In February 2025 Trump had a 99% approval rating – politicalbetting.com
In light of polls showing him as the most unpopular president at the 100-day mark in 80 years, Trump this morning shared a CPAC poll from February that says he has 99% approval. Desperate stuff
I understand Starmer is about to do his best Farage impression at a press conference at 8.30am
I agree with Sam Coates who says Starmer's problem is that while he chases Reform votes he actually is running a greater risk of Labour supporters defecting to the Lib Dems and Greens and he cannot outdo Farage on this subject
Coates also says Starmer will not confirm a cap on numbers and will be asked ad infinitum why
I missed these McLaughlin & Associates polls in February but a reminder that some American pollsters are like jockstraps, full of bollocks. John McLaughlin is Donald Trump’s private pollster. We should be grateful for the British Polling Council.
McLaughlin is an Ok pollster & their polls are part of Nate Silver's averages.
Their "official" poll for Trump's Approval among US Registered Voters is currently 48% approval, 52% disapproval. In February 2025, they had a poll of US Likely Voters which had Trump at 51% approval, 46% disappoval.
I think the poll that Trump has posted could have been a special poll of CPAC Attendees. They would, of course, have given Trump 99% approval. It would be like doing a poll of Xi's approval among the attendees of the Communist Party Congress.
I understand Starmer is about to do his best Farage impression at a press conference at 8.30am
I agree with Sam Coates who says Starmer's problem is that while he chases Reform votes he actually is running a greater risk of Labour supporters defecting to the Lib Dems and Greens and he cannot outdo Farage on this subject
Coates also says Starmer will not confirm a cap on numbers and will be asked ad infinitum why
Agree on the left - they need to be careful about how far they go, and the language used.
As for the cap, you'd hope that journalists would have learnt after the last 14 years that having a cap means nothing. That haven't of course.
There is no deep mystery to who Keir Starmer is or what he believes. Despite the efforts of his aides to construct another – more electorally viable – persona, he really is just a middle-class, liberal, human-rights lawyer from North London. Stopping the boats requires action that to him is anathema.
Smashing the gangs, even if it were operationally viable, is self-evidently not going to be enough.
What’s needed is someone with the political vision, will and empathy to instinctively grasp the concern of working people over the ongoing migrant influx.
Someone who is prepared to introduce immigration policies that are not liberal, but are – on the contrary – overtly illiberal.
Someone prepared to confront with passion and energy the human-rights industry that is itself profiting from the trafficking in human misery.
Keir Starmer is not that man. And everyone knows it.
By pretending the Government’s new White Paper is the answer to the immigration crisis, the Prime Minister is taking the British people for fools. And in the process, he is trying to fool himself.
I understand Starmer is about to do his best Farage impression at a press conference at 8.30am
I agree with Sam Coates who says Starmer's problem is that while he chases Reform votes he actually is running a greater risk of Labour supporters defecting to the Lib Dems and Greens and he cannot outdo Farage on this subject
Coates also says Starmer will not confirm a cap on numbers and will be asked ad infinitum why
The next GE is not for another three or four years. Which is more than enough time for these policies to bed down and be supplemented with red meat for the traditional Labour voter.
Starmer's problem, as ever, is that he is a crummy communicator. So are most of his front bench.
I understand Starmer is about to do his best Farage impression at a press conference at 8.30am
I agree with Sam Coates who says Starmer's problem is that while he chases Reform votes he actually is running a greater risk of Labour supporters defecting to the Lib Dems and Greens and he cannot outdo Farage on this subject
Coates also says Starmer will not confirm a cap on numbers and will be asked ad infinitum why
The next GE is not for another three or four years. Which is more than enough time for these policies to bed down and be supplemented with red meat for the traditional Labour voter.
Starmer's problem, as ever, is that he is a crummy communicator. So are most of his front bench.
It is a white paper so goodness knows when any of it will start to be implemented
I understand Starmer is about to do his best Farage impression at a press conference at 8.30am
I agree with Sam Coates who says Starmer's problem is that while he chases Reform votes he actually is running a greater risk of Labour supporters defecting to the Lib Dems and Greens and he cannot outdo Farage on this subject
Coates also says Starmer will not confirm a cap on numbers and will be asked ad infinitum why
The next GE is not for another three or four years. Which is more than enough time for these policies to bed down and be supplemented with red meat for the traditional Labour voter.
Starmer's problem, as ever, is that he is a crummy communicator. So are most of his front bench.
He’s just not himself so he doesn’t come across as genuine. Even his tweets are weird
There doesn't appear to have been any previous discussion here about the Hamilton, Larkhall and Stonehouse Scottish Parliament byelection on 5 June 2025, so I'm posting my thoughts below.
I've put a small $50 bet on Reform winning the byelection at odds of 11.0
At the 2021 election, the constituency votes were SNP 46%, Lab 34%, Cons 18%, LD 3% (only 4 candidates stood for the constituency). The regional votes were SNP 41%, Lab 25%, Cons 22%, Lib Dem 2%, Greens 5%, Others 5%.
There is a large field of 10 candidates for the byelection, so possibly, the 2025 byelection votes might be closer to the regional 2021 votes, meaning part of Labour vote getting spread between Greens & others.
Reform have been making rapid gains in the opinion polls for the next Scottish Parliament election, and the most recent Survation poll from 2-5 May puts them at 19%. It's possible that by June, they may be even higher than 19%. The SNP meanwhile has been on a downward trajectory from the 48% constituency vote in 2021 to 33% currently. ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opinion_polling_for_the_next_Scottish_Parliament_election )
I think it's possible that Reform could pull off another result similar to Runcorn & outperform both SNP & Labour in a byelection. It could even be easier compared to Runcorn, if the "anti-Reform" vote is split between SNP & Labour.
Reading this news article in the Daily Record, I struck by this comment from the Reform candidate. He clearly "gets it" in terms of appealing to potential Reform voters unhappy about the UK's decline:
"Visiting Hamilton with Councillor Kerr, [Reform candidate Ross Lambie] showed closed shops along Quarry Street plus the prominent former Marks & Spencer unit in the Regent Centre plus the long-vacant Bairds department store, saying the latter “stands as one of many neglected eyesores in our town centre. Why did the SNP vote against spending the money to save it?"
"The next Scottish challenge for Reform is the Hamilton, Stonehouse & Larkhall Holyrood by-election on 5 June. Farage is expected to campaign in the constituency and may well end up in a pub – he usually does – but this time he won’t have to hide. He might not be everyone’s cup of tea, but I still suspect he’ll still be bought a few pints."
A more scientific test of the national mood will arrive in the shape of the upcoming Hamilton, Larkhall and Stonehouse constituency Holyrood by-election, following the death of SNP MSP Christina McKelvie. A year out from a Holyrood election, Labour should expect comfortably to win this Lanarkshire seat, traditionally part of its Scottish heartlands. Indeed, it completed a rout of west central Scotland in the general election.
However, one pollster who has carried out focus groups in the constituency predicts an SNP hold. People were “pissed off” with Labour over issues such as the winter fuel payment and felt it hadn’t provided much, if any, improvement on the last Tory government. They weren’t particularly impressed by the SNP either, but anger was reserved for Labour. Reform seems likely to come a competitive third.
The interesting thing to me is that the presumably SNP-aligned anonymous pollster is admitting that people aren't "particularly impressed by the SNP either". And also admitting that he's finding significant support for Reform in his focus groups.
If Scottish voters are really angry at Labour & not impressed with nearly two decades of SNP rule, then they could turn to Reform in significant numbers.
I understand Starmer is about to do his best Farage impression at a press conference at 8.30am
I agree with Sam Coates who says Starmer's problem is that while he chases Reform votes he actually is running a greater risk of Labour supporters defecting to the Lib Dems and Greens and he cannot outdo Farage on this subject
Coates also says Starmer will not confirm a cap on numbers and will be asked ad infinitum why
The next GE is not for another three or four years. Which is more than enough time for these policies to bed down and be supplemented with red meat for the traditional Labour voter.
Starmer's problem, as ever, is that he is a crummy communicator. So are most of his front bench.
Only going to be 3 if Starmer or his successor has a healthy polling lead.
First reaction to Starmer this morning: his migration statement is obviously a reaction to Reform doing well rather than the self evident consequence of Labour's core moral mission. So his presentation - as if all this is just how socialism works - is hollow indeed. If this had been in the first month after 4th July it would be different.
But it illustrates the glaring difficulty of not having a plan, and not leading on issues.
I understand Starmer is about to do his best Farage impression at a press conference at 8.30am
I agree with Sam Coates who says Starmer's problem is that while he chases Reform votes he actually is running a greater risk of Labour supporters defecting to the Lib Dems and Greens and he cannot outdo Farage on this subject
Coates also says Starmer will not confirm a cap on numbers and will be asked ad infinitum why
The next GE is not for another three or four years. Which is more than enough time for these policies to bed down and be supplemented with red meat for the traditional Labour voter.
Starmer's problem, as ever, is that he is a crummy communicator. So are most of his front bench.
It is a white paper so goodness knows when any of it will start to be implemented
(((Dan Hodges))) @DPJHodges · 7m Strong, powerful speech from Keir Starmer. And a speech that is politically insane. None of the measures announced today can possibly match the rhetoric. Every single small boat that arrives and every new migrant that arrives will be set against these words. Madness.
I’m guessing that we don’t have number of respondents, or classification?
With the data they have provided it could be “members of the Trump family”. Although I suspect their disapproval rate would have been higher…
Almost certainly it's Donald Trump himself, polled 100 times, and getting it wrong once. Though I think he must have had close supervision to keep the error rate so low.
(((Dan Hodges))) @DPJHodges · 7m Strong, powerful speech from Keir Starmer. And a speech that is politically insane. None of the measures announced today can possibly match the rhetoric. Every single small boat that arrives and every new migrant that arrives will be set against these words. Madness.
Actually it isn’t, it’s very clever.
Immigration is going to fall due to the reforms of the last government and Starmer’s going to get the credit.
Keir Starmer denies pushing anti-migrant policies in order to chase Reform, saying that "I'm doing this because it is right, because it is fair and because it is what I believe".
A reminder of what he said he believed when he was running for Labour leader.
(((Dan Hodges))) @DPJHodges · 7m Strong, powerful speech from Keir Starmer. And a speech that is politically insane. None of the measures announced today can possibly match the rhetoric. Every single small boat that arrives and every new migrant that arrives will be set against these words. Madness.
Actually it isn’t, it’s very clever.
Immigration is going to fall due to the reforms of the last government and Starmer’s going to get the credit.
The public don’t do post hoc ergo proptor hoc..
The next annual immigration figures are out next month, aren't they? This is clever timing then. He talks tough this month. Next month, the numbers show a big drop.
(((Dan Hodges))) @DPJHodges · 7m Strong, powerful speech from Keir Starmer. And a speech that is politically insane. None of the measures announced today can possibly match the rhetoric. Every single small boat that arrives and every new migrant that arrives will be set against these words. Madness.
Actually it isn’t, it’s very clever.
Immigration is going to fall due to the reforms of the last government and Starmer’s going to get the credit.
The public don’t do post hoc ergo proptor hoc..
What I don’t get is why immigration levels should only drop gradually from the 900,000 Boris wave. Surely they should fall off a cliff? If the Boris wave was a one off, there’s no need for last year to be 700,000 or this year to be any more than 200,000.
It is worth noting that whilst getting 99%, the axis goes to 120%.
Things that make you go "Hmmmm......".
That is absolutely right. As we know, Polls are used as a weapon in the US- unexpected findings that lead to new talking points and get otherwise non-mainstream ideas onto the political agenda. It is messy and it allows questionable ideas a hearing that they probably wouldn´t get otherwise.
However, are we so sure that this "poll fixing" is not a feature in Britain too? By which I do not mean to question the methodology of the pollsters, which we definitely should do in the US- this example is only the most egregious-but rather how even independent polls could be manipulated by inside information as to where and how the polls get taken.
Polls have acquired a dangerous significance in our system: with alleged popularity taking precedence over principles, and we have certainly seen that political decision taking is often based on polls alone. I can not be alone in finding this uncomfortable- good policy is subordinated to poll driven political expediency. Certainly it is not beyond the subversion teams of Russia to put out talking points through allied or "useful idiot" media and then back this up with manipulated poll findings. Indeed I would be surprised if this had *not* happened. Therefore I tend to be a bit more sceptical on polls in general. After all, even with the best will in the world, they can often be wildly out of line with the real world results.
(((Dan Hodges))) @DPJHodges · 7m Strong, powerful speech from Keir Starmer. And a speech that is politically insane. None of the measures announced today can possibly match the rhetoric. Every single small boat that arrives and every new migrant that arrives will be set against these words. Madness.
Actually it isn’t, it’s very clever.
Immigration is going to fall due to the reforms of the last government and Starmer’s going to get the credit.
The public don’t do post hoc ergo proptor hoc..
The next annual immigration figures are out next month, aren't they? This is clever timing then. He talks tough this month. Next month, the numbers show a big drop.
Yeah, everywhere going to think what he said this morning stopped people coming last year. Clever
There is no deep mystery to who Keir Starmer is or what he believes. Despite the efforts of his aides to construct another – more electorally viable – persona, he really is just a middle-class, liberal, human-rights lawyer from North London. Stopping the boats requires action that to him is anathema.
Smashing the gangs, even if it were operationally viable, is self-evidently not going to be enough.
What’s needed is someone with the political vision, will and empathy to instinctively grasp the concern of working people over the ongoing migrant influx.
Someone who is prepared to introduce immigration policies that are not liberal, but are – on the contrary – overtly illiberal.
Someone prepared to confront with passion and energy the human-rights industry that is itself profiting from the trafficking in human misery.
Keir Starmer is not that man. And everyone knows it.
By pretending the Government’s new White Paper is the answer to the immigration crisis, the Prime Minister is taking the British people for fools. And in the process, he is trying to fool himself.
Dan Hodges portraying the Daily Mail, and presumably Farage, as humanitarians. That sounds abotu like Trump and Vance's "millions of people dying in Ukraine", whilst forgetting about the 10s of thousands of stolen children being brought up in Russia, and the consequences of a despot and a Dictator carving up a European country.
Meanwhile, more and more desperate people will die beneath the cold waters of the Channel. And the social fabric of the nation will continue to be rent asunder as another establishment politician’s promise turns to dust. ... An economic strategy that doesn’t rely on the failed model of globalisation that has seen hundreds of thousands of those workers thrown to the wolves. Instead, the people of Britain must brace themselves for another stab in the back.
Do Mr Hodges and the Mail have a alternative economic strategy?
(((Dan Hodges))) @DPJHodges · 7m Strong, powerful speech from Keir Starmer. And a speech that is politically insane. None of the measures announced today can possibly match the rhetoric. Every single small boat that arrives and every new migrant that arrives will be set against these words. Madness.
Actually it isn’t, it’s very clever.
Immigration is going to fall due to the reforms of the last government and Starmer’s going to get the credit.
The public don’t do post hoc ergo proptor hoc..
The next annual immigration figures are out next month, aren't they? This is clever timing then. He talks tough this month. Next month, the numbers show a big drop.
Yeah, everywhere going to think what he said this morning stopped people coming last year. Clever
All the opposition have spent the last 9 months blaming him for things that happened, or were caused by, events from before he came to power - so why not?
Net migration will fall significantly . It’s impossible for it not to given the changes made by the last government. As for Reforms zero net migration . It’s absolute nonsense and totally unworkable.
Net migration will fall significantly . It’s impossible for it not to given the changes made by the last government. As for Reforms zero net migration . It’s absolute nonsense and totally unworkable.
The bigger factors in the fall in net migration are nothing to do with the previous or current government: the Ukraine and Hong Kong numbers are down, and overseas student numbers are down because of factors in students' home countries.
Net migration will fall significantly . It’s impossible for it not to given the changes made by the last government. As for Reforms zero net migration . It’s absolute nonsense and totally unworkable.
That's a hostage to fortune because net migration could go negative under the present government.
Net migration will fall significantly . It’s impossible for it not to given the changes made by the last government. As for Reforms zero net migration . It’s absolute nonsense and totally unworkable.
The bigger factors in the fall in net migration are nothing to do with the previous or current government: the Ukraine and Hong Kong numbers are down, and overseas student numbers are down because of factors in students' home countries.
There’s also been a tightening up on the more ridiculous kinds of fraudulent “colleges” - though plenty are still operating.
Shows how far the public has moved - and how late the political class has been to waking up to it - that just a year or two ago any minister using the phrase “island of strangers” would be accused of being racist, a throwback, fascist etc… with Labour MPs hurling the insults.
Regarding the small boats, if we can't send folk back to France (from where they are "fleeing"), then isn't the best option to just ignore them? Let people disappear into the black economy, living in "sheds with beds". Later, when they get discovered working illegally, then deport them.
Better than giving them a red carpet welcome and putting them up in hotels for months on end.
Reassurance at least that some of the negative feedback on the crazy, globally damaging start to the presidency is getting through
S&P500 now 5750. All of the money I ‘lost’ on my small portfolio of stocks in April I’ve made back.
Only potential problem for Trump is the Bond market.
There are a few possible problems with that:
1 - The 6-8 week delay on the impacts of Trump's "choke off China trade" tariffs causing goods not to arrive (plus there are stockpiles, and warhouses in the USA are full.) Trump's China tariffs went to 145% in April week 2. We don't know the impact yet.
2 - The impact when that hits the US consumer.
3 - President Chump's belief in tariffs is what we could call theological, in political parlance.
4 - He has a couple of weeks to resolve it, and is currently backing off in stages. But everything is a random walk.
(((Dan Hodges))) @DPJHodges · 7m Strong, powerful speech from Keir Starmer. And a speech that is politically insane. None of the measures announced today can possibly match the rhetoric. Every single small boat that arrives and every new migrant that arrives will be set against these words. Madness.
Actually it isn’t, it’s very clever.
Immigration is going to fall due to the reforms of the last government and Starmer’s going to get the credit.
The public don’t do post hoc ergo proptor hoc..
People don't vote based on official government statistics. They vote based on their lived experience.
Their lived experience right now is of watching a continuous & increasing stream of boats crossing the Channel, with the boat arrivals then being put up in hotels.
The Dan Hodges article mentions that boat arrivals are up 40% year-on-year. This trend of exponential growth will continue as long as the people thinking of crossing feel that there is some chance that they will be granted a refugee visa.
It doesn't matter if Starmer slightly tightens the rules, and now 40% will be accepted instead of 60%. As long as people have a significantly higher than non-zero chance of being given a refugee visa then they will gamble on making a crossing.
And so, Starmer can point at official migration statistics as much as he wants. It won't do him any good as long people can see a stream of boat arrivals on their TV screens.
(((Dan Hodges))) @DPJHodges · 7m Strong, powerful speech from Keir Starmer. And a speech that is politically insane. None of the measures announced today can possibly match the rhetoric. Every single small boat that arrives and every new migrant that arrives will be set against these words. Madness.
Actually it isn’t, it’s very clever.
Immigration is going to fall due to the reforms of the last government and Starmer’s going to get the credit.
The public don’t do post hoc ergo proptor hoc..
The public also don't do gratitude on second order derivatives.
A fall in the rate of inflation did no favours for Sunak as prices were still high and rising, even if they were rising at a slower rate.
How many people who are concerned by the number of immigrants in the country are going to be grateful that they're still increasing, but at a slower rate?
This is an interesting short Youtube item about a ship travelling from China to the USA, which ended up with different tariffs on different parts of its cargo as Trump played his policy hopscotch. A study in instablity.
A $564m cargo ended up with $416m of tariffs on it, much imposed whilst it was in transit.
Interestingly Starmer didn’t answer the question on an EU youth mobile scheme .
I expect the scheme will end up being only for 1 year which means it won’t end up in the immigration figures . Also rumours that the UK might go back into the Erasmus scheme.
It’s possible that the UK might go further with the trade aspects of the EU reset as this would help growth which gets calculated in the ONS forecasts and help Reeves .
Net migration will fall significantly . It’s impossible for it not to given the changes made by the last government. As for Reforms zero net migration . It’s absolute nonsense and totally unworkable.
Its totally workable, its what we had for most of the late 20th Century.
Its a bad idea, we should be seeking to attract, net, high-skilled migrants (not unskilled ones) - but its absolutely workable.
The IDF will be getting competition for their satirical 'Most Moral Army In The World' crown. Will we see poppy themed t-shirts saying 'I stand with Troopers XYZ and their entirely justified shooting of unarmed, handcuffed kids'?
easygoing48 @easygoing48 54m UK Special Forces committed war crimes in Iraq and Afghanistan.
"They handcuffed a young boy and shot him," recalled one veteran who served with the SAS in Afghanistan. "He was clearly a child, not even close to fighting age."
(((Dan Hodges))) @DPJHodges · 7m Strong, powerful speech from Keir Starmer. And a speech that is politically insane. None of the measures announced today can possibly match the rhetoric. Every single small boat that arrives and every new migrant that arrives will be set against these words. Madness.
Actually it isn’t, it’s very clever.
Immigration is going to fall due to the reforms of the last government and Starmer’s going to get the credit.
The public don’t do post hoc ergo proptor hoc..
The public also don't do gratitude on second order derivatives.
A fall in the rate of inflation did no favours for Sunak as prices were still high and rising, even if they were rising at a slower rate.
How many people who are concerned by the number of immigrants in the country are going to be grateful that they're still increasing, but at a slower rate?
As John Burn-Murdoch pointed out after the GE, once the public have made their mind up that they don’t like or trust a politician/party any more, credit for doing well is hard to come by
Britons have been feeling progressively more positive about the economy for almost two years now, but at no point did that feed into an increase in support for the government.
Voters had already made their mind up for the reasons shown below.
Shows how far the public has moved - and how late the political class has been to waking up to it - that just a year or two ago any minister using the phrase “island of strangers” would be accused of being racist, a throwback, fascist etc… with Labour MPs hurling the insults.
Regarding the small boats, if we can't send folk back to France (from where they are "fleeing"), then isn't the best option to just ignore them? Let people disappear into the black economy, living in "sheds with beds". Later, when they get discovered working illegally, then deport them.
Better than giving them a red carpet welcome and putting them up in hotels for months on end.
That would require us to pull out of international conventions on asylum, which were set up because of the failures in the 1930s to provide refuge to Jews fleeing Germany and because of the pressures caused by the disruption to populations after World War II.
The problem with immigration isn't immigration, it's the immigrants (or some of them). We all know this, we don't say it out loud because we don't want to be called names but that's the fundamental issue.
People like People like Themselves - once you get that, social, cultural and immigration politics falls into place. It cuts across economic politics which doesn't care about any of that and sees people as drones and that's the battleground between those who prefer if not a uniculturalist Britain then a Britain in which they feel comfortable and those for whom economic growth is the prerequisite for prosperity and are if not blind to then indifferent to the social and cultural impact of unrestricted immigration.
Trying to square that circle is at the core of modern politics - if you can get some of the nine million economically inactive into work perhaps you can generate growth but that also means making work economically advantageous or at the very least not making it disadvantageous and that in turn means taking a long hard work at the tax and benefit system but also incentivising or cajoling firms to employ carers or those with long term physical and mental disabilities.
That's the "internal" solution - the "external" solution is about importing more labour to fill shortages and generate more wealth. The quick and dirty response (arguably) is the latter - the former means doing the hard yards but is probably more sustainable in the medium and longer term.
Regarding the small boats, if we can't send folk back to France (from where they are "fleeing"), then isn't the best option to just ignore them? Let people disappear into the black economy, living in "sheds with beds". Later, when they get discovered working illegally, then deport them.
Better than giving them a red carpet welcome and putting them up in hotels for months on end.
That would require us to pull out of international conventions on asylum, which were set up because of the failures in the 1930s to provide refuge to Jews fleeing Germany and because of the pressures caused by the disruption to populations after World War II.
Why are the asylum seekers living in camps in Calais prior to heading over ?
People don't vote based on official government statistics. They vote based on their lived experience.
Their lived experience right now is of watching a continuous & increasing stream of boats crossing the Channel, with the boat arrivals then being put up in hotels.
The vast majority of people in the country don't have any lived experience of people crossing the Channel in small boats. They don't see them crossing or landing. They don't encounter them in their day-to-day life.
Rather, their experience of boat crossings is vicarious: it's from the media and social media. Those coming over in boats are convenient scapegoats for whatever they are unhappy about.
Official government statistics will be reported in the media and have some penetration on social media, so they can have some impact.
(((Dan Hodges))) @DPJHodges · 7m Strong, powerful speech from Keir Starmer. And a speech that is politically insane. None of the measures announced today can possibly match the rhetoric. Every single small boat that arrives and every new migrant that arrives will be set against these words. Madness.
Actually it isn’t, it’s very clever.
Immigration is going to fall due to the reforms of the last government and Starmer’s going to get the credit.
The public don’t do post hoc ergo proptor hoc..
The public also don't do gratitude on second order derivatives.
A fall in the rate of inflation did no favours for Sunak as prices were still high and rising, even if they were rising at a slower rate.
How many people who are concerned by the number of immigrants in the country are going to be grateful that they're still increasing, but at a slower rate?
We've often heard that people thought a fall in inflation meant a fall in prices, i.e. they interpret a second order derivative as a first order one. If that's the case, then they may interpret a fall in the rate of immigration as negative net immigration.
People don't vote based on official government statistics. They vote based on their lived experience.
Their lived experience right now is of watching a continuous & increasing stream of boats crossing the Channel, with the boat arrivals then being put up in hotels.
The vast majority of people in the country don't have any lived experience of people crossing the Channel in small boats. They don't see them crossing or landing. They don't encounter them in their day-to-day life.
Rather, their experience of boat crossings is vicarious: it's from the media and social media. Those coming over in boats are convenient scapegoats for whatever they are unhappy about.
Official government statistics will be reported in the media and have some penetration on social media, so they can have some impact.
Thankfully, Starmer has learned to ignore people like you.
People don't vote based on official government statistics. They vote based on their lived experience.
Their lived experience right now is of watching a continuous & increasing stream of boats crossing the Channel, with the boat arrivals then being put up in hotels.
The vast majority of people in the country don't have any lived experience of people crossing the Channel in small boats. They don't see them crossing or landing. They don't encounter them in their day-to-day life.
Rather, their experience of boat crossings is vicarious: it's from the media and social media. Those coming over in boats are convenient scapegoats for whatever they are unhappy about.
Official government statistics will be reported in the media and have some penetration on social media, so they can have some impact.
(((Dan Hodges))) @DPJHodges · 7m Strong, powerful speech from Keir Starmer. And a speech that is politically insane. None of the measures announced today can possibly match the rhetoric. Every single small boat that arrives and every new migrant that arrives will be set against these words. Madness.
Actually it isn’t, it’s very clever.
Immigration is going to fall due to the reforms of the last government and Starmer’s going to get the credit.
The public don’t do post hoc ergo proptor hoc..
The next annual immigration figures are out next month, aren't they? This is clever timing then. He talks tough this month. Next month, the numbers show a big drop.
Yeah, everywhere going to think what he said this morning stopped people coming last year. Clever
All the opposition have spent the last 9 months blaming him for things that happened, or were caused by, events from before he came to power - so why not?
Like the former PCSO in Kent being arrested by Police who misunderstood a tweet.
Quite how that’s the fault of SKS and Labour I don’t know.
The IDF will be getting competition for their satirical 'Most Moral Army In The World' crown. Will we see poppy themed t-shirts saying 'I stand with Troopers XYZ and their entirely justified shooting of unarmed, handcuffed kids'?
easygoing48 @easygoing48 54m UK Special Forces committed war crimes in Iraq and Afghanistan.
"They handcuffed a young boy and shot him," recalled one veteran who served with the SAS in Afghanistan. "He was clearly a child, not even close to fighting age."
Shows how far the public has moved - and how late the political class has been to waking up to it - that just a year or two ago any minister using the phrase “island of strangers” would be accused of being racist, a throwback, fascist etc… with Labour MPs hurling the insults.
Regarding the small boats, if we can't send folk back to France (from where they are "fleeing"), then isn't the best option to just ignore them? Let people disappear into the black economy, living in "sheds with beds". Later, when they get discovered working illegally, then deport them.
Better than giving them a red carpet welcome and putting them up in hotels for months on end.
That would require us to pull out of international conventions on asylum, which were set up because of the failures in the 1930s to provide refuge to Jews fleeing Germany and because of the pressures caused by the disruption to populations after World War II.
Why are the asylum seekers living in camps in Calais prior to heading over ?
Because France is a failed state. According to various international aid organisations, conditions for the migrants there are intolerable. If they can't even give the migrants pizza*.....
So France is a failed state, with oil.
We all know how that one goes, don't we, children?
*Despite the sexualised desires of some, the UK has consistently treated the boat people well. Including huge orders of pizza when they are taken off the boats that have rescued them. That some of the pizza has a certain topping....
People don't vote based on official government statistics. They vote based on their lived experience.
Their lived experience right now is of watching a continuous & increasing stream of boats crossing the Channel, with the boat arrivals then being put up in hotels.
The vast majority of people in the country don't have any lived experience of people crossing the Channel in small boats. They don't see them crossing or landing. They don't encounter them in their day-to-day life.
Rather, their experience of boat crossings is vicarious: it's from the media and social media. Those coming over in boats are convenient scapegoats for whatever they are unhappy about.
Official government statistics will be reported in the media and have some penetration on social media, so they can have some impact.
Thankfully, Starmer has learned to ignore people like you.
20 years too late, but hey ho.
People like me in what sense?
What is your lived experience of people who came over in small boats?
(((Dan Hodges))) @DPJHodges · 7m Strong, powerful speech from Keir Starmer. And a speech that is politically insane. None of the measures announced today can possibly match the rhetoric. Every single small boat that arrives and every new migrant that arrives will be set against these words. Madness.
Actually it isn’t, it’s very clever.
Immigration is going to fall due to the reforms of the last government and Starmer’s going to get the credit.
The public don’t do post hoc ergo proptor hoc..
What I don’t get is why immigration levels should only drop gradually from the 900,000 Boris wave. Surely they should fall off a cliff? If the Boris wave was a one off, there’s no need for last year to be 700,000 or this year to be any more than 200,000.
Yes. This seems to me an underexplored point. If for a few years vast numbers enter and remain in the UK, on the basis that they are there to work and a fortiori are younger rather than older - not all about to retire - why do we keep needing further people from outside, apart from a trickle of special cases, given the large cohort already there, and the UK produced school leavers and graduates all applying for jobs.
The IDF will be getting competition for their satirical 'Most Moral Army In The World' crown. Will we see poppy themed t-shirts saying 'I stand with Troopers XYZ and their entirely justified shooting of unarmed, handcuffed kids'?
easygoing48 @easygoing48 54m UK Special Forces committed war crimes in Iraq and Afghanistan.
"They handcuffed a young boy and shot him," recalled one veteran who served with the SAS in Afghanistan. "He was clearly a child, not even close to fighting age."
The notion that immigration can fill labour shortages is a fallacy that should have been tested to death now. It is the same "lump of labour" fallacy as claiming that immigrants "steal job" and cause unemployment.
Immigrants don't just add supply to the labour market, they add demand too. They don't have as much demand for dependencies as not typically retired (but may have/breed kids), but do increase demand for infrastructure, so its roughly balances.
All it does is ensure that firms can today fill a vacancy at a lower wage, but since demand goes up it just creates new vacancies and the circle continues. If it were possible to 'fill' vacancies with migration we'd have done it already, but its not possible.
The only thing that can make supply and demand balance is prices adjusting. If there's too many job vacancies then wages are too low - increase them, and let inefficient ones die unfilled. Productivity rises, and we reach equilibrium.
(((Dan Hodges))) @DPJHodges · 7m Strong, powerful speech from Keir Starmer. And a speech that is politically insane. None of the measures announced today can possibly match the rhetoric. Every single small boat that arrives and every new migrant that arrives will be set against these words. Madness.
Actually it isn’t, it’s very clever.
Immigration is going to fall due to the reforms of the last government and Starmer’s going to get the credit.
The public don’t do post hoc ergo proptor hoc..
The public also don't do gratitude on second order derivatives.
A fall in the rate of inflation did no favours for Sunak as prices were still high and rising, even if they were rising at a slower rate.
How many people who are concerned by the number of immigrants in the country are going to be grateful that they're still increasing, but at a slower rate?
We've often heard that people thought a fall in inflation meant a fall in prices, i.e. they interpret a second order derivative as a first order one. If that's the case, then they may interpret a fall in the rate of immigration as negative net immigration.
I think this was overplayed. I'm sure some people believe that about inflation, but it mostly seemed to be a smug point made by the condescending.
People don't vote based on official government statistics. They vote based on their lived experience.
Their lived experience right now is of watching a continuous & increasing stream of boats crossing the Channel, with the boat arrivals then being put up in hotels.
The vast majority of people in the country don't have any lived experience of people crossing the Channel in small boats. They don't see them crossing or landing. They don't encounter them in their day-to-day life.
Rather, their experience of boat crossings is vicarious: it's from the media and social media. Those coming over in boats are convenient scapegoats for whatever they are unhappy about.
Official government statistics will be reported in the media and have some penetration on social media, so they can have some impact.
Thankfully, Starmer has learned to ignore people like you.
20 years too late, but hey ho.
People like me in what sense?
What is your lived experience of people who came over in small boats?
My lived experience is that I have to read shite like this from people like you.
Regarding the small boats, if we can't send folk back to France (from where they are "fleeing"), then isn't the best option to just ignore them? Let people disappear into the black economy, living in "sheds with beds". Later, when they get discovered working illegally, then deport them.
Better than giving them a red carpet welcome and putting them up in hotels for months on end.
That would require us to pull out of international conventions on asylum, which were set up because of the failures in the 1930s to provide refuge to Jews fleeing Germany and because of the pressures caused by the disruption to populations after World War II.
Why are the asylum seekers living in camps in Calais prior to heading over ?
Because France is a failed state. According to various international aid organisations, conditions for the migrants there are intolerable. If they can't even give the migrants pizza*.....
So France is a failed state, with oil.
We all know how that one goes, don't we, children?
*Despite the sexualised desires of some, the UK has consistently treated the boat people well. Including huge orders of pizza when they are taken off the boats that have rescued them. That some of the pizza has a certain topping....
For some of them, the ham is likely to be the dealbreaker, not the pineapple...
The problem with immigration isn't immigration, it's the immigrants (or some of them). We all know this, we don't say it out loud because we don't want to be called names but that's the fundamental issue.
People like People like Themselves - once you get that, social, cultural and immigration politics falls into place. It cuts across economic politics which doesn't care about any of that and sees people as drones and that's the battleground between those who prefer if not a uniculturalist Britain then a Britain in which they feel comfortable and those for whom economic growth is the prerequisite for prosperity and are if not blind to then indifferent to the social and cultural impact of unrestricted immigration.
Trying to square that circle is at the core of modern politics - if you can get some of the nine million economically inactive into work perhaps you can generate growth but that also means making work economically advantageous or at the very least not making it disadvantageous and that in turn means taking a long hard work at the tax and benefit system but also incentivising or cajoling firms to employ carers or those with long term physical and mental disabilities.
That's the "internal" solution - the "external" solution is about importing more labour to fill shortages and generate more wealth. The quick and dirty response (arguably) is the latter - the former means doing the hard yards but is probably more sustainable in the medium and longer term.
People like People They Know. Plenty of studies show that people generally get on with and like people they know. They don't like people they don't know. This partly explains why areas with high immigration are much more chilled about immigration than areas with low immigration.
(((Dan Hodges))) @DPJHodges · 7m Strong, powerful speech from Keir Starmer. And a speech that is politically insane. None of the measures announced today can possibly match the rhetoric. Every single small boat that arrives and every new migrant that arrives will be set against these words. Madness.
Actually it isn’t, it’s very clever.
Immigration is going to fall due to the reforms of the last government and Starmer’s going to get the credit.
The public don’t do post hoc ergo proptor hoc..
The public also don't do gratitude on second order derivatives.
A fall in the rate of inflation did no favours for Sunak as prices were still high and rising, even if they were rising at a slower rate.
How many people who are concerned by the number of immigrants in the country are going to be grateful that they're still increasing, but at a slower rate?
We've often heard that people thought a fall in inflation meant a fall in prices, i.e. they interpret a second order derivative as a first order one. If that's the case, then they may interpret a fall in the rate of immigration as negative net immigration.
I think this was overplayed. I'm sure some people believe that about inflation, but it mostly seemed to be a smug point made by the condescending.
Your analogy holds, though, as far as it goes.
The bigger issue is that it "feels like" prices have gone up 40-50% over the last 3 years whilst wages have only gone up about 10-15%.
I've made those numbers up, but that's what it feels like, so people are understandably frustrated when they hear the cost of living crisis is abating.
(((Dan Hodges))) @DPJHodges · 7m Strong, powerful speech from Keir Starmer. And a speech that is politically insane. None of the measures announced today can possibly match the rhetoric. Every single small boat that arrives and every new migrant that arrives will be set against these words. Madness.
Actually it isn’t, it’s very clever.
Immigration is going to fall due to the reforms of the last government and Starmer’s going to get the credit.
The public don’t do post hoc ergo proptor hoc..
The public also don't do gratitude on second order derivatives.
A fall in the rate of inflation did no favours for Sunak as prices were still high and rising, even if they were rising at a slower rate.
How many people who are concerned by the number of immigrants in the country are going to be grateful that they're still increasing, but at a slower rate?
We've often heard that people thought a fall in inflation meant a fall in prices, i.e. they interpret a second order derivative as a first order one. If that's the case, then they may interpret a fall in the rate of immigration as negative net immigration.
Precisely.
The public don't understand second order derivatives and don't care to - but then again the politicians aren't much better, see talk on deficit/debt.
If net migration is still going up by hundreds of thousands per annum then I doubt many who are bothered by migration are going to say "yay, its going up at a slower rate, well done Starmer!"
Regarding the small boats, if we can't send folk back to France (from where they are "fleeing"), then isn't the best option to just ignore them? Let people disappear into the black economy, living in "sheds with beds". Later, when they get discovered working illegally, then deport them.
Better than giving them a red carpet welcome and putting them up in hotels for months on end.
That would require us to pull out of international conventions on asylum, which were set up because of the failures in the 1930s to provide refuge to Jews fleeing Germany and because of the pressures caused by the disruption to populations after World War II.
Australia is also a party to the international conventions, but it follows the exact same policies for stopping boat arrivals, as are listed in Reform's manifesto:
Zero illegal immigrants to be resettled in the UK. Pick up illegal migrants out of boats and take them back to France. All asylum seekers that arrive illegally from safe countries will be processed rapidly, offshore if necessary. Those entering from a safe country will also be barred from claiming asylum or citizenship.
Australia started following all of these policies & the boat arrivals then rapidly stopped & never resumed.
People won't cross by boat, if they know they have zero chance of getting to stay in their destination country.
People don't vote based on official government statistics. They vote based on their lived experience.
Their lived experience right now is of watching a continuous & increasing stream of boats crossing the Channel, with the boat arrivals then being put up in hotels.
The vast majority of people in the country don't have any lived experience of people crossing the Channel in small boats. They don't see them crossing or landing. They don't encounter them in their day-to-day life.
Rather, their experience of boat crossings is vicarious: it's from the media and social media. Those coming over in boats are convenient scapegoats for whatever they are unhappy about.
Official government statistics will be reported in the media and have some penetration on social media, so they can have some impact.
Thankfully, Starmer has learned to ignore people like you.
20 years too late, but hey ho.
People like me in what sense?
What is your lived experience of people who came over in small boats?
My lived experience is that I have to read shite like this from people like you.
Great. That demonstrates my point. Your experience is "read[ing] shite", i.e. from social media. You don't have direct experience of people who have come over in boats.
Regarding the small boats, if we can't send folk back to France (from where they are "fleeing"), then isn't the best option to just ignore them? Let people disappear into the black economy, living in "sheds with beds". Later, when they get discovered working illegally, then deport them.
Better than giving them a red carpet welcome and putting them up in hotels for months on end.
That would require us to pull out of international conventions on asylum, which were set up because of the failures in the 1930s to provide refuge to Jews fleeing Germany and because of the pressures caused by the disruption to populations after World War II.
Why are the asylum seekers living in camps in Calais prior to heading over ?
Because France is a failed state. According to various international aid organisations, conditions for the migrants there are intolerable. If they can't even give the migrants pizza*.....
So France is a failed state, with oil.
We all know how that one goes, don't we, children?
*Despite the sexualised desires of some, the UK has consistently treated the boat people well. Including huge orders of pizza when they are taken off the boats that have rescued them. That some of the pizza has a certain topping....
For some of them, the ham is likely to be the dealbreaker, not the pineapple...
Apparently, the orders a generally quite vegetarian - no pig products or beef. This is a fairly standard thing with dealing with refugees/migrants, from what people I know in the aid world say. That way you don't risk offending people/rejecting the food.
(((Dan Hodges))) @DPJHodges · 7m Strong, powerful speech from Keir Starmer. And a speech that is politically insane. None of the measures announced today can possibly match the rhetoric. Every single small boat that arrives and every new migrant that arrives will be set against these words. Madness.
Actually it isn’t, it’s very clever.
Immigration is going to fall due to the reforms of the last government and Starmer’s going to get the credit.
The public don’t do post hoc ergo proptor hoc..
The next annual immigration figures are out next month, aren't they? This is clever timing then. He talks tough this month. Next month, the numbers show a big drop.
Yeah, everywhere going to think what he said this morning stopped people coming last year. Clever
All the opposition have spent the last 9 months blaming him for things that happened, or were caused by, events from before he came to power - so why not?
Like the former PCSO in Kent being arrested by Police who misunderstood a tweet.
Quite how that’s the fault of SKS and Labour I don’t know.
Not directly of course, but overall strategic policy for everything is set by government. That's what government means. So if it isn't obvious to all police that actions X, Y and Z are out of bounds and ludicrous, it rests in the end on government to sort it, however much that is done in a delegated way.
It's in the nature of government to keep avoiding this fact. Take social care for example, now hanging fire since Dilnot in 2013. Policy on this is ultimately for government. No-one else has the power to do so. What have they done? Put it out for consultation, 12 years after Dilnot, to report in 2028 and, crucially, they stop mentioning it and hope we will do the same. That is the opposite of proper government.
Regarding the small boats, if we can't send folk back to France (from where they are "fleeing"), then isn't the best option to just ignore them? Let people disappear into the black economy, living in "sheds with beds". Later, when they get discovered working illegally, then deport them.
Better than giving them a red carpet welcome and putting them up in hotels for months on end.
That would require us to pull out of international conventions on asylum, which were set up because of the failures in the 1930s to provide refuge to Jews fleeing Germany and because of the pressures caused by the disruption to populations after World War II.
Why are the asylum seekers living in camps in Calais prior to heading over ?
Because France is a failed state. According to various international aid organisations, conditions for the migrants there are intolerable. If they can't even give the migrants pizza*.....
So France is a failed state, with oil.
We all know how that one goes, don't we, children?
*Despite the sexualised desires of some, the UK has consistently treated the boat people well. Including huge orders of pizza when they are taken off the boats that have rescued them. That some of the pizza has a certain topping....
For some of them, the ham is likely to be the dealbreaker, not the pineapple...
Apparently, the orders a generally quite vegetarian - no pig products or beef. This is a fairly standard thing with dealing with refugees/migrants, from what people I know in the aid world say. That way you don't risk offending people/rejecting the food.
If this was just a poll of Republican voters it might be plausible. However for all voters with other polls showing Trump on just 41% approval it clearly is not
(((Dan Hodges))) @DPJHodges · 7m Strong, powerful speech from Keir Starmer. And a speech that is politically insane. None of the measures announced today can possibly match the rhetoric. Every single small boat that arrives and every new migrant that arrives will be set against these words. Madness.
Actually it isn’t, it’s very clever.
Immigration is going to fall due to the reforms of the last government and Starmer’s going to get the credit.
The public don’t do post hoc ergo proptor hoc..
What I don’t get is why immigration levels should only drop gradually from the 900,000 Boris wave. Surely they should fall off a cliff? If the Boris wave was a one off, there’s no need for last year to be 700,000 or this year to be any more than 200,000.
Yes. This seems to me an underexplored point. If for a few years vast numbers enter and remain in the UK, on the basis that they are there to work and a fortiori are younger rather than older - not all about to retire - why do we keep needing further people from outside, apart from a trickle of special cases, given the large cohort already there, and the UK produced school leavers and graduates all applying for jobs.
The visa selling schemes are very, very profitable. There is a whole industry of this. In Wandsworth, I was pointed (by a colleague working his way through getting British citizenship) to an interesting company which has taken more and more shop space at the bottom of some posh new built tower blocks.
It fails to note that U.S. generic prices (which are about 90% of prescriptions) are actually lower than European prices.
If Trump is saying that generic prices have to come down to the lowest levels available in Africa, then several things will happen.
First, African countries will lose most the special (effectively subsidised) deals they get on cheap generics; manufacturers will simply raise their cheapest prices. Coming on top of the halt in USAID, that will have devastating effects.
Secondly, it will further increase the market share of the very lowest cost producers - China and India. Who will probably be tariffed on what they ship to the US.
Regarding the small boats, if we can't send folk back to France (from where they are "fleeing"), then isn't the best option to just ignore them? Let people disappear into the black economy, living in "sheds with beds". Later, when they get discovered working illegally, then deport them.
Better than giving them a red carpet welcome and putting them up in hotels for months on end.
That would require us to pull out of international conventions on asylum, which were set up because of the failures in the 1930s to provide refuge to Jews fleeing Germany and because of the pressures caused by the disruption to populations after World War II.
Australia is also a party to the international conventions, but it follows the exact same policies for stopping boat arrivals, as are listed in Reform's manifesto:
Zero illegal immigrants to be resettled in the UK. Pick up illegal migrants out of boats and take them back to France. All asylum seekers that arrive illegally from safe countries will be processed rapidly, offshore if necessary. Those entering from a safe country will also be barred from claiming asylum or citizenship.
Australia started following all of these policies & the boat arrivals then rapidly stopped & never resumed.
People won't cross by boat, if they know they have zero chance of getting to stay in their destination country.
REPLY: That's not what @SandyRentool was suggesting and I was responding to Sandy's suggestion.
As we have discussed many, many times, the Australian situation is rather different to the UK's: a longer sea crossing, so you have more time to intercept boats and can do so in international waters; some nearby places willing to take people for money, or a convenient offshore island you control; lower numbers. Moreover, Australia did not do the equivalent of "tak[ing] them back to France".
Regarding the small boats, if we can't send folk back to France (from where they are "fleeing"), then isn't the best option to just ignore them? Let people disappear into the black economy, living in "sheds with beds". Later, when they get discovered working illegally, then deport them.
Better than giving them a red carpet welcome and putting them up in hotels for months on end.
That would require us to pull out of international conventions on asylum, which were set up because of the failures in the 1930s to provide refuge to Jews fleeing Germany and because of the pressures caused by the disruption to populations after World War II.
Why are the asylum seekers living in camps in Calais prior to heading over ?
Because France is a failed state. According to various international aid organisations, conditions for the migrants there are intolerable. If they can't even give the migrants pizza*.....
So France is a failed state, with oil.
We all know how that one goes, don't we, children?
*Despite the sexualised desires of some, the UK has consistently treated the boat people well. Including huge orders of pizza when they are taken off the boats that have rescued them. That some of the pizza has a certain topping....
For some of them, the ham is likely to be the dealbreaker, not the pineapple...
Apparently, the orders a generally quite vegetarian - no pig products or beef. This is a fairly standard thing with dealing with refugees/migrants, from what people I know in the aid world say. That way you don't risk offending people/rejecting the food.
I'd be offended if I was only offered vegetarian.
I would guess that they offer chicken toppings in the mix. But I don't know.
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Chris Philp says Nigel Farage's spending plans are "Liz Truss on steroids".
The only snag is he was No2 in the Treasury in her government and gave the mini-Budget "9.5 out of 10".
https://x.com/KevinASchofield/status/1921817523474858254
https://metro.co.uk/2023/11/29/kim-jong-uns-grip-power-peril-just-99-91-voted-19894332/
Only potential problem for Trump is the Bond market.
https://x.com/libdems/status/1921520912571978231?s=61
I understand Starmer is about to do his best Farage impression at a press conference at 8.30am
I agree with Sam Coates who says Starmer's problem is that while he chases Reform votes he actually is running a greater risk of Labour supporters defecting to the Lib Dems and Greens and he cannot outdo Farage on this subject
Coates also says Starmer will not confirm a cap on numbers and will be asked ad infinitum why
Their "official" poll for Trump's Approval among US Registered Voters is currently 48% approval, 52% disapproval. In February 2025, they had a poll of US Likely Voters which had Trump at 51% approval, 46% disappoval.
I think the poll that Trump has posted could have been a special poll of CPAC Attendees. They would, of course, have given Trump 99% approval. It would be like doing a poll of Xi's approval among the attendees of the Communist Party Congress.
https://www.natesilver.net/p/trump-approval-ratings-nate-silver-bulletin
As for the cap, you'd hope that journalists would have learnt after the last 14 years that having a cap means nothing. That haven't of course.
Smashing the gangs, even if it were operationally viable, is self-evidently not going to be enough.
What’s needed is someone with the political vision, will and empathy to instinctively grasp the concern of working people over the ongoing migrant influx.
Someone who is prepared to introduce immigration policies that are not liberal, but are – on the contrary – overtly illiberal.
Someone prepared to confront with passion and energy the human-rights industry that is itself profiting from the trafficking in human misery.
Keir Starmer is not that man. And everyone knows it.
By pretending the Government’s new White Paper is the answer to the immigration crisis, the Prime Minister is taking the British people for fools. And in the process, he is trying to fool himself.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-14700843/DAN-HODGES-biggest-problem-PM-doesnt-want-stop-boats.html
Things that make you go "Hmmmm......".
Starmer's problem, as ever, is that he is a crummy communicator. So are most of his front bench.
https://www.newstatesman.com/politics/scotland/2025/05/the-snp-has-reinvented-itself-yet-again
The interesting thing to me is that the presumably SNP-aligned anonymous pollster is admitting that people aren't "particularly impressed by the SNP either". And also admitting that he's finding significant support for Reform in his focus groups.
If Scottish voters are really angry at Labour & not impressed with nearly two decades of SNP rule, then they could turn to Reform in significant numbers.
Otherwise we are 4 years away from the GE.
But Trump having 99% approval rating in February makes his fall to the mid to low 40s since the most calamitous collapse in history.
Are our bots getting offended by getting so regularly banned?
@SpencerHakimian
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*BESSENT SAYS NEITHER US NOR CHINA WANT TO DECOUPLE
This pretend trade war is over.
Just going to be background noise for the next 3.5 years.
A pointless gimmick.
But at least it’s over.
https://x.com/SpencerHakimian
With the data they have provided it could be “members of the Trump family”. Although I suspect their disapproval rate would have been higher…
But it illustrates the glaring difficulty of not having a plan, and not leading on issues.
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Strong, powerful speech from Keir Starmer. And a speech that is politically insane. None of the measures announced today can possibly match the rhetoric. Every single small boat that arrives and every new migrant that arrives will be set against these words. Madness.
Immigration is going to fall due to the reforms of the last government and Starmer’s going to get the credit.
The public don’t do post hoc ergo proptor hoc..
I've barely got out of bed but alarm clock Britain, who this is aimed at, will have been at work for an hour at least already surely?
Maybe it's to hit the morning talk radio phone-in shows?
A reminder of what he said he believed when he was running for Labour leader.
https://x.com/adambienkov/status/1921836260097658901?s=46&t=CW4pL-mMpTqsJXCdjW0Z6Q
However, are we so sure that this "poll fixing" is not a feature in Britain too? By which I do not mean to question the methodology of the pollsters, which we definitely should do in the US- this example is only the most egregious-but rather how even independent polls could be manipulated by inside information as to where and how the polls get taken.
Polls have acquired a dangerous significance in our system: with alleged popularity taking precedence over principles, and we have certainly seen that political decision taking is often based on polls alone. I can not be alone in finding this uncomfortable- good policy is subordinated to poll driven political expediency. Certainly it is not beyond the subversion teams of Russia to put out talking points through allied or "useful idiot" media and then back this up with manipulated poll findings. Indeed I would be surprised if this had *not* happened. Therefore I tend to be a bit more sceptical on polls in general. After all, even with the best will in the world, they can often be wildly out of line with the real world results.
Meanwhile, more and more desperate people will die beneath the cold waters of the Channel. And the social fabric of the nation will continue to be rent asunder as another establishment politician’s promise turns to dust.
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An economic strategy that doesn’t rely on the failed model of globalisation that has seen hundreds of thousands of those workers thrown to the wolves. Instead, the people of Britain must brace themselves for another stab in the back.
Do Mr Hodges and the Mail have a alternative economic strategy?
https://x.com/jackelsom/status/1921831425424175562?s=46&t=CW4pL-mMpTqsJXCdjW0Z6Q
Shows how far the public has moved - and how late the political class has been to waking up to it - that just a year or two ago any minister using the phrase “island of strangers” would be accused of being racist, a throwback, fascist etc… with Labour MPs hurling the insults.
https://x.com/mrharrycole/status/1921832289094283546?s=46&t=CW4pL-mMpTqsJXCdjW0Z6Q
Better than giving them a red carpet welcome and putting them up in hotels for months on end.
1 - The 6-8 week delay on the impacts of Trump's "choke off China trade" tariffs causing goods not to arrive (plus there are stockpiles, and warhouses in the USA are full.) Trump's China tariffs went to 145% in April week 2. We don't know the impact yet.
2 - The impact when that hits the US consumer.
3 - President Chump's belief in tariffs is what we could call theological, in political parlance.
4 - He has a couple of weeks to resolve it, and is currently backing off in stages. But everything is a random walk.
Their lived experience right now is of watching a continuous & increasing stream of boats crossing the Channel, with the boat arrivals then being put up in hotels.
The Dan Hodges article mentions that boat arrivals are up 40% year-on-year. This trend of exponential growth will continue as long as the people thinking of crossing feel that there is some chance that they will be granted a refugee visa.
It doesn't matter if Starmer slightly tightens the rules, and now 40% will be accepted instead of 60%. As long as people have a significantly higher than non-zero chance of being given a refugee visa then they will gamble on making a crossing.
And so, Starmer can point at official migration statistics as much as he wants. It won't do him any good as long people can see a stream of boat arrivals on their TV screens.
A fall in the rate of inflation did no favours for Sunak as prices were still high and rising, even if they were rising at a slower rate.
How many people who are concerned by the number of immigrants in the country are going to be grateful that they're still increasing, but at a slower rate?
I seem to be able to access the thread through the primary site.
A $564m cargo ended up with $416m of tariffs on it, much imposed whilst it was in transit.
https://youtu.be/nogrwLsbh6U?t=734
I expect the scheme will end up being only for 1 year which means it won’t end up in the immigration figures . Also rumours that the UK might go back into the Erasmus scheme.
It’s possible that the UK might go further with the trade aspects of the EU reset as this would help growth which gets calculated in the ONS forecasts and help Reeves .
Its a bad idea, we should be seeking to attract, net, high-skilled migrants (not unskilled ones) - but its absolutely workable.
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UK Special Forces committed war crimes in Iraq and Afghanistan.
"They handcuffed a young boy and shot him," recalled one veteran who served with the SAS in Afghanistan. "He was clearly a child, not even close to fighting age."
David Cameron was aware.
https://x.com/easygoing48/status/1921831704622236005
Britons have been feeling progressively more positive about the economy for almost two years now, but at no point did that feed into an increase in support for the government.
Voters had already made their mind up for the reasons shown below.
https://x.com/jburnmurdoch/status/1811369479231721634?s=46&t=CW4pL-mMpTqsJXCdjW0Z6Q
The problem with immigration isn't immigration, it's the immigrants (or some of them). We all know this, we don't say it out loud because we don't want to be called names but that's the fundamental issue.
People like People like Themselves - once you get that, social, cultural and immigration politics falls into place. It cuts across economic politics which doesn't care about any of that and sees people as drones and that's the battleground between those who prefer if not a uniculturalist Britain then a Britain in which they feel comfortable and those for whom economic growth is the prerequisite for prosperity and are if not blind to then indifferent to the social and cultural impact of unrestricted immigration.
Trying to square that circle is at the core of modern politics - if you can get some of the nine million economically inactive into work perhaps you can generate growth but that also means making work economically advantageous or at the very least not making it disadvantageous and that in turn means taking a long hard work at the tax and benefit system but also incentivising or cajoling firms to employ carers or those with long term physical and mental disabilities.
That's the "internal" solution - the "external" solution is about importing more labour to fill shortages and generate more wealth. The quick and dirty response (arguably) is the latter - the former means doing the hard yards but is probably more sustainable in the medium and longer term.
Rather, their experience of boat crossings is vicarious: it's from the media and social media. Those coming over in boats are convenient scapegoats for whatever they are unhappy about.
Official government statistics will be reported in the media and have some penetration on social media, so they can have some impact.
20 years too late, but hey ho.
Quite how that’s the fault of SKS and Labour I don’t know.
So France is a failed state, with oil.
We all know how that one goes, don't we, children?
*Despite the sexualised desires of some, the UK has consistently treated the boat people well. Including huge orders of pizza when they are taken off the boats that have rescued them. That some of the pizza has a certain topping....
What is your lived experience of people who came over in small boats?
Immigrants don't just add supply to the labour market, they add demand too. They don't have as much demand for dependencies as not typically retired (but may have/breed kids), but do increase demand for infrastructure, so its roughly balances.
All it does is ensure that firms can today fill a vacancy at a lower wage, but since demand goes up it just creates new vacancies and the circle continues. If it were possible to 'fill' vacancies with migration we'd have done it already, but its not possible.
The only thing that can make supply and demand balance is prices adjusting. If there's too many job vacancies then wages are too low - increase them, and let inefficient ones die unfilled. Productivity rises, and we reach equilibrium.
Your analogy holds, though, as far as it goes.
I've made those numbers up, but that's what it feels like, so people are understandably frustrated when they hear the cost of living crisis is abating.
Not for them.
The public don't understand second order derivatives and don't care to - but then again the politicians aren't much better, see talk on deficit/debt.
If net migration is still going up by hundreds of thousands per annum then I doubt many who are bothered by migration are going to say "yay, its going up at a slower rate, well done Starmer!"
People won't cross by boat, if they know they have zero chance of getting to stay in their destination country.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/czel3ry9x1do
It's in the nature of government to keep avoiding this fact. Take social care for example, now hanging fire since Dilnot in 2013. Policy on this is ultimately for government. No-one else has the power to do so. What have they done? Put it out for consultation, 12 years after Dilnot, to report in 2028 and, crucially, they stop mentioning it and hope we will do the same. That is the opposite of proper government.
https://x.com/Jabaluck/status/1921728990454165898
It's not a bad take, but misses a few points.
It fails to note that U.S. generic prices (which are about 90% of prescriptions) are actually lower than European prices.
If Trump is saying that generic prices have to come down to the lowest levels available in Africa, then several things will happen.
First, African countries will lose most the special (effectively subsidised) deals they get on cheap generics; manufacturers will simply raise their cheapest prices. Coming on top of the halt in USAID, that will have devastating effects.
Secondly, it will further increase the market share of the very lowest cost producers - China and India.
Who will probably be tariffed on what they ship to the US.
People won't cross by boat, if they know they have zero chance of getting to stay in their destination country.
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That's not what @SandyRentool was suggesting and I was responding to Sandy's suggestion.
As we have discussed many, many times, the Australian situation is rather different to the UK's: a longer sea crossing, so you have more time to intercept boats and can do so in international waters; some nearby places willing to take people for money, or a convenient offshore island you control; lower numbers. Moreover, Australia did not do the equivalent of "tak[ing] them back to France".
Venison as well, probably.