – Actor
    D) - Charlotte Church – Singer/Activist
    E) - Clare Balding – Broadcaster and Author
    F) - David Olusoga – Historian and Filmmaker
    G) - Joe Marler – Former England Rugby Player and Podcaster
    H) - Joe Wilkinson – Comedian
    I) - Jonathan Ross – Presenter
    J) - Kate Garraway – Broadcaster
    K) - Lucy Beaumont – Comedian
    L) - Mark Bonnar – Actor
    M) - Nick Mohammed – Actor and Comedian
    N) - Niko Omilana – Content Creator
    O) - Paloma Faith – Singer/Songwriter and Actor
    P) - Ruth Codd – Actor
    R) - Stephen Fry – Actor, Writer, Presenter
    S) - Tameka Empson – Actor and Comedian
    T) - Tom Daley – Olympian, Author, Broadcaster and Entrepreneur"

    https://dvd-fever.co.uk/the-celebrity-traitors-announced-for-2025-on-bbc1/

    I'm with Celia Imrie, Kate Garraway, Clare Balding and Tom Daley. My reserve is probably Alan Carr.

    There are two or three I would relocate to St Helena.
    Alan Carr, David Olusoga (I could teach him a few things about history), Stephen Fry, and Celia Imrie.
    None of them.

    Maybe a private lunch with Charlotte Church.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 62,989

    Told someone at work yesterday I planned to watch this tonight, and he looked at me like I was a bit... y'know.

    I said, come on: the Polish washerwomen.

    Why are you planning to watch it?
    I find it funny
    "Something to suck on during landing, sir?"
    It's diabolical.
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 31,163

    Told someone at work yesterday I planned to watch this tonight, and he looked at me like I was a bit... y'know.

    I said, come on: the Polish washerwomen.

    Why are you planning to watch it?
    1
    I find it funny
    Each to their own.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 73,777

    MattW said:

    Having read the header, today needs an intellectual upgrade, so here's my question.

    Which 4 celebrities (plus reserve) from The Traitors UK (whatever that is) would you like to have with you for lunch?

    Andy_JS said:


    A) - Alan Carr – Comedian
    B ) - Cat Burns – Singer/Songwriter
    C) - Celia Imrie – Actor
    D) - Charlotte Church – Singer/Activist
    E) - Clare Balding – Broadcaster and Author
    F) - David Olusoga – Historian and Filmmaker
    G) - Joe Marler – Former England Rugby Player and Podcaster
    H) - Joe Wilkinson – Comedian
    I) - Jonathan Ross – Presenter
    J) - Kate Garraway – Broadcaster
    K) - Lucy Beaumont – Comedian
    L) - Mark Bonnar – Actor
    M) - Nick Mohammed – Actor and Comedian
    N) - Niko Omilana – Content Creator
    O) - Paloma Faith – Singer/Songwriter and Actor
    P) - Ruth Codd – Actor
    R) - Stephen Fry – Actor, Writer, Presenter
    S) - Tameka Empson – Actor and Comedian
    T) - Tom Daley – Olympian, Author, Broadcaster and Entrepreneur"

    https://dvd-fever.co.uk/the-celebrity-traitors-announced-for-2025-on-bbc1/

    I'm with Celia Imrie, Kate Garraway, Clare Balding and Tom Daley. My reserve is probably Alan Carr.

    There are two or three I would relocate to St Helena.
    Alan Carr, David Olusoga (I could teach him a few things about history), Stephen Fry, and Celia Imrie.
    Wasn't it Charles Clarke as EdSec who said historians were fine as ornaments but the public should not have to pay?
    Which, oddly, is how many of us saw him as well.
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 22,846

    I’m struggling with the idea that Green and Lib Dem voters are going to vote against Labour.

    They're virtue signalling. Come the GE, plenty will return to Labour to keep the ReFukkers and Tories out.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 121,983

    I’m struggling with the idea that Green and Lib Dem voters are going to vote against Labour.

    I suggest a visit to Dearborn, Michigan.

    Also let me introduce you to Big John Owls.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 121,983

    FF43 said:

    Eurovision seems to come round quicker each year, and get longer each time.

    And camper.
    It’s camper than a row of pink tents.
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 22,846

    Don't forget the UK came second in 2022!

    If it wasn't for Putin we'd have won!
  • tpfkartpfkar Posts: 1,573

    I’m struggling with the idea that Green and Lib Dem voters are going to vote against Labour.

    They're virtue signalling. Come the GE, plenty will return to Labour to keep the ReFukkers and Tories out.
    I voted tactically for Labour last year. Until this week, if it looked like Reform vs Labour at the next GE, I reckon I'd have found a way to hold my nose and do the same. After this week, especially Island of Strangers which felt as much an attack on our family as anything else, no chance.

    I'm sure I'm unusual (not least as I'm posting here) but if I'm not, Labour are in trouble indeed.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 51,434
    TimS said:

    It’s cloudy. What the hell is going on?

    It's gonna clear later
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 62,989

    FF43 said:

    Eurovision seems to come round quicker each year, and get longer each time.

    And camper.
    It’s camper than a row of pink tents.
    A friend of mine describes it as the Gay Olympics.
  • FffsFffs Posts: 104
    She is almost as modest about her talents as TSE.
  • FlatlanderFlatlander Posts: 4,995

    FF43 said:

    Eurovision seems to come round quicker each year, and get longer each time.

    And camper.
    It’s camper than a row of pink tents.
    I don't remember it being quite so overt, although perhaps I was just a young innocent in the early 80s.

    What happened?

    Perhaps the original concept just became too dull.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 51,434
    edited May 17
    algarkirk said:

    TimS said:

    FPT:

    Foxy said:
    Well it looks as if Starmers relaunch as Reform-lite is working as some of us predicted:

    https://bsky.app/profile/yougov.co.uk/post/3lpbk6a32b22u
    My shamelessly partisan take on these numbers:

    Ed Davey is not only substantially more popular on net ratings than any of the others (unless you count Carla Denyer who has a 75% “don’t know”), but

    - he is up since the election, almost unknown for a Lib Dem
    - He is up *24%* with 2024 Tory voters since the last election. The biggest upward movement of any politician with any voter group. His net rating with that group is better than all the other leaders’ national ratings

    That tells me those 2024 Tories who don’t have the taste for Farage are poised to switch in large numbers to the yellow peril.

    Yes. It's all relative change. It seems to me (perhaps I have not been paying attention) that the LDs don't clearly stand for much that is very distinctive except that they are not Reform and not the parties tarnished by governing.

    This may be enough for now to progress towards a possible outcome that by 2029 there will be two main camps rather than two main parties. One camp is Reform; the other camp is everyone else (Scotland, Wales and NI are different). And the rule will be simple: Everyone who is going to vote in England will either vote Reform or anti-Reform.

    This could give tactical voting, Bar Charts, 'Winning here' and 'One More heave' a completely new lease of life, shifting LD hopes from 100 seats max to being a national party. 'The only party that isn't Reform, isn't actually certifiable and hasn't trashed the country'. Yet.
    The political cards have fallen well for the LibDems; Reform is pulling all the other parties over to the right, and with the SNP eclipsed at Westminster, Davey is able to challenge Labour from the centre-left on everything from social care through standing up against Trump. So the LDs become attractive to moderate Tories appalled at the Tories vying to be more extreme than Reform and also attractive to Labour folk unhappy at the government's timidity and triangulation.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 73,777

    I’m struggling with the idea that Green and Lib Dem voters are going to vote against Labour.

    I suggest a visit to Dearborn, Michigan.

    Also let me introduce you to Big John Owls.
    Gosh. You must be annoyed with Horse.
  • SandraMcSandraMc Posts: 738
    Re: Eurovision. I enjoy a bit of camp but I found it quite sleazy last year. Too much bondage gear and I seem to remember bare bottoms on display.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 73,777
    SandraMc said:

    Re: Eurovision. I enjoy a bit of camp but I found it quite sleazy last year. Too much bondage gear and I seem to remember bare bottoms on display.

    Complete arses on display? Hardly an unusual feature of a Eurovision.
  • algarkirkalgarkirk Posts: 14,254
    tpfkar said:

    I’m struggling with the idea that Green and Lib Dem voters are going to vote against Labour.

    They're virtue signalling. Come the GE, plenty will return to Labour to keep the ReFukkers and Tories out.
    I voted tactically for Labour last year. Until this week, if it looked like Reform vs Labour at the next GE, I reckon I'd have found a way to hold my nose and do the same. After this week, especially Island of Strangers which felt as much an attack on our family as anything else, no chance.

    I'm sure I'm unusual (not least as I'm posting here) but if I'm not, Labour are in trouble indeed.
    On current trajectory the next election, at least in England, will be some version of Reform v Everyone Else, with by then Tories splitting to join the Reform camp or the Everyone Else camp; or ceasing to matter at all.

    Very large numbers of people will vote along the lines of that binary division, with massive effort going into making it a uniquely tactical election. LDs have the most to gain. Tories already lost it, so Labour have most still to lose.

    Bet according. DYOR. Shares can go down as well as up.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 62,989

    Told someone at work yesterday I planned to watch this tonight, and he looked at me like I was a bit... y'know.

    I said, come on: the Polish washerwomen.

    Why are you planning to watch it?
    1
    I find it funny
    Each to their own.
    It's a chance to laugh at all the Europeans.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 62,989
    SandraMc said:

    Re: Eurovision. I enjoy a bit of camp but I found it quite sleazy last year. Too much bondage gear and I seem to remember bare bottoms on display.

    Yeah, it was a bit much: camp, not cottaging please.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 51,434

    Told someone at work yesterday I planned to watch this tonight, and he looked at me like I was a bit... y'know.

    I said, come on: the Polish washerwomen.

    Why are you planning to watch it?
    1
    I find it funny
    Each to their own.
    It's a chance to laugh at all the Europeans.
    They should bring back Eurotrash.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 73,777
    FF43 said:

    MattW said:

    Having read the header, today needs an intellectual upgrade, so here's my question.

    Which 4 celebrities (plus reserve) from The Traitors UK (whatever that is) would you like to have with you for lunch?

    Andy_JS said:


    A) - Alan Carr – Comedian
    B ) - Cat Burns – Singer/Songwriter
    C) - Celia Imrie – Actor
    D) - Charlotte Church – Singer/Activist
    E) - Clare Balding – Broadcaster and Author
    F) - David Olusoga – Historian and Filmmaker
    G) - Joe Marler – Former England Rugby Player and Podcaster
    H) - Joe Wilkinson – Comedian
    I) - Jonathan Ross – Presenter
    J) - Kate Garraway – Broadcaster
    K) - Lucy Beaumont – Comedian
    L) - Mark Bonnar – Actor
    M) - Nick Mohammed – Actor and Comedian
    N) - Niko Omilana – Content Creator
    O) - Paloma Faith – Singer/Songwriter and Actor
    P) - Ruth Codd – Actor
    R) - Stephen Fry – Actor, Writer, Presenter
    S) - Tameka Empson – Actor and Comedian
    T) - Tom Daley – Olympian, Author, Broadcaster and Entrepreneur"

    https://dvd-fever.co.uk/the-celebrity-traitors-announced-for-2025-on-bbc1/

    I'm with Celia Imrie, Kate Garraway, Clare Balding and Tom Daley. My reserve is probably Alan Carr.

    There are two or three I would relocate to St Helena.
    Alan Carr, David Olusoga (I could teach him a few things about history), Stephen Fry, and Celia Imrie.
    Wasn't it Charles Clarke as EdSec who said historians were fine as ornaments but the public should not have to pay?
    History never repeats itself, but historians do all the time.
    I never repeat myself.

    I don't know why I don't repeat myself, I just never repeat myself.
  • We’re predicting how the cards will fall in an election a year after the last one.

    It was truly crazy for me to predict a Labour victory at the height of Johnson’s time but it just shows how much can change.

    I don’t underrate Sir Keir.
  • tpfkartpfkar Posts: 1,573
    algarkirk said:

    tpfkar said:

    I’m struggling with the idea that Green and Lib Dem voters are going to vote against Labour.

    They're virtue signalling. Come the GE, plenty will return to Labour to keep the ReFukkers and Tories out.
    I voted tactically for Labour last year. Until this week, if it looked like Reform vs Labour at the next GE, I reckon I'd have found a way to hold my nose and do the same. After this week, especially Island of Strangers which felt as much an attack on our family as anything else, no chance.

    I'm sure I'm unusual (not least as I'm posting here) but if I'm not, Labour are in trouble indeed.
    On current trajectory the next election, at least in England, will be some version of Reform v Everyone Else, with by then Tories splitting to join the Reform camp or the Everyone Else camp; or ceasing to matter at all.

    Very large numbers of people will vote along the lines of that binary division, with massive effort going into making it a uniquely tactical election. LDs have the most to gain. Tories already lost it, so Labour have most still to lose.

    Bet according. DYOR. Shares can go down as well as up.
    I can't see it. You're suggesting that Labour and Conservative voters would switch to the other to block Reform. German Gro-Ko style perhaps but I can't see it here - Reform aren't established enough to drive that level of change in 1 parliament, and the emnity between Lab and Con ain't going anywhere fast.

    More likely to me is that the votes split everywhere and 30% becomes enough to win many seats, with voters having to guess who's in play in their area. I agree the LDs have plenty to gain in that scenario, but they don't have many second places and don't have the muscle to break into weak areas the way Reform do.
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 22,846
    In Europe, but not won by Europe.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 27,166
    edited May 17
    Reform Councillor news

    Leicestershire (Loughborough): A Reform Councillor is a former police officer sacked in Jan 2024 for misconduct / dishonesty / breach of professional standards - around running a second business undermining his police duties. If he was still a policeman he could not be a Councillor under "politically restricted job" criteria. The campaign was around integrity and principles.
    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/andrew-hamilton-gray-reform-councillor-sacked-leicestershire-police-spain-b2750701.html

    Gloucs: Reform councillors say they want help and advice on how to do the job.
    https://www.gloucestershirelive.co.uk/news/gloucester-news/reform-councillors-say-want-help-10183571

    (Narrator: I give the second group credit for taking their roles seriously.)
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 55,242
    https://www.ft.com/content/87330ba3-d6fe-4532-a98e-697911877815

    The EU is preparing to apply much higher tariffs on Ukrainian imports within weeks, hitting Kyiv’s economy at a crucial time in its fight against Russian aggression.

    The decision to abruptly end special trade arrangements — which allowed most Ukrainian goods to enter the EU duty free — came after Poland led a push to protect the bloc’s farmers, according to diplomats. 
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 45,087
    IanB2 said:

    algarkirk said:

    TimS said:

    FPT:

    Foxy said:
    Well it looks as if Starmers relaunch as Reform-lite is working as some of us predicted:

    https://bsky.app/profile/yougov.co.uk/post/3lpbk6a32b22u
    My shamelessly partisan take on these numbers:

    Ed Davey is not only substantially more popular on net ratings than any of the others (unless you count Carla Denyer who has a 75% “don’t know”), but

    - he is up since the election, almost unknown for a Lib Dem
    - He is up *24%* with 2024 Tory voters since the last election. The biggest upward movement of any politician with any voter group. His net rating with that group is better than all the other leaders’ national ratings

    That tells me those 2024 Tories who don’t have the taste for Farage are poised to switch in large numbers to the yellow peril.

    Yes. It's all relative change. It seems to me (perhaps I have not been paying attention) that the LDs don't clearly stand for much that is very distinctive except that they are not Reform and not the parties tarnished by governing.

    This may be enough for now to progress towards a possible outcome that by 2029 there will be two main camps rather than two main parties. One camp is Reform; the other camp is everyone else (Scotland, Wales and NI are different). And the rule will be simple: Everyone who is going to vote in England will either vote Reform or anti-Reform.

    This could give tactical voting, Bar Charts, 'Winning here' and 'One More heave' a completely new lease of life, shifting LD hopes from 100 seats max to being a national party. 'The only party that isn't Reform, isn't actually certifiable and hasn't trashed the country'. Yet.
    The political cards have fallen well for the LibDems; Reform is pulling all the other parties over to the right, and with the SNP eclipsed at Westminster, Davey is able to challenge Labour from the centre-left on everything from social care through standing up against Trump. So the LDs become attractive to moderate Tories appalled at the Tories vying to be more extreme than Reform and also attractive to Labour folk unhappy at the government's timidity and triangulation.
    44 for largest party now. Coming in all the time.
  • FF43FF43 Posts: 17,944
    ydoethur said:

    FF43 said:

    MattW said:

    Having read the header, today needs an intellectual upgrade, so here's my question.

    Which 4 celebrities (plus reserve) from The Traitors UK (whatever that is) would you like to have with you for lunch?

    Andy_JS said:


    A) - Alan Carr – Comedian
    B ) - Cat Burns – Singer/Songwriter
    C) - Celia Imrie – Actor
    D) - Charlotte Church – Singer/Activist
    E) - Clare Balding – Broadcaster and Author
    F) - David Olusoga – Historian and Filmmaker
    G) - Joe Marler – Former England Rugby Player and Podcaster
    H) - Joe Wilkinson – Comedian
    I) - Jonathan Ross – Presenter
    J) - Kate Garraway – Broadcaster
    K) - Lucy Beaumont – Comedian
    L) - Mark Bonnar – Actor
    M) - Nick Mohammed – Actor and Comedian
    N) - Niko Omilana – Content Creator
    O) - Paloma Faith – Singer/Songwriter and Actor
    P) - Ruth Codd – Actor
    R) - Stephen Fry – Actor, Writer, Presenter
    S) - Tameka Empson – Actor and Comedian
    T) - Tom Daley – Olympian, Author, Broadcaster and Entrepreneur"

    https://dvd-fever.co.uk/the-celebrity-traitors-announced-for-2025-on-bbc1/

    I'm with Celia Imrie, Kate Garraway, Clare Balding and Tom Daley. My reserve is probably Alan Carr.

    There are two or three I would relocate to St Helena.
    Alan Carr, David Olusoga (I could teach him a few things about history), Stephen Fry, and Celia Imrie.
    Wasn't it Charles Clarke as EdSec who said historians were fine as ornaments but the public should not have to pay?
    History never repeats itself, but historians do all the time.
    I never repeat myself.

    I don't know why I don't repeat myself, I just never repeat myself.
    I repeated the joke but I think I got away with it.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 73,777
    kinabalu said:

    IanB2 said:

    algarkirk said:

    TimS said:

    FPT:

    Foxy said:
    Well it looks as if Starmers relaunch as Reform-lite is working as some of us predicted:

    https://bsky.app/profile/yougov.co.uk/post/3lpbk6a32b22u
    My shamelessly partisan take on these numbers:

    Ed Davey is not only substantially more popular on net ratings than any of the others (unless you count Carla Denyer who has a 75% “don’t know”), but

    - he is up since the election, almost unknown for a Lib Dem
    - He is up *24%* with 2024 Tory voters since the last election. The biggest upward movement of any politician with any voter group. His net rating with that group is better than all the other leaders’ national ratings

    That tells me those 2024 Tories who don’t have the taste for Farage are poised to switch in large numbers to the yellow peril.

    Yes. It's all relative change. It seems to me (perhaps I have not been paying attention) that the LDs don't clearly stand for much that is very distinctive except that they are not Reform and not the parties tarnished by governing.

    This may be enough for now to progress towards a possible outcome that by 2029 there will be two main camps rather than two main parties. One camp is Reform; the other camp is everyone else (Scotland, Wales and NI are different). And the rule will be simple: Everyone who is going to vote in England will either vote Reform or anti-Reform.

    This could give tactical voting, Bar Charts, 'Winning here' and 'One More heave' a completely new lease of life, shifting LD hopes from 100 seats max to being a national party. 'The only party that isn't Reform, isn't actually certifiable and hasn't trashed the country'. Yet.
    The political cards have fallen well for the LibDems; Reform is pulling all the other parties over to the right, and with the SNP eclipsed at Westminster, Davey is able to challenge Labour from the centre-left on everything from social care through standing up against Trump. So the LDs become attractive to moderate Tories appalled at the Tories vying to be more extreme than Reform and also attractive to Labour folk unhappy at the government's timidity and triangulation.
    44 for largest party now. Coming in all the time.
    If after the next election they're the largest party with 44 then we're looking at some truly epic political fragmentation.
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