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  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 30,751
    boulay said:

    rcs1000 said:

    For what it's worth, I would choose Canada over Australia as a marriage partner for the UK. For a start, the skiing is much better. It's also not such a crazy hassle to get to, and there's far less jet lag.

    Ottawa is nicer than Canberra too, albeit in the same way that syphilis is nicer than herpes.

    Is syphilis nicer than herpes? I thought herpes gives you coldsores but syphilis means you go blind and have to have mercury injected up your willy?
    Syph is totally treatable now, herpes stays with you forever so whilst manageable it’s always there and highly transferable so you are likely to have to have some uncomfortable conversations once in a relationship and they want to stop having unprotected sex.
    If it's not on, it's not on.
  • Richard_TyndallRichard_Tyndall Posts: 33,255
    edited April 18

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    CatMan said:

    "Americans are now split on whether Russia is an ‘enemy,’ poll finds"

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2025/04/17/russia-ukraine-trump-poll-enemy/

    "The share of Americans who consider Russia an “enemy” has fallen to its lowest point since it began its full-scale invasion of Ukraine in 2022, according to a poll published Thursday by Pew Research Center. The shift owes largely to evolving views among Republicans amid stark changes in U.S. policy and diplomacy toward Russia and Ukraine under President Donald Trump.

    The survey found the share of Americans who said Russia was an “enemy” had fallen to 50 percent, from 61 percent in April 2024 and 70 percent in March 2022, just after the invasion began.

    The softening in attitudes toward Russia was far sharper among Republican voters, with 40 percent saying Russia was an enemy, down from 58 percent last year and 69 percent in March 2022. Thirty-four percent of Americans overall now describe Russia as a competitor of the United States, while just 9 percent said it was a partner.
    "

    When the USA gets attacked again - and they will (*) - there will not be a coalition of the willing to help them. And this time, more people will just shrug their shoulders and say; "You see, that's what it feels like!"

    (*) They will get attacked, because MAGA still see the USA as the most important world power. As Russia sees itself. And as China sees itself. That will lead to conflicts between them, probably proxy, but maybe worse. Also, to be the most important power, you need to throw your weight around - witness all Trump's Gaza nonsense. And that creates enemies who will want to fight you asymmetrically - as happened on 9/11 and before.
    Russia does not see itself as “the most important world power”. They’re not delusional to that extent

    They know America and China are much stronger and likely always will be

    But they want to be seen as top of the next tier. A truly great power albeit not a superpower. It’s the potential demotion to the third tier - “economy the size of Spain” and all that - that really exercises them
    What Putin wants is the resurrection of the old "spheres of influence" polity. Xi would probably be happy with that, as would the America First zealots.

    The "End of History" as posited by Fukuyama would be well and truly up-ended. As would Western liberal democracy.
    Yes that’s a sharp analysis
    We'd be quite fucked. Our prosperity depends on free and open global trade.

    The reason we've done well the last century is that at first we policed it and then the Americans took over.

    If no-one does then, well, we're in trouble.
    Increasingly, free and open global trade is benefitting a small number of multinationals and their executives and not the majority of the population of the countries involved. Free and openglobal trade in the way it is now practiced means exporting jobs to countries with lower labour and material costs and buyng back unwanted and unneeded tat.

    There was a time when free and global trade benefitted most people. Not any more.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 62,186

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    CatMan said:

    "Americans are now split on whether Russia is an ‘enemy,’ poll finds"

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2025/04/17/russia-ukraine-trump-poll-enemy/

    "The share of Americans who consider Russia an “enemy” has fallen to its lowest point since it began its full-scale invasion of Ukraine in 2022, according to a poll published Thursday by Pew Research Center. The shift owes largely to evolving views among Republicans amid stark changes in U.S. policy and diplomacy toward Russia and Ukraine under President Donald Trump.

    The survey found the share of Americans who said Russia was an “enemy” had fallen to 50 percent, from 61 percent in April 2024 and 70 percent in March 2022, just after the invasion began.

    The softening in attitudes toward Russia was far sharper among Republican voters, with 40 percent saying Russia was an enemy, down from 58 percent last year and 69 percent in March 2022. Thirty-four percent of Americans overall now describe Russia as a competitor of the United States, while just 9 percent said it was a partner.
    "

    When the USA gets attacked again - and they will (*) - there will not be a coalition of the willing to help them. And this time, more people will just shrug their shoulders and say; "You see, that's what it feels like!"

    (*) They will get attacked, because MAGA still see the USA as the most important world power. As Russia sees itself. And as China sees itself. That will lead to conflicts between them, probably proxy, but maybe worse. Also, to be the most important power, you need to throw your weight around - witness all Trump's Gaza nonsense. And that creates enemies who will want to fight you asymmetrically - as happened on 9/11 and before.
    Russia does not see itself as “the most important world power”. They’re not delusional to that extent

    They know America and China are much stronger and likely always will be

    But they want to be seen as top of the next tier. A truly great power albeit not a superpower. It’s the potential demotion to the third tier - “economy the size of Spain” and all that - that really exercises them
    What Putin wants is the resurrection of the old "spheres of influence" polity. Xi would probably be happy with that, as would the America First zealots.

    The "End of History" as posited by Fukuyama would be well and truly up-ended. As would Western liberal democracy.
    Yes that’s a sharp analysis
    We'd be quite fucked. Our prosperity depends on free and open global trade.

    The reason we've done well the last century is that at first we policed it and then the Americans took over.

    If no-one does then, well, we're in trouble.
    We haven't done well in the last century.
    Don't be silly.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 44,719
    edited April 18
    Nigelb said:

    FFS, what kind of strategy is this?

    🇺🇸→🇺🇦 Agree to peace NOW!
    🇺🇦→🇺🇸 OK. Unconditional ceasefire, negotiated in a day

    🇺🇸→🇷🇺 Dear russia, please 🙏 agree to peace
    🇷🇺→🇺🇸 NO. We want to wage a criminal war. To be clear, we’ll murder children every week

    🇺🇸→🇷🇺 Oh, that’s how you are? Well then, we walk away 🤦🏻‍♂️

    Who will ever take us seriously?
    Russia invaded Ukraine to kill Ukrainians for being Ukrainian. The bravest nation on earth is defending itself, and we can’t choose a side?

    How to project weakness, destroy American credibility on a world stage in less than 100 days, a masterclass

    https://x.com/ChakhoyanAndrew/status/1913160946576433600

    Time for Europe to plan for the US completely abandoning Ukraine, as that now seems a fairly likely outcome.

    A drawback of Donald Trump as president is he can't manage anything that's difficult. If it can't be done by decree or press conference or social media it won't be happening.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 62,186

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    CatMan said:

    "Americans are now split on whether Russia is an ‘enemy,’ poll finds"

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2025/04/17/russia-ukraine-trump-poll-enemy/

    "The share of Americans who consider Russia an “enemy” has fallen to its lowest point since it began its full-scale invasion of Ukraine in 2022, according to a poll published Thursday by Pew Research Center. The shift owes largely to evolving views among Republicans amid stark changes in U.S. policy and diplomacy toward Russia and Ukraine under President Donald Trump.

    The survey found the share of Americans who said Russia was an “enemy” had fallen to 50 percent, from 61 percent in April 2024 and 70 percent in March 2022, just after the invasion began.

    The softening in attitudes toward Russia was far sharper among Republican voters, with 40 percent saying Russia was an enemy, down from 58 percent last year and 69 percent in March 2022. Thirty-four percent of Americans overall now describe Russia as a competitor of the United States, while just 9 percent said it was a partner.
    "

    When the USA gets attacked again - and they will (*) - there will not be a coalition of the willing to help them. And this time, more people will just shrug their shoulders and say; "You see, that's what it feels like!"

    (*) They will get attacked, because MAGA still see the USA as the most important world power. As Russia sees itself. And as China sees itself. That will lead to conflicts between them, probably proxy, but maybe worse. Also, to be the most important power, you need to throw your weight around - witness all Trump's Gaza nonsense. And that creates enemies who will want to fight you asymmetrically - as happened on 9/11 and before.
    Russia does not see itself as “the most important world power”. They’re not delusional to that extent

    They know America and China are much stronger and likely always will be

    But they want to be seen as top of the next tier. A truly great power albeit not a superpower. It’s the potential demotion to the third tier - “economy the size of Spain” and all that - that really exercises them
    What Putin wants is the resurrection of the old "spheres of influence" polity. Xi would probably be happy with that, as would the America First zealots.

    The "End of History" as posited by Fukuyama would be well and truly up-ended. As would Western liberal democracy.
    Yes that’s a sharp analysis
    We'd be quite fucked. Our prosperity depends on free and open global trade.

    The reason we've done well the last century is that at first we policed it and then the Americans took over.

    If no-one does then, well, we're in trouble.
    Increasingly, free and open global trade is benefitting a small number of multinationals and their executives and not the majority of the population of the countries involved. Free and openglobal trade in the way it is now practiced means exporting jobs to countries with lower labour and material costs and buyng back unwanted and unneeded tat.

    There was a time when free and global trade benefitted most people. Not any more.
    What I mean by free and open trade is that you can buy and sell goods and services freely worldwide.

    That's what we need.

    A world where lots of borders shut down and deny access to British ships, professionals and merchants would be really shit.
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 38,465
    edited April 18

    Sean_F said:

    O/T but I thought the Ridley Scott depiction of the Battle of Waterloo, was absolutely dire, especially compared to the 1970 film.

    It was only better than the Long Night, in the last season of Game of Thrones, insofar as it was shorter.

    Waterloo (1970), as a film, was bloody brilliant.
    I don't why so many battle scenes in films and series are so crap, given that it's not hard to do the research, and that you get films like Waterloo, Cross of Iron, or War and Peace, that do them very well.

    The battle co-ordinator, for Scott's Napoleon, was apparently convinced that Napoleon's reputation as a commander was basically just down to good PR, which is ... revisionist, to say the least.
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 35,290

    Sean_F said:

    O/T but I thought the Ridley Scott depiction of the Battle of Waterloo, was absolutely dire, especially compared to the 1970 film.

    It was only better than the Long Night, in the last season of Game of Thrones, insofar as it was shorter.

    Waterloo (1970), as a film, was bloody brilliant.
    Intrigued to know what it was not so good as. A pop song? A station?
  • Richard_TyndallRichard_Tyndall Posts: 33,255
    rcs1000 said:

    Leon said:

    Cookie said:

    kinabalu said:

    kinabalu said:

    Leon said:

    If Canada and the UK and Oz etc do unite we must surely call it the

    Federal Union of Commonwealth Kingdoms

    Greater Britain
    Empire Redux.
    The Making the Globe Pink Again Empire.
    Perhaps they could even get a float at Pride parades.
    Except this new bloc has a strong hetero vibe. It's all the countries Bond would have considered sound minus the USA.
    Canada provided for same sex marriage in 2005, the fourth country in the world to do so. The UK in 2014, the fourteenth.

    It is not yet legal in India or Nigeria.
    Such a union couldn't just be based on friendly liberal pats on the back over gay marriage.
    I was responding to the suggestion that such a union carried the unsavoury odour of heterosexuality.
    Yes, I didn't really get kinabalu's point there? How are Canada and Australia more heterosexual than other countries? And why is this unsavoury if it's true?
    The reason Brits always add Oz and NZ to Canada as a potential political marriage partner is because Brits want to have the option of somewhere warm and sunny to go. Australia

    For all its many virtues Canada doesn’t provide that


    I really do think it is as simple as that
    Nah. Even simpler. A mother never admits to preferring one child over another
    Really?

    We have weekly child rankings.
    Yeah but I happen to know your kids fix it by quoting a Radiohead song at just the right moment. ;)
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 44,058

    Are you lot not ignoring the inverse with this ruling? That trans men are forced back to women's spaces.

    Lets take the most awkward situation: there is a man somewhere a man should not be. Who is going to check if they are really trans or simply pretending?

    Seems Schroedinger's pervs win wither way.

    Yes, indeed. Someone who looks like a man can now enter a women-only space with impunity - they can just claim to be a trans man. It's not really practical to check that claim in most circumstances.

    The group who brought this case do not seem to have spent even a nanosecond considering it may have negative repercussions for the women they were claiming to represent. But given the motivation of their major financial backer that's not wholly surprising.
    Are you right in the head.
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 35,290

    rcs1000 said:

    For what it's worth, I would choose Canada over Australia as a marriage partner for the UK. For a start, the skiing is much better. It's also not such a crazy hassle to get to, and there's far less jet lag.

    Ottawa is nicer than Canberra too, albeit in the same way that syphilis is nicer than herpes.

    Is syphilis nicer than herpes? I thought herpes gives you coldsores but syphilis means you go blind and have to have mercury injected up your willy?
    You truly are living in the 19th century. Fair play.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 34,292
    "Toblerone dark chocolate bar discontinued in the UK"

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cy4v0jy925vo
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 38,465

    rcs1000 said:

    For what it's worth, I would choose Canada over Australia as a marriage partner for the UK. For a start, the skiing is much better. It's also not such a crazy hassle to get to, and there's far less jet lag.

    Ottawa is nicer than Canberra too, albeit in the same way that syphilis is nicer than herpes.

    Is syphilis nicer than herpes? I thought herpes gives you coldsores but syphilis means you go blind and have to have mercury injected up your willy?
    You truly are living in the 19th century. Fair play.
    I thought it was self-abuse that makes people go blind.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 54,133

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    CatMan said:

    "Americans are now split on whether Russia is an ‘enemy,’ poll finds"

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2025/04/17/russia-ukraine-trump-poll-enemy/

    "The share of Americans who consider Russia an “enemy” has fallen to its lowest point since it began its full-scale invasion of Ukraine in 2022, according to a poll published Thursday by Pew Research Center. The shift owes largely to evolving views among Republicans amid stark changes in U.S. policy and diplomacy toward Russia and Ukraine under President Donald Trump.

    The survey found the share of Americans who said Russia was an “enemy” had fallen to 50 percent, from 61 percent in April 2024 and 70 percent in March 2022, just after the invasion began.

    The softening in attitudes toward Russia was far sharper among Republican voters, with 40 percent saying Russia was an enemy, down from 58 percent last year and 69 percent in March 2022. Thirty-four percent of Americans overall now describe Russia as a competitor of the United States, while just 9 percent said it was a partner.
    "

    When the USA gets attacked again - and they will (*) - there will not be a coalition of the willing to help them. And this time, more people will just shrug their shoulders and say; "You see, that's what it feels like!"

    (*) They will get attacked, because MAGA still see the USA as the most important world power. As Russia sees itself. And as China sees itself. That will lead to conflicts between them, probably proxy, but maybe worse. Also, to be the most important power, you need to throw your weight around - witness all Trump's Gaza nonsense. And that creates enemies who will want to fight you asymmetrically - as happened on 9/11 and before.
    Russia does not see itself as “the most important world power”. They’re not delusional to that extent

    They know America and China are much stronger and likely always will be

    But they want to be seen as top of the next tier. A truly great power albeit not a superpower. It’s the potential demotion to the third tier - “economy the size of Spain” and all that - that really exercises them
    What Putin wants is the resurrection of the old "spheres of influence" polity. Xi would probably be happy with that, as would the America First zealots.

    The "End of History" as posited by Fukuyama would be well and truly up-ended. As would Western liberal democracy.
    Yes that’s a sharp analysis
    We'd be quite fucked. Our prosperity depends on free and open global trade.

    The reason we've done well the last century is that at first we policed it and then the Americans took over.

    If no-one does then, well, we're in trouble.
    We haven't done well in the last century.
    Don't be silly.
    It would be interesting to get his account of this -


  • Richard_TyndallRichard_Tyndall Posts: 33,255

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    CatMan said:

    "Americans are now split on whether Russia is an ‘enemy,’ poll finds"

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2025/04/17/russia-ukraine-trump-poll-enemy/

    "The share of Americans who consider Russia an “enemy” has fallen to its lowest point since it began its full-scale invasion of Ukraine in 2022, according to a poll published Thursday by Pew Research Center. The shift owes largely to evolving views among Republicans amid stark changes in U.S. policy and diplomacy toward Russia and Ukraine under President Donald Trump.

    The survey found the share of Americans who said Russia was an “enemy” had fallen to 50 percent, from 61 percent in April 2024 and 70 percent in March 2022, just after the invasion began.

    The softening in attitudes toward Russia was far sharper among Republican voters, with 40 percent saying Russia was an enemy, down from 58 percent last year and 69 percent in March 2022. Thirty-four percent of Americans overall now describe Russia as a competitor of the United States, while just 9 percent said it was a partner.
    "

    When the USA gets attacked again - and they will (*) - there will not be a coalition of the willing to help them. And this time, more people will just shrug their shoulders and say; "You see, that's what it feels like!"

    (*) They will get attacked, because MAGA still see the USA as the most important world power. As Russia sees itself. And as China sees itself. That will lead to conflicts between them, probably proxy, but maybe worse. Also, to be the most important power, you need to throw your weight around - witness all Trump's Gaza nonsense. And that creates enemies who will want to fight you asymmetrically - as happened on 9/11 and before.
    Russia does not see itself as “the most important world power”. They’re not delusional to that extent

    They know America and China are much stronger and likely always will be

    But they want to be seen as top of the next tier. A truly great power albeit not a superpower. It’s the potential demotion to the third tier - “economy the size of Spain” and all that - that really exercises them
    What Putin wants is the resurrection of the old "spheres of influence" polity. Xi would probably be happy with that, as would the America First zealots.

    The "End of History" as posited by Fukuyama would be well and truly up-ended. As would Western liberal democracy.
    Yes that’s a sharp analysis
    We'd be quite fucked. Our prosperity depends on free and open global trade.

    The reason we've done well the last century is that at first we policed it and then the Americans took over.

    If no-one does then, well, we're in trouble.
    Increasingly, free and open global trade is benefitting a small number of multinationals and their executives and not the majority of the population of the countries involved. Free and openglobal trade in the way it is now practiced means exporting jobs to countries with lower labour and material costs and buyng back unwanted and unneeded tat.

    There was a time when free and global trade benefitted most people. Not any more.
    What I mean by free and open trade is that you can buy and sell goods and services freely worldwide.

    That's what we need.

    A world where lots of borders shut down and deny access to British ships, professionals and merchants would be really shit.
    I agree. And that is what it used to mean. But that is not the case any more. Free trade in the modern sense means the ability of multinationals to operate anywhere in the world to maximise their profit margin and minimise their exposure to local taxes and labour and environmental laws. Backed up where necessary by the more powerful national Governments to ensure no local objection.

    It is the British Empire model.

  • TazTaz Posts: 17,536
    Andy_JS said:

    "Toblerone dark chocolate bar discontinued in the UK"

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cy4v0jy925vo

    The cynic in me expects this will just see a spike in demand !
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 38,465

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    CatMan said:

    "Americans are now split on whether Russia is an ‘enemy,’ poll finds"

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2025/04/17/russia-ukraine-trump-poll-enemy/

    "The share of Americans who consider Russia an “enemy” has fallen to its lowest point since it began its full-scale invasion of Ukraine in 2022, according to a poll published Thursday by Pew Research Center. The shift owes largely to evolving views among Republicans amid stark changes in U.S. policy and diplomacy toward Russia and Ukraine under President Donald Trump.

    The survey found the share of Americans who said Russia was an “enemy” had fallen to 50 percent, from 61 percent in April 2024 and 70 percent in March 2022, just after the invasion began.

    The softening in attitudes toward Russia was far sharper among Republican voters, with 40 percent saying Russia was an enemy, down from 58 percent last year and 69 percent in March 2022. Thirty-four percent of Americans overall now describe Russia as a competitor of the United States, while just 9 percent said it was a partner.
    "

    When the USA gets attacked again - and they will (*) - there will not be a coalition of the willing to help them. And this time, more people will just shrug their shoulders and say; "You see, that's what it feels like!"

    (*) They will get attacked, because MAGA still see the USA as the most important world power. As Russia sees itself. And as China sees itself. That will lead to conflicts between them, probably proxy, but maybe worse. Also, to be the most important power, you need to throw your weight around - witness all Trump's Gaza nonsense. And that creates enemies who will want to fight you asymmetrically - as happened on 9/11 and before.
    Russia does not see itself as “the most important world power”. They’re not delusional to that extent

    They know America and China are much stronger and likely always will be

    But they want to be seen as top of the next tier. A truly great power albeit not a superpower. It’s the potential demotion to the third tier - “economy the size of Spain” and all that - that really exercises them
    What Putin wants is the resurrection of the old "spheres of influence" polity. Xi would probably be happy with that, as would the America First zealots.

    The "End of History" as posited by Fukuyama would be well and truly up-ended. As would Western liberal democracy.
    Yes that’s a sharp analysis
    We'd be quite fucked. Our prosperity depends on free and open global trade.

    The reason we've done well the last century is that at first we policed it and then the Americans took over.

    If no-one does then, well, we're in trouble.
    We haven't done well in the last century.
    Don't be silly.
    It would be interesting to get his account of this -


    You do get a notable jump in GDP per capita, after the Black Death, but then, nothing much until towards the end of the 17th century.
  • algarkirkalgarkirk Posts: 13,983
    Sean_F said:

    Everytime I post about UK-Canada, people want to add Australia-NZ.

    There is probably a case for stronger links of some sort, but there is no geopolitical logic. The South Pacific is too far from the North Atlantic, as New Zealanders learned with the fall of Singapore.

    The UK's future lies in good links with Nigeria and India, populous countries where English is widely spoken and with large growing educated middle classes.
    The Indians appear to hate the British, as rising Indian (or Hindi) nationalism seems to go hand-in-hand with revisionist accounts of the Raj.
    Modhi, like so many nationalists, believes in a golden age that never was, before the British, the Sikh kingdoms, the Moghuls, and the Sultans of Delhi.
    It's the subject of Willaim Dalrymple's latest book, The Golden Road - most enjoyable. apparently the golden age was fairly Buddhist. Don't tell Modhi.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 51,089

    rcs1000 said:

    For what it's worth, I would choose Canada over Australia as a marriage partner for the UK. For a start, the skiing is much better. It's also not such a crazy hassle to get to, and there's far less jet lag.

    Ottawa is nicer than Canberra too, albeit in the same way that syphilis is nicer than herpes.

    Is syphilis nicer than herpes? I thought herpes gives you coldsores but syphilis means you go blind and have to have mercury injected up your willy?

    Probably one of the tiny number of subjects about which our Leon has some relevant expertise to offer…
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 53,559
    Andy_JS said:

    "Toblerone dark chocolate bar discontinued in the UK"

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cy4v0jy925vo

    Racism! :lol:
  • AnneJGPAnneJGP Posts: 3,396
    Taz said:

    Andy_JS said:

    "Toblerone dark chocolate bar discontinued in the UK"

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cy4v0jy925vo

    The cynic in me expects this will just see a spike in demand !
    I'd not known there was a dark chocolate Toblerone and my reaction to reading about its demise was to wonder what it's like. (Not interested in ordinary Toblerone.)
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 53,559
    algarkirk said:

    Sean_F said:

    Everytime I post about UK-Canada, people want to add Australia-NZ.

    There is probably a case for stronger links of some sort, but there is no geopolitical logic. The South Pacific is too far from the North Atlantic, as New Zealanders learned with the fall of Singapore.

    The UK's future lies in good links with Nigeria and India, populous countries where English is widely spoken and with large growing educated middle classes.
    The Indians appear to hate the British, as rising Indian (or Hindi) nationalism seems to go hand-in-hand with revisionist accounts of the Raj.
    Modhi, like so many nationalists, believes in a golden age that never was, before the British, the Sikh kingdoms, the Moghuls, and the Sultans of Delhi.
    It's the subject of Willaim Dalrymple's latest book, The Golden Road - most enjoyable. apparently the golden age was fairly Buddhist. Don't tell Modhi.
    Modi :lol:
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 54,133
    edited April 18
    Sean_F said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    CatMan said:

    "Americans are now split on whether Russia is an ‘enemy,’ poll finds"

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2025/04/17/russia-ukraine-trump-poll-enemy/

    "The share of Americans who consider Russia an “enemy” has fallen to its lowest point since it began its full-scale invasion of Ukraine in 2022, according to a poll published Thursday by Pew Research Center. The shift owes largely to evolving views among Republicans amid stark changes in U.S. policy and diplomacy toward Russia and Ukraine under President Donald Trump.

    The survey found the share of Americans who said Russia was an “enemy” had fallen to 50 percent, from 61 percent in April 2024 and 70 percent in March 2022, just after the invasion began.

    The softening in attitudes toward Russia was far sharper among Republican voters, with 40 percent saying Russia was an enemy, down from 58 percent last year and 69 percent in March 2022. Thirty-four percent of Americans overall now describe Russia as a competitor of the United States, while just 9 percent said it was a partner.
    "

    When the USA gets attacked again - and they will (*) - there will not be a coalition of the willing to help them. And this time, more people will just shrug their shoulders and say; "You see, that's what it feels like!"

    (*) They will get attacked, because MAGA still see the USA as the most important world power. As Russia sees itself. And as China sees itself. That will lead to conflicts between them, probably proxy, but maybe worse. Also, to be the most important power, you need to throw your weight around - witness all Trump's Gaza nonsense. And that creates enemies who will want to fight you asymmetrically - as happened on 9/11 and before.
    Russia does not see itself as “the most important world power”. They’re not delusional to that extent

    They know America and China are much stronger and likely always will be

    But they want to be seen as top of the next tier. A truly great power albeit not a superpower. It’s the potential demotion to the third tier - “economy the size of Spain” and all that - that really exercises them
    What Putin wants is the resurrection of the old "spheres of influence" polity. Xi would probably be happy with that, as would the America First zealots.

    The "End of History" as posited by Fukuyama would be well and truly up-ended. As would Western liberal democracy.
    Yes that’s a sharp analysis
    We'd be quite fucked. Our prosperity depends on free and open global trade.

    The reason we've done well the last century is that at first we policed it and then the Americans took over.

    If no-one does then, well, we're in trouble.
    We haven't done well in the last century.
    Don't be silly.
    It would be interesting to get his account of this -


    You do get a notable jump in GDP per capita, after the Black Death, but then, nothing much until towards the end of the 17th century.
    Hmmm… the mad increases of the 20th cent make it hard to see, but


  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 51,089

    Sean_F said:

    O/T but I thought the Ridley Scott depiction of the Battle of Waterloo, was absolutely dire, especially compared to the 1970 film.

    It was only better than the Long Night, in the last season of Game of Thrones, insofar as it was shorter.

    Waterloo (1970), as a film, was bloody brilliant.
    The Ukrainian army, in fancy dress and full splendour
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 53,559
    Sean_F said:

    rcs1000 said:

    For what it's worth, I would choose Canada over Australia as a marriage partner for the UK. For a start, the skiing is much better. It's also not such a crazy hassle to get to, and there's far less jet lag.

    Ottawa is nicer than Canberra too, albeit in the same way that syphilis is nicer than herpes.

    Is syphilis nicer than herpes? I thought herpes gives you coldsores but syphilis means you go blind and have to have mercury injected up your willy?
    You truly are living in the 19th century. Fair play.
    I thought it was self-abuse that makes people go blind.
    If I actually consent to my own self-abuse, it's not really abuse, is it?

    #philosophical
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 65,446
    Musk just found out that the Fed Reserve has a DEI policy.

    Brace.
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 35,290
    Sean_F said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    CatMan said:

    "Americans are now split on whether Russia is an ‘enemy,’ poll finds"

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2025/04/17/russia-ukraine-trump-poll-enemy/

    "The share of Americans who consider Russia an “enemy” has fallen to its lowest point since it began its full-scale invasion of Ukraine in 2022, according to a poll published Thursday by Pew Research Center. The shift owes largely to evolving views among Republicans amid stark changes in U.S. policy and diplomacy toward Russia and Ukraine under President Donald Trump.

    The survey found the share of Americans who said Russia was an “enemy” had fallen to 50 percent, from 61 percent in April 2024 and 70 percent in March 2022, just after the invasion began.

    The softening in attitudes toward Russia was far sharper among Republican voters, with 40 percent saying Russia was an enemy, down from 58 percent last year and 69 percent in March 2022. Thirty-four percent of Americans overall now describe Russia as a competitor of the United States, while just 9 percent said it was a partner.
    "

    When the USA gets attacked again - and they will (*) - there will not be a coalition of the willing to help them. And this time, more people will just shrug their shoulders and say; "You see, that's what it feels like!"

    (*) They will get attacked, because MAGA still see the USA as the most important world power. As Russia sees itself. And as China sees itself. That will lead to conflicts between them, probably proxy, but maybe worse. Also, to be the most important power, you need to throw your weight around - witness all Trump's Gaza nonsense. And that creates enemies who will want to fight you asymmetrically - as happened on 9/11 and before.
    Russia does not see itself as “the most important world power”. They’re not delusional to that extent

    They know America and China are much stronger and likely always will be

    But they want to be seen as top of the next tier. A truly great power albeit not a superpower. It’s the potential demotion to the third tier - “economy the size of Spain” and all that - that really exercises them
    What Putin wants is the resurrection of the old "spheres of influence" polity. Xi would probably be happy with that, as would the America First zealots.

    The "End of History" as posited by Fukuyama would be well and truly up-ended. As would Western liberal democracy.
    Yes that’s a sharp analysis
    We'd be quite fucked. Our prosperity depends on free and open global trade.

    The reason we've done well the last century is that at first we policed it and then the Americans took over.

    If no-one does then, well, we're in trouble.
    We haven't done well in the last century.
    Don't be silly.
    It would be interesting to get his account of this -


    You do get a notable jump in GDP per capita, after the Black Death, but then, nothing much until towards the end of the 17th century.
    I believe a lot of the upheaval we are seeing around the world is due to that very steep upslope levelling off, because it can't go on accelerating forever; we are in the upper reaches of an s-curve.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 65,446
    IanB2 said:

    Sean_F said:

    O/T but I thought the Ridley Scott depiction of the Battle of Waterloo, was absolutely dire, especially compared to the 1970 film.

    It was only better than the Long Night, in the last season of Game of Thrones, insofar as it was shorter.

    Waterloo (1970), as a film, was bloody brilliant.
    The Ukrainian army, in fancy dress and full splendour
    One of the great films. I rather fancy that is all but forgotten now? Rod Steiger. Chris Plummer.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 76,521
    edited April 18
    THREAD: A federal whistleblower just dropped one of the most disturbing cybersecurity disclosures I’ve ever read.

    He's saying DOGE came in, data went out, and Russians started attempting logins with new valid DOGE passwords

    Media's coverage wasn't detailed enough so I dug into his testimony:..

    https://x.com/mattjay/status/1913023007263543565

    This is the bit that gets me:
    “.. DOGE demanded root access.
    Not auditor access. Not admin.

    They were given “tenant owner” privileges in Azure — full control over the NLRB’s cloud, above the CIO himself.
    This is never supposed to happen…

    .. They disabled the logs.
    Berulis says DOGE demanded account creation with no recordkeeping.

    They even ordered security controls bypassed and disabled tools like network watcher so their actions wouldn’t be logged..”

    It gets worse; read the whole thread.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 51,089

    IanB2 said:

    Sean_F said:

    O/T but I thought the Ridley Scott depiction of the Battle of Waterloo, was absolutely dire, especially compared to the 1970 film.

    It was only better than the Long Night, in the last season of Game of Thrones, insofar as it was shorter.

    Waterloo (1970), as a film, was bloody brilliant.
    The Ukrainian army, in fancy dress and full splendour
    One of the great films. I rather fancy that is all but forgotten now? Rod Steiger. Chris Plummer.
    Available on Amazon Prime for just £3.49, provided you’re not boycotting all American suppliers.
  • FF43FF43 Posts: 17,858
    AnneJGP said:

    Taz said:

    Andy_JS said:

    "Toblerone dark chocolate bar discontinued in the UK"

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cy4v0jy925vo

    The cynic in me expects this will just see a spike in demand !
    I'd not known there was a dark chocolate Toblerone and my reaction to reading about its demise was to wonder what it's like. (Not interested in ordinary Toblerone.)
    The poor quality of the milk chocolate in the standard toblerone surprises me the occasional times I eat it. Somehow I think it should be a bit Swiss.
  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 18,319

    Sean_F said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    CatMan said:

    "Americans are now split on whether Russia is an ‘enemy,’ poll finds"

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2025/04/17/russia-ukraine-trump-poll-enemy/

    "The share of Americans who consider Russia an “enemy” has fallen to its lowest point since it began its full-scale invasion of Ukraine in 2022, according to a poll published Thursday by Pew Research Center. The shift owes largely to evolving views among Republicans amid stark changes in U.S. policy and diplomacy toward Russia and Ukraine under President Donald Trump.

    The survey found the share of Americans who said Russia was an “enemy” had fallen to 50 percent, from 61 percent in April 2024 and 70 percent in March 2022, just after the invasion began.

    The softening in attitudes toward Russia was far sharper among Republican voters, with 40 percent saying Russia was an enemy, down from 58 percent last year and 69 percent in March 2022. Thirty-four percent of Americans overall now describe Russia as a competitor of the United States, while just 9 percent said it was a partner.
    "

    When the USA gets attacked again - and they will (*) - there will not be a coalition of the willing to help them. And this time, more people will just shrug their shoulders and say; "You see, that's what it feels like!"

    (*) They will get attacked, because MAGA still see the USA as the most important world power. As Russia sees itself. And as China sees itself. That will lead to conflicts between them, probably proxy, but maybe worse. Also, to be the most important power, you need to throw your weight around - witness all Trump's Gaza nonsense. And that creates enemies who will want to fight you asymmetrically - as happened on 9/11 and before.
    Russia does not see itself as “the most important world power”. They’re not delusional to that extent

    They know America and China are much stronger and likely always will be

    But they want to be seen as top of the next tier. A truly great power albeit not a superpower. It’s the potential demotion to the third tier - “economy the size of Spain” and all that - that really exercises them
    What Putin wants is the resurrection of the old "spheres of influence" polity. Xi would probably be happy with that, as would the America First zealots.

    The "End of History" as posited by Fukuyama would be well and truly up-ended. As would Western liberal democracy.
    Yes that’s a sharp analysis
    We'd be quite fucked. Our prosperity depends on free and open global trade.

    The reason we've done well the last century is that at first we policed it and then the Americans took over.

    If no-one does then, well, we're in trouble.
    We haven't done well in the last century.
    Don't be silly.
    It would be interesting to get his account of this -


    You do get a notable jump in GDP per capita, after the Black Death, but then, nothing much until towards the end of the 17th century.
    Hmmm… the mad increases of the 20th cent make it hard to see, but


    Or as a log graph (did we learn nothing during The Sickness?)



    Looks like breaks in trend in late 1600s, 1800 or so and 1925.
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 35,290
    edited April 18

    Sean_F said:

    rcs1000 said:

    For what it's worth, I would choose Canada over Australia as a marriage partner for the UK. For a start, the skiing is much better. It's also not such a crazy hassle to get to, and there's far less jet lag.

    Ottawa is nicer than Canberra too, albeit in the same way that syphilis is nicer than herpes.

    Is syphilis nicer than herpes? I thought herpes gives you coldsores but syphilis means you go blind and have to have mercury injected up your willy?
    You truly are living in the 19th century. Fair play.
    I thought it was self-abuse that makes people go blind.
    If I actually consent to my own self-abuse, it's not really abuse, is it?

    #philosophical
    It's an interesting question.

    Is a drug addict self-abusing or not? I would argue yes.

    So the question is are you addicted and, if so, are you truly 'giving consent'?
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 30,096

    Sean_F said:

    rcs1000 said:

    For what it's worth, I would choose Canada over Australia as a marriage partner for the UK. For a start, the skiing is much better. It's also not such a crazy hassle to get to, and there's far less jet lag.

    Ottawa is nicer than Canberra too, albeit in the same way that syphilis is nicer than herpes.

    Is syphilis nicer than herpes? I thought herpes gives you coldsores but syphilis means you go blind and have to have mercury injected up your willy?
    You truly are living in the 19th century. Fair play.
    I thought it was self-abuse that makes people go blind.
    If I actually consent to my own self-abuse, it's not really abuse, is it?

    #philosophical
    Are you the legend at the end of this 2m30s Jimmy Carr clip? (nsfw)
    https://www.youtube.com/shorts/EtShGsrN5qw
  • OmniumOmnium Posts: 11,459

    Sean_F said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    CatMan said:

    "Americans are now split on whether Russia is an ‘enemy,’ poll finds"

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2025/04/17/russia-ukraine-trump-poll-enemy/

    "The share of Americans who consider Russia an “enemy” has fallen to its lowest point since it began its full-scale invasion of Ukraine in 2022, according to a poll published Thursday by Pew Research Center. The shift owes largely to evolving views among Republicans amid stark changes in U.S. policy and diplomacy toward Russia and Ukraine under President Donald Trump.

    The survey found the share of Americans who said Russia was an “enemy” had fallen to 50 percent, from 61 percent in April 2024 and 70 percent in March 2022, just after the invasion began.

    The softening in attitudes toward Russia was far sharper among Republican voters, with 40 percent saying Russia was an enemy, down from 58 percent last year and 69 percent in March 2022. Thirty-four percent of Americans overall now describe Russia as a competitor of the United States, while just 9 percent said it was a partner.
    "

    When the USA gets attacked again - and they will (*) - there will not be a coalition of the willing to help them. And this time, more people will just shrug their shoulders and say; "You see, that's what it feels like!"

    (*) They will get attacked, because MAGA still see the USA as the most important world power. As Russia sees itself. And as China sees itself. That will lead to conflicts between them, probably proxy, but maybe worse. Also, to be the most important power, you need to throw your weight around - witness all Trump's Gaza nonsense. And that creates enemies who will want to fight you asymmetrically - as happened on 9/11 and before.
    Russia does not see itself as “the most important world power”. They’re not delusional to that extent

    They know America and China are much stronger and likely always will be

    But they want to be seen as top of the next tier. A truly great power albeit not a superpower. It’s the potential demotion to the third tier - “economy the size of Spain” and all that - that really exercises them
    What Putin wants is the resurrection of the old "spheres of influence" polity. Xi would probably be happy with that, as would the America First zealots.

    The "End of History" as posited by Fukuyama would be well and truly up-ended. As would Western liberal democracy.
    Yes that’s a sharp analysis
    We'd be quite fucked. Our prosperity depends on free and open global trade.

    The reason we've done well the last century is that at first we policed it and then the Americans took over.

    If no-one does then, well, we're in trouble.
    We haven't done well in the last century.
    Don't be silly.
    It would be interesting to get his account of this -


    You do get a notable jump in GDP per capita, after the Black Death, but then, nothing much until towards the end of the 17th century.
    Hmmm… the mad increases of the 20th cent make it hard to see, but


    Or as a log graph (did we learn nothing during The Sickness?)



    Looks like breaks in trend in late 1600s, 1800 or so and 1925.
    Is this graph inflation adjusted?
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 30,751

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    CatMan said:

    "Americans are now split on whether Russia is an ‘enemy,’ poll finds"

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2025/04/17/russia-ukraine-trump-poll-enemy/

    "The share of Americans who consider Russia an “enemy” has fallen to its lowest point since it began its full-scale invasion of Ukraine in 2022, according to a poll published Thursday by Pew Research Center. The shift owes largely to evolving views among Republicans amid stark changes in U.S. policy and diplomacy toward Russia and Ukraine under President Donald Trump.

    The survey found the share of Americans who said Russia was an “enemy” had fallen to 50 percent, from 61 percent in April 2024 and 70 percent in March 2022, just after the invasion began.

    The softening in attitudes toward Russia was far sharper among Republican voters, with 40 percent saying Russia was an enemy, down from 58 percent last year and 69 percent in March 2022. Thirty-four percent of Americans overall now describe Russia as a competitor of the United States, while just 9 percent said it was a partner.
    "

    When the USA gets attacked again - and they will (*) - there will not be a coalition of the willing to help them. And this time, more people will just shrug their shoulders and say; "You see, that's what it feels like!"

    (*) They will get attacked, because MAGA still see the USA as the most important world power. As Russia sees itself. And as China sees itself. That will lead to conflicts between them, probably proxy, but maybe worse. Also, to be the most important power, you need to throw your weight around - witness all Trump's Gaza nonsense. And that creates enemies who will want to fight you asymmetrically - as happened on 9/11 and before.
    Russia does not see itself as “the most important world power”. They’re not delusional to that extent

    They know America and China are much stronger and likely always will be

    But they want to be seen as top of the next tier. A truly great power albeit not a superpower. It’s the potential demotion to the third tier - “economy the size of Spain” and all that - that really exercises them
    What Putin wants is the resurrection of the old "spheres of influence" polity. Xi would probably be happy with that, as would the America First zealots.

    The "End of History" as posited by Fukuyama would be well and truly up-ended. As would Western liberal democracy.
    Yes that’s a sharp analysis
    We'd be quite fucked. Our prosperity depends on free and open global trade.

    The reason we've done well the last century is that at first we policed it and then the Americans took over.

    If no-one does then, well, we're in trouble.
    We haven't done well in the last century.
    Don't be silly.
    Since 1925, we have gone from being probably the world's second wealthiest and most powerful country, to being the sick man of Europe (again). Don't get me wrong, I have every faith in our country that we can bounce back, but we've had a century of almost constant decline. Doing well is the situation improving, or at least staying the same.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 59,654
    edited April 18
    IanB2 said:

    rcs1000 said:

    For what it's worth, I would choose Canada over Australia as a marriage partner for the UK. For a start, the skiing is much better. It's also not such a crazy hassle to get to, and there's far less jet lag.

    Ottawa is nicer than Canberra too, albeit in the same way that syphilis is nicer than herpes.

    Is syphilis nicer than herpes? I thought herpes gives you coldsores but syphilis means you go blind and have to have mercury injected up your willy?

    Probably one of the tiny number of subjects about which our Leon has some relevant expertise to offer…
    I have indeed had herpes. Not nice

    However you can’t get it from dogs - even if you rape them - so you’re probably OK
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 76,521
    Nigelb said:

    THREAD: A federal whistleblower just dropped one of the most disturbing cybersecurity disclosures I’ve ever read.

    He's saying DOGE came in, data went out, and Russians started attempting logins with new valid DOGE passwords

    Media's coverage wasn't detailed enough so I dug into his testimony:..

    https://x.com/mattjay/status/1913023007263543565

    This is the bit that gets me:
    “.. DOGE demanded root access.
    Not auditor access. Not admin.

    They were given “tenant owner” privileges in Azure — full control over the NLRB’s cloud, above the CIO himself.
    This is never supposed to happen…

    .. They disabled the logs.
    Berulis says DOGE demanded account creation with no recordkeeping.

    They even ordered security controls bypassed and disabled tools like network watcher so their actions wouldn’t be logged..”

    It gets worse; read the whole thread.

    And the whistleblower …
    While preparing this disclosure, Berulis found a drone surveillance photo of himself taped to his front door with a threatening note.
  • TazTaz Posts: 17,536
    AnneJGP said:

    Taz said:

    Andy_JS said:

    "Toblerone dark chocolate bar discontinued in the UK"

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cy4v0jy925vo

    The cynic in me expects this will just see a spike in demand !
    I'd not known there was a dark chocolate Toblerone and my reaction to reading about its demise was to wonder what it's like. (Not interested in ordinary Toblerone.)
    It’s alright, I’ve had it when people brought it in at work from holiday. White, dark and plain.

    Wouldn’t go out of my way to buy it but when it’s free I’ll give it a go.
  • TazTaz Posts: 17,536

    Sean_F said:

    rcs1000 said:

    For what it's worth, I would choose Canada over Australia as a marriage partner for the UK. For a start, the skiing is much better. It's also not such a crazy hassle to get to, and there's far less jet lag.

    Ottawa is nicer than Canberra too, albeit in the same way that syphilis is nicer than herpes.

    Is syphilis nicer than herpes? I thought herpes gives you coldsores but syphilis means you go blind and have to have mercury injected up your willy?
    You truly are living in the 19th century. Fair play.
    I thought it was self-abuse that makes people go blind.
    If I actually consent to my own self-abuse, it's not really abuse, is it?

    #philosophical

    Sean_F said:

    rcs1000 said:

    For what it's worth, I would choose Canada over Australia as a marriage partner for the UK. For a start, the skiing is much better. It's also not such a crazy hassle to get to, and there's far less jet lag.

    Ottawa is nicer than Canberra too, albeit in the same way that syphilis is nicer than herpes.

    Is syphilis nicer than herpes? I thought herpes gives you coldsores but syphilis means you go blind and have to have mercury injected up your willy?
    You truly are living in the 19th century. Fair play.
    I thought it was self-abuse that makes people go blind.
    If I actually consent to my own self-abuse, it's not really abuse, is it?

    #philosophical
    It may be

    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/masochists-win-right-to-appeal-over-convictions-1568640.html
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 54,133

    IanB2 said:

    Sean_F said:

    O/T but I thought the Ridley Scott depiction of the Battle of Waterloo, was absolutely dire, especially compared to the 1970 film.

    It was only better than the Long Night, in the last season of Game of Thrones, insofar as it was shorter.

    Waterloo (1970), as a film, was bloody brilliant.
    The Ukrainian army, in fancy dress and full splendour
    One of the great films. I rather fancy that is all but forgotten now? Rod Steiger. Chris Plummer.
    No - often re-shown. If you are vaguely interested in the history, it has some magnificent moments.

    The charge of the Scots Greys was carefully staged to match the famous painting, for example.
    Plummer as Wellington and Steiger as Napoleon
  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 18,319
    Omnium said:

    Sean_F said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    CatMan said:

    "Americans are now split on whether Russia is an ‘enemy,’ poll finds"

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2025/04/17/russia-ukraine-trump-poll-enemy/

    "The share of Americans who consider Russia an “enemy” has fallen to its lowest point since it began its full-scale invasion of Ukraine in 2022, according to a poll published Thursday by Pew Research Center. The shift owes largely to evolving views among Republicans amid stark changes in U.S. policy and diplomacy toward Russia and Ukraine under President Donald Trump.

    The survey found the share of Americans who said Russia was an “enemy” had fallen to 50 percent, from 61 percent in April 2024 and 70 percent in March 2022, just after the invasion began.

    The softening in attitudes toward Russia was far sharper among Republican voters, with 40 percent saying Russia was an enemy, down from 58 percent last year and 69 percent in March 2022. Thirty-four percent of Americans overall now describe Russia as a competitor of the United States, while just 9 percent said it was a partner.
    "

    When the USA gets attacked again - and they will (*) - there will not be a coalition of the willing to help them. And this time, more people will just shrug their shoulders and say; "You see, that's what it feels like!"

    (*) They will get attacked, because MAGA still see the USA as the most important world power. As Russia sees itself. And as China sees itself. That will lead to conflicts between them, probably proxy, but maybe worse. Also, to be the most important power, you need to throw your weight around - witness all Trump's Gaza nonsense. And that creates enemies who will want to fight you asymmetrically - as happened on 9/11 and before.
    Russia does not see itself as “the most important world power”. They’re not delusional to that extent

    They know America and China are much stronger and likely always will be

    But they want to be seen as top of the next tier. A truly great power albeit not a superpower. It’s the potential demotion to the third tier - “economy the size of Spain” and all that - that really exercises them
    What Putin wants is the resurrection of the old "spheres of influence" polity. Xi would probably be happy with that, as would the America First zealots.

    The "End of History" as posited by Fukuyama would be well and truly up-ended. As would Western liberal democracy.
    Yes that’s a sharp analysis
    We'd be quite fucked. Our prosperity depends on free and open global trade.

    The reason we've done well the last century is that at first we policed it and then the Americans took over.

    If no-one does then, well, we're in trouble.
    We haven't done well in the last century.
    Don't be silly.
    It would be interesting to get his account of this -


    You do get a notable jump in GDP per capita, after the Black Death, but then, nothing much until towards the end of the 17th century.
    Hmmm… the mad increases of the 20th cent make it hard to see, but


    Or as a log graph (did we learn nothing during The Sickness?)



    Looks like breaks in trend in late 1600s, 1800 or so and 1925.
    Is this graph inflation adjusted?
    Claims to be, though flip knows how they establish that.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 65,446
    PB lawyers: I'm curious, does the US have a similar legal set of rules about prejudicing a trial so that politicians have to be careful what they say about a case?
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 65,446
    Trump: the price of eggs is, if anything, getting too low.



    Eggs are so expensive that some Americans are decorating potatoes this Easter
    https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/easter-eggs-u-s-1.7510497

  • DM_AndyDM_Andy Posts: 1,172
    Taz said:

    Sean_F said:

    rcs1000 said:

    For what it's worth, I would choose Canada over Australia as a marriage partner for the UK. For a start, the skiing is much better. It's also not such a crazy hassle to get to, and there's far less jet lag.

    Ottawa is nicer than Canberra too, albeit in the same way that syphilis is nicer than herpes.

    Is syphilis nicer than herpes? I thought herpes gives you coldsores but syphilis means you go blind and have to have mercury injected up your willy?
    You truly are living in the 19th century. Fair play.
    I thought it was self-abuse that makes people go blind.
    If I actually consent to my own self-abuse, it's not really abuse, is it?

    #philosophical

    Sean_F said:

    rcs1000 said:

    For what it's worth, I would choose Canada over Australia as a marriage partner for the UK. For a start, the skiing is much better. It's also not such a crazy hassle to get to, and there's far less jet lag.

    Ottawa is nicer than Canberra too, albeit in the same way that syphilis is nicer than herpes.

    Is syphilis nicer than herpes? I thought herpes gives you coldsores but syphilis means you go blind and have to have mercury injected up your willy?
    You truly are living in the 19th century. Fair play.
    I thought it was self-abuse that makes people go blind.
    If I actually consent to my own self-abuse, it's not really abuse, is it?

    #philosophical
    It may be

    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/masochists-win-right-to-appeal-over-convictions-1568640.html
    The ECHR rejected their appeals and it's still the case that you cannot consent to serious harm. You might then say what about boxing but in boxing serious harm isn't the intent, but a potential side-effect of being punched.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 44,719
    AnneJGP said:

    Taz said:

    Andy_JS said:

    "Toblerone dark chocolate bar discontinued in the UK"

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cy4v0jy925vo

    The cynic in me expects this will just see a spike in demand !
    I'd not known there was a dark chocolate Toblerone and my reaction to reading about its demise was to wonder what it's like. (Not interested in ordinary Toblerone.)
    Same here. Dark Toblerone is leaving before I had a chance to say hello. Feel sad.
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 35,290
    stodge said:

    Sean_F said:

    O/T but I thought the Ridley Scott depiction of the Battle of Waterloo, was absolutely dire, especially compared to the 1970 film.

    It was only better than the Long Night, in the last season of Game of Thrones, insofar as it was shorter.

    Waterloo (1970), as a film, was bloody brilliant.
    It's rare we agree on anything but I'm 100% with you on this. Rod Steiger and Christopher Plummer are brilliant as the main protagonists but the star for me is Dan O'Herlihy as Ney. That scene at the end of the battle "do you know who I am? I'm Ney, Marshal of France". Also good to see Charlie Hungerford getting a part (well, until his leg got blown off).
    ...at which point he presumably had two parts.
  • algarkirkalgarkirk Posts: 13,983

    Sean_F said:

    rcs1000 said:

    For what it's worth, I would choose Canada over Australia as a marriage partner for the UK. For a start, the skiing is much better. It's also not such a crazy hassle to get to, and there's far less jet lag.

    Ottawa is nicer than Canberra too, albeit in the same way that syphilis is nicer than herpes.

    Is syphilis nicer than herpes? I thought herpes gives you coldsores but syphilis means you go blind and have to have mercury injected up your willy?
    You truly are living in the 19th century. Fair play.
    I thought it was self-abuse that makes people go blind.
    If I actually consent to my own self-abuse, it's not really abuse, is it?

    #philosophical
    It's an interesting question.

    Is a drug addict self-abusing or not? I would argue yes.

    So the question is are you addicted and, if so, are you truly 'giving consent'?
    FWIW answers variable depend ultimately on whether you belong to the Aristotelian tradition which assumes there are proper and improper, good and ungood functions or uses of and for the human, just as there are well and less well functioning wheelbarrows, and uses wheelbarrows, and humans, should be good at and things they aren't.

    Or whether you belong to the fascinating traditions of Hume and friends who think this is all nonsense. As nearly always I am with Aristotle.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 76,521
    edited April 18

    stodge said:

    Sean_F said:

    O/T but I thought the Ridley Scott depiction of the Battle of Waterloo, was absolutely dire, especially compared to the 1970 film.

    It was only better than the Long Night, in the last season of Game of Thrones, insofar as it was shorter.

    Waterloo (1970), as a film, was bloody brilliant.
    It's rare we agree on anything but I'm 100% with you on this. Rod Steiger and Christopher Plummer are brilliant as the main protagonists but the star for me is Dan O'Herlihy as Ney. That scene at the end of the battle "do you know who I am? I'm Ney, Marshal of France". Also good to see Charlie Hungerford getting a part (well, until his leg got blown off).
    ...at which point he presumably had two parts.
    "By God, sir, I've lost my leg!"
    "By God, sir, so you have!"

    Careless family by all accounts:
    “Uxbridge's close family lost several limbs during the Napoleonic Wars..”
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 54,133

    Omnium said:

    Sean_F said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    CatMan said:

    "Americans are now split on whether Russia is an ‘enemy,’ poll finds"

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2025/04/17/russia-ukraine-trump-poll-enemy/

    "The share of Americans who consider Russia an “enemy” has fallen to its lowest point since it began its full-scale invasion of Ukraine in 2022, according to a poll published Thursday by Pew Research Center. The shift owes largely to evolving views among Republicans amid stark changes in U.S. policy and diplomacy toward Russia and Ukraine under President Donald Trump.

    The survey found the share of Americans who said Russia was an “enemy” had fallen to 50 percent, from 61 percent in April 2024 and 70 percent in March 2022, just after the invasion began.

    The softening in attitudes toward Russia was far sharper among Republican voters, with 40 percent saying Russia was an enemy, down from 58 percent last year and 69 percent in March 2022. Thirty-four percent of Americans overall now describe Russia as a competitor of the United States, while just 9 percent said it was a partner.
    "

    When the USA gets attacked again - and they will (*) - there will not be a coalition of the willing to help them. And this time, more people will just shrug their shoulders and say; "You see, that's what it feels like!"

    (*) They will get attacked, because MAGA still see the USA as the most important world power. As Russia sees itself. And as China sees itself. That will lead to conflicts between them, probably proxy, but maybe worse. Also, to be the most important power, you need to throw your weight around - witness all Trump's Gaza nonsense. And that creates enemies who will want to fight you asymmetrically - as happened on 9/11 and before.
    Russia does not see itself as “the most important world power”. They’re not delusional to that extent

    They know America and China are much stronger and likely always will be

    But they want to be seen as top of the next tier. A truly great power albeit not a superpower. It’s the potential demotion to the third tier - “economy the size of Spain” and all that - that really exercises them
    What Putin wants is the resurrection of the old "spheres of influence" polity. Xi would probably be happy with that, as would the America First zealots.

    The "End of History" as posited by Fukuyama would be well and truly up-ended. As would Western liberal democracy.
    Yes that’s a sharp analysis
    We'd be quite fucked. Our prosperity depends on free and open global trade.

    The reason we've done well the last century is that at first we policed it and then the Americans took over.

    If no-one does then, well, we're in trouble.
    We haven't done well in the last century.
    Don't be silly.
    It would be interesting to get his account of this -


    You do get a notable jump in GDP per capita, after the Black Death, but then, nothing much until towards the end of the 17th century.
    Hmmm… the mad increases of the 20th cent make it hard to see, but


    Or as a log graph (did we learn nothing during The Sickness?)



    Looks like breaks in trend in late 1600s, 1800 or so and 1925.
    Is this graph inflation adjusted?
    Claims to be, though flip knows how they establish that.
    Adjusted to 2013 pounds equivalent, apparently.

    The underlying data is from the Bank of England, from this project

    https://www.nuffield.ox.ac.uk/our-research/selected-projects/macroeconomic-data/
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 54,133

    Omnium said:

    Sean_F said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    CatMan said:

    "Americans are now split on whether Russia is an ‘enemy,’ poll finds"

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2025/04/17/russia-ukraine-trump-poll-enemy/

    "The share of Americans who consider Russia an “enemy” has fallen to its lowest point since it began its full-scale invasion of Ukraine in 2022, according to a poll published Thursday by Pew Research Center. The shift owes largely to evolving views among Republicans amid stark changes in U.S. policy and diplomacy toward Russia and Ukraine under President Donald Trump.

    The survey found the share of Americans who said Russia was an “enemy” had fallen to 50 percent, from 61 percent in April 2024 and 70 percent in March 2022, just after the invasion began.

    The softening in attitudes toward Russia was far sharper among Republican voters, with 40 percent saying Russia was an enemy, down from 58 percent last year and 69 percent in March 2022. Thirty-four percent of Americans overall now describe Russia as a competitor of the United States, while just 9 percent said it was a partner.
    "

    When the USA gets attacked again - and they will (*) - there will not be a coalition of the willing to help them. And this time, more people will just shrug their shoulders and say; "You see, that's what it feels like!"

    (*) They will get attacked, because MAGA still see the USA as the most important world power. As Russia sees itself. And as China sees itself. That will lead to conflicts between them, probably proxy, but maybe worse. Also, to be the most important power, you need to throw your weight around - witness all Trump's Gaza nonsense. And that creates enemies who will want to fight you asymmetrically - as happened on 9/11 and before.
    Russia does not see itself as “the most important world power”. They’re not delusional to that extent

    They know America and China are much stronger and likely always will be

    But they want to be seen as top of the next tier. A truly great power albeit not a superpower. It’s the potential demotion to the third tier - “economy the size of Spain” and all that - that really exercises them
    What Putin wants is the resurrection of the old "spheres of influence" polity. Xi would probably be happy with that, as would the America First zealots.

    The "End of History" as posited by Fukuyama would be well and truly up-ended. As would Western liberal democracy.
    Yes that’s a sharp analysis
    We'd be quite fucked. Our prosperity depends on free and open global trade.

    The reason we've done well the last century is that at first we policed it and then the Americans took over.

    If no-one does then, well, we're in trouble.
    We haven't done well in the last century.
    Don't be silly.
    It would be interesting to get his account of this -


    You do get a notable jump in GDP per capita, after the Black Death, but then, nothing much until towards the end of the 17th century.
    Hmmm… the mad increases of the 20th cent make it hard to see, but


    Or as a log graph (did we learn nothing during The Sickness?)



    Looks like breaks in trend in late 1600s, 1800 or so and 1925.
    Is this graph inflation adjusted?
    Claims to be, though flip knows how they establish that.
    Adjusted to 2013 pounds equivalent, apparently.

    The underlying data is from the Bank of England, from this project

    https://www.nuffield.ox.ac.uk/our-research/selected-projects/macroeconomic-data/
  • algarkirkalgarkirk Posts: 13,983

    Sean_F said:

    rcs1000 said:

    For what it's worth, I would choose Canada over Australia as a marriage partner for the UK. For a start, the skiing is much better. It's also not such a crazy hassle to get to, and there's far less jet lag.

    Ottawa is nicer than Canberra too, albeit in the same way that syphilis is nicer than herpes.

    Is syphilis nicer than herpes? I thought herpes gives you coldsores but syphilis means you go blind and have to have mercury injected up your willy?
    You truly are living in the 19th century. Fair play.
    I thought it was self-abuse that makes people go blind.
    If I actually consent to my own self-abuse, it's not really abuse, is it?

    #philosophical
    It's an interesting question.

    Is a drug addict self-abusing or not? I would argue yes.

    So the question is are you addicted and, if so, are you truly 'giving consent'?
    Consent involves more than the immediacy of any one particular moment. It's quite possible to get into the state in which you cannot give or withold a consent for something, but often (not always of course) this entails a process of previous consents in which you have knowingly made decisions which ended in that final state of being unable to consent. This can take an evening in the pub, or can take 20 years of unremitting effort. Which is why 'I was so drunk when I raped her that I was not in control of my consenting so am not culpable' is often regarded as an incomplete exculpation. (IMO it makes it worse).
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 26,518
    On topic. I assume this has been done, but if not:

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/apr/18/ruling-on-woman-definition-at-odds-with-uk-equality-acts-aim-says-ex-civil-servant

    Melanie Field, who oversaw its drafting and passage through Westminster in 2010, said the legislation was meant to give transgender people with gender recognition certificates (GRCs) the same legal status as biological men or women.

    This has the potential to blow up spectacularly and could be very dangerous for Starmer. Keep a close eye on Creasy.
  • TazTaz Posts: 17,536
    DM_Andy said:

    Taz said:

    Sean_F said:

    rcs1000 said:

    For what it's worth, I would choose Canada over Australia as a marriage partner for the UK. For a start, the skiing is much better. It's also not such a crazy hassle to get to, and there's far less jet lag.

    Ottawa is nicer than Canberra too, albeit in the same way that syphilis is nicer than herpes.

    Is syphilis nicer than herpes? I thought herpes gives you coldsores but syphilis means you go blind and have to have mercury injected up your willy?
    You truly are living in the 19th century. Fair play.
    I thought it was self-abuse that makes people go blind.
    If I actually consent to my own self-abuse, it's not really abuse, is it?

    #philosophical

    Sean_F said:

    rcs1000 said:

    For what it's worth, I would choose Canada over Australia as a marriage partner for the UK. For a start, the skiing is much better. It's also not such a crazy hassle to get to, and there's far less jet lag.

    Ottawa is nicer than Canberra too, albeit in the same way that syphilis is nicer than herpes.

    Is syphilis nicer than herpes? I thought herpes gives you coldsores but syphilis means you go blind and have to have mercury injected up your willy?
    You truly are living in the 19th century. Fair play.
    I thought it was self-abuse that makes people go blind.
    If I actually consent to my own self-abuse, it's not really abuse, is it?

    #philosophical
    It may be

    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/masochists-win-right-to-appeal-over-convictions-1568640.html
    The ECHR rejected their appeals and it's still the case that you cannot consent to serious harm. You might then say what about boxing but in boxing serious harm isn't the intent, but a potential side-effect of being punched.
    Like the guy who branded his initials on his wife’s chubby, flabby, mottled white butt at her demand and he was prosecuted and found guilty of ABH.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 54,133
    Nigelb said:

    stodge said:

    Sean_F said:

    O/T but I thought the Ridley Scott depiction of the Battle of Waterloo, was absolutely dire, especially compared to the 1970 film.

    It was only better than the Long Night, in the last season of Game of Thrones, insofar as it was shorter.

    Waterloo (1970), as a film, was bloody brilliant.
    It's rare we agree on anything but I'm 100% with you on this. Rod Steiger and Christopher Plummer are brilliant as the main protagonists but the star for me is Dan O'Herlihy as Ney. That scene at the end of the battle "do you know who I am? I'm Ney, Marshal of France". Also good to see Charlie Hungerford getting a part (well, until his leg got blown off).
    ...at which point he presumably had two parts.
    "By God, sir, I've lost my leg!"
    "By God, sir, so you have!"

    Careless family by all accounts:
    “Uxbridge's close family lost several limbs during the Napoleonic Wars..”
    Sarah: General Picton doesn't know how to walk in a ballroom.
    Duke of Wellington: But he is very good when he is dancing with the French.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 65,446

    IanB2 said:

    Sean_F said:

    O/T but I thought the Ridley Scott depiction of the Battle of Waterloo, was absolutely dire, especially compared to the 1970 film.

    It was only better than the Long Night, in the last season of Game of Thrones, insofar as it was shorter.

    Waterloo (1970), as a film, was bloody brilliant.
    The Ukrainian army, in fancy dress and full splendour
    One of the great films. I rather fancy that is all but forgotten now? Rod Steiger. Chris Plummer.
    No - often re-shown. If you are vaguely interested in the history, it has some magnificent moments.

    The charge of the Scots Greys was carefully staged to match the famous painting, for example.
    Plummer as Wellington and Steiger as Napoleon
    Fantastic painting.

    As a teenager I was rather fascinated by a book at the local library about Waterloo which had the painting included and many others. Wish I could recall its name. I took it out on loan several times.

    I think I may be a nerd.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 59,654
    edited April 18
    kinabalu said:

    AnneJGP said:

    Taz said:

    Andy_JS said:

    "Toblerone dark chocolate bar discontinued in the UK"

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cy4v0jy925vo

    The cynic in me expects this will just see a spike in demand !
    I'd not known there was a dark chocolate Toblerone and my reaction to reading about its demise was to wonder what it's like. (Not interested in ordinary Toblerone.)
    Same here. Dark Toblerone is leaving before I had a chance to say hello. Feel sad.
    You’re not missing much. It’s probably worse than the milk version (which is actually ok if all you want is a hit of mild chocolate sweetness - but the nougat gets in your teeth)

    I’m eating 85% cacao Lindt right now. Pretends to be posh chocolate but it’s too bitter and lacks the crucial sensuality

    The best mass produced chocolate you can get most places is Ritter dark milk with hazelnuts
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 59,283
    Nigelb said:

    THREAD: A federal whistleblower just dropped one of the most disturbing cybersecurity disclosures I’ve ever read.

    He's saying DOGE came in, data went out, and Russians started attempting logins with new valid DOGE passwords

    Media's coverage wasn't detailed enough so I dug into his testimony:..

    https://x.com/mattjay/status/1913023007263543565

    This is the bit that gets me:
    “.. DOGE demanded root access.
    Not auditor access. Not admin.

    They were given “tenant owner” privileges in Azure — full control over the NLRB’s cloud, above the CIO himself.
    This is never supposed to happen…

    .. They disabled the logs.
    Berulis says DOGE demanded account creation with no recordkeeping.

    They even ordered security controls bypassed and disabled tools like network watcher so their actions wouldn’t be logged..”

    It gets worse; read the whole thread.

    If that's true, that is absolutely extraordinary.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 31,202

    You can stick a fork the Baggies now, we're done.

    I like Mowbray, but his time was 15 years ago. What were they thinking?
  • TazTaz Posts: 17,536
    tlg86 said:

    On topic. I assume this has been done, but if not:

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/apr/18/ruling-on-woman-definition-at-odds-with-uk-equality-acts-aim-says-ex-civil-servant

    Melanie Field, who oversaw its drafting and passage through Westminster in 2010, said the legislation was meant to give transgender people with gender recognition certificates (GRCs) the same legal status as biological men or women.

    This has the potential to blow up spectacularly and could be very dangerous for Starmer. Keep a close eye on Creasy.

    Does it ?

    She may say that was the intent of the law but that’s not how the Supreme Court has seen it so perhaps she should have done a better job if that was the intent.

    Creasy is a nobody.
  • algarkirkalgarkirk Posts: 13,983
    tlg86 said:

    On topic. I assume this has been done, but if not:

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/apr/18/ruling-on-woman-definition-at-odds-with-uk-equality-acts-aim-says-ex-civil-servant

    Melanie Field, who oversaw its drafting and passage through Westminster in 2010, said the legislation was meant to give transgender people with gender recognition certificates (GRCs) the same legal status as biological men or women.

    This has the potential to blow up spectacularly and could be very dangerous for Starmer. Keep a close eye on Creasy.

    This may be so. Wait and see. It needs a detailed scrutiny of Hansard, and what was said in parliament/committee at the time. The SC can have its attention drawn to all this by the parties if they wish, and can take account of it, though parliamentary discussion can't simply override the meaning of the act itself.

    When an act intends something very specific and detailed and which is not 100% obvious (the officious bystander test!) it usually says so.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 76,521
    rcs1000 said:

    Nigelb said:

    THREAD: A federal whistleblower just dropped one of the most disturbing cybersecurity disclosures I’ve ever read.

    He's saying DOGE came in, data went out, and Russians started attempting logins with new valid DOGE passwords

    Media's coverage wasn't detailed enough so I dug into his testimony:..

    https://x.com/mattjay/status/1913023007263543565

    This is the bit that gets me:
    “.. DOGE demanded root access.
    Not auditor access. Not admin.

    They were given “tenant owner” privileges in Azure — full control over the NLRB’s cloud, above the CIO himself.
    This is never supposed to happen…

    .. They disabled the logs.
    Berulis says DOGE demanded account creation with no recordkeeping.

    They even ordered security controls bypassed and disabled tools like network watcher so their actions wouldn’t be logged..”

    It gets worse; read the whole thread.

    If that's true, that is absolutely extraordinary.
    There's and NPR report here:
    https://www.npr.org/2025/04/15/nx-s1-5355896/doge-nlrb-elon-musk-spacex-security

    It appears to be credible. There was to be an investigation, but it was halted on instructions from above.
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 30,751
    Leon said:

    kinabalu said:

    AnneJGP said:

    Taz said:

    Andy_JS said:

    "Toblerone dark chocolate bar discontinued in the UK"

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cy4v0jy925vo

    The cynic in me expects this will just see a spike in demand !
    I'd not known there was a dark chocolate Toblerone and my reaction to reading about its demise was to wonder what it's like. (Not interested in ordinary Toblerone.)
    Same here. Dark Toblerone is leaving before I had a chance to say hello. Feel sad.
    You’re not missing much. It’s probably worse than the milk version (which is actually ok if all you want is a hit of mild chocolate sweetness - but the nougat gets in your teeth)

    I’m eating 85% cacao Lindt right now. Pretends to be posh chocolate but it’s too bitter and lacks the crucial sensuality

    The best mass produced chocolate you can get most places is Ritter dark milk with hazelnuts
    85 is a bit too much. In the 70s is (for me) plenty strong enough for very good chocolate.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 54,133
    Taz said:

    tlg86 said:

    On topic. I assume this has been done, but if not:

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/apr/18/ruling-on-woman-definition-at-odds-with-uk-equality-acts-aim-says-ex-civil-servant

    Melanie Field, who oversaw its drafting and passage through Westminster in 2010, said the legislation was meant to give transgender people with gender recognition certificates (GRCs) the same legal status as biological men or women.

    This has the potential to blow up spectacularly and could be very dangerous for Starmer. Keep a close eye on Creasy.

    Does it ?

    She may say that was the intent of the law but that’s not how the Supreme Court has seen it so perhaps she should have done a better job if that was the intent.

    Creasy is a nobody.
    Melanie Field is saying that she forgot to write the intent of the law into the actual, written law.

    What other laws did she oversea drafting of?
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 54,483
    rcs1000 said:

    Nigelb said:

    THREAD: A federal whistleblower just dropped one of the most disturbing cybersecurity disclosures I’ve ever read.

    He's saying DOGE came in, data went out, and Russians started attempting logins with new valid DOGE passwords

    Media's coverage wasn't detailed enough so I dug into his testimony:..

    https://x.com/mattjay/status/1913023007263543565

    This is the bit that gets me:
    “.. DOGE demanded root access.
    Not auditor access. Not admin.

    They were given “tenant owner” privileges in Azure — full control over the NLRB’s cloud, above the CIO himself.
    This is never supposed to happen…

    .. They disabled the logs.
    Berulis says DOGE demanded account creation with no recordkeeping.

    They even ordered security controls bypassed and disabled tools like network watcher so their actions wouldn’t be logged..”

    It gets worse; read the whole thread.

    If that's true, that is absolutely extraordinary.
    The spped of the collapse of the US government into anarchic kleptocracy is remarkable.

    It must have been well planned.
  • BarnesianBarnesian Posts: 9,072
    DM_Andy said:

    Taz said:

    Sean_F said:

    rcs1000 said:

    For what it's worth, I would choose Canada over Australia as a marriage partner for the UK. For a start, the skiing is much better. It's also not such a crazy hassle to get to, and there's far less jet lag.

    Ottawa is nicer than Canberra too, albeit in the same way that syphilis is nicer than herpes.

    Is syphilis nicer than herpes? I thought herpes gives you coldsores but syphilis means you go blind and have to have mercury injected up your willy?
    You truly are living in the 19th century. Fair play.
    I thought it was self-abuse that makes people go blind.
    If I actually consent to my own self-abuse, it's not really abuse, is it?

    #philosophical

    Sean_F said:

    rcs1000 said:

    For what it's worth, I would choose Canada over Australia as a marriage partner for the UK. For a start, the skiing is much better. It's also not such a crazy hassle to get to, and there's far less jet lag.

    Ottawa is nicer than Canberra too, albeit in the same way that syphilis is nicer than herpes.

    Is syphilis nicer than herpes? I thought herpes gives you coldsores but syphilis means you go blind and have to have mercury injected up your willy?
    You truly are living in the 19th century. Fair play.
    I thought it was self-abuse that makes people go blind.
    If I actually consent to my own self-abuse, it's not really abuse, is it?

    #philosophical
    It may be

    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/masochists-win-right-to-appeal-over-convictions-1568640.html
    The ECHR rejected their appeals and it's still the case that you cannot consent to serious harm. You might then say what about boxing but in boxing serious harm isn't the intent, but a potential side-effect of being punched.
    Is assisted dying serious harm?
  • TazTaz Posts: 17,536
    Barnesian said:

    DM_Andy said:

    Taz said:

    Sean_F said:

    rcs1000 said:

    For what it's worth, I would choose Canada over Australia as a marriage partner for the UK. For a start, the skiing is much better. It's also not such a crazy hassle to get to, and there's far less jet lag.

    Ottawa is nicer than Canberra too, albeit in the same way that syphilis is nicer than herpes.

    Is syphilis nicer than herpes? I thought herpes gives you coldsores but syphilis means you go blind and have to have mercury injected up your willy?
    You truly are living in the 19th century. Fair play.
    I thought it was self-abuse that makes people go blind.
    If I actually consent to my own self-abuse, it's not really abuse, is it?

    #philosophical

    Sean_F said:

    rcs1000 said:

    For what it's worth, I would choose Canada over Australia as a marriage partner for the UK. For a start, the skiing is much better. It's also not such a crazy hassle to get to, and there's far less jet lag.

    Ottawa is nicer than Canberra too, albeit in the same way that syphilis is nicer than herpes.

    Is syphilis nicer than herpes? I thought herpes gives you coldsores but syphilis means you go blind and have to have mercury injected up your willy?
    You truly are living in the 19th century. Fair play.
    I thought it was self-abuse that makes people go blind.
    If I actually consent to my own self-abuse, it's not really abuse, is it?

    #philosophical
    It may be

    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/masochists-win-right-to-appeal-over-convictions-1568640.html
    The ECHR rejected their appeals and it's still the case that you cannot consent to serious harm. You might then say what about boxing but in boxing serious harm isn't the intent, but a potential side-effect of being punched.
    Is assisted dying serious harm?
    In the case of Harold Shipman it certainly was
  • LeonLeon Posts: 59,654

    Leon said:

    kinabalu said:

    AnneJGP said:

    Taz said:

    Andy_JS said:

    "Toblerone dark chocolate bar discontinued in the UK"

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cy4v0jy925vo

    The cynic in me expects this will just see a spike in demand !
    I'd not known there was a dark chocolate Toblerone and my reaction to reading about its demise was to wonder what it's like. (Not interested in ordinary Toblerone.)
    Same here. Dark Toblerone is leaving before I had a chance to say hello. Feel sad.
    You’re not missing much. It’s probably worse than the milk version (which is actually ok if all you want is a hit of mild chocolate sweetness - but the nougat gets in your teeth)

    I’m eating 85% cacao Lindt right now. Pretends to be posh chocolate but it’s too bitter and lacks the crucial sensuality

    The best mass produced chocolate you can get most places is Ritter dark milk with hazelnuts
    85 is a bit too much. In the 70s is (for me) plenty strong enough for very good chocolate.
    Yes I agree. But supplies were limited in my Almaty supermarket and I fancied posh chocolate with my Saperavi wine - my minibar only has TwiX. The chocolate not the social medium

    I should’ve done for the Ritter. My regular
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 59,283
    Sean_F said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    CatMan said:

    "Americans are now split on whether Russia is an ‘enemy,’ poll finds"

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2025/04/17/russia-ukraine-trump-poll-enemy/

    "The share of Americans who consider Russia an “enemy” has fallen to its lowest point since it began its full-scale invasion of Ukraine in 2022, according to a poll published Thursday by Pew Research Center. The shift owes largely to evolving views among Republicans amid stark changes in U.S. policy and diplomacy toward Russia and Ukraine under President Donald Trump.

    The survey found the share of Americans who said Russia was an “enemy” had fallen to 50 percent, from 61 percent in April 2024 and 70 percent in March 2022, just after the invasion began.

    The softening in attitudes toward Russia was far sharper among Republican voters, with 40 percent saying Russia was an enemy, down from 58 percent last year and 69 percent in March 2022. Thirty-four percent of Americans overall now describe Russia as a competitor of the United States, while just 9 percent said it was a partner.
    "

    When the USA gets attacked again - and they will (*) - there will not be a coalition of the willing to help them. And this time, more people will just shrug their shoulders and say; "You see, that's what it feels like!"

    (*) They will get attacked, because MAGA still see the USA as the most important world power. As Russia sees itself. And as China sees itself. That will lead to conflicts between them, probably proxy, but maybe worse. Also, to be the most important power, you need to throw your weight around - witness all Trump's Gaza nonsense. And that creates enemies who will want to fight you asymmetrically - as happened on 9/11 and before.
    Russia does not see itself as “the most important world power”. They’re not delusional to that extent

    They know America and China are much stronger and likely always will be

    But they want to be seen as top of the next tier. A truly great power albeit not a superpower. It’s the potential demotion to the third tier - “economy the size of Spain” and all that - that really exercises them
    What Putin wants is the resurrection of the old "spheres of influence" polity. Xi would probably be happy with that, as would the America First zealots.

    The "End of History" as posited by Fukuyama would be well and truly up-ended. As would Western liberal democracy.
    Yes that’s a sharp analysis
    We'd be quite fucked. Our prosperity depends on free and open global trade.

    The reason we've done well the last century is that at first we policed it and then the Americans took over.

    If no-one does then, well, we're in trouble.
    We haven't done well in the last century.
    Don't be silly.
    It would be interesting to get his account of this -


    You do get a notable jump in GDP per capita, after the Black Death, but then, nothing much until towards the end of the 17th century.
    It would be better if it was log scale.
  • DM_AndyDM_Andy Posts: 1,172
    Barnesian said:

    DM_Andy said:

    Taz said:

    Sean_F said:

    rcs1000 said:

    For what it's worth, I would choose Canada over Australia as a marriage partner for the UK. For a start, the skiing is much better. It's also not such a crazy hassle to get to, and there's far less jet lag.

    Ottawa is nicer than Canberra too, albeit in the same way that syphilis is nicer than herpes.

    Is syphilis nicer than herpes? I thought herpes gives you coldsores but syphilis means you go blind and have to have mercury injected up your willy?
    You truly are living in the 19th century. Fair play.
    I thought it was self-abuse that makes people go blind.
    If I actually consent to my own self-abuse, it's not really abuse, is it?

    #philosophical

    Sean_F said:

    rcs1000 said:

    For what it's worth, I would choose Canada over Australia as a marriage partner for the UK. For a start, the skiing is much better. It's also not such a crazy hassle to get to, and there's far less jet lag.

    Ottawa is nicer than Canberra too, albeit in the same way that syphilis is nicer than herpes.

    Is syphilis nicer than herpes? I thought herpes gives you coldsores but syphilis means you go blind and have to have mercury injected up your willy?
    You truly are living in the 19th century. Fair play.
    I thought it was self-abuse that makes people go blind.
    If I actually consent to my own self-abuse, it's not really abuse, is it?

    #philosophical
    It may be

    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/masochists-win-right-to-appeal-over-convictions-1568640.html
    The ECHR rejected their appeals and it's still the case that you cannot consent to serious harm. You might then say what about boxing but in boxing serious harm isn't the intent, but a potential side-effect of being punched.
    Is assisted dying serious harm?
    Currently yes, that's why there's a bill looking to change that.
  • TazTaz Posts: 17,536

    Taz said:

    tlg86 said:

    On topic. I assume this has been done, but if not:

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/apr/18/ruling-on-woman-definition-at-odds-with-uk-equality-acts-aim-says-ex-civil-servant

    Melanie Field, who oversaw its drafting and passage through Westminster in 2010, said the legislation was meant to give transgender people with gender recognition certificates (GRCs) the same legal status as biological men or women.

    This has the potential to blow up spectacularly and could be very dangerous for Starmer. Keep a close eye on Creasy.

    Does it ?

    She may say that was the intent of the law but that’s not how the Supreme Court has seen it so perhaps she should have done a better job if that was the intent.

    Creasy is a nobody.
    Melanie Field is saying that she forgot to write the intent of the law into the actual, written law.

    Oh right, what an idiot.

    Probably a very well paid one.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 59,283

    Sean_F said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    CatMan said:

    "Americans are now split on whether Russia is an ‘enemy,’ poll finds"

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2025/04/17/russia-ukraine-trump-poll-enemy/

    "The share of Americans who consider Russia an “enemy” has fallen to its lowest point since it began its full-scale invasion of Ukraine in 2022, according to a poll published Thursday by Pew Research Center. The shift owes largely to evolving views among Republicans amid stark changes in U.S. policy and diplomacy toward Russia and Ukraine under President Donald Trump.

    The survey found the share of Americans who said Russia was an “enemy” had fallen to 50 percent, from 61 percent in April 2024 and 70 percent in March 2022, just after the invasion began.

    The softening in attitudes toward Russia was far sharper among Republican voters, with 40 percent saying Russia was an enemy, down from 58 percent last year and 69 percent in March 2022. Thirty-four percent of Americans overall now describe Russia as a competitor of the United States, while just 9 percent said it was a partner.
    "

    When the USA gets attacked again - and they will (*) - there will not be a coalition of the willing to help them. And this time, more people will just shrug their shoulders and say; "You see, that's what it feels like!"

    (*) They will get attacked, because MAGA still see the USA as the most important world power. As Russia sees itself. And as China sees itself. That will lead to conflicts between them, probably proxy, but maybe worse. Also, to be the most important power, you need to throw your weight around - witness all Trump's Gaza nonsense. And that creates enemies who will want to fight you asymmetrically - as happened on 9/11 and before.
    Russia does not see itself as “the most important world power”. They’re not delusional to that extent

    They know America and China are much stronger and likely always will be

    But they want to be seen as top of the next tier. A truly great power albeit not a superpower. It’s the potential demotion to the third tier - “economy the size of Spain” and all that - that really exercises them
    What Putin wants is the resurrection of the old "spheres of influence" polity. Xi would probably be happy with that, as would the America First zealots.

    The "End of History" as posited by Fukuyama would be well and truly up-ended. As would Western liberal democracy.
    Yes that’s a sharp analysis
    We'd be quite fucked. Our prosperity depends on free and open global trade.

    The reason we've done well the last century is that at first we policed it and then the Americans took over.

    If no-one does then, well, we're in trouble.
    We haven't done well in the last century.
    Don't be silly.
    It would be interesting to get his account of this -


    You do get a notable jump in GDP per capita, after the Black Death, but then, nothing much until towards the end of the 17th century.
    Hmmm… the mad increases of the 20th cent make it hard to see, but


    Or as a log graph (did we learn nothing during The Sickness?)



    Looks like breaks in trend in late 1600s, 1800 or so and 1925.
    I studied Seventeenth Century history at A Level, and it always felt like an extraordinary period: it started out with Elizabeth I still on the throne, and ended a (broadly) constitutional monarchy with a modern financial system.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 59,283
    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    kinabalu said:

    AnneJGP said:

    Taz said:

    Andy_JS said:

    "Toblerone dark chocolate bar discontinued in the UK"

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cy4v0jy925vo

    The cynic in me expects this will just see a spike in demand !
    I'd not known there was a dark chocolate Toblerone and my reaction to reading about its demise was to wonder what it's like. (Not interested in ordinary Toblerone.)
    Same here. Dark Toblerone is leaving before I had a chance to say hello. Feel sad.
    You’re not missing much. It’s probably worse than the milk version (which is actually ok if all you want is a hit of mild chocolate sweetness - but the nougat gets in your teeth)

    I’m eating 85% cacao Lindt right now. Pretends to be posh chocolate but it’s too bitter and lacks the crucial sensuality

    The best mass produced chocolate you can get most places is Ritter dark milk with hazelnuts
    85 is a bit too much. In the 70s is (for me) plenty strong enough for very good chocolate.
    Yes I agree. But supplies were limited in my Almaty supermarket and I fancied posh chocolate with my Saperavi wine - my minibar only has TwiX. The chocolate not the social medium

    I should’ve done for the Ritter. My regular
    Ritter is surprisingly good.
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 26,518

    Taz said:

    tlg86 said:

    On topic. I assume this has been done, but if not:

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/apr/18/ruling-on-woman-definition-at-odds-with-uk-equality-acts-aim-says-ex-civil-servant

    Melanie Field, who oversaw its drafting and passage through Westminster in 2010, said the legislation was meant to give transgender people with gender recognition certificates (GRCs) the same legal status as biological men or women.

    This has the potential to blow up spectacularly and could be very dangerous for Starmer. Keep a close eye on Creasy.

    Does it ?

    She may say that was the intent of the law but that’s not how the Supreme Court has seen it so perhaps she should have done a better job if that was the intent.

    Creasy is a nobody.
    Melanie Field is saying that she forgot to write the intent of the law into the actual, written law.


    What other laws did she oversea drafting of?
    The cynic in me is thinking they deliberately didn’t spell it out in black and white to avoid a meltdown by the MPs.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 59,283

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    CatMan said:

    "Americans are now split on whether Russia is an ‘enemy,’ poll finds"

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2025/04/17/russia-ukraine-trump-poll-enemy/

    "The share of Americans who consider Russia an “enemy” has fallen to its lowest point since it began its full-scale invasion of Ukraine in 2022, according to a poll published Thursday by Pew Research Center. The shift owes largely to evolving views among Republicans amid stark changes in U.S. policy and diplomacy toward Russia and Ukraine under President Donald Trump.

    The survey found the share of Americans who said Russia was an “enemy” had fallen to 50 percent, from 61 percent in April 2024 and 70 percent in March 2022, just after the invasion began.

    The softening in attitudes toward Russia was far sharper among Republican voters, with 40 percent saying Russia was an enemy, down from 58 percent last year and 69 percent in March 2022. Thirty-four percent of Americans overall now describe Russia as a competitor of the United States, while just 9 percent said it was a partner.
    "

    When the USA gets attacked again - and they will (*) - there will not be a coalition of the willing to help them. And this time, more people will just shrug their shoulders and say; "You see, that's what it feels like!"

    (*) They will get attacked, because MAGA still see the USA as the most important world power. As Russia sees itself. And as China sees itself. That will lead to conflicts between them, probably proxy, but maybe worse. Also, to be the most important power, you need to throw your weight around - witness all Trump's Gaza nonsense. And that creates enemies who will want to fight you asymmetrically - as happened on 9/11 and before.
    Russia does not see itself as “the most important world power”. They’re not delusional to that extent

    They know America and China are much stronger and likely always will be

    But they want to be seen as top of the next tier. A truly great power albeit not a superpower. It’s the potential demotion to the third tier - “economy the size of Spain” and all that - that really exercises them
    What Putin wants is the resurrection of the old "spheres of influence" polity. Xi would probably be happy with that, as would the America First zealots.

    The "End of History" as posited by Fukuyama would be well and truly up-ended. As would Western liberal democracy.
    Yes that’s a sharp analysis
    We'd be quite fucked. Our prosperity depends on free and open global trade.

    The reason we've done well the last century is that at first we policed it and then the Americans took over.

    If no-one does then, well, we're in trouble.
    We haven't done well in the last century.
    Don't be silly.
    Since 1925, we have gone from being probably the world's second wealthiest and most powerful country, to being the sick man of Europe (again). Don't get me wrong, I have every faith in our country that we can bounce back, but we've had a century of almost constant decline. Doing well is the situation improving, or at least staying the same.
    Man, wait until you hear about Italy.
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 30,751
    edited April 18
    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    kinabalu said:

    AnneJGP said:

    Taz said:

    Andy_JS said:

    "Toblerone dark chocolate bar discontinued in the UK"

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cy4v0jy925vo

    The cynic in me expects this will just see a spike in demand !
    I'd not known there was a dark chocolate Toblerone and my reaction to reading about its demise was to wonder what it's like. (Not interested in ordinary Toblerone.)
    Same here. Dark Toblerone is leaving before I had a chance to say hello. Feel sad.
    You’re not missing much. It’s probably worse than the milk version (which is actually ok if all you want is a hit of mild chocolate sweetness - but the nougat gets in your teeth)

    I’m eating 85% cacao Lindt right now. Pretends to be posh chocolate but it’s too bitter and lacks the crucial sensuality

    The best mass produced chocolate you can get most places is Ritter dark milk with hazelnuts
    85 is a bit too much. In the 70s is (for me) plenty strong enough for very good chocolate.
    Yes I agree. But supplies were limited in my Almaty supermarket and I fancied posh chocolate with my Saperavi wine - my minibar only has TwiX. The chocolate not the social medium

    I should’ve done for the Ritter. My regular
    I've tried a fair bit of chocolate one way or another, and the best one I think I've tried (as unadulterated chocolate) is this one:

    https://cocoarunners.com/shop/original-beans-cru-virunga/

    From Congo. It just tastes so rich, creamy and unctuous - all just from the origin of the beans. They give money to the gorillas too.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 54,133
    rcs1000 said:

    Sean_F said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    CatMan said:

    "Americans are now split on whether Russia is an ‘enemy,’ poll finds"

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2025/04/17/russia-ukraine-trump-poll-enemy/

    "The share of Americans who consider Russia an “enemy” has fallen to its lowest point since it began its full-scale invasion of Ukraine in 2022, according to a poll published Thursday by Pew Research Center. The shift owes largely to evolving views among Republicans amid stark changes in U.S. policy and diplomacy toward Russia and Ukraine under President Donald Trump.

    The survey found the share of Americans who said Russia was an “enemy” had fallen to 50 percent, from 61 percent in April 2024 and 70 percent in March 2022, just after the invasion began.

    The softening in attitudes toward Russia was far sharper among Republican voters, with 40 percent saying Russia was an enemy, down from 58 percent last year and 69 percent in March 2022. Thirty-four percent of Americans overall now describe Russia as a competitor of the United States, while just 9 percent said it was a partner.
    "

    When the USA gets attacked again - and they will (*) - there will not be a coalition of the willing to help them. And this time, more people will just shrug their shoulders and say; "You see, that's what it feels like!"

    (*) They will get attacked, because MAGA still see the USA as the most important world power. As Russia sees itself. And as China sees itself. That will lead to conflicts between them, probably proxy, but maybe worse. Also, to be the most important power, you need to throw your weight around - witness all Trump's Gaza nonsense. And that creates enemies who will want to fight you asymmetrically - as happened on 9/11 and before.
    Russia does not see itself as “the most important world power”. They’re not delusional to that extent

    They know America and China are much stronger and likely always will be

    But they want to be seen as top of the next tier. A truly great power albeit not a superpower. It’s the potential demotion to the third tier - “economy the size of Spain” and all that - that really exercises them
    What Putin wants is the resurrection of the old "spheres of influence" polity. Xi would probably be happy with that, as would the America First zealots.

    The "End of History" as posited by Fukuyama would be well and truly up-ended. As would Western liberal democracy.
    Yes that’s a sharp analysis
    We'd be quite fucked. Our prosperity depends on free and open global trade.

    The reason we've done well the last century is that at first we policed it and then the Americans took over.

    If no-one does then, well, we're in trouble.
    We haven't done well in the last century.
    Don't be silly.
    It would be interesting to get his account of this -


    You do get a notable jump in GDP per capita, after the Black Death, but then, nothing much until towards the end of the 17th century.
    It would be better if it was log scale.


    There you go…
  • GallowgateGallowgate Posts: 20,156
    So what happened to Trump bringing peace to Ukraine within 24 hours or some rubbish?
  • TazTaz Posts: 17,536
    rcs1000 said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    CatMan said:

    "Americans are now split on whether Russia is an ‘enemy,’ poll finds"

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2025/04/17/russia-ukraine-trump-poll-enemy/

    "The share of Americans who consider Russia an “enemy” has fallen to its lowest point since it began its full-scale invasion of Ukraine in 2022, according to a poll published Thursday by Pew Research Center. The shift owes largely to evolving views among Republicans amid stark changes in U.S. policy and diplomacy toward Russia and Ukraine under President Donald Trump.

    The survey found the share of Americans who said Russia was an “enemy” had fallen to 50 percent, from 61 percent in April 2024 and 70 percent in March 2022, just after the invasion began.

    The softening in attitudes toward Russia was far sharper among Republican voters, with 40 percent saying Russia was an enemy, down from 58 percent last year and 69 percent in March 2022. Thirty-four percent of Americans overall now describe Russia as a competitor of the United States, while just 9 percent said it was a partner.
    "

    When the USA gets attacked again - and they will (*) - there will not be a coalition of the willing to help them. And this time, more people will just shrug their shoulders and say; "You see, that's what it feels like!"

    (*) They will get attacked, because MAGA still see the USA as the most important world power. As Russia sees itself. And as China sees itself. That will lead to conflicts between them, probably proxy, but maybe worse. Also, to be the most important power, you need to throw your weight around - witness all Trump's Gaza nonsense. And that creates enemies who will want to fight you asymmetrically - as happened on 9/11 and before.
    Russia does not see itself as “the most important world power”. They’re not delusional to that extent

    They know America and China are much stronger and likely always will be

    But they want to be seen as top of the next tier. A truly great power albeit not a superpower. It’s the potential demotion to the third tier - “economy the size of Spain” and all that - that really exercises them
    What Putin wants is the resurrection of the old "spheres of influence" polity. Xi would probably be happy with that, as would the America First zealots.

    The "End of History" as posited by Fukuyama would be well and truly up-ended. As would Western liberal democracy.
    Yes that’s a sharp analysis
    We'd be quite fucked. Our prosperity depends on free and open global trade.

    The reason we've done well the last century is that at first we policed it and then the Americans took over.

    If no-one does then, well, we're in trouble.
    We haven't done well in the last century.
    Don't be silly.
    Since 1925, we have gone from being probably the world's second wealthiest and most powerful country, to being the sick man of Europe (again). Don't get me wrong, I have every faith in our country that we can bounce back, but we've had a century of almost constant decline. Doing well is the situation improving, or at least staying the same.
    Man, wait until you hear about Italy.
    The home of the pizza, sans pineapple. Probably explains their decline.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 59,283
    Taz said:

    AnneJGP said:

    Taz said:

    Andy_JS said:

    "Toblerone dark chocolate bar discontinued in the UK"

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cy4v0jy925vo

    The cynic in me expects this will just see a spike in demand !
    I'd not known there was a dark chocolate Toblerone and my reaction to reading about its demise was to wonder what it's like. (Not interested in ordinary Toblerone.)
    It’s alright, I’ve had it when people brought it in at work from holiday. White, dark and plain.

    Wouldn’t go out of my way to buy it but when it’s free I’ll give it a go.
    White Toblerone is genuinely disgusting.

    Dark Toblerone is fine.
  • GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 22,199

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    kinabalu said:

    AnneJGP said:

    Taz said:

    Andy_JS said:

    "Toblerone dark chocolate bar discontinued in the UK"

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cy4v0jy925vo

    The cynic in me expects this will just see a spike in demand !
    I'd not known there was a dark chocolate Toblerone and my reaction to reading about its demise was to wonder what it's like. (Not interested in ordinary Toblerone.)
    Same here. Dark Toblerone is leaving before I had a chance to say hello. Feel sad.
    You’re not missing much. It’s probably worse than the milk version (which is actually ok if all you want is a hit of mild chocolate sweetness - but the nougat gets in your teeth)

    I’m eating 85% cacao Lindt right now. Pretends to be posh chocolate but it’s too bitter and lacks the crucial sensuality

    The best mass produced chocolate you can get most places is Ritter dark milk with hazelnuts
    85 is a bit too much. In the 70s is (for me) plenty strong enough for very good chocolate.
    Yes I agree. But supplies were limited in my Almaty supermarket and I fancied posh chocolate with my Saperavi wine - my minibar only has TwiX. The chocolate not the social medium

    I should’ve done for the Ritter. My regular
    I've tried a fair bit of chocolate one way or another, and the best one I think I've tried (as unadulterated chocolate) is this one:

    https://cocoarunners.com/shop/original-beans-cru-virunga/

    From Congo. It just tastes so rich, creamy and unctuous - all just from the origin of the beans. They give money to the gorillas too.
    What do the gorillas do with it?
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 59,283

    rcs1000 said:

    Sean_F said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    CatMan said:

    "Americans are now split on whether Russia is an ‘enemy,’ poll finds"

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2025/04/17/russia-ukraine-trump-poll-enemy/

    "The share of Americans who consider Russia an “enemy” has fallen to its lowest point since it began its full-scale invasion of Ukraine in 2022, according to a poll published Thursday by Pew Research Center. The shift owes largely to evolving views among Republicans amid stark changes in U.S. policy and diplomacy toward Russia and Ukraine under President Donald Trump.

    The survey found the share of Americans who said Russia was an “enemy” had fallen to 50 percent, from 61 percent in April 2024 and 70 percent in March 2022, just after the invasion began.

    The softening in attitudes toward Russia was far sharper among Republican voters, with 40 percent saying Russia was an enemy, down from 58 percent last year and 69 percent in March 2022. Thirty-four percent of Americans overall now describe Russia as a competitor of the United States, while just 9 percent said it was a partner.
    "

    When the USA gets attacked again - and they will (*) - there will not be a coalition of the willing to help them. And this time, more people will just shrug their shoulders and say; "You see, that's what it feels like!"

    (*) They will get attacked, because MAGA still see the USA as the most important world power. As Russia sees itself. And as China sees itself. That will lead to conflicts between them, probably proxy, but maybe worse. Also, to be the most important power, you need to throw your weight around - witness all Trump's Gaza nonsense. And that creates enemies who will want to fight you asymmetrically - as happened on 9/11 and before.
    Russia does not see itself as “the most important world power”. They’re not delusional to that extent

    They know America and China are much stronger and likely always will be

    But they want to be seen as top of the next tier. A truly great power albeit not a superpower. It’s the potential demotion to the third tier - “economy the size of Spain” and all that - that really exercises them
    What Putin wants is the resurrection of the old "spheres of influence" polity. Xi would probably be happy with that, as would the America First zealots.

    The "End of History" as posited by Fukuyama would be well and truly up-ended. As would Western liberal democracy.
    Yes that’s a sharp analysis
    We'd be quite fucked. Our prosperity depends on free and open global trade.

    The reason we've done well the last century is that at first we policed it and then the Americans took over.

    If no-one does then, well, we're in trouble.
    We haven't done well in the last century.
    Don't be silly.
    It would be interesting to get his account of this -


    You do get a notable jump in GDP per capita, after the Black Death, but then, nothing much until towards the end of the 17th century.
    It would be better if it was log scale.


    There you go…
    Yes, but how many logs does that buy you?
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 30,751
    Taz said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    CatMan said:

    "Americans are now split on whether Russia is an ‘enemy,’ poll finds"

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2025/04/17/russia-ukraine-trump-poll-enemy/

    "The share of Americans who consider Russia an “enemy” has fallen to its lowest point since it began its full-scale invasion of Ukraine in 2022, according to a poll published Thursday by Pew Research Center. The shift owes largely to evolving views among Republicans amid stark changes in U.S. policy and diplomacy toward Russia and Ukraine under President Donald Trump.

    The survey found the share of Americans who said Russia was an “enemy” had fallen to 50 percent, from 61 percent in April 2024 and 70 percent in March 2022, just after the invasion began.

    The softening in attitudes toward Russia was far sharper among Republican voters, with 40 percent saying Russia was an enemy, down from 58 percent last year and 69 percent in March 2022. Thirty-four percent of Americans overall now describe Russia as a competitor of the United States, while just 9 percent said it was a partner.
    "

    When the USA gets attacked again - and they will (*) - there will not be a coalition of the willing to help them. And this time, more people will just shrug their shoulders and say; "You see, that's what it feels like!"

    (*) They will get attacked, because MAGA still see the USA as the most important world power. As Russia sees itself. And as China sees itself. That will lead to conflicts between them, probably proxy, but maybe worse. Also, to be the most important power, you need to throw your weight around - witness all Trump's Gaza nonsense. And that creates enemies who will want to fight you asymmetrically - as happened on 9/11 and before.
    Russia does not see itself as “the most important world power”. They’re not delusional to that extent

    They know America and China are much stronger and likely always will be

    But they want to be seen as top of the next tier. A truly great power albeit not a superpower. It’s the potential demotion to the third tier - “economy the size of Spain” and all that - that really exercises them
    What Putin wants is the resurrection of the old "spheres of influence" polity. Xi would probably be happy with that, as would the America First zealots.

    The "End of History" as posited by Fukuyama would be well and truly up-ended. As would Western liberal democracy.
    Yes that’s a sharp analysis
    We'd be quite fucked. Our prosperity depends on free and open global trade.

    The reason we've done well the last century is that at first we policed it and then the Americans took over.

    If no-one does then, well, we're in trouble.
    We haven't done well in the last century.
    Don't be silly.
    Since 1925, we have gone from being probably the world's second wealthiest and most powerful country, to being the sick man of Europe (again). Don't get me wrong, I have every faith in our country that we can bounce back, but we've had a century of almost constant decline. Doing well is the situation improving, or at least staying the same.
    Man, wait until you hear about Italy.
    The home of the pizza, sans pineapple. Probably explains their decline.
    They've been in decline since the Romans.
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 35,290
    Leon said:

    kinabalu said:

    AnneJGP said:

    Taz said:

    Andy_JS said:

    "Toblerone dark chocolate bar discontinued in the UK"

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cy4v0jy925vo

    The cynic in me expects this will just see a spike in demand !
    I'd not known there was a dark chocolate Toblerone and my reaction to reading about its demise was to wonder what it's like. (Not interested in ordinary Toblerone.)
    Same here. Dark Toblerone is leaving before I had a chance to say hello. Feel sad.
    You’re not missing much. It’s probably worse than the milk version (which is actually ok if all you want is a hit of mild chocolate sweetness - but the nougat gets in your teeth)

    I’m eating 85% cacao Lindt right now. Pretends to be posh chocolate but it’s too bitter and lacks the crucial sensuality

    The best mass produced chocolate you can get most places is Ritter dark milk with hazelnuts
    Lindt milk chocolate however is easily the best of the big brands.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 59,283

    Taz said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    CatMan said:

    "Americans are now split on whether Russia is an ‘enemy,’ poll finds"

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2025/04/17/russia-ukraine-trump-poll-enemy/

    "The share of Americans who consider Russia an “enemy” has fallen to its lowest point since it began its full-scale invasion of Ukraine in 2022, according to a poll published Thursday by Pew Research Center. The shift owes largely to evolving views among Republicans amid stark changes in U.S. policy and diplomacy toward Russia and Ukraine under President Donald Trump.

    The survey found the share of Americans who said Russia was an “enemy” had fallen to 50 percent, from 61 percent in April 2024 and 70 percent in March 2022, just after the invasion began.

    The softening in attitudes toward Russia was far sharper among Republican voters, with 40 percent saying Russia was an enemy, down from 58 percent last year and 69 percent in March 2022. Thirty-four percent of Americans overall now describe Russia as a competitor of the United States, while just 9 percent said it was a partner.
    "

    When the USA gets attacked again - and they will (*) - there will not be a coalition of the willing to help them. And this time, more people will just shrug their shoulders and say; "You see, that's what it feels like!"

    (*) They will get attacked, because MAGA still see the USA as the most important world power. As Russia sees itself. And as China sees itself. That will lead to conflicts between them, probably proxy, but maybe worse. Also, to be the most important power, you need to throw your weight around - witness all Trump's Gaza nonsense. And that creates enemies who will want to fight you asymmetrically - as happened on 9/11 and before.
    Russia does not see itself as “the most important world power”. They’re not delusional to that extent

    They know America and China are much stronger and likely always will be

    But they want to be seen as top of the next tier. A truly great power albeit not a superpower. It’s the potential demotion to the third tier - “economy the size of Spain” and all that - that really exercises them
    What Putin wants is the resurrection of the old "spheres of influence" polity. Xi would probably be happy with that, as would the America First zealots.

    The "End of History" as posited by Fukuyama would be well and truly up-ended. As would Western liberal democracy.
    Yes that’s a sharp analysis
    We'd be quite fucked. Our prosperity depends on free and open global trade.

    The reason we've done well the last century is that at first we policed it and then the Americans took over.

    If no-one does then, well, we're in trouble.
    We haven't done well in the last century.
    Don't be silly.
    Since 1925, we have gone from being probably the world's second wealthiest and most powerful country, to being the sick man of Europe (again). Don't get me wrong, I have every faith in our country that we can bounce back, but we've had a century of almost constant decline. Doing well is the situation improving, or at least staying the same.
    Man, wait until you hear about Italy.
    The home of the pizza, sans pineapple. Probably explains their decline.
    They've been in decline since the Romans.
    It's all been downhill since they abolished slavery, eh?
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 35,290

    Taz said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    CatMan said:

    "Americans are now split on whether Russia is an ‘enemy,’ poll finds"

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2025/04/17/russia-ukraine-trump-poll-enemy/

    "The share of Americans who consider Russia an “enemy” has fallen to its lowest point since it began its full-scale invasion of Ukraine in 2022, according to a poll published Thursday by Pew Research Center. The shift owes largely to evolving views among Republicans amid stark changes in U.S. policy and diplomacy toward Russia and Ukraine under President Donald Trump.

    The survey found the share of Americans who said Russia was an “enemy” had fallen to 50 percent, from 61 percent in April 2024 and 70 percent in March 2022, just after the invasion began.

    The softening in attitudes toward Russia was far sharper among Republican voters, with 40 percent saying Russia was an enemy, down from 58 percent last year and 69 percent in March 2022. Thirty-four percent of Americans overall now describe Russia as a competitor of the United States, while just 9 percent said it was a partner.
    "

    When the USA gets attacked again - and they will (*) - there will not be a coalition of the willing to help them. And this time, more people will just shrug their shoulders and say; "You see, that's what it feels like!"

    (*) They will get attacked, because MAGA still see the USA as the most important world power. As Russia sees itself. And as China sees itself. That will lead to conflicts between them, probably proxy, but maybe worse. Also, to be the most important power, you need to throw your weight around - witness all Trump's Gaza nonsense. And that creates enemies who will want to fight you asymmetrically - as happened on 9/11 and before.
    Russia does not see itself as “the most important world power”. They’re not delusional to that extent

    They know America and China are much stronger and likely always will be

    But they want to be seen as top of the next tier. A truly great power albeit not a superpower. It’s the potential demotion to the third tier - “economy the size of Spain” and all that - that really exercises them
    What Putin wants is the resurrection of the old "spheres of influence" polity. Xi would probably be happy with that, as would the America First zealots.

    The "End of History" as posited by Fukuyama would be well and truly up-ended. As would Western liberal democracy.
    Yes that’s a sharp analysis
    We'd be quite fucked. Our prosperity depends on free and open global trade.

    The reason we've done well the last century is that at first we policed it and then the Americans took over.

    If no-one does then, well, we're in trouble.
    We haven't done well in the last century.
    Don't be silly.
    Since 1925, we have gone from being probably the world's second wealthiest and most powerful country, to being the sick man of Europe (again). Don't get me wrong, I have every faith in our country that we can bounce back, but we've had a century of almost constant decline. Doing well is the situation improving, or at least staying the same.
    Man, wait until you hear about Italy.
    The home of the pizza, sans pineapple. Probably explains their decline.
    They've been in decline since the Romans.
    The Renaissance says ciao.
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 30,751

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    kinabalu said:

    AnneJGP said:

    Taz said:

    Andy_JS said:

    "Toblerone dark chocolate bar discontinued in the UK"

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cy4v0jy925vo

    The cynic in me expects this will just see a spike in demand !
    I'd not known there was a dark chocolate Toblerone and my reaction to reading about its demise was to wonder what it's like. (Not interested in ordinary Toblerone.)
    Same here. Dark Toblerone is leaving before I had a chance to say hello. Feel sad.
    You’re not missing much. It’s probably worse than the milk version (which is actually ok if all you want is a hit of mild chocolate sweetness - but the nougat gets in your teeth)

    I’m eating 85% cacao Lindt right now. Pretends to be posh chocolate but it’s too bitter and lacks the crucial sensuality

    The best mass produced chocolate you can get most places is Ritter dark milk with hazelnuts
    85 is a bit too much. In the 70s is (for me) plenty strong enough for very good chocolate.
    Yes I agree. But supplies were limited in my Almaty supermarket and I fancied posh chocolate with my Saperavi wine - my minibar only has TwiX. The chocolate not the social medium

    I should’ve done for the Ritter. My regular
    I've tried a fair bit of chocolate one way or another, and the best one I think I've tried (as unadulterated chocolate) is this one:

    https://cocoarunners.com/shop/original-beans-cru-virunga/

    From Congo. It just tastes so rich, creamy and unctuous - all just from the origin of the beans. They give money to the gorillas too.
    What do the gorillas do with it?
    I am a bit hazy on that.
  • Pagan2Pagan2 Posts: 10,772

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    CatMan said:

    "Americans are now split on whether Russia is an ‘enemy,’ poll finds"

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2025/04/17/russia-ukraine-trump-poll-enemy/

    "The share of Americans who consider Russia an “enemy” has fallen to its lowest point since it began its full-scale invasion of Ukraine in 2022, according to a poll published Thursday by Pew Research Center. The shift owes largely to evolving views among Republicans amid stark changes in U.S. policy and diplomacy toward Russia and Ukraine under President Donald Trump.

    The survey found the share of Americans who said Russia was an “enemy” had fallen to 50 percent, from 61 percent in April 2024 and 70 percent in March 2022, just after the invasion began.

    The softening in attitudes toward Russia was far sharper among Republican voters, with 40 percent saying Russia was an enemy, down from 58 percent last year and 69 percent in March 2022. Thirty-four percent of Americans overall now describe Russia as a competitor of the United States, while just 9 percent said it was a partner.
    "

    When the USA gets attacked again - and they will (*) - there will not be a coalition of the willing to help them. And this time, more people will just shrug their shoulders and say; "You see, that's what it feels like!"

    (*) They will get attacked, because MAGA still see the USA as the most important world power. As Russia sees itself. And as China sees itself. That will lead to conflicts between them, probably proxy, but maybe worse. Also, to be the most important power, you need to throw your weight around - witness all Trump's Gaza nonsense. And that creates enemies who will want to fight you asymmetrically - as happened on 9/11 and before.
    Russia does not see itself as “the most important world power”. They’re not delusional to that extent

    They know America and China are much stronger and likely always will be

    But they want to be seen as top of the next tier. A truly great power albeit not a superpower. It’s the potential demotion to the third tier - “economy the size of Spain” and all that - that really exercises them
    What Putin wants is the resurrection of the old "spheres of influence" polity. Xi would probably be happy with that, as would the America First zealots.

    The "End of History" as posited by Fukuyama would be well and truly up-ended. As would Western liberal democracy.
    Yes that’s a sharp analysis
    We'd be quite fucked. Our prosperity depends on free and open global trade.

    The reason we've done well the last century is that at first we policed it and then the Americans took over.

    If no-one does then, well, we're in trouble.
    Increasingly, free and open global trade is benefitting a small number of multinationals and their executives and not the majority of the population of the countries involved. Free and openglobal trade in the way it is now practiced means exporting jobs to countries with lower labour and material costs and buyng back unwanted and unneeded tat.

    There was a time when free and global trade benefitted most people. Not any more.
    What I mean by free and open trade is that you can buy and sell goods and services freely worldwide.

    That's what we need.

    A world where lots of borders shut down and deny access to British ships, professionals and merchants would be really shit.
    We never had free trade was however part of the problem. Companies could for example get tshirts made for pennies in countries....however try and buy those tshirts from within the manufacturing country that sold them for a a few extra pennies on top and the companies would take you to court because you have to buy them at prices for your geographical area.

    Free trade only works if it works both ways, sadly companies wanted to pay asian prices to manufacture but enforce european prices to sell
  • TazTaz Posts: 17,536

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    kinabalu said:

    AnneJGP said:

    Taz said:

    Andy_JS said:

    "Toblerone dark chocolate bar discontinued in the UK"

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cy4v0jy925vo

    The cynic in me expects this will just see a spike in demand !
    I'd not known there was a dark chocolate Toblerone and my reaction to reading about its demise was to wonder what it's like. (Not interested in ordinary Toblerone.)
    Same here. Dark Toblerone is leaving before I had a chance to say hello. Feel sad.
    You’re not missing much. It’s probably worse than the milk version (which is actually ok if all you want is a hit of mild chocolate sweetness - but the nougat gets in your teeth)

    I’m eating 85% cacao Lindt right now. Pretends to be posh chocolate but it’s too bitter and lacks the crucial sensuality

    The best mass produced chocolate you can get most places is Ritter dark milk with hazelnuts
    85 is a bit too much. In the 70s is (for me) plenty strong enough for very good chocolate.
    Yes I agree. But supplies were limited in my Almaty supermarket and I fancied posh chocolate with my Saperavi wine - my minibar only has TwiX. The chocolate not the social medium

    I should’ve done for the Ritter. My regular
    I've tried a fair bit of chocolate one way or another, and the best one I think I've tried (as unadulterated chocolate) is this one:

    https://cocoarunners.com/shop/original-beans-cru-virunga/

    From Congo. It just tastes so rich, creamy and unctuous - all just from the origin of the beans. They give money to the gorillas too.
    That’s not as pricey as the bar of Dubai Lindt I saw in my local Sainsbury’s, a tenner !!

    We are currently working our way through a biz of quality street. A gift at Xmas. Can’t say I’m a fan but I will match her magnificence chocolate for chocolate
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 44,719
    Leon said:

    kinabalu said:

    AnneJGP said:

    Taz said:

    Andy_JS said:

    "Toblerone dark chocolate bar discontinued in the UK"

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cy4v0jy925vo

    The cynic in me expects this will just see a spike in demand !
    I'd not known there was a dark chocolate Toblerone and my reaction to reading about its demise was to wonder what it's like. (Not interested in ordinary Toblerone.)
    Same here. Dark Toblerone is leaving before I had a chance to say hello. Feel sad.
    You’re not missing much. It’s probably worse than the milk version (which is actually ok if all you want is a hit of mild chocolate sweetness - but the nougat gets in your teeth)

    I’m eating 85% cacao Lindt right now. Pretends to be posh chocolate but it’s too bitter and lacks the crucial sensuality

    The best mass produced chocolate you can get most places is Ritter dark milk with hazelnuts
    I love chocolate and nuts but I don't mix them. I'm either having chocolate or I'm having nuts.
  • TazTaz Posts: 17,536

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    kinabalu said:

    AnneJGP said:

    Taz said:

    Andy_JS said:

    "Toblerone dark chocolate bar discontinued in the UK"

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cy4v0jy925vo

    The cynic in me expects this will just see a spike in demand !
    I'd not known there was a dark chocolate Toblerone and my reaction to reading about its demise was to wonder what it's like. (Not interested in ordinary Toblerone.)
    Same here. Dark Toblerone is leaving before I had a chance to say hello. Feel sad.
    You’re not missing much. It’s probably worse than the milk version (which is actually ok if all you want is a hit of mild chocolate sweetness - but the nougat gets in your teeth)

    I’m eating 85% cacao Lindt right now. Pretends to be posh chocolate but it’s too bitter and lacks the crucial sensuality

    The best mass produced chocolate you can get most places is Ritter dark milk with hazelnuts
    85 is a bit too much. In the 70s is (for me) plenty strong enough for very good chocolate.
    Yes I agree. But supplies were limited in my Almaty supermarket and I fancied posh chocolate with my Saperavi wine - my minibar only has TwiX. The chocolate not the social medium

    I should’ve done for the Ritter. My regular
    I've tried a fair bit of chocolate one way or another, and the best one I think I've tried (as unadulterated chocolate) is this one:

    https://cocoarunners.com/shop/original-beans-cru-virunga/

    From Congo. It just tastes so rich, creamy and unctuous - all just from the origin of the beans. They give money to the gorillas too.
    What do the gorillas do with it?
    They spend it on Um Bongo.

    It’s something they drink in the Congo
  • BurgessianBurgessian Posts: 2,969

    rcs1000 said:

    Nigelb said:

    THREAD: A federal whistleblower just dropped one of the most disturbing cybersecurity disclosures I’ve ever read.

    He's saying DOGE came in, data went out, and Russians started attempting logins with new valid DOGE passwords

    Media's coverage wasn't detailed enough so I dug into his testimony:..

    https://x.com/mattjay/status/1913023007263543565

    This is the bit that gets me:
    “.. DOGE demanded root access.
    Not auditor access. Not admin.

    They were given “tenant owner” privileges in Azure — full control over the NLRB’s cloud, above the CIO himself.
    This is never supposed to happen…

    .. They disabled the logs.
    Berulis says DOGE demanded account creation with no recordkeeping.

    They even ordered security controls bypassed and disabled tools like network watcher so their actions wouldn’t be logged..”

    It gets worse; read the whole thread.

    If that's true, that is absolutely extraordinary.
    The spped of the collapse of the US government into anarchic kleptocracy is remarkable.

    It must have been well planned.
    What's striking is that the Russian influence is happening in plain view.

    Peter Zeihan, in his youtube videos, openly calls Tulsi Gabbard (Director of National Intelligence) a Russian asset. And, even more remarkably, so do the Russians.

    Witkoff seems to fit better into the Useful Idiot category, but the effect is much the same.

    Quite extraordinary.
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 30,751
    Taz said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    kinabalu said:

    AnneJGP said:

    Taz said:

    Andy_JS said:

    "Toblerone dark chocolate bar discontinued in the UK"

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cy4v0jy925vo

    The cynic in me expects this will just see a spike in demand !
    I'd not known there was a dark chocolate Toblerone and my reaction to reading about its demise was to wonder what it's like. (Not interested in ordinary Toblerone.)
    Same here. Dark Toblerone is leaving before I had a chance to say hello. Feel sad.
    You’re not missing much. It’s probably worse than the milk version (which is actually ok if all you want is a hit of mild chocolate sweetness - but the nougat gets in your teeth)

    I’m eating 85% cacao Lindt right now. Pretends to be posh chocolate but it’s too bitter and lacks the crucial sensuality

    The best mass produced chocolate you can get most places is Ritter dark milk with hazelnuts
    85 is a bit too much. In the 70s is (for me) plenty strong enough for very good chocolate.
    Yes I agree. But supplies were limited in my Almaty supermarket and I fancied posh chocolate with my Saperavi wine - my minibar only has TwiX. The chocolate not the social medium

    I should’ve done for the Ritter. My regular
    I've tried a fair bit of chocolate one way or another, and the best one I think I've tried (as unadulterated chocolate) is this one:

    https://cocoarunners.com/shop/original-beans-cru-virunga/

    From Congo. It just tastes so rich, creamy and unctuous - all just from the origin of the beans. They give money to the gorillas too.
    That’s not as pricey as the bar of Dubai Lindt I saw in my local Sainsbury’s, a tenner !!

    We are currently working our way through a biz of quality street. A gift at Xmas. Can’t say I’m a fan but I will match her magnificence chocolate for chocolate
    I was one of those odd kids who liked the toffee penny.
  • DM_AndyDM_Andy Posts: 1,172
    tlg86 said:

    Taz said:

    tlg86 said:

    On topic. I assume this has been done, but if not:

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/apr/18/ruling-on-woman-definition-at-odds-with-uk-equality-acts-aim-says-ex-civil-servant

    Melanie Field, who oversaw its drafting and passage through Westminster in 2010, said the legislation was meant to give transgender people with gender recognition certificates (GRCs) the same legal status as biological men or women.

    This has the potential to blow up spectacularly and could be very dangerous for Starmer. Keep a close eye on Creasy.

    Does it ?

    She may say that was the intent of the law but that’s not how the Supreme Court has seen it so perhaps she should have done a better job if that was the intent.

    Creasy is a nobody.
    Melanie Field is saying that she forgot to write the intent of the law into the actual, written law.


    What other laws did she oversea drafting of?
    The cynic in me is thinking they deliberately didn’t spell it out in black and white to avoid a meltdown by the MPs.
    The Supreme Court reasoning on what the Equality Act means is interesting. Their argument in paragraphs 177-188 is basically. The section on pregnancy as a protected characteristic says "less favourable treatment of a woman because they are pregnant". The SC points out that it would be odd if Parliament's intention was to include trans women but exclude trans men so that when the EA says women it has to be cis women + trans men. Therefore whenever the EA says women it's cis women + trans men.

    That leads to what hospitals have to do in the rare cases when they have a pregnant trans man. They cannot treat them in a female-only ward because of their 'masculine appearance' but maternity hospitals doesn't have male-only wards. I guess that'll be a way for women to get a private room for free, claim to be a trans man and you'll get a room on your own.
  • TazTaz Posts: 17,536
    kinabalu said:

    Leon said:

    kinabalu said:

    AnneJGP said:

    Taz said:

    Andy_JS said:

    "Toblerone dark chocolate bar discontinued in the UK"

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cy4v0jy925vo

    The cynic in me expects this will just see a spike in demand !
    I'd not known there was a dark chocolate Toblerone and my reaction to reading about its demise was to wonder what it's like. (Not interested in ordinary Toblerone.)
    Same here. Dark Toblerone is leaving before I had a chance to say hello. Feel sad.
    You’re not missing much. It’s probably worse than the milk version (which is actually ok if all you want is a hit of mild chocolate sweetness - but the nougat gets in your teeth)

    I’m eating 85% cacao Lindt right now. Pretends to be posh chocolate but it’s too bitter and lacks the crucial sensuality

    The best mass produced chocolate you can get most places is Ritter dark milk with hazelnuts
    I love chocolate and nuts but I don't mix them. I'm either having chocolate or I'm having nuts.
    What about chocolate with raisins ?

    God tier for me
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 126,907
    edited April 18

    Leon said:

    CatMan said:

    "Americans are now split on whether Russia is an ‘enemy,’ poll finds"

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2025/04/17/russia-ukraine-trump-poll-enemy/

    "The share of Americans who consider Russia an “enemy” has fallen to its lowest point since it began its full-scale invasion of Ukraine in 2022, according to a poll published Thursday by Pew Research Center. The shift owes largely to evolving views among Republicans amid stark changes in U.S. policy and diplomacy toward Russia and Ukraine under President Donald Trump.

    The survey found the share of Americans who said Russia was an “enemy” had fallen to 50 percent, from 61 percent in April 2024 and 70 percent in March 2022, just after the invasion began.

    The softening in attitudes toward Russia was far sharper among Republican voters, with 40 percent saying Russia was an enemy, down from 58 percent last year and 69 percent in March 2022. Thirty-four percent of Americans overall now describe Russia as a competitor of the United States, while just 9 percent said it was a partner.
    "

    When the USA gets attacked again - and they will (*) - there will not be a coalition of the willing to help them. And this time, more people will just shrug their shoulders and say; "You see, that's what it feels like!"

    (*) They will get attacked, because MAGA still see the USA as the most important world power. As Russia sees itself. And as China sees itself. That will lead to conflicts between them, probably proxy, but maybe worse. Also, to be the most important power, you need to throw your weight around - witness all Trump's Gaza nonsense. And that creates enemies who will want to fight you asymmetrically - as happened on 9/11 and before.
    Russia does not see itself as “the most important world power”. They’re not delusional to that extent

    They know America and China are much stronger and likely always will be

    But they want to be seen as top of the next tier. A truly great power albeit not a superpower. It’s the potential demotion to the third tier - “economy the size of Spain” and all that - that really exercises them
    What Putin wants is the resurrection of the old "spheres of influence" polity. Xi would probably be happy with that, as would the America First zealots.

    The "End of History" as posited by Fukuyama would be well and truly up-ended. As would Western liberal democracy.
    Given Russia and China don't have western liberal democracy anyway and unless Trump tries and cancels the next US elections not really. Provided spheres of influence doesn't expand to a new era of conquest and empires
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 76,521

    rcs1000 said:

    Nigelb said:

    THREAD: A federal whistleblower just dropped one of the most disturbing cybersecurity disclosures I’ve ever read.

    He's saying DOGE came in, data went out, and Russians started attempting logins with new valid DOGE passwords

    Media's coverage wasn't detailed enough so I dug into his testimony:..

    https://x.com/mattjay/status/1913023007263543565

    This is the bit that gets me:
    “.. DOGE demanded root access.
    Not auditor access. Not admin.

    They were given “tenant owner” privileges in Azure — full control over the NLRB’s cloud, above the CIO himself.
    This is never supposed to happen…

    .. They disabled the logs.
    Berulis says DOGE demanded account creation with no recordkeeping.

    They even ordered security controls bypassed and disabled tools like network watcher so their actions wouldn’t be logged..”

    It gets worse; read the whole thread.

    If that's true, that is absolutely extraordinary.
    The spped of the collapse of the US government into anarchic kleptocracy is remarkable.

    It must have been well planned.
    It also helps explain the otherwise slightly odd obsession on the US right with Hungary. They’ve been doing on Orban on fast forward.
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