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edited April 19 in General
I visited IllicitEncounters.com so you don’t have to – politicalbetting.com

Robert Jenrick has been voted Britain’s sexiest male politician, according to the annual poll by a dating site for married people seeking affairs. IllicitEncounters.com conducted a major survey of 2,000 women, who were asked to rate 50 of the most famous and culturally relevant men across public life on a scale of 1 to 10, based on sex appeal.

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  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 43,273
    edited April 19
    Ffs

    Or Fffs (First for fucks sake)
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 73,399
    edited April 19
    Jonathan Ross at 5?

    More rigged than the average election run by Donald Trump.
  • boulayboulay Posts: 6,131
    Blind people’s opinions are as valid as the sighted so don’t mock this poll.
  • RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 29,837
    Wowsers. A comedy list from top to bottom.

    No further TRUSS news overnight?
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 55,138
    So, where is @DavidL?

    Distinctly dodgy.
  • RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 29,837
    They missed off Professor Brian Cox. Booooooo.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 55,138
    boulay said:

    Baldy Ben being interviewed on Today being vaguely sensible but the thing that irked me was the presenter mentioning that we have apparently committed to bulking up our arctic military capability.

    Why are we doing that? Surely it makes more sense for Finland, Norway and Sweden to focus on that. What can we meaningfully add as we don’t have the size or funding to have sufficient military kit or resources. Whilst it’s lovely that the Royal Marines do a lot of arctic warfare training etc ultimately if Europe clashes with Russia in the arctic it will need raw numbers and resources.

    It highlights the constant issue where Britain seems to think it needs to do everything militarily and so we end up thinly spread.

    We need to decide if we are going to do the naval lifting for Europe with specialist army provision and air defence over North Atlantic or just another land military because we can’t do it all. Every European nation needs to work out what they can best offer to the continent based on geography, money, specialisms, not just lots of small and inefficient broad spectrum forces.

    Might be important training for the US/Canada war?
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 51,169

    I hope you all appreciate the sacrifice I made for you all by spending time on IllicitEncounters.com trying to find this poll.

    The targeted adverts I've been getting since visiting that site have been 'interesting' and I am contemplating setting fire to my MacBook.

    It is indeed a remarkable devotion to duty.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 73,399

    I hope you all appreciate the sacrifice I made for you all by spending time on IllicitEncounters.com trying to find this poll.

    The targeted adverts I've been getting since visiting that site have been 'interesting' and I am contemplating setting fire to my MacBook.

    Would that make it a roast Apple?
  • RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 29,837

    I hope you all appreciate the sacrifice I made for you all by spending time on IllicitEncounters.com trying to find this poll.

    The targeted adverts I've been getting since visiting that site have been 'interesting' and I am contemplating setting fire to my MacBook.

    Just wait until the models are clutching an iPad to their boobs
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 51,169

    I hope you all appreciate the sacrifice I made for you all by spending time on IllicitEncounters.com trying to find this poll.

    The targeted adverts I've been getting since visiting that site have been 'interesting' and I am contemplating setting fire to my MacBook.

    As a matter of interest, what were the top 10 women in the list?

    And were men allowed to vote on which men they found sexy?
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 30,110
    Looking at those names, there are some oldies with post-middle age spread, and not conventionally handsome. Strange as it may seem, Jenrick is in some ways the most predictable by conventional metrics. Mostly it is wealth + GSOH, and the wealth part might not be relevant as there were only 50 men to choose from and almost everyone who is famous is well off.

    Leon has in the past written about preferences revealed by dating apps. Are these consistent?
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 51,169
    ydoethur said:

    I hope you all appreciate the sacrifice I made for you all by spending time on IllicitEncounters.com trying to find this poll.

    The targeted adverts I've been getting since visiting that site have been 'interesting' and I am contemplating setting fire to my MacBook.

    Would that make it a roast Apple?
    It could see an Apple crumble.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 121,598

    Wowsers. A comedy list from top to bottom.

    No further TRUSS news overnight?

    She's not defecting, according to The Times she is advising Nigel Farage on how to deal with the blob when he becomes PM.

    As an aside, if Rupert Lowe succeeds in winning his libel action against Farage, Anderson, et al and they end up in the poorhouse, it is worth remembering bankrupts cannot become or remain MPs.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 54,485
    Doesn't this polling just confirm that (inexplicably) women are attracted to complete and utter...bastards?
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 43,273
    edited April 19
    Foxy said:

    I hope you all appreciate the sacrifice I made for you all by spending time on IllicitEncounters.com trying to find this poll.

    The targeted adverts I've been getting since visiting that site have been 'interesting' and I am contemplating setting fire to my MacBook.

    As a matter of interest, what were the top 10 women in the list?

    And were men allowed to vote on which men they found sexy?
    On the latter point I think they were. For example Miers Porgan and Jobert (Jobby for short) Renrick. voted several hundred times.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 73,399

    Wowsers. A comedy list from top to bottom.

    No further TRUSS news overnight?

    She's not defecting,
    That's a terrible tragedy for the Conservatives. Badenoch must be weeping into her cornflakes.

    according to The Times she is advising Nigel Farage on how to deal with the blob when he becomes PM.

    As an aside, if Rupert Lowe succeeds in winning his libel action against Farage, Anderson, et al and they end up in the poorhouse, it is worth remembering bankrupts cannot become or remain MPs.

    Although to be fair they may be tears of laughter...
  • RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 29,837

    Wowsers. A comedy list from top to bottom.

    No further TRUSS news overnight?

    She's not defecting, according to The Times she is advising Nigel Farage on how to deal with the blob when he becomes PM.

    As an aside, if Rupert Lowe succeeds in winning his libel action against Farage, Anderson, et al and they end up in the poorhouse, it is worth remembering bankrupts cannot become or remain MPs.
    They're never defecting until they defect.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 121,598
    Foxy said:

    I hope you all appreciate the sacrifice I made for you all by spending time on IllicitEncounters.com trying to find this poll.

    The targeted adverts I've been getting since visiting that site have been 'interesting' and I am contemplating setting fire to my MacBook.

    As a matter of interest, what were the top 10 women in the list?

    And were men allowed to vote on which men they found sexy?
    I couldn't find the top 10 women list, and I cannot find any methodology note so it is possible men were allowed to vote in this poll.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 55,138
    Foxy said:

    ydoethur said:

    I hope you all appreciate the sacrifice I made for you all by spending time on IllicitEncounters.com trying to find this poll.

    The targeted adverts I've been getting since visiting that site have been 'interesting' and I am contemplating setting fire to my MacBook.

    Would that make it a roast Apple?
    It could see an Apple crumble.
    Or possibly an apple tart. Or is that the owner?
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 62,202
    This is the most upsetting thing I've read all year.
  • AnneJGPAnneJGP Posts: 3,403
    That top ten - good grief.

    Good morning, everybody.
  • RogerRoger Posts: 20,416
    Sounds about right for Express readers.
  • RogerRoger Posts: 20,416

    Donald Trump had a colonoscopy.

    .............and they found Keir Starmer*

    *From a poor HIGNFY
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 55,138
    Roger said:

    Sounds about right for Express readers.

    They are of a certain age. I was wondering where all the love island, popstars and influencers were but felt inhibited by my inability to name any of them.
  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 18,325

    Looking at those names, there are some oldies with post-middle age spread, and not conventionally handsome. Strange as it may seem, Jenrick is in some ways the most predictable by conventional metrics. Mostly it is wealth + GSOH, and the wealth part might not be relevant as there were only 50 men to choose from and almost everyone who is famous is well off.

    Leon has in the past written about preferences revealed by dating apps. Are these consistent?

    Is the long list available anywhere? It would be interesting to know who is less fanciable than le Jenrick.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 54,151

    rcs1000 said:

    Sean_F said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    CatMan said:

    "Americans are now split on whether Russia is an ‘enemy,’ poll finds"

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2025/04/17/russia-ukraine-trump-poll-enemy/

    "The share of Americans who consider Russia an “enemy” has fallen to its lowest point since it began its full-scale invasion of Ukraine in 2022, according to a poll published Thursday by Pew Research Center. The shift owes largely to evolving views among Republicans amid stark changes in U.S. policy and diplomacy toward Russia and Ukraine under President Donald Trump.

    The survey found the share of Americans who said Russia was an “enemy” had fallen to 50 percent, from 61 percent in April 2024 and 70 percent in March 2022, just after the invasion began.

    The softening in attitudes toward Russia was far sharper among Republican voters, with 40 percent saying Russia was an enemy, down from 58 percent last year and 69 percent in March 2022. Thirty-four percent of Americans overall now describe Russia as a competitor of the United States, while just 9 percent said it was a partner.
    "

    When the USA gets attacked again - and they will (*) - there will not be a coalition of the willing to help them. And this time, more people will just shrug their shoulders and say; "You see, that's what it feels like!"

    (*) They will get attacked, because MAGA still see the USA as the most important world power. As Russia sees itself. And as China sees itself. That will lead to conflicts between them, probably proxy, but maybe worse. Also, to be the most important power, you need to throw your weight around - witness all Trump's Gaza nonsense. And that creates enemies who will want to fight you asymmetrically - as happened on 9/11 and before.
    Russia does not see itself as “the most important world power”. They’re not delusional to that extent

    They know America and China are much stronger and likely always will be

    But they want to be seen as top of the next tier. A truly great power albeit not a superpower. It’s the potential demotion to the third tier - “economy the size of Spain” and all that - that really exercises them
    What Putin wants is the resurrection of the old "spheres of influence" polity. Xi would probably be happy with that, as would the America First zealots.

    The "End of History" as posited by Fukuyama would be well and truly up-ended. As would Western liberal democracy.
    Yes that’s a sharp analysis
    We'd be quite fucked. Our prosperity depends on free and open global trade.

    The reason we've done well the last century is that at first we policed it and then the Americans took over.

    If no-one does then, well, we're in trouble.
    We haven't done well in the last century.
    Don't be silly.
    It would be interesting to get his account of this -


    You do get a notable jump in GDP per capita, after the Black Death, but then, nothing much until towards the end of the 17th century.
    It would be better if it was log scale.


    There you go…
    That's great. You can see how the Industrial Revolution let rip but the Revolutionary and Napoleonic Wars stalled it, and the unpleasant impact of the First and Second World Wars.
    The problem with the log plot is that it hides (a bit) just how extraordinary the post 1945 boom was.

    When Super Mac said they’d never had it so good, people didn’t jeer. It was true.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 73,399
    DavidL said:

    Foxy said:

    ydoethur said:

    I hope you all appreciate the sacrifice I made for you all by spending time on IllicitEncounters.com trying to find this poll.

    The targeted adverts I've been getting since visiting that site have been 'interesting' and I am contemplating setting fire to my MacBook.

    Would that make it a roast Apple?
    It could see an Apple crumble.
    Or possibly an apple tart. Or is that the owner?
    No tarts in that list.

    And Jenrick is less a rent boy than a rentagob.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 55,138
    Roger said:


    Donald Trump had a colonoscopy.

    .............and they found Keir Starmer*

    *From a poor HIGNFY

    Is there any other kind these days? So far past its sell by date its growing mould.
  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 18,325

    Wowsers. A comedy list from top to bottom.

    No further TRUSS news overnight?

    She's not defecting, according to The Times she is advising Nigel Farage on how to deal with the blob when he becomes PM.

    As an aside, if Rupert Lowe succeeds in winning his libel action against Farage, Anderson, et al and they end up in the poorhouse, it is worth remembering bankrupts cannot become or remain MPs.
    That still seems fairly eccentric. Unless the advice is "See what I did? Do the exact opposite."
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 73,399

    Wowsers. A comedy list from top to bottom.

    No further TRUSS news overnight?

    She's not defecting, according to The Times she is advising Nigel Farage on how to deal with the blob when he becomes PM.

    As an aside, if Rupert Lowe succeeds in winning his libel action against Farage, Anderson, et al and they end up in the poorhouse, it is worth remembering bankrupts cannot become or remain MPs.
    That still seems fairly eccentric. Unless the advice is "See what I did? Do the exact opposite."
    Dealing with the blob, in her case, starts with a good course of psychiatry.
  • pm215pm215 Posts: 1,234
    boulay said:

    Baldy Ben being interviewed on Today being vaguely sensible but the thing that irked me was the presenter mentioning that we have apparently committed to bulking up our arctic military capability.

    Why are we doing that?

    Perhaps we think this is the start of a new cold war?
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 121,598
    Damnit, I had a perfect excuse to use that Farage photo in the header.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 76,569
    boulay said:

    Blind people’s opinions are as valid as the sighted so don’t mock this poll.

    Deaf and blind.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 76,569

    This is the most upsetting thing I've read all year.

    I don't know, Casino. It suggests you might be in with a chance.
  • RogerRoger Posts: 20,416

    I hope you all appreciate the sacrifice I made for you all by spending time on IllicitEncounters.com trying to find this poll.

    The targeted adverts I've been getting since visiting that site have been 'interesting' and I am contemplating setting fire to my MacBook.

    Imagine what it must be like for Jenrick
  • EabhalEabhal Posts: 10,105
    boulay said:

    Baldy Ben being interviewed on Today being vaguely sensible but the thing that irked me was the presenter mentioning that we have apparently committed to bulking up our arctic military capability.

    Why are we doing that? Surely it makes more sense for Finland, Norway and Sweden to focus on that. What can we meaningfully add as we don’t have the size or funding to have sufficient military kit or resources. Whilst it’s lovely that the Royal Marines do a lot of arctic warfare training etc ultimately if Europe clashes with Russia in the arctic it will need raw numbers and resources.

    It highlights the constant issue where Britain seems to think it needs to do everything militarily and so we end up thinly spread.

    We need to decide if we are going to do the naval lifting for Europe with specialist army provision and air defence over North Atlantic or just another land military because we can’t do it all. Every European nation needs to work out what they can best offer to the continent based on geography, money, specialisms, not just lots of small and inefficient broad spectrum forces.

    Not sure about this. Norway does a great deal for the UK in terms of the GIUK gap; Finland has an enormous well-trained reserve and massive artillery that protects a very large chunk of NATO's border with Russia. Sweden has turned on defence spending. FWIW, the Finnish reservists I've spent time with were only matched by Cypriot Greeks for delirious aggression.

    I think the UK probably gets the most value out of supporting them as anything else, even if it's simply a quid pro quo. Otoh, with various current threats to international trade, the Royal Navy's carriers don't look quite as silly as they did before.
  • geoffwgeoffw Posts: 9,009
    Nigelb said:

    boulay said:

    Blind people’s opinions are as valid as the sighted so don’t mock this poll.

    Deaf and blind.
    Pinball wizards

  • LeonLeon Posts: 59,686
    I’m sitting in the frigid spring cold of Almaty Sayran bus station in a ludicrous Kazakh cotton beanie with an edelweiss motif, waiting for a coach to take me across the Chu-lii steppes and through Otar gulag country then over the border at Ak-Jol then down into the Chu valley between the Ala-Tu foothills and Chon-Kemin gorge and onwards to Bishkek

    It doesn’t get better than that. I know none of these names
  • geoffwgeoffw Posts: 9,009
    Leon said:

    I’m sitting in the frigid spring cold of Almaty Sayran bus station in a ludicrous Kazakh cotton beanie with an edelweiss motif, waiting for a coach to take me across the Chu-lii steppes and through Otar gulag country then over the border at Ak-Jol then down into the Chu valley between the Ala-Tu foothills and Chon-Kemin gorge and onwards to Bishkek

    It doesn’t get better than that. I know none of these names

    So which do you tell the driver when you step on board?
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 54,151
    edited April 19
    a
    Eabhal said:

    boulay said:

    Baldy Ben being interviewed on Today being vaguely sensible but the thing that irked me was the presenter mentioning that we have apparently committed to bulking up our arctic military capability.

    Why are we doing that? Surely it makes more sense for Finland, Norway and Sweden to focus on that. What can we meaningfully add as we don’t have the size or funding to have sufficient military kit or resources. Whilst it’s lovely that the Royal Marines do a lot of arctic warfare training etc ultimately if Europe clashes with Russia in the arctic it will need raw numbers and resources.

    It highlights the constant issue where Britain seems to think it needs to do everything militarily and so we end up thinly spread.

    We need to decide if we are going to do the naval lifting for Europe with specialist army provision and air defence over North Atlantic or just another land military because we can’t do it all. Every European nation needs to work out what they can best offer to the continent based on geography, money, specialisms, not just lots of small and inefficient broad spectrum forces.

    Not sure about this. Norway does a great deal for the UK in terms of the GIUK gap; Finland has an enormous well-trained reserve and massive artillery that protects a very large chunk of NATO's border with Russia. Sweden has turned on defence spending. FWIW, the Finnish reservists I've spent time with were only matched by Cypriot Greeks for delirious aggression.

    I think the UK probably gets the most value out of supporting them as anything else, even if it's simply a quid pro quo. Otoh, with various current threats to international trade, the Royal Navy's carriers don't look quite as silly as they did before.
    Artic warfare training is not especially expensive vs exotic weapons systems.

    It’s also one of those things that you have to actually practise, to do. It means that the units so trained can handle everything from normal temperatures down. And that the kit required is known and tested.

    “Artic” isn’t just snow - it includes dealing with a range of cold conditions. The horror stories about boots and the Falklands come to mind.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 59,686
    geoffw said:

    Leon said:

    I’m sitting in the frigid spring cold of Almaty Sayran bus station in a ludicrous Kazakh cotton beanie with an edelweiss motif, waiting for a coach to take me across the Chu-lii steppes and through Otar gulag country then over the border at Ak-Jol then down into the Chu valley between the Ala-Tu foothills and Chon-Kemin gorge and onwards to Bishkek

    It doesn’t get better than that. I know none of these names

    So which do you tell the driver when you step on board?
    Bishkek, Rekhmet!
  • LeonLeon Posts: 59,686
    There’s a good argument that Central Asia is the most exotic place on earth
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 51,169
    Eabhal said:

    boulay said:

    Baldy Ben being interviewed on Today being vaguely sensible but the thing that irked me was the presenter mentioning that we have apparently committed to bulking up our arctic military capability.

    Why are we doing that? Surely it makes more sense for Finland, Norway and Sweden to focus on that. What can we meaningfully add as we don’t have the size or funding to have sufficient military kit or resources. Whilst it’s lovely that the Royal Marines do a lot of arctic warfare training etc ultimately if Europe clashes with Russia in the arctic it will need raw numbers and resources.

    It highlights the constant issue where Britain seems to think it needs to do everything militarily and so we end up thinly spread.

    We need to decide if we are going to do the naval lifting for Europe with specialist army provision and air defence over North Atlantic or just another land military because we can’t do it all. Every European nation needs to work out what they can best offer to the continent based on geography, money, specialisms, not just lots of small and inefficient broad spectrum forces.

    Not sure about this. Norway does a great deal for the UK in terms of the GIUK gap; Finland has an enormous well-trained reserve and massive artillery that protects a very large chunk of NATO's border with Russia. Sweden has turned on defence spending. FWIW, the Finnish reservists I've spent time with were only matched by Cypriot Greeks for delirious aggression.

    I think the UK probably gets the most value out of supporting them as anything else, even if it's simply a quid pro quo. Otoh, with various current threats to international trade, the Royal Navy's carriers don't look quite as silly as they did before.
    On Tuesday virtually all our effective Navy sets sail to the Far East.

    https://www.navylookout.com/hms-prince-of-wales-to-leave-portsmouth-on-22nd-april-to-lead-carrier-strike-group-deployment/#:~:text=Current News-,HMS Prince of Wales to leave Portsmouth on 22nd April,the departure of the flagship.

    What could possibly go wrong with sending HMS Prince of Wales to the South China Sea at a time of major geopolitical instability?
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 45,319
    Anyway, derailing the thread: on my morning walk, I came across something on the pavement that I cannot, in all my 52 years, recall seeing before.



    It was a snail with two shells, the other on top, and fused to, the bottom one. And before anyone says, I am pretty sure that it was not two snails copulating. The top shell was badly damaged on one side, but rather than being broken it seems to have grown deformed (or damage repaired). The patterning on the top shell matched, and aligned with, the bottom shell. There is a possibility that the damage is the remains of a third shell.

    Aside from this, it seemed to look like, and sized as, a common garden snail. A quick Google doesn't seem to produce any reasons for this. Does anyone have any ideas?
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 30,110

    a

    Eabhal said:

    boulay said:

    Baldy Ben being interviewed on Today being vaguely sensible but the thing that irked me was the presenter mentioning that we have apparently committed to bulking up our arctic military capability.

    Why are we doing that? Surely it makes more sense for Finland, Norway and Sweden to focus on that. What can we meaningfully add as we don’t have the size or funding to have sufficient military kit or resources. Whilst it’s lovely that the Royal Marines do a lot of arctic warfare training etc ultimately if Europe clashes with Russia in the arctic it will need raw numbers and resources.

    It highlights the constant issue where Britain seems to think it needs to do everything militarily and so we end up thinly spread.

    We need to decide if we are going to do the naval lifting for Europe with specialist army provision and air defence over North Atlantic or just another land military because we can’t do it all. Every European nation needs to work out what they can best offer to the continent based on geography, money, specialisms, not just lots of small and inefficient broad spectrum forces.

    Not sure about this. Norway does a great deal for the UK in terms of the GIUK gap; Finland has an enormous well-trained reserve and massive artillery that protects a very large chunk of NATO's border with Russia. Sweden has turned on defence spending. FWIW, the Finnish reservists I've spent time with were only matched by Cypriot Greeks for delirious aggression.

    I think the UK probably gets the most value out of supporting them as anything else, even if it's simply a quid pro quo. Otoh, with various current threats to international trade, the Royal Navy's carriers don't look quite as silly as they did before.
    Artic warfare training is not especially expensive vs exotic weapons systems.

    It’s also one of those things that you have to actually practise, to do. It means that the units so trained can handle everything from normal temperatures down. And that the kit required is known and tested.

    “Artic” isn’t just snow - it includes dealing with a range of cold conditions. The horror stories about boots and the Falklands come to mind.
    And rifles jamming in deserts, or throwing spent cartridges into the faces of left-handers, and RAF low-level flights into sand dunes.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 59,686
    Like, there are loads of buses here going to China

    China!!!

    Westerners are so used to getting to China by air into Beijing Shanghai Hongkong. At most a train out of Laos or a short hop from Thailand to Yunnan

    Here you get on a bus and it goes to Urumqi or Liniang. Never even heard of Liniang
  • boulayboulay Posts: 6,131
    Leon said:

    I’m sitting in the frigid spring cold of Almaty Sayran bus station in a ludicrous Kazakh cotton beanie with an edelweiss motif, waiting for a coach to take me across the Chu-lii steppes and through Otar gulag country then over the border at Ak-Jol then down into the Chu valley between the Ala-Tu foothills and Chon-Kemin gorge and onwards to Bishkek

    It doesn’t get better than that. I know none of these names

    Morning, I’ve sent you a PM about Georgia if you have time and happy to answer. Thanks in advance.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 76,569
    On topic, the group which own the Express appears to be the most prolific user of this source.
    Sounds like another case for intrepid investigation by TSE.

    https://www.theguardian.com/media/2025/apr/19/questions-raised-over-barbara-santini-expert-much-quoted-in-uk-press
    Over the past couple of years, the Oxford-educated psychologist Barbara Santini has been widely quoted as an expert. She has contributed thoughts on everything from the psychological impact of the Covid pandemic to the importance of vitamin D and how playing darts can improve your health.

    However, her pronouncements have begun to disappear from articles after concerns that Santini may not be all that she appears. Major news outlets have removed entire articles featuring Santini, or comments made by her, after a series of questions were raised over her qualifications – and even whether her entire identity could be an elaborate hoax..

    ..On closer inspection, her main online presence is as a sex and relationships adviser at an online sex toy outlet, Peaches and Screams. Some of the articles featuring her include a link to the store. Her qualifications are described there as “psychologist and sex adviser – University of Oxford”. However, the British Psychological Society (BPS) said she was not one of its members. She does not appear to have social media profiles, though she has two followers on the blogging site Medium...
  • OnlyLivingBoyOnlyLivingBoy Posts: 16,395
    Leon said:

    There’s a good argument that Central Asia is the most exotic place on earth

    Exotic to whom? Presumably to them it all feels rather ordinary.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 54,151

    a

    Eabhal said:

    boulay said:

    Baldy Ben being interviewed on Today being vaguely sensible but the thing that irked me was the presenter mentioning that we have apparently committed to bulking up our arctic military capability.

    Why are we doing that? Surely it makes more sense for Finland, Norway and Sweden to focus on that. What can we meaningfully add as we don’t have the size or funding to have sufficient military kit or resources. Whilst it’s lovely that the Royal Marines do a lot of arctic warfare training etc ultimately if Europe clashes with Russia in the arctic it will need raw numbers and resources.

    It highlights the constant issue where Britain seems to think it needs to do everything militarily and so we end up thinly spread.

    We need to decide if we are going to do the naval lifting for Europe with specialist army provision and air defence over North Atlantic or just another land military because we can’t do it all. Every European nation needs to work out what they can best offer to the continent based on geography, money, specialisms, not just lots of small and inefficient broad spectrum forces.

    Not sure about this. Norway does a great deal for the UK in terms of the GIUK gap; Finland has an enormous well-trained reserve and massive artillery that protects a very large chunk of NATO's border with Russia. Sweden has turned on defence spending. FWIW, the Finnish reservists I've spent time with were only matched by Cypriot Greeks for delirious aggression.

    I think the UK probably gets the most value out of supporting them as anything else, even if it's simply a quid pro quo. Otoh, with various current threats to international trade, the Royal Navy's carriers don't look quite as silly as they did before.
    Artic warfare training is not especially expensive vs exotic weapons systems.

    It’s also one of those things that you have to actually practise, to do. It means that the units so trained can handle everything from normal temperatures down. And that the kit required is known and tested.

    “Artic” isn’t just snow - it includes dealing with a range of cold conditions. The horror stories about boots and the Falklands come to mind.
    And rifles jamming in deserts, or throwing spent cartridges into the faces of left-handers, and RAF low-level flights into sand dunes.
    The rifles were eventually fixed by the expedient of BAe buying the best small arms manufacturer in the world (H&K). Which then fixed the rifles. Selling the company, later was insane, of course.
  • TazTaz Posts: 17,548
    Roger said:


    Donald Trump had a colonoscopy.

    .............and they found Keir Starmer*

    *From a poor HIGNFY

    It’s been poor for a very long time

    Have I got establishment views for you.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 44,734
    I can't say I get too excited looking at Piers Morgan. Surprised others do.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 76,569
    Leon said:

    Like, there are loads of buses here going to China

    China!!!

    Westerners are so used to getting to China by air into Beijing Shanghai Hongkong. At most a train out of Laos or a short hop from Thailand to Yunnan

    Here you get on a bus and it goes to Urumqi or Liniang. Never even heard of Liniang

    Google doesn't help either.
    Lijiang, though, looks well worth visiting:
    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lijiang
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 43,273

    Anyway, derailing the thread: on my morning walk, I came across something on the pavement that I cannot, in all my 52 years, recall seeing before.



    It was a snail with two shells, the other on top, and fused to, the bottom one. And before anyone says, I am pretty sure that it was not two snails copulating. The top shell was badly damaged on one side, but rather than being broken it seems to have grown deformed (or damage repaired). The patterning on the top shell matched, and aligned with, the bottom shell. There is a possibility that the damage is the remains of a third shell.

    Aside from this, it seemed to look like, and sized as, a common garden snail. A quick Google doesn't seem to produce any reasons for this. Does anyone have any ideas?

    I read that snails don't grow new shells as I thought but rather add to the existing one. Perhaps the process went a little haywire?
    A first for me this am, two squirrels (grey natürlich) copulating in the garden. Not sure how I feel about that.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 30,110
    Nigelb said:

    On topic, the group which own the Express appears to be the most prolific user of this source.
    Sounds like another case for intrepid investigation by TSE.

    https://www.theguardian.com/media/2025/apr/19/questions-raised-over-barbara-santini-expert-much-quoted-in-uk-press
    Over the past couple of years, the Oxford-educated psychologist Barbara Santini has been widely quoted as an expert. She has contributed thoughts on everything from the psychological impact of the Covid pandemic to the importance of vitamin D and how playing darts can improve your health.

    However, her pronouncements have begun to disappear from articles after concerns that Santini may not be all that she appears. Major news outlets have removed entire articles featuring Santini, or comments made by her, after a series of questions were raised over her qualifications – and even whether her entire identity could be an elaborate hoax..

    ..On closer inspection, her main online presence is as a sex and relationships adviser at an online sex toy outlet, Peaches and Screams. Some of the articles featuring her include a link to the store. Her qualifications are described there as “psychologist and sex adviser – University of Oxford”. However, the British Psychological Society (BPS) said she was not one of its members. She does not appear to have social media profiles, though she has two followers on the blogging site Medium...

    Psychologist is not a protected term any more than historian is, or sex adviser, and membership of the British Psychological Society is not required.
  • RogerRoger Posts: 20,416
    Taz said:

    Roger said:


    Donald Trump had a colonoscopy.

    .............and they found Keir Starmer*

    *From a poor HIGNFY

    It’s been poor for a very long time

    Have I got establishment views for you.
    Depends a lot who the compere is.
  • boulayboulay Posts: 6,131
    Cyclefree said:

    For @Foxy (fpt)

    I doubt if there is any sport where men's physiology does not give them an advantage.

    And if there is such a sport then there is no need to have women's and men's categories at all. Just one competition where all participate. So the question of excluding groups would not arise.

    But - forgive the cynicism - what we have instead is second or third rate sportsmen who can't win in the male category declare themselves women and proceed to cheat women out of places, prizes, opportunities and money/sponsorship opportunities.

    Equestrianism is not split by men’s events and women’s events as neither are stronger than the horse so won’t make any difference - it’s all down to skill and training.

    And anyone who thinks something like eventing or jumping isn’t a sport has clearly done neither.
  • RogerRoger Posts: 20,416

    Anyway, derailing the thread: on my morning walk, I came across something on the pavement that I cannot, in all my 52 years, recall seeing before.



    It was a snail with two shells, the other on top, and fused to, the bottom one. And before anyone says, I am pretty sure that it was not two snails copulating. The top shell was badly damaged on one side, but rather than being broken it seems to have grown deformed (or damage repaired). The patterning on the top shell matched, and aligned with, the bottom shell. There is a possibility that the damage is the remains of a third shell.

    Aside from this, it seemed to look like, and sized as, a common garden snail. A quick Google doesn't seem to produce any reasons for this. Does anyone have any ideas?

    I read that snails don't grow new shells as I thought but rather add to the existing one. Perhaps the process went a little haywire?
    A first for me this am, two squirrels (grey natürlich) copulating in the garden. Not sure how I feel about that.
    Fantastic animals. All with their own distinct personality. If you don't already try getting to know them. Very rewarding
  • LeonLeon Posts: 59,686
    Nigelb said:

    Leon said:

    Like, there are loads of buses here going to China

    China!!!

    Westerners are so used to getting to China by air into Beijing Shanghai Hongkong. At most a train out of Laos or a short hop from Thailand to Yunnan

    Here you get on a bus and it goes to Urumqi or Liniang. Never even heard of Liniang

    Google doesn't help either.
    Lijiang, though, looks well worth visiting:
    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lijiang
    I have, indeed, been to Lijiang. Lovely but quite touristy
  • CJtheOptimistCJtheOptimist Posts: 310

    Anyway, derailing the thread: on my morning walk, I came across something on the pavement that I cannot, in all my 52 years, recall seeing before.



    It was a snail with two shells, the other on top, and fused to, the bottom one. And before anyone says, I am pretty sure that it was not two snails copulating. The top shell was badly damaged on one side, but rather than being broken it seems to have grown deformed (or damage repaired). The patterning on the top shell matched, and aligned with, the bottom shell. There is a possibility that the damage is the remains of a third shell.

    Aside from this, it seemed to look like, and sized as, a common garden snail. A quick Google doesn't seem to produce any reasons for this. Does anyone have any ideas?

    Your nearest university zoology department would probably be interested, or at least be able to offer an explanation. Any of my opinions on it would be pure speculation.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 76,569
    edited April 19
    Given the US is now ending military aid to Ukraine anyway - and seems to be refusing requests for future arms sales to Ukraine - this gives every incentive for Russia to continue its invasion.

    Trump says US will 'pass' on Ukraine peace talks if no progress soon
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c20x5xn1g92o
  • AnneJGPAnneJGP Posts: 3,403
    It would be really interesting to compare this top ten, according to women seeking extramarital affairs, with a top ten according to women who aren't seeking extramarital affairs.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 30,110
    Cyclefree said:

    For @Foxy (fpt)

    I doubt if there is any sport where men's physiology does not give them an advantage.

    And if there is such a sport then there is no need to have women's and men's categories at all. Just one competition where all participate. So the question of excluding groups would not arise.

    But - forgive the cynicism - what we have instead is second or third rate sportsmen who can't win in the male category declare themselves women and proceed to cheat women out of places, prizes, opportunities and money/sponsorship opportunities.

    I'd be wary of your final paragraph. It might be misconstrued.

    Snooker? Some have suggested breasts might get in the way but there are small-breasted women and, in the past, large-gutted men. Male superiority with a cue probably reflects that only a few men were dedicated enough to spend hours a night in smoky snooker halls learning their trade.

    Likewise shooting and darts – I've suggested before that supplying free dartboards to every girls' school in the land might be the easiest way to produce female Luke Littlers. Young women generally don't want to hang about in pubs chucking arrows.

    The point is that men's superior performance does not always reflect physiological advantages, even if it usually does. Environment and upbringing matter too.
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 43,273
    Roger said:

    Anyway, derailing the thread: on my morning walk, I came across something on the pavement that I cannot, in all my 52 years, recall seeing before.



    It was a snail with two shells, the other on top, and fused to, the bottom one. And before anyone says, I am pretty sure that it was not two snails copulating. The top shell was badly damaged on one side, but rather than being broken it seems to have grown deformed (or damage repaired). The patterning on the top shell matched, and aligned with, the bottom shell. There is a possibility that the damage is the remains of a third shell.

    Aside from this, it seemed to look like, and sized as, a common garden snail. A quick Google doesn't seem to produce any reasons for this. Does anyone have any ideas?

    I read that snails don't grow new shells as I thought but rather add to the existing one. Perhaps the process went a little haywire?
    A first for me this am, two squirrels (grey natürlich) copulating in the garden. Not sure how I feel about that.
    Fantastic animals. All with their own distinct personality. If you don't already try getting to know them. Very rewarding
    Oh, I love the squirrels, endlessly entertaining, don't even begrudge them the handy chunk of bird seed they consume. It was just this am the chase me, chase me, ended in u-know-what. Hopefully their gender certificates were in order.
  • TimSTimS Posts: 14,873
    Nigelb said:

    Given the US is now ending military aid to Ukraine anyway - and seems to be refusing requests for future arms sales to Ukraine - this gives every incentive for Russia to continue its invasion.

    Trump says US will 'pass' on Ukraine peace talks if no progress soon
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c20x5xn1g92o

    If the US withdraws aid then so be it. What they can’t then do is claim any right to interfere in the conduct of the war or have any seat at the negotiating table afterwards.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 59,686
    edited April 19
    Ah. An exotic China expert friend says this is a Kazakh Cyrillic transliteration of Yining

    Those buses are going to Yining

    I’ve certainly never heard of Yining so it’s even better

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yining

  • boulayboulay Posts: 6,131
    AnneJGP said:

    It would be really interesting to compare this top ten, according to women seeking extramarital affairs, with a top ten according to women who aren't seeking extramarital affairs.

    Maybe the women who are seeking extramarital affairs choose these people because there is clear deniability, imagine their husband saying “I’ve been told you are having an affair with Robert Jenrick” and the wife being able to say “are you insane? Who the f would shag that monstrosity?

    Then the husband saying “god you are right, that’s just utter madness, sorry for doubting you darling.”
  • CyclefreeCyclefree Posts: 25,648
    On topic, not if they were the last men available on earth.
  • TimSTimS Posts: 14,873
    edited April 19
    Cyclefree said:

    For @Foxy (fpt)

    I doubt if there is any sport where men's physiology does not give them an advantage.

    And if there is such a sport then there is no need to have women's and men's categories at all. Just one competition where all participate. So the question of excluding groups would not arise.

    But - forgive the cynicism - what we have instead is second or third rate sportsmen who can't win in the male category declare themselves women and proceed to cheat women out of places, prizes, opportunities and money/sponsorship opportunities.

    “Declare themselves women”. That would be those pretendy fancy dress “trans-identified men” again. The transplaining is strong in this one.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 59,686
    I’m sure everyone knows thus already but Yining is built on the ancient city of Almaliq

    And…

    “Almaliq was originally one of Karluk cities in the Turkic Kaganates. It is known from the accounts of the Persian historians and Chinese travelers of the Mongol era (13th to 15th centuries), in particular the 13th-century Daoist Qiu Chuji (Chang Chun).
    According to the travel notes of Genghis Khan's chief adviser Yelü Chucai, the city of Almaliq was situated between the Tian Shan mountains and the Ili River. There were many crab apple trees around Almalik. The native people called them "almaliq", thus giving the name to the city.

    An account by a Persian historian tells that in 1211, Prince Ozar of Almaliq acknowledged the supremacy of Genghis Khan. The king was later killed by the Gurkhan of Karakitai”

    Just wanted to clear that up unless some massive PB argument kicks off, and goes on and on, like the Trans debate
  • CyclefreeCyclefree Posts: 25,648
    edited April 19

    Cyclefree said:

    For @Foxy (fpt)

    I doubt if there is any sport where men's physiology does not give them an advantage.

    And if there is such a sport then there is no need to have women's and men's categories at all. Just one competition where all participate. So the question of excluding groups would not arise.

    But - forgive the cynicism - what we have instead is second or third rate sportsmen who can't win in the male category declare themselves women and proceed to cheat women out of places, prizes, opportunities and money/sponsorship opportunities.

    I'd be wary of your final paragraph. It might be misconstrued.

    Snooker? Some have suggested breasts might get in the way but there are small-breasted women and, in the past, large-gutted men. Male superiority with a cue probably reflects that only a few men were dedicated enough to spend hours a night in smoky snooker halls learning their trade.

    Likewise shooting and darts – I've suggested before that supplying free dartboards to every girls' school in the land might be the easiest way to produce female Luke Littlers. Young women generally don't want to hang about in pubs chucking arrows.

    The point is that men's superior performance does not always reflect physiological advantages, even if it usually does. Environment and upbringing matter too.
    Snooker - men have advantages because of height, arm length and hand size.

    You assess male advantage by looking at the male body and how that affects what is physically needed in the sport. It is a scientific exercise not an assessment of how often someone practices.

    Honestly, the disingenuous stupidity of some of the "arguments" is astonishing. So much utter bullshit to justify "I want, I should get".
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 62,202
    Just looked up Illicit Encounters (Jesus, I hope that doesn't show up in my browsing history) and my first thought is that it's very basic as a website design, its claimed number of members is massively exaggerated and it's very expensive.

    I wouldn't trust "password protection" on it's photos for all the tea in China. You use that you're taking one hell of a risk.
  • RogerRoger Posts: 20,416

    Roger said:

    Anyway, derailing the thread: on my morning walk, I came across something on the pavement that I cannot, in all my 52 years, recall seeing before.



    It was a snail with two shells, the other on top, and fused to, the bottom one. And before anyone says, I am pretty sure that it was not two snails copulating. The top shell was badly damaged on one side, but rather than being broken it seems to have grown deformed (or damage repaired). The patterning on the top shell matched, and aligned with, the bottom shell. There is a possibility that the damage is the remains of a third shell.

    Aside from this, it seemed to look like, and sized as, a common garden snail. A quick Google doesn't seem to produce any reasons for this. Does anyone have any ideas?

    I read that snails don't grow new shells as I thought but rather add to the existing one. Perhaps the process went a little haywire?
    A first for me this am, two squirrels (grey natürlich) copulating in the garden. Not sure how I feel about that.
    Fantastic animals. All with their own distinct personality. If you don't already try getting to know them. Very rewarding
    Oh, I love the squirrels, endlessly entertaining, don't even begrudge them the handy chunk of bird seed they consume. It was just this am the chase me, chase me, ended in u-know-what. Hopefully their gender certificates were in order.
    Apparently the Scottish powers that be are trying to get rid of the greys because they're not indigenous. I hope you are part of the campaign against such stupidity?
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 54,485
    TimS said:

    Nigelb said:

    Given the US is now ending military aid to Ukraine anyway - and seems to be refusing requests for future arms sales to Ukraine - this gives every incentive for Russia to continue its invasion.

    Trump says US will 'pass' on Ukraine peace talks if no progress soon
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c20x5xn1g92o

    If the US withdraws aid then so be it. What they can’t then do is claim any right to interfere in the conduct of the war or have any seat at the negotiating table afterwards.
    Or complain when German Taurus missiles destroy Russia's hydrocarbons industry.

    Robbing Russia of the means to fund war is the surest way to end Putin's 3-day SMO.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 30,110
    Cyclefree said:

    Cyclefree said:

    For @Foxy (fpt)

    I doubt if there is any sport where men's physiology does not give them an advantage.

    And if there is such a sport then there is no need to have women's and men's categories at all. Just one competition where all participate. So the question of excluding groups would not arise.

    But - forgive the cynicism - what we have instead is second or third rate sportsmen who can't win in the male category declare themselves women and proceed to cheat women out of places, prizes, opportunities and money/sponsorship opportunities.

    I'd be wary of your final paragraph. It might be misconstrued.

    Snooker? Some have suggested breasts might get in the way but there are small-breasted women and, in the past, large-gutted men. Male superiority with a cue probably reflects that only a few men were dedicated enough to spend hours a night in smoky snooker halls learning their trade.

    Likewise shooting and darts – I've suggested before that supplying free dartboards to every girls' school in the land might be the easiest way to produce female Luke Littlers. Young women generally don't want to hang about in pubs chucking arrows.

    The point is that men's superior performance does not always reflect physiological advantages, even if it usually does. Environment and upbringing matter too.
    Snooker - men have advantages because of height, arm length and hand size.

    You assess male advantage by looking at the male body and how that affects what is physically needed in the sport. It is a scientific exercise not an assessment of how often someone practices.

    Honestly, the disingenuous stupidity of some of the "arguments" is astonishing. So much utter bullshit to justify "I want, I should get".
    Yes, tall men have an advantage over average women, but they have the same advantage over average men. But there are tall women. I've seen them. And I'm still guessing that the tall women did not spend their formative years in smoke-filled snooker halls.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 54,485
    Cyclefree said:

    On topic, not if they were the last men available on earth.

    Like you are ever going to admit your fantasy of a threesome with Jeremy Clarkson and Piers Morgan on a public forum... :)
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 30,110
    "WATCH THE FOOTBALL!" | David Prutton's hilarious EFL Easter weekend preview
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3J6eN2cbnoM

    Sky Sports promotes its weekend football coverage with this homage to the Mitchell & Webb sketch that can be seen here:-
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MusyO7J2inM
  • LeonLeon Posts: 59,686
    Omg. Bought ticket for wrong day. Thrown off bus. But driver came out with me and took me to the ticket office and carried half my luggage and helped me buy the right ticket for the same bus and helped me get back on. Made the whole bus wait for me. What a dude. Nice people

    Love Central Asia
  • LeonLeon Posts: 59,686

    Cyclefree said:

    On topic, not if they were the last men available on earth.

    Like you are ever going to admit your fantasy of a threesome with Jeremy Clarkson and Piers Morgan on a public forum... :)
    You have forgotten that on PB a fhreesome is now known as a “Swissnick”
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 54,485
    Leon said:

    I’m sure everyone knows thus already but Yining is built on the ancient city of Almaliq

    And…

    “Almaliq was originally one of Karluk cities in the Turkic Kaganates. It is known from the accounts of the Persian historians and Chinese travelers of the Mongol era (13th to 15th centuries), in particular the 13th-century Daoist Qiu Chuji (Chang Chun).
    According to the travel notes of Genghis Khan's chief adviser Yelü Chucai, the city of Almaliq was situated between the Tian Shan mountains and the Ili River. There were many crab apple trees around Almalik. The native people called them "almaliq", thus giving the name to the city.

    An account by a Persian historian tells that in 1211, Prince Ozar of Almaliq acknowledged the supremacy of Genghis Khan. The king was later killed by the Gurkhan of Karakitai”

    Just wanted to clear that up unless some massive PB argument kicks off, and goes on and on, like the Trans debate

    When I went to the Parthian fortresses of Nisa outside Ashgabat, one interesting snippet from the guide was the location was partly chosen because the nearby hills amplified the sound of approaching armies - and gave chance to prepare the defences.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 30,110
    Leon said:

    Omg. Bought ticket for wrong day. Thrown off bus. But driver came out with me and took me to the ticket office and carried half my luggage and helped me buy the right ticket for the same bus and helped me get back on. Made the whole bus wait for me. What a dude. Nice people

    Love Central Asia

    No Oyster cards?
  • noneoftheabovenoneoftheabove Posts: 24,234
    edited April 19

    Cyclefree said:

    Cyclefree said:

    For @Foxy (fpt)

    I doubt if there is any sport where men's physiology does not give them an advantage.

    And if there is such a sport then there is no need to have women's and men's categories at all. Just one competition where all participate. So the question of excluding groups would not arise.

    But - forgive the cynicism - what we have instead is second or third rate sportsmen who can't win in the male category declare themselves women and proceed to cheat women out of places, prizes, opportunities and money/sponsorship opportunities.

    I'd be wary of your final paragraph. It might be misconstrued.

    Snooker? Some have suggested breasts might get in the way but there are small-breasted women and, in the past, large-gutted men. Male superiority with a cue probably reflects that only a few men were dedicated enough to spend hours a night in smoky snooker halls learning their trade.

    Likewise shooting and darts – I've suggested before that supplying free dartboards to every girls' school in the land might be the easiest way to produce female Luke Littlers. Young women generally don't want to hang about in pubs chucking arrows.

    The point is that men's superior performance does not always reflect physiological advantages, even if it usually does. Environment and upbringing matter too.
    Snooker - men have advantages because of height, arm length and hand size.

    You assess male advantage by looking at the male body and how that affects what is physically needed in the sport. It is a scientific exercise not an assessment of how often someone practices.

    Honestly, the disingenuous stupidity of some of the "arguments" is astonishing. So much utter bullshit to justify "I want, I should get".
    Yes, tall men have an advantage over average women, but they have the same advantage over average men. But there are tall women. I've seen them. And I'm still guessing that the tall women did not spend their formative years in smoke-filled snooker halls.
    Hendry 1.88, Davis 1.88, O'Sullivan 1.8 so taller than average male seems to help but its not like they are all 2m+ giants. However, I think it would be close to impossible to be competitive in snooker at 1.60 or less.

    FWIW as a boring centrist I suspect you are both partially right.
  • boulayboulay Posts: 6,131
    Leon said:

    Cyclefree said:

    On topic, not if they were the last men available on earth.

    Like you are ever going to admit your fantasy of a threesome with Jeremy Clarkson and Piers Morgan on a public forum... :)
    You have forgotten that on PB a fhreesome is now known as a “Swissnick”
    Or a “Broxtowe Sandwich”.
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 43,273
    Roger said:

    Roger said:

    Anyway, derailing the thread: on my morning walk, I came across something on the pavement that I cannot, in all my 52 years, recall seeing before.



    It was a snail with two shells, the other on top, and fused to, the bottom one. And before anyone says, I am pretty sure that it was not two snails copulating. The top shell was badly damaged on one side, but rather than being broken it seems to have grown deformed (or damage repaired). The patterning on the top shell matched, and aligned with, the bottom shell. There is a possibility that the damage is the remains of a third shell.

    Aside from this, it seemed to look like, and sized as, a common garden snail. A quick Google doesn't seem to produce any reasons for this. Does anyone have any ideas?

    I read that snails don't grow new shells as I thought but rather add to the existing one. Perhaps the process went a little haywire?
    A first for me this am, two squirrels (grey natürlich) copulating in the garden. Not sure how I feel about that.
    Fantastic animals. All with their own distinct personality. If you don't already try getting to know them. Very rewarding
    Oh, I love the squirrels, endlessly entertaining, don't even begrudge them the handy chunk of bird seed they consume. It was just this am the chase me, chase me, ended in u-know-what. Hopefully their gender certificates were in order.
    Apparently the Scottish powers that be are trying to get rid of the greys because they're not indigenous. I hope you are part of the campaign against such stupidity?
    I believe greys have no protection UK wide and it's legal to shoot them. I could see it might be wise to cull them in some remote fastness where red squirrels live but rather pointless in the east end of Glasgow.

    One Glasgow restaurant stuffs their tortellini with squirrel.

    https://www.thetimes.com/travel/destinations/uk-travel/scotland-travel/glasgow-restaurant-finds-a-solution-to-grey-squirrel-problem-z67zmb0dkdl



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    Kyle Cheney
    @kyledcheney
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    4h
    BREAKING: The Supreme Court has blocked the Trump administration from deporting foreign nationals under the Alien Enemies Act. Thomas, Alito dissent.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 54,485

    "WATCH THE FOOTBALL!" | David Prutton's hilarious EFL Easter weekend preview
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3J6eN2cbnoM

    Sky Sports promotes its weekend football coverage with this homage to the Mitchell & Webb sketch that can be seen here:-
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MusyO7J2inM

    That is quite the tribute.
  • TazTaz Posts: 17,548
    Cyclefree said:

    For @Foxy (fpt)

    I doubt if there is any sport where men's physiology does not give them an advantage.

    And if there is such a sport then there is no need to have women's and men's categories at all. Just one competition where all participate. So the question of excluding groups would not arise.

    But - forgive the cynicism - what we have instead is second or third rate sportsmen who can't win in the male category declare themselves women and proceed to cheat women out of places, prizes, opportunities and money/sponsorship opportunities.

    What about snooker and darts ? Less about physical strength more hand/eye coordination ?
  • StereodogStereodog Posts: 844
    Cyclefree said:

    For @Foxy (fpt)

    I doubt if there is any sport where men's physiology does not give them an advantage.

    And if there is such a sport then there is no need to have women's and men's categories at all. Just one competition where all participate. So the question of excluding groups would not arise.

    But - forgive the cynicism - what we have instead is second or third rate sportsmen who can't win in the male category declare themselves women and proceed to cheat women out of places, prizes, opportunities and money/sponsorship opportunities.

    This was my problem with your otherwise excellent previous thread. I agree that trans women shouldn't be allowed to compete with biological women in most sports but what evidence do you have other than prejudice that people are deliberately declaring themselves a trans women to gain an advantage in professional sport?
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 43,273
    boulay said:

    Leon said:

    Cyclefree said:

    On topic, not if they were the last men available on earth.

    Like you are ever going to admit your fantasy of a threesome with Jeremy Clarkson and Piers Morgan on a public forum... :)
    You have forgotten that on PB a fhreesome is now known as a “Swissnick”
    Or a “Broxtowe Sandwich”.
    Might a Camberwell Carrot be involved?
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 54,485
    Taz said:

    Cyclefree said:

    For @Foxy (fpt)

    I doubt if there is any sport where men's physiology does not give them an advantage.

    And if there is such a sport then there is no need to have women's and men's categories at all. Just one competition where all participate. So the question of excluding groups would not arise.

    But - forgive the cynicism - what we have instead is second or third rate sportsmen who can't win in the male category declare themselves women and proceed to cheat women out of places, prizes, opportunities and money/sponsorship opportunities.

    What about snooker and darts ? Less about physical strength more hand/eye coordination ?
    Curling? All about the brush work. Let's face it, most men have never used a brush....
  • MattWMattW Posts: 26,582
    edited April 19
    A remarkable Court, and concise, ruling in the Garcia case, pointing up all the key questions in refusing to interfere with the District Court enforcing the Supreme Court ruling - by a Reagan appointed Judge.

    7 minutes from the Eagle Team.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0n_GfNbJwDY
  • noneoftheabovenoneoftheabove Posts: 24,234

    Cyclefree said:

    Cyclefree said:

    For @Foxy (fpt)

    I doubt if there is any sport where men's physiology does not give them an advantage.

    And if there is such a sport then there is no need to have women's and men's categories at all. Just one competition where all participate. So the question of excluding groups would not arise.

    But - forgive the cynicism - what we have instead is second or third rate sportsmen who can't win in the male category declare themselves women and proceed to cheat women out of places, prizes, opportunities and money/sponsorship opportunities.

    I'd be wary of your final paragraph. It might be misconstrued.

    Snooker? Some have suggested breasts might get in the way but there are small-breasted women and, in the past, large-gutted men. Male superiority with a cue probably reflects that only a few men were dedicated enough to spend hours a night in smoky snooker halls learning their trade.

    Likewise shooting and darts – I've suggested before that supplying free dartboards to every girls' school in the land might be the easiest way to produce female Luke Littlers. Young women generally don't want to hang about in pubs chucking arrows.

    The point is that men's superior performance does not always reflect physiological advantages, even if it usually does. Environment and upbringing matter too.
    Snooker - men have advantages because of height, arm length and hand size.

    You assess male advantage by looking at the male body and how that affects what is physically needed in the sport. It is a scientific exercise not an assessment of how often someone practices.

    Honestly, the disingenuous stupidity of some of the "arguments" is astonishing. So much utter bullshit to justify "I want, I should get".
    Yes, tall men have an advantage over average women, but they have the same advantage over average men. But there are tall women. I've seen them. And I'm still guessing that the tall women did not spend their formative years in smoke-filled snooker halls.
    Hendry 1.88, Davis 1.88, O'Sullivan 1.8 so taller than average male seems to help but its not like they are all 2m+ giants. However, I think it would be close to impossible to be competitive in snooker at 1.60 or less.

    FWIW as a boring centrist I suspect you are both partially right.
    Graeme Dott is the shortest recent World Champion at 1.65! Next shortest 1.73.
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