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A Starmer boost, an Ayrshire hotelier, Brexit dividends (sic), and, chlorinated chickens

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edited April 8 in General
A Starmer boost, an Ayrshire hotelier, Brexit dividends (sic), and, chlorinated chickens – politicalbetting.com

???NEW @moreincommonuk.bsky.social polling on tariffs, finds deep, rising worry among the public about their impact, majority support for retaliation, crumbling faith in the US as an ally, some credit for both Starmer & Brexit for sparing us the worst and a big no-no to chlorinated chicken.

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  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 59,203
    First!
  • MattWMattW Posts: 26,462
    No 2 in the Village
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 51,070
    Third rate, like Trump
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 54,681
    vik said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Scott_xP said:

    @JenniferJJacobs

    Italian premier Giorgia Meloni will head to the US to negotiate tariff relief directly with US President Donald Trump, in a move coordinated with the European Union. Meloni will seek to extract tariff concessions from Trump when she travels to Washington as early as next week, @donatopmancini reports

    https://x.com/JenniferJJacobs/status/1909626756438380698

    I can't help feel this is a dumb idea.

    Meloni and the EU needs to ignore the US, and to stimulate domestic demand. Continuing to rely on the US's deficit spending is ultimately dumb. (Plus, of course, can you really trust the Trump administration to stick to any deal they sign?)

    I would refuse to engage with the US on trade at all, until tariffs are removed.
    This sounds like a prescription for more of the same that we've had for decades. Since the advent of modern globalisation, there has been a surfeit of cheap goods, and to avoid this making things get cheaper, which is deemed to be disastrous, demand has been boosted to artificially induce inflation.

    Now that the consumer of last resort wants to opt out of the system, it seems like a bad idea for the rest of the West to double down on the policies that have failed.
    It's absolutely hilarious that MAGA supporters are now suddenly against "cheap goods".

    Harris lost the election because of high prices under Biden.

    Trump won because he promised low prices from "Day 1".

    Now, suddenly, it is "cheap goods" meaning low prices that is a problem that needs to be eliminated.
    You misread my post. I’m arguing against stimulating demand to create artificial inflation.
  • MustaphaMondeoMustaphaMondeo Posts: 269
    No cigar.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 59,203

    vik said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Scott_xP said:

    @JenniferJJacobs

    Italian premier Giorgia Meloni will head to the US to negotiate tariff relief directly with US President Donald Trump, in a move coordinated with the European Union. Meloni will seek to extract tariff concessions from Trump when she travels to Washington as early as next week, @donatopmancini reports

    https://x.com/JenniferJJacobs/status/1909626756438380698

    I can't help feel this is a dumb idea.

    Meloni and the EU needs to ignore the US, and to stimulate domestic demand. Continuing to rely on the US's deficit spending is ultimately dumb. (Plus, of course, can you really trust the Trump administration to stick to any deal they sign?)

    I would refuse to engage with the US on trade at all, until tariffs are removed.
    This sounds like a prescription for more of the same that we've had for decades. Since the advent of modern globalisation, there has been a surfeit of cheap goods, and to avoid this making things get cheaper, which is deemed to be disastrous, demand has been boosted to artificially induce inflation.

    Now that the consumer of last resort wants to opt out of the system, it seems like a bad idea for the rest of the West to double down on the policies that have failed.
    It's absolutely hilarious that MAGA supporters are now suddenly against "cheap goods".

    Harris lost the election because of high prices under Biden.

    Trump won because he promised low prices from "Day 1".

    Now, suddenly, it is "cheap goods" meaning low prices that is a problem that needs to be eliminated.
    You misread my post. I’m arguing against stimulating demand to create artificial inflation.
    Why would cheap goods from China create inflation?

    (And what is "artificial" inflation?)
  • FishingFishing Posts: 5,476
    I wonder how many of the 43% have visited (or would visit if they could) America and eaten chlorinated chicken there without giving it a second thought or keeling over from food poisoning, gassing or whatever you're supposed to get?
  • AnneJGPAnneJGP Posts: 3,371
    I voted Leave, I'm glad we left. No way would I say that the lesser-than-EU tariff from the US makes the leaving worth while. Rather a sledgehammer question.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 51,070
    Fishing said:

    I wonder how many of the 43% have visited (or would visit if they could) America and eaten chlorinated chicken there without giving it a second thought or keeling over from food poisoning, gassing or whatever you're supposed to get?

    These things take time to wear you down.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 54,681
    edited April 8
    rcs1000 said:

    vik said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Scott_xP said:

    @JenniferJJacobs

    Italian premier Giorgia Meloni will head to the US to negotiate tariff relief directly with US President Donald Trump, in a move coordinated with the European Union. Meloni will seek to extract tariff concessions from Trump when she travels to Washington as early as next week, @donatopmancini reports

    https://x.com/JenniferJJacobs/status/1909626756438380698

    I can't help feel this is a dumb idea.

    Meloni and the EU needs to ignore the US, and to stimulate domestic demand. Continuing to rely on the US's deficit spending is ultimately dumb. (Plus, of course, can you really trust the Trump administration to stick to any deal they sign?)

    I would refuse to engage with the US on trade at all, until tariffs are removed.
    This sounds like a prescription for more of the same that we've had for decades. Since the advent of modern globalisation, there has been a surfeit of cheap goods, and to avoid this making things get cheaper, which is deemed to be disastrous, demand has been boosted to artificially induce inflation.

    Now that the consumer of last resort wants to opt out of the system, it seems like a bad idea for the rest of the West to double down on the policies that have failed.
    It's absolutely hilarious that MAGA supporters are now suddenly against "cheap goods".

    Harris lost the election because of high prices under Biden.

    Trump won because he promised low prices from "Day 1".

    Now, suddenly, it is "cheap goods" meaning low prices that is a problem that needs to be eliminated.
    You misread my post. I’m arguing against stimulating demand to create artificial inflation.
    Why would cheap goods from China create inflation?

    (And what is "artificial" inflation?)
    Cheap imports would ordinarily lead to deflation, which is a problem because we've (wrongly) decreed that inflation below 2% is bad, so we have inflationary policies to counteract this.

    We should embrace deflation to pass on the benefits of globalisation to ordinary people.
  • FishingFishing Posts: 5,476
    edited April 8
    IanB2 said:

    Fishing said:

    I wonder how many of the 43% have visited (or would visit if they could) America and eaten chlorinated chicken there without giving it a second thought or keeling over from food poisoning, gassing or whatever you're supposed to get?

    These things take time to wear you down.
    We allowed chlorinated chicken before I think 1997 so it had many years to wear me down but I'm clearly hugely lucky as I managed to survive a couple of decades of it.

    I think people are just opposed to it because it sounds icky, like genetically modified foods, not because of anything so mundane as facts or logic.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 54,681
    Brace!

    https://x.com/mylovanov/status/1909645042257441213

    Zelensky: We have captured two Chinese soldiers on Ukrainian territory.

    We have their documents, even credit cards. They are citizens of China.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 31,098
    AnneJGP said:

    I voted Leave, I'm glad we left. No way would I say that the lesser-than-EU tariff from the US makes the leaving worth while. Rather a sledgehammer question.

    Oh Anne! We voted to impose economic sanctions on ourselves.

    Still what is done is done, no use crying over spilled milk.
  • BogotaBogota Posts: 119
    Fox Business White House Correspondent reporting that the 'White House Press Secretary says 104% additional tariffs went into effect at noon eastern time because China has not removed it's retaliation. The 104% additional tariff will be collected starting tomorrow April 9th' (512.07 +7.66)

    Art of the deal
  • BogotaBogota Posts: 119
    Dow has now sold off 1000 points in just over an hour. Winning.
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 34,500
    AnneJGP said:

    I voted Leave, I'm glad we left. No way would I say that the lesser-than-EU tariff from the US makes the leaving worth while. Rather a sledgehammer question.

    Oh no. And I always thought you were sensible!
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 54,681
    https://x.com/avasantina/status/1909630067740672165

    Nigel Farage at British Steel in Scunthorpe calls for nationalisation of the steelworks.
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 34,500

    https://x.com/avasantina/status/1909630067740672165

    Nigel Farage at British Steel in Scunthorpe calls for nationalisation of the steelworks.

    At last. Nigel’s seeing sense!
  • LeonLeon Posts: 59,504
    Sitting in an Almaty Kazakh food court eating Korean seafood soup and dumplings while drinking Aussie red wine and watching the American Netflix adaptation of the Colombian Spanish “one hundred years of solitude” as they play British music on the tannoy

    This IS globalisation. I like
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 73,256
    IanB2 said:

    Third rate, like Trump

    Bullshit.

    More like here -23rd rate like Trump.
  • Stark_DawningStark_Dawning Posts: 9,971

    https://x.com/avasantina/status/1909630067740672165

    Nigel Farage at British Steel in Scunthorpe calls for nationalisation of the steelworks.

    Astonishing how Maggie's erstwhile disciples have turned their backs on the great lady. Farage was stating that she would have opted for him and UKIP over the Tories not long ago. Did they ever really believe or was it just a political ruse?
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 53,491
    "There was me, that is Alexander Boris de Pfeffel, and my three droogs, that is Priti, Govey, and Dom, and we sat in the Kensington Milkbar trying to make up our Raaboodocks what to do with the evening. The Kensington Milkbar sold Milk-plus, milk plus Corn Syrup or GM Soya or Chlorinated Chicken, which is what we were drinking. This would sharpen you up and make you ready for a bit of the old all-out trade war!"
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 59,203

    Homebrew economics

    My mate and I have spent about £1800 on equipment. We've got a thirty litre mash boiler, and four stainless steel fermenters. Plus various other tubes, filters, buckets

    And bottles

    We bought 250 bottles, and we've been collecting them from mates, but we need more

    We're making about 45 litres a week of really decent tasting, strong ale - between 5.5 and 6% ABV, for about £35 ingredients - so about 40p for each half litre bottle

    If I were to include my labour as a cost, even at third world wages, I'd be better off buying beer. But I'm absolutely loving doing it, and vastly preferring my beer over those I can buy

    We've so far bottled 400 half litre bottles, and we have another 190ish in the fermenters

    I reckon I need to get to about 2000 bottles to make the beer cheaper than the shops, including the cost of the kit

    We're planning to buy bigger kit, to make the work more efficient, and sell our surplus to mates to help cover the capital cost


    2,000 bottles is only about three weeks consumption for @Leon.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 54,403
    Bogota said:

    Fox Business White House Correspondent reporting that the 'White House Press Secretary says 104% additional tariffs went into effect at noon eastern time because China has not removed it's retaliation. The 104% additional tariff will be collected starting tomorrow April 9th' (512.07 +7.66)

    Art of the deal

    Trump must have been worried about his short position....
  • MoonRabbitMoonRabbit Posts: 14,067
    rcs1000 said:

    First!

    Number of first that are inside job: 52-48% 😇
  • FF43FF43 Posts: 17,848
    Getting a separate and lower tariff on Trump's mad calculations is a Brexit benefit. I think a defensive position on UK - US ties does make sense as long it's not at the expense of improving relationships elsewhere. In other words, if you have to make the choice, choose Europe, but hold off doing so for as long as you can. I don't think Trump is giving us a better deal because we're British or because of anything Starmer has done.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 53,491
    I want to pre-emptively claim creative control of the headline (if and when DJT eventually tires of his blonde Press Secretary):

    LEAVITT OUT!
  • FF43FF43 Posts: 17,848
    Fishing said:

    IanB2 said:

    Fishing said:

    I wonder how many of the 43% have visited (or would visit if they could) America and eaten chlorinated chicken there without giving it a second thought or keeling over from food poisoning, gassing or whatever you're supposed to get?

    These things take time to wear you down.
    We allowed chlorinated chicken before I think 1997 so it had many years to wear me down but I'm clearly hugely lucky as I managed to survive a couple of decades of it.

    I think people are just opposed to it because it sounds icky, like genetically modified foods, not because of anything so mundane as facts or logic.
    Nothing wrong with washing chicken with chlorinated water.

    Maybe something wrong other hygiene standards, which is logically what you would look for.
  • MoonRabbitMoonRabbit Posts: 14,067

    Homebrew economics

    My mate and I have spent about £1800 on equipment. We've got a thirty litre mash boiler, and four stainless steel fermenters. Plus various other tubes, filters, buckets

    And bottles

    We bought 250 bottles, and we've been collecting them from mates, but we need more

    We're making about 45 litres a week of really decent tasting, strong ale - between 5.5 and 6% ABV, for about £35 ingredients - so about 40p for each half litre bottle

    If I were to include my labour as a cost, even at third world wages, I'd be better off buying beer. But I'm absolutely loving doing it, and vastly preferring my beer over those I can buy

    We've so far bottled 400 half litre bottles, and we have another 190ish in the fermenters

    I reckon I need to get to about 2000 bottles to make the beer cheaper than the shops, including the cost of the kit

    We're planning to buy bigger kit, to make the work more efficient, and sell our surplus to mates to help cover the capital cost


    What name have you given it? Beware of the Dog? First Post?
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 43,205

    https://x.com/avasantina/status/1909630067740672165

    Nigel Farage at British Steel in Scunthorpe calls for nationalisation of the steelworks.

    He’s certainly putting something into Scunthorpe.
  • MoonRabbitMoonRabbit Posts: 14,067

    I want to pre-emptively claim creative control of the headline (if and when DJT eventually tires of his blonde Press Secretary):

    LEAVITT OUT!

    She looks okay 😆
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 30,648

    https://x.com/avasantina/status/1909630067740672165

    Nigel Farage at British Steel in Scunthorpe calls for nationalisation of the steelworks.

    He’s certainly putting something into Scunthorpe.
    The 'pro'?

    ;)
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 30,648
    Leon said:

    Sitting in an Almaty Kazakh food court eating Korean seafood soup and dumplings while drinking Aussie red wine and watching the American Netflix adaptation of the Colombian Spanish “one hundred years of solitude” as they play British music on the tannoy

    This IS globalisation. I like

    I like full stops - we can't have everything.
  • stodgestodge Posts: 14,428

    https://x.com/avasantina/status/1909630067740672165

    Nigel Farage at British Steel in Scunthorpe calls for nationalisation of the steelworks.

    Astonishing how Maggie's erstwhile disciples have turned their backs on the great lady. Farage was stating that she would have opted for him and UKIP over the Tories not long ago. Did they ever really believe or was it just a political ruse?
    The interesting (or astonishing) bit is what it tells us about democracy and governance.

    Thatcher (as you mention her) argued a position - she argued it at every opportunity - because she believed in that position, however unpopular it was whether it was the community charge or sanctions against South Africa. She relished the argument and wanted to challenge her opponents to prove her wrong.

    Her position on a number of issues was unpopular but she didn't look at the unpopularity and tack towards a more popular position - instead, pace Grimond, she marched toward the sound of gunfire.

    To Farage, I'd simply ask "what is the argument FOR nationalisation?". Privatisation has caused problems in some areas - the current issues around some of the utility companies could be described as a failure of a process which, unlike in France, allowed foreign nationals to gain control of British infrastructure. That is the problem, not private ownership per se but the basis on which the privatisations were conducted which were, of course. a big give away for the middle classes (and Tory voters).

    It now seems, as a populist rather than a person of any principle whatsoever, Farage has decided he'll say anything which people will cheer (irrespective of whether it makes any sense). Saying what you think your audience wants to hear rather than challenging their preconceptions (or misconceptions) via argument is the way of modern political debate and explains so much.
  • AnneJGPAnneJGP Posts: 3,371

    AnneJGP said:

    I voted Leave, I'm glad we left. No way would I say that the lesser-than-EU tariff from the US makes the leaving worth while. Rather a sledgehammer question.

    Oh no. And I always thought you were sensible!
    Sorry to disillusion you, but I get by.
  • StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 9,682
    Bogota said:

    Dow has now sold off 1000 points in just over an hour. Winning.

    Flat on today’s open though.

    Basically all the greedy people who thought a deal would be done and bought in the morning have been flattened.
  • EabhalEabhal Posts: 10,071

    Fishing said:

    IanB2 said:

    Fishing said:

    I wonder how many of the 43% have visited (or would visit if they could) America and eaten chlorinated chicken there without giving it a second thought or keeling over from food poisoning, gassing or whatever you're supposed to get?

    These things take time to wear you down.
    We allowed chlorinated chicken before I think 1997 so it had many years to wear me down but I'm clearly hugely lucky as I managed to survive a couple of decades of it.

    I think people are just opposed to it because it sounds icky, like genetically modified foods, not because of anything so mundane as facts or logic.
    No, I'm opposed to it because it is a clear sign of very low standards of animal/poultry welfare.
    I spent my childhood drinking some of the most highly chlorinated water in the UK. It was like slurping up a children's swimming pool.

    (There were, on average, 3 dead sheep in the water source).
  • MoonRabbitMoonRabbit Posts: 14,067

    Homebrew economics

    My mate and I have spent about £1800 on equipment. We've got a thirty litre mash boiler, and four stainless steel fermenters. Plus various other tubes, filters, buckets

    And bottles

    We bought 250 bottles, and we've been collecting them from mates, but we need more

    We're making about 45 litres a week of really decent tasting, strong ale - between 5.5 and 6% ABV, for about £35 ingredients - so about 40p for each half litre bottle

    If I were to include my labour as a cost, even at third world wages, I'd be better off buying beer. But I'm absolutely loving doing it, and vastly preferring my beer over those I can buy

    We've so far bottled 400 half litre bottles, and we have another 190ish in the fermenters

    I reckon I need to get to about 2000 bottles to make the beer cheaper than the shops, including the cost of the kit

    We're planning to buy bigger kit, to make the work more efficient, and sell our surplus to mates to help cover the capital cost


    What name have you given it? Beware of the Dog? First Post?
    Pillar Box Red 😆

    https://www.seriouseats.com/red-ale-for-beginning-homebrewers-hoppy-red-ale-recipe#:~:text=If you're looking for,with no noticeable flavor contribution.

    Pint of Jess please 😄

    https://byo.com/article/brew-the-schwarz/
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 30,648
    AnneJGP said:

    AnneJGP said:

    I voted Leave, I'm glad we left. No way would I say that the lesser-than-EU tariff from the US makes the leaving worth while. Rather a sledgehammer question.

    Oh no. And I always thought you were sensible!
    Sorry to disillusion you, but I get by.
    I think it's an absolutely amazing result for Brexit! Nearly a quarter of the population thinks a 'less bad tariff' from Donald has made the whole thing worthwhile! I think it was worthwhile anyway, but if I didn't, that wouldn't change my mind.

    We are an optimistic, independence loving breed, and clearly despite the efforts of the entire state aparatus to tell is Brexit is awful (when actually it's just them that are awful) and we can't make it, the cork can only be held under for so long.
  • Pro_RataPro_Rata Posts: 5,560
    On the Brexit benefit, which is a factual accident of trade balances rather than anything else.

    What tarriffs would apply to the EU based on the combined UK/EU trade balance with the US. Would it still be 20% or would the UKs contribution reduce that?
  • BarnesianBarnesian Posts: 9,052
    edited April 8

    I want to pre-emptively claim creative control of the headline (if and when DJT eventually tires of his blonde Press Secretary):

    LEAVITT OUT!

    She looks okay 😆
    She is smart.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/cp8vyy35g3mt#player
  • Pro_RataPro_Rata Posts: 5,560

    https://x.com/avasantina/status/1909630067740672165

    Nigel Farage at British Steel in Scunthorpe calls for nationalisation of the steelworks.

    He’s certainly putting something into Scunthorpe.
    When he goes home it will at last be called Shorpe?
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 79,184
    Biq question is does China need to sell stuff more to the US or does the US need to buy more from China ?
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 31,098

    https://x.com/avasantina/status/1909630067740672165

    Nigel Farage at British Steel in Scunthorpe calls for nationalisation of the steelworks.

    F****' communist!
  • MustaphaMondeoMustaphaMondeo Posts: 269
    FF43 said:

    Getting a separate and lower tariff on Trump's mad calculations is a Brexit benefit. I think a defensive position on UK - US ties does make sense as long it's not at the expense of improving relationships elsewhere. In other words, if you have to make the choice, choose Europe, but hold off doing so for as long as you can. I don't think Trump is giving us a better deal because we're British or because of anything Starmer has done.


    We have a trade deficit with the US. I’m not sure there’s any Brexit benefit. Apart from being shitter at selling into the US than the EU.

    Accepting the calc as described by the State Department we are due a minus nine percent tariff. I agree that the calcs are bonkers. But they are consistent.

    So 19% adrift. I guess our poor global performance isn’t particularly Brexit related when it comes to the USA?

    Bad productivity is our thing. 10% is not a Brexit benefit.
  • StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 9,682
    DavidL said:

    As an unapologetic Brexiteer who still thinks it was the right decision on balance I find the proposition that the reduced Tariff is a justification for Brexit risible. Brexit was always a complicated balancing act of pluses and minuses. It remains so, despite the ineptitude which meant that we have not made proper use of the freedom to act we now have.

    So, I don't know how I would respond to such slanted questions but I wouldn't be saying it was a justification.

    It’s a stupid question. It is a benefit, clearly, but no one benefit is justification on its own.
  • TazTaz Posts: 17,401

    Homebrew economics

    My mate and I have spent about £1800 on equipment. We've got a thirty litre mash boiler, and four stainless steel fermenters. Plus various other tubes, filters, buckets

    And bottles

    We bought 250 bottles, and we've been collecting them from mates, but we need more

    We're making about 45 litres a week of really decent tasting, strong ale - between 5.5 and 6% ABV, for about £35 ingredients - so about 40p for each half litre bottle

    If I were to include my labour as a cost, even at third world wages, I'd be better off buying beer. But I'm absolutely loving doing it, and vastly preferring my beer over those I can buy

    We've so far bottled 400 half litre bottles, and we have another 190ish in the fermenters

    I reckon I need to get to about 2000 bottles to make the beer cheaper than the shops, including the cost of the kit

    We're planning to buy bigger kit, to make the work more efficient, and sell our surplus to mates to help cover the capital cost


    It’s great fun. I love making wine from either fresh fruit, ginger or dried fruits. Raisin being a favourite.

    I love the creation process and seeing the fermentation in action.

    I pinch wine bottles from my neighbours bottle bin, with their permission, as well as beer bottles.

    It is just the bottling I find a pain.

    That’s a decent ABV you’re making at. How long does it take from start to bottling.

    I will do three beers this year. Evil Dog DIPA, Caxton Pale Ale, and Razorback IPA.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 54,681
    I'd never seen this clip of a younger Starmer before. He says that the court system should become more like a GP's surgery.

    https://www.youtube.com/shorts/WUyMHjXufDw
  • StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 9,682
    edited April 8


    FF43 said:

    Getting a separate and lower tariff on Trump's mad calculations is a Brexit benefit. I think a defensive position on UK - US ties does make sense as long it's not at the expense of improving relationships elsewhere. In other words, if you have to make the choice, choose Europe, but hold off doing so for as long as you can. I don't think Trump is giving us a better deal because we're British or because of anything Starmer has done.


    We have a trade deficit with the US. I’m not sure there’s any Brexit benefit. Apart from being shitter at selling into the US than the EU.

    Accepting the calc as described by the State Department we are due a minus nine percent tariff. I agree that the calcs are bonkers. But they are consistent.

    So 19% adrift. I guess our poor global performance isn’t particularly Brexit related when it comes to the USA?

    Bad productivity is our thing. 10% is not a Brexit benefit.
    The funny thing about the US/UK trade balance is that *both* sides think they have a surplus. Statistics, hey!?
  • TazTaz Posts: 17,401
    My Stepdad was all in favour of reciprocal tariffs from the U.K. on the USA until I pointed out that he would end up paying more for his weekly bottle of JD.

    He’s a bit of an old soak, but a decent chap.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 55,097
    edited April 8

    DavidL said:

    As an unapologetic Brexiteer who still thinks it was the right decision on balance I find the proposition that the reduced Tariff is a justification for Brexit risible. Brexit was always a complicated balancing act of pluses and minuses. It remains so, despite the ineptitude which meant that we have not made proper use of the freedom to act we now have.

    So, I don't know how I would respond to such slanted questions but I wouldn't be saying it was a justification.

    It’s a stupid question. It is a benefit, clearly, but no one benefit is justification on its own.
    It's the sort of question that obsessive remainers still like to ask in the expectation that it proves something or other or makes them feel better about being beaten by a bus or whatever. Its mostly harmless but its also tedious.
  • BarnesianBarnesian Posts: 9,052
    edited April 8
    Pulpstar said:

    Biq question is does China need to sell stuff more to the US or does the US need to buy more from China ?

    Also: Does the US need to sell stuff more to China or does China need to buy more from the US?

    Each country will be looking for alternative markets for their surplus products, and alternative supplies for their essential imports.

    The US exports about $15b of soyabeans to China. Can China source them from elsewhere? Where else can the US sell them?

    China exports about $23b of plastics to the US. Where else can China sell them? And where else can the US source them?
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 31,098
    edited April 8

    I'd never seen this clip of a younger Starmer before. He says that the court system should become more like a GP's surgery.

    https://www.youtube.com/shorts/WUyMHjXufDw

    Phone up at 8.00 am and hope for a hearing at teatime?
  • BlancheLivermoreBlancheLivermore Posts: 6,248
    We've also started a hop garden

    My mate has a 30m long open fence line that gets sun all day. We've bought fifteen hop plants - three each of Centennial, Cascade, Challenger, Chinook and Mount Hood

    The first is the favourite of our supplier, and we're using the first two in our current beers

    I don't know how much we can produce, but hops are almost a third of our current ingredients cost

    Even if we can't make much, a few brews made with homegrown hops would be awesome
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 59,203


    FF43 said:

    Getting a separate and lower tariff on Trump's mad calculations is a Brexit benefit. I think a defensive position on UK - US ties does make sense as long it's not at the expense of improving relationships elsewhere. In other words, if you have to make the choice, choose Europe, but hold off doing so for as long as you can. I don't think Trump is giving us a better deal because we're British or because of anything Starmer has done.


    We have a trade deficit with the US. I’m not sure there’s any Brexit benefit. Apart from being shitter at selling into the US than the EU.

    Accepting the calc as described by the State Department we are due a minus nine percent tariff. I agree that the calcs are bonkers. But they are consistent.

    So 19% adrift. I guess our poor global performance isn’t particularly Brexit related when it comes to the USA?

    Bad productivity is our thing. 10% is not a Brexit benefit.
    The funny thing about the US/UK trade balance is that *both* sides think they have a surplus. Statistics, hey!?
    Iirc, we run a deficit in goods, but a surplus overall.

    Fortunately, the US is obsessed with trade in goods.

    However, Trump's tariffs on Canadian oil (which are by far the stupidest part of his tariffs program) may end up limiting exports of oil and refined products to Europe.

    In other words, he may well create a physical goods trade deficit with the UK.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 55,097
    Barnesian said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Biq question is does China need to sell stuff more to the US or does the US need to buy more from China ?

    Also: Does the US need to sell stuff more to China or does China need to buy more from the US?

    Each country will be looking for alternative markets for their surplus products, and alternative supplies for their essential imports.

    The US exports about $15b of soyabeans to China. Can China source them from elsewhere? Where else can the US sell them?

    China exports about $23b of plastics to the US. Where else can it sell them? And where else can the US source them?
    China has the option of increasing domestic consumption to absorb that $23bn of plastics, and quite possibly some American imports as well. The US will find it a lot more painful trying to reduce consumption so that they do not consume or import quite as much. Basically China has the stronger hand and better options here. Trump has done as well with this as he did with his casinos.
  • RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 29,770

    Homebrew economics

    My mate and I have spent about £1800 on equipment. We've got a thirty litre mash boiler, and four stainless steel fermenters. Plus various other tubes, filters, buckets

    And bottles

    We bought 250 bottles, and we've been collecting them from mates, but we need more

    We're making about 45 litres a week of really decent tasting, strong ale - between 5.5 and 6% ABV, for about £35 ingredients - so about 40p for each half litre bottle

    If I were to include my labour as a cost, even at third world wages, I'd be better off buying beer. But I'm absolutely loving doing it, and vastly preferring my beer over those I can buy

    We've so far bottled 400 half litre bottles, and we have another 190ish in the fermenters

    I reckon I need to get to about 2000 bottles to make the beer cheaper than the shops, including the cost of the kit

    We're planning to buy bigger kit, to make the work more efficient, and sell our surplus to mates to help cover the capital cost


    Fantastic! Remember that Brew Dog started as two guys with similar kit in their garage!

    I've also been working on an interesting new business opportunity. A gap in the market which big manufacturers don't want to take because its supermarket own brand. But as the Trumpcession bites deep, paying a premium for brands will once again be seen as frivolous spending...
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 54,681
    DavidL said:

    Barnesian said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Biq question is does China need to sell stuff more to the US or does the US need to buy more from China ?

    Also: Does the US need to sell stuff more to China or does China need to buy more from the US?

    Each country will be looking for alternative markets for their surplus products, and alternative supplies for their essential imports.

    The US exports about $15b of soyabeans to China. Can China source them from elsewhere? Where else can the US sell them?

    China exports about $23b of plastics to the US. Where else can it sell them? And where else can the US source them?
    China has the option of increasing domestic consumption to absorb that $23bn of plastics, and quite possibly some American imports as well. The US will find it a lot more painful trying to reduce consumption so that they do not consume or import quite as much. Basically China has the stronger hand and better options here. Trump has done as well with this as he did with his casinos.
    A country that suddenly finds itself with overcapacity isn't necessarily in a strong position. Look at the experience of Britain during its industrial decline.
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 30,648
    edited April 8
    Taz said:

    My Stepdad was all in favour of reciprocal tariffs from the U.K. on the USA until I pointed out that he would end up paying more for his weekly bottle of JD.

    He’s a bit of an old soak, but a decent chap.

    He should be drinking Scotch.
  • TazTaz Posts: 17,401
    Barnesian said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Biq question is does China need to sell stuff more to the US or does the US need to buy more from China ?

    Also: Does the US need to sell stuff more to China or does China need to buy more from the US?

    Each country will be looking for alternative markets for their surplus products, and alternative supplies for their essential imports.

    The US exports about $15b of soyabeans to China. Can China source them from elsewhere? Where else can the US sell them?

    China exports about $23b of plastics to the US. Where else can China sell them? And where else can the US source them?
    In terms of plastics it would be the capacity they are selling as a fair chunk of it is bespoke.

    So you are talking, certainly in the case of the products I used to deal with from US companies which were plastic assemblies a lot of the components came from China, retooling and sourcing with a new supplier.

    You have to find a source, qualify a source, order tooling, get tooling made, get parts approved, issue a change note, get end user approval, then you are good to go.

    The US could source from other low cost economies with lower tariffs but how do we know these idiots won’t hammer that jurisdiction with excess tariffs at a later date
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 76,386
    rcs1000 said:

    vik said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Scott_xP said:

    @JenniferJJacobs

    Italian premier Giorgia Meloni will head to the US to negotiate tariff relief directly with US President Donald Trump, in a move coordinated with the European Union. Meloni will seek to extract tariff concessions from Trump when she travels to Washington as early as next week, @donatopmancini reports

    https://x.com/JenniferJJacobs/status/1909626756438380698

    I can't help feel this is a dumb idea.

    Meloni and the EU needs to ignore the US, and to stimulate domestic demand. Continuing to rely on the US's deficit spending is ultimately dumb. (Plus, of course, can you really trust the Trump administration to stick to any deal they sign?)

    I would refuse to engage with the US on trade at all, until tariffs are removed.
    This sounds like a prescription for more of the same that we've had for decades. Since the advent of modern globalisation, there has been a surfeit of cheap goods, and to avoid this making things get cheaper, which is deemed to be disastrous, demand has been boosted to artificially induce inflation.

    Now that the consumer of last resort wants to opt out of the system, it seems like a bad idea for the rest of the West to double down on the policies that have failed.
    It's absolutely hilarious that MAGA supporters are now suddenly against "cheap goods".

    Harris lost the election because of high prices under Biden.

    Trump won because he promised low prices from "Day 1".

    Now, suddenly, it is "cheap goods" meaning low prices that is a problem that needs to be eliminated.
    You misread my post. I’m arguing against stimulating demand to create artificial inflation.
    Why would cheap goods from China create inflation?

    (And what is "artificial" inflation?)
    William is a Trump supporter.
    They have special economics.
  • BlancheLivermoreBlancheLivermore Posts: 6,248
    Taz said:

    Homebrew economics

    My mate and I have spent about £1800 on equipment. We've got a thirty litre mash boiler, and four stainless steel fermenters. Plus various other tubes, filters, buckets

    And bottles

    We bought 250 bottles, and we've been collecting them from mates, but we need more

    We're making about 45 litres a week of really decent tasting, strong ale - between 5.5 and 6% ABV, for about £35 ingredients - so about 40p for each half litre bottle

    If I were to include my labour as a cost, even at third world wages, I'd be better off buying beer. But I'm absolutely loving doing it, and vastly preferring my beer over those I can buy

    We've so far bottled 400 half litre bottles, and we have another 190ish in the fermenters

    I reckon I need to get to about 2000 bottles to make the beer cheaper than the shops, including the cost of the kit

    We're planning to buy bigger kit, to make the work more efficient, and sell our surplus to mates to help cover the capital cost


    It’s great fun. I love making wine from either fresh fruit, ginger or dried fruits. Raisin being a favourite.

    I love the creation process and seeing the fermentation in action.

    I pinch wine bottles from my neighbours bottle bin, with their permission, as well as beer bottles.

    It is just the bottling I find a pain.

    That’s a decent ABV you’re making at. How long does it take from start to bottling.

    I will do three beers this year. Evil Dog DIPA, Caxton Pale Ale, and Razorback IPA.
    About three weeks, bottled halfway through

    Bottling is a PITA, but so much easier since I started baking bottles to sterilise them (with foil over each bottle for an hour at 170⁰c, then sterile until foil is removed)

    I used to clean them as I went along, with steriliser and steam
  • RattersRatters Posts: 1,284

    Bogota said:

    Dow has now sold off 1000 points in just over an hour. Winning.

    Flat on today’s open though.

    Basically all the greedy people who thought a deal would be done and bought in the morning have been flattened.
    Two very volatile days that are (at the time of writing) essentially flat.

    Potentially more interesting is the Vix (a measure of expected market volatility over the next 30 days) is at highs only reached in recent years during Covid and the GFC.
  • TazTaz Posts: 17,401

    Taz said:

    Homebrew economics

    My mate and I have spent about £1800 on equipment. We've got a thirty litre mash boiler, and four stainless steel fermenters. Plus various other tubes, filters, buckets

    And bottles

    We bought 250 bottles, and we've been collecting them from mates, but we need more

    We're making about 45 litres a week of really decent tasting, strong ale - between 5.5 and 6% ABV, for about £35 ingredients - so about 40p for each half litre bottle

    If I were to include my labour as a cost, even at third world wages, I'd be better off buying beer. But I'm absolutely loving doing it, and vastly preferring my beer over those I can buy

    We've so far bottled 400 half litre bottles, and we have another 190ish in the fermenters

    I reckon I need to get to about 2000 bottles to make the beer cheaper than the shops, including the cost of the kit

    We're planning to buy bigger kit, to make the work more efficient, and sell our surplus to mates to help cover the capital cost


    It’s great fun. I love making wine from either fresh fruit, ginger or dried fruits. Raisin being a favourite.

    I love the creation process and seeing the fermentation in action.

    I pinch wine bottles from my neighbours bottle bin, with their permission, as well as beer bottles.

    It is just the bottling I find a pain.

    That’s a decent ABV you’re making at. How long does it take from start to bottling.

    I will do three beers this year. Evil Dog DIPA, Caxton Pale Ale, and Razorback IPA.
    About three weeks, bottled halfway through

    Bottling is a PITA, but so much easier since I started baking bottles to sterilise them (with foil over each bottle for an hour at 170⁰c, then sterile until foil is removed)

    I used to clean them as I went along, with steriliser and steam
    You must have a large oven then. I could not do too many in mine. I use Chem-San no rinse sanitiser and it has been a godsend.

    Three weeks is really quick.

    I’m bottling my beers after three weeks. But I guess your controlled environment is a godsend. I have to use the garage as my wife has a low tolerance of finding home brew in cupboard and under tables indoors.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 55,097

    Bogota said:

    Dow has now sold off 1000 points in just over an hour. Winning.

    Flat on today’s open though.

    Basically all the greedy people who thought a deal would be done and bought in the morning have been flattened.
    The Dow is now up 100 points on the day. As bounce back days go, that's somewhat on the low side.
  • BlancheLivermoreBlancheLivermore Posts: 6,248
    Taz said:

    Taz said:

    Homebrew economics

    My mate and I have spent about £1800 on equipment. We've got a thirty litre mash boiler, and four stainless steel fermenters. Plus various other tubes, filters, buckets

    And bottles

    We bought 250 bottles, and we've been collecting them from mates, but we need more

    We're making about 45 litres a week of really decent tasting, strong ale - between 5.5 and 6% ABV, for about £35 ingredients - so about 40p for each half litre bottle

    If I were to include my labour as a cost, even at third world wages, I'd be better off buying beer. But I'm absolutely loving doing it, and vastly preferring my beer over those I can buy

    We've so far bottled 400 half litre bottles, and we have another 190ish in the fermenters

    I reckon I need to get to about 2000 bottles to make the beer cheaper than the shops, including the cost of the kit

    We're planning to buy bigger kit, to make the work more efficient, and sell our surplus to mates to help cover the capital cost


    It’s great fun. I love making wine from either fresh fruit, ginger or dried fruits. Raisin being a favourite.

    I love the creation process and seeing the fermentation in action.

    I pinch wine bottles from my neighbours bottle bin, with their permission, as well as beer bottles.

    It is just the bottling I find a pain.

    That’s a decent ABV you’re making at. How long does it take from start to bottling.

    I will do three beers this year. Evil Dog DIPA, Caxton Pale Ale, and Razorback IPA.
    About three weeks, bottled halfway through

    Bottling is a PITA, but so much easier since I started baking bottles to sterilise them (with foil over each bottle for an hour at 170⁰c, then sterile until foil is removed)

    I used to clean them as I went along, with steriliser and steam
    You must have a large oven then. I could not do too many in mine. I use Chem-San no rinse sanitiser and it has been a godsend.

    Three weeks is really quick.

    I’m bottling my beers after three weeks. But I guess your controlled environment is a godsend. I have to use the garage as my wife has a low tolerance of finding home brew in cupboard and under tables indoors.
    I can fit eighteen in my oven, my mate can do twenty four

    It's so easy
  • isamisam Posts: 41,214
    edited April 8
    Why were my posts deleted?
  • BlancheLivermoreBlancheLivermore Posts: 6,248
    Taz said:

    Taz said:

    Homebrew economics

    My mate and I have spent about £1800 on equipment. We've got a thirty litre mash boiler, and four stainless steel fermenters. Plus various other tubes, filters, buckets

    And bottles

    We bought 250 bottles, and we've been collecting them from mates, but we need more

    We're making about 45 litres a week of really decent tasting, strong ale - between 5.5 and 6% ABV, for about £35 ingredients - so about 40p for each half litre bottle

    If I were to include my labour as a cost, even at third world wages, I'd be better off buying beer. But I'm absolutely loving doing it, and vastly preferring my beer over those I can buy

    We've so far bottled 400 half litre bottles, and we have another 190ish in the fermenters

    I reckon I need to get to about 2000 bottles to make the beer cheaper than the shops, including the cost of the kit

    We're planning to buy bigger kit, to make the work more efficient, and sell our surplus to mates to help cover the capital cost


    It’s great fun. I love making wine from either fresh fruit, ginger or dried fruits. Raisin being a favourite.

    I love the creation process and seeing the fermentation in action.

    I pinch wine bottles from my neighbours bottle bin, with their permission, as well as beer bottles.

    It is just the bottling I find a pain.

    That’s a decent ABV you’re making at. How long does it take from start to bottling.

    I will do three beers this year. Evil Dog DIPA, Caxton Pale Ale, and Razorback IPA.
    About three weeks, bottled halfway through

    Bottling is a PITA, but so much easier since I started baking bottles to sterilise them (with foil over each bottle for an hour at 170⁰c, then sterile until foil is removed)

    I used to clean them as I went along, with steriliser and steam
    You must have a large oven then. I could not do too many in mine. I use Chem-San no rinse sanitiser and it has been a godsend.

    Three weeks is really quick.

    I’m bottling my beers after three weeks. But I guess your controlled environment is a godsend. I have to use the garage as my wife has a low tolerance of finding home brew in cupboard and under tables indoors.
    I'm sure our beer would be better if it cooked for longer, but it's so good when we drink it after three weeks that it's actually too hard to wait!
  • isamisam Posts: 41,214

    I'd never seen this clip of a younger Starmer before. He says that the court system should become more like a GP's surgery.

    https://www.youtube.com/shorts/WUyMHjXufDw

    Almost inevitably, he later wore the wig and gown
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 31,098
    edited April 8
    isam said:

    Why were my posts deleted?

    While you were away there was a no "taxi drivers" rule due to the potential for litigation. I assume that remains in place.

    It seemed fair enough to me.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 31,098
    edited April 8
    isam said:

    I'd never seen this clip of a younger Starmer before. He says that the court system should become more like a GP's surgery.

    https://www.youtube.com/shorts/WUyMHjXufDw

    Almost inevitably, he later wore the wig and gown
    Quite a DEI ensemble.

    Less inappropriate than the jock strap and waders preferred by some of the 2019 intake.
  • isamisam Posts: 41,214

    isam said:

    Why were my posts deleted?

    While you were away there was a no "taxi drivers" rule due to the potential for litigation. I assume that remains in place.

    It seemed fair enough to me.
    Thanks.

    Seems weird to me
  • MoonRabbitMoonRabbit Posts: 14,067
    edited April 8
    At least 70 panic stricken countries this evening ringing White House phones off hook begging Trump to give them a deal, that they wouldn’t even be thinking of if it wasn’t for Trumps Shock and Awe tactics the last week. EU sending Meloni to negotiate deal for EU. Starmer close to finalising the US trade deal Kemi and Conservatives spent years putting together for UK, and Kemi telling PM to hurry up and sign, for the sake of British jobs and British workers.

    Trump is winning.
  • FairlieredFairliered Posts: 5,529

    We've also started a hop garden

    My mate has a 30m long open fence line that gets sun all day. We've bought fifteen hop plants - three each of Centennial, Cascade, Challenger, Chinook and Mount Hood

    The first is the favourite of our supplier, and we're using the first two in our current beers

    I don't know how much we can produce, but hops are almost a third of our current ingredients cost

    Even if we can't make much, a few brews made with homegrown hops would be awesome

    When they ripen, make a green hop beer, rather than drying them all.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 55,097

    isam said:

    I'd never seen this clip of a younger Starmer before. He says that the court system should become more like a GP's surgery.

    https://www.youtube.com/shorts/WUyMHjXufDw

    Almost inevitably, he later wore the wig and gown
    Quite a DEI ensemble.

    Less inappropriate than the jock strap and waders preferred by some of the 2019 intake.
    I finally start to understand why Baron Alli thought it a good idea to buy his suits for him.
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 22,649
    Taz said:

    My Stepdad was all in favour of reciprocal tariffs from the U.K. on the USA until I pointed out that he would end up paying more for his weekly bottle of JD.

    He’s a bit of an old soak, but a decent chap.

    We should impose a supertax on American gut-rot.

    British spirits for British drinkers.
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 22,827
    edited April 8

    At least 70 panic stricken countries this evening ringing White House phones off hook begging Trump to give them a deal, that they wouldn’t even be thinking of if it wasn’t for Trumps Shock and Awe tactics the last week. EU sending Meloni to negotiate deal for EU. Starmer close to finalising the US trade deal Kemi and Conservatives spent years putting together for UK, and Kemi telling PM to hurry up and sign, for the sake of British jobs and British workers.

    Trump is winning.

    Well yeah, when you're the default global currency you can pretty much do what you want. So Trump is indeed likely to "win" but win at what cost?

    He's proved the rest of the world the US is in unreliable economic and military partner. America looks no better than an economic terrorist and we still can't be sure if all this is going to end up in great crash and recession or even a depression.

    But when you're Trump I guess a win's a win regardless of the consequences...
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 31,098
    isam said:

    isam said:

    Why were my posts deleted?

    While you were away there was a no "taxi drivers" rule due to the potential for litigation. I assume that remains in place.

    It seemed fair enough to me.
    Thanks.

    Seems weird to me
    Not if such discussion puts Mike in legal peril.
  • OmniumOmnium Posts: 11,450
    What the hell did we do!? I think that in failing to win over the upstarts in 1775 we created a monster.

    Item #1 - The gutting of the Empire is clearly an American achievement - assisted by the Germans.

    Item #2 - Culture

    Item #3 - Civilisation

    Item #4 - Values

    It's item 4 that really hurts.

  • isamisam Posts: 41,214

    isam said:

    isam said:

    Why were my posts deleted?

    While you were away there was a no "taxi drivers" rule due to the potential for litigation. I assume that remains in place.

    It seemed fair enough to me.
    Thanks.

    Seems weird to me
    Not if such discussion puts Mike in legal peril.
    Tweets from Dan Hodges and a Tory MP?
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 31,098
    isam said:

    isam said:

    isam said:

    Why were my posts deleted?

    While you were away there was a no "taxi drivers" rule due to the potential for litigation. I assume that remains in place.

    It seemed fair enough to me.
    Thanks.

    Seems weird to me
    Not if such discussion puts Mike in legal peril.
    Tweets from Dan Hodges and a Tory MP?
    The rule was hard and fast with no exceptions.
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 22,649
    We need some collective action.

    Boycott American goods.

    Boycott American cinema, TV and music.

    Don't travel to the US, and if you really must go, don't fly on an American airline.

    And insist that it is sulphur. Not sulfur.
  • RazedabodeRazedabode Posts: 3,101
    GIN1138 said:

    At least 70 panic stricken countries this evening ringing White House phones off hook begging Trump to give them a deal, that they wouldn’t even be thinking of if it wasn’t for Trumps Shock and Awe tactics the last week. EU sending Meloni to negotiate deal for EU. Starmer close to finalising the US trade deal Kemi and Conservatives spent years putting together for UK, and Kemi telling PM to hurry up and sign, for the sake of British jobs and British workers.

    Trump is winning.

    Well yeah, when you're the default global currency you can pretty much do what you want. So Trump is indeed likely to "win" but win at what cost?

    He's proved the rest of the world the US is in unreliable economic and military partner. America looks no better than an economic terrorist and we still can't be sure if all this is going to end up in great crash and recession or even a depression.

    But when you're Trump I guess a win's a win regardless of the consequences...
    Exactly. Countries will be pivoting away from America

    And how is that Ukraine / Russia peace deal coming along? The one Trump would sort almost immediately?
  • OmniumOmnium Posts: 11,450

    We need some collective action.

    Boycott American goods.

    Boycott American cinema, TV and music.

    Don't travel to the US, and if you really must go, don't fly on an American airline.

    And insist that it is sulphur. Not sulfur.

    Tricky ground on Aluminium though.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 31,098

    We need some collective action.



    Don't fly on an American airline.

    .

    Probably a very wise safety tip.
  • BogotaBogota Posts: 119
    GIN1138 said:

    At least 70 panic stricken countries this evening ringing White House phones off hook begging Trump to give them a deal, that they wouldn’t even be thinking of if it wasn’t for Trumps Shock and Awe tactics the last week. EU sending Meloni to negotiate deal for EU. Starmer close to finalising the US trade deal Kemi and Conservatives spent years putting together for UK, and Kemi telling PM to hurry up and sign, for the sake of British jobs and British workers.

    Trump is winning.

    Well yeah, when you're the default global currency you can pretty much do what you want. So Trump is indeed likely to "win" but win at what cost?

    He's proved the rest of the world the US is in unreliable economic and military partner. America looks no better than an economic terrorist and we still can't be sure if all this is going to end up in great crash and recession or even a depression.

    But when you're Trump I guess a win's a win regardless of the consequences...
    Trump is basically amoral. Its all about not being a loser in his own little mind. If that means destroying 50 years of trade relationships so be it.
  • RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 29,770

    GIN1138 said:

    At least 70 panic stricken countries this evening ringing White House phones off hook begging Trump to give them a deal, that they wouldn’t even be thinking of if it wasn’t for Trumps Shock and Awe tactics the last week. EU sending Meloni to negotiate deal for EU. Starmer close to finalising the US trade deal Kemi and Conservatives spent years putting together for UK, and Kemi telling PM to hurry up and sign, for the sake of British jobs and British workers.

    Trump is winning.

    Well yeah, when you're the default global currency you can pretty much do what you want. So Trump is indeed likely to "win" but win at what cost?

    He's proved the rest of the world the US is in unreliable economic and military partner. America looks no better than an economic terrorist and we still can't be sure if all this is going to end up in great crash and recession or even a depression.

    But when you're Trump I guess a win's a win regardless of the consequences...
    Exactly. Countries will be pivoting away from America

    And how is that Ukraine / Russia peace deal coming along? The one Trump would sort almost immediately?
    "Trump is winning" was missing the word "not"

    3rd world countries desperate for a deal. They *cannot* remove their *tariff* as they either would have to stop selling Nikes to Murica or buy American crap they don't want and can't afford. So even if a deal is done, it will be a Massive Climb Down by Trump.

    Big important countries? You think the EU is about scrap VAT on US products and pay "reparations"?. Moonrabbit was blowing smoke I'm afraid.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 54,034

    Homebrew economics

    My mate and I have spent about £1800 on equipment. We've got a thirty litre mash boiler, and four stainless steel fermenters. Plus various other tubes, filters, buckets

    And bottles

    We bought 250 bottles, and we've been collecting them from mates, but we need more

    We're making about 45 litres a week of really decent tasting, strong ale - between 5.5 and 6% ABV, for about £35 ingredients - so about 40p for each half litre bottle

    If I were to include my labour as a cost, even at third world wages, I'd be better off buying beer. But I'm absolutely loving doing it, and vastly preferring my beer over those I can buy

    We've so far bottled 400 half litre bottles, and we have another 190ish in the fermenters

    I reckon I need to get to about 2000 bottles to make the beer cheaper than the shops, including the cost of the kit

    We're planning to buy bigger kit, to make the work more efficient, and sell our surplus to mates to help cover the capital cost


    What name have you given it? Beware of the Dog? First Post?
    When I was living in Wiltshire there was a local beer called Bluto’s Revenge. One local chap, in the pub was allowed snakebite made with the stuff. Which he combined with the aptly named local scrumpy cider - Skull Buggerer.

    He was an interesting individual - best observed from a distance. Preferably the other side of some thick Lexan sheeting, probably
  • TazTaz Posts: 17,401

    Taz said:

    My Stepdad was all in favour of reciprocal tariffs from the U.K. on the USA until I pointed out that he would end up paying more for his weekly bottle of JD.

    He’s a bit of an old soak, but a decent chap.

    We should impose a supertax on American gut-rot.

    British spirits for British drinkers.
    I’m rather partial to East European and Mediterranean spirits personally, apart from Ouzo. So fine by me.

    JD is overrated.
  • AnneJGPAnneJGP Posts: 3,371

    isam said:

    Why were my posts deleted?

    While you were away there was a no "taxi drivers" rule due to the potential for litigation. I assume that remains in place.

    It seemed fair enough to me.
    I missed that one, thanks for the heads-up. Not that I often take taxis.
  • TimSTimS Posts: 14,817

    We need some collective action.



    Don't fly on an American airline.

    .

    Probably a very wise safety tip.
    2 flights on United coming up this Thursday.

    But I’m consistently good at avoiding baseball references in work. We need to enforce a complete boycott of baseball terminology, and introduce more cricket, rugby and football into biz jargon.

    Out with touch base, circle back, wheelhouse, curveball, three strikes and you’re out; in with close of play, sticky wicket, straight bat, stumped, open goal, kicked into touch, back of the net, and scrum teams.
  • eekeek Posts: 29,682

    isam said:

    isam said:

    isam said:

    Why were my posts deleted?

    While you were away there was a no "taxi drivers" rule due to the potential for litigation. I assume that remains in place.

    It seemed fair enough to me.
    Thanks.

    Seems weird to me
    Not if such discussion puts Mike in legal peril.
    Tweets from Dan Hodges and a Tory MP?
    The rule was hard and fast with no exceptions.
    Worth saying thats because the tweets would trigger comments and the comments is where the risk is.

    So while the ban seems illogical it actually makes sense - we just don't talk about it.
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 22,649
    TimS said:

    We need some collective action.



    Don't fly on an American airline.

    .

    Probably a very wise safety tip.
    2 flights on United coming up this Thursday.

    But I’m consistently good at avoiding baseball references in work. We need to enforce a complete boycott of baseball terminology, and introduce more cricket, rugby and football into biz jargon.

    Out with touch base, circle back, wheelhouse, curveball, three strikes and you’re out; in with close of play, sticky wicket, straight bat, stumped, open goal, kicked into touch, back of the net, and scrum teams.
    That's a bit of a left-field idea.
  • BogotaBogota Posts: 119
    No single person should have the power to do what Trump is doing right now unilaterally dictating world trade & fucking with the world economy. No person should have that power. Certainly not in this country. Shame on u Congressional Republicans for giving it to him. Shame on u.
    3:22 PM · Apr 8, 2025
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    https://x.com/WalshFreedom/status/1909612727070577051
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