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  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 53,952
    edited May 9
    Leon said:

    RobD said:

    RobD said:

    scampi25 said:

    carnforth said:
    It's interesting that every time people talk about peak Reform they poll ever higher.
    Surely peak Reform will be 100% after they ban opposition parties?
    Nah, even Putin only ends up in the mid 90s, or do you think Nigey is potentially even more popular that Vlad?
    That’s Der Nige to you.
    Darth Nigel
    "Good, I can feel your anger! I am defenceless. Take your weapon. Strike me down with all of your hatred and your journey towards the Dark Side will be complete!"
  • BartholomewRobertsBartholomewRoberts Posts: 23,666

    HYUFD said:

    isam said:

    Leon said:

    Foxy said:

    kinabalu said:

    Foxy said:

    kinabalu said:

    kinabalu said:

    Dan Hodges agrees with Kemi. Six weeks ago no tariffs on UK trade to USA, today 10%

    Bit harsh to blame Starmer for damage done by the leader of another country.
    Yea but the whiney old twat deserves every bit of opprobrium that can be poured on his boring freeby-grabbing head, even if it isn't his fault.
    Quite the opposite. He's a diligent dedicated man and deserves your support. By all means vote against Labour come the election but in the meantime get behind your Labour PM.
    Face up to it, he is a dud with no charisma, a poor communicator and has no discernable plan or vision other than crisis management. His crisis management being particularly problematic as he is the instigator of many of the government's crises, not least through having the equally poor Reeves as his sidekick.
    That's harsh but it's fair in two respects. He does lack charisma and he's a manager not a visionary. However a charismatic persona and a grand vision are imo overrated in politics compared to competence and good intentions. I'd always take the latter. And it's what we need. We're a free and prosperous country which could be better in many respects, not a broken shithole of a place.
    I agree on that. Britain is a lovely place to be on a day like this.

    I think the doom and gloom is heavily overdone by those plastic patriots determined to talk down the country.
    I've noticed a tendency among the kind of people who like to complain about misinformation to stubbornly cling to an idea of the way things are that is based purely on the way they would like things to be, or the way they imagine things to be, or even the way they remember that things used to be. They are impervious to anything that contradicts this, even if it is meticulously factual and supported by evidence from sources that they would normally regard as authoritative.
    Very true. The shoplifting argument was vivid evidence of this

    The blinkered centrist Dads insisting it's "always been like this", "I worked in retail a decade ago, nothing has changed"

    This despite PBers offering personal lived experience

    Even when we showed the Centrist Dads the actual hard evidence - a ten fold increase in shoplifting in ten years, according to the Economist - they then claimed they'd always accepted this, or they pretended that it was some statistical anomaly
    Same with immigration; centrist Dads are defending numbers they’d never have believed possible a decade ago, and calling people who want a return to coalition style figures of 250k ‘Fascists’
    Are they? I have genuinely no idea why the Tories (hardly centrist dads) presided over such a huge rise in net migration and I've literally not heard anyone on the centre left say that it was great. Indeed, most have simply pointed out the irony that it was Brexit that seems to have facilitated the surge. I mean, it is pretty funny.
    Personally I don't have strong feelings about immigration. I would just like to have a system that is fair and humane and balances competing imperatives of the labour market, fairness for existing workers, pressure on housing and infrastructure, allowing universities to meet global demand from students, and international obligations to help refugees. People on here bang on about it too much though, it's getting boring.
    Immigration is now starting to fall net after Rishi raised the wage requirement for visas and cut the ability of dependents to come in too
    Ironically among the skills we need is that of care workers and nurses who are paid nowhere near the levels Rishi set. Especially care workers.
    Care work, with all due respect, is not skilled work. Anyone can do it, it does not require any qualification. Ideally you'd want the people doing it to have certain qualities, eg being caring, but just dumping it on anyone who will take minimum wage is not a way to get that.

    If care homes want staff, they could offer significantly more than minimum wage, then they would find many people who want to do the job - but why work cleaning people's bums for minimum wage when you could do something far less gross, for more money, by eg working minimum wage plus tips in hospitality?
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 53,952
    rcs1000 said:

    At the risk of the ban hammer, I will claim a wolverine is a species of badger, and I think could take a baboon.

    I could definitely take a baboon.

    I could take a baboon some kind of snack. If you give them food, they won't bother you.
    Baboon Gelato :lol:
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 77,213

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    The only comparator for this is the short but amazing rise of the SDP in the early 80s, right?

    Then Thatch got saved by Galtieri and they fell away. IIRC. It was a looooooong time ago

    Maybe Starmer can persuade Putin to invade Gibraltar, badly

    The SDP/Alliance polled 50% but the Tories were leading in some polls before the invasion of The Malvinas.
    Was it as high as 50%??! That's even more spectacular than I remember

    However there are major differences between Reform and the SDP, and the most important is the one that tells me this might be a new permanent change, not a fleeting weirdness like the Alliance: Reform are just part of a wider vibeshift to the populist right across the West - from Le Pen to Meloni, from Trump to the AfD to the Danish social democrats adopting hard right migration policies, and many other examples: some hopeful some depressing

    This is a secular change in mood across the western world, not a uniquely British blip
    Yes, in December 1981 Mori had the following

    Con 23%

    Labour 23.5%

    Alliance 50.5%

    A fortnight before the invasion in March 1982 Mori had it as

    Con 31.5%

    Lab 33%

    Alliance 33%

    Gallup days before the invasion had it as

    Con 35%

    Lab 30%

    Alliance 33%
    So Reform have another year before they peak ?
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 54,827
    rcs1000 said:

    Define victory?

    If 97 of the unarmed men die, and the 98th kills the silverback gorilla, then did the men "win"?

    I've given this some thought.

    Partly depends on the location. Easier if in a gorilla enclosure. Tougher if the situation is open ground. But gorillas need trees to nest in, so there's likely to be trees.

    Say the gorilla is a BIG bastard - he still won't exceed 500 pound. Not quite 36 stone.

    Let's say the men are 12 stone each - that is a total mass of men of 1,200 stone.

    Firstly, surround the gorilla. Say 10 deep. The chaps facing the gorilla are going to get a hell of a beating. But maybe only the first three or four rows. The rest just pile in to crush the gorilla. Easier if there is a tree to push him against, easier still if a wall. Those at his back can soon pin his arms and legs. The weight of dead bloke bodies will also cause the gorilla to lose mobility and movement. Let's say he kills twenty guys - that is still 240 stone or well over one and a half tonnes pressing down on him. By now, the gorilla has the dead weight of a small car on his body, with four more cars crushing into him.

    Even if nobody manages to get a choke hold on him, I suspect he would not last more than a minute before he is asphyxiated. 80 guys - some admittedly maimed - would then have to ensure that they were not crushing each other.

    It would require a lot of teamwork, but sheer weight and numbers are too great for the gorilla to beat off.
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 38,697

    rcs1000 said:

    Define victory?

    If 97 of the unarmed men die, and the 98th kills the silverback gorilla, then did the men "win"?

    Capt. Miller: You see, when... when you end up killing one of your men, you see, you tell yourself it happened so you could save the lives of two or three or ten others. Maybe a hundred others. Do you know how many men I've lost under my command?
    Sgt. Horvath: How many?
    Capt. Miller: Ninety-four. But that means I've saved the lives of ten times that many, doesn't it? Maybe even twenty, right? Twenty times as many? And that's how simple it is. That's how you... that's how you rationalize on making the choice between the mission and the man.
    Pike makes the same point in The Age of Madness trilogy.

    “I tell myself I take one life, in order to save ten more.”
  • EabhalEabhal Posts: 10,448

    ReFuk around 30% of the voting public is a stark illustration that we on PB are far from a representative cross-section.

    Only those expressing an opinion. Excludes don't knows.
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 43,549
    rcs1000 said:

    At the risk of the ban hammer, I will claim a wolverine is a species of badger, and I think could take a baboon.

    I could definitely take a baboon.

    I could take a baboon some kind of snack. If you give them food, they won't bother you.
    Or offer sex.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 59,741

    rcs1000 said:

    Define victory?

    If 97 of the unarmed men die, and the 98th kills the silverback gorilla, then did the men "win"?

    I've given this some thought.

    Partly depends on the location. Easier if in a gorilla enclosure. Tougher if the situation is open ground. But gorillas need trees to nest in, so there's likely to be trees.

    Say the gorilla is a BIG bastard - he still won't exceed 500 pound. Not quite 36 stone.

    Let's say the men are 12 stone each - that is a total mass of men of 1,200 stone.

    Firstly, surround the gorilla. Say 10 deep. The chaps facing the gorilla are going to get a hell of a beating. But maybe only the first three or four rows. The rest just pile in to crush the gorilla. Easier if there is a tree to push him against, easier still if a wall. Those at his back can soon pin his arms and legs. The weight of dead bloke bodies will also cause the gorilla to lose mobility and movement. Let's say he kills twenty guys - that is still 240 stone or well over one and a half tonnes pressing down on him. By now, the gorilla has the dead weight of a small car on his body, with four more cars crushing into him.

    Even if nobody manages to get a choke hold on him, I suspect he would not last more than a minute before he is asphyxiated. 80 guys - some admittedly maimed - would then have to ensure that they were not crushing each other.

    It would require a lot of teamwork, but sheer weight and numbers are too great for the gorilla to beat off.
    Surrounding the gorilla is definitely the right option. And then I think the right thing to do is to simply wait. The gorilla isn't going to want to charge a mass of people much larger than it.

    For the record, I'm not signing up for this.
  • BartholomewRobertsBartholomewRoberts Posts: 23,666
    Nigelb said:

    Farage is head and shoulders above everyone else as a political talent and there's a sense of inevitability about his march to Downing Street now.

    It's not like the SPD period when Britain faced serious problems, but the person with the solutions was already in power. Starmer is no Thatcher and instead embodies everything that's gone wrong.

    Only if you're talking of yourself and Leon.

    Is it possible ? Sure.
    Inevitable ? Nonsense.

    Also, Farage has no solutions either.
    I gave you a 'like' but to be fair he does have some solutions.

    I just don't think they're very good ones.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 27,063
    edited May 9
    Do we have anyone on PB from Kirklees?

    What do you think of the "Greenways"?

    (I'm reviewing a draft of a piece looking at making the Greenways properly accessible as the start of an alternative off-road travel network for walking, wheeling, cycling. They seem to have quite a lot of anti-wheelchair barriers of various sorts.)

    I'm happy to PM a link if anyone wants to comment.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 77,213

    Nigelb said:

    Farage is head and shoulders above everyone else as a political talent and there's a sense of inevitability about his march to Downing Street now.

    It's not like the SPD period when Britain faced serious problems, but the person with the solutions was already in power. Starmer is no Thatcher and instead embodies everything that's gone wrong.

    Only if you're talking of yourself and Leon.

    Is it possible ? Sure.
    Inevitable ? Nonsense.

    Also, Farage has no solutions either.
    I gave you a 'like' but to be fair he does have some solutions.

    I just don't think they're very good ones.
    That was what I meant, of course.
    Everyone pretends they have solutions.

    In Reform's favour, it's possible (for example) that Green voters will make like the Michigan Palestinian voters, and refuse to vote tactically to keep them out.

    Against that, someone like me might consider voting Labour for the first time in my life to do just that.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 38,385
    Senile Old Man ranting at the TV again

    https://x.com/ProjectLincoln/status/1920887571741090256
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 77,213
    rcs1000 said:

    rcs1000 said:

    At the risk of the ban hammer, I will claim a wolverine is a species of badger, and I think could take a baboon.

    I could definitely take a baboon.

    I could take a baboon some kind of snack. If you give them food, they won't bother you.
    Or offer sex.
    Sadly, I've been rebuffed multiple times on baboon dating apps, so I'm not so confident that'll work.
    Have you tried the gorillas or grizzlies ?
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 45,037

    Farage is head and shoulders above everyone else as a political talent and there's a sense of inevitability about his march to Downing Street now.

    It's not like the SPD period when Britain faced serious problems, but the person with the solutions was already in power. Starmer is no Thatcher and instead embodies everything that's gone wrong.

    Keir Starmer embodies overreliance on a poorly regulated City, the decline of developed world economic hegemony, decades of living beyond our means, a global pandemic, the return of inflation and consequent end of cheap money, the collapse of the western defence alliance, and the hit to global trade from America's lurch to protectionism?

    That is one hell of a man we have at number ten!
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 53,952

    rcs1000 said:

    At the risk of the ban hammer, I will claim a wolverine is a species of badger, and I think could take a baboon.

    I could definitely take a baboon.

    I could take a baboon some kind of snack. If you give them food, they won't bother you.
    Baboon Gelato :lol:
    I thought it was a good pun :)
  • sladeslade Posts: 2,173
    MattW said:

    Do we have anyone on PB from Kirklees?

    What do you think of the "Greenways"?

    (I'm reviewing a draft of a piece looking at making the Greenways properly accessible as the start of an alternative off-road travel network for walking, wheeling, cycling. They seem to have quite a lot of anti-wheelchair barriers of various sorts.)

    I'm happy to PM a link if anyone wants to comment.

    Yes. I was largely responsible for initiating one of them. But I don't think there is an issue you mention with that one.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 59,741

    HYUFD said:

    isam said:

    Leon said:

    Foxy said:

    kinabalu said:

    Foxy said:

    kinabalu said:

    kinabalu said:

    Dan Hodges agrees with Kemi. Six weeks ago no tariffs on UK trade to USA, today 10%

    Bit harsh to blame Starmer for damage done by the leader of another country.
    Yea but the whiney old twat deserves every bit of opprobrium that can be poured on his boring freeby-grabbing head, even if it isn't his fault.
    Quite the opposite. He's a diligent dedicated man and deserves your support. By all means vote against Labour come the election but in the meantime get behind your Labour PM.
    Face up to it, he is a dud with no charisma, a poor communicator and has no discernable plan or vision other than crisis management. His crisis management being particularly problematic as he is the instigator of many of the government's crises, not least through having the equally poor Reeves as his sidekick.
    That's harsh but it's fair in two respects. He does lack charisma and he's a manager not a visionary. However a charismatic persona and a grand vision are imo overrated in politics compared to competence and good intentions. I'd always take the latter. And it's what we need. We're a free and prosperous country which could be better in many respects, not a broken shithole of a place.
    I agree on that. Britain is a lovely place to be on a day like this.

    I think the doom and gloom is heavily overdone by those plastic patriots determined to talk down the country.
    I've noticed a tendency among the kind of people who like to complain about misinformation to stubbornly cling to an idea of the way things are that is based purely on the way they would like things to be, or the way they imagine things to be, or even the way they remember that things used to be. They are impervious to anything that contradicts this, even if it is meticulously factual and supported by evidence from sources that they would normally regard as authoritative.
    Very true. The shoplifting argument was vivid evidence of this

    The blinkered centrist Dads insisting it's "always been like this", "I worked in retail a decade ago, nothing has changed"

    This despite PBers offering personal lived experience

    Even when we showed the Centrist Dads the actual hard evidence - a ten fold increase in shoplifting in ten years, according to the Economist - they then claimed they'd always accepted this, or they pretended that it was some statistical anomaly
    Same with immigration; centrist Dads are defending numbers they’d never have believed possible a decade ago, and calling people who want a return to coalition style figures of 250k ‘Fascists’
    Are they? I have genuinely no idea why the Tories (hardly centrist dads) presided over such a huge rise in net migration and I've literally not heard anyone on the centre left say that it was great. Indeed, most have simply pointed out the irony that it was Brexit that seems to have facilitated the surge. I mean, it is pretty funny.
    Personally I don't have strong feelings about immigration. I would just like to have a system that is fair and humane and balances competing imperatives of the labour market, fairness for existing workers, pressure on housing and infrastructure, allowing universities to meet global demand from students, and international obligations to help refugees. People on here bang on about it too much though, it's getting boring.
    Immigration is now starting to fall net after Rishi raised the wage requirement for visas and cut the ability of dependents to come in too
    Ironically among the skills we need is that of care workers and nurses who are paid nowhere near the levels Rishi set. Especially care workers.
    Care work, with all due respect, is not skilled work. Anyone can do it, it does not require any qualification. Ideally you'd want the people doing it to have certain qualities, eg being caring, but just dumping it on anyone who will take minimum wage is not a way to get that.

    If care homes want staff, they could offer significantly more than minimum wage, then they would find many people who want to do the job - but why work cleaning people's bums for minimum wage when you could do something far less gross, for more money, by eg working minimum wage plus tips in hospitality?
    The fundamental problem is that (a) most people in care homes have their bills paid for buy the local authority, (b) the number of people needing care homes grows every year, and (c) local councils have no money.

    Care homes have not been enormously profitable businesses: Four Seasons Health was one of the largest care home providers in the UK, and went bust in 2019. They ran 322 home and had 22,000 staff. Before then, Southern Cross Healthcare, which was the largest provider in the UK, went bust.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 27,063
    slade said:

    MattW said:

    Do we have anyone on PB from Kirklees?

    What do you think of the "Greenways"?

    (I'm reviewing a draft of a piece looking at making the Greenways properly accessible as the start of an alternative off-road travel network for walking, wheeling, cycling. They seem to have quite a lot of anti-wheelchair barriers of various sorts.)

    I'm happy to PM a link if anyone wants to comment.

    Yes. I was largely responsible for initiating one of them. But I don't think there is an issue you mention with that one.
    Would you like me to comment if I PM the link? It is at pre-final draft stage, so comments are helpful.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 53,952
    MattW said:

    rcs1000 said:

    rcs1000 said:

    At the risk of the ban hammer, I will claim a wolverine is a species of badger, and I think could take a baboon.

    I could definitely take a baboon.

    I could take a baboon some kind of snack. If you give them food, they won't bother you.
    Or offer sex.
    Sadly, I've been rebuffed multiple times on baboon dating apps, so I'm not so confident that'll work.
    In my observation (of David Attenborough's observation) Baboon dating works by sending a photo of your rear end, not your face.

    Do let us know how it goes with the change of strategy !
    On that theme:

    "Sweden's national security adviser quits over Grindr images"

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c74nlgyv7r4o
  • twistedfirestopper3twistedfirestopper3 Posts: 2,555
    Depends how clever the Gorilla is.
    If he's anything like Jack Reacher, the men are fecked.

    Jeb: [chuckles] Are you kidding? It's five against one.
    Jack Reacher: [shakes his head] It's *three* against one.
    Jeb: [perplexed] *How* do you figure?
    Jack Reacher: Well, once I take out the leader, which is you, I'll have to contend with one or two enthusiastic wingmen. The last two guys, they always run.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 27,063
    edited May 9
    MattW said:

    slade said:

    MattW said:

    Do we have anyone on PB from Kirklees?

    What do you think of the "Greenways"?

    (I'm reviewing a draft of a piece looking at making the Greenways properly accessible as the start of an alternative off-road travel network for walking, wheeling, cycling. They seem to have quite a lot of anti-wheelchair barriers of various sorts.)

    I'm happy to PM a link if anyone wants to comment.

    Yes. I was largely responsible for initiating one of them. But I don't think there is an issue you mention with that one.
    Would you like me to comment if I PM the link? It is at pre-final draft stage, so comments are helpful.
    Sorry - a bit of a typo there. I mean:


    Would you be interested in commenting if I PM the link? It is at pre-final draft stage, so comments are helpful. I try to talk as widely as possible - attempts just to impose things are asking for pushback, where they may not actually be any real disagreement.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 53,952

    They say that truth is the first casualty of war.

    However, in South Asia, it seems to be the cricket.

    "Boring conversation sport anyway!"
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 79,384
    edited May 9
    I think the gorilla would win against a hundred unarmed men.
    I mean it's not dissimilar to 25 year old Mike Tyson against a hundred 6 year olds
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 43,549
    rcs1000 said:

    rcs1000 said:

    At the risk of the ban hammer, I will claim a wolverine is a species of badger, and I think could take a baboon.

    I could definitely take a baboon.

    I could take a baboon some kind of snack. If you give them food, they won't bother you.
    Or offer sex.
    Sadly, I've been rebuffed multiple times on baboon dating apps, so I'm not so confident that'll work.
    One way or other the baboons haven’t bothered you, job’s a good un.
  • RogerRoger Posts: 20,590

    Farage is head and shoulders above everyone else as a political talent and there's a sense of inevitability about his march to Downing Street now.

    It's not like the SPD period when Britain faced serious problems, but the person with the solutions was already in power. Starmer is no Thatcher and instead embodies everything that's gone wrong.

    Completely inevitable. Do you fancy another £1,000 he doesn't?
  • sladeslade Posts: 2,173
    MattW said:

    MattW said:

    slade said:

    MattW said:

    Do we have anyone on PB from Kirklees?

    What do you think of the "Greenways"?

    (I'm reviewing a draft of a piece looking at making the Greenways properly accessible as the start of an alternative off-road travel network for walking, wheeling, cycling. They seem to have quite a lot of anti-wheelchair barriers of various sorts.)

    I'm happy to PM a link if anyone wants to comment.

    Yes. I was largely responsible for initiating one of them. But I don't think there is an issue you mention with that one.
    Would you like me to comment if I PM the link? It is at pre-final draft stage, so comments are helpful.
    Sorry - a bit of a typo there. I mean:


    Would you be interested in commenting if I PM the link? It is at pre-final draft stage, so comments are helpful. I try to talk as widely as possible - attempts just to impose things are asking for pushback, where they may not actually be any real disagreement.
    OK. I am at wd02@btopenworld.com
  • OmniumOmnium Posts: 11,548
    Is this some odd Reform vs Heseltine thing?

    I passed him in the street the other day - still dapper, but he didn't look capable of taking on 100 Greens even.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 34,785

    ReFuk around 30% of the voting public is a stark illustration that we on PB are far from a representative cross-section.

    What percentage of PBers would you estimate are Ref supporters?
  • Roger said:

    Farage is head and shoulders above everyone else as a political talent and there's a sense of inevitability about his march to Downing Street now.

    It's not like the SPD period when Britain faced serious problems, but the person with the solutions was already in power. Starmer is no Thatcher and instead embodies everything that's gone wrong.

    Completely inevitable. Do you fancy another £1,000 he doesn't?
    Starmer is no Margaret Thatcher, Starmer is no Edward Heath - Heath had integrity. But Farage is no Margaret Thatcher or Edward Heath either.
  • BartholomewRobertsBartholomewRoberts Posts: 23,666
    rcs1000 said:

    HYUFD said:

    isam said:

    Leon said:

    Foxy said:

    kinabalu said:

    Foxy said:

    kinabalu said:

    kinabalu said:

    Dan Hodges agrees with Kemi. Six weeks ago no tariffs on UK trade to USA, today 10%

    Bit harsh to blame Starmer for damage done by the leader of another country.
    Yea but the whiney old twat deserves every bit of opprobrium that can be poured on his boring freeby-grabbing head, even if it isn't his fault.
    Quite the opposite. He's a diligent dedicated man and deserves your support. By all means vote against Labour come the election but in the meantime get behind your Labour PM.
    Face up to it, he is a dud with no charisma, a poor communicator and has no discernable plan or vision other than crisis management. His crisis management being particularly problematic as he is the instigator of many of the government's crises, not least through having the equally poor Reeves as his sidekick.
    That's harsh but it's fair in two respects. He does lack charisma and he's a manager not a visionary. However a charismatic persona and a grand vision are imo overrated in politics compared to competence and good intentions. I'd always take the latter. And it's what we need. We're a free and prosperous country which could be better in many respects, not a broken shithole of a place.
    I agree on that. Britain is a lovely place to be on a day like this.

    I think the doom and gloom is heavily overdone by those plastic patriots determined to talk down the country.
    I've noticed a tendency among the kind of people who like to complain about misinformation to stubbornly cling to an idea of the way things are that is based purely on the way they would like things to be, or the way they imagine things to be, or even the way they remember that things used to be. They are impervious to anything that contradicts this, even if it is meticulously factual and supported by evidence from sources that they would normally regard as authoritative.
    Very true. The shoplifting argument was vivid evidence of this

    The blinkered centrist Dads insisting it's "always been like this", "I worked in retail a decade ago, nothing has changed"

    This despite PBers offering personal lived experience

    Even when we showed the Centrist Dads the actual hard evidence - a ten fold increase in shoplifting in ten years, according to the Economist - they then claimed they'd always accepted this, or they pretended that it was some statistical anomaly
    Same with immigration; centrist Dads are defending numbers they’d never have believed possible a decade ago, and calling people who want a return to coalition style figures of 250k ‘Fascists’
    Are they? I have genuinely no idea why the Tories (hardly centrist dads) presided over such a huge rise in net migration and I've literally not heard anyone on the centre left say that it was great. Indeed, most have simply pointed out the irony that it was Brexit that seems to have facilitated the surge. I mean, it is pretty funny.
    Personally I don't have strong feelings about immigration. I would just like to have a system that is fair and humane and balances competing imperatives of the labour market, fairness for existing workers, pressure on housing and infrastructure, allowing universities to meet global demand from students, and international obligations to help refugees. People on here bang on about it too much though, it's getting boring.
    Immigration is now starting to fall net after Rishi raised the wage requirement for visas and cut the ability of dependents to come in too
    Ironically among the skills we need is that of care workers and nurses who are paid nowhere near the levels Rishi set. Especially care workers.
    Care work, with all due respect, is not skilled work. Anyone can do it, it does not require any qualification. Ideally you'd want the people doing it to have certain qualities, eg being caring, but just dumping it on anyone who will take minimum wage is not a way to get that.

    If care homes want staff, they could offer significantly more than minimum wage, then they would find many people who want to do the job - but why work cleaning people's bums for minimum wage when you could do something far less gross, for more money, by eg working minimum wage plus tips in hospitality?
    The fundamental problem is that (a) most people in care homes have their bills paid for buy the local authority, (b) the number of people needing care homes grows every year, and (c) local councils have no money.

    Care homes have not been enormously profitable businesses: Four Seasons Health was one of the largest care home providers in the UK, and went bust in 2019. They ran 322 home and had 22,000 staff. Before then, Southern Cross Healthcare, which was the largest provider in the UK, went bust.
    Doesn't answer the point. All public services would be cheaper if we could just get people to work for minimum wage. Cut minimum wage and they'll be even cheaper still.

    Doesn't make "prepared to work for minimum wage" a special skill or qualification.

    To import people as a "missing skill" when that "skill" is "prepared to work for minimum wage" makes a mockery of the whole system.

    If wages go up, then authorities will just have to pay what they have to pay under service obligations, and the central government will have to adjust grants accordingly, and that will just have to be dealt with accordingly. Doesn't mean we need to import people prepared to work for minimum wage and call that a skill.
  • TimSTimS Posts: 15,205
    I think I mentioned a couple of weeks ago a sheep was attacked and killed, and eaten, in my vineyard. The farmer was understandably upset.

    It has left a mystery which has seen me turning to questions like that posed in this survey. What kind of animal could, and would, have the means and motive to do this to a fully grown large ewe?

    The options are:

    - Dog - apparently labradors are the worst for sheep attacks, but they rarely actually eat them
    - Wolf: wildwood wolf sanctuary isn’t far away but no reports of escapes
    - Big cat: we’re a few miles from Howletts zoo, but again no reports
    - Humans with a grudge: no evidence of clean knife wounds, but this was apparently the second time it’s happened and might they have taken it, got a dog to eat it, then put it back?

  • JohnLilburneJohnLilburne Posts: 6,653
    TimS said:

    I think I mentioned a couple of weeks ago a sheep was attacked and killed, and eaten, in my vineyard. The farmer was understandably upset.

    It has left a mystery which has seen me turning to questions like that posed in this survey. What kind of animal could, and would, have the means and motive to do this to a fully grown large ewe?

    The options are:

    - Dog - apparently labradors are the worst for sheep attacks, but they rarely actually eat them
    - Wolf: wildwood wolf sanctuary isn’t far away but no reports of escapes
    - Big cat: we’re a few miles from Howletts zoo, but again no reports
    - Humans with a grudge: no evidence of clean knife wounds, but this was apparently the second time it’s happened and might they have taken it, got a dog to eat it, then put it back?

    Out-of-place animal, ie an alien big cat (not from the Zoo)
  • RogerRoger Posts: 20,590

    Roger said:

    Farage is head and shoulders above everyone else as a political talent and there's a sense of inevitability about his march to Downing Street now.

    It's not like the SPD period when Britain faced serious problems, but the person with the solutions was already in power. Starmer is no Thatcher and instead embodies everything that's gone wrong.

    Completely inevitable. Do you fancy another £1,000 he doesn't?
    Starmer is no Margaret Thatcher, Starmer is no Edward Heath - Heath had integrity. But Farage is no Margaret Thatcher or Edward Heath either.
    So the wager sounds reasonable. We're both betting on losers. Let William and I send £1,000 each to PtP and we can get this show on the road.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 53,952
    TimS said:

    I think I mentioned a couple of weeks ago a sheep was attacked and killed, and eaten, in my vineyard. The farmer was understandably upset.

    It has left a mystery which has seen me turning to questions like that posed in this survey. What kind of animal could, and would, have the means and motive to do this to a fully grown large ewe?

    The options are:

    - Dog - apparently labradors are the worst for sheep attacks, but they rarely actually eat them
    - Wolf: wildwood wolf sanctuary isn’t far away but no reports of escapes
    - Big cat: we’re a few miles from Howletts zoo, but again no reports
    - Humans with a grudge: no evidence of clean knife wounds, but this was apparently the second time it’s happened and might they have taken it, got a dog to eat it, then put it back?

    Predator, with cloaking device.
  • isamisam Posts: 41,555
    BMG Leader Ratings

    Satisfied-Dissatisfied

    Farage 35-32 (+3)
    Starmer 20-59 (-39)
    Badenoch 20-25 (-5)
    Davey 22-19 (+3)
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 53,952
    Roger said:

    Roger said:

    Farage is head and shoulders above everyone else as a political talent and there's a sense of inevitability about his march to Downing Street now.

    It's not like the SPD period when Britain faced serious problems, but the person with the solutions was already in power. Starmer is no Thatcher and instead embodies everything that's gone wrong.

    Completely inevitable. Do you fancy another £1,000 he doesn't?
    Starmer is no Margaret Thatcher, Starmer is no Edward Heath - Heath had integrity. But Farage is no Margaret Thatcher or Edward Heath either.
    So the wager sounds reasonable. We're both betting on losers. Let William and I send £1,000 each to PtP and we can get this show on the road.
    "Let me and William"
  • MattWMattW Posts: 27,063
    edited May 9
    TimS said:

    I think I mentioned a couple of weeks ago a sheep was attacked and killed, and eaten, in my vineyard. The farmer was understandably upset.

    It has left a mystery which has seen me turning to questions like that posed in this survey. What kind of animal could, and would, have the means and motive to do this to a fully grown large ewe?

    The options are:

    - Dog - apparently labradors are the worst for sheep attacks, but they rarely actually eat them
    - Wolf: wildwood wolf sanctuary isn’t far away but no reports of escapes
    - Big cat: we’re a few miles from Howletts zoo, but again no reports
    - Humans with a grudge: no evidence of clean knife wounds, but this was apparently the second time it’s happened and might they have taken it, got a dog to eat it, then put it back?

    Wild boar, which have been know to attack sheep and would - as omnivores - potentially feast on a carcass? These are reestablished in the Weald.
  • FossFoss Posts: 1,471
    TimS said:

    I think I mentioned a couple of weeks ago a sheep was attacked and killed, and eaten, in my vineyard. The farmer was understandably upset.

    It has left a mystery which has seen me turning to questions like that posed in this survey. What kind of animal could, and would, have the means and motive to do this to a fully grown large ewe?

    The options are:

    - Dog - apparently labradors are the worst for sheep attacks, but they rarely actually eat them
    - Wolf: wildwood wolf sanctuary isn’t far away but no reports of escapes
    - Big cat: we’re a few miles from Howletts zoo, but again no reports
    - Humans with a grudge: no evidence of clean knife wounds, but this was apparently the second time it’s happened and might they have taken it, got a dog to eat it, then put it back?

    In theory it could have just keeled over and then various carrion eaters could have torn it up.
  • OmniumOmnium Posts: 11,548
    TimS said:

    I think I mentioned a couple of weeks ago a sheep was attacked and killed, and eaten, in my vineyard. The farmer was understandably upset.

    It has left a mystery which has seen me turning to questions like that posed in this survey. What kind of animal could, and would, have the means and motive to do this to a fully grown large ewe?

    The options are:

    - Dog - apparently labradors are the worst for sheep attacks, but they rarely actually eat them
    - Wolf: wildwood wolf sanctuary isn’t far away but no reports of escapes
    - Big cat: we’re a few miles from Howletts zoo, but again no reports
    - Humans with a grudge: no evidence of clean knife wounds, but this was apparently the second time it’s happened and might they have taken it, got a dog to eat it, then put it back?

    Foxes? I'd imagine that they might take on a weakened sheep.
  • TazTaz Posts: 18,031
    edited May 9
    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    So it turns out Find Out Now aren't dodgy, they are more like Find Out First

    Pay attention to the ones they do/don’t caveat as they’ve added this caveat.

    This poll was initiated solely by Find Out Now and not funded by any third party
    Sorry, I am confused! Genuinely. Isn't this poll BMG?
    After the election last week shy Reformers seem to have decided fash is fine.

    Perhaps they have been replaced by shy Tories and Labourites.
    "Fash"

    Grow up. Do you honestly believe Reform under Nigel Farage are "fascist", or anything even close to it? Because they're not. Not at all. The comparison is juvenile and wanky and makes you sound like a 13 year old

    If a proper actual Fascist party approaches power in the UK you will bloody well notice it, but you will have no words to describe the exceptional nature of this evolution, because you used them all up on Reform
    The guys a complete spacker. Just ignore him. His politics is analogous to Rik from the Young ones. He also seems to get off on baiting you. Just ignore. Your experience here won’t be worse for it.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 27,063
    slade said:

    MattW said:

    MattW said:

    slade said:

    MattW said:

    Do we have anyone on PB from Kirklees?

    What do you think of the "Greenways"?

    (I'm reviewing a draft of a piece looking at making the Greenways properly accessible as the start of an alternative off-road travel network for walking, wheeling, cycling. They seem to have quite a lot of anti-wheelchair barriers of various sorts.)

    I'm happy to PM a link if anyone wants to comment.

    Yes. I was largely responsible for initiating one of them. But I don't think there is an issue you mention with that one.
    Would you like me to comment if I PM the link? It is at pre-final draft stage, so comments are helpful.
    Sorry - a bit of a typo there. I mean:


    Would you be interested in commenting if I PM the link? It is at pre-final draft stage, so comments are helpful. I try to talk as widely as possible - attempts just to impose things are asking for pushback, where they may not actually be any real disagreement.
    OK. I am at wd02@btopenworld.com
    Thank-you - I really appreciate that.

    I'm out for dinner, so I'll send an email later on.
  • TazTaz Posts: 18,031
    Big Poppa Pump, Scott Steiner, reckons he could take on 100 gorillas. If anyone can he can.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 31,601

    Farage is head and shoulders above everyone else as a political talent and there's a sense of inevitability about his march to Downing Street now.

    It's not like the SPD period when Britain faced serious problems, but the person with the solutions was already in power. Starmer is no Thatcher and instead embodies everything that's gone wrong.

    Come, come. Like myself you were shocked at the insanity of voting to leave the European Union. The joint architect of that calamity was Mr Farage. I don't particularly like Starmer, but until he lost his bottle we were both rooting for him to win us that second referendum.

    So when the gloves are off I am sure it will be pointed out that the character who "embodies everything that has gone wrong" is Captain Chaos Farage.
  • TresTres Posts: 2,843
    MattW said:

    I can add a question for a proper PB thread.

    Has President Trump f*cked the World Cup next year, that the USA, Canada and Mexico are co-hosting?

    Either:

    1 - People too scared to visit for the several reasons we know about, and don't.
    2 - Insufficient air transport capacity across the country for fans needing to get to cities they don't know about in advance, as it's determined by match results. There aren't exactly a lot of alternatives.
    3 - Some services having been gutted by Trump's destruction of the administrative State.
    4 - Border restrictions USA vs Mexico and Canada?
    5 - Given Trump & Co's incompetence, will be it like the 1936 Olympics run by the Marx Brothers?

    If yes, why? If not, why not?

    people were happy to go to russia and the middle east, why wouldn't they go to the us
  • RogerRoger Posts: 20,590
    MattW said:

    TimS said:

    I think I mentioned a couple of weeks ago a sheep was attacked and killed, and eaten, in my vineyard. The farmer was understandably upset.

    It has left a mystery which has seen me turning to questions like that posed in this survey. What kind of animal could, and would, have the means and motive to do this to a fully grown large ewe?

    The options are:

    - Dog - apparently labradors are the worst for sheep attacks, but they rarely actually eat them
    - Wolf: wildwood wolf sanctuary isn’t far away but no reports of escapes
    - Big cat: we’re a few miles from Howletts zoo, but again no reports
    - Humans with a grudge: no evidence of clean knife wounds, but this was apparently the second time it’s happened and might they have taken it, got a dog to eat it, then put it back?

    Wild boar, which have been know to attack sheep and would - as omnivores - potentially feast on a carcass? These are reestablished in the Weald.
    I was going to suggest Wild Boar. I saw one within five feet of me in the hills above Nice recently and there is evidence of them everywhere. Apparently they are know to attack lambs.
  • TazTaz Posts: 18,031
    isam said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    So it turns out Find Out Now aren't dodgy, they are more like Find Out First

    Pay attention to the ones they do/don’t caveat as they’ve added this caveat.

    This poll was initiated solely by Find Out Now and not funded by any third party
    Sorry, I am confused! Genuinely. Isn't this poll BMG?
    After the election last week shy Reformers seem to have decided fash is fine.

    Perhaps they have been replaced by shy Tories and Labourites.
    "Fash"

    Grow up. Do you honestly believe Reform under Nigel Farage are "fascist", or anything even close to it? Because they're not. Not at all. The comparison is juvenile and wanky and makes you sound like a 13 year old

    If a proper actual Fascist party approaches power in the UK you will bloody well notice it, but you will have no words to describe the exceptional nature of this evolution, because you used them all up on Reform
    As if calling someone a fascist on here would wound it’s target rather than prompt an eye roll at the pure wallyness of the name caller
    https://youtu.be/FaAJ1FlsEr0?si=sO4coPTpLvLfwju1
  • RogerRoger Posts: 20,590

    Roger said:

    Roger said:

    Farage is head and shoulders above everyone else as a political talent and there's a sense of inevitability about his march to Downing Street now.

    It's not like the SPD period when Britain faced serious problems, but the person with the solutions was already in power. Starmer is no Thatcher and instead embodies everything that's gone wrong.

    Completely inevitable. Do you fancy another £1,000 he doesn't?
    Starmer is no Margaret Thatcher, Starmer is no Edward Heath - Heath had integrity. But Farage is no Margaret Thatcher or Edward Heath either.
    So the wager sounds reasonable. We're both betting on losers. Let William and I send £1,000 each to PtP and we can get this show on the road.
    "Let me and William"
    They both work
  • TazTaz Posts: 18,031
    Roger said:

    MattW said:

    TimS said:

    I think I mentioned a couple of weeks ago a sheep was attacked and killed, and eaten, in my vineyard. The farmer was understandably upset.

    It has left a mystery which has seen me turning to questions like that posed in this survey. What kind of animal could, and would, have the means and motive to do this to a fully grown large ewe?

    The options are:

    - Dog - apparently labradors are the worst for sheep attacks, but they rarely actually eat them
    - Wolf: wildwood wolf sanctuary isn’t far away but no reports of escapes
    - Big cat: we’re a few miles from Howletts zoo, but again no reports
    - Humans with a grudge: no evidence of clean knife wounds, but this was apparently the second time it’s happened and might they have taken it, got a dog to eat it, then put it back?

    Wild boar, which have been know to attack sheep and would - as omnivores - potentially feast on a carcass? These are reestablished in the Weald.
    I was going to suggest Wild Boar. I saw one within five feet of me in the hills above Nice recently and there is evidence of them everywhere. Apparently they are know to attack lambs.
    I do like wild boar salami with fennel.

    Lush.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 59,741

    rcs1000 said:

    HYUFD said:

    isam said:

    Leon said:

    Foxy said:

    kinabalu said:

    Foxy said:

    kinabalu said:

    kinabalu said:

    Dan Hodges agrees with Kemi. Six weeks ago no tariffs on UK trade to USA, today 10%

    Bit harsh to blame Starmer for damage done by the leader of another country.
    Yea but the whiney old twat deserves every bit of opprobrium that can be poured on his boring freeby-grabbing head, even if it isn't his fault.
    Quite the opposite. He's a diligent dedicated man and deserves your support. By all means vote against Labour come the election but in the meantime get behind your Labour PM.
    Face up to it, he is a dud with no charisma, a poor communicator and has no discernable plan or vision other than crisis management. His crisis management being particularly problematic as he is the instigator of many of the government's crises, not least through having the equally poor Reeves as his sidekick.
    That's harsh but it's fair in two respects. He does lack charisma and he's a manager not a visionary. However a charismatic persona and a grand vision are imo overrated in politics compared to competence and good intentions. I'd always take the latter. And it's what we need. We're a free and prosperous country which could be better in many respects, not a broken shithole of a place.
    I agree on that. Britain is a lovely place to be on a day like this.

    I think the doom and gloom is heavily overdone by those plastic patriots determined to talk down the country.
    I've noticed a tendency among the kind of people who like to complain about misinformation to stubbornly cling to an idea of the way things are that is based purely on the way they would like things to be, or the way they imagine things to be, or even the way they remember that things used to be. They are impervious to anything that contradicts this, even if it is meticulously factual and supported by evidence from sources that they would normally regard as authoritative.
    Very true. The shoplifting argument was vivid evidence of this

    The blinkered centrist Dads insisting it's "always been like this", "I worked in retail a decade ago, nothing has changed"

    This despite PBers offering personal lived experience

    Even when we showed the Centrist Dads the actual hard evidence - a ten fold increase in shoplifting in ten years, according to the Economist - they then claimed they'd always accepted this, or they pretended that it was some statistical anomaly
    Same with immigration; centrist Dads are defending numbers they’d never have believed possible a decade ago, and calling people who want a return to coalition style figures of 250k ‘Fascists’
    Are they? I have genuinely no idea why the Tories (hardly centrist dads) presided over such a huge rise in net migration and I've literally not heard anyone on the centre left say that it was great. Indeed, most have simply pointed out the irony that it was Brexit that seems to have facilitated the surge. I mean, it is pretty funny.
    Personally I don't have strong feelings about immigration. I would just like to have a system that is fair and humane and balances competing imperatives of the labour market, fairness for existing workers, pressure on housing and infrastructure, allowing universities to meet global demand from students, and international obligations to help refugees. People on here bang on about it too much though, it's getting boring.
    Immigration is now starting to fall net after Rishi raised the wage requirement for visas and cut the ability of dependents to come in too
    Ironically among the skills we need is that of care workers and nurses who are paid nowhere near the levels Rishi set. Especially care workers.
    Care work, with all due respect, is not skilled work. Anyone can do it, it does not require any qualification. Ideally you'd want the people doing it to have certain qualities, eg being caring, but just dumping it on anyone who will take minimum wage is not a way to get that.

    If care homes want staff, they could offer significantly more than minimum wage, then they would find many people who want to do the job - but why work cleaning people's bums for minimum wage when you could do something far less gross, for more money, by eg working minimum wage plus tips in hospitality?
    The fundamental problem is that (a) most people in care homes have their bills paid for buy the local authority, (b) the number of people needing care homes grows every year, and (c) local councils have no money.

    Care homes have not been enormously profitable businesses: Four Seasons Health was one of the largest care home providers in the UK, and went bust in 2019. They ran 322 home and had 22,000 staff. Before then, Southern Cross Healthcare, which was the largest provider in the UK, went bust.
    Doesn't answer the point. All public services would be cheaper if we could just get people to work for minimum wage. Cut minimum wage and they'll be even cheaper still.

    Doesn't make "prepared to work for minimum wage" a special skill or qualification.

    To import people as a "missing skill" when that "skill" is "prepared to work for minimum wage" makes a mockery of the whole system.

    If wages go up, then authorities will just have to pay what they have to pay under service obligations, and the central government will have to adjust grants accordingly, and that will just have to be dealt with accordingly. Doesn't mean we need to import people prepared to work for minimum wage and call that a skill.
    I think that's fair: I was really just emphasizing why there has been so much pressure from local authorities on the central government to allow lots of unskilled labour in.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 53,952
    Roger said:

    Roger said:

    Roger said:

    Farage is head and shoulders above everyone else as a political talent and there's a sense of inevitability about his march to Downing Street now.

    It's not like the SPD period when Britain faced serious problems, but the person with the solutions was already in power. Starmer is no Thatcher and instead embodies everything that's gone wrong.

    Completely inevitable. Do you fancy another £1,000 he doesn't?
    Starmer is no Margaret Thatcher, Starmer is no Edward Heath - Heath had integrity. But Farage is no Margaret Thatcher or Edward Heath either.
    So the wager sounds reasonable. We're both betting on losers. Let William and I send £1,000 each to PtP and we can get this show on the road.
    "Let me and William"
    They both work
    No, because you and William are the OBJECT of the "Letting".
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 98,739

    Roger said:

    Roger said:

    Roger said:

    Farage is head and shoulders above everyone else as a political talent and there's a sense of inevitability about his march to Downing Street now.

    It's not like the SPD period when Britain faced serious problems, but the person with the solutions was already in power. Starmer is no Thatcher and instead embodies everything that's gone wrong.

    Completely inevitable. Do you fancy another £1,000 he doesn't?
    Starmer is no Margaret Thatcher, Starmer is no Edward Heath - Heath had integrity. But Farage is no Margaret Thatcher or Edward Heath either.
    So the wager sounds reasonable. We're both betting on losers. Let William and I send £1,000 each to PtP and we can get this show on the road.
    "Let me and William"
    They both work
    No, because you and William are the OBJECT of the "Letting".
    The meaning was perfectly clear, how is it improved by insisting on only one 'proper' way? Language evolves.
  • TazTaz Posts: 18,031

    Roger said:

    Roger said:

    Roger said:

    Farage is head and shoulders above everyone else as a political talent and there's a sense of inevitability about his march to Downing Street now.

    It's not like the SPD period when Britain faced serious problems, but the person with the solutions was already in power. Starmer is no Thatcher and instead embodies everything that's gone wrong.

    Completely inevitable. Do you fancy another £1,000 he doesn't?
    Starmer is no Margaret Thatcher, Starmer is no Edward Heath - Heath had integrity. But Farage is no Margaret Thatcher or Edward Heath either.
    So the wager sounds reasonable. We're both betting on losers. Let William and I send £1,000 each to PtP and we can get this show on the road.
    "Let me and William"
    They both work
    No, because you and William are the OBJECT of the "Letting".
    Hey Sunil,

    Have you travelled on the new Metro rolling stock in Newcastle yet ?

    I did on Tuesday. Neither impressed nor unimpressed.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 53,952
    kle4 said:

    Roger said:

    Roger said:

    Roger said:

    Farage is head and shoulders above everyone else as a political talent and there's a sense of inevitability about his march to Downing Street now.

    It's not like the SPD period when Britain faced serious problems, but the person with the solutions was already in power. Starmer is no Thatcher and instead embodies everything that's gone wrong.

    Completely inevitable. Do you fancy another £1,000 he doesn't?
    Starmer is no Margaret Thatcher, Starmer is no Edward Heath - Heath had integrity. But Farage is no Margaret Thatcher or Edward Heath either.
    So the wager sounds reasonable. We're both betting on losers. Let William and I send £1,000 each to PtP and we can get this show on the road.
    "Let me and William"
    They both work
    No, because you and William are the OBJECT of the "Letting".
    The meaning was perfectly clear, how is it improved by insisting on only one 'proper' way? Language evolves.
    I feel like the Centurion in Life of Brian!

    Which is correct?

    "Let me send £1000 to PtP."

    "Let I send £1000 to PtP."
  • isamisam Posts: 41,555
    edited May 9
    Betfair Exchange have added "Overall Majority" to their General Election markets. No money there and wide spreads, but looks like NOM is odds on

    Conservatives 12/1!

    https://www.betfair.com/exchange/plus/politics/market/1.243393188
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 31,601

    kle4 said:

    Roger said:

    Roger said:

    Roger said:

    Farage is head and shoulders above everyone else as a political talent and there's a sense of inevitability about his march to Downing Street now.

    It's not like the SPD period when Britain faced serious problems, but the person with the solutions was already in power. Starmer is no Thatcher and instead embodies everything that's gone wrong.

    Completely inevitable. Do you fancy another £1,000 he doesn't?
    Starmer is no Margaret Thatcher, Starmer is no Edward Heath - Heath had integrity. But Farage is no Margaret Thatcher or Edward Heath either.
    So the wager sounds reasonable. We're both betting on losers. Let William and I send £1,000 each to PtP and we can get this show on the road.
    "Let me and William"
    They both work
    No, because you and William are the OBJECT of the "Letting".
    The meaning was perfectly clear, how is it improved by insisting on only one 'proper' way? Language evolves.
    I feel like the Centurion in Life of Brian!

    Which is correct?

    "Let me send £1000 to PtP."

    "Let I send £1000 to PtP."
    I think you might have made a commitment! Twice.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 55,297

    They say that truth is the first casualty of war.

    However, in South Asia, it seems to be the cricket.

    Which, let’s face it, is a lot more serious.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 51,376
    isam said:

    Betfair Exchange have added "Overall Majority" to their General Election markets. No money there and wide spreads, but looks like NOM is odds on

    Conservatives 12/1!

    https://www.betfair.com/exchange/plus/politics/market/1.243393188

    A screaming lay?
  • EabhalEabhal Posts: 10,448
    IanB2 said:

    Having my pizza in the garden while the relentless Scottish sun beats down, not due to set to well after 9pm today - in early May already only a few minutes short of the latest sunset I will be getting in late June back on the island. It’s still hot enough that the dog is choosing to sit in the shade.

    It continues to amaze that after such a tumultuous six political years, some PB’ers seem to think the wind is now set and nothing further of significance will change until the election a whole four long years hence.

    My firm prediction is that there will be further, dramatic, currently unexpected significant change. Being currently unexpected, I don’t know what they will be.

    Change your avatar to Donald Rumsfeld.
  • TazTaz Posts: 18,031
    IanB2 said:

    Having my pizza in the garden while the relentless Scottish sun beats down, not due to set to well after 9pm today - in early May already only a few minutes short of the latest sunset I will be getting in late June back on the island. It’s still hot enough that the dog is choosing to sit in the shade.

    It continues to amaze that after such a tumultuous six political years, some PB’ers seem to think the wind is now set and nothing further of significance will change until the election a whole four long years hence.

    My firm prediction is that there will be further, dramatic, currently unexpected significant change. Being currently unexpected, I don’t know what they will be.

    We’ve got a pizza too. M&S. fennel and salami.
  • BartholomewRobertsBartholomewRoberts Posts: 23,666
    IanB2 said:

    isam said:

    Betfair Exchange have added "Overall Majority" to their General Election markets. No money there and wide spreads, but looks like NOM is odds on

    Conservatives 12/1!

    https://www.betfair.com/exchange/plus/politics/market/1.243393188

    A screaming lay?
    QTWAIN.

    That's a 7.5% return if they don't get a majority in 4 years time, less than 2% per annum, doesn't even meet inflation.

    And in the extremely unlikely, but entirely possible, event that they do actually get a majority then you lose your stake, all to try to get a return below inflation.

    Avoid.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 54,509
    rcs1000 said:

    rcs1000 said:

    HYUFD said:

    isam said:

    Leon said:

    Foxy said:

    kinabalu said:

    Foxy said:

    kinabalu said:

    kinabalu said:

    Dan Hodges agrees with Kemi. Six weeks ago no tariffs on UK trade to USA, today 10%

    Bit harsh to blame Starmer for damage done by the leader of another country.
    Yea but the whiney old twat deserves every bit of opprobrium that can be poured on his boring freeby-grabbing head, even if it isn't his fault.
    Quite the opposite. He's a diligent dedicated man and deserves your support. By all means vote against Labour come the election but in the meantime get behind your Labour PM.
    Face up to it, he is a dud with no charisma, a poor communicator and has no discernable plan or vision other than crisis management. His crisis management being particularly problematic as he is the instigator of many of the government's crises, not least through having the equally poor Reeves as his sidekick.
    That's harsh but it's fair in two respects. He does lack charisma and he's a manager not a visionary. However a charismatic persona and a grand vision are imo overrated in politics compared to competence and good intentions. I'd always take the latter. And it's what we need. We're a free and prosperous country which could be better in many respects, not a broken shithole of a place.
    I agree on that. Britain is a lovely place to be on a day like this.

    I think the doom and gloom is heavily overdone by those plastic patriots determined to talk down the country.
    I've noticed a tendency among the kind of people who like to complain about misinformation to stubbornly cling to an idea of the way things are that is based purely on the way they would like things to be, or the way they imagine things to be, or even the way they remember that things used to be. They are impervious to anything that contradicts this, even if it is meticulously factual and supported by evidence from sources that they would normally regard as authoritative.
    Very true. The shoplifting argument was vivid evidence of this

    The blinkered centrist Dads insisting it's "always been like this", "I worked in retail a decade ago, nothing has changed"

    This despite PBers offering personal lived experience

    Even when we showed the Centrist Dads the actual hard evidence - a ten fold increase in shoplifting in ten years, according to the Economist - they then claimed they'd always accepted this, or they pretended that it was some statistical anomaly
    Same with immigration; centrist Dads are defending numbers they’d never have believed possible a decade ago, and calling people who want a return to coalition style figures of 250k ‘Fascists’
    Are they? I have genuinely no idea why the Tories (hardly centrist dads) presided over such a huge rise in net migration and I've literally not heard anyone on the centre left say that it was great. Indeed, most have simply pointed out the irony that it was Brexit that seems to have facilitated the surge. I mean, it is pretty funny.
    Personally I don't have strong feelings about immigration. I would just like to have a system that is fair and humane and balances competing imperatives of the labour market, fairness for existing workers, pressure on housing and infrastructure, allowing universities to meet global demand from students, and international obligations to help refugees. People on here bang on about it too much though, it's getting boring.
    Immigration is now starting to fall net after Rishi raised the wage requirement for visas and cut the ability of dependents to come in too
    Ironically among the skills we need is that of care workers and nurses who are paid nowhere near the levels Rishi set. Especially care workers.
    Care work, with all due respect, is not skilled work. Anyone can do it, it does not require any qualification. Ideally you'd want the people doing it to have certain qualities, eg being caring, but just dumping it on anyone who will take minimum wage is not a way to get that.

    If care homes want staff, they could offer significantly more than minimum wage, then they would find many people who want to do the job - but why work cleaning people's bums for minimum wage when you could do something far less gross, for more money, by eg working minimum wage plus tips in hospitality?
    The fundamental problem is that (a) most people in care homes have their bills paid for buy the local authority, (b) the number of people needing care homes grows every year, and (c) local councils have no money.

    Care homes have not been enormously profitable businesses: Four Seasons Health was one of the largest care home providers in the UK, and went bust in 2019. They ran 322 home and had 22,000 staff. Before then, Southern Cross Healthcare, which was the largest provider in the UK, went bust.
    Doesn't answer the point. All public services would be cheaper if we could just get people to work for minimum wage. Cut minimum wage and they'll be even cheaper still.

    Doesn't make "prepared to work for minimum wage" a special skill or qualification.

    To import people as a "missing skill" when that "skill" is "prepared to work for minimum wage" makes a mockery of the whole system.

    If wages go up, then authorities will just have to pay what they have to pay under service obligations, and the central government will have to adjust grants accordingly, and that will just have to be dealt with accordingly. Doesn't mean we need to import people prepared to work for minimum wage and call that a skill.
    I think that's fair: I was really just emphasizing why there has been so much pressure from local authorities on the central government to allow lots of unskilled labour in.
    I have a solution to the care crisis. We should pay the Libyan Coastguard to give us all the refugees they are stockpiling. We could then employ them for nothing, apart from room and board. This would extra awesome, since it would really reduce the costs.

    I demand a statue. In Bristol.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 54,827
    edited May 9
    Scott_xP said:

    Senile Old Man ranting at the TV again

    https://x.com/ProjectLincoln/status/1920887571741090256

    It's all about ratings with Trump. He has no other point of reference, even whilst destroying the economy.

    The only thing that will get to him is when most people turn off when he appears on the TV.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 51,376
    One thing that annoys me is the northern lights.

    This year, above average sunspot activity has allowed them to be seen way much further south than is usual.

    But, despite periodic alerts from the aurora watch app, where I live, to the south of the highest point on the island, there’s no chance of my seeing them from home. Being able to grow olives and have wall lizards and bougainvillea in my garden is my only consolation.

    During my Atlantic crossing last autumn, one of the days coincided with significant aurora activity, but I’d closed my cabin curtains and didn’t trouble to look out before bed. Next morning, the Internet was awash with dramatic photos taken from the ship.

    Up here in Scotland, I’ve stayed in places with great open sky views to the north. But the sunspots have failed to deliver. Tonight, there’s a sign of a small buildup, but it wont be dark for a few hours yet. Will it deliver?
  • PJHPJH Posts: 836
    On Reform, one thing that nobody is taking into account that it's a One Man Band. Nobody is considering whether Farage has the health or energy for 4 years' slog until the next GE.

    He is 61 but looks 5-10 years older than Starmer, who is actually 2 years his senior. PB was discussing the effect of ageing in our 50s/60s earlier; he himself has hinted that the impact of his air crash has taken its toll on his physical health. What happens if he isn't fit enough to continue? There must be a significant chance of this.

    There is nobody else in Reform to take over (deliberately). How is the Pim Fortuyn List doing these days?
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 51,376

    IanB2 said:

    isam said:

    Betfair Exchange have added "Overall Majority" to their General Election markets. No money there and wide spreads, but looks like NOM is odds on

    Conservatives 12/1!

    https://www.betfair.com/exchange/plus/politics/market/1.243393188

    A screaming lay?
    QTWAIN.

    That's a 7.5% return if they don't get a majority in 4 years time, less than 2% per annum, doesn't even meet inflation.

    And in the extremely unlikely, but entirely possible, event that they do actually get a majority then you lose your stake, all to try to get a return below inflation.

    Avoid.
    You don’t think, as the Trump slump spreads around the world, interest rates will soon be back to near zero?
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 30,047
    Andy_JS said:
    Siri. Show me out of touch.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 54,827
    PJH said:

    On Reform, one thing that nobody is taking into account that it's a One Man Band. Nobody is considering whether Farage has the health or energy for 4 years' slog until the next GE.

    He is 61 but looks 5-10 years older than Starmer, who is actually 2 years his senior. PB was discussing the effect of ageing in our 50s/60s earlier; he himself has hinted that the impact of his air crash has taken its toll on his physical health. What happens if he isn't fit enough to continue? There must be a significant chance of this.

    There is nobody else in Reform to take over (deliberately). How is the Pim Fortuyn List doing these days?

    The really interesting thing is if he does collapse, to what extent do the Tories benefit? Expectations of their demise may be well short of the mark. That anger at Labour has to go somewhere.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 51,376

    PJH said:

    On Reform, one thing that nobody is taking into account that it's a One Man Band. Nobody is considering whether Farage has the health or energy for 4 years' slog until the next GE.

    He is 61 but looks 5-10 years older than Starmer, who is actually 2 years his senior. PB was discussing the effect of ageing in our 50s/60s earlier; he himself has hinted that the impact of his air crash has taken its toll on his physical health. What happens if he isn't fit enough to continue? There must be a significant chance of this.

    There is nobody else in Reform to take over (deliberately). How is the Pim Fortuyn List doing these days?

    The really interesting thing is if he does collapse, to what extent do the Tories benefit? Expectations of their demise may be well short of the mark. That anger at Labour has to go somewhere.
    LD majority, nailed on?
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 34,785
    PJH said:

    On Reform, one thing that nobody is taking into account that it's a One Man Band. Nobody is considering whether Farage has the health or energy for 4 years' slog until the next GE.

    He is 61 but looks 5-10 years older than Starmer, who is actually 2 years his senior. PB was discussing the effect of ageing in our 50s/60s earlier; he himself has hinted that the impact of his air crash has taken its toll on his physical health. What happens if he isn't fit enough to continue? There must be a significant chance of this.

    There is nobody else in Reform to take over (deliberately). How is the Pim Fortuyn List doing these days?

    Farage looked a bit younger than his age until about 2015. Can't think what's happened since then except Brexit.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 31,601
    edited May 9

    PJH said:

    On Reform, one thing that nobody is taking into account that it's a One Man Band. Nobody is considering whether Farage has the health or energy for 4 years' slog until the next GE.

    He is 61 but looks 5-10 years older than Starmer, who is actually 2 years his senior. PB was discussing the effect of ageing in our 50s/60s earlier; he himself has hinted that the impact of his air crash has taken its toll on his physical health. What happens if he isn't fit enough to continue? There must be a significant chance of this.

    There is nobody else in Reform to take over (deliberately). How is the Pim Fortuyn List doing these days?

    The really interesting thing is if he does collapse, to what extent do the Tories benefit? Expectations of their demise may be well short of the mark. That anger at Labour has to go somewhere.
    Lib Dems?

    I believe you might be underestimating the utter hatred for the Tories. They have dropped the ball.

    Labour if they get something right they could improve. Granted, with yesterday's disastrous capitulation (although duly noted only by Kemi and Dan Hodges) that is looking a long way off.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 53,952
    Taz said:

    IanB2 said:

    Having my pizza in the garden while the relentless Scottish sun beats down, not due to set to well after 9pm today - in early May already only a few minutes short of the latest sunset I will be getting in late June back on the island. It’s still hot enough that the dog is choosing to sit in the shade.

    It continues to amaze that after such a tumultuous six political years, some PB’ers seem to think the wind is now set and nothing further of significance will change until the election a whole four long years hence.

    My firm prediction is that there will be further, dramatic, currently unexpected significant change. Being currently unexpected, I don’t know what they will be.

    We’ve got a pizza too. M&S. fennel and salami.
    I had an ASDA Wensleydale Cheese, Petits Pois, and Red Pepper quiche for lunch. Wasn't half bad, actually :)
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 77,213
    Taz said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    So it turns out Find Out Now aren't dodgy, they are more like Find Out First

    Pay attention to the ones they do/don’t caveat as they’ve added this caveat.

    This poll was initiated solely by Find Out Now and not funded by any third party
    Sorry, I am confused! Genuinely. Isn't this poll BMG?
    After the election last week shy Reformers seem to have decided fash is fine.

    Perhaps they have been replaced by shy Tories and Labourites.
    "Fash"

    Grow up. Do you honestly believe Reform under Nigel Farage are "fascist", or anything even close to it? Because they're not. Not at all. The comparison is juvenile and wanky and makes you sound like a 13 year old

    If a proper actual Fascist party approaches power in the UK you will bloody well notice it, but you will have no words to describe the exceptional nature of this evolution, because you used them all up on Reform
    The guys a complete spacker. Just ignore him. His politics is analogous to Rik from the Young ones. He also seems to get off on baiting you. Just ignore. Your experience here won’t be worse for it.
    You're concerned about someone baiting Leon ?

    That's the ultimate in snowflakery.

    Leon couldn't give a hoot about political criticism. It's only the personal stuff which occasionally riles him (as with all of us).
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 51,376

    PJH said:

    On Reform, one thing that nobody is taking into account that it's a One Man Band. Nobody is considering whether Farage has the health or energy for 4 years' slog until the next GE.

    He is 61 but looks 5-10 years older than Starmer, who is actually 2 years his senior. PB was discussing the effect of ageing in our 50s/60s earlier; he himself has hinted that the impact of his air crash has taken its toll on his physical health. What happens if he isn't fit enough to continue? There must be a significant chance of this.

    There is nobody else in Reform to take over (deliberately). How is the Pim Fortuyn List doing these days?

    The really interesting thing is if he does collapse, to what extent do the Tories benefit? Expectations of their demise may be well short of the mark. That anger at Labour has to go somewhere.
    Lib Dems?

    I believe you might be underestimating the utter hatred for the Tories. They have dropped the ball.
    If your USP is being competent (well, at least being more so than your rivals) and financially prudent, best not destroy your USP by electing a series of palpably incompetent and financially incontinent leaders, eh?
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 53,952
    Taz said:

    Roger said:

    Roger said:

    Roger said:

    Farage is head and shoulders above everyone else as a political talent and there's a sense of inevitability about his march to Downing Street now.

    It's not like the SPD period when Britain faced serious problems, but the person with the solutions was already in power. Starmer is no Thatcher and instead embodies everything that's gone wrong.

    Completely inevitable. Do you fancy another £1,000 he doesn't?
    Starmer is no Margaret Thatcher, Starmer is no Edward Heath - Heath had integrity. But Farage is no Margaret Thatcher or Edward Heath either.
    So the wager sounds reasonable. We're both betting on losers. Let William and I send £1,000 each to PtP and we can get this show on the road.
    "Let me and William"
    They both work
    No, because you and William are the OBJECT of the "Letting".
    Hey Sunil,

    Have you travelled on the new Metro rolling stock in Newcastle yet ?

    I did on Tuesday. Neither impressed nor unimpressed.
    No, not yet done the Class 555 (yes, they actually have a "mainline" class designation!), but thanks for the heads up! Was last in the Toon back in January to do the Ashington branch line. But my last ride on the Metro must have been back in October '23.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 65,795
    edited May 9

    Taz said:

    IanB2 said:

    Having my pizza in the garden while the relentless Scottish sun beats down, not due to set to well after 9pm today - in early May already only a few minutes short of the latest sunset I will be getting in late June back on the island. It’s still hot enough that the dog is choosing to sit in the shade.

    It continues to amaze that after such a tumultuous six political years, some PB’ers seem to think the wind is now set and nothing further of significance will change until the election a whole four long years hence.

    My firm prediction is that there will be further, dramatic, currently unexpected significant change. Being currently unexpected, I don’t know what they will be.

    We’ve got a pizza too. M&S. fennel and salami.
    I had an ASDA Wensleydale Cheese, Petits Pois, and Red Pepper quiche for lunch. Wasn't half bad, actually :)
    Just about to head out to pick up my take-away curry. Karahi Aloo Channa.

    Edit:: Controversially, I am going to use cash!

  • solarflaresolarflare Posts: 3,960
    Yes, but what I really want to know is what political parties these geese and gorillas are voting for.
  • isamisam Posts: 41,555
    edited May 9
    PJH said:

    On Reform, one thing that nobody is taking into account that it's a One Man Band. Nobody is considering whether Farage has the health or energy for 4 years' slog until the next GE.

    He is 61 but looks 5-10 years older than Starmer, who is actually 2 years his senior. PB was discussing the effect of ageing in our 50s/60s earlier; he himself has hinted that the impact of his air crash has taken its toll on his physical health. What happens if he isn't fit enough to continue? There must be a significant chance of this.

    There is nobody else in Reform to take over (deliberately). How is the Pim Fortuyn List doing these days?

    Likes a drink and a fag too.

    Mind you I think he looks fitter than he used to recently, lost a bit of weight. I was amazed how trim he looked in celebrity jungle, whereas Starmer is a proper porker. I wouldn’t say he looked younger than Farage
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 31,601
    Taz said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    So it turns out Find Out Now aren't dodgy, they are more like Find Out First

    Pay attention to the ones they do/don’t caveat as they’ve added this caveat.

    This poll was initiated solely by Find Out Now and not funded by any third party
    Sorry, I am confused! Genuinely. Isn't this poll BMG?
    After the election last week shy Reformers seem to have decided fash is fine.

    Perhaps they have been replaced by shy Tories and Labourites.
    "Fash"

    Grow up. Do you honestly believe Reform under Nigel Farage are "fascist", or anything even close to it? Because they're not. Not at all. The comparison is juvenile and wanky and makes you sound like a 13 year old

    If a proper actual Fascist party approaches power in the UK you will bloody well notice it, but you will have no words to describe the exceptional nature of this evolution, because you used them all up on Reform
    The guys a complete spacker. Just ignore him. His politics is analogous to Rik from the Young ones. He also seems to get off on baiting you. Just ignore. Your experience here won’t be worse for it.
    What is a spacker? Should I be offended or should I just ignore you as usual?
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 44,205

    Taz said:

    IanB2 said:

    Having my pizza in the garden while the relentless Scottish sun beats down, not due to set to well after 9pm today - in early May already only a few minutes short of the latest sunset I will be getting in late June back on the island. It’s still hot enough that the dog is choosing to sit in the shade.

    It continues to amaze that after such a tumultuous six political years, some PB’ers seem to think the wind is now set and nothing further of significance will change until the election a whole four long years hence.

    My firm prediction is that there will be further, dramatic, currently unexpected significant change. Being currently unexpected, I don’t know what they will be.

    We’ve got a pizza too. M&S. fennel and salami.
    I had an ASDA Wensleydale Cheese, Petits Pois, and Red Pepper quiche for lunch. Wasn't half bad, actually :)
    Just about to head out to pick up my take-away curry. Karahi Aloo Channa.

    Edit:: Controversially, I am going to use cash!

    Lamb Bhoona, Achari Chicken and South Indian Garlic Chicken in our house
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 53,952
    Mel Stride fronting a PPB just now. Even he's a better speaker than the Kembot!
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 51,376
    edited May 9
    Nigelb said:

    Taz said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    So it turns out Find Out Now aren't dodgy, they are more like Find Out First

    Pay attention to the ones they do/don’t caveat as they’ve added this caveat.

    This poll was initiated solely by Find Out Now and not funded by any third party
    Sorry, I am confused! Genuinely. Isn't this poll BMG?
    After the election last week shy Reformers seem to have decided fash is fine.

    Perhaps they have been replaced by shy Tories and Labourites.
    "Fash"

    Grow up. Do you honestly believe Reform under Nigel Farage are "fascist", or anything even close to it? Because they're not. Not at all. The comparison is juvenile and wanky and makes you sound like a 13 year old

    If a proper actual Fascist party approaches power in the UK you will bloody well notice it, but you will have no words to describe the exceptional nature of this evolution, because you used them all up on Reform
    The guys a complete spacker. Just ignore him. His politics is analogous to Rik from the Young ones. He also seems to get off on baiting you. Just ignore. Your experience here won’t be worse for it.
    You're concerned about someone baiting Leon ?

    That's the ultimate in snowflakery.

    Leon couldn't give a hoot about political criticism. It's only the personal stuff which occasionally riles him (as with all of us).
    I suspect he’s off carrying on with his AI ‘alcoholic girlfriend’ (a snip at just £20 a month) and not the least bit interested with what’s going down on PB right now?
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 121,872
    The seaman's semen appears to have gotten him into trouble.

    The head of the Royal Navy has been suspended over claims he had an affair with a subordinate, sources have disclosed.

    Admiral Sir Ben Key, 59, a married father of three, was told to “step back from all duties” while an investigation is carried out, it is understood.

    It is the first time in the Royal Navy’s 500-year history that its first sea lord has faced a misconduct inquiry.


    https://www.thetimes.com/uk/politics/article/head-royal-navy-suspended-affair-pfbm3m9jq
  • MustaphaMondeoMustaphaMondeo Posts: 292
    So if I like a dish should I like the post?

    Tricky.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 51,376
    Chris said:

    I think it depends entirely whether any of the men are William Shatner.

    image

    I remember that episode! I watched it as a teenager and even way back then spotted how loaded its intended messages were.
  • nico67nico67 Posts: 5,362
    dixiedean said:

    Andy_JS said:
    Siri. Show me out of touch.
    The last one was a half baked scheme . And they’re trying to resurrect this as they desperately chase Reform voters and pensioners most of whom never did NS but think the youth of today aren’t up to much.
  • StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 9,911
    kinabalu said:

    Sorry, I don’t have the energy this afternoon to write a proper PB thread.

    Please enjoy this thread.

    A thread's a thread in my book and this is no exception.

    So one in fifty think they could take down a lion? Wow. There's some tough nuts out there.
    That’s about the test level - 3% of Americans believe they have been decapitated
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 31,601
    Chris said:

    I think it depends entirely whether any of the men are William Shatner.

    image

    Shatner suggested yesterday that the USA should become Canada's fourteenth state.
  • solarflaresolarflare Posts: 3,960

    kinabalu said:

    Sorry, I don’t have the energy this afternoon to write a proper PB thread.

    Please enjoy this thread.

    A thread's a thread in my book and this is no exception.

    So one in fifty think they could take down a lion? Wow. There's some tough nuts out there.
    That’s about the test level - 3% of Americans believe they have been decapitated
    Is it the same cohort as the lion victors?
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 31,601
    edited May 9

    Chris said:

    I think it depends entirely whether any of the men are William Shatner.

    image

    Shatner suggested yesterday that the USA should become Canada's fourteenth* state.
    *He said eleventh, but I've included all the provinces and territories.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 51,533
    edited May 9
    Chris said:

    I think it depends entirely whether any of the men are William Shatner.

    image

    Didn't Kirk seriously wound the Gorn (though showed mercy and refused to kill) by constructing a gun out of bamboo like plants and home made gunpowder?

    Therefore not unarmed.

  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 51,376
    edited May 9
    As I’ve been on the road to the Trossachs today, here’s a photo from sunny yesterday. A sad picture of a deserted settlement, its
    residents all having been driven away in the 19th century, so that their landlords could instead make money from sheep farming. Many of them went to Australia, and on the way back I was lucky enough to meet a bunch of Australians in search of where their family had originally come from.

    No dog for scale; lifting him up onto the walls would have been gratuitous. He’s just below the photo, and you already know how big he is.
  • TazTaz Posts: 18,031
    edited May 9
    Nigelb said:

    Taz said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    So it turns out Find Out Now aren't dodgy, they are more like Find Out First

    Pay attention to the ones they do/don’t caveat as they’ve added this caveat.

    This poll was initiated solely by Find Out Now and not funded by any third party
    Sorry, I am confused! Genuinely. Isn't this poll BMG?
    After the election last week shy Reformers seem to have decided fash is fine.

    Perhaps they have been replaced by shy Tories and Labourites.
    "Fash"

    Grow up. Do you honestly believe Reform under Nigel Farage are "fascist", or anything even close to it? Because they're not. Not at all. The comparison is juvenile and wanky and makes you sound like a 13 year old

    If a proper actual Fascist party approaches power in the UK you will bloody well notice it, but you will have no words to describe the exceptional nature of this evolution, because you used them all up on Reform
    The guys a complete spacker. Just ignore him. His politics is analogous to Rik from the Young ones. He also seems to get off on baiting you. Just ignore. Your experience here won’t be worse for it.
    You're concerned about someone baiting Leon ?

    That's the ultimate in snowflakery.

    Leon couldn't give a hoot about political criticism. It's only the personal stuff which occasionally riles him (as with all of us).
    No shit, Sherlock. Any other pearls of wisdumb. Yeah, I’m gravely concerned. It stresses me greatly. I spend my every waking moment fretting about it. 😂😂😂
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