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Badger versus baboon: The sequel – politicalbetting.com

SystemSystem Posts: 12,459
edited May 9 in General
Badger versus baboon: The sequel – politicalbetting.com

Who would win in a fight: 100 unarmed men or a silverback gorilla – we polled last week's viral Twitter debate100 unarmed men: 35%Silverback gorilla: 43%yougov.co.uk/topics/socie…

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  • LennonLennon Posts: 1,810
    First. Like the Gorilla
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 45,023

    Sorry, I don’t have the energy this afternoon to write a proper PB thread.

    Please enjoy this thread.

    A thread's a thread in my book and this is no exception.

    So one in fifty think they could take down a lion? Wow. There's some tough nuts out there.
  • FossFoss Posts: 1,470
    Assuming they all rushed in at once, the men.

    Just.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 53,931
    How about a blood-sucking lawyer versus a baboon? :lol:
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 53,931
    kinabalu said:

    Sorry, I don’t have the energy this afternoon to write a proper PB thread.

    Please enjoy this thread.

    A thread's a thread in my book and this is no exception.

    So one in fifty think they could take down a lion? Wow. There's some tough nuts out there.
    Russell Crowe took down a tiger in the original (and best) Gladiator.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 54,794
    kinabalu said:

    Sorry, I don’t have the energy this afternoon to write a proper PB thread.

    Please enjoy this thread.

    A thread's a thread in my book and this is no exception.

    So one in fifty think they could take down a lion? Wow. There's some tough nuts out there.
    There's 2% nuts for sure.

    However:

    https://www.natureworldnews.com/articles/50349/20220416/human-vs-beast-man-allegedly-kills-lion-bare-hands-uganda.htm#:~:text=A man successfully killed a,a brutal fight in Uganda.
  • noneoftheabovenoneoftheabove Posts: 24,481

    kinabalu said:

    Sorry, I don’t have the energy this afternoon to write a proper PB thread.

    Please enjoy this thread.

    A thread's a thread in my book and this is no exception.

    So one in fifty think they could take down a lion? Wow. There's some tough nuts out there.
    Russell Crowe took down a tiger in the original (and best) Gladiator.
    Original? Bloody hell, I knew he was old but didn't figure him to be from the Roman era.
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 22,819
    Foss said:

    Assuming they all rushed in at once, the men.

    Just.

    But nobody would want to be first to reach the gorilla. They'd all just stand there, ready to run.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 53,931

    kinabalu said:

    Sorry, I don’t have the energy this afternoon to write a proper PB thread.

    Please enjoy this thread.

    A thread's a thread in my book and this is no exception.

    So one in fifty think they could take down a lion? Wow. There's some tough nuts out there.
    Russell Crowe took down a tiger in the original (and best) Gladiator.
    Original? Bloody hell, I knew he was old but didn't figure him to be from the Roman era.
    It's a reference to Gladiator II.
  • noneoftheabovenoneoftheabove Posts: 24,481
    kinabalu said:

    Sorry, I don’t have the energy this afternoon to write a proper PB thread.

    Please enjoy this thread.

    A thread's a thread in my book and this is no exception.

    So one in fifty think they could take down a lion? Wow. There's some tough nuts out there.
    It doesn't specify which lion. A new born lion is 1.5kg and blind......just saying......
  • MoonRabbitMoonRabbit Posts: 14,184
    How long afterwards the victor dies from its wounds for it not to be a draw?
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 51,526
    edited May 9
    Foss said:

    Assuming they all rushed in at once, the men.

    Just.

    All it takes is one intelligent man, to discern what the conflict is, and to resolve it. Gorillas are by nature gentle vegetarians and only violent if threatened.

    Otherwise we are dealing with 101 apes, one much more powerful.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 54,794

    How about a blood-sucking lawyer versus a baboon? :lol:

    Pay per view...
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 34,747
    34% don't think they could triumph over a house cat?
  • LeonLeon Posts: 60,429
    Thank God for a new thread. Otherwise I would have been forced to read all 9,000 words of @kinabalu's attempt at *screenwriting humour*, which would have resulted in the Cringe Death of the Universe
  • FossFoss Posts: 1,470
    edited May 9
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 53,931

    How long afterwards the victor dies from its wounds for it not to be a draw?

    Hmmm... Russell Crowe did defeat Joaquin Phoenix, but then promptly died from his wounds.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 54,794
    Andy_JS said:

    34% don't think they could triumph over a house cat?

    Once shared a house with a pyscho-cat called Harry.

    Those 34% have met Harry.
  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 18,533
    Unusual party split, with Conservative voters as the more bonkers outliers:



    Maybe they are thinking of the way that 100 men in grey suits brought down Boris the Silverback gorilla.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 60,429
    edited May 9
    🚨 REFORM TAKES 10-POINT LEAD IN NEW POLL 🚨

    @BMGResearch
    survey for
    @theipaper
    shows:

    Reform 32%
    Labour 22%
    Tories 19%
    Lib Dems 13%
    Greens 9%

    BMG's Rob Struthers says: "Some polls make you do a double-take. This is one of them."



    We are witnessing something pretty extraordinary here. This is potentially a quiet revolution. A Very British Tipping Point
  • scampi25scampi25 Posts: 124
    carnforth said:
    It's interesting that every time people talk about peak Reform they poll ever higher.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 45,023

    kinabalu said:

    Sorry, I don’t have the energy this afternoon to write a proper PB thread.

    Please enjoy this thread.

    A thread's a thread in my book and this is no exception.

    So one in fifty think they could take down a lion? Wow. There's some tough nuts out there.
    There's 2% nuts for sure.

    However:

    https://www.natureworldnews.com/articles/50349/20220416/human-vs-beast-man-allegedly-kills-lion-bare-hands-uganda.htm#:~:text=A man successfully killed a,a brutal fight in Uganda.
    I'd run a mile if I came across a lion. Although I guess that's being optimistic.
  • noneoftheabovenoneoftheabove Posts: 24,481
    Leon said:

    🚨 REFORM TAKES 10-POINT LEAD IN NEW POLL 🚨

    @BMGResearch
    survey for
    @theipaper
    shows:

    Reform 32%
    Labour 22%
    Tories 19%
    Lib Dems 13%
    Greens 9%

    BMG's Rob Struthers says: "Some polls make you do a double-take. This is one of them."



    We are witnessing something pretty extraordinary here. This is potentially a quiet revolution. A Very British Tipping Point

    How would the party leaders fare in a fight? Against each other? And a large cat?
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 77,165
    kinabalu said:

    Sorry, I don’t have the energy this afternoon to write a proper PB thread.

    Please enjoy this thread.

    A thread's a thread in my book and this is no exception.

    So one in fifty think they could take down a lion? Wow. There's some tough nuts out there.
    And a few cowardly lions...
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 121,857
    Leon said:

    🚨 REFORM TAKES 10-POINT LEAD IN NEW POLL 🚨

    @BMGResearch
    survey for
    @theipaper
    shows:

    Reform 32%
    Labour 22%
    Tories 19%
    Lib Dems 13%
    Greens 9%

    BMG's Rob Struthers says: "Some polls make you do a double-take. This is one of them."



    We are witnessing something pretty extraordinary here. This is potentially a quiet revolution. A Very British Tipping Point

    I might start posting comments from April/May 2019.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 54,794
    carnforth said:
    The state of Farage in that photo... Jeez, are public really going to vote for THAT as their PM? Have my doubts. I think we are in an extended version of the EU elections at the time of PM May. Express your middle-finger views when it doesn't matter; think long and hard about being our PM for 5 years.
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 22,819
    Is the gorilla wild?

    "Wild? I was furious!"

    (For fans of Not the Nine O'Clock News)
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 30,034
    Hundred is a large number.
    I'd expect many to be badly hurt.
    But they'd easily take one gorilla.
  • noneoftheabovenoneoftheabove Posts: 24,481
    kinabalu said:

    kinabalu said:

    Sorry, I don’t have the energy this afternoon to write a proper PB thread.

    Please enjoy this thread.

    A thread's a thread in my book and this is no exception.

    So one in fifty think they could take down a lion? Wow. There's some tough nuts out there.
    There's 2% nuts for sure.

    However:

    https://www.natureworldnews.com/articles/50349/20220416/human-vs-beast-man-allegedly-kills-lion-bare-hands-uganda.htm#:~:text=A man successfully killed a,a brutal fight in Uganda.
    I'd run a mile if I came across a lion. Although I guess that's being optimistic.
    How fast do you have to run to escape? Just 1 metre faster than your companion......
  • LeonLeon Posts: 60,429
    I've Baxtered that poll:

    Labour: 116 (chortle)
    Libs: 53
    Greens: 3
    Tories: 27 (CHORTLE)
    Reform: 387

    Reform government with a large majority, say hello to Prime Minister Nigel Farage, PBUH
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 53,931

    Leon said:

    🚨 REFORM TAKES 10-POINT LEAD IN NEW POLL 🚨

    @BMGResearch
    survey for
    @theipaper
    shows:

    Reform 32%
    Labour 22%
    Tories 19%
    Lib Dems 13%
    Greens 9%

    BMG's Rob Struthers says: "Some polls make you do a double-take. This is one of them."



    We are witnessing something pretty extraordinary here. This is potentially a quiet revolution. A Very British Tipping Point

    I might start posting comments from April/May 2019.
    That was merely our last ever EU election.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 45,023

    kinabalu said:

    Sorry, I don’t have the energy this afternoon to write a proper PB thread.

    Please enjoy this thread.

    A thread's a thread in my book and this is no exception.

    So one in fifty think they could take down a lion? Wow. There's some tough nuts out there.
    It doesn't specify which lion. A new born lion is 1.5kg and blind......just saying......
    Aw now that's a horrible thought. It makes me think of some brute assaulting my cat.
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 30,034
    Leon said:

    🚨 REFORM TAKES 10-POINT LEAD IN NEW POLL 🚨

    @BMGResearch
    survey for
    @theipaper
    shows:

    Reform 32%
    Labour 22%
    Tories 19%
    Lib Dems 13%
    Greens 9%

    BMG's Rob Struthers says: "Some polls make you do a double-take. This is one of them."



    We are witnessing something pretty extraordinary here. This is potentially a quiet revolution. A Very British Tipping Point

    I'd describe Reform as many things.
    Quiet wouldn't be one.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 60,429
    So it turns out Find Out Now aren't dodgy, they are more like Find Out First
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 77,165
    dixiedean said:

    Hundred is a large number.
    I'd expect many to be badly hurt.
    But they'd easily take one gorilla.

    Depends how motivated they are.
  • noneoftheabovenoneoftheabove Posts: 24,481
    kinabalu said:

    kinabalu said:

    Sorry, I don’t have the energy this afternoon to write a proper PB thread.

    Please enjoy this thread.

    A thread's a thread in my book and this is no exception.

    So one in fifty think they could take down a lion? Wow. There's some tough nuts out there.
    It doesn't specify which lion. A new born lion is 1.5kg and blind......just saying......
    Aw now that's a horrible thought. It makes me think of some brute assaulting my cat.
    Better than being eaten by the mum or dad lion!
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 30,034
    Leon said:

    I've Baxtered that poll:

    Labour: 116 (chortle)
    Libs: 53
    Greens: 3
    Tories: 27 (CHORTLE)
    Reform: 387

    Reform government with a large majority, say hello to Prime Minister Nigel Farage, PBUH

    Please Be Unlikely to Happen?
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 53,931

    Is the gorilla wild?

    "Wild? I was furious!"

    (For fans of Not the Nine O'Clock News)

    Incorrect!

    "Wild? I was LIVID!"
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 55,116

    carnforth said:
    The state of Farage in that photo... Jeez, are public really going to vote for THAT as their PM? Have my doubts. I think we are in an extended version of the EU elections at the time of PM May. Express your middle-finger views when it doesn't matter; think long and hard about being our PM for 5 years.
    Maybe the period around the time of the EU elections in 2019 was actually the new normal, and the cycle that began with Boris Johnson and ended up with Starmer was just an interlude.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 121,857
    Leon said:

    So it turns out Find Out Now aren't dodgy, they are more like Find Out First

    Pay attention to the ones they do/don’t caveat as they’ve added this caveat.

    This poll was initiated solely by Find Out Now and not funded by any third party
  • LeonLeon Posts: 60,429
    The only comparator for this is the short but amazing rise of the SDP in the early 80s, right?

    Then Thatch got saved by Galtieri and they fell away. IIRC. It was a looooooong time ago

    Maybe Starmer can persuade Putin to invade Gibraltar, badly
  • LeonLeon Posts: 60,429

    Leon said:

    So it turns out Find Out Now aren't dodgy, they are more like Find Out First

    Pay attention to the ones they do/don’t caveat as they’ve added this caveat.

    This poll was initiated solely by Find Out Now and not funded by any third party
    Sorry, I am confused! Genuinely. Isn't this poll BMG?
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 34,747

    carnforth said:
    The state of Farage in that photo... Jeez, are public really going to vote for THAT as their PM? Have my doubts. I think we are in an extended version of the EU elections at the time of PM May. Express your middle-finger views when it doesn't matter; think long and hard about being our PM for 5 years.
    They always choose the most ridiculous photo of Farage they can find.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 121,857
    Leon said:

    The only comparator for this is the short but amazing rise of the SDP in the early 80s, right?

    Then Thatch got saved by Galtieri and they fell away. IIRC. It was a looooooong time ago

    Maybe Starmer can persuade Putin to invade Gibraltar, badly

    The SDP/Alliance polled 50% but the Tories were leading in some polls before the invasion of The Malvinas.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 65,211
    edited May 9
    Leon said:

    I've Baxtered that poll:

    Labour: 116 (chortle)
    Libs: 53
    Greens: 3
    Tories: 27 (CHORTLE)
    Reform: 387

    Reform government with a large majority, say hello to Prime Minister Nigel Farage, PBUH

    The trend is utterly amazing

    Reform +9
    Labour -4
    Cons - 5
    Libs - 1
  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 18,533

    Leon said:

    🚨 REFORM TAKES 10-POINT LEAD IN NEW POLL 🚨

    @BMGResearch
    survey for
    @theipaper
    shows:

    Reform 32%
    Labour 22%
    Tories 19%
    Lib Dems 13%
    Greens 9%

    BMG's Rob Struthers says: "Some polls make you do a double-take. This is one of them."



    We are witnessing something pretty extraordinary here. This is potentially a quiet revolution. A Very British Tipping Point

    How would the party leaders fare in a fight? Against each other? And a large cat?
    Can we have the large cat for PM, please?
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 121,857
    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    So it turns out Find Out Now aren't dodgy, they are more like Find Out First

    Pay attention to the ones they do/don’t caveat as they’ve added this caveat.

    This poll was initiated solely by Find Out Now and not funded by any third party
    Sorry, I am confused! Genuinely. Isn't this poll BMG?
    This poll is BMG, my reply was regarding your comment about Find Out Now.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 54,794
    Nigelb said:

    dixiedean said:

    Hundred is a large number.
    I'd expect many to be badly hurt.
    But they'd easily take one gorilla.

    Depends how motivated they are.
    Well, you are going to at least have an arm ripped off, probably exanguinate. So that would be some incentive to bring the big chap down.

    Would require team work though. Or maybe just 100 piling on would crush him?
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 34,747
    edited May 9
    Leon said:

    🚨 REFORM TAKES 10-POINT LEAD IN NEW POLL 🚨

    @BMGResearch
    survey for
    @theipaper
    shows:

    Reform 32%
    Labour 22%
    Tories 19%
    Lib Dems 13%
    Greens 9%

    BMG's Rob Struthers says: "Some polls make you do a double-take. This is one of them."



    We are witnessing something pretty extraordinary here. This is potentially a quiet revolution. A Very British Tipping Point

    4 years is a long time to sustain this. Unless the government implodes despite a 170 maj.
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 38,679
    The men win … if they’re prepared to take casualties.

    On a similar note, I read quite a gripping account of just what deadly hunters a group of early men, aided by dogs for tracking, would have been.

    Many animals can outrun humans, but few can outwalk them. So, they just had to pursue their prey, relentlessly, until the poor creature dropped with exhaustion.

    It was like being hunted by a group of terminators.

  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 121,857

    carnforth said:
    The state of Farage in that photo... Jeez, are public really going to vote for THAT as their PM? Have my doubts. I think we are in an extended version of the EU elections at the time of PM May. Express your middle-finger views when it doesn't matter; think long and hard about being our PM for 5 years.
    You wouldn’t catch me using an unflattering photo of Farage in a header.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 77,165
    Shame this translation wasn't published before the result.

    https://www.unibocconi.it/en/news/network-conclave
    ..Top 5 by Status

    Robert Prevost (moderate, US)
    Lazzaro You Heung-sik (soft liberal, South Korea)
    Arthur Roche (liberal, UK)
    Jean-Marc Aveline (soft liberal, France)
    Claudio Gugerotti (soft liberal, Italy)

    Top 5 for Information Control

    Anders Arborelius (soft conservative, Sweden)
    Pietro Parolin (liberal, Italy)
    Víctor Fernández (liberal, Argentina)
    Gérald Lacroix (moderate, Canada)
    Joseph Tobin (liberal, USA)

    Top 5 for Coalition Building Capacity

    Luis Antonio Tagle (soft liberal, Philippines)
    Ángel Fernández Artime (soft liberal, Spain)
    Gérald Lacroix (moderate, Canada)
    Fridolin Besungu (soft conservative, Congo)
    Sérgio da Rocha (soft liberal, Brazil)..
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 65,777

    ‪Luke Tryl‬
    @luketryl.bsky.social‬
    · 6m

    Fairly clear pattern now in all polls since locals. Reform leading. Labour down a bit, and the Conservatives heading below 20. Only disagreement is size of Reform's lead - somewhere between 4 and 13.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 34,747
    edited May 9
    Typical reply to the polls.

    "Alfred Warschauer
    @Curnonsky_

    They are always from pollsters you have never heard of"

    https://x.com/Curnonsky_/status/1920796051495059813
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 77,165
    Andy_JS said:

    carnforth said:
    The state of Farage in that photo... Jeez, are public really going to vote for THAT as their PM? Have my doubts. I think we are in an extended version of the EU elections at the time of PM May. Express your middle-finger views when it doesn't matter; think long and hard about being our PM for 5 years.
    They always choose the most ridiculous photo of Farage they can find.
    That's a really difficult thing to do.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 60,429

    Leon said:

    The only comparator for this is the short but amazing rise of the SDP in the early 80s, right?

    Then Thatch got saved by Galtieri and they fell away. IIRC. It was a looooooong time ago

    Maybe Starmer can persuade Putin to invade Gibraltar, badly

    The SDP/Alliance polled 50% but the Tories were leading in some polls before the invasion of The Malvinas.
    Was it as high as 50%??! That's even more spectacular than I remember

    However there are major differences between Reform and the SDP, and the most important is the one that tells me this might be a new permanent change, not a fleeting weirdness like the Alliance: Reform are just part of a wider vibeshift to the populist right across the West - from Le Pen to Meloni, from Trump to the AfD to the Danish social democrats adopting hard right migration policies, and many other examples: some hopeful some depressing

    This is a secular change in mood across the western world, not a uniquely British blip
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 31,583

    Sorry, I don’t have the energy this afternoon to write a proper PB thread.

    Please enjoy this thread.

    I like off the wall threads. I really enjoyed Robert's parallel universe Callaghan win in 1978. But it's OK our alternative thread header writer has already brought it back to politics, which is fair enough. At least it beats photos of his breakfast.
  • noneoftheabovenoneoftheabove Posts: 24,481

    Sorry, I don’t have the energy this afternoon to write a proper PB thread.

    Please enjoy this thread.

    I like off the wall threads. I really enjoyed Robert's parallel universe Callaghan win in 1978. But it's OK our alternative thread header writer has already brought it back to politics, which is fair enough. At least it beats photos of his breakfast.
    In important food news, you can already get delicious strawberries.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 31,583
    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    So it turns out Find Out Now aren't dodgy, they are more like Find Out First

    Pay attention to the ones they do/don’t caveat as they’ve added this caveat.

    This poll was initiated solely by Find Out Now and not funded by any third party
    Sorry, I am confused! Genuinely. Isn't this poll BMG?
    After the election last week shy Reformers seem to have decided fash is fine.

    Perhaps they have been replaced by shy Tories and Labourites.
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 38,679
    Leon said:

    So it turns out Find Out Now aren't dodgy, they are more like Find Out First

    I’d say look how Sinn Fein built up a huge lead in mid-term, before Fine Gael, and Fianna Fáil recovered.

    But, I’d also say, if Reform obliterate the Conservatives in the local elections of 2026/2027, and FPTP is brutal, most centre right voters will write off the Conservatives.

    PR means an Irish party can survive getting 10-20%, whereas the Conservatives cannot.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 27,033
    edited May 9
    I can add a question for a proper PB thread.

    Has President Trump f*cked the World Cup next year, that the USA, Canada and Mexico are co-hosting?

    Either:

    1 - People too scared to visit for the several reasons we know about, and don't.
    2 - Insufficient air transport capacity across the country for fans needing to get to cities they don't know about in advance, as it's determined by match results. There aren't exactly a lot of alternatives.
    3 - Some services having been gutted by Trump's destruction of the administrative State.
    4 - Border restrictions USA vs Mexico and Canada?
    5 - Given Trump & Co's incompetence, will be it like the 1936 Olympics run by the Marx Brothers?

    If yes, why? If not, why not?
  • LeonLeon Posts: 60,429
    Andy_JS said:

    Leon said:

    🚨 REFORM TAKES 10-POINT LEAD IN NEW POLL 🚨

    @BMGResearch
    survey for
    @theipaper
    shows:

    Reform 32%
    Labour 22%
    Tories 19%
    Lib Dems 13%
    Greens 9%

    BMG's Rob Struthers says: "Some polls make you do a double-take. This is one of them."



    We are witnessing something pretty extraordinary here. This is potentially a quiet revolution. A Very British Tipping Point

    4 years is a long time to sustain this. Unless the government implodes despite a 170 maj.
    Yes, it feels a bit like a football team peaking in form around late October. It's too early

    But who knows. Leicester won the Prem. These things happen, and this is happening around the world

    And if I had to choose a single British politician with the least wit and imagination: ergo no ideas, no rizz, no vim, and therefore no chance of turning around a dire situation, that politician would be Sir Keir Starmer, KC
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 121,857
    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    The only comparator for this is the short but amazing rise of the SDP in the early 80s, right?

    Then Thatch got saved by Galtieri and they fell away. IIRC. It was a looooooong time ago

    Maybe Starmer can persuade Putin to invade Gibraltar, badly

    The SDP/Alliance polled 50% but the Tories were leading in some polls before the invasion of The Malvinas.
    Was it as high as 50%??! That's even more spectacular than I remember

    However there are major differences between Reform and the SDP, and the most important is the one that tells me this might be a new permanent change, not a fleeting weirdness like the Alliance: Reform are just part of a wider vibeshift to the populist right across the West - from Le Pen to Meloni, from Trump to the AfD to the Danish social democrats adopting hard right migration policies, and many other examples: some hopeful some depressing

    This is a secular change in mood across the western world, not a uniquely British blip
    Yes, in December 1981 Mori had the following

    Con 23%

    Labour 23.5%

    Alliance 50.5%

    A fortnight before the invasion in March 1982 Mori had it as

    Con 31.5%

    Lab 33%

    Alliance 33%

    Gallup days before the invasion had it as

    Con 35%

    Lab 30%

    Alliance 33%
  • MattWMattW Posts: 27,033
    On the Header, I need to know what weapons I can have.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 31,583

    Sorry, I don’t have the energy this afternoon to write a proper PB thread.

    Please enjoy this thread.

    I like off the wall threads. I really enjoyed Robert's parallel universe Callaghan win in 1978. But it's OK our alternative thread header writer has already brought it back to politics, which is fair enough. At least it beats photos of his breakfast.
    In important food news, you can already get delicious strawberries.
    Herefordshire?
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 38,679
    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    The only comparator for this is the short but amazing rise of the SDP in the early 80s, right?

    Then Thatch got saved by Galtieri and they fell away. IIRC. It was a looooooong time ago

    Maybe Starmer can persuade Putin to invade Gibraltar, badly

    The SDP/Alliance polled 50% but the Tories were leading in some polls before the invasion of The Malvinas.
    Was it as high as 50%??! That's even more spectacular than I remember

    However there are major differences between Reform and the SDP, and the most important is the one that tells me this might be a new permanent change, not a fleeting weirdness like the Alliance: Reform are just part of a wider vibeshift to the populist right across the West - from Le Pen to Meloni, from Trump to the AfD to the Danish social democrats adopting hard right migration policies, and many other examples: some hopeful some depressing

    This is a secular change in mood across the western world, not a uniquely British blip
    The Conservatives and Labour simply had a level of bedrock support back then, which does not exist today.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 121,857
    MattW said:

    On the Header, I need to know what weapons I can have.

    Unarmed.
  • OnlyLivingBoyOnlyLivingBoy Posts: 16,450
    Loving the male-female crosstabs.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 60,429

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    So it turns out Find Out Now aren't dodgy, they are more like Find Out First

    Pay attention to the ones they do/don’t caveat as they’ve added this caveat.

    This poll was initiated solely by Find Out Now and not funded by any third party
    Sorry, I am confused! Genuinely. Isn't this poll BMG?
    After the election last week shy Reformers seem to have decided fash is fine.

    Perhaps they have been replaced by shy Tories and Labourites.
    "Fash"

    Grow up. Do you honestly believe Reform under Nigel Farage are "fascist", or anything even close to it? Because they're not. Not at all. The comparison is juvenile and wanky and makes you sound like a 13 year old

    If a proper actual Fascist party approaches power in the UK you will bloody well notice it, but you will have no words to describe the exceptional nature of this evolution, because you used them all up on Reform
  • MattWMattW Posts: 27,033
    edited May 9

    MattW said:

    On the Header, I need to know what weapons I can have.

    Unarmed.
    The Goose would be doable.

    You grab it just behind the head, because they are not exactly agile.

    Anybody growing up on a farm knows you stamp on a rat.

    Cats - maybe.

    I've seen reports of choke holds on dogs, but I couldn't do it.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 31,583
    Sean_F said:

    Leon said:

    So it turns out Find Out Now aren't dodgy, they are more like Find Out First

    I’d say look how Sinn Fein built up a huge lead in mid-term, before Fine Gael, and Fianna Fáil recovered.

    But, I’d also say, if Reform obliterate the Conservatives in the local elections of 2026/2027, and FPTP is brutal, most centre right voters will write off the Conservatives.

    PR means an Irish party can survive getting 10-20%, whereas the Conservatives cannot.
    Four years is along time in politics.

    History has taught us that four years is plenty of time for Farage to implode his current (at a specific moment in time) political vehicle. In fact there is a reasonable chance he becomes PM with his next, or next after that political party.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 31,583
    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    So it turns out Find Out Now aren't dodgy, they are more like Find Out First

    Pay attention to the ones they do/don’t caveat as they’ve added this caveat.

    This poll was initiated solely by Find Out Now and not funded by any third party
    Sorry, I am confused! Genuinely. Isn't this poll BMG?
    After the election last week shy Reformers seem to have decided fash is fine.

    Perhaps they have been replaced by shy Tories and Labourites.
    "Fash"

    Grow up. Do you honestly believe Reform under Nigel Farage are "fascist", or anything even close to it? Because they're not. Not at all. The comparison is juvenile and wanky and makes you sound like a 13 year old

    If a proper actual Fascist party approaches power in the UK you will bloody well notice it, but you will have no words to describe the exceptional nature of this evolution, because you used them all up on Reform
    YES!
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 53,931

    Leon said:

    The only comparator for this is the short but amazing rise of the SDP in the early 80s, right?

    Then Thatch got saved by Galtieri and they fell away. IIRC. It was a looooooong time ago

    Maybe Starmer can persuade Putin to invade Gibraltar, badly

    The SDP/Alliance polled 50% but the Tories were leading in some polls before the invasion of The Malvinas.
    FALKLANDS!
  • LeonLeon Posts: 60,429
    Sean_F said:

    Leon said:

    So it turns out Find Out Now aren't dodgy, they are more like Find Out First

    I’d say look how Sinn Fein built up a huge lead in mid-term, before Fine Gael, and Fianna Fáil recovered.

    But, I’d also say, if Reform obliterate the Conservatives in the local elections of 2026/2027, and FPTP is brutal, most centre right voters will write off the Conservatives.

    PR means an Irish party can survive getting 10-20%, whereas the Conservatives cannot.
    This is definitely an existential threat to the Tories, especially - as you say - under FPTP

    If Reform become the default rightwing party, then that's it. The Tories are doomed. They are already down to 120 odd MPs and they could go under 50 next time, whence there is probably no recovery

    A few more polls with Reform over 30 and the Tories under 20 could do it. That will be the new normal. Everyone will accept it. Then the Tories die
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 31,583
    RobD said:

    scampi25 said:

    carnforth said:
    It's interesting that every time people talk about peak Reform they poll ever higher.
    Surely peak Reform will be 100% after they ban opposition parties?
    Nah, even Putin only ends up in the mid 90s, or do you think Nigey is potentially even more popular that Vlad?
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,423

    RobD said:

    scampi25 said:

    carnforth said:
    It's interesting that every time people talk about peak Reform they poll ever higher.
    Surely peak Reform will be 100% after they ban opposition parties?
    Nah, even Putin only ends up in the mid 90s, or do you think Nigey is potentially even more popular that Vlad?
    That’s Der Nige to you.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 55,116
    Farage is head and shoulders above everyone else as a political talent and there's a sense of inevitability about his march to Downing Street now.

    It's not like the SPD period when Britain faced serious problems, but the person with the solutions was already in power. Starmer is no Thatcher and instead embodies everything that's gone wrong.
  • OnlyLivingBoyOnlyLivingBoy Posts: 16,450
    Even the rat could be tricky if cornered. They have sharp teeth and claws and if it went for your jugular, which it would, you could be in trouble. Personally I wouldn't fancy my chances against any of these animals. The 2% who think they could have a grizzly bear or an elephant are deluding themselves. As for the 10% who think they could beat a Chimpanzee... what are they smoking? The chimp would literally tear them limb from limb.
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 22,819
    They say that truth is the first casualty of war.

    However, in South Asia, it seems to be the cricket.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 45,023
    Leon said:

    The only comparator for this is the short but amazing rise of the SDP in the early 80s, right?

    Then Thatch got saved by Galtieri and they fell away. IIRC. It was a looooooong time ago

    Maybe Starmer can persuade Putin to invade Gibraltar, badly

    In December 1981 the Alliance were polling over 50%. The next election was only 18 months away. Looking good. But they couldn't keep it up. They didn't flop, but it didn't happen for them. For a variety of reasons, not just the Falklands.

    Here, by contrast, we have Reform on about 30% and the next election is a long long 4 years away. By all means get excited (like David Steel did) but I wouldn't succumb to hubris if I were you. I only say this because that's what I sense you risk doing - succumbing to hubris.
  • Richard_TyndallRichard_Tyndall Posts: 33,302
    I want to know who the 2% lunatics are who think they could be a Grizzly Bear in an unarmed fight.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 54,794

    MattW said:

    On the Header, I need to know what weapons I can have.

    Unarmed.
    For clarification: does that mean I can't batter the gorilla with the arm he has ripped off the previous guy?
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 22,819
    ReFuk around 30% of the voting public is a stark illustration that we on PB are far from a representative cross-section.
  • isamisam Posts: 41,510

    ReFuk around 30% of the voting public is a stark illustration that we on PB are far from a representative cross-section.

    Get out of town!
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 59,718
    Define victory?

    If 97 of the unarmed men die, and the 98th kills the silverback gorilla, then did the men "win"?
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 59,718

    kinabalu said:

    Sorry, I don’t have the energy this afternoon to write a proper PB thread.

    Please enjoy this thread.

    A thread's a thread in my book and this is no exception.

    So one in fifty think they could take down a lion? Wow. There's some tough nuts out there.
    Russell Crowe took down a tiger in the original (and best) Gladiator.
    For the purposes of the timeline I live in, there is only one Gladiator movie.
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 43,533
    Leon said:

    🚨 REFORM TAKES 10-POINT LEAD IN NEW POLL 🚨

    @BMGResearch
    survey for
    @theipaper
    shows:

    Reform 32%
    Labour 22%
    Tories 19%
    Lib Dems 13%
    Greens 9%

    BMG's Rob Struthers says: "Some polls make you do a double-take. This is one of them."



    We are witnessing something pretty extraordinary here. This is potentially a quiet revolution. A Very British Tipping Point

    Weird that a quietly revolutionary very British tipping point is being fluffed by someone so…noisy.
    Are you sure you’re British?
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 43,533

    ReFuk around 30% of the voting public is a stark illustration that we on PB are far from a representative cross-section.

    There could easily be 30% of PB posts openly or surreptitiously boosting Reform though.
  • isamisam Posts: 41,510
    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    So it turns out Find Out Now aren't dodgy, they are more like Find Out First

    Pay attention to the ones they do/don’t caveat as they’ve added this caveat.

    This poll was initiated solely by Find Out Now and not funded by any third party
    Sorry, I am confused! Genuinely. Isn't this poll BMG?
    After the election last week shy Reformers seem to have decided fash is fine.

    Perhaps they have been replaced by shy Tories and Labourites.
    "Fash"

    Grow up. Do you honestly believe Reform under Nigel Farage are "fascist", or anything even close to it? Because they're not. Not at all. The comparison is juvenile and wanky and makes you sound like a 13 year old

    If a proper actual Fascist party approaches power in the UK you will bloody well notice it, but you will have no words to describe the exceptional nature of this evolution, because you used them all up on Reform
    As if calling someone a fascist on here would wound it’s target rather than prompt an eye roll at the pure wallyness of the name caller
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 31,059

    ReFuk around 30% of the voting public is a stark illustration that we on PB are far from a representative cross-section.

    There could easily be 30% of PB posts openly or surreptitiously boosting Reform though.
    I think Reform nudge up a couple of points every time Bondegoogoo posts.
  • No_Offence_AlanNo_Offence_Alan Posts: 5,034
    At the risk of the ban hammer, I will claim a wolverine is a species of badger, and I think could take a baboon.
  • isamisam Posts: 41,510
    “YOU’RE A FASCIST!” - James O’Brien DESTROYS caller for praising Donald Trump - (parody only)

    https://x.com/tonylapidus/status/1920551672218059176?s=46&t=CW4pL-mMpTqsJXCdjW0Z6Q
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 53,931
    rcs1000 said:

    Define victory?

    If 97 of the unarmed men die, and the 98th kills the silverback gorilla, then did the men "win"?

    Capt. Miller: You see, when... when you end up killing one of your men, you see, you tell yourself it happened so you could save the lives of two or three or ten others. Maybe a hundred others. Do you know how many men I've lost under my command?
    Sgt. Horvath: How many?
    Capt. Miller: Ninety-four. But that means I've saved the lives of ten times that many, doesn't it? Maybe even twenty, right? Twenty times as many? And that's how simple it is. That's how you... that's how you rationalize on making the choice between the mission and the man.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 60,429
    RobD said:

    RobD said:

    scampi25 said:

    carnforth said:
    It's interesting that every time people talk about peak Reform they poll ever higher.
    Surely peak Reform will be 100% after they ban opposition parties?
    Nah, even Putin only ends up in the mid 90s, or do you think Nigey is potentially even more popular that Vlad?
    That’s Der Nige to you.
    Darth Nigel
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 59,718

    At the risk of the ban hammer, I will claim a wolverine is a species of badger, and I think could take a baboon.

    I could definitely take a baboon.

    I could take a baboon some kind of snack. If you give them food, they won't bother you.
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