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Betting on the next Pope? That would be an ecumenical matter – politicalbetting.com

If you have any money resting in your account you might be contemplating betting on who will be the next Pope and bookies like Paddy Power are offering odds but I would caution against betting on these markets as this is the epitome of an insiders’ market.

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  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 62,474
    edited 6:28AM
    FPT:
    Good morning, everyone.

    F1: my review of Saudi Arabia is up here, including my take on the lap 1 incidents (Gasly-Tsunoda = racing incident, Verstappen entirely tried to gain an unfair advantage and deserved to be penalised) and how the title battle is shaping up. Also, the transcript has a lovely graph.

    Podbean: https://undercutters.podbean.com/e/f1-2025-saudi-arabian-grand-prix-review/

    Apple: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/f1-2025-saudi-arabian-grand-prix-review/id1786574257?i=1000704410551

    Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/episode/1xxxu5PeXCJvkNSieGr70V

    Amazon: https://music.amazon.com/podcasts/bcfe213b-55fb-408a-a823-dc6693ee9f78/episodes/6f22639b-8655-4bcd-9400-c3972b1a4994/undercutters---f1-podcast-f1-2025-saudi-arabian-grand-prix-review

    Transcript: https://morrisf1.blogspot.com/2025/04/f1-2025-saudi-arabian-grand-prix-review.html


    Edited extra bit: On-topic, not sure I'm inclined to bet on this. My leadership bets have tended to be iffy, except that one time I fluked my way to be really green on the Lib Dems (I was online at the moment almost every major announcement of not standing was made, having backed Swinson a day or two before the leadership election was announced).
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 54,175
    edited 6:28AM
    … and from the other perspective, there will be frantic attempts by the traditionalists to get a non-progressive candidate.

    Not all those appointed by the late Pope are 100% signed up to his agenda, either. Church politics doesn’t allow a Pope to take over the place like that.

    My Peruvian church going relatives are discussing this like football… one thing they were talking about was the conservatives backing a conservative candidate from a non-European country.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 83,416
    Steve Hilton, who served as director of strategy for the former prime minister, is the second prominent Republican to announce their candidacy for the 2026 contest to replace Gavin Newsom.

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/us/politics/2025/04/21/steve-hilton-enters-california-governor-race/
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 83,416
    Patient satisfaction with GP services in England has collapsed, research finds

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    The government’s policy of pushing GPs to offer more appointments may not be “wise” because GPs will respond by providing more remotely – which patients dislike.

    GP appointment times will need to be extended from 10 to 15 minutes if Streeting is to deliver his pledge to shift the NHS from a treatment to much more of an illness prevention service.

    If GPs shift to being more preventive in their work, that might reduce the number of appointments they can offer, because patients will need more time to discuss their health.

    https://www.theguardian.com/society/2025/apr/22/patient-satisfaction-gp-services-england-research
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 62,474
    By the way, does anybody know if the expression about young cardinals voting for an old pope is accurate?
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 73,480
    The interesting thing about these markets is not so much the betting but what they show about Catholic desires for the new Pope.

    That is why Parolin being favourite is significant. It may be name recognition - he has spent twelve years out and about - but as Francis' Secretary of State and closely associated with his policies, it suggests they want more of the same.

    Whether the Cardinals will agree is another question.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 73,480

    By the way, does anybody know if the expression about young cardinals voting for an old pope is accurate?

    We've had two popes over 75 in succession (it's 1990 since we had a pope under 70) but equally most of the cardinals are quite elderly themselves now. Just one under 50 and 15 under 60.
  • BattlebusBattlebus Posts: 659
    AFAIK, it's the Holy Spirit that chooses or guides the hands of those that select the next Pope.

    Would he/she/they be the 'insider' you are referring to?
  • TimSTimS Posts: 14,903
    Time to get Conclave on the box again.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 73,480
    Battlebus said:

    AFAIK, it's the Holy Spirit that chooses or guides the hands of those that select the next Pope.

    Would he/she/they be the 'insider' you are referring to?

    In my best Bernard Woolley voice:

    'Nobody is confident the Holy Ghost would understand what makes a good Pope.'
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 62,250

    Steve Hilton, who served as director of strategy for the former prime minister, is the second prominent Republican to announce their candidacy for the 2026 contest to replace Gavin Newsom.

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/us/politics/2025/04/21/steve-hilton-enters-california-governor-race/

    Eh, what?
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 26,527
    Those odds look appalling. Surely no one should be shorter than around 5/1.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 59,334

    FPT:
    Good morning, everyone.

    F1: my review of Saudi Arabia is up here, including my take on the lap 1 incidents (Gasly-Tsunoda = racing incident, Verstappen entirely tried to gain an unfair advantage and deserved to be penalised) and how the title battle is shaping up. Also, the transcript has a lovely graph.

    Podbean: https://undercutters.podbean.com/e/f1-2025-saudi-arabian-grand-prix-review/

    Apple: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/f1-2025-saudi-arabian-grand-prix-review/id1786574257?i=1000704410551

    Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/episode/1xxxu5PeXCJvkNSieGr70V

    Amazon: https://music.amazon.com/podcasts/bcfe213b-55fb-408a-a823-dc6693ee9f78/episodes/6f22639b-8655-4bcd-9400-c3972b1a4994/undercutters---f1-podcast-f1-2025-saudi-arabian-grand-prix-review

    Transcript: https://morrisf1.blogspot.com/2025/04/f1-2025-saudi-arabian-grand-prix-review.html


    Edited extra bit: On-topic, not sure I'm inclined to bet on this. My leadership bets have tended to be iffy, except that one time I fluked my way to be really green on the Lib Dems (I was online at the moment almost every major announcement of not standing was made, having backed Swinson a day or two before the leadership election was announced).

    I think Swinson might be a good shot in the next Papal market: the Catholics haven't had a woman leader yet, she's personable, and she's looking for a new opportunity.

    She's also made a big thing about persecution of Christians.

    If you get more than - say - 10 billion-to-1, then she might be worth a quid.
  • TazTaz Posts: 17,610
    Huawei is going to capture a lot of Nvidias market share in China and the rest of the world thanks to Trumps idiocy.

    https://x.com/kobeissiletter/status/1914279658008257001?s=61
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 121,635
    Disappointed that not one of you have spotted my TWO subtle Father Ted references.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 73,480

    Disappointed that not one of you have spotted my TWO subtle Father Ted references.

    Subtle? Feck!
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 59,334

    Steve Hilton, who served as director of strategy for the former prime minister, is the second prominent Republican to announce their candidacy for the 2026 contest to replace Gavin Newsom.

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/us/politics/2025/04/21/steve-hilton-enters-california-governor-race/

    Eh, what?
    He's become an American citizen, so he's welcome to stand.

    Personally, I think even Kamala high on ayahuasca would grind Hilton into the ground, given these midterms are not going to be a Republican highpoint and California is Democrat-central.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 73,480
    tlg86 said:

    Those odds look appalling. Surely no one should be shorter than around 5/1.

    The hats make them look bigger?
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 62,250
    FPT - you can't divorce religion, mythology, and faith from the march of human history.

    To do otherwise is a liberal fantasy.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 83,416
    edited 6:54AM
    Taz said:

    Huawei is going to capture a lot of Nvidias market share in China and the rest of the world thanks to Trumps idiocy.

    https://x.com/kobeissiletter/status/1914279658008257001?s=61

    In this specific case, Biden did the same as Trump, and China have thrown huge resources at this problem because they themselves don't want to be reliant on NVIDIA.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 59,334
    edited 6:54AM
    Taz said:

    Huawei is going to capture a lot of Nvidias market share in China and the rest of the world thanks to Trumps idiocy.

    https://x.com/kobeissiletter/status/1914279658008257001?s=61

    Well yes: Trump seems determined to destroy US prestige and influence, and ensure Chinese companies catch up with US ones.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 62,250
    TimS said:

    Time to get Conclave on the box again.

    Ralph Fiennes is a longshot, I think.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 121,635
    edited 6:56AM
    Well done Starmer, fishing is worth feck all, we need to focus on the big issues, I will never forgive Boris Johnson for prioritising fish over financial services when it came to the Brexit deal.

    Starmer close to EU arms deal — at the expense of fishermen

    British firms will be able to bid for the new €150 billion EU defence fund after the UK makes concessions on fishing quotas


    Sir Keir Starmer is close to striking a major trade deal with the EU that would allow British arms companies to sell billions of pounds of weapons to European allies.

    British firms will be able to bid for the new €150 billion EU defence fund as part of Starmer’s reset with the bloc after the UK made significant concessions to Brussels on fishing rights.

    The prime minister will host an EU-UK summit on May 19 in London as he seeks to ease trade barriers with Brussels.


    https://www.thetimes.com/uk/politics/article/starmer-close-to-eu-arms-deal-at-the-expense-of-fishermen-fwckp5btr
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 62,250
    What would our Supreme Court make of it if Robert Sarah wins?
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 59,334

    FPT - you can't divorce religion, mythology, and faith from the march of human history.

    To do otherwise is a liberal fantasy.

    Nor can you divorce basic human instincts. Indeed, you might even say that religion is a byproduct of said basic human instincts.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 121,635

    Steve Hilton, who served as director of strategy for the former prime minister, is the second prominent Republican to announce their candidacy for the 2026 contest to replace Gavin Newsom.

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/us/politics/2025/04/21/steve-hilton-enters-california-governor-race/

    Eh, what?
    He's gone full MAGA.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 73,480

    Well done Starmer, fishing is worth feck all, we need to focus on the big issues, I will never forgive Boris Johnson for prioritising fish over financial services when it came to the Brexit deal.

    Starmer close to EU arms deal — at the expense of fishermen

    British firms will be able to bid for the new €150 billion EU defence fund after the UK makes concessions on fishing quotas


    https://www.thetimes.com/uk/politics/article/starmer-close-to-eu-arms-deal-at-the-expense-of-fishermen-fwckp5btr

    Given - ironically - bungled EU policies on fishing* it's not as though our fishing industry is actually worth saving at more than a hobby level anyway.

    *Admittedly it wasn't the only factor but it was a major one.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 59,334
    TimS said:

    Time to get Conclave on the box again.

    Plausibility: 0/10
    Cinematography: 10/10
    Constipated look on Ralph Fiennes' face: 11/10
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 62,250
    rcs1000 said:

    FPT - you can't divorce religion, mythology, and faith from the march of human history.

    To do otherwise is a liberal fantasy.

    Nor can you divorce basic human instincts. Indeed, you might even say that religion is a byproduct of said basic human instincts.
    Exactly.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 73,480
    rcs1000 said:

    TimS said:

    Time to get Conclave on the box again.

    Plausibility: 0/10
    Cinematography: 10/10
    Constipated look on Ralph Fiennes' face: 11/10
    Bit of a strain, that last one.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 62,250
    ydoethur said:

    Well done Starmer, fishing is worth feck all, we need to focus on the big issues, I will never forgive Boris Johnson for prioritising fish over financial services when it came to the Brexit deal.

    Starmer close to EU arms deal — at the expense of fishermen

    British firms will be able to bid for the new €150 billion EU defence fund after the UK makes concessions on fishing quotas


    https://www.thetimes.com/uk/politics/article/starmer-close-to-eu-arms-deal-at-the-expense-of-fishermen-fwckp5btr

    Given - ironically - bungled EU policies on fishing* it's not as though our fishing industry is actually worth saving at more than a hobby level anyway.

    *Admittedly it wasn't the only factor but it was a major one.
    The biggest problem with our fishing industry is that Brits don't eat fish (yes, I know fish & chips but thats peripheral and doesn't even really come from British waters) , unlike the French and Spanish. We prefer pizza, burgers, steak and fried chicken etc.

    If we did, then we'd have a much bigger one and far less going to export.
  • JohnLilburneJohnLilburne Posts: 6,586
    ydoethur said:

    By the way, does anybody know if the expression about young cardinals voting for an old pope is accurate?

    We've had two popes over 75 in succession (it's 1990 since we had a pope under 70) but equally most of the cardinals are quite elderly themselves now. Just one under 50 and 15 under 60.
    I read somewhere that the example of JP2 (elected at 58, reigned for 27 years) has put them off electing young popes.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 73,480

    ydoethur said:

    Well done Starmer, fishing is worth feck all, we need to focus on the big issues, I will never forgive Boris Johnson for prioritising fish over financial services when it came to the Brexit deal.

    Starmer close to EU arms deal — at the expense of fishermen

    British firms will be able to bid for the new €150 billion EU defence fund after the UK makes concessions on fishing quotas


    https://www.thetimes.com/uk/politics/article/starmer-close-to-eu-arms-deal-at-the-expense-of-fishermen-fwckp5btr

    Given - ironically - bungled EU policies on fishing* it's not as though our fishing industry is actually worth saving at more than a hobby level anyway.

    *Admittedly it wasn't the only factor but it was a major one.
    The biggest problem with our fishing industry is that Brits don't eat fish (yes, I know fish & chips but thats peripheral and doesn't even really come from British waters) , unlike the French and Spanish. We prefer pizza, burgers, steak and fried chicken etc.

    If we did, then we'd have a much bigger one and far less going to export.
    That, to be fair, is also true but there was a time when it wasn't. Certainly until the 1960s fish formed a very important part of ordinary peoples' diets precisely because it was cheap. In the war years, as well, it was important as it wasn't rationed.

    I'm not sure why it changed, or exactly when. Was it maybe because of overfishing that caused prices to rise and supply to plummet? Or was it simply a change in tastes?
  • RattersRatters Posts: 1,294

    Well done Starmer, fishing is worth feck all, we need to focus on the big issues, I will never forgive Boris Johnson for prioritising fish over financial services when it came to the Brexit deal.

    Starmer close to EU arms deal — at the expense of fishermen

    British firms will be able to bid for the new €150 billion EU defence fund after the UK makes concessions on fishing quotas


    Sir Keir Starmer is close to striking a major trade deal with the EU that would allow British arms companies to sell billions of pounds of weapons to European allies.

    British firms will be able to bid for the new €150 billion EU defence fund as part of Starmer’s reset with the bloc after the UK made significant concessions to Brussels on fishing rights.

    The prime minister will host an EU-UK summit on May 19 in London as he seeks to ease trade barriers with Brussels.


    https://www.thetimes.com/uk/politics/article/starmer-close-to-eu-arms-deal-at-the-expense-of-fishermen-fwckp5btr

    I dunno - does Russia eat much fish? They might give us a better quota than the French.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 73,480
    Ratters said:

    Well done Starmer, fishing is worth feck all, we need to focus on the big issues, I will never forgive Boris Johnson for prioritising fish over financial services when it came to the Brexit deal.

    Starmer close to EU arms deal — at the expense of fishermen

    British firms will be able to bid for the new €150 billion EU defence fund after the UK makes concessions on fishing quotas


    Sir Keir Starmer is close to striking a major trade deal with the EU that would allow British arms companies to sell billions of pounds of weapons to European allies.

    British firms will be able to bid for the new €150 billion EU defence fund as part of Starmer’s reset with the bloc after the UK made significant concessions to Brussels on fishing rights.

    The prime minister will host an EU-UK summit on May 19 in London as he seeks to ease trade barriers with Brussels.


    https://www.thetimes.com/uk/politics/article/starmer-close-to-eu-arms-deal-at-the-expense-of-fishermen-fwckp5btr

    I dunno - does Russia eat much fish? They might give us a better quota than the French.
    A lot according to this, but a lot from inland.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fishing_industry_in_Russia

    I don't think we can offer them caviar...
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 45,336
    ydoethur said:

    ydoethur said:

    Well done Starmer, fishing is worth feck all, we need to focus on the big issues, I will never forgive Boris Johnson for prioritising fish over financial services when it came to the Brexit deal.

    Starmer close to EU arms deal — at the expense of fishermen

    British firms will be able to bid for the new €150 billion EU defence fund after the UK makes concessions on fishing quotas


    https://www.thetimes.com/uk/politics/article/starmer-close-to-eu-arms-deal-at-the-expense-of-fishermen-fwckp5btr

    Given - ironically - bungled EU policies on fishing* it's not as though our fishing industry is actually worth saving at more than a hobby level anyway.

    *Admittedly it wasn't the only factor but it was a major one.
    The biggest problem with our fishing industry is that Brits don't eat fish (yes, I know fish & chips but thats peripheral and doesn't even really come from British waters) , unlike the French and Spanish. We prefer pizza, burgers, steak and fried chicken etc.

    If we did, then we'd have a much bigger one and far less going to export.
    That, to be fair, is also true but there was a time when it wasn't. Certainly until the 1960s fish formed a very important part of ordinary peoples' diets precisely because it was cheap. In the war years, as well, it was important as it wasn't rationed.

    I'm not sure why it changed, or exactly when. Was it maybe because of overfishing that caused prices to rise and supply to plummet? Or was it simply a change in tastes?
    It would be interesting to see how the prices of 'red' meat (pork, beef, chicken etc) has changed in price relative to white meats such as fish since WW2. My *impression* is that red meat has got relatively cheaper due to improved farming methods.

    But the use of offal has also largely disappeared, and processed meats increased massively.
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,371
    Bridget Phillipson was crystal clear on R4 just now, women’s facilities are for women only.
    [Link to audio clip]

    https://x.com/roseveniceallan/status/1914576957892608050
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 76,639
    Taz said:

    Huawei is going to capture a lot of Nvidias market share in China and the rest of the world thanks to Trumps idiocy.

    https://x.com/kobeissiletter/status/1914279658008257001?s=61

    More accurate to say that it will do so much sooner than it otherwise might have done.

    The real worry for western chipmakers in the fairly near term is the increasing market threat from Chinese DRAM manufacturers. EUV machines aren't essential to compete at the high end, so it's more vulnerable.
    China might do the same to that market as they've done to power semiconductors.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 73,480
    edited 7:16AM

    ydoethur said:

    ydoethur said:

    Well done Starmer, fishing is worth feck all, we need to focus on the big issues, I will never forgive Boris Johnson for prioritising fish over financial services when it came to the Brexit deal.

    Starmer close to EU arms deal — at the expense of fishermen

    British firms will be able to bid for the new €150 billion EU defence fund after the UK makes concessions on fishing quotas


    https://www.thetimes.com/uk/politics/article/starmer-close-to-eu-arms-deal-at-the-expense-of-fishermen-fwckp5btr

    Given - ironically - bungled EU policies on fishing* it's not as though our fishing industry is actually worth saving at more than a hobby level anyway.

    *Admittedly it wasn't the only factor but it was a major one.
    The biggest problem with our fishing industry is that Brits don't eat fish (yes, I know fish & chips but thats peripheral and doesn't even really come from British waters) , unlike the French and Spanish. We prefer pizza, burgers, steak and fried chicken etc.

    If we did, then we'd have a much bigger one and far less going to export.
    That, to be fair, is also true but there was a time when it wasn't. Certainly until the 1960s fish formed a very important part of ordinary peoples' diets precisely because it was cheap. In the war years, as well, it was important as it wasn't rationed.

    I'm not sure why it changed, or exactly when. Was it maybe because of overfishing that caused prices to rise and supply to plummet? Or was it simply a change in tastes?
    It would be interesting to see how the prices of 'red' meat (pork, beef, chicken etc) has changed in price relative to white meats such as fish since WW2. My *impression* is that red meat has got relatively cheaper due to improved farming methods.

    But the use of offal has also largely disappeared, and processed meats increased massively.
    This of any help? I know it's from 1954 but it offers a flavour (no pun intended):

    https://www.researchgate.net/figure/Meat-prices-1954-64-pence-per-pound-Source-National-Food-Survey-1955-65_fig2_46553334

    It doesn't appear to be adjusted for inflation.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 76,639

    Disappointed that not one of you have spotted my TWO subtle Father Ted references.

    Perhaps they were just too polite to remark on them ?
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 38,075
    Front page of the Wall Street Journal


  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 73,480
    Nigelb said:

    Disappointed that not one of you have spotted my TWO subtle Father Ted references.

    Perhaps they were just too polite to remark on them ?
    Are you suggesting that otherwise we would point at TSE and shout 'gobshite?'
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 43,303
    edited 7:22AM
    ydoethur said:

    ydoethur said:

    Well done Starmer, fishing is worth feck all, we need to focus on the big issues, I will never forgive Boris Johnson for prioritising fish over financial services when it came to the Brexit deal.

    Starmer close to EU arms deal — at the expense of fishermen

    British firms will be able to bid for the new €150 billion EU defence fund after the UK makes concessions on fishing quotas


    https://www.thetimes.com/uk/politics/article/starmer-close-to-eu-arms-deal-at-the-expense-of-fishermen-fwckp5btr

    Given - ironically - bungled EU policies on fishing* it's not as though our fishing industry is actually worth saving at more than a hobby level anyway.

    *Admittedly it wasn't the only factor but it was a major one.
    The biggest problem with our fishing industry is that Brits don't eat fish (yes, I know fish & chips but thats peripheral and doesn't even really come from British waters) , unlike the French and Spanish. We prefer pizza, burgers, steak and fried chicken etc.

    If we did, then we'd have a much bigger one and far less going to export.
    That, to be fair, is also true but there was a time when it wasn't. Certainly until the 1960s fish formed a very important part of ordinary peoples' diets precisely because it was cheap. In the war years, as well, it was important as it wasn't rationed.

    I'm not sure why it changed, or exactly when. Was it maybe because of overfishing that caused prices to rise and supply to plummet? Or was it simply a change in tastes?
    Herring was reasonably common and cheap even when I was a kid (fried in oatmeal, yum). Its decline was so disastrous there was barely time for prices to rise.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 76,639
    rcs1000 said:

    TimS said:

    Time to get Conclave on the box again.

    Plausibility: 0/10
    Cinematography: 10/10
    Constipated look on Ralph Fiennes' face: 11/10
    Wait 'til you see him as Odysseus.
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 62,474
    Scott_xP said:

    Front page of the Wall Street Journal


    Be fair. Trump did say that America's 'Golden Age' was beginning, so everyone surely expected gold prices to soar, right?
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 43,303

    Scott_xP said:

    Front page of the Wall Street Journal


    Be fair. Trump did say that America's 'Golden Age' was beginning, so everyone surely expected gold prices to soar, right?
    It’s gonna be beautiful, so golden you’ll feel like you’re showering in it.
  • eekeek Posts: 29,712

    By the way, does anybody know if the expression about young cardinals voting for an old pope is accurate?

    For those with ambition - yes. Too young and unknown to win this time they may have a chance if there is a second conclave while they are young enough to attend where just maybe....
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 51,190
    ydoethur said:

    ydoethur said:

    Well done Starmer, fishing is worth feck all, we need to focus on the big issues, I will never forgive Boris Johnson for prioritising fish over financial services when it came to the Brexit deal.

    Starmer close to EU arms deal — at the expense of fishermen

    British firms will be able to bid for the new €150 billion EU defence fund after the UK makes concessions on fishing quotas


    https://www.thetimes.com/uk/politics/article/starmer-close-to-eu-arms-deal-at-the-expense-of-fishermen-fwckp5btr

    Given - ironically - bungled EU policies on fishing* it's not as though our fishing industry is actually worth saving at more than a hobby level anyway.

    *Admittedly it wasn't the only factor but it was a major one.
    The biggest problem with our fishing industry is that Brits don't eat fish (yes, I know fish & chips but thats peripheral and doesn't even really come from British waters) , unlike the French and Spanish. We prefer pizza, burgers, steak and fried chicken etc.

    If we did, then we'd have a much bigger one and far less going to export.
    That, to be fair, is also true but there was a time when it wasn't. Certainly until the 1960s fish formed a very important part of ordinary peoples' diets precisely because it was cheap. In the war years, as well, it was important as it wasn't rationed.

    I'm not sure why it changed, or exactly when. Was it maybe because of overfishing that caused prices to rise and supply to plummet? Or was it simply a change in tastes?
    Wasn't it post Cod War?

    Our fishing industry always fished heavily in other countries waters, at least before the 200 mile limit came in. After that stopped, we stopped eating so much fish.

    Then battery chickens came in. Chicken was once an expensive meat.
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 43,303
    Kemi customarily tetchy on R4.
  • TimSTimS Posts: 14,903
    edited 7:25AM
    Leon said:

    Well done Starmer, fishing is worth feck all, we need to focus on the big issues, I will never forgive Boris Johnson for prioritising fish over financial services when it came to the Brexit deal.

    Starmer close to EU arms deal — at the expense of fishermen

    British firms will be able to bid for the new €150 billion EU defence fund after the UK makes concessions on fishing quotas


    Sir Keir Starmer is close to striking a major trade deal with the EU that would allow British arms companies to sell billions of pounds of weapons to European allies.

    British firms will be able to bid for the new €150 billion EU defence fund as part of Starmer’s reset with the bloc after the UK made significant concessions to Brussels on fishing rights.

    The prime minister will host an EU-UK summit on May 19 in London as he seeks to ease trade barriers with Brussels.


    https://www.thetimes.com/uk/politics/article/starmer-close-to-eu-arms-deal-at-the-expense-of-fishermen-fwckp5btr

    It’s a stupid deal. He’s giving away something concrete - fishing rights - for something possible - the right to bid for arms deals

    It’s exactly the same as Blair. Giving away something concrete - half the Rebate - for something possible - the promise to reform CAP (which never happened)

    It’s classic bad British EU negotiation. Plus ca change….
    We held precious few cards here. We are no longer EU members. It seems a good deal to me. Decent access to an upcoming bonanza in exchange for marginal access to a tiny industry. Though @Fishing will be nominatively unhappy.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 62,250
    ydoethur said:

    ydoethur said:

    Well done Starmer, fishing is worth feck all, we need to focus on the big issues, I will never forgive Boris Johnson for prioritising fish over financial services when it came to the Brexit deal.

    Starmer close to EU arms deal — at the expense of fishermen

    British firms will be able to bid for the new €150 billion EU defence fund after the UK makes concessions on fishing quotas


    https://www.thetimes.com/uk/politics/article/starmer-close-to-eu-arms-deal-at-the-expense-of-fishermen-fwckp5btr

    Given - ironically - bungled EU policies on fishing* it's not as though our fishing industry is actually worth saving at more than a hobby level anyway.

    *Admittedly it wasn't the only factor but it was a major one.
    The biggest problem with our fishing industry is that Brits don't eat fish (yes, I know fish & chips but thats peripheral and doesn't even really come from British waters) , unlike the French and Spanish. We prefer pizza, burgers, steak and fried chicken etc.

    If we did, then we'd have a much bigger one and far less going to export.
    That, to be fair, is also true but there was a time when it wasn't. Certainly until the 1960s fish formed a very important part of ordinary peoples' diets precisely because it was cheap. In the war years, as well, it was important as it wasn't rationed.

    I'm not sure why it changed, or exactly when. Was it maybe because of overfishing that caused prices to rise and supply to plummet? Or was it simply a change in tastes?
    I don't know. But we prefer to eat absolute shite now instead.
  • eekeek Posts: 29,712

    Well done Starmer, fishing is worth feck all, we need to focus on the big issues, I will never forgive Boris Johnson for prioritising fish over financial services when it came to the Brexit deal.

    Starmer close to EU arms deal — at the expense of fishermen

    British firms will be able to bid for the new €150 billion EU defence fund after the UK makes concessions on fishing quotas


    Sir Keir Starmer is close to striking a major trade deal with the EU that would allow British arms companies to sell billions of pounds of weapons to European allies.

    British firms will be able to bid for the new €150 billion EU defence fund as part of Starmer’s reset with the bloc after the UK made significant concessions to Brussels on fishing rights.

    The prime minister will host an EU-UK summit on May 19 in London as he seeks to ease trade barriers with Brussels.


    https://www.thetimes.com/uk/politics/article/starmer-close-to-eu-arms-deal-at-the-expense-of-fishermen-fwckp5btr

    Wasn't there a documentary a while ago that revealed that a lot of our fishing industry now had ultimate owners that were not in the UK..
  • EabhalEabhal Posts: 10,115

    ydoethur said:

    Well done Starmer, fishing is worth feck all, we need to focus on the big issues, I will never forgive Boris Johnson for prioritising fish over financial services when it came to the Brexit deal.

    Starmer close to EU arms deal — at the expense of fishermen

    British firms will be able to bid for the new €150 billion EU defence fund after the UK makes concessions on fishing quotas


    https://www.thetimes.com/uk/politics/article/starmer-close-to-eu-arms-deal-at-the-expense-of-fishermen-fwckp5btr

    Given - ironically - bungled EU policies on fishing* it's not as though our fishing industry is actually worth saving at more than a hobby level anyway.

    *Admittedly it wasn't the only factor but it was a major one.
    The biggest problem with our fishing industry is that Brits don't eat fish (yes, I know fish & chips but thats peripheral and doesn't even really come from British waters) , unlike the French and Spanish. We prefer pizza, burgers, steak and fried chicken etc.

    If we did, then we'd have a much bigger one and far less going to export.
    Fishing stats are always a surprise. We would need to start eating an awful lot more herring and mackerel, and stop eating so much tuna and haddock/cod.

    One thing to bear in mind is that quotas are privately owned. A large proportion of English/Welsh quotas are in foreign hands, and in Scotland tend to be dominated by a few family businesses.
  • TimSTimS Posts: 14,903
    rcs1000 said:

    TimS said:

    Time to get Conclave on the box again.

    Plausibility: 0/10
    Cinematography: 10/10
    Constipated look on Ralph Fiennes' face: 11/10
    The plausibility is shot completely by the winning candidate. The rest of it - all the other candidates, and the subplots - is much more plausible.
  • FairlieredFairliered Posts: 5,586
    ydoethur said:

    ydoethur said:

    Well done Starmer, fishing is worth feck all, we need to focus on the big issues, I will never forgive Boris Johnson for prioritising fish over financial services when it came to the Brexit deal.

    Starmer close to EU arms deal — at the expense of fishermen

    British firms will be able to bid for the new €150 billion EU defence fund after the UK makes concessions on fishing quotas


    https://www.thetimes.com/uk/politics/article/starmer-close-to-eu-arms-deal-at-the-expense-of-fishermen-fwckp5btr

    Given - ironically - bungled EU policies on fishing* it's not as though our fishing industry is actually worth saving at more than a hobby level anyway.

    *Admittedly it wasn't the only factor but it was a major one.
    The biggest problem with our fishing industry is that Brits don't eat fish (yes, I know fish & chips but thats peripheral and doesn't even really come from British waters) , unlike the French and Spanish. We prefer pizza, burgers, steak and fried chicken etc.

    If we did, then we'd have a much bigger one and far less going to export.
    That, to be fair, is also true but there was a time when it wasn't. Certainly until the 1960s fish formed a very important part of ordinary peoples' diets precisely because it was cheap. In the war years, as well, it was important as it wasn't rationed.

    I'm not sure why it changed, or exactly when. Was it maybe because of overfishing that caused prices to rise and supply to plummet? Or was it simply a change in tastes?
    Fish mainly seems to be eaten by older people, so maybe it has fallen out of fashion. The same applies to offal.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 76,639

    ydoethur said:

    ydoethur said:

    Well done Starmer, fishing is worth feck all, we need to focus on the big issues, I will never forgive Boris Johnson for prioritising fish over financial services when it came to the Brexit deal.

    Starmer close to EU arms deal — at the expense of fishermen

    British firms will be able to bid for the new €150 billion EU defence fund after the UK makes concessions on fishing quotas


    https://www.thetimes.com/uk/politics/article/starmer-close-to-eu-arms-deal-at-the-expense-of-fishermen-fwckp5btr

    Given - ironically - bungled EU policies on fishing* it's not as though our fishing industry is actually worth saving at more than a hobby level anyway.

    *Admittedly it wasn't the only factor but it was a major one.
    The biggest problem with our fishing industry is that Brits don't eat fish (yes, I know fish & chips but thats peripheral and doesn't even really come from British waters) , unlike the French and Spanish. We prefer pizza, burgers, steak and fried chicken etc.

    If we did, then we'd have a much bigger one and far less going to export.
    That, to be fair, is also true but there was a time when it wasn't. Certainly until the 1960s fish formed a very important part of ordinary peoples' diets precisely because it was cheap. In the war years, as well, it was important as it wasn't rationed.

    I'm not sure why it changed, or exactly when. Was it maybe because of overfishing that caused prices to rise and supply to plummet? Or was it simply a change in tastes?
    It would be interesting to see how the prices of 'red' meat (pork, beef, chicken etc) has changed in price relative to white meats such as fish since WW2. My *impression* is that red meat has got relatively cheaper due to improved farming methods.

    But the use of offal has also largely disappeared, and processed meats increased massively.
    ONS prices of beef and white fish, 2000 to 2020:

    Beef - 1467 rising to 1889
    Fish - 829 rising to 2059

    That's a massive relative change.
  • TimSTimS Posts: 14,903

    ydoethur said:

    ydoethur said:

    Well done Starmer, fishing is worth feck all, we need to focus on the big issues, I will never forgive Boris Johnson for prioritising fish over financial services when it came to the Brexit deal.

    Starmer close to EU arms deal — at the expense of fishermen

    British firms will be able to bid for the new €150 billion EU defence fund after the UK makes concessions on fishing quotas


    https://www.thetimes.com/uk/politics/article/starmer-close-to-eu-arms-deal-at-the-expense-of-fishermen-fwckp5btr

    Given - ironically - bungled EU policies on fishing* it's not as though our fishing industry is actually worth saving at more than a hobby level anyway.

    *Admittedly it wasn't the only factor but it was a major one.
    The biggest problem with our fishing industry is that Brits don't eat fish (yes, I know fish & chips but thats peripheral and doesn't even really come from British waters) , unlike the French and Spanish. We prefer pizza, burgers, steak and fried chicken etc.

    If we did, then we'd have a much bigger one and far less going to export.
    That, to be fair, is also true but there was a time when it wasn't. Certainly until the 1960s fish formed a very important part of ordinary peoples' diets precisely because it was cheap. In the war years, as well, it was important as it wasn't rationed.

    I'm not sure why it changed, or exactly when. Was it maybe because of overfishing that caused prices to rise and supply to plummet? Or was it simply a change in tastes?
    Fish mainly seems to be eaten by older people, so maybe it has fallen out of fashion. The same applies to offal.
    Really? Surprises me.
  • FairlieredFairliered Posts: 5,586

    ydoethur said:

    ydoethur said:

    Well done Starmer, fishing is worth feck all, we need to focus on the big issues, I will never forgive Boris Johnson for prioritising fish over financial services when it came to the Brexit deal.

    Starmer close to EU arms deal — at the expense of fishermen

    British firms will be able to bid for the new €150 billion EU defence fund after the UK makes concessions on fishing quotas


    https://www.thetimes.com/uk/politics/article/starmer-close-to-eu-arms-deal-at-the-expense-of-fishermen-fwckp5btr

    Given - ironically - bungled EU policies on fishing* it's not as though our fishing industry is actually worth saving at more than a hobby level anyway.

    *Admittedly it wasn't the only factor but it was a major one.
    The biggest problem with our fishing industry is that Brits don't eat fish (yes, I know fish & chips but thats peripheral and doesn't even really come from British waters) , unlike the French and Spanish. We prefer pizza, burgers, steak and fried chicken etc.

    If we did, then we'd have a much bigger one and far less going to export.
    That, to be fair, is also true but there was a time when it wasn't. Certainly until the 1960s fish formed a very important part of ordinary peoples' diets precisely because it was cheap. In the war years, as well, it was important as it wasn't rationed.

    I'm not sure why it changed, or exactly when. Was it maybe because of overfishing that caused prices to rise and supply to plummet? Or was it simply a change in tastes?
    Herring was reasonably common and cheap even when I was a kid (fried in oatmeal, yum). Its decline was so disastrous there was barely time for prices to rise.
    It’s now a special treat when our fish van has herring on board. I can vaguely remember tatties and herring nights. I haven’t heard of one in the last 50 years.
  • BurgessianBurgessian Posts: 2,978

    ydoethur said:

    ydoethur said:

    Well done Starmer, fishing is worth feck all, we need to focus on the big issues, I will never forgive Boris Johnson for prioritising fish over financial services when it came to the Brexit deal.

    Starmer close to EU arms deal — at the expense of fishermen

    British firms will be able to bid for the new €150 billion EU defence fund after the UK makes concessions on fishing quotas


    https://www.thetimes.com/uk/politics/article/starmer-close-to-eu-arms-deal-at-the-expense-of-fishermen-fwckp5btr

    Given - ironically - bungled EU policies on fishing* it's not as though our fishing industry is actually worth saving at more than a hobby level anyway.

    *Admittedly it wasn't the only factor but it was a major one.
    The biggest problem with our fishing industry is that Brits don't eat fish (yes, I know fish & chips but thats peripheral and doesn't even really come from British waters) , unlike the French and Spanish. We prefer pizza, burgers, steak and fried chicken etc.

    If we did, then we'd have a much bigger one and far less going to export.
    That, to be fair, is also true but there was a time when it wasn't. Certainly until the 1960s fish formed a very important part of ordinary peoples' diets precisely because it was cheap. In the war years, as well, it was important as it wasn't rationed.

    I'm not sure why it changed, or exactly when. Was it maybe because of overfishing that caused prices to rise and supply to plummet? Or was it simply a change in tastes?
    Herring was reasonably common and cheap even when I was a kid (fried in oatmeal, yum). Its decline was so disastrous there was barely time for prices to rise.
    Used to be able to get it on CalMac ferries not that long ago. Perhaps you still can.
    Nothing better as you ploughed across the Minch.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 59,727
    edited 7:36AM

    ydoethur said:

    ydoethur said:

    Well done Starmer, fishing is worth feck all, we need to focus on the big issues, I will never forgive Boris Johnson for prioritising fish over financial services when it came to the Brexit deal.

    Starmer close to EU arms deal — at the expense of fishermen

    British firms will be able to bid for the new €150 billion EU defence fund after the UK makes concessions on fishing quotas


    https://www.thetimes.com/uk/politics/article/starmer-close-to-eu-arms-deal-at-the-expense-of-fishermen-fwckp5btr

    Given - ironically - bungled EU policies on fishing* it's not as though our fishing industry is actually worth saving at more than a hobby level anyway.

    *Admittedly it wasn't the only factor but it was a major one.
    The biggest problem with our fishing industry is that Brits don't eat fish (yes, I know fish & chips but thats peripheral and doesn't even really come from British waters) , unlike the French and Spanish. We prefer pizza, burgers, steak and fried chicken etc.

    If we did, then we'd have a much bigger one and far less going to export.
    That, to be fair, is also true but there was a time when it wasn't. Certainly until the 1960s fish formed a very important part of ordinary peoples' diets precisely because it was cheap. In the war years, as well, it was important as it wasn't rationed.

    I'm not sure why it changed, or exactly when. Was it maybe because of overfishing that caused prices to rise and supply to plummet? Or was it simply a change in tastes?
    Fish mainly seems to be eaten by older people, so maybe it has fallen out of fashion. The same applies to offal.
    Not sure that’s true. Lot of people I know are pescatarian - and they tend to be younger


    Also I know people who generally opt for fish as it is more healthy and less cruel in its farming methods. Like, er, me

    I eat fish basically as often as I can. 3-4 times a week given the chance? More sometimes?

    One of the great drawbacks of Central Asia is the lack of fish
  • CiceroCicero Posts: 3,394
    ydoethur said:

    The interesting thing about these markets is not so much the betting but what they show about Catholic desires for the new Pope.

    That is why Parolin being favourite is significant. It may be name recognition - he has spent twelve years out and about - but as Francis' Secretary of State and closely associated with his policies, it suggests they want more of the same.

    Whether the Cardinals will agree is another question.

    Well, Francis did choose quite a large number of them. The conservative wing is much weaker this time around, and rather discredited from the repeated sexual scandals. Furthermore the mourning for Francis seems quite genuine- more fervent than for Benedict, for example.
    Not to mention the increasing concern in the Catholic church about the ways US MAGA-fascism is something of a wolf in sheep's clothing as far as Christianity in general is concerned.
  • boulayboulay Posts: 6,147
    Eabhal said:

    ydoethur said:

    Well done Starmer, fishing is worth feck all, we need to focus on the big issues, I will never forgive Boris Johnson for prioritising fish over financial services when it came to the Brexit deal.

    Starmer close to EU arms deal — at the expense of fishermen

    British firms will be able to bid for the new €150 billion EU defence fund after the UK makes concessions on fishing quotas


    https://www.thetimes.com/uk/politics/article/starmer-close-to-eu-arms-deal-at-the-expense-of-fishermen-fwckp5btr

    Given - ironically - bungled EU policies on fishing* it's not as though our fishing industry is actually worth saving at more than a hobby level anyway.

    *Admittedly it wasn't the only factor but it was a major one.
    The biggest problem with our fishing industry is that Brits don't eat fish (yes, I know fish & chips but thats peripheral and doesn't even really come from British waters) , unlike the French and Spanish. We prefer pizza, burgers, steak and fried chicken etc.

    If we did, then we'd have a much bigger one and far less going to export.
    Fishing stats are always a surprise. We would need to start eating an awful lot more herring and mackerel, and stop eating so much tuna and haddock/cod.

    One thing to bear in mind is that quotas are privately owned. A large proportion of English/Welsh quotas are in foreign hands, and in Scotland tend to be dominated by a few family businesses.
    We started getting a lot of Atlantic Blue fin Tuna in our waters over the last few years and we banned fishing of it and unsurprisingly the nearby French fishers have gone mad for it and fishing them as much as they can.

    It wouldn’t be such a problem to open up UK fishing grounds to EU (the French) if they gave a fuck about protecting stocks and environments. Bit they don’t.
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 13,651
    boulay said:

    Eabhal said:

    ydoethur said:

    Well done Starmer, fishing is worth feck all, we need to focus on the big issues, I will never forgive Boris Johnson for prioritising fish over financial services when it came to the Brexit deal.

    Starmer close to EU arms deal — at the expense of fishermen

    British firms will be able to bid for the new €150 billion EU defence fund after the UK makes concessions on fishing quotas


    https://www.thetimes.com/uk/politics/article/starmer-close-to-eu-arms-deal-at-the-expense-of-fishermen-fwckp5btr

    Given - ironically - bungled EU policies on fishing* it's not as though our fishing industry is actually worth saving at more than a hobby level anyway.

    *Admittedly it wasn't the only factor but it was a major one.
    The biggest problem with our fishing industry is that Brits don't eat fish (yes, I know fish & chips but thats peripheral and doesn't even really come from British waters) , unlike the French and Spanish. We prefer pizza, burgers, steak and fried chicken etc.

    If we did, then we'd have a much bigger one and far less going to export.
    Fishing stats are always a surprise. We would need to start eating an awful lot more herring and mackerel, and stop eating so much tuna and haddock/cod.

    One thing to bear in mind is that quotas are privately owned. A large proportion of English/Welsh quotas are in foreign hands, and in Scotland tend to be dominated by a few family businesses.
    We started getting a lot of Atlantic Blue fin Tuna in our waters over the last few years and we banned fishing of it and unsurprisingly the nearby French fishers have gone mad for it and fishing them as much as they can.

    It wouldn’t be such a problem to open up UK fishing grounds to EU (the French) if they gave a fuck about protecting stocks and environments. Bit they don’t.
    France has a quota for bluefin tuna: https://abft-lab.com/topics/fishing-market/738
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 65,486

    ydoethur said:

    ydoethur said:

    Well done Starmer, fishing is worth feck all, we need to focus on the big issues, I will never forgive Boris Johnson for prioritising fish over financial services when it came to the Brexit deal.

    Starmer close to EU arms deal — at the expense of fishermen

    British firms will be able to bid for the new €150 billion EU defence fund after the UK makes concessions on fishing quotas


    https://www.thetimes.com/uk/politics/article/starmer-close-to-eu-arms-deal-at-the-expense-of-fishermen-fwckp5btr

    Given - ironically - bungled EU policies on fishing* it's not as though our fishing industry is actually worth saving at more than a hobby level anyway.

    *Admittedly it wasn't the only factor but it was a major one.
    The biggest problem with our fishing industry is that Brits don't eat fish (yes, I know fish & chips but thats peripheral and doesn't even really come from British waters) , unlike the French and Spanish. We prefer pizza, burgers, steak and fried chicken etc.

    If we did, then we'd have a much bigger one and far less going to export.
    That, to be fair, is also true but there was a time when it wasn't. Certainly until the 1960s fish formed a very important part of ordinary peoples' diets precisely because it was cheap. In the war years, as well, it was important as it wasn't rationed.

    I'm not sure why it changed, or exactly when. Was it maybe because of overfishing that caused prices to rise and supply to plummet? Or was it simply a change in tastes?
    Herring was reasonably common and cheap even when I was a kid (fried in oatmeal, yum). Its decline was so disastrous there was barely time for prices to rise.
    It’s now a special treat when our fish van has herring on board. I can vaguely remember tatties and herring nights. I haven’t heard of one in the last 50 years.
    Kippers are smoked herring. Plenty available from loads of retailers and online.
  • TimSTimS Posts: 14,903
    boulay said:

    Eabhal said:

    ydoethur said:

    Well done Starmer, fishing is worth feck all, we need to focus on the big issues, I will never forgive Boris Johnson for prioritising fish over financial services when it came to the Brexit deal.

    Starmer close to EU arms deal — at the expense of fishermen

    British firms will be able to bid for the new €150 billion EU defence fund after the UK makes concessions on fishing quotas


    https://www.thetimes.com/uk/politics/article/starmer-close-to-eu-arms-deal-at-the-expense-of-fishermen-fwckp5btr

    Given - ironically - bungled EU policies on fishing* it's not as though our fishing industry is actually worth saving at more than a hobby level anyway.

    *Admittedly it wasn't the only factor but it was a major one.
    The biggest problem with our fishing industry is that Brits don't eat fish (yes, I know fish & chips but thats peripheral and doesn't even really come from British waters) , unlike the French and Spanish. We prefer pizza, burgers, steak and fried chicken etc.

    If we did, then we'd have a much bigger one and far less going to export.
    Fishing stats are always a surprise. We would need to start eating an awful lot more herring and mackerel, and stop eating so much tuna and haddock/cod.

    One thing to bear in mind is that quotas are privately owned. A large proportion of English/Welsh quotas are in foreign hands, and in Scotland tend to be dominated by a few family businesses.
    We started getting a lot of Atlantic Blue fin Tuna in our waters over the last few years and we banned fishing of it and unsurprisingly the nearby French fishers have gone mad for it and fishing them as much as they can.

    It wouldn’t be such a problem to open up UK fishing grounds to EU (the French) if they gave a fuck about protecting stocks and environments. Bit they don’t.
    Question: are channel islands fishing rights under the control of the channel islands, or the UK? Thought hadn’t occurred to me before. Presumably from your post they are a UK responsibility.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 65,486
    Eabhal said:

    ydoethur said:

    Well done Starmer, fishing is worth feck all, we need to focus on the big issues, I will never forgive Boris Johnson for prioritising fish over financial services when it came to the Brexit deal.

    Starmer close to EU arms deal — at the expense of fishermen

    British firms will be able to bid for the new €150 billion EU defence fund after the UK makes concessions on fishing quotas


    https://www.thetimes.com/uk/politics/article/starmer-close-to-eu-arms-deal-at-the-expense-of-fishermen-fwckp5btr

    Given - ironically - bungled EU policies on fishing* it's not as though our fishing industry is actually worth saving at more than a hobby level anyway.

    *Admittedly it wasn't the only factor but it was a major one.
    The biggest problem with our fishing industry is that Brits don't eat fish (yes, I know fish & chips but thats peripheral and doesn't even really come from British waters) , unlike the French and Spanish. We prefer pizza, burgers, steak and fried chicken etc.

    If we did, then we'd have a much bigger one and far less going to export.
    Fishing stats are always a surprise. We would need to start eating an awful lot more herring and mackerel, and stop eating so much tuna and haddock/cod.

    One thing to bear in mind is that quotas are privately owned. A large proportion of English/Welsh quotas are in foreign hands, and in Scotland tend to be dominated by a few family businesses.
    Mackerel has recently been put further up the list of becoming unsustainable due to over fishing iirc.

    Big shame. I love mackerel. I have a mackerel and lentil curry recipe. Fantastic.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 62,250
    Eabhal said:

    ydoethur said:

    Well done Starmer, fishing is worth feck all, we need to focus on the big issues, I will never forgive Boris Johnson for prioritising fish over financial services when it came to the Brexit deal.

    Starmer close to EU arms deal — at the expense of fishermen

    British firms will be able to bid for the new €150 billion EU defence fund after the UK makes concessions on fishing quotas


    https://www.thetimes.com/uk/politics/article/starmer-close-to-eu-arms-deal-at-the-expense-of-fishermen-fwckp5btr

    Given - ironically - bungled EU policies on fishing* it's not as though our fishing industry is actually worth saving at more than a hobby level anyway.

    *Admittedly it wasn't the only factor but it was a major one.
    The biggest problem with our fishing industry is that Brits don't eat fish (yes, I know fish & chips but thats peripheral and doesn't even really come from British waters) , unlike the French and Spanish. We prefer pizza, burgers, steak and fried chicken etc.

    If we did, then we'd have a much bigger one and far less going to export.
    Fishing stats are always a surprise. We would need to start eating an awful lot more herring and mackerel, and stop eating so much tuna and haddock/cod.

    One thing to bear in mind is that quotas are privately owned. A large proportion of English/Welsh quotas are in foreign hands, and in Scotland tend to be dominated by a few family businesses.
    I wonder if some of it is down to it just being badly cooked or prepared, like British vegetables used to be boiled to death.

    I had some awful mackerel and haddock back in the day but prepared properly it is delicious.
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 43,700
    Wild smoked salmon on sourdough and cream cheese with capers slathered in olive oil.

    Should be the PB national dish.

    Smoked mackerel pâté (with cream cheese, lemon) served with melba toast is very nice also.

    Saw Warfare last night. In the cinema. Excellent and a strong recommend.

    Sorry, were we talking about elections and betting odds or something.
  • Northern_AlNorthern_Al Posts: 8,777
    I'd eat much more fish if I had access to a proper fishmonger. There used to be loads of fish shops - a quick google tells me that there are now only 950 independent fishmongers in the UK, compared with several thousand a few decades ago. Most fish is sold in supermarkets, and it's often bland and tasteless, for whatever reason.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 59,334
    eek said:

    Well done Starmer, fishing is worth feck all, we need to focus on the big issues, I will never forgive Boris Johnson for prioritising fish over financial services when it came to the Brexit deal.

    Starmer close to EU arms deal — at the expense of fishermen

    British firms will be able to bid for the new €150 billion EU defence fund after the UK makes concessions on fishing quotas


    Sir Keir Starmer is close to striking a major trade deal with the EU that would allow British arms companies to sell billions of pounds of weapons to European allies.

    British firms will be able to bid for the new €150 billion EU defence fund as part of Starmer’s reset with the bloc after the UK made significant concessions to Brussels on fishing rights.

    The prime minister will host an EU-UK summit on May 19 in London as he seeks to ease trade barriers with Brussels.


    https://www.thetimes.com/uk/politics/article/starmer-close-to-eu-arms-deal-at-the-expense-of-fishermen-fwckp5btr

    Wasn't there a documentary a while ago that revealed that a lot of our fishing industry now had ultimate owners that were not in the UK..
    Well, yes.

    British fishermen sold their quotas to foreigners. Which, if you think about it, is not that different to British farmers selling their fields to gay French hedge fund managers*.

    * Yes, there's a specific one I'm thinking of
  • FishingFishing Posts: 5,497
    Nigelb said:

    ydoethur said:

    ydoethur said:

    Well done Starmer, fishing is worth feck all, we need to focus on the big issues, I will never forgive Boris Johnson for prioritising fish over financial services when it came to the Brexit deal.

    Starmer close to EU arms deal — at the expense of fishermen

    British firms will be able to bid for the new €150 billion EU defence fund after the UK makes concessions on fishing quotas


    https://www.thetimes.com/uk/politics/article/starmer-close-to-eu-arms-deal-at-the-expense-of-fishermen-fwckp5btr

    Given - ironically - bungled EU policies on fishing* it's not as though our fishing industry is actually worth saving at more than a hobby level anyway.

    *Admittedly it wasn't the only factor but it was a major one.
    The biggest problem with our fishing industry is that Brits don't eat fish (yes, I know fish & chips but thats peripheral and doesn't even really come from British waters) , unlike the French and Spanish. We prefer pizza, burgers, steak and fried chicken etc.

    If we did, then we'd have a much bigger one and far less going to export.
    That, to be fair, is also true but there was a time when it wasn't. Certainly until the 1960s fish formed a very important part of ordinary peoples' diets precisely because it was cheap. In the war years, as well, it was important as it wasn't rationed.

    I'm not sure why it changed, or exactly when. Was it maybe because of overfishing that caused prices to rise and supply to plummet? Or was it simply a change in tastes?
    It would be interesting to see how the prices of 'red' meat (pork, beef, chicken etc) has changed in price relative to white meats such as fish since WW2. My *impression* is that red meat has got relatively cheaper due to improved farming methods.

    But the use of offal has also largely disappeared, and processed meats increased massively.
    ONS prices of beef and white fish, 2000 to 2020:

    Beef - 1467 rising to 1889
    Fish - 829 rising to 2059

    That's a massive relative change.
    I remember my 90-year-old aunt telling me years ago that when she was young, "cod was what you gave the cat".

    Which is presumably why there are so few left.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 59,334
    TOPPING said:

    Wild smoked salmon on sourdough and cream cheese with capers slathered in olive oil.

    Should be the PB national dish.

    Smoked mackerel pâté (with cream cheese, lemon) served with melba toast is very nice also.

    Saw Warfare last night. In the cinema. Excellent and a strong recommend.

    Sorry, were we talking about elections and betting odds or something.

    Sourdough, huh?

    There's really no hope for you.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 59,334
    Fishing said:

    Nigelb said:

    ydoethur said:

    ydoethur said:

    Well done Starmer, fishing is worth feck all, we need to focus on the big issues, I will never forgive Boris Johnson for prioritising fish over financial services when it came to the Brexit deal.

    Starmer close to EU arms deal — at the expense of fishermen

    British firms will be able to bid for the new €150 billion EU defence fund after the UK makes concessions on fishing quotas


    https://www.thetimes.com/uk/politics/article/starmer-close-to-eu-arms-deal-at-the-expense-of-fishermen-fwckp5btr

    Given - ironically - bungled EU policies on fishing* it's not as though our fishing industry is actually worth saving at more than a hobby level anyway.

    *Admittedly it wasn't the only factor but it was a major one.
    The biggest problem with our fishing industry is that Brits don't eat fish (yes, I know fish & chips but thats peripheral and doesn't even really come from British waters) , unlike the French and Spanish. We prefer pizza, burgers, steak and fried chicken etc.

    If we did, then we'd have a much bigger one and far less going to export.
    That, to be fair, is also true but there was a time when it wasn't. Certainly until the 1960s fish formed a very important part of ordinary peoples' diets precisely because it was cheap. In the war years, as well, it was important as it wasn't rationed.

    I'm not sure why it changed, or exactly when. Was it maybe because of overfishing that caused prices to rise and supply to plummet? Or was it simply a change in tastes?
    It would be interesting to see how the prices of 'red' meat (pork, beef, chicken etc) has changed in price relative to white meats such as fish since WW2. My *impression* is that red meat has got relatively cheaper due to improved farming methods.

    But the use of offal has also largely disappeared, and processed meats increased massively.
    ONS prices of beef and white fish, 2000 to 2020:

    Beef - 1467 rising to 1889
    Fish - 829 rising to 2059

    That's a massive relative change.
    I remember my 90-year-old aunt telling me years ago that when she was young, "cod was what you gave the cat".

    Which is presumably why there are so few left.
    I think that's mostly because of @Leon killing cats.
  • boulayboulay Posts: 6,147
    TimS said:

    boulay said:

    Eabhal said:

    ydoethur said:

    Well done Starmer, fishing is worth feck all, we need to focus on the big issues, I will never forgive Boris Johnson for prioritising fish over financial services when it came to the Brexit deal.

    Starmer close to EU arms deal — at the expense of fishermen

    British firms will be able to bid for the new €150 billion EU defence fund after the UK makes concessions on fishing quotas


    https://www.thetimes.com/uk/politics/article/starmer-close-to-eu-arms-deal-at-the-expense-of-fishermen-fwckp5btr

    Given - ironically - bungled EU policies on fishing* it's not as though our fishing industry is actually worth saving at more than a hobby level anyway.

    *Admittedly it wasn't the only factor but it was a major one.
    The biggest problem with our fishing industry is that Brits don't eat fish (yes, I know fish & chips but thats peripheral and doesn't even really come from British waters) , unlike the French and Spanish. We prefer pizza, burgers, steak and fried chicken etc.

    If we did, then we'd have a much bigger one and far less going to export.
    Fishing stats are always a surprise. We would need to start eating an awful lot more herring and mackerel, and stop eating so much tuna and haddock/cod.

    One thing to bear in mind is that quotas are privately owned. A large proportion of English/Welsh quotas are in foreign hands, and in Scotland tend to be dominated by a few family businesses.
    We started getting a lot of Atlantic Blue fin Tuna in our waters over the last few years and we banned fishing of it and unsurprisingly the nearby French fishers have gone mad for it and fishing them as much as they can.

    It wouldn’t be such a problem to open up UK fishing grounds to EU (the French) if they gave a fuck about protecting stocks and environments. Bit they don’t.
    Question: are channel islands fishing rights under the control of the channel islands, or the UK? Thought hadn’t occurred to me before. Presumably from your post they are a UK responsibility.
    They are under our control hence that bonkers situation a few years ago where the French gov were threatening to cut off our electricity supplies in an argument about French fishers having licences in our waters and the Navy having to send a ship over to deal with hostile frenchies.

    So they got a load of licences to fish in our waters and then abuse it horribly - they use their CI licences to fish the tuna and land them in France so sneak around our ban and French quotas.
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 43,700
    edited 7:51AM
    rcs1000 said:

    TOPPING said:

    Wild smoked salmon on sourdough and cream cheese with capers slathered in olive oil.

    Should be the PB national dish.

    Smoked mackerel pâté (with cream cheese, lemon) served with melba toast is very nice also.

    Saw Warfare last night. In the cinema. Excellent and a strong recommend.

    Sorry, were we talking about elections and betting odds or something.

    Sourdough, huh?

    There's really no hope for you.
    Toasted, obvs.
  • nico67nico67 Posts: 5,086
    edited 7:53AM
    The British don’t eat enough fish and most of what we eat like cod and haddock is imported .

    Fishing is only worth 0.03 to economic output . And Bozos deal fxcked UK fishing as it stopped a lot of our high end exports to the EU like live langoustine etc .

  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 126,986
    I would say Tagle has a good chance of being first Filipino Pope. After Francis' appointments most Cardinals are now non European so a European Pope is unlikely, which would be the first time successive Popes have not been from Europe.

    Reflects too the fact that while the Roman Catholic church remains reasonably strong in Italy and Poland elsewhere in Europe it is in decline with its growth in the developing world
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 43,303

    ydoethur said:

    ydoethur said:

    Well done Starmer, fishing is worth feck all, we need to focus on the big issues, I will never forgive Boris Johnson for prioritising fish over financial services when it came to the Brexit deal.

    Starmer close to EU arms deal — at the expense of fishermen

    British firms will be able to bid for the new €150 billion EU defence fund after the UK makes concessions on fishing quotas


    https://www.thetimes.com/uk/politics/article/starmer-close-to-eu-arms-deal-at-the-expense-of-fishermen-fwckp5btr

    Given - ironically - bungled EU policies on fishing* it's not as though our fishing industry is actually worth saving at more than a hobby level anyway.

    *Admittedly it wasn't the only factor but it was a major one.
    The biggest problem with our fishing industry is that Brits don't eat fish (yes, I know fish & chips but thats peripheral and doesn't even really come from British waters) , unlike the French and Spanish. We prefer pizza, burgers, steak and fried chicken etc.

    If we did, then we'd have a much bigger one and far less going to export.
    That, to be fair, is also true but there was a time when it wasn't. Certainly until the 1960s fish formed a very important part of ordinary peoples' diets precisely because it was cheap. In the war years, as well, it was important as it wasn't rationed.

    I'm not sure why it changed, or exactly when. Was it maybe because of overfishing that caused prices to rise and supply to plummet? Or was it simply a change in tastes?
    Herring was reasonably common and cheap even when I was a kid (fried in oatmeal, yum). Its decline was so disastrous there was barely time for prices to rise.
    It’s now a special treat when our fish van has herring on board. I can vaguely remember tatties and herring nights. I haven’t heard of one in the last 50 years.
    Kippers are smoked herring. Plenty available from loads of retailers and online.
    Not averse to the occasional kipper though almost all that’s available is pre packed stuff. Lots of processed herring (pickled, in sauce etc) available in the local Polish supermarket also, though I guess lots of it isn’t caught off the UK. I wonder if that’s the reason fresh herring is difficult to find, not practical or cost effective to get it to shops.

    Salt herring a staple in times past and much loved by my Hebridean relatives, now really difficult to find anywhere including the islands.
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 45,336
    It would be good if schools (secondary, mostly) did more to teach kids about healthy food and cooking. Should it be seen as essential a skill as maths?

    But the limited funding and time schools work under must be a problem.

    I'm a fairly good baker, but a barely-competent cook. I just about make meals that keep my family alive. I wish I knew how to cook better, but I am rather set in my ways now.
  • FairlieredFairliered Posts: 5,586

    ydoethur said:

    ydoethur said:

    Well done Starmer, fishing is worth feck all, we need to focus on the big issues, I will never forgive Boris Johnson for prioritising fish over financial services when it came to the Brexit deal.

    Starmer close to EU arms deal — at the expense of fishermen

    British firms will be able to bid for the new €150 billion EU defence fund after the UK makes concessions on fishing quotas


    https://www.thetimes.com/uk/politics/article/starmer-close-to-eu-arms-deal-at-the-expense-of-fishermen-fwckp5btr

    Given - ironically - bungled EU policies on fishing* it's not as though our fishing industry is actually worth saving at more than a hobby level anyway.

    *Admittedly it wasn't the only factor but it was a major one.
    The biggest problem with our fishing industry is that Brits don't eat fish (yes, I know fish & chips but thats peripheral and doesn't even really come from British waters) , unlike the French and Spanish. We prefer pizza, burgers, steak and fried chicken etc.

    If we did, then we'd have a much bigger one and far less going to export.
    That, to be fair, is also true but there was a time when it wasn't. Certainly until the 1960s fish formed a very important part of ordinary peoples' diets precisely because it was cheap. In the war years, as well, it was important as it wasn't rationed.

    I'm not sure why it changed, or exactly when. Was it maybe because of overfishing that caused prices to rise and supply to plummet? Or was it simply a change in tastes?
    Herring was reasonably common and cheap even when I was a kid (fried in oatmeal, yum). Its decline was so disastrous there was barely time for prices to rise.
    It’s now a special treat when our fish van has herring on board. I can vaguely remember tatties and herring nights. I haven’t heard of one in the last 50 years.
    Kippers are smoked herring. Plenty available from loads of retailers and online.
    Not the same as unsmoked, though. Simply pan fried with an oatmeal coating and buttery boiled potatoes. You don’t know what you have til it’s gone. 🙁
  • nico67nico67 Posts: 5,086
    HYUFD said:

    I would say Tagle has a good chance of being first Filipino Pope. After Francis' appointments most Cardinals are now non European so a European Pope is unlikely, which would be the first time successive Popes have not been from Europe.

    Reflects too the fact that while the Roman Catholic church remains reasonably strong in Italy and Poland elsewhere in Europe it is in decline with its growth in the developing world

    Agree I think looking at his bio he’d be quite a natural progression from Pope Francis . As you know I’m not a religious person but I think Francis was what anyone should hope to see from a Pope . I know he ruffled a few feathers but certainly I wouldn’t want to see someone like Burke get the nod who would IMO take Catholicism backwards .
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 54,794
    Starmer risks resurrecting the Lord Alli story:

    https://x.com/keir_starmer/status/1914575998009384974

    As a parent, I know that family life and work can often feel impossible to juggle.

    That's why I promised to make parents lives easier, and put more money in their pockets, with Labour's free breakfast clubs.

    Today, they start rolling out across the country.
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 43,303
    edited 8:00AM

    ydoethur said:

    ydoethur said:

    Well done Starmer, fishing is worth feck all, we need to focus on the big issues, I will never forgive Boris Johnson for prioritising fish over financial services when it came to the Brexit deal.

    Starmer close to EU arms deal — at the expense of fishermen

    British firms will be able to bid for the new €150 billion EU defence fund after the UK makes concessions on fishing quotas


    https://www.thetimes.com/uk/politics/article/starmer-close-to-eu-arms-deal-at-the-expense-of-fishermen-fwckp5btr

    Given - ironically - bungled EU policies on fishing* it's not as though our fishing industry is actually worth saving at more than a hobby level anyway.

    *Admittedly it wasn't the only factor but it was a major one.
    The biggest problem with our fishing industry is that Brits don't eat fish (yes, I know fish & chips but thats peripheral and doesn't even really come from British waters) , unlike the French and Spanish. We prefer pizza, burgers, steak and fried chicken etc.

    If we did, then we'd have a much bigger one and far less going to export.
    That, to be fair, is also true but there was a time when it wasn't. Certainly until the 1960s fish formed a very important part of ordinary peoples' diets precisely because it was cheap. In the war years, as well, it was important as it wasn't rationed.

    I'm not sure why it changed, or exactly when. Was it maybe because of overfishing that caused prices to rise and supply to plummet? Or was it simply a change in tastes?
    Herring was reasonably common and cheap even when I was a kid (fried in oatmeal, yum). Its decline was so disastrous there was barely time for prices to rise.
    It’s now a special treat when our fish van has herring on board. I can vaguely remember tatties and herring nights. I haven’t heard of one in the last 50 years.
    Kippers are smoked herring. Plenty available from loads of retailers and online.
    Not averse to the occasional kipper though almost all that’s available is pre packed stuff. Lots of processed herring (pickled, in sauce etc) available in the local Polish supermarket also, though I guess lots of it isn’t caught off the UK. I wonder if that’s the reason fresh herring is difficult to find, not practical or cost effective to get it to shops.

    Salt herring a staple in times past and much loved by my Hebridean relatives, now really difficult to find anywhere including the islands.
    This is a discussion worthy of @Carnyx. Haven’t seen him around for a while, hope he’s ok.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 51,190
    edited 8:02AM
    rcs1000 said:

    eek said:

    Well done Starmer, fishing is worth feck all, we need to focus on the big issues, I will never forgive Boris Johnson for prioritising fish over financial services when it came to the Brexit deal.

    Starmer close to EU arms deal — at the expense of fishermen

    British firms will be able to bid for the new €150 billion EU defence fund after the UK makes concessions on fishing quotas


    Sir Keir Starmer is close to striking a major trade deal with the EU that would allow British arms companies to sell billions of pounds of weapons to European allies.

    British firms will be able to bid for the new €150 billion EU defence fund as part of Starmer’s reset with the bloc after the UK made significant concessions to Brussels on fishing rights.

    The prime minister will host an EU-UK summit on May 19 in London as he seeks to ease trade barriers with Brussels.


    https://www.thetimes.com/uk/politics/article/starmer-close-to-eu-arms-deal-at-the-expense-of-fishermen-fwckp5btr

    Wasn't there a documentary a while ago that revealed that a lot of our fishing industry now had ultimate owners that were not in the UK..
    Well, yes.

    British fishermen sold their quotas to foreigners. Which, if you think about it, is not that different to British farmers selling their fields to gay French hedge fund managers*.

    * Yes, there's a specific one I'm thinking of
    When you say "gay French hedge fund managers" surely that is a misprint for "tradional British family farmers"?
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 126,986
    rcs1000 said:

    FPT:
    Good morning, everyone.

    F1: my review of Saudi Arabia is up here, including my take on the lap 1 incidents (Gasly-Tsunoda = racing incident, Verstappen entirely tried to gain an unfair advantage and deserved to be penalised) and how the title battle is shaping up. Also, the transcript has a lovely graph.

    Podbean: https://undercutters.podbean.com/e/f1-2025-saudi-arabian-grand-prix-review/

    Apple: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/f1-2025-saudi-arabian-grand-prix-review/id1786574257?i=1000704410551

    Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/episode/1xxxu5PeXCJvkNSieGr70V

    Amazon: https://music.amazon.com/podcasts/bcfe213b-55fb-408a-a823-dc6693ee9f78/episodes/6f22639b-8655-4bcd-9400-c3972b1a4994/undercutters---f1-podcast-f1-2025-saudi-arabian-grand-prix-review

    Transcript: https://morrisf1.blogspot.com/2025/04/f1-2025-saudi-arabian-grand-prix-review.html


    Edited extra bit: On-topic, not sure I'm inclined to bet on this. My leadership bets have tended to be iffy, except that one time I fluked my way to be really green on the Lib Dems (I was online at the moment almost every major announcement of not standing was made, having backed Swinson a day or two before the leadership election was announced).

    I think Swinson might be a good shot in the next Papal market: the Catholics haven't had a woman leader yet, she's personable, and she's looking for a new opportunity.

    She's also made a big thing about persecution of Christians.

    If you get more than - say - 10 billion-to-1, then she might be worth a quid.
    Women can't even be Roman Catholic priests, let alone bishops, cardinals and Popes.

    So while she might have a very outside shot at Canterbury if she quickly got ordained she has zero chance of Rome
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 65,486

    It would be good if schools (secondary, mostly) did more to teach kids about healthy food and cooking. Should it be seen as essential a skill as maths?

    But the limited funding and time schools work under must be a problem.

    I'm a fairly good baker, but a barely-competent cook. I just about make meals that keep my family alive. I wish I knew how to cook better, but I am rather set in my ways now.

    My secondary school found time to teach cooking, but only to the girls. We lads did metalwork.

    It was the 1970s mind.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 30,120

    Bridget Phillipson was crystal clear on R4 just now, women’s facilities are for women only.
    [Link to audio clip]

    https://x.com/roseveniceallan/status/1914576957892608050

    It sounded as if the interviewer had never used a public toilet, at least not in a small cafe or office, as she wrongly thought the minister meant disabled toilets. As for post-op trans women using male urinals, how?

    Funny how disabled toilets, which were always unisex, are now fair game for anyone.
  • glwglw Posts: 10,353
    Nigelb said:

    Taz said:

    Huawei is going to capture a lot of Nvidias market share in China and the rest of the world thanks to Trumps idiocy.

    https://x.com/kobeissiletter/status/1914279658008257001?s=61

    More accurate to say that it will do so much sooner than it otherwise might have done.

    The real worry for western chipmakers in the fairly near term is the increasing market threat from Chinese DRAM manufacturers. EUV machines aren't essential to compete at the high end, so it's more vulnerable.
    China might do the same to that market as they've done to power semiconductors.
    There was an interesting comment about how they source HBM memory for their accelerators. Exporting the HBM chips to China is restricted, but you can sell a board with the chips, so a company creates a really quite simple chip using an old 16nm process with HBM attached, China can buy that and the company importing those boards strips the chips from the board and sells them to the likes of Huawei. That will likely come to an end as China should have locally produced HBM soon.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 51,190
    HYUFD said:

    I would say Tagle has a good chance of being first Filipino Pope. After Francis' appointments most Cardinals are now non European so a European Pope is unlikely, which would be the first time successive Popes have not been from Europe.

    Reflects too the fact that while the Roman Catholic church remains reasonably strong in Italy and Poland elsewhere in Europe it is in decline with its growth in the developing world

    If you want to bet on Tagle, SkyBet are 5/2.
  • glwglw Posts: 10,353
    Scott_xP said:

    Front page of the Wall Street Journal

    Trump already wants to set his own interest rates, how long until the DJIA is replaced by the DTIA which never goes down?
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 31,231

    Starmer risks resurrecting the Lord Alli story:

    https://x.com/keir_starmer/status/1914575998009384974

    As a parent, I know that family life and work can often feel impossible to juggle.

    That's why I promised to make parents lives easier, and put more money in their pockets, with Labour's free breakfast clubs.

    Today, they start rolling out across the country.

    That is a strange interpretation, but each to their own I suppose.

    Anyway, how are Trump's tariffs panning out?
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 126,986

    Well done Starmer, fishing is worth feck all, we need to focus on the big issues, I will never forgive Boris Johnson for prioritising fish over financial services when it came to the Brexit deal.

    Starmer close to EU arms deal — at the expense of fishermen

    British firms will be able to bid for the new €150 billion EU defence fund after the UK makes concessions on fishing quotas


    Sir Keir Starmer is close to striking a major trade deal with the EU that would allow British arms companies to sell billions of pounds of weapons to European allies.

    British firms will be able to bid for the new €150 billion EU defence fund as part of Starmer’s reset with the bloc after the UK made significant concessions to Brussels on fishing rights.

    The prime minister will host an EU-UK summit on May 19 in London as he seeks to ease trade barriers with Brussels.


    https://www.thetimes.com/uk/politics/article/starmer-close-to-eu-arms-deal-at-the-expense-of-fishermen-fwckp5btr

    So that is Falmouth, Grimsby, Lowestoft, Hastings, Scarborough going Reform then
  • LeonLeon Posts: 59,727
    On topic: smoked haddock with poached egg and proper crunchy wholemeal toast - lavished with salty butter - is the breakfast of emperors


    I always have it at posh hotels if it’s available

  • boulayboulay Posts: 6,147
    Leon said:

    On topic: smoked haddock with poached egg and proper crunchy wholemeal toast - lavished with salty butter - is the breakfast of emperors


    I always have it at posh hotels if it’s available

    Great breakfast. My summer lunch alternative with Smoked Haddock is SH with new potatoes crushed with salty butter and pepper, beetroot and horseradish. Perfect flavour mix.
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 43,303
    HYUFD said:

    Well done Starmer, fishing is worth feck all, we need to focus on the big issues, I will never forgive Boris Johnson for prioritising fish over financial services when it came to the Brexit deal.

    Starmer close to EU arms deal — at the expense of fishermen

    British firms will be able to bid for the new €150 billion EU defence fund after the UK makes concessions on fishing quotas


    Sir Keir Starmer is close to striking a major trade deal with the EU that would allow British arms companies to sell billions of pounds of weapons to European allies.

    British firms will be able to bid for the new €150 billion EU defence fund as part of Starmer’s reset with the bloc after the UK made significant concessions to Brussels on fishing rights.

    The prime minister will host an EU-UK summit on May 19 in London as he seeks to ease trade barriers with Brussels.


    https://www.thetimes.com/uk/politics/article/starmer-close-to-eu-arms-deal-at-the-expense-of-fishermen-fwckp5btr

    So that is Falmouth, Grimsby, Lowestoft, Hastings, Scarborough going Reform then
    No Peterhead or Fraserburgh (or Peterburgh & Fraserhead as Scotch fishing expert Gove called them)?
  • eekeek Posts: 29,712
    HYUFD said:

    Well done Starmer, fishing is worth feck all, we need to focus on the big issues, I will never forgive Boris Johnson for prioritising fish over financial services when it came to the Brexit deal.

    Starmer close to EU arms deal — at the expense of fishermen

    British firms will be able to bid for the new €150 billion EU defence fund after the UK makes concessions on fishing quotas


    Sir Keir Starmer is close to striking a major trade deal with the EU that would allow British arms companies to sell billions of pounds of weapons to European allies.

    British firms will be able to bid for the new €150 billion EU defence fund as part of Starmer’s reset with the bloc after the UK made significant concessions to Brussels on fishing rights.

    The prime minister will host an EU-UK summit on May 19 in London as he seeks to ease trade barriers with Brussels.


    https://www.thetimes.com/uk/politics/article/starmer-close-to-eu-arms-deal-at-the-expense-of-fishermen-fwckp5btr

    So that is Falmouth, Grimsby, Lowestoft, Hastings, Scarborough going Reform then
    Which part of foreigners already own the fishing rights don’t employ that many English workers did you not grasp from the earlier comments
  • LeonLeon Posts: 59,727
    boulay said:

    Leon said:

    On topic: smoked haddock with poached egg and proper crunchy wholemeal toast - lavished with salty butter - is the breakfast of emperors


    I always have it at posh hotels if it’s available

    Great breakfast. My summer lunch alternative with Smoked Haddock is SH with new potatoes crushed with salty butter and pepper, beetroot and horseradish. Perfect flavour mix.
    Mmm. Sounds good. Smoked haddock is lush

    When you have that breakfast and you break the yolk and the golden goodness mixes with the fishy umami and you mop it up with salty crunchy toast. Then a gulp of strong tea?

    Omg

    Sets you up for the whole day but in a brilliant healthy way that a full English does not. A full English weighs you down and you need a nap
  • OmniumOmnium Posts: 11,467
    Leon said:

    boulay said:

    Leon said:

    On topic: smoked haddock with poached egg and proper crunchy wholemeal toast - lavished with salty butter - is the breakfast of emperors


    I always have it at posh hotels if it’s available

    Great breakfast. My summer lunch alternative with Smoked Haddock is SH with new potatoes crushed with salty butter and pepper, beetroot and horseradish. Perfect flavour mix.
    Mmm. Sounds good. Smoked haddock is lush

    When you have that breakfast and you break the yolk and the golden goodness mixes with the fishy umami and you mop it up with salty crunchy toast. Then a gulp of strong tea?

    Omg

    Sets you up for the whole day but in a brilliant healthy way that a full English does not. A full English weighs you down and you need a nap
    A good Kedgeree is to my mind even better.
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