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  • TheValiantTheValiant Posts: 1,932

    We may not like it, but Trump has so far done everything he said he'd do.

    Er...made America great again?
    Well.... apart from that.... obviously.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 65,154
    MAGA cultists now reduced to saying money doesn't matter.

  • eekeek Posts: 29,554

    Well, wait a darn gone minute: what's Ted Cruz up to?

    Preparing to be able to say told you so and it had nowt to do with me in 2028/32 (in 32 if he's got any sense, so he's going to run in 28).
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 53,866

    nico67 said:

    China can better weather any downturn than the USA . More scope to expand its trading routes seeing as the USA is burning its bridges with many countries . It’s much easier to suppress any dissent even though Trump is trying to catch up there ! The USA is burning political capital at a rate never seen before in recent history .

    Plus Chinese internal consumption is pants. They could somehow engineer forcing the massive savings of this generation of chinese onto spending on their own stuff rather than just exporting it all. Gives them more breathing space.

    And to be fair to Trump's more cogent financial supporters this is one of the issues.
    The idea that China can pivot on a dime to selling internally doesn’t work. The whole setup is about export. Which means there will be an emphasis on non-US markets. I’m thinking 2 months before the complaints of dumping appear in Europe.
  • eekeek Posts: 29,554

    nico67 said:

    China can better weather any downturn than the USA . More scope to expand its trading routes seeing as the USA is burning its bridges with many countries . It’s much easier to suppress any dissent even though Trump is trying to catch up there ! The USA is burning political capital at a rate never seen before in recent history .

    Plus Chinese internal consumption is pants. They could somehow engineer forcing the massive savings of this generation of chinese onto spending on their own stuff rather than just exporting it all. Gives them more breathing space.

    And to be fair to Trump's more cogent financial supporters this is one of the issues.
    The idea that China can pivot on a dime to selling internally doesn’t work. The whole setup is about export. Which means there will be an emphasis on non-US markets. I’m thinking 2 months before the complaints of dumping appear in Europe.
    That's going to be the issue - if China dumps stock into the EU (and it will take 3-4 months I think before it's obvious) and the EU raises tariffs then it's all bets off. I suspect the EU will be careful though and any tariffs would be very targetted.
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 30,488
    Nigelb said:

    Any chance we could give poor ScottP an enforced rest from PB for his own mental health? I don't even remember this level of pebble dash spam following the Brexit vote.

    Why don't you just ignore rather than demand a ban? I just scroll past your Trussian logic posts.
    I don't read the content, but I am somewhat bothered by the sheer volume. I am not particular fond of being a target for spam of any kind. Sometimes the odd shared thought from social media that someone feels is interesting or illuminating can be interesting - a flood is not.
    None of us are universally popular, but there's something of a consensus that seeking the removal of those one doesn't appreciate is undesirable.
    I agree. I don't want him banned - a time out was my suggestion.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 65,154

    nico67 said:

    China can better weather any downturn than the USA . More scope to expand its trading routes seeing as the USA is burning its bridges with many countries . It’s much easier to suppress any dissent even though Trump is trying to catch up there ! The USA is burning political capital at a rate never seen before in recent history .

    Plus Chinese internal consumption is pants. They could somehow engineer forcing the massive savings of this generation of chinese onto spending on their own stuff rather than just exporting it all. Gives them more breathing space.

    And to be fair to Trump's more cogent financial supporters this is one of the issues.
    The idea that China can pivot on a dime to selling internally doesn’t work. The whole setup is about export. Which means there will be an emphasis on non-US markets. I’m thinking 2 months before the complaints of dumping appear in Europe.
    I agree China can't pivot immediately. But at some point they are going to have to allow more internal consumption.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 53,866

    nico67 said:

    China can better weather any downturn than the USA . More scope to expand its trading routes seeing as the USA is burning its bridges with many countries . It’s much easier to suppress any dissent even though Trump is trying to catch up there ! The USA is burning political capital at a rate never seen before in recent history .

    Plus Chinese internal consumption is pants. They could somehow engineer forcing the massive savings of this generation of chinese onto spending on their own stuff rather than just exporting it all. Gives them more breathing space.

    And to be fair to Trump's more cogent financial supporters this is one of the issues.
    The idea that China can pivot on a dime to selling internally doesn’t work. The whole setup is about export. Which means there will be an emphasis on non-US markets. I’m thinking 2 months before the complaints of dumping appear in Europe.
    I agree China can't pivot immediately. But at some point they are going to have to allow more internal consumption.
    The problem there is that the Chinese government wants to keep their consumption lean. They see it as part of their economic strength.
  • RogerRoger Posts: 20,302

    Roger said:

    isam said:

    Foxy said:

    isam said:

    He’s swum against the tide of centrist opinion before and been right… 😳

    Thats true. Didn't Brand describe Farage as "a Poundshop Enoch Powell" on BBC Question time?

    Still, a stopped watch etc.
    Most of the centre-left probably still think Russell “the alleged comedian” Brand is a nicer bloke than Farage.

    I wonder what James O’Brien thinks of him now

    My guess is he will almost certainly be found not guilty. The British public like celebs and attractive personalities are rarely found guilty. As it happens he's not a lefty anymore
    In what way is he an "attractive personality"? He's a c***, sometimes a funny c***, but a c*** all the same. I don't assume that people who make me laugh are nice people.
    It's just the way it is. Not an Al Fayed or a Rolf Harris or a Harvey Weinstein but when you get to people like Kevin Spacey or Johnny Depp or even Russell Brand juries will decide whether they like them and based on that whether they think they should or should not spend many years in jail.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 34,154
    What's the plan to stop Farage from becoming the next PM?
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 54,519
    https://x.com/trump_repost/status/1908302198586696107

    Big business is not worried about the Tariffs, because they know they are here to stay, but they are focused on the BIG, BEAUTIFUL DEAL, which will SUPERCHARGE our Economy. Very important. Going on right now!!!
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 126,592
    Andy_JS said:

    What's the plan to stop Farage from becoming the next PM?

    Suck up to Kemi Badenoch? In most polls either her or Davey will hold the balance of power, albeit FON gives a tiny Reform majority
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 59,075
    edited April 4

    https://x.com/trump_repost/status/1908302198586696107

    Big business is not worried about the Tariffs, because they know they are here to stay, but they are focused on the BIG, BEAUTIFUL DEAL, which will SUPERCHARGE our Economy. Very important. Going on right now!!!

    With whom is this deal?

    Edit to add: I presume this is like his amazing plan that is going to replace Obamacare.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 126,592
    GIN1138 said:

    rcs1000 said:

    A reminder of the Presidential election that followed Herbert Hoover's signing of the last big US tariff package:


    Is there an FDR waiting in the wings for the Dems, though?
    Any Democrat would have won in 1932.

    To win next time though they need US cost of living to rise by more than the number of any new manufacturing jobs created
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 126,592
    Roger said:

    Roger said:

    isam said:

    Foxy said:

    isam said:

    He’s swum against the tide of centrist opinion before and been right… 😳

    Thats true. Didn't Brand describe Farage as "a Poundshop Enoch Powell" on BBC Question time?

    Still, a stopped watch etc.
    Most of the centre-left probably still think Russell “the alleged comedian” Brand is a nicer bloke than Farage.

    I wonder what James O’Brien thinks of him now

    My guess is he will almost certainly be found not guilty. The British public like celebs and attractive personalities are rarely found guilty. As it happens he's not a lefty anymore
    In what way is he an "attractive personality"? He's a c***, sometimes a funny c***, but a c*** all the same. I don't assume that people who make me laugh are nice people.
    It's just the way it is. Not an Al Fayed or a Rolf Harris or a Harvey Weinstein but when you get to people like Kevin Spacey or Johnny Depp or even Russell Brand juries will decide whether they like them and based on that whether they think they should or should not spend many years in jail.
    One downside of jury trials, they should reach a verdict solely on the evidence, not whether they like the defendant or not
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 59,075
    edited April 4

    rcs1000 said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Barnesian said:

    Today, for the first time on Betfair, the Democrats are favourites to win the Presidential election in 2028.

    Vance is sinking. Now 4.7.

    If businesses restructure their operations because of the tariffs, then they will be vulnerable if tariffs are removed, so the electoral politics of it by the time of the next election might not be what you'd expect today.
    How did the Republicans do in the Presidential election after the Smoot-Hawley tariffs?
    This isn't comparable to the Smoot-Hawley era because back then, tariffs were already relatively high and the US had a trade surplus.
    You are right.

    This is worse. This takes tariffs to a higher level than after Smoot-Hawley, and from a lower previous level. So the shock to the system will likely be much greater.
    On the other hand, this is a far, far more fluid world of trade links, technology, air travel, shipping, "sophisticated" finance, supply chains, speed of setting up a factory etc

    The speed at which the rest of the world will adjust to the Trump trade virus is going to be many times faster and more honed than the 1920s.

    Musk may come to regret dumping his German battery tesla project.
    Do remember, though, that if you want to build a factory, you will need the machines that make things: i.e. capital goods.

    If you want to start a factory, you need capital goods - you need the machines that make up the production line. And if you've ever been to a Tesla factory, you will realise that absolutely all that equipment is... Japanese, Swiss and German. It's:

    Fanuc
    ABB
    Kuka
    Siemens
    Trumpf
    Bosch
    Omron

    etc

    The first result of reindustrialisation is an almighty trade deficit with Germany. (See China.)
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 54,519
    rcs1000 said:

    https://x.com/trump_repost/status/1908302198586696107

    Big business is not worried about the Tariffs, because they know they are here to stay, but they are focused on the BIG, BEAUTIFUL DEAL, which will SUPERCHARGE our Economy. Very important. Going on right now!!!

    With whom is this deal?

    Edit to add: I presume this is like his amazing plan that is going to replace Obamacare.
    I think he's channelling Kate Bush: If I only could, I'd make a deal with God.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 34,154
    It's difficult to say whether voters these days care most about money or culture/society. There will always be one level on which money is the most important thing in life for most people, but you get the feeling that it isn't so much the only thing that matters like it did 10 or 20 years ago.
  • StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 9,621

    Nigelb said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Nigelb said:

    Practice run for 2026

    North Carolina judges back Republican colleague in bid to toss votes and overturn election
    Appeals court sides with Jefferson Griffin, who lost supreme court election and wants thousands of ballots thrown out
    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/apr/04/north-carolina-court-ballots-republicans

    That is insane.
    Sanity is in short supply in the US right now.
    Time for the Dems to introduce their new, Trumpian-derived slogan.
    MASA - Make America Sane Again.
    They might win back the south with that slogan

    Yes, MASA!
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 54,519
    Important interview with Scott Bessent defending Trump’s economic strategy:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zLnX1SQfgJI
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 59,075

    nico67 said:

    China can better weather any downturn than the USA . More scope to expand its trading routes seeing as the USA is burning its bridges with many countries . It’s much easier to suppress any dissent even though Trump is trying to catch up there ! The USA is burning political capital at a rate never seen before in recent history .

    Plus Chinese internal consumption is pants. They could somehow engineer forcing the massive savings of this generation of chinese onto spending on their own stuff rather than just exporting it all. Gives them more breathing space.

    And to be fair to Trump's more cogent financial supporters this is one of the issues.
    The idea that China can pivot on a dime to selling internally doesn’t work. The whole setup is about export. Which means there will be an emphasis on non-US markets. I’m thinking 2 months before the complaints of dumping appear in Europe.
    I agree China can't pivot immediately. But at some point they are going to have to allow more internal consumption.
    The problem there is that the Chinese government wants to keep their consumption lean. They see it as part of their economic strength.
    When it makes them weaker, because it makes them dependent on external demand.

    Idiots.

    (And the Germans were no better: fortunately, at least the Germans seem to have started getting the message.)
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 59,075
    Nate Silver has a typically balanced piece on Trump's tariff strategy: https://substack.com/home/post/p-160585197?source=queue
  • vikvik Posts: 179

    nico67 said:

    How can businesses relocate operations to the USA when they have no idea if these tariffs will last longer term .

    Businesses need stability and not be held to ransom by Trumps mood swings .

    Precisely. They need a bipartisan commitment to Make America Great Again.

    Trump will shift the Democrats against free trade.
    Why the hell would the Democrats support Trump & his insane tariffs ?

    60% of Americans disapprove of the way that Trump is handling tariffs. It is the absolute best issue on which to attack Trump.

    https://apnews.com/article/trump-poll-immigration-tariffs-trade-b7a430909606d6b8b27cfbc5049a32b4
  • kjhkjh Posts: 12,395
    edited 2:31AM

    Nigelb said:

    Any chance we could give poor ScottP an enforced rest from PB for his own mental health? I don't even remember this level of pebble dash spam following the Brexit vote.

    Why don't you just ignore rather than demand a ban? I just scroll past your Trussian logic posts.
    I don't read the content, but I am somewhat bothered by the sheer volume. I am not particular fond of being a target for spam of any kind. Sometimes the odd shared thought from social media that someone feels is interesting or illuminating can be interesting - a flood is not.
    None of us are universally popular, but there's something of a consensus that seeking the removal of those one doesn't appreciate is undesirable.
    I agree. I don't want him banned - a time out was my suggestion.
    'an enforced rest' is what you said. How is that not a ban (even if temporary)? How about we suggest you should have an 'enforced rest '. Is that ok then? How would you feel about being censored, because we didn't like your posts?
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 45,127

    rcs1000 said:

    https://x.com/trump_repost/status/1908302198586696107

    Big business is not worried about the Tariffs, because they know they are here to stay, but they are focused on the BIG, BEAUTIFUL DEAL, which will SUPERCHARGE our Economy. Very important. Going on right now!!!

    With whom is this deal?

    Edit to add: I presume this is like his amazing plan that is going to replace Obamacare.
    I think he's channelling Kate Bush: If I only could, I'd make a deal with God.
    A song that, IIRC, has its title changed because of Yanks not liking the original "A Deal with God"
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 45,127
    eek said:

    Roger said:

    isam said:

    Foxy said:

    isam said:

    He’s swum against the tide of centrist opinion before and been right… 😳

    Thats true. Didn't Brand describe Farage as "a Poundshop Enoch Powell" on BBC Question time?

    Still, a stopped watch etc.
    Most of the centre-left probably still think Russell “the alleged comedian” Brand is a nicer bloke than Farage.

    I wonder what James O’Brien thinks of him now

    My guess is he will almost certainly be found not guilty. The British public like celebs and attractive personalities are rarely found guilty. As it happens he's not a lefty anymore
    I'm not so sure - it's 12 independent people on a jury and I suspect that his victims will have a consistent enough story that he's found guilty.

    And given the stories I've heard via the other PB he's as guilty as f***...
    "the other PB...." ? ;)
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 45,127
    Nigelb said:

    Nigelb said:

    Wow, he lives there ?

    Yoon goes back to his home at Acrovista, leaving the presidential residence. This luxury apartment complex was built where Sampoong Department Store collapsed due to shoddy construction in 1995. More than 500 people were killed, but now you can see only fancy buildings here.
    https://x.com/gimyejin/status/1908201131139899745

    That would be a bit like a luxury development on the Grenfell footprint.

    The memorial is 4km away.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sampoong_Department_Store_collapse
    ...The families of the victims requested that a memorial be built on the site, but it was opposed by the Seochu District government, forcing the Seoul Metropolitan Government to mediate the dispute. In a controversial move, the memorial was built elsewhere and the land sold off to a private developer...
    The Sampoong Department Store collapse is one of the failures that should be taught to all civil engineering and architecture students, along with the Tay Bridge disaster, the Hyatt Regency walkway collapse, the Quebec Bridge collapses (*) and perhaps, in the future, Grenfell.

    Expanding into another form of engineering, Therac 25.

    Useful lessons can be learnt from all of them. Sometimes I wish the Canadian "Iron Ring" approach was more widespread. A kind of Hippocratic oath for engineers...

    (*) A bridge that collapsed twice during construction, killing workers both times.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 54,245

    Barnesian said:

    Today, for the first time on Betfair, the Democrats are favourites to win the Presidential election in 2028.

    Vance is sinking. Now 4.7.

    We aren’t going to have the midterms, never mind the 2028 GE
    Collapsing democracy by collapsing the economy.

    The President is dead, long live the King. (George III?).
    There seems to be a shared madness.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 26,238
    edited 5:31AM
    MattW said:

    isam said:

    Foxy said:

    isam said:

    He’s swum against the tide of centrist opinion before and been right… 😳

    Thats true. Didn't Brand describe Farage as "a Poundshop Enoch Powell" on BBC Question time?

    Still, a stopped watch etc.
    Most of the centre-left probably still think Russell “the alleged comedian” Brand is a nicer bloke than Farage.

    I wonder what James O’Brien thinks of him now

    I'm not sure if this is about political position.

    For me, it was crystal clear that Russell Brand was unmitigated, narcissistic shit when he and Jonathan Ross made their deliberately personally abusive phone calls to Andrew Sachs in 2008. They chose to reach into an individual's private sphere and inflict abuse for shits and giggles; that's not acceptable then or now.

    It was an action of self-regarding individuals who thought that they had a position meant they could exploit their position, and did not consider the impact of their behaviour, or that the people they were abusing deserved respect.

    I don't see much difference their between that and the psychology of carrying out
    sexual offences. IMO the difference is one of degree.

    If guilty, and we can't comment on that much due to sub judice, Brand was on the same track in his privately abusive behaviour as in his public behaviour. Jonathon Ross, seemingly, was not.
    Typos - sorry !

    "there"
    "Jonathan"
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 50,825

    eek said:

    Roger said:

    isam said:

    Foxy said:

    isam said:

    He’s swum against the tide of centrist opinion before and been right… 😳

    Thats true. Didn't Brand describe Farage as "a Poundshop Enoch Powell" on BBC Question time?

    Still, a stopped watch etc.
    Most of the centre-left probably still think Russell “the alleged comedian” Brand is a nicer bloke than Farage.

    I wonder what James O’Brien thinks of him now

    My guess is he will almost certainly be found not guilty. The British public like celebs and attractive personalities are rarely found guilty. As it happens he's not a lefty anymore
    I'm not so sure - it's 12 independent people on a jury and I suspect that his victims will have a consistent enough story that he's found guilty.

    And given the stories I've heard via the other PB he's as guilty as f***...
    "the other PB...." ? ;)
    Pop Bitch.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 26,238
    On the attempts to exclude votes after the North Carolina Justice ballot, links:

    Mark Elias interviewing the Judge:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8HfXI4d1byk

    Democracy Docket:https://www.democracydocket.com/news-alerts/nc-voters-must-fix-ballots-in-15-days-court-rules/

    Hampson noted that the majority’s ruling imposes a remedy on the issue “without thought or care for its impact on the people its decision truly impacts: the voters.” He described a host of scenarios in which people’s vote will be disenfranchised: voters who died since election day, voters who have moved since election day, servicemembers living abroad in unsafe locations who are “unable to jump through the judicial hoops the majority now puts in their way.
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 62,395
    Good morning, everyone.

    But does America have the equivalent of Men in Grey Suits?
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 50,825
    Carney advert on the housing shortage. Impressive presentation.

    https://bsky.app/profile/mark-carney.bsky.social/post/3llz5p26ydc2j
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 73,119

    Good morning, everyone.

    But does America have the equivalent of Men in Grey Suits?

    It's not men in grey suits but men in white coats that are needed.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 54,959
    rcs1000 said:

    Nate Silver has a typically balanced piece on Trump's tariff strategy: https://substack.com/home/post/p-160585197?source=queue

    Good piece, thanks for the link. I think it does show some of the thinking behind the policy though. Basically, companies whose output is US based have done better, those providing essentials have done better and those reliant on large scale imports have been hardest hit. If you are really serious about eliminating a trade deficit that is ok.

    Not exactly pain free though. A majority expecting a recession this year is the real alarm bell.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 26,238
    edited 6:04AM

    Good morning, everyone.

    But does America have the equivalent of Men in Grey Suits?

    They have men in paramilitary uniforms, in unmarked cars, who disappear people.

    https://youtu.be/x_-gV7m6hlY?t=47

    (This was the Phd Student will full legal permissions, who had it seems written an op-ed in a student paper supporting divestment from Israel. She was denied asthma medication in detention. The authorities accused her of "engaging in activities in support of Hamas".)

    https://www.thecrimson.com/article/2025/4/4/editorial-harvard-tufts-graduate-international-student/)

  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 54,959
    Foxy said:

    Carney advert on the housing shortage. Impressive presentation.

    https://bsky.app/profile/mark-carney.bsky.social/post/3llz5p26ydc2j

    And a powerful boost to domestic demand using Canadian timber to offset the impact of tariffs. Smart. Very, very smart.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 26,238
    edited 6:10AM
    MattW said:

    Good morning, everyone.

    But does America have the equivalent of Men in Grey Suits?

    They have men in paramilitary uniforms, in unmarked cars, who disappear people.

    https://youtu.be/x_-gV7m6hlY?t=47

    (This was the Phd Student will full legal permissions, who had it seems written an op-ed in a student paper supporting divestment from Israel. She was denied asthma medication in detention. The authorities accused her of "engaging in activities in support of Hamas".)

    https://www.thecrimson.com/article/2025/4/4/editorial-harvard-tufts-graduate-international-student/)
    Missed a bit. The student was then renditioned 1500 miles away, in violation of a Court Order.

    We need to begin objecting to human rights violations in the USA, as we ritually do in China.
  • Peter_the_PunterPeter_the_Punter Posts: 14,588
    HYUFD said:

    Roger said:

    Roger said:

    isam said:

    Foxy said:

    isam said:

    He’s swum against the tide of centrist opinion before and been right… 😳

    Thats true. Didn't Brand describe Farage as "a Poundshop Enoch Powell" on BBC Question time?

    Still, a stopped watch etc.
    Most of the centre-left probably still think Russell “the alleged comedian” Brand is a nicer bloke than Farage.

    I wonder what James O’Brien thinks of him now

    My guess is he will almost certainly be found not guilty. The British public like celebs and attractive personalities are rarely found guilty. As it happens he's not a lefty anymore
    In what way is he an "attractive personality"? He's a c***, sometimes a funny c***, but a c*** all the same. I don't assume that people who make me laugh are nice people.
    It's just the way it is. Not an Al Fayed or a Rolf Harris or a Harvey Weinstein but when you get to people like Kevin Spacey or Johnny Depp or even Russell Brand juries will decide whether they like them and based on that whether they think they should or should not spend many years in jail.
    One downside of jury trials, they should reach a verdict solely on the evidence, not whether they like the defendant or not
    You have evidently never sat on a jury. :(

  • kamskikamski Posts: 6,293
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 54,959
    MattW said:

    MattW said:

    Good morning, everyone.

    But does America have the equivalent of Men in Grey Suits?

    They have men in paramilitary uniforms, in unmarked cars, who disappear people.

    https://youtu.be/x_-gV7m6hlY?t=47

    (This was the Phd Student will full legal permissions, who had it seems written an op-ed in a student paper supporting divestment from Israel. She was denied asthma medication in detention. The authorities accused her of "engaging in activities in support of Hamas".)

    https://www.thecrimson.com/article/2025/4/4/editorial-harvard-tufts-graduate-international-student/)
    Missed a bit. The student was then renditioned 1500 miles away, in violation of a Court Order.

    We need to begin objecting to human rights violations in the USA, as we ritually do in China.
    It does put their concerns about our alleged lack of free speech into perspective, doesn’t it?

    I am not going near the US whilst this lunatic and his sidekick are in charge.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 73,119

    HYUFD said:

    Roger said:

    Roger said:

    isam said:

    Foxy said:

    isam said:

    He’s swum against the tide of centrist opinion before and been right… 😳

    Thats true. Didn't Brand describe Farage as "a Poundshop Enoch Powell" on BBC Question time?

    Still, a stopped watch etc.
    Most of the centre-left probably still think Russell “the alleged comedian” Brand is a nicer bloke than Farage.

    I wonder what James O’Brien thinks of him now

    My guess is he will almost certainly be found not guilty. The British public like celebs and attractive personalities are rarely found guilty. As it happens he's not a lefty anymore
    In what way is he an "attractive personality"? He's a c***, sometimes a funny c***, but a c*** all the same. I don't assume that people who make me laugh are nice people.
    It's just the way it is. Not an Al Fayed or a Rolf Harris or a Harvey Weinstein but when you get to people like Kevin Spacey or Johnny Depp or even Russell Brand juries will decide whether they like them and based on that whether they think they should or should not spend many years in jail.
    One downside of jury trials, they should reach a verdict solely on the evidence, not whether they like the defendant or not
    You have evidently never sat on a jury. :(

    Perhaps he missed the bus because he was looking for a ferry?
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 50,825
    DavidL said:

    Foxy said:

    Carney advert on the housing shortage. Impressive presentation.

    https://bsky.app/profile/mark-carney.bsky.social/post/3llz5p26ydc2j

    And a powerful boost to domestic demand using Canadian timber to offset the impact of tariffs. Smart. Very, very smart.
    I think we had Canadian cedar prefabs before*.

    Let's talk to Canada about a joint deal, using Canadian materials manufactured into housing domestically.

    *skip the asbestos cladding this time.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 121,440

    NEW THREAD

  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 50,825
    HYUFD said:

    Roger said:

    Roger said:

    isam said:

    Foxy said:

    isam said:

    He’s swum against the tide of centrist opinion before and been right… 😳

    Thats true. Didn't Brand describe Farage as "a Poundshop Enoch Powell" on BBC Question time?

    Still, a stopped watch etc.
    Most of the centre-left probably still think Russell “the alleged comedian” Brand is a nicer bloke than Farage.

    I wonder what James O’Brien thinks of him now

    My guess is he will almost certainly be found not guilty. The British public like celebs and attractive personalities are rarely found guilty. As it happens he's not a lefty anymore
    In what way is he an "attractive personality"? He's a c***, sometimes a funny c***, but a c*** all the same. I don't assume that people who make me laugh are nice people.
    It's just the way it is. Not an Al Fayed or a Rolf Harris or a Harvey Weinstein but when you get to people like Kevin Spacey or Johnny Depp or even Russell Brand juries will decide whether they like them and based on that whether they think they should or should not spend many years in jail.
    One downside of jury trials, they should reach a verdict solely on the evidence, not whether they like the defendant or not
    No they shouldn't. If cases are purely decided on evidence then we don't need juries at all, just a judge.

    The whole point of Juries is to sense check justice by the use of ordinary folk. It is a key part of how we resist judicial oppression.

    Sure it's imperfect, but it is a vital protection of our civil rights.
  • CJohnCJohn Posts: 78
    isam said:

    Foxy said:

    isam said:

    He’s swum against the tide of centrist opinion before and been right… 😳

    Thats true. Didn't Brand describe Farage as "a Poundshop Enoch Powell" on BBC Question time?

    Still, a stopped watch etc.
    Most of the centre-left probably still think Russell “the alleged comedian” Brand is a nicer bloke than Farage.

    I wonder what James O’Brien thinks of him now

    This is bullshit.

    All those on the centre-left I know think Brand is a disgusting criminal.
    Farage is a political opponent.

    Btw Russell Brand is nowadays on the populist right.

    Se
  • kamskikamski Posts: 6,293
    kamski said:
    The Left equal to the Greens (11%) in the same poll.

    Of course people are disappointed that the election was over 2 months ago and nothing has changed. Merz promised to complete coalition negotiations in record time, but it's just yet another broken promise from Merz before he has even taken office. The man is seen as completely untrustworthy, as we as arrogant, thin skinned and out of touch.

    It may be that when the new government actually gets going CDU/CSU will get a boost in the polls - they at least will have some money to play with by increasing government debt.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 26,238
    DavidL said:

    Foxy said:

    Carney advert on the housing shortage. Impressive presentation.

    https://bsky.app/profile/mark-carney.bsky.social/post/3llz5p26ydc2j

    And a powerful boost to domestic demand using Canadian timber to offset the impact of tariffs. Smart. Very, very smart.
    That's quite good. Just like the reports that were doing the rounds in the UK in 1994, 1998 ....

    Here, of course, Nonny-Nonny-Nigel would be demanding that everyone wants to live in brick built houses, with single glazing, space to grow cabbages, a free bulldog, and a coal fire.

    None of this woke wood and insulation stuff :smile: .
  • CiceroCicero Posts: 3,334
    Roger said:

    isam said:

    Foxy said:

    isam said:

    He’s swum against the tide of centrist opinion before and been right… 😳

    Thats true. Didn't Brand describe Farage as "a Poundshop Enoch Powell" on BBC Question time?

    Still, a stopped watch etc.
    Most of the centre-left probably still think Russell “the alleged comedian” Brand is a nicer bloke than Farage.

    I wonder what James O’Brien thinks of him now

    My guess is he will almost certainly be found not guilty. The British public like celebs and attractive personalities are rarely found guilty. As it happens he's not a lefty anymore
    "Trial by jury...twelve good folk and true...its a fine system". I suspect that those of us who have served on juries took the process seriously and did the job to the best of their ability.

    If the evidence supports conviction, he will be convicted. If it doesn't, he won't.

    Mind you, even if acquitted, I'll still think Brand is an utter c*unt.
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