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PB Predictions Competition 2025 – The (first) results are in! – politicalbetting.com

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PB Predictions Competition 2025 – The (first) results are in! – politicalbetting.com

The international chaos of the that past week has naturally dominated both the world news and politicalbetting.com, but let us not forget that there are other important matters to discuss…

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  • TazTaz Posts: 16,902
    First !
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 62,298
    Must admit I can't remember what I guessed, but well done to those who had greater insight than me.
  • TazTaz Posts: 16,902
    I’ll take equal 12th when I was equal 72nd last year.
  • PhilPhil Posts: 2,505
    edited March 9
    FPT:
    Foxy said:

    Worth noting too that Private Eyes MD (Phil Hammond) has been spectacularly wrong at times over the years by presenting very one sided reports. Most notably on Wakefield and MMR. The idea that he is a neutral weigher of evidence is for the birds.

    https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC1123186/

    Was Hammond writing MD during the MMR debacle? Not Private Eye’s finest hour...
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 50,403
    Phil said:

    FPT:

    Foxy said:

    Worth noting too that Private Eyes MD (Phil Hammond) has been spectacularly wrong at times over the years by presenting very one sided reports. Most notably on Wakefield and MMR. The idea that he is a neutral weigher of evidence is for the birds.

    https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC1123186/

    Was Hammond writing MD during the MMR debacle? Not Private Eye’s finest hour...
    Yes, I believe so.

    He was writing about children's cardiac surgery in Bristol before then, indeed made his name with that exposure.

  • PhilPhil Posts: 2,505
    edited March 9
    Foxy said:

    Phil said:

    FPT:

    Foxy said:

    Worth noting too that Private Eyes MD (Phil Hammond) has been spectacularly wrong at times over the years by presenting very one sided reports. Most notably on Wakefield and MMR. The idea that he is a neutral weigher of evidence is for the birds.

    https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC1123186/

    Was Hammond writing MD during the MMR debacle? Not Private Eye’s finest hour...
    Yes, I believe so.

    He was writing about children's cardiac surgery in Bristol before then, indeed made his name with that exposure.

    Hmm. A quick Google suggests that Private Eye’s big MMR / pro Wakefield was due to Heather Mills: https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC1123186/ (and the editor, presumably).

    Hammond himself asserts that he said MMR was safe in PE in this 2010 blogpost: https://www.drphilhammond.com/blog/2010/02/18/private-eye/dr-phil’s-private-eye-column-issue-1256-february-17-2010/

    But that was written long after the MMR controversy was settled & PE found to be obviously on the wrong side of history of course.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 53,983
    I demand this question is not included in the final tally - how could we have known the Vice President of the United States would make a party political broadcast on behalf of the AfD?
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 121,188

    Must admit I can't remember what I guessed, but well done to those who had greater insight than me.

    You predicted 120.

    https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1Q1K4nRq3evMdn518k123eppQP0VQWa9s/edit?gid=1771788203#gid=1771788203
  • eekeek Posts: 29,397
    edited March 9
    FPT
    TimS said:

    eek said:

    Andy_JS said:

    TimS said:

    carnforth said:

    TimS said:

    DavidL said:

    The takes on this defence argument are completely anti-logical.

    We have just been caught out because we've made our national defence a subsidiary of someone else's national defence, and now we suddenly find that they have elected someone not to our liking (I exclude myself from this) and we're suddenly regretting it.

    Our favoured solution to this is apparently to jump into a whole new set of defence commitments and deals with a whole new set of countries who might also quite feasibly elect someone we don't like (it has happened once or twice before). I mean really?

    It is absolutely clear that the only solution to this is the same as it has always been. Gradually, and in a cordial and respectful way, we need to work toward a situation where the UK posseses a strong basic national defence against invasion that is not dependent upon the goodwill of any other nation. We need to develop a nuclear programme that is not dependent upon the goodwill of any other nation. Security agencies that are not dependent on the goodwill of any other nation. And as a vastly less important secondary goal, develop the ability to project force overseas to advance our interests and help our allies, that is not dependent upon the good will of any other nation. Anything else is Einstein's definiton of madness.

    “We need to develop a nuclear programme that is not dependent upon the goodwill of any other nation. Security agencies that are not dependent on the goodwill of any other nation. And as a vastly less important secondary goal, develop the ability to project force overseas to advance our interests and help our allies, that is not dependent upon the good will of any other nation.”

    Having no choice but to sign the Chagos Agreement is a buy (sic) product of this “special relationship” too, I would like to explain.
    For anyone who still doesn’t understand why the first Chagos Deal (with UK doing the ethnic cleansing leg work for our masters) and the new Chagos deal India and US want us to sign was always certain to happen, for any person implying UK has a choice in this matter is simply uninformed and ignorant, take a gander at this:

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/mar/08/us-support-uk-nuclear-arsenal-in-doubt-trident-france

    “Britain likes to call its nuclear posture independent, but it of course is absolutely not,”
    “UK – unlike France – is highly intertwined with the US when it comes to maintaining its nuclear weapons, which are designed, manufactured and maintained in the US under a deal rooted in a 1958 agreement.”
    “Developing a replacement for Trident or adapting it for use without the US would be “hugely complicated” and costly”
    “difficult to conceive” of the US not wanting to maintain its relationship with the UK,

    They make it, it’s expensive, and we have zero choice but to buy it - at mates rates in return for “other services rendered.”
    “"We're going to have some discussions about Chagos Deal very soon.” Said Donald Trump. “And I have a feeling it's going to work out very well," Trump told reporters in the Oval Office as he sat beside Starmer. "They're talking about a very long-term, powerful lease, a very strong lease, about 140 years actually. That's a long time, and I think we'll be inclined to go along with your country."

    But I throw the question back at you Lucky, for you to explain the downsides of your alternate plan. That is greater costs on British tax payer, greater risk of complex project failure. And that NATO, 5 eyes and AUKUS were created in first place for good reason - strength in Union and sharing for like minded friends.

    The very special UK US relationship makes us their bitch, you can argue - but all things considered, all pro’s and cons, do we really want to break free? Can we even seriously consider it?
    The answer to that question was no throughout my entire life. Until 6 weeks ago. 6 weeks of Trump has changed my mind. Now, I think that we have no choice.
    France has twice been vindicated in the last 3 years for its deliberately different approach to statecraft. First in its huge investment in nuclear energy which protected it from the worst of the fuel price shock after the invasion, and now in its truly independent defence setup.

    Whether it has really capitalised on these is debatable, but they look to have been the right calls, made decades ago.
    Another smart French move was choosing to be a leading member of the EU, while we refused to join, then when we did join exempted ourselves from the most useful bits like Schengen and the Euro, and then left in a huff. It's galling (no pun intended) to say it but the French have made much better choices than we have.
    I thought not being in Schengen or the Euro was a super duper special deal we were throwing away by leaving? This is what many remainers told us.
    Schengen would be great. For a start it would mean I wouldn’t have to exchange my passport soon due to insufficient pages left for stamps. That plus a channel road bridge.
    You must travel a lot. Are people supposed to get a new passport if all the pages get filled up? Never thought of this question before. People like foreign correspondents in, say, the 70s and 80s must have had this problem.
    You used to be able to get extra pages added to your passport. Or if you were travelling to Israel as part of a wider travel around the Middle East then you were allowed to get two passports as a lot of countries would not allow you in if you had an Israeli stamp in your passport.
    You can still buy a 50 page passport instead of the standard 34 pages - it just costs £10 or so more.

    I got one. It is rapidly filling up with European passport stamps.

    The French border guards are the most considerate. They quite deliberately reuse pages, stamp in small hard to find corners and do it nice and quickly. Other countries are much spendthrift with the space. And the Scandinavians come over all American with their twenty questions on what I’m doing in their country.
    I've had French border guards politely waiting for us at a gate to stamp our passports so that we catch our next flight (to Guadeloupe).

    Given my complete hatred and usual experience in CDG this did come as a very nice and massive surprise.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 72,822

    I demand this question is not included in the final tally - how could we have known the Vice President of the United States would make a party political broadcast on behalf of the AfD?

    Well, we knew the Vice President would be JD Vance, who is on his own admission a supporter of Hitler.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 72,822

    Must admit I can't remember what I guessed, but well done to those who had greater insight than me.

    You predicted 120.

    https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1Q1K4nRq3evMdn518k123eppQP0VQWa9s/edit?gid=1771788203#gid=1771788203
    I'm disgusted.

    My prediction was only the third least accurate.

    Pathetic. Must do better.
  • SouthamObserverSouthamObserver Posts: 39,998
    eek said:

    FPT

    TimS said:

    eek said:

    Andy_JS said:

    TimS said:

    carnforth said:

    TimS said:

    DavidL said:

    The takes on this defence argument are completely anti-logical.

    We have just been caught out because we've made our national defence a subsidiary of someone else's national defence, and now we suddenly find that they have elected someone not to our liking (I exclude myself from this) and we're suddenly regretting it.

    Our favoured solution to this is apparently to jump into a whole new set of defence commitments and deals with a whole new set of countries who might also quite feasibly elect someone we don't like (it has happened once or twice before). I mean really?

    It is absolutely clear that the only solution to this is the same as it has always been. Gradually, and in a cordial and respectful way, we need to work toward a situation where the UK posseses a strong basic national defence against invasion that is not dependent upon the goodwill of any other nation. We need to develop a nuclear programme that is not dependent upon the goodwill of any other nation. Security agencies that are not dependent on the goodwill of any other nation. And as a vastly less important secondary goal, develop the ability to project force overseas to advance our interests and help our allies, that is not dependent upon the good will of any other nation. Anything else is Einstein's definiton of madness.

    “We need to develop a nuclear programme that is not dependent upon the goodwill of any other nation. Security agencies that are not dependent on the goodwill of any other nation. And as a vastly less important secondary goal, develop the ability to project force overseas to advance our interests and help our allies, that is not dependent upon the good will of any other nation.”

    Having no choice but to sign the Chagos Agreement is a buy (sic) product of this “special relationship” too, I would like to explain.
    For anyone who still doesn’t understand why the first Chagos Deal (with UK doing the ethnic cleansing leg work for our masters) and the new Chagos deal India and US want us to sign was always certain to happen, for any person implying UK has a choice in this matter is simply uninformed and ignorant, take a gander at this:

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/mar/08/us-support-uk-nuclear-arsenal-in-doubt-trident-france

    “Britain likes to call its nuclear posture independent, but it of course is absolutely not,”
    “UK – unlike France – is highly intertwined with the US when it comes to maintaining its nuclear weapons, which are designed, manufactured and maintained in the US under a deal rooted in a 1958 agreement.”
    “Developing a replacement for Trident or adapting it for use without the US would be “hugely complicated” and costly”
    “difficult to conceive” of the US not wanting to maintain its relationship with the UK,

    They make it, it’s expensive, and we have zero choice but to buy it - at mates rates in return for “other services rendered.”
    “"We're going to have some discussions about Chagos Deal very soon.” Said Donald Trump. “And I have a feeling it's going to work out very well," Trump told reporters in the Oval Office as he sat beside Starmer. "They're talking about a very long-term, powerful lease, a very strong lease, about 140 years actually. That's a long time, and I think we'll be inclined to go along with your country."

    But I throw the question back at you Lucky, for you to explain the downsides of your alternate plan. That is greater costs on British tax payer, greater risk of complex project failure. And that NATO, 5 eyes and AUKUS were created in first place for good reason - strength in Union and sharing for like minded friends.

    The very special UK US relationship makes us their bitch, you can argue - but all things considered, all pro’s and cons, do we really want to break free? Can we even seriously consider it?
    The answer to that question was no throughout my entire life. Until 6 weeks ago. 6 weeks of Trump has changed my mind. Now, I think that we have no choice.
    France has twice been vindicated in the last 3 years for its deliberately different approach to statecraft. First in its huge investment in nuclear energy which protected it from the worst of the fuel price shock after the invasion, and now in its truly independent defence setup.

    Whether it has really capitalised on these is debatable, but they look to have been the right calls, made decades ago.
    Another smart French move was choosing to be a leading member of the EU, while we refused to join, then when we did join exempted ourselves from the most useful bits like Schengen and the Euro, and then left in a huff. It's galling (no pun intended) to say it but the French have made much better choices than we have.
    I thought not being in Schengen or the Euro was a super duper special deal we were throwing away by leaving? This is what many remainers told us.
    Schengen would be great. For a start it would mean I wouldn’t have to exchange my passport soon due to insufficient pages left for stamps. That plus a channel road bridge.
    You must travel a lot. Are people supposed to get a new passport if all the pages get filled up? Never thought of this question before. People like foreign correspondents in, say, the 70s and 80s must have had this problem.
    You used to be able to get extra pages added to your passport. Or if you were travelling to Israel as part of a wider travel around the Middle East then you were allowed to get two passports as a lot of countries would not allow you in if you had an Israeli stamp in your passport.
    You can still buy a 50 page passport instead of the standard 34 pages - it just costs £10 or so more.

    I got one. It is rapidly filling up with European passport stamps.

    The French border guards are the most considerate. They quite deliberately reuse pages, stamp in small hard to find corners and do it nice and quickly. Other countries are much spendthrift with the space. And the Scandinavians come over all American with their twenty questions on what I’m doing in their country.
    I've had French border guards politely waiting for us at a gate to stamp our passports so that we catch our next flight (to Guadeloupe).

    Given my complete hatred and usual experience in CDG this did come as a very nice and massive surprise.

    The Spanish are entirely random. It must be so boring stamping hundreds of UK passports day after day. They never look at the stamps. You could be very easily overstay and not be picked up on.

  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 44,292
    I was a highball on AfD (172) so I'm not too disappointed to have missed.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 53,160
    Taz said:

    First !

    NO! It's me and @Pagan2 :lol:
  • SouthamObserverSouthamObserver Posts: 39,998

    FPT

    The biggest takeaway for me from the four juries I sat on was that they varied enormously in quality. In fact I came away with the distinct view that if you were a guilty defendant, the stupider the jury, the better your chances of getting away with it.

    One juror was so illiterate he couldn't read the oath. In the jury room he just nodded along with the prevailing sentiment which was that most of the jurors just wanted to get home and as a not guilty verdict was the quickest and easiest way of achieving this, he got off. The judge made it clear that he thought this was the wrong verdict, and i am sure he was right.

    By contrast, in a much more serious case, it was clear that the entire court thought the defendant would get off, but it was his misfortune to have some very smart people on the jury, some of whom had picked up on things missed by the court. The discussion was detailed, rational and highly responsible. To this day I am certin the guilty verdict was correct, and the defendant was simply unlucky to have so many smart people ruling on his case.

    The one serious contentious case with which I am deeply familiar is the A6 murder for which James Hanratty was hanged. There is little doubt that a material contributory factor in the guilty verdict was that the case, unusually, was held at Bedford rather than the Old Bailey. Bedford was close to the scene of the crime and feelings were running high at the time.

    I am not saying this makes the jury system bad, and I certainly don't have any magic formula for improving it, but the nature of the jury and the way it is selected seems to me a neglected area of study. If we understood more about it, some of the miscarriages we hear of might be avoided.

    My eldest son did jury service. The judge was the Dad of one my other son's best friends. I wonder whether my eldest would have been allowed onto that jury if either had realised at the time.

  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 30,554
    DavidL said:

    From a post on Bluesky

    "The United States has informed its NATO allies of its decision to cease participation in the planning of future military exercises in Europe.

    It is expected to affect exercises that are still in the planning stages or in the conceptual phase.

    US will shift focus to the Indo-Pacific region."

    Once again, the speed with which this is moving is shocking. Trump at least learned 1 thing from his first administration.

    NATO needs replaced now. Only when we know what the alternative is can we work out properly what we need to do.

    It makes me pessimistic about my predictions already. This year is going to be far more unstable than I had realised.

    Rutte doesn't seem up to the job anyway.
  • SandraMcSandraMc Posts: 723
    Phil said:

    FPT:

    Foxy said:

    Worth noting too that Private Eyes MD (Phil Hammond) has been spectacularly wrong at times over the years by presenting very one sided reports. Most notably on Wakefield and MMR. The idea that he is a neutral weigher of evidence is for the birds.

    https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC1123186/

    Was Hammond writing MD during the MMR debacle? Not Private Eye’s finest hour...
    Private Eye also claimed for years that Hanratty was innocent (although that was Paul Foot rather than Hammond).
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 75,193

    I demand this question is not included in the final tally - how could we have known the Vice President of the United States would make a party political broadcast on behalf of the AfD?

    Ironically, that is quite a Trumpian objection.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 79,003
    Thought I was fairly close on this one
  • eekeek Posts: 29,397
    edited March 9
    FPT
    stodge said:

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/ce8m71rgpp4o

    Get on the LDs in Macclesfield.....

    Actually, the article is very interesting.

    At the other end of the 101 bus route from East Ham lies Wanstead which you would think would be archetypal Conservative suburban territory and it was when part of WSC's constituency but boundary changes have taken it into the new Leyton & Wanstead Constituency which is of course Labour (Greens second).

    Wanstead has a Gail's - it has at least seven other independent coffee shops and bakeries and having been there as recently as Friday morning, I can report all were doing excellent business in the March sunshine. I'm not surprised the coffee shop numbers are rising - it's the one part of the retail economy which seems to be flourishing and it's part of a significant cultural change toward, dare I say it, a more European-style cafe culture.

    It's also interesting the other local coffee shop owners are less bothered than some of the locals and to be honest if you have a favourite coffee shop you tend to stay loyal to it. There's nothing wrong with Gail's (it is overpriced) but if you know an area you probably know somewhere probably better and certainly cheaper.

    Let me put it another way - there are at least five other coffee shops and bakeries I would go to in Wanstead before Gail's (La Bakerie is my personal favourite if you are ever in the vicinity).
    The one thing Gail's offers an area is that it's got a certain decent demographic that is likely to encourage other shops (Seasalt, White Stuff....) that it's a town worth investigating / opening in.

    But I always support the independent coffee shops - I find (from the few times I've had a coffee there) that Gail's coffee is bland..
  • Peter_the_PunterPeter_the_Punter Posts: 14,524
    SandraMc said:

    Phil said:

    FPT:

    Foxy said:

    Worth noting too that Private Eyes MD (Phil Hammond) has been spectacularly wrong at times over the years by presenting very one sided reports. Most notably on Wakefield and MMR. The idea that he is a neutral weigher of evidence is for the birds.

    https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC1123186/

    Was Hammond writing MD during the MMR debacle? Not Private Eye’s finest hour...
    Private Eye also claimed for years that Hanratty was innocent (although that was Paul Foot rather than Hammond).
    He probably was, but we will never know.

    If you are thinking of the DNA evidence, it was deeply flawed but I suspect it will be the last word on the subject.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 30,554
    edited March 9
    SandraMc said:

    Phil said:

    FPT:

    Foxy said:

    Worth noting too that Private Eyes MD (Phil Hammond) has been spectacularly wrong at times over the years by presenting very one sided reports. Most notably on Wakefield and MMR. The idea that he is a neutral weigher of evidence is for the birds.

    https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC1123186/

    Was Hammond writing MD during the MMR debacle? Not Private Eye’s finest hour...
    Private Eye also claimed for years that Hanratty was innocent (although that was Paul Foot rather than Hammond).
    But then Private Eye has got a lot of miscarriages of justice right too.

    Paul Foot had me convinced.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 50,403

    Must admit I can't remember what I guessed, but well done to those who had greater insight than me.

    You predicted 120.

    https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1Q1K4nRq3evMdn518k123eppQP0VQWa9s/edit?gid=1771788203#gid=1771788203
    I see my predictions on Reform MPs was a bit contradictory with a predicted number of 7, with only 2 by-election and no Tory defections. Perhaps I anticipated Jezza defecting...

    Indeed @kinabalu is in the lead on this one, predicting 4 MPs.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 54,741
    Pulpstar said:

    Thought I was fairly close on this one

    I was 142 which I thought was a reasonably close. The marking system is harsh indeed. :smile:
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 29,641
    Foxy said:

    Phil said:

    FPT:

    Foxy said:

    Worth noting too that Private Eyes MD (Phil Hammond) has been spectacularly wrong at times over the years by presenting very one sided reports. Most notably on Wakefield and MMR. The idea that he is a neutral weigher of evidence is for the birds.

    https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC1123186/

    Was Hammond writing MD during the MMR debacle? Not Private Eye’s finest hour...
    Yes, I believe so.

    He was writing about children's cardiac surgery in Bristol before then, indeed made his name with that exposure.

    MD was doxxed by [fx: drum roll] Carol Vorderman on Countdown.
  • GallowgateGallowgate Posts: 19,897
    Hmm I live about 150 miles from the nearest Gail’s
  • BartholomewRobertsBartholomewRoberts Posts: 23,135
    I was well out on my prediction having one of the lowest predictions for the AfD of 105. I was thinking that when push came to shove that the Germans wouldn't vote for the 'far right', I'm more disappointed that thought was wrong than I am that I got nul points.

    As far as the mark scheme is concerned, glad its not a spread bet!
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 54,741

    DavidL said:

    From a post on Bluesky

    "The United States has informed its NATO allies of its decision to cease participation in the planning of future military exercises in Europe.

    It is expected to affect exercises that are still in the planning stages or in the conceptual phase.

    US will shift focus to the Indo-Pacific region."

    Once again, the speed with which this is moving is shocking. Trump at least learned 1 thing from his first administration.

    NATO needs replaced now. Only when we know what the alternative is can we work out properly what we need to do.

    It makes me pessimistic about my predictions already. This year is going to be far more unstable than I had realised.

    Rutte doesn't seem up to the job anyway.
    He has an important job in working out what of the existing infrastructure Europe wants to keep or need to replicate. His old job is redundant.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 121,188
    They spent millions on this rebrand strategy....

    The BT brand has been saved from the consumer scrap heap as its chief executive plots a bold strategy overhaul.

    The former telecoms monopoly announced in 2022 that it was ditching BT as its “flagship” brand for millions of customers to focus on selling broadband and mobile services under the EE name.

    However, these plans have now been shelved by Allison Kirkby, its chief executive, amid concerns that dropping the historic brand risked alienating older customers.

    As a result, both the BT and EE brands will continue to be used side by side.

    The change comes amid pressure from Sunil Bharti Mittal, the Indian tycoon who became BT’s largest shareholder last summer after taking a stake of almost 25pc.


    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2025/03/08/bt-brand-saved-amid-pressure-billionaire-indian-investor/
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 50,403
    Phil said:

    Foxy said:

    Phil said:

    FPT:

    Foxy said:

    Worth noting too that Private Eyes MD (Phil Hammond) has been spectacularly wrong at times over the years by presenting very one sided reports. Most notably on Wakefield and MMR. The idea that he is a neutral weigher of evidence is for the birds.

    https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC1123186/

    Was Hammond writing MD during the MMR debacle? Not Private Eye’s finest hour...
    Yes, I believe so.

    He was writing about children's cardiac surgery in Bristol before then, indeed made his name with that exposure.

    Hmm. A quick Google suggests that Private Eye’s big MMR / pro Wakefield was due to Heather Mills: https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC1123186/ (and the editor, presumably).

    Hammond himself asserts that he said MMR was safe in PE in this 2010 blogpost: https://www.drphilhammond.com/blog/2010/02/18/private-eye/dr-phil’s-private-eye-column-issue-1256-february-17-2010/

    But that was written long after the MMR controversy was settled & PE found to be obviously on the wrong side of history of course.
    Hammond has been MD since 1991 according to his own website.

    His column in 2010 is a pretty mealy mouthed apology for getting it wrong, and with far wider consequences than an individual miscarriage of justice.

    I have subscribed on and off to Private Eye since the Eighties. It's an entertaining read, but should never be regarded as reliable.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 53,983

    They spent millions on this rebrand strategy....

    The BT brand has been saved from the consumer scrap heap as its chief executive plots a bold strategy overhaul.

    The former telecoms monopoly announced in 2022 that it was ditching BT as its “flagship” brand for millions of customers to focus on selling broadband and mobile services under the EE name.

    However, these plans have now been shelved by Allison Kirkby, its chief executive, amid concerns that dropping the historic brand risked alienating older customers.

    As a result, both the BT and EE brands will continue to be used side by side.

    The change comes amid pressure from Sunil Bharti Mittal, the Indian tycoon who became BT’s largest shareholder last summer after taking a stake of almost 25pc.


    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2025/03/08/bt-brand-saved-amid-pressure-billionaire-indian-investor/

    "Sunil Bharti Mittal, the Indian tycoon...."

    He's just toying with us here!
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 75,193

    They spent millions on this rebrand strategy....

    The BT brand has been saved from the consumer scrap heap as its chief executive plots a bold strategy overhaul.

    The former telecoms monopoly announced in 2022 that it was ditching BT as its “flagship” brand for millions of customers to focus on selling broadband and mobile services under the EE name.

    However, these plans have now been shelved by Allison Kirkby, its chief executive, amid concerns that dropping the historic brand risked alienating older customers.

    As a result, both the BT and EE brands will continue to be used side by side.

    The change comes amid pressure from Sunil Bharti Mittal, the Indian tycoon who became BT’s largest shareholder last summer after taking a stake of almost 25pc.


    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2025/03/08/bt-brand-saved-amid-pressure-billionaire-indian-investor/

    "Sunil Bharti Mittal, the Indian tycoon...."

    He's just toying with us here!
    We’ve been railroaded.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 53,983
    Nigelb said:

    I demand this question is not included in the final tally - how could we have known the Vice President of the United States would make a party political broadcast on behalf of the AfD?

    Ironically, that is quite a Trumpian objection.
    We are sharing the same Waaaaaaaambulance...
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 75,193
    China seems to be attempting to do in biotech what it has done in electronics.
    Meanwhile, the US is being sabotaged.

    Something you learn very quickly when covering biotech startups -- including successful ones that now treat cancers and diabetes and heart disease -- is how many are based on govt-funded academic research.

    There is no private funding mechanism to replace that work.

    https://x.com/danprimack/status/1898078351686091225
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 29,641

    FPT

    The biggest takeaway for me from the four juries I sat on was that they varied enormously in quality. In fact I came away with the distinct view that if you were a guilty defendant, the stupider the jury, the better your chances of getting away with it.

    One juror was so illiterate he couldn't read the oath. In the jury room he just nodded along with the prevailing sentiment which was that most of the jurors just wanted to get home and as a not guilty verdict was the quickest and easiest way of achieving this, he got off. The judge made it clear that he thought this was the wrong verdict, and i am sure he was right.

    By contrast, in a much more serious case, it was clear that the entire court thought the defendant would get off, but it was his misfortune to have some very smart people on the jury, some of whom had picked up on things missed by the court. The discussion was detailed, rational and highly responsible. To this day I am certin the guilty verdict was correct, and the defendant was simply unlucky to have so many smart people ruling on his case.

    The one serious contentious case with which I am deeply familiar is the A6 murder for which James Hanratty was hanged. There is little doubt that a material contributory factor in the guilty verdict was that the case, unusually, was held at Bedford rather than the Old Bailey. Bedford was close to the scene of the crime and feelings were running high at the time.

    I am not saying this makes the jury system bad, and I certainly don't have any magic formula for improving it, but the nature of the jury and the way it is selected seems to me a neglected area of study. If we understood more about it, some of the miscarriages we hear of might be avoided.

    My eldest son did jury service. The judge was the Dad of one my other son's best friends. I wonder whether my eldest would have been allowed onto that jury if either had realised at the time.

    Random law fact, in the current ITV series – A Cruel Love, the Ruth Ellis story – Nigel Havers plays his own grandfather, who was judge in that case.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 53,983
    Nigelb said:

    They spent millions on this rebrand strategy....

    The BT brand has been saved from the consumer scrap heap as its chief executive plots a bold strategy overhaul.

    The former telecoms monopoly announced in 2022 that it was ditching BT as its “flagship” brand for millions of customers to focus on selling broadband and mobile services under the EE name.

    However, these plans have now been shelved by Allison Kirkby, its chief executive, amid concerns that dropping the historic brand risked alienating older customers.

    As a result, both the BT and EE brands will continue to be used side by side.

    The change comes amid pressure from Sunil Bharti Mittal, the Indian tycoon who became BT’s largest shareholder last summer after taking a stake of almost 25pc.


    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2025/03/08/bt-brand-saved-amid-pressure-billionaire-indian-investor/

    "Sunil Bharti Mittal, the Indian tycoon...."

    He's just toying with us here!
    We’ve been railroaded.
    He just comes here to read the signals. It's a good platform.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 72,822

    Nigelb said:

    They spent millions on this rebrand strategy....

    The BT brand has been saved from the consumer scrap heap as its chief executive plots a bold strategy overhaul.

    The former telecoms monopoly announced in 2022 that it was ditching BT as its “flagship” brand for millions of customers to focus on selling broadband and mobile services under the EE name.

    However, these plans have now been shelved by Allison Kirkby, its chief executive, amid concerns that dropping the historic brand risked alienating older customers.

    As a result, both the BT and EE brands will continue to be used side by side.

    The change comes amid pressure from Sunil Bharti Mittal, the Indian tycoon who became BT’s largest shareholder last summer after taking a stake of almost 25pc.


    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2025/03/08/bt-brand-saved-amid-pressure-billionaire-indian-investor/

    "Sunil Bharti Mittal, the Indian tycoon...."

    He's just toying with us here!
    We’ve been railroaded.
    He just comes here to read the signals. It's a good platform.
    What's your point?
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 53,983
    ydoethur said:

    Nigelb said:

    They spent millions on this rebrand strategy....

    The BT brand has been saved from the consumer scrap heap as its chief executive plots a bold strategy overhaul.

    The former telecoms monopoly announced in 2022 that it was ditching BT as its “flagship” brand for millions of customers to focus on selling broadband and mobile services under the EE name.

    However, these plans have now been shelved by Allison Kirkby, its chief executive, amid concerns that dropping the historic brand risked alienating older customers.

    As a result, both the BT and EE brands will continue to be used side by side.

    The change comes amid pressure from Sunil Bharti Mittal, the Indian tycoon who became BT’s largest shareholder last summer after taking a stake of almost 25pc.


    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2025/03/08/bt-brand-saved-amid-pressure-billionaire-indian-investor/

    "Sunil Bharti Mittal, the Indian tycoon...."

    He's just toying with us here!
    We’ve been railroaded.
    He just comes here to read the signals. It's a good platform.
    What's your point?
    Siding against me?
  • GallowgateGallowgate Posts: 19,897
    Nigelb said:

    China seems to be attempting to do in biotech what it has done in electronics.
    Meanwhile, the US is being sabotaged.

    Something you learn very quickly when covering biotech startups -- including successful ones that now treat cancers and diabetes and heart disease -- is how many are based on govt-funded academic research.

    There is no private funding mechanism to replace that work.

    https://x.com/danprimack/status/1898078351686091225

    Don’t tell @BartholomewRoberts
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 98,001
    DavidL said:

    From a post on Bluesky

    "The United States has informed its NATO allies of its decision to cease participation in the planning of future military exercises in Europe.

    It is expected to affect exercises that are still in the planning stages or in the conceptual phase.

    US will shift focus to the Indo-Pacific region."

    Once again, the speed with which this is moving is shocking. Trump at least learned 1 thing from his first administration.

    NATO needs replaced now. Only when we know what the alternative is can we work out properly what we need to do.

    It makes me pessimistic about my predictions already. This year is going to be far more unstable than I had realised.

    I can't imagine the military establishment are very happy, but orders is orders. NATO going from renewed relevance with new members joining to utter irrelevance as a result of one election.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 98,001
    DavidL said:

    FPT

    The biggest takeaway for me from the four juries I sat on was that they varied enormously in quality. In fact I came away with the distinct view that if you were a guilty defendant, the stupider the jury, the better your chances of getting away with it.

    One juror was so illiterate he couldn't read the oath. In the jury room he just nodded along with the prevailing sentiment which was that most of the jurors just wanted to get home and as a not guilty verdict was the quickest and easiest way of achieving this, he got off. The judge made it clear that he thought this was the wrong verdict, and i am sure he was right.

    By contrast, in a much more serious case, it was clear that the entire court thought the defendant would get off, but it was his misfortune to have some very smart people on the jury, some of whom had picked up on things missed by the court. The discussion was detailed, rational and highly responsible. To this day I am certin the guilty verdict was correct, and the defendant was simply unlucky to have so many smart people ruling on his case.

    The one serious contentious case with which I am deeply familiar is the A6 murder for which James Hanratty was hanged. There is little doubt that a material contributory factor in the guilty verdict was that the case, unusually, was held at Bedford rather than the Old Bailey. Bedford was close to the scene of the crime and feelings were running high at the time.

    I am not saying these examples makes the jury system bad, and I certainly don't have any magic formula for improving it, but the nature of the jury and the way it is selected seems to me a neglected area of study. If we understood more about it, some of the miscarriages we hear of might be avoided.

    I did my latest jury speech on Friday afternoon. It was a relief to get it out of the way by the weekend.

    In general, I have found juries very attentive and focused in the High Court, much more so than they tend to be for less serious trials in the Sheriff court. I have had the odd jury who have come back quickly with a not proven verdict that smacked of a reluctance to engage with the evidence but it has been rare, maybe 2 in 40 or so trials that come to mind.

    Even when I have disagreed with the jury's verdict I have seen how they got there. More often, I have had very discerning judgments where parts of the charge have been removed showing that they have gone through the evidence carefully.

    It is not a perfect system and there is a random element to it but in my view decisions by judges alone, whether on their own or in a panel of 3, would be worse.

    Yes, i can see big flaws, but eliminating the principle as some suggest serms counterproductive to me
  • RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 29,505
    DavidL said:

    FPT

    The biggest takeaway for me from the four juries I sat on was that they varied enormously in quality. In fact I came away with the distinct view that if you were a guilty defendant, the stupider the jury, the better your chances of getting away with it.

    One juror was so illiterate he couldn't read the oath. In the jury room he just nodded along with the prevailing sentiment which was that most of the jurors just wanted to get home and as a not guilty verdict was the quickest and easiest way of achieving this, he got off. The judge made it clear that he thought this was the wrong verdict, and i am sure he was right.

    By contrast, in a much more serious case, it was clear that the entire court thought the defendant would get off, but it was his misfortune to have some very smart people on the jury, some of whom had picked up on things missed by the court. The discussion was detailed, rational and highly responsible. To this day I am certin the guilty verdict was correct, and the defendant was simply unlucky to have so many smart people ruling on his case.

    The one serious contentious case with which I am deeply familiar is the A6 murder for which James Hanratty was hanged. There is little doubt that a material contributory factor in the guilty verdict was that the case, unusually, was held at Bedford rather than the Old Bailey. Bedford was close to the scene of the crime and feelings were running high at the time.

    I am not saying these examples makes the jury system bad, and I certainly don't have any magic formula for improving it, but the nature of the jury and the way it is selected seems to me a neglected area of study. If we understood more about it, some of the miscarriages we hear of might be avoided.

    I did my latest jury speech on Friday afternoon. It was a relief to get it out of the way by the weekend.

    In general, I have found juries very attentive and focused in the High Court, much more so than they tend to be for less serious trials in the Sheriff court. I have had the odd jury who have come back quickly with a not proven verdict that smacked of a reluctance to engage with the evidence but it has been rare, maybe 2 in 40 or so trials that come to mind.

    Even when I have disagreed with the jury's verdict I have seen how they got there. More often, I have had very discerning judgments where parts of the charge have been removed showing that they have gone through the evidence carefully.

    It is not a perfect system and there is a random element to it but in my view decisions by judges alone, whether on their own or in a panel of 3, would be worse.

    I’ve been granted a deferment to jury service though it will crop up again at some point.

    At which time I will be a potential juror where I simply don’t understand one of the verdicts I can give - Not Proven.

    No wonder the criminal justice professionals get puzzled by jury verdicts when you have clueless idiots like me on them.
  • Pro_RataPro_Rata Posts: 5,505
    On topic:

    A lot of the early questions on the competition lend themselves to early elimination of competitors even if the right answers are not obvious till the end.

    Said the highest Labour vote share is 29%. That 30% just did wink murder.

    Said no defectors to Reform. Suella just hexxed you.

    Said one by-election? Etc.

    So, we can track early eliminees at some point during the year.

    Btw, how many cabinet exits are we on in 2025? Not sure either Siddiq or Dodds were full cabinet, so I'm thinking 0 at the moment.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 53,983
    French Truth or Fake channel:

    Is Donald Trump the KGB agent known as Krasnov?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TYI4EoAPq4U

    (Spoiler: probably not...)
  • PhilPhil Posts: 2,505
    Foxy said:

    Phil said:

    Foxy said:

    Phil said:

    FPT:

    Foxy said:

    Worth noting too that Private Eyes MD (Phil Hammond) has been spectacularly wrong at times over the years by presenting very one sided reports. Most notably on Wakefield and MMR. The idea that he is a neutral weigher of evidence is for the birds.

    https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC1123186/

    Was Hammond writing MD during the MMR debacle? Not Private Eye’s finest hour...
    Yes, I believe so.

    He was writing about children's cardiac surgery in Bristol before then, indeed made his name with that exposure.

    Hmm. A quick Google suggests that Private Eye’s big MMR / pro Wakefield was due to Heather Mills: https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC1123186/ (and the editor, presumably).

    Hammond himself asserts that he said MMR was safe in PE in this 2010 blogpost: https://www.drphilhammond.com/blog/2010/02/18/private-eye/dr-phil’s-private-eye-column-issue-1256-february-17-2010/

    But that was written long after the MMR controversy was settled & PE found to be obviously on the wrong side of history of course.
    Hammond has been MD since 1991 according to his own website.

    His column in 2010 is a pretty mealy mouthed apology for getting it wrong, and with far wider consequences than an individual miscarriage of justice.

    I have subscribed on and off to Private Eye since the Eighties. It's an entertaining read, but should never be regarded as reliable.
    Yes, David Gerard (famous only for being the UK Wikipedia person / Bitcoin skeptic etc etc) asks the very obvious question in the comments to that blogpost of (I paraphrase) “where exactly was this questioning of the pro-Wakefield position to be found in your writings in Private Eye from 1998-2010 ?”.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 98,001
    Foxy said:

    Phil said:

    Foxy said:

    Phil said:

    FPT:

    Foxy said:

    Worth noting too that Private Eyes MD (Phil Hammond) has been spectacularly wrong at times over the years by presenting very one sided reports. Most notably on Wakefield and MMR. The idea that he is a neutral weigher of evidence is for the birds.

    https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC1123186/

    Was Hammond writing MD during the MMR debacle? Not Private Eye’s finest hour...
    Yes, I believe so.

    He was writing about children's cardiac surgery in Bristol before then, indeed made his name with that exposure.

    Hmm. A quick Google suggests that Private Eye’s big MMR / pro Wakefield was due to Heather Mills: https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC1123186/ (and the editor, presumably).

    Hammond himself asserts that he said MMR was safe in PE in this 2010 blogpost: https://www.drphilhammond.com/blog/2010/02/18/private-eye/dr-phil’s-private-eye-column-issue-1256-february-17-2010/

    But that was written long after the MMR controversy was settled & PE found to be obviously on the wrong side of history of course.
    Hammond has been MD since 1991 according to his own website.

    His column in 2010 is a pretty mealy mouthed apology for getting it wrong, and with far wider consequences than an individual miscarriage of justice.

    I have subscribed on and off to Private Eye since the Eighties. It's an entertaining read, but should never be regarded as reliable.
    Ive only read it quite infrequently, it seems very hit and miss between bog standard lazy 'everything is crap' cynicism the likes of which characterises much of the internet like a plague, some hard hitting indepth reporting, and an occasional dose of sheer crankery.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 72,822

    ydoethur said:

    Nigelb said:

    They spent millions on this rebrand strategy....

    The BT brand has been saved from the consumer scrap heap as its chief executive plots a bold strategy overhaul.

    The former telecoms monopoly announced in 2022 that it was ditching BT as its “flagship” brand for millions of customers to focus on selling broadband and mobile services under the EE name.

    However, these plans have now been shelved by Allison Kirkby, its chief executive, amid concerns that dropping the historic brand risked alienating older customers.

    As a result, both the BT and EE brands will continue to be used side by side.

    The change comes amid pressure from Sunil Bharti Mittal, the Indian tycoon who became BT’s largest shareholder last summer after taking a stake of almost 25pc.


    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2025/03/08/bt-brand-saved-amid-pressure-billionaire-indian-investor/

    "Sunil Bharti Mittal, the Indian tycoon...."

    He's just toying with us here!
    We’ve been railroaded.
    He just comes here to read the signals. It's a good platform.
    What's your point?
    Siding against me?
    No need to rail against it.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 54,741

    DavidL said:

    FPT

    The biggest takeaway for me from the four juries I sat on was that they varied enormously in quality. In fact I came away with the distinct view that if you were a guilty defendant, the stupider the jury, the better your chances of getting away with it.

    One juror was so illiterate he couldn't read the oath. In the jury room he just nodded along with the prevailing sentiment which was that most of the jurors just wanted to get home and as a not guilty verdict was the quickest and easiest way of achieving this, he got off. The judge made it clear that he thought this was the wrong verdict, and i am sure he was right.

    By contrast, in a much more serious case, it was clear that the entire court thought the defendant would get off, but it was his misfortune to have some very smart people on the jury, some of whom had picked up on things missed by the court. The discussion was detailed, rational and highly responsible. To this day I am certin the guilty verdict was correct, and the defendant was simply unlucky to have so many smart people ruling on his case.

    The one serious contentious case with which I am deeply familiar is the A6 murder for which James Hanratty was hanged. There is little doubt that a material contributory factor in the guilty verdict was that the case, unusually, was held at Bedford rather than the Old Bailey. Bedford was close to the scene of the crime and feelings were running high at the time.

    I am not saying these examples makes the jury system bad, and I certainly don't have any magic formula for improving it, but the nature of the jury and the way it is selected seems to me a neglected area of study. If we understood more about it, some of the miscarriages we hear of might be avoided.

    I did my latest jury speech on Friday afternoon. It was a relief to get it out of the way by the weekend.

    In general, I have found juries very attentive and focused in the High Court, much more so than they tend to be for less serious trials in the Sheriff court. I have had the odd jury who have come back quickly with a not proven verdict that smacked of a reluctance to engage with the evidence but it has been rare, maybe 2 in 40 or so trials that come to mind.

    Even when I have disagreed with the jury's verdict I have seen how they got there. More often, I have had very discerning judgments where parts of the charge have been removed showing that they have gone through the evidence carefully.

    It is not a perfect system and there is a random element to it but in my view decisions by judges alone, whether on their own or in a panel of 3, would be worse.

    I’ve been granted a deferment to jury service though it will crop up again at some point.

    At which time I will be a potential juror where I simply don’t understand one of the verdicts I can give - Not Proven.

    No wonder the criminal justice professionals get puzzled by jury verdicts when you have clueless idiots like me on them.
    My late father was on a jury. 2 girls allegedly sexually abused when they were young. One was, unfortunately, a hopeless witness. She had lived a life of drugs and abuse such that she really couldn't speak to particular events or perpetrators. Simply not a reliable witness. The second was crystal clear and very evidently telling the truth about what the accused had done but the jury needed to rely on the first girl to corroborate her account.

    They came back Not guilty and not proven, the latter being for the girl they completely believed but could not convict on. I don't know if it gave her any comfort but it is a good example of when the alternative verdict of acquittal allowed them to make a point.
  • TheValiantTheValiant Posts: 1,923
    DavidL said:

    From a post on Bluesky

    "The United States has informed its NATO allies of its decision to cease participation in the planning of future military exercises in Europe.

    It is expected to affect exercises that are still in the planning stages or in the conceptual phase.

    US will shift focus to the Indo-Pacific region."

    Once again, the speed with which this is moving is shocking. Trump at least learned 1 thing from his first administration.

    NATO needs replaced now. Only when we know what the alternative is can we work out properly what we need to do.

    It makes me pessimistic about my predictions already. This year is going to be far more unstable than I had realised.

    NATO doesn't need replacing. The United States just needs to leave. The organisation can then continue as they are without the United States, who has currently de jure ceased to be a member anyway.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 121,188
    edited March 9
    Pro_Rata said:

    On topic:

    A lot of the early questions on the competition lend themselves to early elimination of competitors even if the right answers are not obvious till the end.

    Said the highest Labour vote share is 29%. That 30% just did wink murder.

    Said no defectors to Reform. Suella just hexxed you.

    Said one by-election? Etc.

    So, we can track early eliminees at some point during the year.

    Btw, how many cabinet exits are we on in 2025? Not sure either Siddiq or Dodds were full cabinet, so I'm thinking 0 at the moment.

    Yes, we are on zero cabinet minister exits.

    We are basing our decision on here

    https://members.parliament.uk/government/cabinet
  • Peter_the_PunterPeter_the_Punter Posts: 14,524

    SandraMc said:

    Phil said:

    FPT:

    Foxy said:

    Worth noting too that Private Eyes MD (Phil Hammond) has been spectacularly wrong at times over the years by presenting very one sided reports. Most notably on Wakefield and MMR. The idea that he is a neutral weigher of evidence is for the birds.

    https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC1123186/

    Was Hammond writing MD during the MMR debacle? Not Private Eye’s finest hour...
    Private Eye also claimed for years that Hanratty was innocent (although that was Paul Foot rather than Hammond).
    But then Private Eye has got a lot of miscarriages of justice right too.

    Paul Foot had me convinced.
    Foot probably knew more than he could publish. In the end I think he was agnostic on the matter.

    One thing that is almost universally acknowledged now is that Hanratty should have been acquitted on the evidence as it was presented to the jury. That is not to say he was definitely innocent (that was and remains unproveable) but the reasonable doubt principle should have been sufficient to get him off. This is where I think the location of the trial and the tabloid witchhunt played a part.
  • Peter_the_PunterPeter_the_Punter Posts: 14,524
    I was in Gail's in Wanstead yesterday, shortly before going on to watch the Orient.

    It was packed. I like it, but chacun a son gout....
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 72,822
    edited March 9

    SandraMc said:

    Phil said:

    FPT:

    Foxy said:

    Worth noting too that Private Eyes MD (Phil Hammond) has been spectacularly wrong at times over the years by presenting very one sided reports. Most notably on Wakefield and MMR. The idea that he is a neutral weigher of evidence is for the birds.

    https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC1123186/

    Was Hammond writing MD during the MMR debacle? Not Private Eye’s finest hour...
    Private Eye also claimed for years that Hanratty was innocent (although that was Paul Foot rather than Hammond).
    But then Private Eye has got a lot of miscarriages of justice right too.

    Paul Foot had me convinced.
    Foot probably knew more than he could publish. In the end I think he was agnostic on the matter.

    One thing that is almost universally acknowledged now is that Hanratty should have been acquitted on the evidence as it was presented to the jury. That is not to say he was definitely innocent (that was and remains unproveable) but the reasonable doubt principle should have been sufficient to get him off. This is where I think the location of the trial and the tabloid witchhunt played a part.
    Hmmmm.

    It is true that disclosure rules have changed since so the procedures followed then would not be up to modern standards.

    But the evidence presented was:

    1) That he had been identified by the survivor;

    2) That he'd stayed in the hotel room where two spent cartridges from the murder weapon were found;

    3) That the gun was hidden in a place he had previously used as a hiding place;

    4) That he had repeatedly lied about his whereabouts.

    I'm not altogether seeing why it is 'universally acknowledged' that he should have been acquitted? That's a pretty damning chain of evidence.

    That's before we get on to the vexed question of how, if he wasn't the murderer, his mucus was found on the handkerchief the gun was wrapped in. I know contamination theories have abounded and they could be plausible with the other DNA strands but that's a definite stumbling block.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 29,641
    kle4 said:

    Foxy said:

    Phil said:

    Foxy said:

    Phil said:

    FPT:

    Foxy said:

    Worth noting too that Private Eyes MD (Phil Hammond) has been spectacularly wrong at times over the years by presenting very one sided reports. Most notably on Wakefield and MMR. The idea that he is a neutral weigher of evidence is for the birds.

    https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC1123186/

    Was Hammond writing MD during the MMR debacle? Not Private Eye’s finest hour...
    Yes, I believe so.

    He was writing about children's cardiac surgery in Bristol before then, indeed made his name with that exposure.

    Hmm. A quick Google suggests that Private Eye’s big MMR / pro Wakefield was due to Heather Mills: https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC1123186/ (and the editor, presumably).

    Hammond himself asserts that he said MMR was safe in PE in this 2010 blogpost: https://www.drphilhammond.com/blog/2010/02/18/private-eye/dr-phil’s-private-eye-column-issue-1256-february-17-2010/

    But that was written long after the MMR controversy was settled & PE found to be obviously on the wrong side of history of course.
    Hammond has been MD since 1991 according to his own website.

    His column in 2010 is a pretty mealy mouthed apology for getting it wrong, and with far wider consequences than an individual miscarriage of justice.

    I have subscribed on and off to Private Eye since the Eighties. It's an entertaining read, but should never be regarded as reliable.
    Ive only read it quite infrequently, it seems very hit and miss between bog standard lazy 'everything is crap' cynicism the likes of which characterises much of the internet like a plague, some hard hitting indepth reporting, and an occasional dose of sheer crankery.
    A lot of Private Eye stories (according to former editor Richard Ingrams) came from Fleet Street reporters whose own papers would not print them.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 30,554
    edited March 9
    Nigelb said:

    China seems to be attempting to do in biotech what it has done in electronics.
    Meanwhile, the US is being sabotaged.

    Something you learn very quickly when covering biotech startups -- including successful ones that now treat cancers and diabetes and heart disease -- is how many are based on govt-funded academic research.

    There is no private funding mechanism to replace that work.

    https://x.com/danprimack/status/1898078351686091225

    Because the programme included "trans" (transgenic) in its title, Trump and Maga opine that the programme is all about creating "transgender mice". Just stop and think for a moment about how "transgender mice " might work. No, me neither.

    The point at which f***ing stupid intersects f***ing dangerous.
  • OnlyLivingBoyOnlyLivingBoy Posts: 16,260
    Ouch - 161, 9 out. Not too bad!
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 29,641
    edited March 9

    SandraMc said:

    Phil said:

    FPT:

    Foxy said:

    Worth noting too that Private Eyes MD (Phil Hammond) has been spectacularly wrong at times over the years by presenting very one sided reports. Most notably on Wakefield and MMR. The idea that he is a neutral weigher of evidence is for the birds.

    https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC1123186/

    Was Hammond writing MD during the MMR debacle? Not Private Eye’s finest hour...
    Private Eye also claimed for years that Hanratty was innocent (although that was Paul Foot rather than Hammond).
    But then Private Eye has got a lot of miscarriages of justice right too.

    Paul Foot had me convinced.
    Foot probably knew more than he could publish. In the end I think he was agnostic on the matter.

    One thing that is almost universally acknowledged now is that Hanratty should have been acquitted on the evidence as it was presented to the jury. That is not to say he was definitely innocent (that was and remains unproveable) but the reasonable doubt principle should have been sufficient to get him off. This is where I think the location of the trial and the tabloid witchhunt played a part.
    That is my opinion of Letby too. She might be guilty in at least some cases but the trial was a travesty, and its medical and statistical evidence have been thoroughly debunked by outside experts who are actual experts.

    Hanratty I suspect was guilty – the coincidence of the gun being found where he had previously advocated hiding guns tipped me over – but I'm surprised Hanratty's sentence was not commuted after the on/off identification.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 75,193
    This is a possible explanation for Trump’s Europe policy:

    "A New Foreign Policy for Europe: Give Russia a free hand on the Continent", Curtis Yarvin.

    The influence of a far-right ideologue on the Trump administration.

    1/25

    https://x.com/vic_010100/status/1898028601431175608

    As I’ve noted before, Yarvin is an utter loon, but one who apparently has considerable influence in the administration (and, as the above thread notes, even more on Vance).
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 75,193
    The Yarvin article (published just before the invasion).

    https://graymirror.substack.com/p/a-new-foreign-policy-for-europe
    … But screw Putin. Forget these Slav-squatting, tracksuited snow-apes. What’s in it for us? What about America? (We’re all good Americans here, right?)

    Obviously, Gray Mirror can have no influence on the Biden administration. But, unless one of these saurians keels over, we are headed straight for a Biden-Trump 2024. A savage 2024—a real plate-throwing showdown in America’s broken marriage. Even now we all can feel the tension winding up.

    We need not mention the real Trump—obviously I don’t know the real Trump—but what would the ideal Trump do?

    If Trump triumphant returns to office in 2024, his first goal must not be to use power, but to take power—to relentlessly grow the scope of his office by bold, decisive action. And the proper arena for this action is foreign policy.

    Trump’s goal is to expand his power rather than getting results, because results are revenue and power is capital. Rather than fish with his hands, he makes a fishing rod. Action creates power because action makes precedent.

    If Trump can act on a scale on which no President in living memory has dared to act, his enemies will be daunted and afraid; his fans will be exhilarated and emboldened; and he will find it easier not just to get results, but to take even more power. Victory creates more victory, and there is no such thing as too much power.

    Of course, if these actions are bizarre, imprudent and detrimental to America’s goals, they become counterproductive rather than productive. What Trump needs is not just enormous actions, but enormous wins—as soon as possible, as big as possible.

    And those wins must ride roughshod over the most heartfelt beliefs and assumptions of his foes in the administrative state—then prove themselves by palpable success.

    It is much easier for a new President to assert his Constitutional right to control the executive branch by controlling foreign policy—since foreign policy, by definition, has no entirely domestic axe to grind. The President’s right, as chief executive of the executive branch, to dictate the budget, policy and personnel of that branch, is at its clearest in diplomacy and defense abroad.

    Therefore, Trump needs a dramatic foreign policy win that will be palpably good for America, and for the world in general, but can only be achieved by annihilating some network of power within the so-called “executive branch.” Ideally, the policy win is so complete that no organization can plausibly remain—the problem is simply gone…
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 29,641
    ydoethur said:

    SandraMc said:

    Phil said:

    FPT:

    Foxy said:

    Worth noting too that Private Eyes MD (Phil Hammond) has been spectacularly wrong at times over the years by presenting very one sided reports. Most notably on Wakefield and MMR. The idea that he is a neutral weigher of evidence is for the birds.

    https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC1123186/

    Was Hammond writing MD during the MMR debacle? Not Private Eye’s finest hour...
    Private Eye also claimed for years that Hanratty was innocent (although that was Paul Foot rather than Hammond).
    But then Private Eye has got a lot of miscarriages of justice right too.

    Paul Foot had me convinced.
    Foot probably knew more than he could publish. In the end I think he was agnostic on the matter.

    One thing that is almost universally acknowledged now is that Hanratty should have been acquitted on the evidence as it was presented to the jury. That is not to say he was definitely innocent (that was and remains unproveable) but the reasonable doubt principle should have been sufficient to get him off. This is where I think the location of the trial and the tabloid witchhunt played a part.
    Hmmmm.

    It is true that disclosure rules have changed since so the procedures followed then would not be up to modern standards.

    But the evidence presented was:

    1) That he had been identified by the survivor;

    2) That he'd stayed in the hotel room where two spent cartridges from the murder weapon were found;

    3) That the gun was hidden in a place he had previously used as a hiding place;

    4) That he had repeatedly lied about his whereabouts.

    I'm not altogether seeing why it is 'universally acknowledged' that he should have been acquitted? That's a pretty damning chain of evidence.

    That's before we get on to the vexed question of how, if he wasn't the murderer, his mucus was found on the handkerchief the gun was wrapped in. I know contamination theories have abounded and they could be plausible with the other DNA strands but that's a definite stumbling block.
    1) the survivor also failed to identify Hanratty iirc.

    3) the hiding place makes me believe he was guilty but I'd not want to hang a man on that.

    4) the questionable alibi that Hanratty was on the rob somewhere else was not put before the jury iirc.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 75,193
    Nigelb said:

    The Yarvin article (published just before the invasion).

    https://graymirror.substack.com/p/a-new-foreign-policy-for-europe
    … But screw Putin. Forget these Slav-squatting, tracksuited snow-apes. What’s in it for us? What about America? (We’re all good Americans here, right?)

    Obviously, Gray Mirror can have no influence on the Biden administration. But, unless one of these saurians keels over, we are headed straight for a Biden-Trump 2024. A savage 2024—a real plate-throwing showdown in America’s broken marriage. Even now we all can feel the tension winding up.

    We need not mention the real Trump—obviously I don’t know the real Trump—but what would the ideal Trump do?

    If Trump triumphant returns to office in 2024, his first goal must not be to use power, but to take power—to relentlessly grow the scope of his office by bold, decisive action. And the proper arena for this action is foreign policy.

    Trump’s goal is to expand his power rather than getting results, because results are revenue and power is capital. Rather than fish with his hands, he makes a fishing rod. Action creates power because action makes precedent.

    If Trump can act on a scale on which no President in living memory has dared to act, his enemies will be daunted and afraid; his fans will be exhilarated and emboldened; and he will find it easier not just to get results, but to take even more power. Victory creates more victory, and there is no such thing as too much power.

    Of course, if these actions are bizarre, imprudent and detrimental to America’s goals, they become counterproductive rather than productive. What Trump needs is not just enormous actions, but enormous wins—as soon as possible, as big as possible.

    And those wins must ride roughshod over the most heartfelt beliefs and assumptions of his foes in the administrative state—then prove themselves by palpable success.

    It is much easier for a new President to assert his Constitutional right to control the executive branch by controlling foreign policy—since foreign policy, by definition, has no entirely domestic axe to grind. The President’s right, as chief executive of the executive branch, to dictate the budget, policy and personnel of that branch, is at its clearest in diplomacy and defense abroad.

    Therefore, Trump needs a dramatic foreign policy win that will be palpably good for America, and for the world in general, but can only be achieved by annihilating some network of power within the so-called “executive branch.” Ideally, the policy win is so complete that no organization can plausibly remain—the problem is simply gone…

    contd.
    … The goal of US foreign policy in Europe

    Under a Trump administration, the goal of US foreign policy in Europe is to impact domestic politics in America.

    There are no realistic American foreign-policy goals, in the usual sense, for Europe. Realistic foreign-policy goals are either military or economic. Europe is not a military threat to the United States in any way. Europe has a trade surplus with the US, which means that cutting off trade with Europe would by definition grow the US economy.

    Rather, under a Trump administration, the goal of US foreign policy in Europe is to impact domestic power in America. For example, the fall of Afghanistan liquidated the organizational structures within State and DoD that supported this shambolic puppet state. These structures are tough, but they cannot survive the end of their purpose.

    The liquidation of “Ukraine,” comedian-Presidents, petrochemical magnates and all—will be an enormous blow to both State and Defense. It will suggest to all State’s other client states that Washington can no longer guarantee their “sovereignty,” whether by diplomacy or by force.

    Give Russia a free hand on the Continent

    But thinking only in terms of “the Texas of Russia” is thinking way too small. Rather, Trump should give Russia a free hand not just in Russian-speaking territories—but all the way to the English Channel.

    The goal of a Trumpist foreign policy in Europe is to withdraw American influence from Europe. This will guarantee the defeat of liberalism on the Continent. Here in America, this will show liberals and conservatives alike that liberalism is mortal—with gargantuan effects on the morale of both. And as Clausewitz said, all conflicts are mainly about morale...

  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 29,641

    I was in Gail's in Wanstead yesterday, shortly before going on to watch the Orient.

    It was packed. I like it, but chacun a son gout....

    The joke writes itself.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 30,554
    ydoethur said:

    SandraMc said:

    Phil said:

    FPT:

    Foxy said:

    Worth noting too that Private Eyes MD (Phil Hammond) has been spectacularly wrong at times over the years by presenting very one sided reports. Most notably on Wakefield and MMR. The idea that he is a neutral weigher of evidence is for the birds.

    https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC1123186/

    Was Hammond writing MD during the MMR debacle? Not Private Eye’s finest hour...
    Private Eye also claimed for years that Hanratty was innocent (although that was Paul Foot rather than Hammond).
    But then Private Eye has got a lot of miscarriages of justice right too.

    Paul Foot had me convinced.
    Foot probably knew more than he could publish. In the end I think he was agnostic on the matter.

    One thing that is almost universally acknowledged now is that Hanratty should have been acquitted on the evidence as it was presented to the jury. That is not to say he was definitely innocent (that was and remains unproveable) but the reasonable doubt principle should have been sufficient to get him off. This is where I think the location of the trial and the tabloid witchhunt played a part.
    Hmmmm.

    It is true that disclosure rules have changed since so the procedures followed then would not be up to modern standards.

    But the evidence presented was:

    1) That he had been identified by the survivor;

    2) That he'd stayed in the hotel room where two spent cartridges from the murder weapon were found;

    3) That the gun was hidden in a place he had previously used as a hiding place;

    4) That he had repeatedly lied about his whereabouts.

    I'm not altogether seeing why it is 'universally acknowledged' that he should have been acquitted? That's a pretty damning chain of evidence.

    That's before we get on to the vexed question of how, if he wasn't the murderer, his mucus was found on the handkerchief the gun was wrapped in. I know contamination theories have abounded and they could be plausible with the other DNA strands but that's a definite stumbling block.
    Didn't Gregson's lover (can't remember her name) equivocate on whether Hanratty was the perp. or not?

    Although we weren't at 1970s levels of coppers fitting up villains we were heading towards the peak. Did you know Wally Virgo lived in Horse Lane Orchard, Ledbury? We were a rum lot North of the Leadon.
  • AnthonyTAnthonyT Posts: 138
    FPT

    Lucy Letby's defence counsel - https://www.exchangechambers.co.uk/people/benjamin-myers-kc/

    What his instructions were we don't know. But to suggest that he was just going through the motions is nonsense. The defence applied to have all the charges struck out on the basis that there was no case to answer. That is relatively unusual. It is not "going through the motions" in any sense. Myers himself is an experienced advocate. Note that he got an acquittal in the case of Inspector Duckenfield over Hillsborough.

    Why the defence did not call as witnesses the medical experts they had is the big unanswered question. Another one is why Letby herself accepted that one of the babies had been poisoned by insulin.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 72,822
    edited March 9

    ydoethur said:

    SandraMc said:

    Phil said:

    FPT:

    Foxy said:

    Worth noting too that Private Eyes MD (Phil Hammond) has been spectacularly wrong at times over the years by presenting very one sided reports. Most notably on Wakefield and MMR. The idea that he is a neutral weigher of evidence is for the birds.

    https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC1123186/

    Was Hammond writing MD during the MMR debacle? Not Private Eye’s finest hour...
    Private Eye also claimed for years that Hanratty was innocent (although that was Paul Foot rather than Hammond).
    But then Private Eye has got a lot of miscarriages of justice right too.

    Paul Foot had me convinced.
    Foot probably knew more than he could publish. In the end I think he was agnostic on the matter.

    One thing that is almost universally acknowledged now is that Hanratty should have been acquitted on the evidence as it was presented to the jury. That is not to say he was definitely innocent (that was and remains unproveable) but the reasonable doubt principle should have been sufficient to get him off. This is where I think the location of the trial and the tabloid witchhunt played a part.
    Hmmmm.

    It is true that disclosure rules have changed since so the procedures followed then would not be up to modern standards.

    But the evidence presented was:

    1) That he had been identified by the survivor;

    2) That he'd stayed in the hotel room where two spent cartridges from the murder weapon were found;

    3) That the gun was hidden in a place he had previously used as a hiding place;

    4) That he had repeatedly lied about his whereabouts.

    I'm not altogether seeing why it is 'universally acknowledged' that he should have been acquitted? That's a pretty damning chain of evidence.

    That's before we get on to the vexed question of how, if he wasn't the murderer, his mucus was found on the handkerchief the gun was wrapped in. I know contamination theories have abounded and they could be plausible with the other DNA strands but that's a definite stumbling block.
    1) the survivor also failed to identify Hanratty iirc.

    3) the hiding place makes me believe he was guilty but I'd not want to hang a man on that.

    4) the questionable alibi that Hanratty was on the rob somewhere else was not put before the jury iirc.
    2) No she did not. She failed to identify Peter Alphon, whom Foot claimed later as the murderer (and indeed at various times claimed himself to be the murderer) at an earlier parade. She identified Hanratty the first time she saw and heard him and never wavered in her belief he was the killer.

    4) Hanratty said initially he was in Liverpool, but had no witnesses to prove it. He then said he had been in Rhyl, producing one person to confirm it who subsequently admitted she hadn't seen him.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 30,554
    Nigelb said:

    Nigelb said:

    The Yarvin article (published just before the invasion).

    https://graymirror.substack.com/p/a-new-foreign-policy-for-europe
    … But screw Putin. Forget these Slav-squatting, tracksuited snow-apes. What’s in it for us? What about America? (We’re all good Americans here, right?)

    Obviously, Gray Mirror can have no influence on the Biden administration. But, unless one of these saurians keels over, we are headed straight for a Biden-Trump 2024. A savage 2024—a real plate-throwing showdown in America’s broken marriage. Even now we all can feel the tension winding up.

    We need not mention the real Trump—obviously I don’t know the real Trump—but what would the ideal Trump do?

    If Trump triumphant returns to office in 2024, his first goal must not be to use power, but to take power—to relentlessly grow the scope of his office by bold, decisive action. And the proper arena for this action is foreign policy.

    Trump’s goal is to expand his power rather than getting results, because results are revenue and power is capital. Rather than fish with his hands, he makes a fishing rod. Action creates power because action makes precedent.

    If Trump can act on a scale on which no President in living memory has dared to act, his enemies will be daunted and afraid; his fans will be exhilarated and emboldened; and he will find it easier not just to get results, but to take even more power. Victory creates more victory, and there is no such thing as too much power.

    Of course, if these actions are bizarre, imprudent and detrimental to America’s goals, they become counterproductive rather than productive. What Trump needs is not just enormous actions, but enormous wins—as soon as possible, as big as possible.

    And those wins must ride roughshod over the most heartfelt beliefs and assumptions of his foes in the administrative state—then prove themselves by palpable success.

    It is much easier for a new President to assert his Constitutional right to control the executive branch by controlling foreign policy—since foreign policy, by definition, has no entirely domestic axe to grind. The President’s right, as chief executive of the executive branch, to dictate the budget, policy and personnel of that branch, is at its clearest in diplomacy and defense abroad.

    Therefore, Trump needs a dramatic foreign policy win that will be palpably good for America, and for the world in general, but can only be achieved by annihilating some network of power within the so-called “executive branch.” Ideally, the policy win is so complete that no organization can plausibly remain—the problem is simply gone…

    contd.
    … The goal of US foreign policy in Europe

    Under a Trump administration, the goal of US foreign policy in Europe is to impact domestic politics in America.

    There are no realistic American foreign-policy goals, in the usual sense, for Europe. Realistic foreign-policy goals are either military or economic. Europe is not a military threat to the United States in any way. Europe has a trade surplus with the US, which means that cutting off trade with Europe would by definition grow the US economy.

    Rather, under a Trump administration, the goal of US foreign policy in Europe is to impact domestic power in America. For example, the fall of Afghanistan liquidated the organizational structures within State and DoD that supported this shambolic puppet state. These structures are tough, but they cannot survive the end of their purpose.

    The liquidation of “Ukraine,” comedian-Presidents, petrochemical magnates and all—will be an enormous blow to both State and Defense. It will suggest to all State’s other client states that Washington can no longer guarantee their “sovereignty,” whether by diplomacy or by force.

    Give Russia a free hand on the Continent

    But thinking only in terms of “the Texas of Russia” is thinking way too small. Rather, Trump should give Russia a free hand not just in Russian-speaking territories—but all the way to the English Channel.

    The goal of a Trumpist foreign policy in Europe is to withdraw American influence from Europe. This will guarantee the defeat of liberalism on the Continent. Here in America, this will show liberals and conservatives alike that liberalism is mortal—with gargantuan effects on the morale of both. And as Clausewitz said, all conflicts are mainly about morale...

    A Russian shill in Washington thinks the way I have thought for a while. If it had the wherewithal the Russian sphere of influence would expand to the shores of the Atlantic.

    If Trump is merely transactional, what is (personally) in this for Trump?
  • Labour's odds of winning the next election must be pretty strong at this point.

    Reform have been exposed and the Tories look irrelevant. The question will be "the Putin Party or Labour?"
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 72,822
    New Zealand having started brightly now collapsing in an embarrassing heap.

    If only the ICC had had the gumption to tell India 'play in Pakistan or don't play at all.'
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 75,193

    Nigelb said:

    Nigelb said:

    The Yarvin article (published just before the invasion).

    https://graymirror.substack.com/p/a-new-foreign-policy-for-europe
    … But screw Putin. Forget these Slav-squatting, tracksuited snow-apes. What’s in it for us? What about America? (We’re all good Americans here, right?)

    Obviously, Gray Mirror can have no influence on the Biden administration. But, unless one of these saurians keels over, we are headed straight for a Biden-Trump 2024. A savage 2024—a real plate-throwing showdown in America’s broken marriage. Even now we all can feel the tension winding up.

    We need not mention the real Trump—obviously I don’t know the real Trump—but what would the ideal Trump do?

    If Trump triumphant returns to office in 2024, his first goal must not be to use power, but to take power—to relentlessly grow the scope of his office by bold, decisive action. And the proper arena for this action is foreign policy.

    Trump’s goal is to expand his power rather than getting results, because results are revenue and power is capital. Rather than fish with his hands, he makes a fishing rod. Action creates power because action makes precedent.

    If Trump can act on a scale on which no President in living memory has dared to act, his enemies will be daunted and afraid; his fans will be exhilarated and emboldened; and he will find it easier not just to get results, but to take even more power. Victory creates more victory, and there is no such thing as too much power.

    Of course, if these actions are bizarre, imprudent and detrimental to America’s goals, they become counterproductive rather than productive. What Trump needs is not just enormous actions, but enormous wins—as soon as possible, as big as possible.

    And those wins must ride roughshod over the most heartfelt beliefs and assumptions of his foes in the administrative state—then prove themselves by palpable success.

    It is much easier for a new President to assert his Constitutional right to control the executive branch by controlling foreign policy—since foreign policy, by definition, has no entirely domestic axe to grind. The President’s right, as chief executive of the executive branch, to dictate the budget, policy and personnel of that branch, is at its clearest in diplomacy and defense abroad.

    Therefore, Trump needs a dramatic foreign policy win that will be palpably good for America, and for the world in general, but can only be achieved by annihilating some network of power within the so-called “executive branch.” Ideally, the policy win is so complete that no organization can plausibly remain—the problem is simply gone…

    contd.
    … The goal of US foreign policy in Europe

    Under a Trump administration, the goal of US foreign policy in Europe is to impact domestic politics in America.

    There are no realistic American foreign-policy goals, in the usual sense, for Europe. Realistic foreign-policy goals are either military or economic. Europe is not a military threat to the United States in any way. Europe has a trade surplus with the US, which means that cutting off trade with Europe would by definition grow the US economy.

    Rather, under a Trump administration, the goal of US foreign policy in Europe is to impact domestic power in America. For example, the fall of Afghanistan liquidated the organizational structures within State and DoD that supported this shambolic puppet state. These structures are tough, but they cannot survive the end of their purpose.

    The liquidation of “Ukraine,” comedian-Presidents, petrochemical magnates and all—will be an enormous blow to both State and Defense. It will suggest to all State’s other client states that Washington can no longer guarantee their “sovereignty,” whether by diplomacy or by force.

    Give Russia a free hand on the Continent

    But thinking only in terms of “the Texas of Russia” is thinking way too small. Rather, Trump should give Russia a free hand not just in Russian-speaking territories—but all the way to the English Channel.

    The goal of a Trumpist foreign policy in Europe is to withdraw American influence from Europe. This will guarantee the defeat of liberalism on the Continent. Here in America, this will show liberals and conservatives alike that liberalism is mortal—with gargantuan effects on the morale of both. And as Clausewitz said, all conflicts are mainly about morale...

    A Russian shill in Washington thinks the way I have thought for a while. If it had the wherewithal the Russian sphere of influence would expand to the shores of the Atlantic.

    If Trump is merely transactional, what is (personally) in this for Trump?
    Trump is transactional; a very large proportion of his administration is more ideological.

    As an example, that seems a pretty good explanation for the Trump/Vance dynamic during the Zelenskyy meeting.

    Yarvin isn’t a Russia shill; he more of a Mein Kampf style theorist. As I said, a complete nutter.
  • Pro_RataPro_Rata Posts: 5,505
    Nigelb said:

    Nigelb said:

    The Yarvin article (published just before the invasion).

    https://graymirror.substack.com/p/a-new-foreign-policy-for-europe
    … But screw Putin. Forget these Slav-squatting, tracksuited snow-apes. What’s in it for us? What about America? (We’re all good Americans here, right?)

    Obviously, Gray Mirror can have no influence on the Biden administration. But, unless one of these saurians keels over, we are headed straight for a Biden-Trump 2024. A savage 2024—a real plate-throwing showdown in America’s broken marriage. Even now we all can feel the tension winding up.

    We need not mention the real Trump—obviously I don’t know the real Trump—but what would the ideal Trump do?

    If Trump triumphant returns to office in 2024, his first goal must not be to use power, but to take power—to relentlessly grow the scope of his office by bold, decisive action. And the proper arena for this action is foreign policy.

    Trump’s goal is to expand his power rather than getting results, because results are revenue and power is capital. Rather than fish with his hands, he makes a fishing rod. Action creates power because action makes precedent.

    If Trump can act on a scale on which no President in living memory has dared to act, his enemies will be daunted and afraid; his fans will be exhilarated and emboldened; and he will find it easier not just to get results, but to take even more power. Victory creates more victory, and there is no such thing as too much power.

    Of course, if these actions are bizarre, imprudent and detrimental to America’s goals, they become counterproductive rather than productive. What Trump needs is not just enormous actions, but enormous wins—as soon as possible, as big as possible.

    And those wins must ride roughshod over the most heartfelt beliefs and assumptions of his foes in the administrative state—then prove themselves by palpable success.

    It is much easier for a new President to assert his Constitutional right to control the executive branch by controlling foreign policy—since foreign policy, by definition, has no entirely domestic axe to grind. The President’s right, as chief executive of the executive branch, to dictate the budget, policy and personnel of that branch, is at its clearest in diplomacy and defense abroad.

    Therefore, Trump needs a dramatic foreign policy win that will be palpably good for America, and for the world in general, but can only be achieved by annihilating some network of power within the so-called “executive branch.” Ideally, the policy win is so complete that no organization can plausibly remain—the problem is simply gone…

    contd.
    … The goal of US foreign policy in Europe

    Under a Trump administration, the goal of US foreign policy in Europe is to impact domestic politics in America.

    There are no realistic American foreign-policy goals, in the usual sense, for Europe. Realistic foreign-policy goals are either military or economic. Europe is not a military threat to the United States in any way. Europe has a trade surplus with the US, which means that cutting off trade with Europe would by definition grow the US economy.

    Rather, under a Trump administration, the goal of US foreign policy in Europe is to impact domestic power in America. For example, the fall of Afghanistan liquidated the organizational structures within State and DoD that supported this shambolic puppet state. These structures are tough, but they cannot survive the end of their purpose.

    The liquidation of “Ukraine,” comedian-Presidents, petrochemical magnates and all—will be an enormous blow to both State and Defense. It will suggest to all State’s other client states that Washington can no longer guarantee their “sovereignty,” whether by diplomacy or by force.

    Give Russia a free hand on the Continent

    But thinking only in terms of “the Texas of Russia” is thinking way too small. Rather, Trump should give Russia a free hand not just in Russian-speaking territories—but all the way to the English Channel.

    The goal of a Trumpist foreign policy in Europe is to withdraw American influence from Europe. This will guarantee the defeat of liberalism on the Continent. Here in America, this will show liberals and conservatives alike that liberalism is mortal—with gargantuan effects on the morale of both. And as Clausewitz said, all conflicts are mainly about morale...

    Batshit in extremis.

    Was this the guy being quoted on here as some guru?
  • PhilPhil Posts: 2,505
    AnthonyT said:

    FPT

    Lucy Letby's defence counsel - https://www.exchangechambers.co.uk/people/benjamin-myers-kc/

    What his instructions were we don't know. But to suggest that he was just going through the motions is nonsense. The defence applied to have all the charges struck out on the basis that there was no case to answer. That is relatively unusual. It is not "going through the motions" in any sense. Myers himself is an experienced advocate. Note that he got an acquittal in the case of Inspector Duckenfield over Hillsborough.

    Why the defence did not call as witnesses the medical experts they had is the big unanswered question. Another one is why Letby herself accepted that one of the babies had been poisoned by insulin.

    The defence took the view that undermining the chief prosecution witness was their best possible approach. The jury disagreed with them.

    As to why Letby accepted that the babies had been poisoned by insulin - she was effectively trapped by the prosecution barrister into accepting his claim that the evidence meant that someone had been doing so. A better briefed defendant might have refused to make a claim either way on the basis that they didn’t have the expertise to make such a judgement.

    For the jury, once the idea that /someone/ was poisoning babies became the accepted truth, their conviction of Letby was probably inevitable.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 54,741
    AnthonyT said:

    FPT

    Lucy Letby's defence counsel - https://www.exchangechambers.co.uk/people/benjamin-myers-kc/

    What his instructions were we don't know. But to suggest that he was just going through the motions is nonsense. The defence applied to have all the charges struck out on the basis that there was no case to answer. That is relatively unusual. It is not "going through the motions" in any sense. Myers himself is an experienced advocate. Note that he got an acquittal in the case of Inspector Duckenfield over Hillsborough.

    Why the defence did not call as witnesses the medical experts they had is the big unanswered question. Another one is why Letby herself accepted that one of the babies had been poisoned by insulin.

    The only answer that makes any sense to me in respect of the defence experts is that, yes, they could knock holes in some parts of the Prosecution case but there were other parts where they would confirm agreement with it and, once they were in the witness box, that would come out and do more harm than good.

    These are difficult tactical decisions that have to be made in the course of trials and there has been too much hindsight applied to them without the relevant information. What the Letby case actually needs is for people to engage with the strongest parts of the Crown case, not the more marginal decisions. If the stronger cases can be undermined then it is worth taking a look at again. So far, I have not really seen that.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 25,707
    edited March 9
    Good morning everyone.

    I note that only 3 people predicted the number of Reform MPs going DOWN. :smile:

    That was @kinabalu 4, @MarqueeMark 3, and @ydoethur 3.

    Since I said 7 I'm probably toast unless the Leeanderthal Man develops multiple personalities, and returns to both the Conservative and Labour parties wearing different coloured suits, which he probably still has in his wardrobe just in case, standing in multiple constituencies.
  • MJWMJW Posts: 1,996
    Pro_Rata said:

    Nigelb said:

    Nigelb said:

    The Yarvin article (published just before the invasion).

    https://graymirror.substack.com/p/a-new-foreign-policy-for-europe
    … But screw Putin. Forget these Slav-squatting, tracksuited snow-apes. What’s in it for us? What about America? (We’re all good Americans here, right?)

    Obviously, Gray Mirror can have no influence on the Biden administration. But, unless one of these saurians keels over, we are headed straight for a Biden-Trump 2024. A savage 2024—a real plate-throwing showdown in America’s broken marriage. Even now we all can feel the tension winding up.

    We need not mention the real Trump—obviously I don’t know the real Trump—but what would the ideal Trump do?

    If Trump triumphant returns to office in 2024, his first goal must not be to use power, but to take power—to relentlessly grow the scope of his office by bold, decisive action. And the proper arena for this action is foreign policy.

    Trump’s goal is to expand his power rather than getting results, because results are revenue and power is capital. Rather than fish with his hands, he makes a fishing rod. Action creates power because action makes precedent.

    If Trump can act on a scale on which no President in living memory has dared to act, his enemies will be daunted and afraid; his fans will be exhilarated and emboldened; and he will find it easier not just to get results, but to take even more power. Victory creates more victory, and there is no such thing as too much power.

    Of course, if these actions are bizarre, imprudent and detrimental to America’s goals, they become counterproductive rather than productive. What Trump needs is not just enormous actions, but enormous wins—as soon as possible, as big as possible.

    And those wins must ride roughshod over the most heartfelt beliefs and assumptions of his foes in the administrative state—then prove themselves by palpable success.

    It is much easier for a new President to assert his Constitutional right to control the executive branch by controlling foreign policy—since foreign policy, by definition, has no entirely domestic axe to grind. The President’s right, as chief executive of the executive branch, to dictate the budget, policy and personnel of that branch, is at its clearest in diplomacy and defense abroad.

    Therefore, Trump needs a dramatic foreign policy win that will be palpably good for America, and for the world in general, but can only be achieved by annihilating some network of power within the so-called “executive branch.” Ideally, the policy win is so complete that no organization can plausibly remain—the problem is simply gone…

    contd.
    … The goal of US foreign policy in Europe

    Under a Trump administration, the goal of US foreign policy in Europe is to impact domestic politics in America.

    There are no realistic American foreign-policy goals, in the usual sense, for Europe. Realistic foreign-policy goals are either military or economic. Europe is not a military threat to the United States in any way. Europe has a trade surplus with the US, which means that cutting off trade with Europe would by definition grow the US economy.

    Rather, under a Trump administration, the goal of US foreign policy in Europe is to impact domestic power in America. For example, the fall of Afghanistan liquidated the organizational structures within State and DoD that supported this shambolic puppet state. These structures are tough, but they cannot survive the end of their purpose.

    The liquidation of “Ukraine,” comedian-Presidents, petrochemical magnates and all—will be an enormous blow to both State and Defense. It will suggest to all State’s other client states that Washington can no longer guarantee their “sovereignty,” whether by diplomacy or by force.

    Give Russia a free hand on the Continent

    But thinking only in terms of “the Texas of Russia” is thinking way too small. Rather, Trump should give Russia a free hand not just in Russian-speaking territories—but all the way to the English Channel.

    The goal of a Trumpist foreign policy in Europe is to withdraw American influence from Europe. This will guarantee the defeat of liberalism on the Continent. Here in America, this will show liberals and conservatives alike that liberalism is mortal—with gargantuan effects on the morale of both. And as Clausewitz said, all conflicts are mainly about morale...

    Batshit in extremis.

    Was this the guy being quoted on here as some guru?
    He is regarded as one by none less than the Vice President. Which is a problem because his 'thinking' is largely saying batshit or bad, old ideas that were tried and failed before, in updated language that appeals to the kind of people who read Nietzsche badly as a teenager and haven't altered their outlook since (e.g. swap 'dictator' for a country having a 'CEO').
  • RogerRoger Posts: 20,103
    edited March 9

    Labour's odds of winning the next election must be pretty strong at this point.

    Reform have been exposed and the Tories look irrelevant. The question will be "the Putin Party or Labour?"

    They look like the Tory Party without the 'nasty' which should give them enough to be the largest party. Whether they'll need the help of the Lib Dems I don't know. I hope so. Ed Davey is much underrated in my opinion.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 98,001
    Phil said:

    AnthonyT said:

    FPT

    Lucy Letby's defence counsel - https://www.exchangechambers.co.uk/people/benjamin-myers-kc/

    What his instructions were we don't know. But to suggest that he was just going through the motions is nonsense. The defence applied to have all the charges struck out on the basis that there was no case to answer. That is relatively unusual. It is not "going through the motions" in any sense. Myers himself is an experienced advocate. Note that he got an acquittal in the case of Inspector Duckenfield over Hillsborough.

    Why the defence did not call as witnesses the medical experts they had is the big unanswered question. Another one is why Letby herself accepted that one of the babies had been poisoned by insulin.

    The defence took the view that undermining the chief prosecution witness was their best possible approach. The jury disagreed with them.

    As to why Letby accepted that the babies had been poisoned by insulin - she was effectively trapped by the prosecution barrister into accepting his claim that the evidence meant that someone had been doing so. A better briefed defendant might have refused to make a claim either way on the basis that they didn’t have the expertise to make such a judgement.

    For the jury, once the idea that /someone/ was poisoning babies became the accepted truth, their conviction of Letby was probably inevitable.
    Miscarriages of justice happen, but i find a lot of online commentary appears to seize on one thing (often which was raised) and declare a little too confidently that therefore reasonable doubt MUST be the only fair outcome. A little doubt on the doubt would not go amiss in being persuasive i find, given theres a lot of pro prosecution rebuttals too.

    If it were so obviously outrageous call me naiive but I don't think the defence would be working a public campsign as much as a legal one, that suggests to me if there are indeed flaws they are not as slam dunk as suggested.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 64,658
    Nigelb said:

    This is a possible explanation for Trump’s Europe policy:

    "A New Foreign Policy for Europe: Give Russia a free hand on the Continent", Curtis Yarvin.

    The influence of a far-right ideologue on the Trump administration.

    1/25

    https://x.com/vic_010100/status/1898028601431175608

    As I’ve noted before, Yarvin is an utter loon, but one who apparently has considerable influence in the administration (and, as the above thread notes, even more on Vance).

    It is certainly what europeans need to prepare for.

    We must rearm.

    We should have started the minute Putin invaded eastern Ukraine.

    It is late now. But still time.
  • PhilPhil Posts: 2,505
    DavidL said:

    AnthonyT said:

    FPT

    Lucy Letby's defence counsel - https://www.exchangechambers.co.uk/people/benjamin-myers-kc/

    What his instructions were we don't know. But to suggest that he was just going through the motions is nonsense. The defence applied to have all the charges struck out on the basis that there was no case to answer. That is relatively unusual. It is not "going through the motions" in any sense. Myers himself is an experienced advocate. Note that he got an acquittal in the case of Inspector Duckenfield over Hillsborough.

    Why the defence did not call as witnesses the medical experts they had is the big unanswered question. Another one is why Letby herself accepted that one of the babies had been poisoned by insulin.

    The only answer that makes any sense to me in respect of the defence experts is that, yes, they could knock holes in some parts of the Prosecution case but there were other parts where they would confirm agreement with it and, once they were in the witness box, that would come out and do more harm than good.

    These are difficult tactical decisions that have to be made in the course of trials and there has been too much hindsight applied to them without the relevant information. What the Letby case actually needs is for people to engage with the strongest parts of the Crown case, not the more marginal decisions. If the stronger cases can be undermined then it is worth taking a look at again. So far, I have not really seen that.
    David Allen Green wrote about the choice as to whether a defence should call their own expert witnesses & the risk that they might say things that undermine your client here: https://davidallengreen.com/2024/07/the-lucy-letby-case-some-thoughts-and-observations-what-should-happen-when-a-defence-does-not-put-in-their-own-expert-evidence-for-good-reason-or-bad/

    Tactically, it seems that Letby’s defence thought that they had fatally undermined the prosecution expert witness & that this would be their client’s best hope of obtaining a Not Guilt verdict. Events have proved otherwise of course.

    The strongest case against Letby is the insulin poisonings it seems to me. If those are genuinely unsafe, as the Unherd article alleges, & the prosecution also withheld that information from the defence then her convictions must be reversed as the jury was instructed that they could use the fact that she had been found guilty of attempted murder in the insulin cases as evidence in the other cases where no hard evidence of direct harm could be found, only circumstantial evidence (which many have argued is also unsafe, but that’s another topic entirely).
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 42,960
    Tbh this does look a bit 2 tier-ish.

    https://x.com/Partisan_12/status/1898645076991229964
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,816
    The free hand for Russia up to the Channel has rather fallen down on the fact that it's taken three years to not take Ukraine.
    Yarvin and the rest can't think outside the Cold War superpower mindset.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 72,822
    MattW said:

    Good morning everyone.

    I note that only 3 people predicted the number of Reform MPs going DOWN. :smile:

    That was @kinabalu 4, @MarqueeMark 3, and @ydoethur 3.

    Since I said 7 I'm probably toast unless the Leeanderthal Man develops multiple personalities, and returns to both the Conservative and Labour parties wearing different coloured suits, which he probably still has in his wardrobe just in case, standing in multiple constituencies.

    If I get that right I'm going to be very conflicted.
  • PhilPhil Posts: 2,505
    kle4 said:

    Phil said:

    AnthonyT said:

    FPT

    Lucy Letby's defence counsel - https://www.exchangechambers.co.uk/people/benjamin-myers-kc/

    What his instructions were we don't know. But to suggest that he was just going through the motions is nonsense. The defence applied to have all the charges struck out on the basis that there was no case to answer. That is relatively unusual. It is not "going through the motions" in any sense. Myers himself is an experienced advocate. Note that he got an acquittal in the case of Inspector Duckenfield over Hillsborough.

    Why the defence did not call as witnesses the medical experts they had is the big unanswered question. Another one is why Letby herself accepted that one of the babies had been poisoned by insulin.

    The defence took the view that undermining the chief prosecution witness was their best possible approach. The jury disagreed with them.

    As to why Letby accepted that the babies had been poisoned by insulin - she was effectively trapped by the prosecution barrister into accepting his claim that the evidence meant that someone had been doing so. A better briefed defendant might have refused to make a claim either way on the basis that they didn’t have the expertise to make such a judgement.

    For the jury, once the idea that /someone/ was poisoning babies became the accepted truth, their conviction of Letby was probably inevitable.
    Miscarriages of justice happen, but i find a lot of online commentary appears to seize on one thing (often which was raised) and declare a little too confidently that therefore reasonable doubt MUST be the only fair outcome. A little doubt on the doubt would not go amiss in being persuasive i find, given theres a lot of pro prosecution rebuttals too.

    If it were so obviously outrageous call me naiive but I don't think the defence would be working a public campsign as much as a legal one, that suggests to me if there are indeed flaws they are not as slam dunk as suggested.
    There is no legal case for appeal - hence the PR campaign to move up the CCRC board assessment.

    This is because the criticisms of the case are about evidence which was available to the defence at the time of the original case & therefore cannot be used to appeal her convictions. Her application to appeal her convictions was (correctly, according to the law) thrown out by the appeal judges: No new evidence? No appeal.
  • RogerRoger Posts: 20,103
    ydoethur said:

    SandraMc said:

    Phil said:

    FPT:

    Foxy said:

    Worth noting too that Private Eyes MD (Phil Hammond) has been spectacularly wrong at times over the years by presenting very one sided reports. Most notably on Wakefield and MMR. The idea that he is a neutral weigher of evidence is for the birds.

    https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC1123186/

    Was Hammond writing MD during the MMR debacle? Not Private Eye’s finest hour...
    Private Eye also claimed for years that Hanratty was innocent (although that was Paul Foot rather than Hammond).
    But then Private Eye has got a lot of miscarriages of justice right too.

    Paul Foot had me convinced.
    Foot probably knew more than he could publish. In the end I think he was agnostic on the matter.

    One thing that is almost universally acknowledged now is that Hanratty should have been acquitted on the evidence as it was presented to the jury. That is not to say he was definitely innocent (that was and remains unproveable) but the reasonable doubt principle should have been sufficient to get him off. This is where I think the location of the trial and the tabloid witchhunt played a part.
    Hmmmm.

    It is true that disclosure rules have changed since so the procedures followed then would not be up to modern standards.

    But the evidence presented was:

    1) That he had been identified by the survivor;

    2) That he'd stayed in the hotel room where two spent cartridges from the murder weapon were found;

    3) That the gun was hidden in a place he had previously used as a hiding place;

    4) That he had repeatedly lied about his whereabouts.

    I'm not altogether seeing why it is 'universally acknowledged' that he should have been acquitted? That's a pretty damning chain of evidence.

    That's before we get on to the vexed question of how, if he wasn't the murderer, his mucus was found on the handkerchief the gun was wrapped in. I know contamination theories have abounded and they could be plausible with the other DNA strands but that's a definite stumbling block.
    Yes but if you ignore all that did they really have a case?
  • bigglesbiggles Posts: 6,724
    I also predicted an England Ashes win. Here’s hoping..:

    Currently I’d be happy just with confirmation that the world will last long enough to play the series.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 53,460
    eek said:

    FPT

    stodge said:

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/ce8m71rgpp4o

    Get on the LDs in Macclesfield.....

    Actually, the article is very interesting.

    At the other end of the 101 bus route from East Ham lies Wanstead which you would think would be archetypal Conservative suburban territory and it was when part of WSC's constituency but boundary changes have taken it into the new Leyton & Wanstead Constituency which is of course Labour (Greens second).

    Wanstead has a Gail's - it has at least seven other independent coffee shops and bakeries and having been there as recently as Friday morning, I can report all were doing excellent business in the March sunshine. I'm not surprised the coffee shop numbers are rising - it's the one part of the retail economy which seems to be flourishing and it's part of a significant cultural change toward, dare I say it, a more European-style cafe culture.

    It's also interesting the other local coffee shop owners are less bothered than some of the locals and to be honest if you have a favourite coffee shop you tend to stay loyal to it. There's nothing wrong with Gail's (it is overpriced) but if you know an area you probably know somewhere probably better and certainly cheaper.

    Let me put it another way - there are at least five other coffee shops and bakeries I would go to in Wanstead before Gail's (La Bakerie is my personal favourite if you are ever in the vicinity).
    The one thing Gail's offers an area is that it's got a certain decent demographic that is likely to encourage other shops (Seasalt, White Stuff....) that it's a town worth investigating / opening in.

    But I always support the independent coffee shops - I find (from the few times I've had a coffee there) that Gail's coffee is bland..
    Hating on Gail’s is the new WaitroseHate - sure sign of Anarchist Dads From Tooting.

  • FishingFishing Posts: 5,397
    kle4 said:

    DavidL said:

    FPT

    The biggest takeaway for me from the four juries I sat on was that they varied enormously in quality. In fact I came away with the distinct view that if you were a guilty defendant, the stupider the jury, the better your chances of getting away with it.

    One juror was so illiterate he couldn't read the oath. In the jury room he just nodded along with the prevailing sentiment which was that most of the jurors just wanted to get home and as a not guilty verdict was the quickest and easiest way of achieving this, he got off. The judge made it clear that he thought this was the wrong verdict, and i am sure he was right.

    By contrast, in a much more serious case, it was clear that the entire court thought the defendant would get off, but it was his misfortune to have some very smart people on the jury, some of whom had picked up on things missed by the court. The discussion was detailed, rational and highly responsible. To this day I am certin the guilty verdict was correct, and the defendant was simply unlucky to have so many smart people ruling on his case.

    The one serious contentious case with which I am deeply familiar is the A6 murder for which James Hanratty was hanged. There is little doubt that a material contributory factor in the guilty verdict was that the case, unusually, was held at Bedford rather than the Old Bailey. Bedford was close to the scene of the crime and feelings were running high at the time.

    I am not saying these examples makes the jury system bad, and I certainly don't have any magic formula for improving it, but the nature of the jury and the way it is selected seems to me a neglected area of study. If we understood more about it, some of the miscarriages we hear of might be avoided.

    I did my latest jury speech on Friday afternoon. It was a relief to get it out of the way by the weekend.

    In general, I have found juries very attentive and focused in the High Court, much more so than they tend to be for less serious trials in the Sheriff court. I have had the odd jury who have come back quickly with a not proven verdict that smacked of a reluctance to engage with the evidence but it has been rare, maybe 2 in 40 or so trials that come to mind.

    Even when I have disagreed with the jury's verdict I have seen how they got there. More often, I have had very discerning judgments where parts of the charge have been removed showing that they have gone through the evidence carefully.

    It is not a perfect system and there is a random element to it but in my view decisions by judges alone, whether on their own or in a panel of 3, would be worse.

    Yes, i can see big flaws, but eliminating the principle as some suggest serms counterproductive to me
    I think it would be improved by having professional jurors.

    In every other job, people get better at it by doing it repeatedly.

    Why should this most important function be any different?
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 75,193
    Pro_Rata said:

    Nigelb said:

    Nigelb said:

    The Yarvin article (published just before the invasion).

    https://graymirror.substack.com/p/a-new-foreign-policy-for-europe
    … But screw Putin. Forget these Slav-squatting, tracksuited snow-apes. What’s in it for us? What about America? (We’re all good Americans here, right?)

    Obviously, Gray Mirror can have no influence on the Biden administration. But, unless one of these saurians keels over, we are headed straight for a Biden-Trump 2024. A savage 2024—a real plate-throwing showdown in America’s broken marriage. Even now we all can feel the tension winding up.

    We need not mention the real Trump—obviously I don’t know the real Trump—but what would the ideal Trump do?

    If Trump triumphant returns to office in 2024, his first goal must not be to use power, but to take power—to relentlessly grow the scope of his office by bold, decisive action. And the proper arena for this action is foreign policy.

    Trump’s goal is to expand his power rather than getting results, because results are revenue and power is capital. Rather than fish with his hands, he makes a fishing rod. Action creates power because action makes precedent.

    If Trump can act on a scale on which no President in living memory has dared to act, his enemies will be daunted and afraid; his fans will be exhilarated and emboldened; and he will find it easier not just to get results, but to take even more power. Victory creates more victory, and there is no such thing as too much power.

    Of course, if these actions are bizarre, imprudent and detrimental to America’s goals, they become counterproductive rather than productive. What Trump needs is not just enormous actions, but enormous wins—as soon as possible, as big as possible.

    And those wins must ride roughshod over the most heartfelt beliefs and assumptions of his foes in the administrative state—then prove themselves by palpable success.

    It is much easier for a new President to assert his Constitutional right to control the executive branch by controlling foreign policy—since foreign policy, by definition, has no entirely domestic axe to grind. The President’s right, as chief executive of the executive branch, to dictate the budget, policy and personnel of that branch, is at its clearest in diplomacy and defense abroad.

    Therefore, Trump needs a dramatic foreign policy win that will be palpably good for America, and for the world in general, but can only be achieved by annihilating some network of power within the so-called “executive branch.” Ideally, the policy win is so complete that no organization can plausibly remain—the problem is simply gone…

    contd.
    … The goal of US foreign policy in Europe

    Under a Trump administration, the goal of US foreign policy in Europe is to impact domestic politics in America.

    There are no realistic American foreign-policy goals, in the usual sense, for Europe. Realistic foreign-policy goals are either military or economic. Europe is not a military threat to the United States in any way. Europe has a trade surplus with the US, which means that cutting off trade with Europe would by definition grow the US economy.

    Rather, under a Trump administration, the goal of US foreign policy in Europe is to impact domestic power in America. For example, the fall of Afghanistan liquidated the organizational structures within State and DoD that supported this shambolic puppet state. These structures are tough, but they cannot survive the end of their purpose.

    The liquidation of “Ukraine,” comedian-Presidents, petrochemical magnates and all—will be an enormous blow to both State and Defense. It will suggest to all State’s other client states that Washington can no longer guarantee their “sovereignty,” whether by diplomacy or by force.

    Give Russia a free hand on the Continent

    But thinking only in terms of “the Texas of Russia” is thinking way too small. Rather, Trump should give Russia a free hand not just in Russian-speaking territories—but all the way to the English Channel.

    The goal of a Trumpist foreign policy in Europe is to withdraw American influence from Europe. This will guarantee the defeat of liberalism on the Continent. Here in America, this will show liberals and conservatives alike that liberalism is mortal—with gargantuan effects on the morale of both. And as Clausewitz said, all conflicts are mainly about morale...

    Batshit in extremis.

    Was this the guy being quoted on here as some guru?
    Only to the extent that he is genuinely a guru to many on the US right.

    He's been around for years. I came across his blog over a decade ago, and he just seemed a nut back then, albeit one quite a few US conservatives read.

    With Trump back in power - and more particularly with the new crew around him, including Vance - he's a nut with mainstream influence.

    See, for example:
    Curtis Yarvin’s Ideas Were Fringe. Now They’re Coursing Through Trump’s Washington.
    https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2025/01/30/curtis-yarvins-ideas-00201552

    His ideas aren't coherent in any logical terms, but you have now to take them seriously. As much more powerful people than us are doing so.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 75,193
    dixiedean said:

    The free hand for Russia up to the Channel has rather fallen down on the fact that it's taken three years to not take Ukraine.
    Yarvin and the rest can't think outside the Cold War superpower mindset.

    Trump has only been in office this year, though.
    If Trump puts his hand in the other side of the scales, then its a different world.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 54,741
    ydoethur said:

    New Zealand having started brightly now collapsing in an embarrassing heap.

    If only the ICC had had the gumption to tell India 'play in Pakistan or don't play at all.'

    The loss of Latham is possibly terminal. As it was they were not scoring nearly quickly enough to set a total to frighten India's formidable batting line up. The fact India can do this without the best bowler in the world at present is pretty impressive.
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 42,960
    I feel one on one combat is an underused method of tackling international conflict resolution.

    https://x.com/front_ukrainian/status/1898627955850359036
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 34,255
    edited March 9
    dixiedean said:

    The free hand for Russia up to the Channel has rather fallen down on the fact that it's taken three years to not take Ukraine.
    Yarvin and the rest can't think outside the Cold War superpower mindset.

    The Red Army got bogged down in Eastern Europe around 100 years ago, and really was only able to sweep though in 1944-5 because by then most of the locals hated the Nazis at least as much, and probably more, than they hated the Soviets, and secondly because the Nazi army was fighting on three fronts...... Italy and North-Western Europe.... and was running low on men and munitions.
    Estonia had a Resistance movement active against the Soviets until, IIRC, almost the 60's and earlier the Finns had pretty well fought the Soviets to a standstill in 1940-1.

    I'm not a historian, so my recollections may be hazy and bear correction.
  • No_Offence_AlanNo_Offence_Alan Posts: 4,860
    Fishing said:

    kle4 said:

    DavidL said:

    FPT

    The biggest takeaway for me from the four juries I sat on was that they varied enormously in quality. In fact I came away with the distinct view that if you were a guilty defendant, the stupider the jury, the better your chances of getting away with it.

    One juror was so illiterate he couldn't read the oath. In the jury room he just nodded along with the prevailing sentiment which was that most of the jurors just wanted to get home and as a not guilty verdict was the quickest and easiest way of achieving this, he got off. The judge made it clear that he thought this was the wrong verdict, and i am sure he was right.

    By contrast, in a much more serious case, it was clear that the entire court thought the defendant would get off, but it was his misfortune to have some very smart people on the jury, some of whom had picked up on things missed by the court. The discussion was detailed, rational and highly responsible. To this day I am certin the guilty verdict was correct, and the defendant was simply unlucky to have so many smart people ruling on his case.

    The one serious contentious case with which I am deeply familiar is the A6 murder for which James Hanratty was hanged. There is little doubt that a material contributory factor in the guilty verdict was that the case, unusually, was held at Bedford rather than the Old Bailey. Bedford was close to the scene of the crime and feelings were running high at the time.

    I am not saying these examples makes the jury system bad, and I certainly don't have any magic formula for improving it, but the nature of the jury and the way it is selected seems to me a neglected area of study. If we understood more about it, some of the miscarriages we hear of might be avoided.

    I did my latest jury speech on Friday afternoon. It was a relief to get it out of the way by the weekend.

    In general, I have found juries very attentive and focused in the High Court, much more so than they tend to be for less serious trials in the Sheriff court. I have had the odd jury who have come back quickly with a not proven verdict that smacked of a reluctance to engage with the evidence but it has been rare, maybe 2 in 40 or so trials that come to mind.

    Even when I have disagreed with the jury's verdict I have seen how they got there. More often, I have had very discerning judgments where parts of the charge have been removed showing that they have gone through the evidence carefully.

    It is not a perfect system and there is a random element to it but in my view decisions by judges alone, whether on their own or in a panel of 3, would be worse.

    Yes, i can see big flaws, but eliminating the principle as some suggest seems counterproductive to me
    I think it would be improved by having professional jurors.

    In every other job, people get better at it by doing it repeatedly.

    Why should this most important function be any different?
    Harder to provide anonymity, and therefore protect them from undue influence and jury-nobbling.
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 34,255
    Nigelb said:

    dixiedean said:

    The free hand for Russia up to the Channel has rather fallen down on the fact that it's taken three years to not take Ukraine.
    Yarvin and the rest can't think outside the Cold War superpower mindset.

    Trump has only been in office this year, though.
    If Trump puts his hand in the other side of the scales, then its a different world.
    What if Putin decides he wants Alaska back?
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 98,001
    Shoplifters sure are brazen arent they? I just saw a guy with a basket full of meat (about 10 joints) whip past me near an M&S, look round furtively, stop less than 50 ft from the entrance but out of sight of it, put the meat in his jacket then jog away leaving the basket.

    Ill report my suspicion i guess but i doubt the police will welcome it, they tend to know the prolific individuals already.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 98,001

    Nigelb said:

    dixiedean said:

    The free hand for Russia up to the Channel has rather fallen down on the fact that it's taken three years to not take Ukraine.
    Yarvin and the rest can't think outside the Cold War superpower mindset.

    Trump has only been in office this year, though.
    If Trump puts his hand in the other side of the scales, then its a different world.
    What if Putin decides he wants Alaska back?
    It votes Republican, it'll be fine.
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