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5 months ago the Conservatives were the 1/10 favourites to win the Canadian election

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  • kle4kle4 Posts: 98,548
    edited April 23
    HYUFD said:

    kle4 said:

    This kind of thing could be true, but feels a lot like what you have to say when you are not actually expecting to win and are doing your best to motivate dispirited supporters.

    We don't know what Monday holds because no poll can predict the future. But it is clear the CPC are narrowing the gap. They have the momentum going into E day. Carney support is soft . CPC voters are fired up. These are all very good things heading into E day for CPC.
    https://nitter.poast.org/Lawsome_/status/1915178689785897107#m

    On current polls the Canadian Conservatives are still polling at their highest levels since they last won a Federal election in 2011. The Liberals are just up even more but both are squeezing the minor parties the NDP and BQ rather than each other
    Sure, but that's cold comfort to the Conservatives if this happens (via viewcode's linked tweet)



    I doubt they'd get the near decade of adoration Corbyn still gets for increasing the voteshare but still losing.
  • Dura_AceDura_Ace Posts: 14,312



    Its a good job Zelensky name doesn't easily rhyme with English words otherwise Trump would be calling him by his nickname all the time by now.

    Z's nickname in the more rarified echelons of the Russian and Ukrainian media and blogosphere is Yudushka (lit. 'Little Judas'). This isn't based on any notion of treachery but a reference to the character Porfiry Vladimirovich in M. Y. Saltykov-Shchedrin's novel The Golovlyov Gentlemen. Z's plaintive and wheedling nature is thought to be reminiscent of the luckless Porfiry.

    So Trump could call him that if he is stuck for nickname ideas and has some familiarity with the darkest novel in the entire canon of 19th C. Russian literature.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 127,013
    edited April 23
    kle4 said:

    HYUFD said:

    kle4 said:

    This kind of thing could be true, but feels a lot like what you have to say when you are not actually expecting to win and are doing your best to motivate dispirited supporters.

    We don't know what Monday holds because no poll can predict the future. But it is clear the CPC are narrowing the gap. They have the momentum going into E day. Carney support is soft . CPC voters are fired up. These are all very good things heading into E day for CPC.
    https://nitter.poast.org/Lawsome_/status/1915178689785897107#m

    On current polls the Canadian Conservatives are still polling at their highest levels since they last won a Federal election in 2011. The Liberals are just up even more but both are squeezing the minor parties the NDP and BQ rather than each other
    Sure, but that's cold comfort to the Conservatives if this happens (via viewcode's linked tweet)



    I doubt they'd get the near decade of adoration Corbyn still gets for increasing the voteshare but still losing.
    Corbyn did get a second shot at it after losing in 2017 but gaining votes and seats as most likely would Poilevre if he lost but gained votes and seats.

    Even Carney is unlikely to be able to stretch the elastic to a 5th consecutive election victory for his party, a feat which also proved beyond John Major despite his similar come from behind win in 1992 as a new face on the block when he was trounced in 1997 five years later and had become tired and old news. Trump will also be out of the Oval Office when the next Canadian election is held
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 59,370


    That is a painting by Adolf Hitler.

    If you can't paint as well, you are literally worse than Hitler.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 54,819
    rcs1000 said:



    That is a painting by Adolf Hitler.

    If you can't paint as well, you are literally worse than Hitler.

    I can't tell if that's AH or AI.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 59,370

    rcs1000 said:



    That is a painting by Adolf Hitler.

    If you can't paint as well, you are literally worse than Hitler.

    I can't tell if that's AH or AI.
    It's AH: it's the main image from the Artwork of Adolf Hitler Wikipedia page
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 54,819
    rcs1000 said:

    rcs1000 said:



    That is a painting by Adolf Hitler.

    If you can't paint as well, you are literally worse than Hitler.

    I can't tell if that's AH or AI.
    It's AH: it's the main image from the Artwork of Adolf Hitler Wikipedia page
    I’d say AI is probably worse than AH in that case.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 83,469

    rcs1000 said:

    rcs1000 said:



    That is a painting by Adolf Hitler.

    If you can't paint as well, you are literally worse than Hitler.

    I can't tell if that's AH or AI.
    It's AH: it's the main image from the Artwork of Adolf Hitler Wikipedia page
    I’d say AI is probably worse than AH in that case.
    Careful, our robot overlords don't take too kindly to criticism.
  • FishingFishing Posts: 5,503
    rcs1000 said:
    As ever with people who write about economics without studying it, completely wrong-headed. If you subsidise a sector through cheap finance, you'll simply get capital that's inefficiently used, and a bunch of shit projects, because you incentivise precisely those low return projects that shouldn't be built at extortionate expense. See Biden's $5 million/job chip factories to duplicate capacity in Taiwan, which prove exactly the opposite of what you seem to think they do. There may be an argument for them on national security grounds, there's none on economics.

    The way to get a high-quality, sustainable manufacturing sector is the same way to get a good economy as a whole: low taxes, decent skills and light regulation. If America really wants more chip factories, a good place to start would be to simplify permitting, which makes building a new fab so difficult. Then think about how to provide the human skills and backup industries that are so crucial. Then once assured a decent rate of return, the finance problem should solve itself. The government replacing the private sector in allocating finance is a terrible idea because it is so wonderful at picking politically connected losers.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 59,749
    edited 2:40AM
    Just to conclude the cheese theme

    A foodie friend of mine actually found some cazu martzu in Sardinia. The live-maggot cheese. He sent me a video to prove it - I could see the maggots seething

    😬

    He then ate a fair bit and described it as “strongly flavoured and delicious”. However he confessed he was slightly unnerved when his Sardinian hosts gave him plastic goggles to wear, during the cheese feast, “because sometimes the maggots jump up to your face where they can eat out your eyes”

    Good morning from Kyrgyzstan
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 51,103
    carnforth said:

    Three recommended cheeses: Ecorce de Sapin from France, Monte Enebro from Spain (world's best soft goats cheese?), Cashel blue from Ireland.

    Bitto from the Valtellina is the king of hard cheeses. For semi-hard, look out for Aarewasser, from Switzerland. For a softer cheese, Bocconcino di Langa, a version of Tomino, is a delicious melty goats cheese from Italy. For something more widely available, it is hard to beat a decent slice of Comte.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 62,288
    kle4 said:

    HYUFD said:

    kle4 said:

    This kind of thing could be true, but feels a lot like what you have to say when you are not actually expecting to win and are doing your best to motivate dispirited supporters.

    We don't know what Monday holds because no poll can predict the future. But it is clear the CPC are narrowing the gap. They have the momentum going into E day. Carney support is soft . CPC voters are fired up. These are all very good things heading into E day for CPC.
    https://nitter.poast.org/Lawsome_/status/1915178689785897107#m

    On current polls the Canadian Conservatives are still polling at their highest levels since they last won a Federal election in 2011. The Liberals are just up even more but both are squeezing the minor parties the NDP and BQ rather than each other
    Sure, but that's cold comfort to the Conservatives if this happens (via viewcode's linked tweet)



    I doubt they'd get the near decade of adoration Corbyn still gets for increasing the voteshare but still losing.
    It's possible it could be closer than expected, but I still think Carney will get the votes where it matters.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 51,103
    HYUFD said:

    stodge said:

    Scott_xP said:

    @KevinASchofield

    NEW: Tories On Course To Lose 500 Seats In Local Election Humiliation

    https://x.com/KevinASchofield/status/1915149770307608706

    This is being discussed over at Vote 2012 which seems more interested in politics these days than this site. The truth is for either the Conservatives or Labour to lose 50% of the seats they are defending is rare.

    Last year, the Conservatives lost 474 but won 515 and in 1995 they lost 2,018 and won 2,169. The 2023 results which looked bad at the time (over a thousand losses) weren't historically that bad and might cause a problem for whoever is the Conservative leader in May 2027.

    For now, the Tory problem is they are defending a lot of seats won on a high tide and as I indicated earlier, they are polling less than half the vote they had at this time four years ago so losses and probably big losses are inevitable. Labour are defending, I think, 300 or so seats so if they make losses it won't be on the same scale.

    The other losers might be Independent candidates give more seats will have party candidates - the LDs are fighting 85% of seats and Greens 73% both well up on last year quite apart from Reform who have candidates in nearly every seat. This might accentuate Conservative losses or mitigate them if the anti-Tory vote is fragmented - we'll know much more at the end of next week.
    Lord Hayward still predicts Labour will come third on seats in May behind Reform and the Tories.

    Electoral Calculus predicts Labour will come fourth on seats even behind the LDs with the Tories just ahead of Reform in councils holding elections
    https://www.electoralcalculus.co.uk/blogs/ec_lepoll_20250314.html
    The Tories left with control of just Buckinghamshire, Leicestershire and Wiltshire! That would be worth seeing.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 51,103
    HYUFD said:

    kle4 said:

    This kind of thing could be true, but feels a lot like what you have to say when you are not actually expecting to win and are doing your best to motivate dispirited supporters.

    We don't know what Monday holds because no poll can predict the future. But it is clear the CPC are narrowing the gap. They have the momentum going into E day. Carney support is soft . CPC voters are fired up. These are all very good things heading into E day for CPC.
    https://nitter.poast.org/Lawsome_/status/1915178689785897107#m

    On current polls the Canadian Conservatives are still polling at their highest levels since they last won a Federal election in 2011. The Liberals are just up even more but both are squeezing the minor parties the NDP and BQ rather than each other
    My small 10/1 longshot bet on the Liberals forming the next Canadian government is looking most hopeful….
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 62,288
    IanB2 said:

    HYUFD said:

    kle4 said:

    This kind of thing could be true, but feels a lot like what you have to say when you are not actually expecting to win and are doing your best to motivate dispirited supporters.

    We don't know what Monday holds because no poll can predict the future. But it is clear the CPC are narrowing the gap. They have the momentum going into E day. Carney support is soft . CPC voters are fired up. These are all very good things heading into E day for CPC.
    https://nitter.poast.org/Lawsome_/status/1915178689785897107#m

    On current polls the Canadian Conservatives are still polling at their highest levels since they last won a Federal election in 2011. The Liberals are just up even more but both are squeezing the minor parties the NDP and BQ rather than each other
    My small 10/1 longshot bet on the Liberals forming the next Canadian government is looking most hopeful….
    Cracking bet.
  • TazTaz Posts: 17,619
    edited 6:04AM
    Sensible policy for a brighter Britain from the Lib Dems

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cly5g7v2qddo
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 30,807
    isam said:

    The latest Labour attack ad on the right.

    I think @Luckyguy1983 said it in response to the Kemi/Farage one, plenty of people wouldn’t mind if Reform & the Tories did team up. I can imagine if a similar ad were made by the Tories last year, ft Labour & the LDs, plenty of people would have thought ‘Great, as long as it’s not you’. This one seems to be saying it’s safe to vote either Reform or Conservative because either way you don’t get Labour.

    Vote Tory, get Reform.

    Vote Reform, get the Tories.

    That's what's on the table according to Robert Jenrick ➡️


    https://x.com/uklabour/status/1915099667114639460?s=46&t=CW4pL-mMpTqsJXCdjW0Z6Q

    It was me.

    These ads are badly confused, and trying (and failing) to do two things at once.

    If you're going to target Reform voters by telling them they will get the Tories in, fine. If you're going to target wet Tories by telling them they'll get deplorable Reform in, fine. You can't do both. Because they are trying to do both, they can't really caricature or condemn either scenario, so these are both quite flattering photos and they haven't been able to say how awful it would be if one of these things happens.

    Like the other one, this somewhat serves as an advert for a Tory Reform coalition.

  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 62,288
    Taz said:

    Sensible policy for a brighter Britain from the Lib Dems

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cly5g7v2qddo

    It's remarkable that even needs to be proposed.

    It's basic manners.
  • TazTaz Posts: 17,619

    Taz said:

    Sensible policy for a brighter Britain from the Lib Dems

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cly5g7v2qddo

    It's remarkable that even needs to be proposed.

    It's basic manners.
    Well quite. Something that seems to be in short supply in some areas. I saw some corbynite cretins online claiming it’s an anti poor measure as they cannot afford headphones. 🤷‍♂️
  • LeonLeon Posts: 59,749
    I have just been to the “biggest market in the world”

    It was dusty
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 43,324
    Leon said:

    I have just been to the “biggest market in the world”

    It was dusty

    Not wet then.
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,396
    algarkirk said:

    Just to note that the Guardian now have an editorial on the SCUK EA 2010 decision. Interestingly they do not say whether they agree with the decision, nor do they indicate where the law should stand. I should think this pretty much illustrates the dilemma the Guardian have in trying to work out what its readers would like it to think.

    https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2025/apr/23/the-guardian-view-on-the-uk-supreme-courts-equality-ruling-a-clear-legal-line-a-blurred-social-one

    Riddled with errors:

    Wow. This Guardian editorial on the Supreme Court ruling gets so much wrong, including factually, and smears a public servant who’s only doing her job. 🧵

    https://x.com/soniasodha/status/1915109460923592732
  • BattlebusBattlebus Posts: 664
    Taz said:

    Sensible policy for a brighter Britain from the Lib Dems

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cly5g7v2qddo

    Do we need more laws? Or even more politicians? And can this not be covered either by existing laws on public nuisance or by the operators refusing to transport those that disrupt journeys.

    Doesn't seem to be very liberal of them.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 30,154

    Taz said:

    Sensible policy for a brighter Britain from the Lib Dems

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cly5g7v2qddo

    It's remarkable that even needs to be proposed.

    It's basic manners.
    It is good manners but how the flip do the LibDems propose enforcing it while doing nothing about open drug use on buses and trains? Still, as a publicity stunt to get their name in the paper just before the locals, it makes a change from Ed Davey falling in the water.
  • Daveyboy1961Daveyboy1961 Posts: 4,494

    Taz said:

    Sensible policy for a brighter Britain from the Lib Dems

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cly5g7v2qddo

    It's remarkable that even needs to be proposed.

    It's basic manners.
    Unfortunately some people don't know basic manners.
  • MonksfieldMonksfield Posts: 2,864
    Scott_xP said:

    @scottlincicome

    "Mack Trucks announces layoffs at Lehigh Valley plant, blames tariffs"

    https://x.com/scottlincicome/status/1913058424503366120

    Is that the Lehigh valley in ‘checks notes’ Pennsylvania? Make America Great Again!

  • IcarusIcarus Posts: 1,003
    Leon said:

    Just to conclude the cheese theme

    A foodie friend of mine actually found some cazu martzu in Sardinia. The live-maggot cheese. He sent me a video to prove it - I could see the maggots seething

    😬

    He then ate a fair bit and described it as “strongly flavoured and delicious”. However he confessed he was slightly unnerved when his Sardinian hosts gave him plastic goggles to wear, during the cheese feast, “because sometimes the maggots jump up to your face where they can eat out your eyes”

    Good morning from Kyrgyzstan

    Try Crozier Blue - Crozier was my mother's family, - similar to Cashel Blue and made by them, but using sheep's milk.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 121,659

    NEW THREAD

  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 30,154

    IanB2 said:

    HYUFD said:

    kle4 said:

    This kind of thing could be true, but feels a lot like what you have to say when you are not actually expecting to win and are doing your best to motivate dispirited supporters.

    We don't know what Monday holds because no poll can predict the future. But it is clear the CPC are narrowing the gap. They have the momentum going into E day. Carney support is soft . CPC voters are fired up. These are all very good things heading into E day for CPC.
    https://nitter.poast.org/Lawsome_/status/1915178689785897107#m

    On current polls the Canadian Conservatives are still polling at their highest levels since they last won a Federal election in 2011. The Liberals are just up even more but both are squeezing the minor parties the NDP and BQ rather than each other
    My small 10/1 longshot bet on the Liberals forming the next Canadian government is looking most hopeful….
    Cracking bet.
    Mmm. Crackers. If only there were a site to advise on what to eat with crackers.
  • DopermeanDopermean Posts: 938

    Taz said:

    Sensible policy for a brighter Britain from the Lib Dems

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cly5g7v2qddo

    It's remarkable that even needs to be proposed.

    It's basic manners.
    It is good manners but how the flip do the LibDems propose enforcing it while doing nothing about open drug use on buses and trains? Still, as a publicity stunt to get their name in the paper just before the locals, it makes a change from Ed Davey falling in the water.
    If by open drug use you mean cannabis vapes etc then the priority should be drivers, quite normal to get a strong whiff of cannabis on my short morning cycle commute, usually from a van.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 59,749
    edited 6:35AM

    Leon said:

    I have just been to the “biggest market in the world”

    It was dusty

    Not wet then.
    Definitely more dusty. It’s called Dordoi

    Quite remarkable. A friend writes:

    Dordoi Bazaar:


    After the Soviet Union dissolved, Kyrgyzstan’s economy imploded. Formal industries collapsed. People had nothing - no jobs, no supply chains, no security.

    Necessity Breeds Bazaar: Out of the vacuum, people started trading - anything and everything. At first it was chaotic: selling from cars, sidewalks, fences.

    Containers as Infrastructure: Shipping containers were cheap, sturdy, and stackable. They became stalls, warehouses, shelters - and slowly, an entire ecosystem of commerce.

    Dordoi Group (a private company) formalised the sprawl - organizing, paving, expanding. By the 2000s, it was a full-blown economic hub, not just for Kyrgyzstan but for entire regions:

    Goods from China flowed in

    Buyers from Uzbekistan, Kazakhstan, even Russia came to stock up

    At its peak, over 20,000 people worked there. It became likely the largest open air market in the world: a kind of wild Silk Road reboot

    It is probably now in decline but still ENORMOUS and STRANGE and REALLY GOOD FOR CHEAP SOCKS AND PLOV
  • DopermeanDopermean Posts: 938
    Battlebus said:

    Taz said:

    Sensible policy for a brighter Britain from the Lib Dems

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cly5g7v2qddo

    Do we need more laws? Or even more politicians? And can this not be covered either by existing laws on public nuisance or by the operators refusing to transport those that disrupt journeys.

    Doesn't seem to be very liberal of them.
    Maybe if they hadn't conspired in "austerity"driven destruction of the police and criminal justice system it wouldn't be such an issue.
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 44,089

    malcolmg said:

    malcolmg said:

    tlg86 said:

    Miliband poised to charge homes in South more for electricity

    The Energy Secretary has been weighing up whether to push ahead with zonal pricing, which would split the country’s single national power market into different regions

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2025/04/23/miliband-set-to-back-switch-to-regional-electricity-pricing/
    Flag Quote · Like

    National Grid. The clue is in the name.
    Like NHS , at present we produce all the cheap energy which goes to London and comes back at multiple times the price. Suck it up. Southern subsidy junkies
    Bollocks. Wind farms in Scotland are coining it from constraint payments that the whole country (including Scotland) pays through green levies on electricity bills. Scotland's green energy revolution is a complete scam.
    bollox your deluded, typical southern grifter
    I live in Scotland?
    Southern Scotland
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 44,089

    Why are we continuing to placate the USA through some sort of a trade deal? Why can’t Labour read the tea leaves? If they had any sense, they’d be looking at strengthening European and Canadian relations. Trump really doesn’t give a damn, and we should stop the pretence

    They have tin ears
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