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This bodes well for Labour to receive tactical votes – politicalbetting.com

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edited May 8 in General
This bodes well for Labour to receive tactical votes – politicalbetting.com

Which potential coalitions have the most support from Britons?Lab-LD: 38% supportLab-LD-Grn: 38%Lab-Grn: 37%Con-Ref: 27%Con-LD: 23%Con-Grn: 20%Lab-SNP: 20%Con-Lab: 15%LD-Ref: 15%Lab-Ref: 10%yougov.co.uk/politics/art…

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  • OmniumOmnium Posts: 11,533
    edited May 8
    A newt day and another hread!
  • RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 30,011
    I don't think its just the centre-left who will vote tactically. An awful lot of centre-right voters have already defected to the LibDems in protest at the Tories. Many more will also make the same journey as the threat of Farage grows larger
  • Pagan2Pagan2 Posts: 11,033
    You have come to that conlusion however by discounting the next 4 years of labour fuckups even if only by messaging
  • carnforthcarnforth Posts: 5,921
    edited May 8
    US Agriculture minister to visit UK on Monday. So they must have got something on that score.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 54,792
    Vote Reform, get Rainbow Coalition.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 83,873
    edited May 8
    The US will slash tariffs on Range Rovers and other UK-made cars to 10pc as part of Donald Trump’s trade deal with the UK, The Telegraph understands.

    The reduction will form part of a 12-month “temporary arrangement” ahead of striking what Britain and the US hopes will be a comprehensive trade deal in the coming months.

    It is understood that British car makers will be given a quota of 100,000 that will be able to be sent to American shores at lower tariffs
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 83,873
    Digital service tax is one to watch.
  • OmniumOmnium Posts: 11,533

    Vote Reform, get Rainbow Coalition.

    That's what it will be.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 54,792
    edited May 8
    carnforth said:

    US Agriculture minister to visit UK on Monday. So they must have got something on that score.

    Well, he can leave his stinking chlorinated chickens back home...

    (It'll probably be on the menu at Downing Street....)
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 79,376

    Vote Reform, get Rainbow Coalition.

    No idea how I'll vote in the next GE yet but voting Tory is the spoiler vote at the moment.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 55,111
    Omnium said:

    Vote Reform, get Rainbow Coalition.

    That's what it will be.
    If we had PR, but we don't. Reform can win an overall majority.
  • noneoftheabovenoneoftheabove Posts: 24,475

    I don't think its just the centre-left who will vote tactically. An awful lot of centre-right voters have already defected to the LibDems in protest at the Tories. Many more will also make the same journey as the threat of Farage grows larger

    I'm less conviced that this is a big group. If you liked Boris when he was darling of the right wing media and chattersphere, you will probably like Farage when he has the same backing.
  • OmniumOmnium Posts: 11,533
    edited May 8

    Omnium said:

    Vote Reform, get Rainbow Coalition.

    That's what it will be.
    If we had PR, but we don't. Reform can win an overall majority.
    Sure, but we're not collectively that daft. A reformed Reform getting there then fine.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 83,873
    edited May 8

    carnforth said:

    US Agriculture minister to visit UK on Monday. So they must have got something on that score.

    Well, he can leave his stinking chlorinated chickens back home...

    (It'll probably be on the menu at Downing Street....)
    The millions of column inches devoted to chlorinated chicken...I bet even if they did allow them in any deal (which they won't) we would hardly see it in the UK anyway. The US isn't cheap for food production these days, the big supermarkets and wholesalers can already go out and get cheap chicken from Thailand (the whole business model of Iceland is built on factory farming meat / fish in Thailand), same as loads of beef comes from Brazil because its cheap.
  • RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 30,011

    I don't think its just the centre-left who will vote tactically. An awful lot of centre-right voters have already defected to the LibDems in protest at the Tories. Many more will also make the same journey as the threat of Farage grows larger

    I'm less conviced that this is a big group. If you liked Boris when he was darling of the right wing media and chattersphere, you will probably like Farage when he has the same backing.
    Boris isn't centre right though. That coalition has completely fractured and disappeared.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 53,929

    carnforth said:

    US Agriculture minister to visit UK on Monday. So they must have got something on that score.

    Well, he can leave his stinking chlorinated chickens back home...

    (It'll probably be on the menu at Downing Street....)
    The millions of column inches devoted to chlorinated chicken...I bet even if they did allow them in any deal (which they won't) we would hardly see it in the UK anyway. The US isn't cheap for food production these days, the big supermarkets and wholesalers can already go out and get cheap chicken from Thailand (the whole business model of Iceland is built on factory farming meat / fish in Thailand), same as loads of beef comes from Brazil because its cheap.
    "There was me, that is Alexander Boris de Pfeffel, and my three droogs, that is Priti, Govey, and Dom, and we sat in the Kensington Milkbar trying to make up our Raaboodocks what to do with the evening. The Kensington Milkbar sold Milk-plus, milk plus Corn Syrup or GM Soya or Chlorinated Chicken, which is what we were drinking. This would sharpen you up and make you ready for a bit of the old all-out trade war!"
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 44,174

    carnforth said:

    US Agriculture minister to visit UK on Monday. So they must have got something on that score.

    Well, he can leave his stinking chlorinated chickens back home...

    (It'll probably be on the menu at Downing Street....)
    The millions of column inches devoted to chlorinated chicken...I bet even if they did allow them in any deal (which they won't) we would hardly see it in the UK anyway. The US isn't cheap for food production these days, the big supermarkets and wholesalers can already go out and get cheap chicken from Thailand (the whole business model of Iceland is built on factory farming meat / fish in Thailand), same as loads of beef comes from Brazil because its cheap.
    People will eat any old shit as long as cheap
  • ConcanvasserConcanvasser Posts: 171
    Odd that they didn't in Runcorn.

    The odds were high and a clear 2 horse race.

    Plenty of Green voters preferring to vote Green and passed up the opportunity to 'keep Farrage out'.

    The Tory vote appears, by and large, to have gone over to Reform.
  • noneoftheabovenoneoftheabove Posts: 24,475

    I don't think its just the centre-left who will vote tactically. An awful lot of centre-right voters have already defected to the LibDems in protest at the Tories. Many more will also make the same journey as the threat of Farage grows larger

    I'm less conviced that this is a big group. If you liked Boris when he was darling of the right wing media and chattersphere, you will probably like Farage when he has the same backing.
    Boris isn't centre right though. That coalition has completely fractured and disappeared.
    Large chunks of the electorate don't care about left or right. Can he tell a good story or not is key to the appeal of the likes of Boris and Farage more than their political identity.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 30,488
    Pupils in the poorest areas of the country are being "locked out" of key A-level subjects - such as physics and computer science - because of a lack of trained teachers
    https://www.lbc.co.uk/news/uk/pupils-in-poorest-uk-areas-being-locked-out-of-key-a-level-subjects-due-to-teach/

    That's because all the physics teachers are on PB.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 27,031
    With luck this will be another Chumpity-Trump special, where he thinks he gets something for nothing, and has actually got nothing for something.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 83,873
    edited May 8

    Vote Reform, get Rainbow Coalition.

    I didn't have them down as being quite so pro-LGBTQIA+ myself...
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 54,464

    Pupils in the poorest areas of the country are being "locked out" of key A-level subjects - such as physics and computer science - because of a lack of trained teachers
    https://www.lbc.co.uk/news/uk/pupils-in-poorest-uk-areas-being-locked-out-of-key-a-level-subjects-due-to-teach/

    That's because all the physics teachers are on PB.

    Fysics teachers, Shirely?
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 30,488

    Pupils in the poorest areas of the country are being "locked out" of key A-level subjects - such as physics and computer science - because of a lack of trained teachers
    https://www.lbc.co.uk/news/uk/pupils-in-poorest-uk-areas-being-locked-out-of-key-a-level-subjects-due-to-teach/

    That's because all the physics teachers are on PB.

    Fysics teachers, Shirely?
    At least three physics teachers, I think. We used to have a biology teacher back in the day.
  • noneoftheabovenoneoftheabove Posts: 24,475

    Pupils in the poorest areas of the country are being "locked out" of key A-level subjects - such as physics and computer science - because of a lack of trained teachers
    https://www.lbc.co.uk/news/uk/pupils-in-poorest-uk-areas-being-locked-out-of-key-a-level-subjects-due-to-teach/

    That's because all the physics teachers are on PB.

    The government really should sort this out, its not like its rocket science.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 83,873
    edited May 8
    Chris Mason - Where's the PM right now? We're hoping nearby. Hello from what we hope is the right factory in the right town to hear from the prime minister. Downing Street managed to send us to the wrong factory in the wrong town. Whoops.

    Now if only they used What Three Words..
  • FishingFishing Posts: 5,542

    carnforth said:

    US Agriculture minister to visit UK on Monday. So they must have got something on that score.

    Well, he can leave his stinking chlorinated chickens back home...

    (It'll probably be on the menu at Downing Street....)
    The millions of column inches devoted to chlorinated chicken...I bet even if they did allow them in any deal (which they won't) we would hardly see it in the UK anyway. The US isn't cheap for food production these days, the big supermarkets and wholesalers can already go out and get cheap chicken from Thailand (the whole business model of Iceland is built on factory farming meat / fish in Thailand), same as loads of beef comes from Brazil because its cheap.
    We may not be world leaders in much these days, but when it comes to falling for evidence-free, hysterical food scares to justify counter-productive protectionism, we're up there with the best.
  • Daveyboy1961Daveyboy1961 Posts: 4,581

    Pupils in the poorest areas of the country are being "locked out" of key A-level subjects - such as physics and computer science - because of a lack of trained teachers
    https://www.lbc.co.uk/news/uk/pupils-in-poorest-uk-areas-being-locked-out-of-key-a-level-subjects-due-to-teach/

    That's because all the physics teachers are on PB.

    The government really should sort this out, its not like its rocket science.
    Rocket surgery?
  • Daveyboy1961Daveyboy1961 Posts: 4,581

    Pupils in the poorest areas of the country are being "locked out" of key A-level subjects - such as physics and computer science - because of a lack of trained teachers
    https://www.lbc.co.uk/news/uk/pupils-in-poorest-uk-areas-being-locked-out-of-key-a-level-subjects-due-to-teach/

    That's because all the physics teachers are on PB.

    Fysics teachers, Shirely?
    At least three physics teachers, I think. We used to have a biology teacher back in the day.
    Most physics teaching on schools is done by biology or chemistry teachers with a textbook.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 27,031
    Economic security blanket ??? !!!!
  • carnforthcarnforth Posts: 5,921

    Pupils in the poorest areas of the country are being "locked out" of key A-level subjects - such as physics and computer science - because of a lack of trained teachers
    https://www.lbc.co.uk/news/uk/pupils-in-poorest-uk-areas-being-locked-out-of-key-a-level-subjects-due-to-teach/

    That's because all the physics teachers are on PB.

    Fysics teachers, Shirely?
    At least three physics teachers, I think. We used to have a biology teacher back in the day.
    Most physics teaching on schools is done by biology or chemistry teachers with a textbook.
    I would think a decent A level mathematics teacher would be able to mug up enough to do A level physics, if required. But I may be wrong.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 83,873
    Trump says the US-UK trade deal affirms the "reciprocity and fairness" that he believes is essential to international trade.

    The deal will involve billions of dollars of American exports including American beef, ethanol, and other agricultural products, Trump says.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 27,031
    edited May 8
    They are still on the diplo-bollocks (aka Fluffing) stage.

    "Donald" ... "Donald" ... "Donald" ... "Donald" ...
  • Daveyboy1961Daveyboy1961 Posts: 4,581
    carnforth said:

    Pupils in the poorest areas of the country are being "locked out" of key A-level subjects - such as physics and computer science - because of a lack of trained teachers
    https://www.lbc.co.uk/news/uk/pupils-in-poorest-uk-areas-being-locked-out-of-key-a-level-subjects-due-to-teach/

    That's because all the physics teachers are on PB.

    Fysics teachers, Shirely?
    At least three physics teachers, I think. We used to have a biology teacher back in the day.
    Most physics teaching on schools is done by biology or chemistry teachers with a textbook.
    I would think a decent A level mathematics teacher would be able to mug up enough to do A level physics, if required. But I may be wrong.
    You'd think so, but I used to quite often cover the mechanics in the maths modules back in the day when the maths dept were short.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 65,211
    Starmer and Trump now Donald and Keir and certainly it seems a win for Starmer

    The conservative and the right should welcome the deal and also maybe a lesson to Davey that sometimes crawling and pulling all the levers is the only way rather than antagonism
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 59,718

    Omnium said:

    Vote Reform, get Rainbow Coalition.

    That's what it will be.
    If we had PR, but we don't. Reform can win an overall majority.
    They can indeed. And they might do so, on a pretty small (i.e. low 30s) share of the vote.

    It's also possible that they are first in terms of national vote share, but end up with their opposition coalescing around a challenger, and get themselves squeezed. (See Scotland, and the way that first the Tories and then the SNP got "ganged up on".)

    There are numerous other scenarios too...
  • Daveyboy1961Daveyboy1961 Posts: 4,581

    Starmer and Trump now Donald and Keir and certainly it seems a win for Starmer

    The conservative and the right should welcome the deal and also maybe a lesson to Davey that sometimes crawling and pulling all the levers is the only way rather than antagonism

    Maybe...
    Don't hold your breath.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 59,718

    Trump says the US-UK trade deal affirms the "reciprocity and fairness" that he believes is essential to international trade.

    The deal will involve billions of dollars of American exports including American beef, ethanol, and other agricultural products, Trump says.

    There are no tariffs on ethanol exports to the UK.
  • Pro_RataPro_Rata Posts: 5,592

    Odd that they didn't in Runcorn.

    The odds were high and a clear 2 horse race.

    Plenty of Green voters preferring to vote Green and passed up the opportunity to 'keep Farrage out'.

    The Tory vote appears, by and large, to have gone over to Reform.

    I think they did a bit, just not enough.

    The 38.7% Labour and Reform each received was above opinion polling, particularly for Labour and was above what you'd expect for each of them
    from bare proportional swing.

    Some of that dip in Tory and LD vote did serve to prop up Labour, but you're right, no support from the Green side, and not quite enough overall.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 83,873
    rcs1000 said:

    Trump says the US-UK trade deal affirms the "reciprocity and fairness" that he believes is essential to international trade.

    The deal will involve billions of dollars of American exports including American beef, ethanol, and other agricultural products, Trump says.

    There are no tariffs on ethanol exports to the UK.
    Trump lying surely not....
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 65,211

    Starmer and Trump now Donald and Keir and certainly it seems a win for Starmer

    The conservative and the right should welcome the deal and also maybe a lesson to Davey that sometimes crawling and pulling all the levers is the only way rather than antagonism

    Maybe...
    Don't hold your breath.
    I wish I could !!!!
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 35,334

    Starmer and Trump now Donald and Keir and certainly it seems a win for Starmer

    The conservative and the right should welcome the deal and also maybe a lesson to Davey that sometimes crawling and pulling all the levers is the only way rather than antagonism

    Surprised at you recommending 'crawling' Big_G.

    Personally, I think we should have told Trump where to go but on balance I suspect Starmer is playing a much shrewder game than Trump.
  • Stark_DawningStark_Dawning Posts: 10,016

    Starmer and Trump now Donald and Keir and certainly it seems a win for Starmer

    The conservative and the right should welcome the deal and also maybe a lesson to Davey that sometimes crawling and pulling all the levers is the only way rather than antagonism

    Nigel and Kemi desperately need the narrative to return to the India deal and NI. They can't criticize this as a) it's supposed to be the pinnacle achievement of Brexit and b) it's being championed by Nige's mate.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 65,211
    UK to buy 10 billion dollars of Boeing planes

    Not sure Airbus will be impressed
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 54,464

    Pupils in the poorest areas of the country are being "locked out" of key A-level subjects - such as physics and computer science - because of a lack of trained teachers
    https://www.lbc.co.uk/news/uk/pupils-in-poorest-uk-areas-being-locked-out-of-key-a-level-subjects-due-to-teach/

    That's because all the physics teachers are on PB.

    The government really should sort this out, its not like its rocket science.
    Rocket surgery?
    This is a rocket surgeon


  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 35,334
    rcs1000 said:

    Trump says the US-UK trade deal affirms the "reciprocity and fairness" that he believes is essential to international trade.

    The deal will involve billions of dollars of American exports including American beef, ethanol, and other agricultural products, Trump says.

    There are no tariffs on ethanol exports to the UK.
    You see, that just shows how you miss the genius of Trump. He's got the duties on bourbon removed AND backdated to June 2022!
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 83,873

    UK to buy 10 billion dollars of Boeing planes

    Not sure Airbus will be impressed

    Are we getting the ones the Chinese don't want?
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 55,111

    Starmer and Trump now Donald and Keir and certainly it seems a win for Starmer

    The conservative and the right should welcome the deal and also maybe a lesson to Davey that sometimes crawling and pulling all the levers is the only way rather than antagonism

    Nigel and Kemi desperately need the narrative to return to the India deal and NI. They can't criticize this as a) it's supposed to be the pinnacle achievement of Brexit and b) it's being championed by Nige's mate.
    Trump is Starmer's mate now. It's the new Blair-Bush relationship with Starmer acting decisively to sabotage any global anti-Trump coalition.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 83,873
    "That will add $5b of opportunity to American exporters," Lutnick says.

    "And we still have a 10% tariff on which will produce $6 billion of revenue for the United States."
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 65,211
    edited May 8

    Starmer and Trump now Donald and Keir and certainly it seems a win for Starmer

    The conservative and the right should welcome the deal and also maybe a lesson to Davey that sometimes crawling and pulling all the levers is the only way rather than antagonism

    Surprised at you recommending 'crawling' Big_G.

    Personally, I think we should have told Trump where to go but on balance I suspect Starmer is playing a much shrewder game than Trump.
    It certainly is a win for Starmer and as such justifies his means

    I expect this is very difficult for Davey and the Lib Dems
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 39,945

    UK to buy 10 billion dollars of Boeing planes

    Not sure Airbus will be impressed

    The state or BA? BA was already buying those anyway I think.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 83,873
    edited May 8
    The UK will be able to send 100,000 cars into the US on the original 10% baseline tariff. Rolls Royce engines and parts for aeroplanes can be exported from the UK to the US tariff free, he says.
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 45,478
    A headline I did not expect to see:

    "Bargain Hunt expert charged with terror offences"

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/ckg4180np8do
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 55,111
    Trump praises Mandelson's accent.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 38,375
    The deal is: US trebles tariffs on the UK, and in return the UK cuts tariffs by two-thirds…

    This from Lutnick’s chart in the White House…


  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 65,211
    Trump endorses Brexit
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 34,684

    rcs1000 said:

    Trump says the US-UK trade deal affirms the "reciprocity and fairness" that he believes is essential to international trade.

    The deal will involve billions of dollars of American exports including American beef, ethanol, and other agricultural products, Trump says.

    There are no tariffs on ethanol exports to the UK.
    Trump lying surely not....
    Maybe just misinformed. After all he's relying on what his acolytes have told him.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 59,718
    MaxPB said:

    UK to buy 10 billion dollars of Boeing planes

    Not sure Airbus will be impressed

    The state or BA? BA was already buying those anyway I think.
    The Trump administration is very big on reannouncing things that were going to happen anyway.
  • FossFoss Posts: 1,470
    Today is a very good day to be a Polish nVidia sales rep; Trump is rolling back the Biden chip export restrictions.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 59,718

    Starmer and Trump now Donald and Keir and certainly it seems a win for Starmer

    The conservative and the right should welcome the deal and also maybe a lesson to Davey that sometimes crawling and pulling all the levers is the only way rather than antagonism

    Nigel and Kemi desperately need the narrative to return to the India deal and NI. They can't criticize this as a) it's supposed to be the pinnacle achievement of Brexit and b) it's being championed by Nige's mate.
    Trump is Starmer's mate now. It's the new Blair-Bush relationship with Starmer acting decisively to sabotage any global anti-Trump coalition.
    You had me until the second half of the second sentence: "decisively" :smile: indeed
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 83,873
    edited May 8
    So other than increased tariffs compared to pre Trump what have the UK got out of this deal?
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 83,873
    Trump says negotiations with China are planned for this weekend
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 59,718
    Foss said:

    Today is a very good day to be a Polish nVidia sales rep; Trump is rolling back the Biden chip export restrictions.

    I actually think this is sensible: Firstly, the restrictions didn't really work. Secondly, they acted as a massive stimulus to China to develop its own AI chip capability. It's probably more in the US's interests that China buys their chips.

    However... (a) it's a bit late, as China now has massive tariffs on US exports, and (b) the US has proven itself to be an unreliable partner, so why would you trust that such restrictions are lifted forever?
  • CookieCookie Posts: 15,023
    Scott_xP said:

    The deal is: US trebles tariffs on the UK, and in return the UK cuts tariffs by two-thirds…

    This from Lutnick’s chart in the White House…


    Was it Keir making the deal? We should consider ourselves lucky he didn't throw in Norfolk as a sweetener.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 27,031
    edited May 8
    Cookie said:

    Scott_xP said:

    The deal is: US trebles tariffs on the UK, and in return the UK cuts tariffs by two-thirds…

    This from Lutnick’s chart in the White House…


    Was it Keir making the deal? We should consider ourselves lucky he didn't throw in Norfolk as a sweetener.
    Who's numbers are those? We have 2 different sets.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 77,155
    .
    Scott_xP said:

    The deal is: US trebles tariffs on the UK, and in return the UK cuts tariffs by two-thirds…

    This from Lutnick’s chart in the White House…


    Are there any facts out yet, as opposed to the bullshit spin ?
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 54,464
    rcs1000 said:

    MaxPB said:

    UK to buy 10 billion dollars of Boeing planes

    Not sure Airbus will be impressed

    The state or BA? BA was already buying those anyway I think.
    The Trump administration is very big on reannouncing things that were going to happen anyway.
    All governments do that.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 83,873
    edited May 8

    rcs1000 said:

    MaxPB said:

    UK to buy 10 billion dollars of Boeing planes

    Not sure Airbus will be impressed

    The state or BA? BA was already buying those anyway I think.
    The Trump administration is very big on reannouncing things that were going to happen anyway.
    All governments do that.
    Gordon Brown being the serial offender comes to mind....
  • FossFoss Posts: 1,470
    rcs1000 said:

    Foss said:

    Today is a very good day to be a Polish nVidia sales rep; Trump is rolling back the Biden chip export restrictions.

    I actually think this is sensible: Firstly, the restrictions didn't really work. Secondly, they acted as a massive stimulus to China to develop its own AI chip capability. It's probably more in the US's interests that China buys their chips.

    However... (a) it's a bit late, as China now has massive tariffs on US exports, and (b) the US has proven itself to be an unreliable partner, so why would you trust that such restrictions are lifted forever?
    It's something of a carrot to the EU who were quite unhappy about the effects on the single market.
  • ClippPClippP Posts: 1,968
    carnforth said:

    Pupils in the poorest areas of the country are being "locked out" of key A-level subjects - such as physics and computer science - because of a lack of trained teachers
    https://www.lbc.co.uk/news/uk/pupils-in-poorest-uk-areas-being-locked-out-of-key-a-level-subjects-due-to-teach/

    That's because all the physics teachers are on PB.

    Fysics teachers, Shirely?
    At least three physics teachers, I think. We used to have a biology teacher back in the day.
    Most physics teaching on schools is done by biology or chemistry teachers with a textbook.
    I would think a decent A level mathematics teacher would be able to mug up enough to do A level physics, if required. But I may be wrong.
    First, find your mathematics teacher......
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 77,155
    rcs1000 said:

    Foss said:

    Today is a very good day to be a Polish nVidia sales rep; Trump is rolling back the Biden chip export restrictions.

    I actually think this is sensible: Firstly, the restrictions didn't really work. Secondly, they acted as a massive stimulus to China to develop its own AI chip capability. It's probably more in the US's interests that China buys their chips.

    However... (a) it's a bit late, as China now has massive tariffs on US exports, and (b) the US has proven itself to be an unreliable partner, so why would you trust that such restrictions are lifted forever?
    And (c)
    ..While no timeline exists for the new rule, the spokeswoman indicated that officials are still debating the best approach to replace it...
  • carnforthcarnforth Posts: 5,921
    edited May 8

    UK to buy 10 billion dollars of Boeing planes

    Not sure Airbus will be impressed

    There is now a Boeing factory in the UK too, albeit a small one.
  • glwglw Posts: 10,390
    I expect every supermarket will make it clear where any beef they sell comes from.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 77,155
    Is this the new American spelling ?

    We are focused on LEATHILITY, MERITOCRACY, ACCOUNTABILITY, STANDARDS and READINESS.
    https://x.com/DODResponse/status/1919747877355590117
  • TimSTimS Posts: 15,163
    edited May 8
    So far no mention of DST. But I’d be surprised if it’s not in there.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 83,873
    edited May 8
    TimS said:

    So far no mention of DST.

    There is very little detail or headline grabbing things all round so far. JLR get to send their cars at rates they used to, the US get to send us some dodgy beef.
  • nico67nico67 Posts: 5,335
    There’s no hormone beef or chlorinated chicken . The beef that will be imported is non hormone .

    Overall I think what’s been reported is okay .
  • nico67nico67 Posts: 5,335
    TimS said:

    So far no mention of DST. But I’d be surprised if it’s not in there.

    No change it hasn’t been reduced .
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 83,873
    nico67 said:

    There’s no hormone beef or chlorinated chicken . The beef that will be imported is non hormone .

    Overall I think what’s been reported is okay .

    The Americans clearly think they can push it further...

    "This is going to exponentially increase our beef exports. And to be very clear, American beef is the safest, the best quality, and the crown jewel of American agriculture for the world," Rollins says. Looking ahead, Rollins says "all of the meats, all of the produce" are being considered for agricultural export.
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 34,684
    Where does this leave reversing Brexit?
  • novanova Posts: 774
    Scott_xP said:

    The deal is: US trebles tariffs on the UK, and in return the UK cuts tariffs by two-thirds…

    This from Lutnick’s chart in the White House…


    To be fair, given the absolute ignorance that has lead to this, from "VAT is a tariff" to "trade deficits are tariffs", this could refer to absolutely anything.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 38,375
    His brains are leaking out of his ears...

    @atrupar.com‬

    REPORTER: But we're seeing as a result that ports here in the US, the traffic has really slowed and now thousands of dockworkers are truck drivers are worried about their jobs

    TRUMP: That means we lose less money ... when you say it slowed down, that's a good thing, not a bad thing

    https://bsky.app/profile/atrupar.com/post/3looa7mqf5t2f
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 62,719

    Trump praises Mandelson's accent.

    I'm a fighter jet purchaser, not a quitter.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 65,211

    Where does this leave reversing Brexit?

    Very difficult
  • nico67nico67 Posts: 5,335

    nico67 said:

    There’s no hormone beef or chlorinated chicken . The beef that will be imported is non hormone .

    Overall I think what’s been reported is okay .

    The Americans clearly think they can push it further...

    "This is going to exponentially increase our beef exports. And to be very clear, American beef is the safest, the best quality, and the crown jewel of American agriculture for the world," Rollins says. Looking ahead, Rollins says "all of the meats, all of the produce" are being considered for agricultural export.
    That’s their spin . The UK will never accept chlorinated chicken or hormone beef as it would stop any deal EU deal .
  • carnforthcarnforth Posts: 5,921

    Where does this leave reversing Brexit?

    No harder. You just replace all these deals with EU deals upon re-entry. Also, still not happening.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 62,719

    So other than increased tariffs compared to pre Trump what have the UK got out of this deal?

    Certainty (as far as one can with Trump) of trading regime for the next 4 years?

    Tbh, that has a value to our economy as businesses can plan and predict.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 65,211
    nico67 said:

    nico67 said:

    There’s no hormone beef or chlorinated chicken . The beef that will be imported is non hormone .

    Overall I think what’s been reported is okay .

    The Americans clearly think they can push it further...

    "This is going to exponentially increase our beef exports. And to be very clear, American beef is the safest, the best quality, and the crown jewel of American agriculture for the world," Rollins says. Looking ahead, Rollins says "all of the meats, all of the produce" are being considered for agricultural export.
    That’s their spin . The UK will never accept chlorinated chicken or hormone beef as it would stop any deal EU deal .
    Trump mentioned reviewing chlorinating chicken
  • ConcanvasserConcanvasser Posts: 171
    The PM, Ambassador Mandleson and, by all accounts, Jonathan Reynolds should get credit to pushing this over the line. On top of a major trade deal with India only last week, they deserve credit imho.

    I do wonder if these deals are a tactical victory for a Labour PM but a strategic defeat for those in the Labour Party who really seemed to think we would be pushing to re-join the EU sooner rather than later.

    In my opinion, the facts of economic life are pulling us, post Bexit, further and further from the EU but I voted for it so would think that.

    If I were someone like Roger I think I'd be seriously miffed and looking at Sir Ed to kick up merry hell about a deal which puts us at such variance with our EU 'friends'

  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 65,211

    The PM, Ambassador Mandleson and, by all accounts, Jonathan Reynolds should get credit to pushing this over the line. On top of a major trade deal with India only last week, they deserve credit imho.

    I do wonder if these deals are a tactical victory for a Labour PM but a strategic defeat for those in the Labour Party who really seemed to think we would be pushing to re-join the EU sooner rather than later.

    In my opinion, the facts of economic life are pulling us, post Bexit, further and further from the EU but I voted for it so would think that.

    If I were someone like Roger I think I'd be seriously miffed and looking at Sir Ed to kick up merry hell about a deal which puts us at such variance with our EU 'friends'

    Fair comment
  • TimSTimS Posts: 15,163
    TimS said:

    So far no mention of DST. But I’d be surprised if it’s not in there.

    Reuters now reporting the DST is untouched. That’ll surprise the tech companies.

    So this looks like a very limited and provisional tariff relief agreement that leaves UK exporters and US consumers worse off than pre Trump but better off than they might theoretically have been.
  • TimSTimS Posts: 15,163

    The PM, Ambassador Mandleson and, by all accounts, Jonathan Reynolds should get credit to pushing this over the line. On top of a major trade deal with India only last week, they deserve credit imho.

    I do wonder if these deals are a tactical victory for a Labour PM but a strategic defeat for those in the Labour Party who really seemed to think we would be pushing to re-join the EU sooner rather than later.

    In my opinion, the facts of economic life are pulling us, post Bexit, further and further from the EU but I voted for it so would think that.

    If I were someone like Roger I think I'd be seriously miffed and looking at Sir Ed to kick up merry hell about a deal which puts us at such variance with our EU 'friends'

    This is all fairly minor tinkering. It won’t affect negotiations on closer integration with the EU. The DBT team very deliberately avoided anything that would create regulatory divergence in areas where UK-EU trade is material.

    The only thing it would potentially affect would be the attractiveness of rejoining the customs union in future, but that’s before we see where the US and EU end up on tariffs.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 83,873
    edited May 8
    TimS said:

    TimS said:

    So far no mention of DST. But I’d be surprised if it’s not in there.

    Reuters now reporting the DST is untouched. That’ll surprise the tech companies.

    So this looks like a very limited and provisional tariff relief agreement that leaves UK exporters and US consumers worse off than pre Trump but better off than they might theoretically have been.
    Unless there is a lot more in there that isn't being announced it is basically the government have got a mates rates deal for JLR and Rolls Royce and that's it.
  • TimSTimS Posts: 15,163

    TimS said:

    TimS said:

    So far no mention of DST. But I’d be surprised if it’s not in there.

    Reuters now reporting the DST is untouched. That’ll surprise the tech companies.

    So this looks like a very limited and provisional tariff relief agreement that leaves UK exporters and US consumers worse off than pre Trump but better off than they might theoretically have been.
    Unless there is a lot more in there that isn't being announced it is basically a deal for JLR.
    JLR and a few Oklahoma beef farmers perhaps. I assume the Boeing order is just a typical reannouncement of something that was happening anyway.
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 14,038
    Have we talked about the Reform UK councillor who has switched to independent as he's employed by the RAF and isn't meant to be standing for a political party? Mark Pack has the story: https://www.markpack.org.uk/174672/luke-shingler-reform-uk-councillor/
  • vikvik Posts: 335
    The second tweet gives a good idea of the likely Runcorn results under an Alternative Vote/Optional Preferential Voting system.

    Assuming that the percentage of Cons/LD/Green voters who are happy with a coalition between their own party & either of Lab or Reform would also allocate preferences in the same way, then we get:
    Raw Vote Labour Pref Reform Pref Final Vote
    Reform UK 12,645 14,096
    Labour 12,639 15,787
    Conservative 2,341 20% 55%
    Green 2,314 82% 3%
    Liberal Democrats 942 83% 10%
    A 6 vote Reform victory under FPTP is converted to a 1,690 vote Labour victory.

    https://bsky.app/profile/yougov.co.uk/post/3lonplmcwvs2v
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 34,741
    vik said:

    The second tweet gives a good idea of the likely Runcorn results under an Alternative Vote/Optional Preferential Voting system.

    Assuming that the percentage of Cons/LD/Green voters who are happy with a coalition between their own party & either of Lab or Reform would also allocate preferences in the same way, then we get:

    Raw Vote Labour Pref Reform Pref Final Vote
    Reform UK 12,645 14,096
    Labour 12,639 15,787
    Conservative 2,341 20% 55%
    Green 2,314 82% 3%
    Liberal Democrats 942 83% 10%
    A 6 vote Reform victory under FPTP is converted to a 1,690 vote Labour victory.

    https://bsky.app/profile/yougov.co.uk/post/3lonplmcwvs2v
    Interesting but obviously makes a lot of assumptions.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 77,155
    nova said:

    Scott_xP said:

    The deal is: US trebles tariffs on the UK, and in return the UK cuts tariffs by two-thirds…

    This from Lutnick’s chart in the White House…


    To be fair, given the absolute ignorance that has lead to this, from "VAT is a tariff" to "trade deficits are tariffs", this could refer to absolutely anything.
    It's meaningless.
    He also said this:
    US Secretary of Commerce Howard Lutnick is the next up to speak and begins by saying how "huge" the UK market is.
    He says the deal has opened up new market access including ethanol, beef and "virtually all products" from US farmers.
    "That will add $5bn of opportunity to American exporters," Lutnick says.
    "And we still have a 10% tariff on which will produce $6 billion of revenue for the United States."..


    That's clearly nonsense as it implies 10% on all UK exports, which we know isn't the case, as some - steel and aero engines, for example - are tariff free.

    I suspect it will be a while before any useful analysis is possible.
    And that we might well end up with the U.S. thinking they have a better deal than is the case.
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