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  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 64,759
    edited March 7
    Rupert Lowe has whip withdrawn

    Reform now 4 mps
  • TimSTimS Posts: 14,421

    Russian spy ring found in Great Yarmouth. And the MP for Great Yarmouth is.....
    Makes you fink, dunnit?

    I was wondering if they were accelerating raids in case the US starts passing intel to Russia, but it turns out this was the court case and they were arrested a while back.
  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 18,044

    kle4 said:

    kle4 said:

    Lowe hits back:

    https://x.com/rupertlowe10/status/1898064525007462499

    I am disappointed, but not surprised, to read Reform’s untrue and false allegations. Let me be abundantly clear - this investigation is based on zero credible evidence against me, as has been repeatedly stated by the neutral investigator. None has been provided.

    I have cooperated and spoken at length with the KC they instructed, at great cost to the party, to investigate a minor staff matter.

    I have just spoken to the KC. She is dismayed that this statement has been made, and reiterated that no evidence against me has been sent to her. She stated that this has been issued before the investigation has even started.

    [...]

    I do not believe that Reform members will be pleased to know that their membership fees are being spent on instructing expensive lawyers to investigate their own MPs, over matters that are entirely baseless and have been dealt with in the correct Parliamentary procedure, with HR’s full involvement and support. The staff member in question only raised a vexatious complaint once disciplinary proceedings had been initiated against them for serious wrongdoing. The other individual mentioned, dropped her appeal.

    If they want to kick me out over false claims, they’ll have to finally present some credible evidence against me. There is none, as the KC has just told me. Again.

    A complete inability to accept even the most mild constructive criticism without such a malicious reaction is not effective leadership.

    This is our party as much as it is Nigel’s.

    This is is a welcome distraction, a bit of no holds barred party infighing is always fun. Though if one side is vastly stronger than the other I'm not sure how much longer the entertainment will run.
    I think Farage might have miscalculated this time. He's not used to running a party with this level of support so it will be much harder to manage internal opinion.
    Referral to the police was a pretty big step, especially if nothing comes of it. But if several prominent people split where will they go? And where will the voters go - hundreds of candidates are already lined up for them to vote for, and they make a big play of being unlike any of the others (a bit too much, frankly).
    What happens if Lowe refuses to go and its evident that the party's supporters back him over Farage? Even with the dodgy ownership structure, how could Farage maintain control? It's also much harder to marginalise someone who is an elected MP doing an effective job.
    Where have Reform got to with their internal reforms? Under the old structure, Nigel could presumably do whatever he damn well wanted. Because, whatever his MP colleagues think, it literally was his party and not theirs.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 54,123

    Rupert Lowe has whip withdrawn

    Reform now 4 mps

    Farage has bitten off more than he can chew this time. Reform supporters will turn against him, Tice and Yusuf.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 58,881
    edited March 7
    Lowe is, incidentally, a rather good public speaker. If you like firmly rightwing no nonsense opinions expressed clearly, confidently, and articulately. Trouble is:

    1. He's too old

    and

    2. He hasn't got Farage's rizz

    I can imagine he has a loyal chunk of Reform activists who prefer him to Nige, but it won't be enough if it comes to a shootout

    What Reform desperately need is a cadre of younger sassier telegenic new politicians. That is what all the successful populist rightwing parties in the EU have done - from Meloni to Bardella etc. Indeed that is probably exactly what reform needs: a younger WOMAN

    Holly Vallance?
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 54,123
    https://x.com/rupertlowe10/status/1898072686279930199

    I asked reasonable and constructive questions of Nigel Farage and Reform's leadership, following months of pushing for progress behind closed doors.

    The day after, I find a knife in my back over false allegations. Whip suspended.

    That tells you everything you need to know.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 121,185
    IanB2 said:

    Rupert Lowe has whip withdrawn

    Reform now 4 mps

    Hot news for this years annual competition entrants!
    This is why Ben and myself added that question.
  • AugustusCarp2AugustusCarp2 Posts: 257
    Any chance of some by elections in Reform-held seats?
  • LeonLeon Posts: 58,881

    Rupert Lowe has whip withdrawn

    Reform now 4 mps

    Farage has bitten off more than he can chew this time. Reform supporters will turn against him, Tice and Yusuf.
    But if Reform lose Nigel then Reform are finished. They are not ready for the big time without Nige
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 97,999

    https://x.com/rupertlowe10/status/1898072686279930199

    I asked reasonable and constructive questions of Nigel Farage and Reform's leadership, following months of pushing for progress behind closed doors.

    The day after, I find a knife in my back over false allegations. Whip suspended.

    That tells you everything you need to know.

    It tells me he apparently knew nothing about Farage and how he operates before he joined the party. He's got a likeable enough aura to him, but he didn't exactly hide why he left UKIP and set up his own party. One where the Leader knew to step aside the instant he wanted the role back.
  • MoonRabbitMoonRabbit Posts: 13,967
    Breaking News. Former Reform MP Rupert Lowe, Noticeably observed avoiding windows.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 50,822
    Leon said:

    Lowe is, incidentally, a rather good public speaker. If you like firmly rightwing no nonsense opinions expressed clearly, confidently, and articulately. Trouble is:

    1. He's too old

    and

    2. He hasn't got Farage's rizz

    I can imagine he has a loyal chunk of Reform activists who prefer him to Nige, but it won't be enough if it comes to a shootout

    What Reform desperately need is a cadre of younger sassier telegenic new politicians. That is what all the successful populist rightwing parties in the EU have done - from Meloni to Bardella etc. Indeed that is probably exactly what reform needs: a younger WOMAN

    Holly Vallance?

    You can have Suella and are welcome to her.
  • nico67nico67 Posts: 4,818

    Rupert Lowe has whip withdrawn

    Reform now 4 mps

    They’ve still got the MP previously done for beating up his girlfriend. Apparently we should all be forgiving according to Tice .

  • LeonLeon Posts: 58,881
    If Reform implodes this is a ramrkable opportunity for the Tories, but they need Jenrick in charge not Kemi. Jenrick is the one with the rightwing nous to attract Reform voters and win a GE
  • JonathanJonathan Posts: 22,100
    Blimey. It seems that Reform really are deadly serious about eclipsing the Conservative Party.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 64,759
    Leon said:

    Rupert Lowe has whip withdrawn

    Reform now 4 mps

    Farage has bitten off more than he can chew this time. Reform supporters will turn against him, Tice and Yusuf.
    But if Reform lose Nigel then Reform are finished. They are not ready for the big time without Nige
    Your last sentence doesn't need the last 2 words !!!
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 97,999
    Leon said:

    If Reform implodes this is a ramrkable opportunity for the Tories, but they need Jenrick in charge not Kemi. Jenrick is the one with the rightwing nous to attract Reform voters and win a GE

    The Jenrick needs to do whatever he would have done had he been leader to make the Tories stronger - if it is obviously down to him then the campaign to push Kemi aside will only get stronger.
  • nico67nico67 Posts: 4,818
    Leon said:

    If Reform implodes this is a ramrkable opportunity for the Tories, but they need Jenrick in charge not Kemi. Jenrick is the one with the rightwing nous to attract Reform voters and win a GE

    You mean he likes performative cruelty so should go down well with the party .
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 64,646
    (((Dan Hodges)))
    @DPJHodges
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    9m
    Some people getting very excited about the Reform civil-war. But I suspect there will only be one winner. As I said, Rupert Lowe has had his head turned by Musk. But to the public Nigel Farage basically is Reform. Don't see how Lowe comes out on top.
  • GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 22,109
    edited March 7
    Leon said:

    Rupert Lowe has whip withdrawn

    Reform now 4 mps

    Farage has bitten off more than he can chew this time. Reform supporters will turn against him, Tice and Yusuf.
    But if Reform lose Nigel then Reform are finished. They are not ready for the big time without Nige
    They never were, and never will be.
    It’s a one-man band.

    Only real idiots profess to support them.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 58,881
    edited March 7
    IanB2 said:

    Leon said:

    Lowe is, incidentally, a rather good public speaker. If you like firmly rightwing no nonsense opinions expressed clearly, confidently, and articulately. Trouble is:

    1. He's too old

    and

    2. He hasn't got Farage's rizz

    I can imagine he has a loyal chunk of Reform activists who prefer him to Nige, but it won't be enough if it comes to a shootout

    What Reform desperately need is a cadre of younger sassier telegenic new politicians. That is what all the successful populist rightwing parties in the EU have done - from Meloni to Bardella etc. Indeed that is probably exactly what reform needs: a younger WOMAN

    Holly Vallance?

    You can have Suella and are welcome to her.
    No they need someone HOT

    Holly Vallance is HOT (for an older lady type)
  • GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 22,109
    Wasn’t Truss seen dining with Lowe recently?

    Pork markets are skyrocketing.
  • FF43FF43 Posts: 17,766
    edited March 7

    Sky News.

    Trump 'finding it more difficult to deal with Ukraine' - and says he believes Putin

    Ukraine has to "get on the ball and get the job done", Donald Trump says now as he answers questions on the war.

    "They're bombing the hell out of Ukraine... I'm finding it more difficult, frankly, to deal with Ukraine," he adds.

    Russia has "all the cards", he says, and says it "may be easier" to deal with Moscow, despite their position.

    Asked if he believes Vladimir Putin when he says he wants peace, Trump says "yeah... I believe him".

    On the one hand Trump doesn't think the Ukrainians have any agency; on the other it's all their fault.

    I know we'll never get any consistency or logic out of the man but he sure hits you in the stomach.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 97,999
    Leon said:

    IanB2 said:

    Leon said:

    Lowe is, incidentally, a rather good public speaker. If you like firmly rightwing no nonsense opinions expressed clearly, confidently, and articulately. Trouble is:

    1. He's too old

    and

    2. He hasn't got Farage's rizz

    I can imagine he has a loyal chunk of Reform activists who prefer him to Nige, but it won't be enough if it comes to a shootout

    What Reform desperately need is a cadre of younger sassier telegenic new politicians. That is what all the successful populist rightwing parties in the EU have done - from Meloni to Bardella etc. Indeed that is probably exactly what reform needs: a younger WOMAN

    Holly Vallance?

    You can have Suella and are welcome to her.
    No they need someone HOT

    Holly Vallance is HOT (for an older lady type)
    I very much enjoyed her performance in the movie DOA.
  • GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 22,109
    I look forward to Rupert Lowe standing for the National Bocialists in North Minehead.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 58,881
    FF43 said:

    Jews should pay for their own Holocaust memorial because they have "an awful lot of money"

    Sky News.

    Trump 'finding it more difficult to deal with Ukraine' - and says he believes Putin

    Ukraine has to "get on the ball and get the job done", Donald Trump says now as he answers questions on the war.

    "They're bombing the hell out of Ukraine... I'm finding it more difficult, frankly, to deal with Ukraine," he adds.

    Russia has "all the cards", he says, and says it "may be easier" to deal with Moscow, despite their position.

    Asked if he believes Vladimir Putin when he says he wants peace, Trump says "yeah... I believe him".

    On the one hand Trump doesn't think the Ukrainians have any agency; on the other it's all their fault.

    I know we'll never get any consistency or logic out of the man but he sure hits you in the stomach.
    Really unfortunate first line there, which I am deliberately immortalising with this quick reply
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 64,646
    edited March 7
    IanB2 said:

    Rupert Lowe has whip withdrawn

    Reform now 4 mps

    Hot news for this years annual competition entrants!
    oh dear. I just checked my notes and I put Reform down to have seven MPs by year end. LOL.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 50,822

    Leon said:

    Rupert Lowe has whip withdrawn

    Reform now 4 mps

    Farage has bitten off more than he can chew this time. Reform supporters will turn against him, Tice and Yusuf.
    But if Reform lose Nigel then Reform are finished. They are not ready for the big time without Nige
    They never were, and never will be.
    It’s a one-man band.

    Only real idiots profess to support them.
    If their support halves every couple of months, how long before they are gone?

    One for Leon to try and puzzle out.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 58,881
    FF43 said:

    Sky News.

    Trump 'finding it more difficult to deal with Ukraine' - and says he believes Putin

    Ukraine has to "get on the ball and get the job done", Donald Trump says now as he answers questions on the war.

    "They're bombing the hell out of Ukraine... I'm finding it more difficult, frankly, to deal with Ukraine," he adds.

    Russia has "all the cards", he says, and says it "may be easier" to deal with Moscow, despite their position.

    Asked if he believes Vladimir Putin when he says he wants peace, Trump says "yeah... I believe him".

    On the one hand Trump doesn't think the Ukrainians have any agency; on the other it's all their fault.

    I know we'll never get any consistency or logic out of the man but he sure hits you in the stomach.
    Too late, I screenshot it. You said:

    "Jews should pay for their own Holocaust memorial because they have "an awful lot of money""
  • WhisperingOracleWhisperingOracle Posts: 9,855
    Rupert Lowe sounds somehow intrinsically disappointing, because of the associations of his name.

    He should be Rob Lowe, Robert Everett or Rupert Brooke, but he"s Ian Duncan-Smith.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 97,999

    I look forward to Rupert Lowe standing for the National Bocialists in North Minehead.

    These types always set up their own parties, they cannot play nice with others (Farage cannot either, but gets big enough support to get people on board).

    Heritage is one.
  • WhisperingOracleWhisperingOracle Posts: 9,855
    Rupert Everett, that should ofcourse be there.
  • TimSTimS Posts: 14,421
    kle4 said:

    Leon said:

    If Reform implodes this is a ramrkable opportunity for the Tories, but they need Jenrick in charge not Kemi. Jenrick is the one with the rightwing nous to attract Reform voters and win a GE

    The Jenrick needs to do whatever he would have done had he been leader to make the Tories stronger - if it is obviously down to him then the campaign to push Kemi aside will only get stronger.
    Jenrick seems to be the default leader in waiting. The IDS. The Corbyn. The Kinnock. The second leader after election defeat.

    I think he would do better than Kemi now. I think the avuncular Cleverly would do better still in the current global climate, but the members wouldn’t stand for that.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 53,157
    @Leon is PB's Ultimate Centrist Dad :lol:
  • GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 22,109
    I don’t think Jenrick would do well at all.
    For every “very online” loon like Leon he’d attract, he’d turn away many more.
  • FF43FF43 Posts: 17,766
    Leon said:

    FF43 said:

    Jews should pay for their own Holocaust memorial because they have "an awful lot of money"

    Sky News.

    Trump 'finding it more difficult to deal with Ukraine' - and says he believes Putin

    Ukraine has to "get on the ball and get the job done", Donald Trump says now as he answers questions on the war.

    "They're bombing the hell out of Ukraine... I'm finding it more difficult, frankly, to deal with Ukraine," he adds.

    Russia has "all the cards", he says, and says it "may be easier" to deal with Moscow, despite their position.

    Asked if he believes Vladimir Putin when he says he wants peace, Trump says "yeah... I believe him".

    On the one hand Trump doesn't think the Ukrainians have any agency; on the other it's all their fault.

    I know we'll never get any consistency or logic out of the man but he sure hits you in the stomach.
    Really unfortunate first line there, which I am deliberately immortalising with this quick reply
    Sure. I'll complete my other comment.

    Conservative peer, Lord Hamilton: Jews should pay for their own Holocaust memorial because they have "an awful lot of money"

    Conservative Party spokesman: "Completely unacceptable and flagrantly antisemitic"

    Kemi Badenoch: "Lord Hamilton misspoke and he's apologised and I think that should be the end of the matter."

    I don't think so.

  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 22,658
    All going well for REF, then? 😂
  • WhisperingOracleWhisperingOracle Posts: 9,855
    Jenrick, I find to be somewhat disconcerting.
    Look at his facial expressions when he's not talking.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 53,157
    Leon said:

    FF43 said:

    Sky News.

    Trump 'finding it more difficult to deal with Ukraine' - and says he believes Putin

    Ukraine has to "get on the ball and get the job done", Donald Trump says now as he answers questions on the war.

    "They're bombing the hell out of Ukraine... I'm finding it more difficult, frankly, to deal with Ukraine," he adds.

    Russia has "all the cards", he says, and says it "may be easier" to deal with Moscow, despite their position.

    Asked if he believes Vladimir Putin when he says he wants peace, Trump says "yeah... I believe him".

    On the one hand Trump doesn't think the Ukrainians have any agency; on the other it's all their fault.

    I know we'll never get any consistency or logic out of the man but he sure hits you in the stomach.
    Too late, I screenshot it. You said:

    "Jews should pay for their own Holocaust memorial because they have "an awful lot of money""
    Duh, that was LORD HAMILTON yesterday:

    Jews have the money to ‘pay for own’ Holocaust memorial, says Tory peer

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2025/03/06/jews-fund-uk-holocaust-memorial-lots-money-tory-peer/?msockid=1b867efda40d63051b4d6bc5a5cf6214

  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 64,646
    Trump 2.0 is just plain dangerous:



    ‪David Corn‬ ‪@davidcorn.bsky.social‬
    ·
    24m
    Deregulating the chicken industry when bird flu is a threat sounds really damn stupid. Are they trying to kill us?

    https://bsky.app/profile/davidcorn.bsky.social/post/3ljslnga7wc2r
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 50,822
    The Norwegian wins the young handler competition, with the Netherlands in second place and the country everyone now hates coming in third.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 64,646
    Spectator had a long piece last week looking at how professional Reform was becoming and introducing all the slick new backroom aides who were going to get a grip and put the party into power.
  • kjhkjh Posts: 12,298
    IanB2 said:

    Leon said:

    Rupert Lowe has whip withdrawn

    Reform now 4 mps

    Farage has bitten off more than he can chew this time. Reform supporters will turn against him, Tice and Yusuf.
    But if Reform lose Nigel then Reform are finished. They are not ready for the big time without Nige
    They never were, and never will be.
    It’s a one-man band.

    Only real idiots profess to support them.
    If their support halves every couple of months, how long before they are gone?

    One for Leon to try and puzzle out.
    Lol.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 58,881

    I don’t think Jenrick would do well at all.
    For every “very online” loon like Leon he’d attract, he’d turn away many more.

    Jenrick got Labour to crap themselves just yesterday, and reinforced the Two Tier Keir narrative, with one deft bit of politicking (and observant aides, I am guessing). He made Sabana Mahmood scramble, awkwardly

    He is simply better at politics than Kemi B (and I like Kemi, she just hasn't got the chops). Indeed he seems to be the only Tory who is capable of taking it to Labour - can you name any one thing that any of the others have done? They are pitiful

    Someone like Jenrick is what the Tories need now, urgently. A fighter. With a cruel and ruthless streak. They need someone determined, ambitious, and with a striking resemblance to the leader singer of the Killers. That seems to be Jenrick

    If you can name an obviously superior candidate that is right now a Tory MP without making everyone roll on the floor with derisory laughter then go ahead. We can rule out Cleverly for a start, because lol
  • bigglesbiggles Posts: 6,724
    FF43 said:

    Sky News.

    Trump 'finding it more difficult to deal with Ukraine' - and says he believes Putin

    Ukraine has to "get on the ball and get the job done", Donald Trump says now as he answers questions on the war.

    "They're bombing the hell out of Ukraine... I'm finding it more difficult, frankly, to deal with Ukraine," he adds.

    Russia has "all the cards", he says, and says it "may be easier" to deal with Moscow, despite their position.

    Asked if he believes Vladimir Putin when he says he wants peace, Trump says "yeah... I believe him".

    On the one hand Trump doesn't think the Ukrainians have any agency; on the other it's all their fault.

    I know we'll never get any consistency or logic out of the man but he sure hits you in the stomach.
    I have never been more angry at a politician. You can sense it on here and elsewhere can’t you? Trump is a #### for what he does, but also makes us feel ashamed to feel so powerless and unable to tell the US “sod off, we’ll take it from here”.

    I voted for Brexit and don’t regret that vote, but my god I’m in favour of a coordinated rearmament programme and Europe showing Russia up as the tin pot little country it is. Putin needs to be put in his box, and the U.S. left alone on the naughty step.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 50,822
    Leon said:

    I don’t think Jenrick would do well at all.
    For every “very online” loon like Leon he’d attract, he’d turn away many more.

    Jenrick got Labour to crap themselves just yesterday, and reinforced the Two Tier Keir narrative, with one deft bit of politicking (and observant aides, I am guessing). He made Sabana Mahmood scramble, awkwardly

    He is simply better at politics than Kemi B (and I like Kemi, she just hasn't got the chops). Indeed he seems to be the only Tory who is capable of taking it to Labour - can you name any one thing that any of the others have done? They are pitiful

    Someone like Jenrick is what the Tories need now, urgently. A fighter. With a cruel and ruthless streak. They need someone determined, ambitious, and with a striking resemblance to the leader singer of the Killers. That seems to be Jenrick

    If you can name an obviously superior candidate that is right now a Tory MP without making everyone roll on the floor with derisory laughter then go ahead. We can rule out Cleverly for a start, because lol
    The Nasty Party tag was offered as self criticism, not an aspiration.
  • bigglesbiggles Posts: 6,724

    I don’t think Jenrick would do well at all.
    For every “very online” loon like Leon he’d attract, he’d turn away many more.

    If there was a vacancy and they didn’t pick Cleverly they’d be idiots.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 58,881
    FF43 said:

    Leon said:

    FF43 said:

    Jews should pay for their own Holocaust memorial because they have "an awful lot of money"

    Sky News.

    Trump 'finding it more difficult to deal with Ukraine' - and says he believes Putin

    Ukraine has to "get on the ball and get the job done", Donald Trump says now as he answers questions on the war.

    "They're bombing the hell out of Ukraine... I'm finding it more difficult, frankly, to deal with Ukraine," he adds.

    Russia has "all the cards", he says, and says it "may be easier" to deal with Moscow, despite their position.

    Asked if he believes Vladimir Putin when he says he wants peace, Trump says "yeah... I believe him".

    On the one hand Trump doesn't think the Ukrainians have any agency; on the other it's all their fault.

    I know we'll never get any consistency or logic out of the man but he sure hits you in the stomach.
    Really unfortunate first line there, which I am deliberately immortalising with this quick reply
    Sure. I'll complete my other comment.

    Conservative peer, Lord Hamilton: Jews should pay for their own Holocaust memorial because they have "an awful lot of money"

    Conservative Party spokesman: "Completely unacceptable and flagrantly antisemitic"

    Kemi Badenoch: "Lord Hamilton misspoke and he's apologised and I think that should be the end of the matter."

    I don't think so.

    I was only teasing. It was clear from your mad blockquoting that you didn't mean to say, of your own volition, that mad thing about Jews

    It is a bizarrely clumsy remark from this Tory. That said, I honestly don't see why London needs a Holocaust memorial that takes up precious parkland in the centre of town
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 97,999
    biggles said:

    FF43 said:

    Sky News.

    Trump 'finding it more difficult to deal with Ukraine' - and says he believes Putin

    Ukraine has to "get on the ball and get the job done", Donald Trump says now as he answers questions on the war.

    "They're bombing the hell out of Ukraine... I'm finding it more difficult, frankly, to deal with Ukraine," he adds.

    Russia has "all the cards", he says, and says it "may be easier" to deal with Moscow, despite their position.

    Asked if he believes Vladimir Putin when he says he wants peace, Trump says "yeah... I believe him".

    On the one hand Trump doesn't think the Ukrainians have any agency; on the other it's all their fault.

    I know we'll never get any consistency or logic out of the man but he sure hits you in the stomach.
    I have never been more angry at a politician. You can sense it on here and elsewhere can’t you? Trump is a #### for what he does, but also makes us feel ashamed to feel so powerless and unable to tell the US “sod off, we’ll take it from here”.

    I voted for Brexit and don’t regret that vote, but my god I’m in favour of a coordinated rearmament programme and Europe showing Russia up as the tin pot little country it is. Putin needs to be put in his box, and the U.S. left alone on the naughty step.
    He's a constant reminder that arrogant and crude bullies can and do get ahead in life, more often than not. And he's doing it with international consequences. It's like he's designed to make us feel impotent and depressed, unless someone is simultaneously a fan of a particular kind of american economic policy and Putin support (many are one or the other, not both).
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 37,074
    The American constitution was designed to prevent a King exercising prerogative powers.

    Trumpski has shown it is inadequate to the task.

    Assuming the republic survives, I am mildly curious what attempts they will make to Trump-proof it in the future
  • GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 22,109
    Leon said:

    I don’t think Jenrick would do well at all.
    For every “very online” loon like Leon he’d attract, he’d turn away many more.

    Jenrick got Labour to crap themselves just yesterday, and reinforced the Two Tier Keir narrative, with one deft bit of politicking (and observant aides, I am guessing). He made Sabana Mahmood scramble, awkwardly

    He is simply better at politics than Kemi B (and I like Kemi, she just hasn't got the chops). Indeed he seems to be the only Tory who is capable of taking it to Labour - can you name any one thing that any of the others have done? They are pitiful

    Someone like Jenrick is what the Tories need now, urgently. A fighter. With a cruel and ruthless streak. They need someone determined, ambitious, and with a striking resemblance to the leader singer of the Killers. That seems to be Jenrick

    If you can name an obviously superior candidate that is right now a Tory MP without making everyone roll on the floor with derisory laughter then go ahead. We can rule out Cleverly for a start, because lol
    I agree he is a very effective tactician.
    I just think he is cryptonite to most of middle England.

  • bigglesbiggles Posts: 6,724
    kle4 said:

    biggles said:

    FF43 said:

    Sky News.

    Trump 'finding it more difficult to deal with Ukraine' - and says he believes Putin

    Ukraine has to "get on the ball and get the job done", Donald Trump says now as he answers questions on the war.

    "They're bombing the hell out of Ukraine... I'm finding it more difficult, frankly, to deal with Ukraine," he adds.

    Russia has "all the cards", he says, and says it "may be easier" to deal with Moscow, despite their position.

    Asked if he believes Vladimir Putin when he says he wants peace, Trump says "yeah... I believe him".

    On the one hand Trump doesn't think the Ukrainians have any agency; on the other it's all their fault.

    I know we'll never get any consistency or logic out of the man but he sure hits you in the stomach.
    I have never been more angry at a politician. You can sense it on here and elsewhere can’t you? Trump is a #### for what he does, but also makes us feel ashamed to feel so powerless and unable to tell the US “sod off, we’ll take it from here”.

    I voted for Brexit and don’t regret that vote, but my god I’m in favour of a coordinated rearmament programme and Europe showing Russia up as the tin pot little country it is. Putin needs to be put in his box, and the U.S. left alone on the naughty step.
    He's a constant reminder that arrogant and crude bullies can and do get ahead in life, more often than not. And he's doing it with international consequences. It's like he's designed to make us feel impotent and depressed, unless someone is simultaneously a fan of a particular kind of american economic policy and Putin support (many are one or the other, not both).
    It feels like a turning point, and it is far from certain it will all be ok in the end.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 37,074
    @davidallengreen.bsky.social‬

    The Reform Party described the arrival of their five MPs as being like Reservoir Dogs and we scoffed and said they had only seen the opening scenes, but they were actually right about how it would play out.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 97,999
    Scott_xP said:

    The American constitution was designed to prevent a King exercising prerogative powers.

    Trumpski has shown it is inadequate to the task.

    Assuming the republic survives, I am mildly curious what attempts they will make to Trump-proof it in the future

    Trump has advanced the opinion before, and several Justices agree, that the powers of the Presidency are essentially without restriction. Seems counter to the whole founding narrative of the nation to me, but they're the ones with the power.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 44,291
    edited March 7
    Tariffs. You put them on and that's a story but it soon fades. No good. How do I squeeze maximum ongoing eyeballs out of it? Easy. I announce and unannounce, put them on, take them off, first this country and then that one, have a row, have a phone call, have another presser, speak to Fox, fire up Truth Social, maybe suspend those tariffs, or maybe not, or maybe just partially, yabba yabba yabba ...
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 50,822
    Next is the judging for the utility group. Which, despite its name, seems to include a lot of dogs that aren’t very useful.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 30,501
    Nigelb said:

    Scott_xP said:

    @josh_wingrove

    Trump just pledged new tariffs on Canada, either for lumber and dairy (or maybe everything, it's unclear) -- as soon as today, or on Monday or Tuesday. He's speaking in the Oval Office still.

    In, out, shake it all about...

    I don't think he has a clue what he's doing.
    He just wants to be doing 'stuff'.
    Thank goodness senile old Joe Biden didn't win!
  • GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 22,109
    edited March 7
    Leon said:

    FF43 said:

    Leon said:

    FF43 said:

    Jews should pay for their own Holocaust memorial because they have "an awful lot of money"

    Sky News.

    Trump 'finding it more difficult to deal with Ukraine' - and says he believes Putin

    Ukraine has to "get on the ball and get the job done", Donald Trump says now as he answers questions on the war.

    "They're bombing the hell out of Ukraine... I'm finding it more difficult, frankly, to deal with Ukraine," he adds.

    Russia has "all the cards", he says, and says it "may be easier" to deal with Moscow, despite their position.

    Asked if he believes Vladimir Putin when he says he wants peace, Trump says "yeah... I believe him".

    On the one hand Trump doesn't think the Ukrainians have any agency; on the other it's all their fault.

    I know we'll never get any consistency or logic out of the man but he sure hits you in the stomach.
    Really unfortunate first line there, which I am deliberately immortalising with this quick reply
    Sure. I'll complete my other comment.

    Conservative peer, Lord Hamilton: Jews should pay for their own Holocaust memorial because they have "an awful lot of money"

    Conservative Party spokesman: "Completely unacceptable and flagrantly antisemitic"

    Kemi Badenoch: "Lord Hamilton misspoke and he's apologised and I think that should be the end of the matter."

    I don't think so.

    I was only teasing. It was clear from your mad blockquoting that you didn't mean to say, of your own volition, that mad thing about Jews

    It is a bizarrely clumsy remark from this Tory. That said, I honestly don't see why London needs a Holocaust memorial that takes up precious parkland in the centre of town
    I agree.
    Did the UK actually commit the Holocaust, or even allow its Jews to be rounded up?

    No.

    Why can’t we have a memorial to Chartists.
    Or, better, just nothing.
    The Palace of Westminster is a powerful memorial unto itself, which actually needs several billions of investment.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 58,881

    Leon said:

    I don’t think Jenrick would do well at all.
    For every “very online” loon like Leon he’d attract, he’d turn away many more.

    Jenrick got Labour to crap themselves just yesterday, and reinforced the Two Tier Keir narrative, with one deft bit of politicking (and observant aides, I am guessing). He made Sabana Mahmood scramble, awkwardly

    He is simply better at politics than Kemi B (and I like Kemi, she just hasn't got the chops). Indeed he seems to be the only Tory who is capable of taking it to Labour - can you name any one thing that any of the others have done? They are pitiful

    Someone like Jenrick is what the Tories need now, urgently. A fighter. With a cruel and ruthless streak. They need someone determined, ambitious, and with a striking resemblance to the leader singer of the Killers. That seems to be Jenrick

    If you can name an obviously superior candidate that is right now a Tory MP without making everyone roll on the floor with derisory laughter then go ahead. We can rule out Cleverly for a start, because lol
    I agree he is a very effective tactician.
    I just think he is cryptonite to most of middle England.

    Well maybe, but the TLDR of my commentary on this is that the Tories are not overblessed with alternatives, and Jenrick shows fight, smarts and political cunning. He is also good at social media

    Who else? @HYUFD talks about "Mel Stride". I don't even know what a Mel Stride IS
  • GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 22,109
    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    I don’t think Jenrick would do well at all.
    For every “very online” loon like Leon he’d attract, he’d turn away many more.

    Jenrick got Labour to crap themselves just yesterday, and reinforced the Two Tier Keir narrative, with one deft bit of politicking (and observant aides, I am guessing). He made Sabana Mahmood scramble, awkwardly

    He is simply better at politics than Kemi B (and I like Kemi, she just hasn't got the chops). Indeed he seems to be the only Tory who is capable of taking it to Labour - can you name any one thing that any of the others have done? They are pitiful

    Someone like Jenrick is what the Tories need now, urgently. A fighter. With a cruel and ruthless streak. They need someone determined, ambitious, and with a striking resemblance to the leader singer of the Killers. That seems to be Jenrick

    If you can name an obviously superior candidate that is right now a Tory MP without making everyone roll on the floor with derisory laughter then go ahead. We can rule out Cleverly for a start, because lol
    I agree he is a very effective tactician.
    I just think he is cryptonite to most of middle England.

    Well maybe, but the TLDR of my commentary on this is that the Tories are not overblessed with alternatives, and Jenrick shows fight, smarts and political cunning. He is also good at social media

    Who else? @HYUFD talks about "Mel Stride". I don't even know what a Mel Stride IS
    I belief it’s a form of Australian walk or gait.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 97,999

    Leon said:

    FF43 said:

    Leon said:

    FF43 said:

    Jews should pay for their own Holocaust memorial because they have "an awful lot of money"

    Sky News.

    Trump 'finding it more difficult to deal with Ukraine' - and says he believes Putin

    Ukraine has to "get on the ball and get the job done", Donald Trump says now as he answers questions on the war.

    "They're bombing the hell out of Ukraine... I'm finding it more difficult, frankly, to deal with Ukraine," he adds.

    Russia has "all the cards", he says, and says it "may be easier" to deal with Moscow, despite their position.

    Asked if he believes Vladimir Putin when he says he wants peace, Trump says "yeah... I believe him".

    On the one hand Trump doesn't think the Ukrainians have any agency; on the other it's all their fault.

    I know we'll never get any consistency or logic out of the man but he sure hits you in the stomach.
    Really unfortunate first line there, which I am deliberately immortalising with this quick reply
    Sure. I'll complete my other comment.

    Conservative peer, Lord Hamilton: Jews should pay for their own Holocaust memorial because they have "an awful lot of money"

    Conservative Party spokesman: "Completely unacceptable and flagrantly antisemitic"

    Kemi Badenoch: "Lord Hamilton misspoke and he's apologised and I think that should be the end of the matter."

    I don't think so.

    I was only teasing. It was clear from your mad blockquoting that you didn't mean to say, of your own volition, that mad thing about Jews

    It is a bizarrely clumsy remark from this Tory. That said, I honestly don't see why London needs a Holocaust memorial that takes up precious parkland in the centre of town
    I agree.
    Did the UK actually commit the Holocaust, or even allow its Jews to be rounded up?

    No.

    Why can’t we have a memorial to Chartists.
    Or, better, just nothing.
    The Palace of Westminster is a powerful memorial unto itself.
    A memorial is meant to stand the test of time, the Palace will crumble or burn in the next 10 years whilst the MPs piss about pretending it will magically becoming cheaper to fix if they delay making a decision and decide to stay in the building during building works.
  • OmniumOmnium Posts: 11,313
    IanB2 said:

    Next is the judging for the utility group. Which, despite its name, seems to include a lot of dogs that aren’t very useful.

    What does 'dog for scale' make of your comments I wonder!
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 97,999
    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    I don’t think Jenrick would do well at all.
    For every “very online” loon like Leon he’d attract, he’d turn away many more.

    Jenrick got Labour to crap themselves just yesterday, and reinforced the Two Tier Keir narrative, with one deft bit of politicking (and observant aides, I am guessing). He made Sabana Mahmood scramble, awkwardly

    He is simply better at politics than Kemi B (and I like Kemi, she just hasn't got the chops). Indeed he seems to be the only Tory who is capable of taking it to Labour - can you name any one thing that any of the others have done? They are pitiful

    Someone like Jenrick is what the Tories need now, urgently. A fighter. With a cruel and ruthless streak. They need someone determined, ambitious, and with a striking resemblance to the leader singer of the Killers. That seems to be Jenrick

    If you can name an obviously superior candidate that is right now a Tory MP without making everyone roll on the floor with derisory laughter then go ahead. We can rule out Cleverly for a start, because lol
    I agree he is a very effective tactician.
    I just think he is cryptonite to most of middle England.

    Well maybe, but the TLDR of my commentary on this is that the Tories are not overblessed with alternatives, and Jenrick shows fight, smarts and political cunning. He is also good at social media

    Who else? HYUFD talks about "Mel Stride". I don't even know what a Mel Stride IS
    He has the amazing talent for me to forget his name and appareance 5 minutes after I've seen him.
  • StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 9,321
    TimS said:

    IanB2 said:

    Scott_xP said:

    @peark.es‬

    *TESLA SHARES ERASE ELECTION RALLY, DOWN 48% FROM RECORD HIGH

    Yep, I’m holding a sell position that’s now doing rather nicely. The DJE is down again today, currently, as well.

    Tesla soared after Trump’s win, from a price already inflated on the assumption of continued sales growth. If sales are plummeting around the world, as early data suggests, they’ve got some way to fall yet.
    I’m always too cowardly to make big calls on time. I thought about bunging everything into bonds and money market funds a couple of weeks ago but chickened out. Now it’s too late. My late exits and late re-entries during both the Eurozone crisis and the start of the Ukraine war cost me a lot.
    Trying to market time is the worst.

    I just leave it to Cazenove and don’t think about my portfolio for months at a time. Far more relaxing.

  • LeonLeon Posts: 58,881

    Leon said:

    FF43 said:

    Leon said:

    FF43 said:

    Jews should pay for their own Holocaust memorial because they have "an awful lot of money"

    Sky News.

    Trump 'finding it more difficult to deal with Ukraine' - and says he believes Putin

    Ukraine has to "get on the ball and get the job done", Donald Trump says now as he answers questions on the war.

    "They're bombing the hell out of Ukraine... I'm finding it more difficult, frankly, to deal with Ukraine," he adds.

    Russia has "all the cards", he says, and says it "may be easier" to deal with Moscow, despite their position.

    Asked if he believes Vladimir Putin when he says he wants peace, Trump says "yeah... I believe him".

    On the one hand Trump doesn't think the Ukrainians have any agency; on the other it's all their fault.

    I know we'll never get any consistency or logic out of the man but he sure hits you in the stomach.
    Really unfortunate first line there, which I am deliberately immortalising with this quick reply
    Sure. I'll complete my other comment.

    Conservative peer, Lord Hamilton: Jews should pay for their own Holocaust memorial because they have "an awful lot of money"

    Conservative Party spokesman: "Completely unacceptable and flagrantly antisemitic"

    Kemi Badenoch: "Lord Hamilton misspoke and he's apologised and I think that should be the end of the matter."

    I don't think so.

    I was only teasing. It was clear from your mad blockquoting that you didn't mean to say, of your own volition, that mad thing about Jews

    It is a bizarrely clumsy remark from this Tory. That said, I honestly don't see why London needs a Holocaust memorial that takes up precious parkland in the centre of town
    I agree.
    Did the UK actually commit the Holocaust, or even allow its Jews to be rounded up?

    No.

    Why can’t we have a memorial to Chartists.
    Or, better, just nothing.
    The Palace of Westminster is a powerful memorial unto itself, which actually needs several billions of investment.
    Quite. There comes a point when ANOTHER Holocaust Memorial is a kind of expensive, pointless virtue signalling in black marble. A waste of money and time and a symptom of our footling, declining age. Not least because we ALREADY HAVE a memorial

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hyde_Park_Holocaust_Memorial

    Enough
  • WhisperingOracleWhisperingOracle Posts: 9,855
    biggles said:

    kle4 said:

    biggles said:

    FF43 said:

    Sky News.

    Trump 'finding it more difficult to deal with Ukraine' - and says he believes Putin

    Ukraine has to "get on the ball and get the job done", Donald Trump says now as he answers questions on the war.

    "They're bombing the hell out of Ukraine... I'm finding it more difficult, frankly, to deal with Ukraine," he adds.

    Russia has "all the cards", he says, and says it "may be easier" to deal with Moscow, despite their position.

    Asked if he believes Vladimir Putin when he says he wants peace, Trump says "yeah... I believe him".

    On the one hand Trump doesn't think the Ukrainians have any agency; on the other it's all their fault.

    I know we'll never get any consistency or logic out of the man but he sure hits you in the stomach.
    I have never been more angry at a politician. You can sense it on here and elsewhere can’t you? Trump is a #### for what he does, but also makes us feel ashamed to feel so powerless and unable to tell the US “sod off, we’ll take it from here”.

    I voted for Brexit and don’t regret that vote, but my god I’m in favour of a coordinated rearmament programme and Europe showing Russia up as the tin pot little country it is. Putin needs to be put in his box, and the U.S. left alone on the naughty step.
    He's a constant reminder that arrogant and crude bullies can and do get ahead in life, more often than not. And he's doing it with international consequences. It's like he's designed to make us feel impotent and depressed, unless someone is simultaneously a fan of a particular kind of american economic policy and Putin support (many are one or the other, not both).
    It feels like a turning point, and it is far from certain it will all be ok in the end.
    The striking thing is that Twitter, and Maga, has become home to thousands, if not millions of similar bullied. You can feel the exultation and exhileration.

    Finally, they believe, might is being proved to be right. Cry harder, liberals
    ! Lol !
  • bigglesbiggles Posts: 6,724
    kle4 said:

    Leon said:

    FF43 said:

    Leon said:

    FF43 said:

    Jews should pay for their own Holocaust memorial because they have "an awful lot of money"

    Sky News.

    Trump 'finding it more difficult to deal with Ukraine' - and says he believes Putin

    Ukraine has to "get on the ball and get the job done", Donald Trump says now as he answers questions on the war.

    "They're bombing the hell out of Ukraine... I'm finding it more difficult, frankly, to deal with Ukraine," he adds.

    Russia has "all the cards", he says, and says it "may be easier" to deal with Moscow, despite their position.

    Asked if he believes Vladimir Putin when he says he wants peace, Trump says "yeah... I believe him".

    On the one hand Trump doesn't think the Ukrainians have any agency; on the other it's all their fault.

    I know we'll never get any consistency or logic out of the man but he sure hits you in the stomach.
    Really unfortunate first line there, which I am deliberately immortalising with this quick reply
    Sure. I'll complete my other comment.

    Conservative peer, Lord Hamilton: Jews should pay for their own Holocaust memorial because they have "an awful lot of money"

    Conservative Party spokesman: "Completely unacceptable and flagrantly antisemitic"

    Kemi Badenoch: "Lord Hamilton misspoke and he's apologised and I think that should be the end of the matter."

    I don't think so.

    I was only teasing. It was clear from your mad blockquoting that you didn't mean to say, of your own volition, that mad thing about Jews

    It is a bizarrely clumsy remark from this Tory. That said, I honestly don't see why London needs a Holocaust memorial that takes up precious parkland in the centre of town
    I agree.
    Did the UK actually commit the Holocaust, or even allow its Jews to be rounded up?

    No.

    Why can’t we have a memorial to Chartists.
    Or, better, just nothing.
    The Palace of Westminster is a powerful memorial unto itself.
    A memorial is meant to stand the test of time, the Palace will crumble or burn in the next 10 years whilst the MPs piss about pretending it will magically becoming cheaper to fix if they delay making a decision and decide to stay in the building during building works.
    Something that was great in the 19th century and a symbol of resistance in the Second World War, but which has crumbled and decayed since and is now a shadow of its former self? A hollow shell that needs serious investment and reinvention to succeed in the new century, including to defend it from outside attack?

    I wonder if there’s a metaphor in there?
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 30,501
    edited March 7
    ...
    Scott_xP said:

    @davidallengreen.bsky.social‬

    The Reform Party described the arrival of their five MPs as being like Reservoir Dogs and we scoffed and said they had only seen the opening scenes, but they were actually right about how it would play out.

    So we are at the "Stuck in the middle with you" scene where Michael Madsen is left alone with the cop in the warehouse.

    I'm assuming Farage is the cop.
  • bigglesbiggles Posts: 6,724

    biggles said:

    kle4 said:

    biggles said:

    FF43 said:

    Sky News.

    Trump 'finding it more difficult to deal with Ukraine' - and says he believes Putin

    Ukraine has to "get on the ball and get the job done", Donald Trump says now as he answers questions on the war.

    "They're bombing the hell out of Ukraine... I'm finding it more difficult, frankly, to deal with Ukraine," he adds.

    Russia has "all the cards", he says, and says it "may be easier" to deal with Moscow, despite their position.

    Asked if he believes Vladimir Putin when he says he wants peace, Trump says "yeah... I believe him".

    On the one hand Trump doesn't think the Ukrainians have any agency; on the other it's all their fault.

    I know we'll never get any consistency or logic out of the man but he sure hits you in the stomach.
    I have never been more angry at a politician. You can sense it on here and elsewhere can’t you? Trump is a #### for what he does, but also makes us feel ashamed to feel so powerless and unable to tell the US “sod off, we’ll take it from here”.

    I voted for Brexit and don’t regret that vote, but my god I’m in favour of a coordinated rearmament programme and Europe showing Russia up as the tin pot little country it is. Putin needs to be put in his box, and the U.S. left alone on the naughty step.
    He's a constant reminder that arrogant and crude bullies can and do get ahead in life, more often than not. And he's doing it with international consequences. It's like he's designed to make us feel impotent and depressed, unless someone is simultaneously a fan of a particular kind of american economic policy and Putin support (many are one or the other, not both).
    It feels like a turning point, and it is far from certain it will all be ok in the end.
    The striking thing is that Twitter, and Maga, has become home to thousands, if not millions of similar bullied. You can feel the exultation and exhileration.

    Finally, they believe, might is being proved to be right. Cry harder, liberals
    ! Lol !
    The lights are going out all over the world.
  • WhisperingOracleWhisperingOracle Posts: 9,855
    Before autocorrect that said bullies, but many bullies were ofcourse bullied themselves, too. There's a great cry of narcissistic rage about.
  • StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 9,321

    Sky News.

    Trump 'finding it more difficult to deal with Ukraine' - and says he believes Putin

    Ukraine has to "get on the ball and get the job done", Donald Trump says now as he answers questions on the war.

    "They're bombing the hell out of Ukraine... I'm finding it more difficult, frankly, to deal with Ukraine," he adds.

    Russia has "all the cards", he says, and says it "may be easier" to deal with Moscow, despite their position.

    Asked if he believes Vladimir Putin when he says he wants peace, Trump says "yeah... I believe him".

    Presumably Putin is quoting Tacitus and Trump isn’t smart enough to realise?
  • BattlebusBattlebus Posts: 541

    https://x.com/rupertlowe10/status/1898072686279930199

    I asked reasonable and constructive questions of Nigel Farage and Reform's leadership, following months of pushing for progress behind closed doors.

    The day after, I find a knife in my back over false allegations. Whip suspended.

    That tells you everything you need to know.

    Wonder if the Truss pic was the trigger. ... "come and join Reform and we can get rid of that weirdo."
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 44,291
    edited March 7
    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    FF43 said:

    Leon said:

    FF43 said:

    Jews should pay for their own Holocaust memorial because they have "an awful lot of money"

    Sky News.

    Trump 'finding it more difficult to deal with Ukraine' - and says he believes Putin

    Ukraine has to "get on the ball and get the job done", Donald Trump says now as he answers questions on the war.

    "They're bombing the hell out of Ukraine... I'm finding it more difficult, frankly, to deal with Ukraine," he adds.

    Russia has "all the cards", he says, and says it "may be easier" to deal with Moscow, despite their position.

    Asked if he believes Vladimir Putin when he says he wants peace, Trump says "yeah... I believe him".

    On the one hand Trump doesn't think the Ukrainians have any agency; on the other it's all their fault.

    I know we'll never get any consistency or logic out of the man but he sure hits you in the stomach.
    Really unfortunate first line there, which I am deliberately immortalising with this quick reply
    Sure. I'll complete my other comment.

    Conservative peer, Lord Hamilton: Jews should pay for their own Holocaust memorial because they have "an awful lot of money"

    Conservative Party spokesman: "Completely unacceptable and flagrantly antisemitic"

    Kemi Badenoch: "Lord Hamilton misspoke and he's apologised and I think that should be the end of the matter."

    I don't think so.

    I was only teasing. It was clear from your mad blockquoting that you didn't mean to say, of your own volition, that mad thing about Jews

    It is a bizarrely clumsy remark from this Tory. That said, I honestly don't see why London needs a Holocaust memorial that takes up precious parkland in the centre of town
    I agree.
    Did the UK actually commit the Holocaust, or even allow its Jews to be rounded up?

    No.

    Why can’t we have a memorial to Chartists.
    Or, better, just nothing.
    The Palace of Westminster is a powerful memorial unto itself, which actually needs several billions of investment.
    Quite. There comes a point when ANOTHER Holocaust Memorial is a kind of expensive, pointless virtue signalling in black marble. A waste of money and time and a symptom of our footling, declining age. Not least because we ALREADY HAVE a memorial

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hyde_Park_Holocaust_Memorial

    Enough
    Can you please stop finishing posts with "Enough". Makes you sound like Richard Littlejohn.
  • OmniumOmnium Posts: 11,313
    Battlebus said:

    https://x.com/rupertlowe10/status/1898072686279930199

    I asked reasonable and constructive questions of Nigel Farage and Reform's leadership, following months of pushing for progress behind closed doors.

    The day after, I find a knife in my back over false allegations. Whip suspended.

    That tells you everything you need to know.

    Wonder if the Truss pic was the trigger. ... "come and join Reform and we can get rid of that weirdo."
    I'm reminded of early Star Trek episodes,
  • LeonLeon Posts: 58,881
    kle4 said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    I don’t think Jenrick would do well at all.
    For every “very online” loon like Leon he’d attract, he’d turn away many more.

    Jenrick got Labour to crap themselves just yesterday, and reinforced the Two Tier Keir narrative, with one deft bit of politicking (and observant aides, I am guessing). He made Sabana Mahmood scramble, awkwardly

    He is simply better at politics than Kemi B (and I like Kemi, she just hasn't got the chops). Indeed he seems to be the only Tory who is capable of taking it to Labour - can you name any one thing that any of the others have done? They are pitiful

    Someone like Jenrick is what the Tories need now, urgently. A fighter. With a cruel and ruthless streak. They need someone determined, ambitious, and with a striking resemblance to the leader singer of the Killers. That seems to be Jenrick

    If you can name an obviously superior candidate that is right now a Tory MP without making everyone roll on the floor with derisory laughter then go ahead. We can rule out Cleverly for a start, because lol
    I agree he is a very effective tactician.
    I just think he is cryptonite to most of middle England.

    Well maybe, but the TLDR of my commentary on this is that the Tories are not overblessed with alternatives, and Jenrick shows fight, smarts and political cunning. He is also good at social media

    Who else? HYUFD talks about "Mel Stride". I don't even know what a Mel Stride IS
    He has the amazing talent for me to forget his name and appareance 5 minutes after I've seen him.
    lol yes exactly

    In fact you can say this, unfortunately, about the entire Tory front bench. They are instantly forgettable in the most ephemeral way. I'm not even sure who the Shadow Cancellor is. Or Shadow Foreign Sec. Do they exist? Is one of them a Mel Stride? I understand that if you are reduced to a rump of a party by a calamitous election your talent pool will be quite shallow, but nonetheless they have done an amazing job of sourcing nothing but tadpoles

    The one single Tory who makes me sit up and listen - because he actually says sharp clever combative things, sometimes - is Jenrick

    As we saw yesterday
  • LeonLeon Posts: 58,881
    kle4 said:

    Leon said:

    FF43 said:

    Leon said:

    FF43 said:

    Jews should pay for their own Holocaust memorial because they have "an awful lot of money"

    Sky News.

    Trump 'finding it more difficult to deal with Ukraine' - and says he believes Putin

    Ukraine has to "get on the ball and get the job done", Donald Trump says now as he answers questions on the war.

    "They're bombing the hell out of Ukraine... I'm finding it more difficult, frankly, to deal with Ukraine," he adds.

    Russia has "all the cards", he says, and says it "may be easier" to deal with Moscow, despite their position.

    Asked if he believes Vladimir Putin when he says he wants peace, Trump says "yeah... I believe him".

    On the one hand Trump doesn't think the Ukrainians have any agency; on the other it's all their fault.

    I know we'll never get any consistency or logic out of the man but he sure hits you in the stomach.
    Really unfortunate first line there, which I am deliberately immortalising with this quick reply
    Sure. I'll complete my other comment.

    Conservative peer, Lord Hamilton: Jews should pay for their own Holocaust memorial because they have "an awful lot of money"

    Conservative Party spokesman: "Completely unacceptable and flagrantly antisemitic"

    Kemi Badenoch: "Lord Hamilton misspoke and he's apologised and I think that should be the end of the matter."

    I don't think so.

    I was only teasing. It was clear from your mad blockquoting that you didn't mean to say, of your own volition, that mad thing about Jews

    It is a bizarrely clumsy remark from this Tory. That said, I honestly don't see why London needs a Holocaust memorial that takes up precious parkland in the centre of town
    I agree.
    Did the UK actually commit the Holocaust, or even allow its Jews to be rounded up?

    No.

    Why can’t we have a memorial to Chartists.
    Or, better, just nothing.
    The Palace of Westminster is a powerful memorial unto itself.
    A memorial is meant to stand the test of time, the Palace will crumble or burn in the next 10 years whilst the MPs piss about pretending it will magically becoming cheaper to fix if they delay making a decision and decide to stay in the building during building works.
    I have a horrible sinking feeling in the not too distant future the Houses of Parliament will burn like Notre Dame, only the damage will be so great it cannot be restored. Taking with it Westminster Hall, one of the most remarkable buildings on earth, inside one of the most remarkable buildings on earth

    It will be a tragedy for the nation and for humanity, and all of it avoidable, except that we are governed by imbeciles
  • WhisperingOracleWhisperingOracle Posts: 9,855
    biggles said:

    biggles said:

    kle4 said:

    biggles said:

    FF43 said:

    Sky News.

    Trump 'finding it more difficult to deal with Ukraine' - and says he believes Putin

    Ukraine has to "get on the ball and get the job done", Donald Trump says now as he answers questions on the war.

    "They're bombing the hell out of Ukraine... I'm finding it more difficult, frankly, to deal with Ukraine," he adds.

    Russia has "all the cards", he says, and says it "may be easier" to deal with Moscow, despite their position.

    Asked if he believes Vladimir Putin when he says he wants peace, Trump says "yeah... I believe him".

    On the one hand Trump doesn't think the Ukrainians have any agency; on the other it's all their fault.

    I know we'll never get any consistency or logic out of the man but he sure hits you in the stomach.
    I have never been more angry at a politician. You can sense it on here and elsewhere can’t you? Trump is a #### for what he does, but also makes us feel ashamed to feel so powerless and unable to tell the US “sod off, we’ll take it from here”.

    I voted for Brexit and don’t regret that vote, but my god I’m in favour of a coordinated rearmament programme and Europe showing Russia up as the tin pot little country it is. Putin needs to be put in his box, and the U.S. left alone on the naughty step.
    He's a constant reminder that arrogant and crude bullies can and do get ahead in life, more often than not. And he's doing it with international consequences. It's like he's designed to make us feel impotent and depressed, unless someone is simultaneously a fan of a particular kind of american economic policy and Putin support (many are one or the other, not both).
    It feels like a turning point, and it is far from certain it will all be ok in the end.
    The striking thing is that Twitter, and Maga, has become home to thousands, if not millions of similar bullied. You can feel the exultation and exhileration.

    Finally, they believe, might is being proved to be right. Cry harder, liberals
    ! Lol !
    The lights are going out all over the world.
    Let's hope not, but I agree it's not looking great.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 79,000
    Fuck, another 5 years of Starmer isn't it ><
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 54,123
    https://x.com/clarescastle/status/1898074872309485982

    I’ve known @RupertLowe10 for 45+ years. Worked for him years ago, the only girl in the office. He’s old school, the consummate gentleman. Courteous, clever, driven, humorous, humane. A patriot and idealist. A family man with a happy, close family. He’s found his vocation as an MP. Great Yarmouth’s lucky to have him. I don’t believe the vicious manufactured nonsense from Reform for a split second.
  • MoonRabbitMoonRabbit Posts: 13,967
    Leon said:

    If Reform implodes this is a ramrkable opportunity for the Tories, but they need Jenrick in charge not Kemi. Jenrick is the one with the rightwing nous to attract Reform voters and win a GE

    Actually I’m beginning to see Kemi as a political pragmatist in the making - after a quick succession of Conservative leaders who were out of touch, opportunistic bullshitters, as Jenrick clearly would be in spades.

    Kemi has already started distancing Conservatives from Boris Johnson’s hard Brexit, speaking out on decision to pursue Brexit without plan for economic growth outside EU. This is very important because there is no chance of a majority without bringing back the lost voters angry at Brexit mistakes.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c17edyz11nno

    I can see Kemi evolving a more realistic line on things like the Triple Lock, Rwanda Scheme, Chagos Deal, the Channel Crossings “invasion” too, in the coming months and years, rather than overdoing the “populist style” all out opposition to every government position.

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2025/jan/17/kemi-badenoch-pensions-triple-lock-means-test-alarm-tories

    This is important because just echoing overly simplistic and dishonest populist positions, merely sells the “real thing” not how you differ yourself. The Conservatives greatest advantage over Reform is they can at least go into next general election with sane, pragmatic policies and credible manifesto for government - the best Reform can do is continue as the non of the above protest vote (in era of income and public services erosion) with no sensible workable policies, they currently don’t have any.

    Kemi’s PMQ difficulties stemmed from rushing in on poorly researched gimmicks, pushed by the Daily Mail and Telegraph in hours before PMQ. Jenrick will certainly be even quicker and dafter at doing that, like he (and the Daily Mails) proved this week, trying to tie long in the making (under the Tories) sentencing guidelines to the Musk flavoured two tier Starmer gimmick line.

    I’m now confident the Conservatives will get less GE votes under Jenrick than Kemi, not least as doing away with yet another leader for yet another change, is sure to hit credibility. Jenrick lost, has no choice but to sit tight for years sucking it up.

    Saviour over the see he isn’t. That’s Claire Coutinho.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 58,881
    kinabalu said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    FF43 said:

    Leon said:

    FF43 said:

    Jews should pay for their own Holocaust memorial because they have "an awful lot of money"

    Sky News.

    Trump 'finding it more difficult to deal with Ukraine' - and says he believes Putin

    Ukraine has to "get on the ball and get the job done", Donald Trump says now as he answers questions on the war.

    "They're bombing the hell out of Ukraine... I'm finding it more difficult, frankly, to deal with Ukraine," he adds.

    Russia has "all the cards", he says, and says it "may be easier" to deal with Moscow, despite their position.

    Asked if he believes Vladimir Putin when he says he wants peace, Trump says "yeah... I believe him".

    On the one hand Trump doesn't think the Ukrainians have any agency; on the other it's all their fault.

    I know we'll never get any consistency or logic out of the man but he sure hits you in the stomach.
    Really unfortunate first line there, which I am deliberately immortalising with this quick reply
    Sure. I'll complete my other comment.

    Conservative peer, Lord Hamilton: Jews should pay for their own Holocaust memorial because they have "an awful lot of money"

    Conservative Party spokesman: "Completely unacceptable and flagrantly antisemitic"

    Kemi Badenoch: "Lord Hamilton misspoke and he's apologised and I think that should be the end of the matter."

    I don't think so.

    I was only teasing. It was clear from your mad blockquoting that you didn't mean to say, of your own volition, that mad thing about Jews

    It is a bizarrely clumsy remark from this Tory. That said, I honestly don't see why London needs a Holocaust memorial that takes up precious parkland in the centre of town
    I agree.
    Did the UK actually commit the Holocaust, or even allow its Jews to be rounded up?

    No.

    Why can’t we have a memorial to Chartists.
    Or, better, just nothing.
    The Palace of Westminster is a powerful memorial unto itself, which actually needs several billions of investment.
    Quite. There comes a point when ANOTHER Holocaust Memorial is a kind of expensive, pointless virtue signalling in black marble. A waste of money and time and a symptom of our footling, declining age. Not least because we ALREADY HAVE a memorial

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hyde_Park_Holocaust_Memorial

    Enough
    Can you please stop finishing posts with "Enough". Makes you sound like Richard Littlejohn.
    No, but I will give you a cool picture quiz


    Where is this? And why is it so remarkable?

    Nicht der googlissimi

    I promise this is a good one


  • TimSTimS Posts: 14,421

    Jenrick, I find to be somewhat disconcerting.
    Look at his facial expressions when he's not talking.

    Is he human? Or is he dancer?

    One thing he is not, is avuncular. Only one contender for that title, in either Tories or Labour, and that’s Cleverly. Is Kemi avuncular, nope. Keir? Hardly. Davey? Not quite, though I could imagine him as an uncle. Farage? Almost, but too fash. The last major party leader to be remotely avuncular was Alex Salmond.

    If I were a 10 year old boy I could think of no politician better to take me go-karting than the
    avuncular Cleverley.
  • StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 9,321
    IanB2 said:

    Leon said:

    Rupert Lowe has whip withdrawn

    Reform now 4 mps

    Farage has bitten off more than he can chew this time. Reform supporters will turn against him, Tice and Yusuf.
    But if Reform lose Nigel then Reform are finished. They are not ready for the big time without Nige
    They never were, and never will be.
    It’s a one-man band.

    Only real idiots profess to support them.
    If their support halves every couple of months, how long before they are gone?

    One for Leon to try and puzzle out.
    In theory never…
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 53,157
    Leon said:

    kinabalu said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    FF43 said:

    Leon said:

    FF43 said:

    Jews should pay for their own Holocaust memorial because they have "an awful lot of money"

    Sky News.

    Trump 'finding it more difficult to deal with Ukraine' - and says he believes Putin

    Ukraine has to "get on the ball and get the job done", Donald Trump says now as he answers questions on the war.

    "They're bombing the hell out of Ukraine... I'm finding it more difficult, frankly, to deal with Ukraine," he adds.

    Russia has "all the cards", he says, and says it "may be easier" to deal with Moscow, despite their position.

    Asked if he believes Vladimir Putin when he says he wants peace, Trump says "yeah... I believe him".

    On the one hand Trump doesn't think the Ukrainians have any agency; on the other it's all their fault.

    I know we'll never get any consistency or logic out of the man but he sure hits you in the stomach.
    Really unfortunate first line there, which I am deliberately immortalising with this quick reply
    Sure. I'll complete my other comment.

    Conservative peer, Lord Hamilton: Jews should pay for their own Holocaust memorial because they have "an awful lot of money"

    Conservative Party spokesman: "Completely unacceptable and flagrantly antisemitic"

    Kemi Badenoch: "Lord Hamilton misspoke and he's apologised and I think that should be the end of the matter."

    I don't think so.

    I was only teasing. It was clear from your mad blockquoting that you didn't mean to say, of your own volition, that mad thing about Jews

    It is a bizarrely clumsy remark from this Tory. That said, I honestly don't see why London needs a Holocaust memorial that takes up precious parkland in the centre of town
    I agree.
    Did the UK actually commit the Holocaust, or even allow its Jews to be rounded up?

    No.

    Why can’t we have a memorial to Chartists.
    Or, better, just nothing.
    The Palace of Westminster is a powerful memorial unto itself, which actually needs several billions of investment.
    Quite. There comes a point when ANOTHER Holocaust Memorial is a kind of expensive, pointless virtue signalling in black marble. A waste of money and time and a symptom of our footling, declining age. Not least because we ALREADY HAVE a memorial

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hyde_Park_Holocaust_Memorial

    Enough
    Can you please stop finishing posts with "Enough". Makes you sound like Richard Littlejohn.
    No, but I will give you a cool picture quiz


    Where is this? And why is it so remarkable?

    Nicht der googlissimi

    I promise this is a good one


    Atacama?
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 54,123
    TimS said:

    If I were a 10 year old boy I could think of no politician better to take me go-karting than the avuncular Cleverley.

    Baron Drayson of Drayson Racing Technology would be my pick.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Drayson,_Baron_Drayson
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 97,999
    Living up to the potential was always going to be a challenge. Despite what was being claimed at the time, I think most commentators acknowledged the new rulers would probably not be all sweetness and light.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 30,501
    Leon said:

    kinabalu said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    FF43 said:

    Leon said:

    FF43 said:

    Jews should pay for their own Holocaust memorial because they have "an awful lot of money"

    Sky News.

    Trump 'finding it more difficult to deal with Ukraine' - and says he believes Putin

    Ukraine has to "get on the ball and get the job done", Donald Trump says now as he answers questions on the war.

    "They're bombing the hell out of Ukraine... I'm finding it more difficult, frankly, to deal with Ukraine," he adds.

    Russia has "all the cards", he says, and says it "may be easier" to deal with Moscow, despite their position.

    Asked if he believes Vladimir Putin when he says he wants peace, Trump says "yeah... I believe him".

    On the one hand Trump doesn't think the Ukrainians have any agency; on the other it's all their fault.

    I know we'll never get any consistency or logic out of the man but he sure hits you in the stomach.
    Really unfortunate first line there, which I am deliberately immortalising with this quick reply
    Sure. I'll complete my other comment.

    Conservative peer, Lord Hamilton: Jews should pay for their own Holocaust memorial because they have "an awful lot of money"

    Conservative Party spokesman: "Completely unacceptable and flagrantly antisemitic"

    Kemi Badenoch: "Lord Hamilton misspoke and he's apologised and I think that should be the end of the matter."

    I don't think so.

    I was only teasing. It was clear from your mad blockquoting that you didn't mean to say, of your own volition, that mad thing about Jews

    It is a bizarrely clumsy remark from this Tory. That said, I honestly don't see why London needs a Holocaust memorial that takes up precious parkland in the centre of town
    I agree.
    Did the UK actually commit the Holocaust, or even allow its Jews to be rounded up?

    No.

    Why can’t we have a memorial to Chartists.
    Or, better, just nothing.
    The Palace of Westminster is a powerful memorial unto itself, which actually needs several billions of investment.
    Quite. There comes a point when ANOTHER Holocaust Memorial is a kind of expensive, pointless virtue signalling in black marble. A waste of money and time and a symptom of our footling, declining age. Not least because we ALREADY HAVE a memorial

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hyde_Park_Holocaust_Memorial

    Enough
    Can you please stop finishing posts with "Enough". Makes you sound like Richard Littlejohn.
    No, but I will give you a cool picture quiz


    Where is this? And why is it so remarkable?

    Nicht der googlissimi

    I promise this is a good one


    Primrose Hill?
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 50,822
    edited March 7

    Leon said:

    kinabalu said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    FF43 said:

    Leon said:

    FF43 said:

    Jews should pay for their own Holocaust memorial because they have "an awful lot of money"

    Sky News.

    Trump 'finding it more difficult to deal with Ukraine' - and says he believes Putin

    Ukraine has to "get on the ball and get the job done", Donald Trump says now as he answers questions on the war.

    "They're bombing the hell out of Ukraine... I'm finding it more difficult, frankly, to deal with Ukraine," he adds.

    Russia has "all the cards", he says, and says it "may be easier" to deal with Moscow, despite their position.

    Asked if he believes Vladimir Putin when he says he wants peace, Trump says "yeah... I believe him".

    On the one hand Trump doesn't think the Ukrainians have any agency; on the other it's all their fault.

    I know we'll never get any consistency or logic out of the man but he sure hits you in the stomach.
    Really unfortunate first line there, which I am deliberately immortalising with this quick reply
    Sure. I'll complete my other comment.

    Conservative peer, Lord Hamilton: Jews should pay for their own Holocaust memorial because they have "an awful lot of money"

    Conservative Party spokesman: "Completely unacceptable and flagrantly antisemitic"

    Kemi Badenoch: "Lord Hamilton misspoke and he's apologised and I think that should be the end of the matter."

    I don't think so.

    I was only teasing. It was clear from your mad blockquoting that you didn't mean to say, of your own volition, that mad thing about Jews

    It is a bizarrely clumsy remark from this Tory. That said, I honestly don't see why London needs a Holocaust memorial that takes up precious parkland in the centre of town
    I agree.
    Did the UK actually commit the Holocaust, or even allow its Jews to be rounded up?

    No.

    Why can’t we have a memorial to Chartists.
    Or, better, just nothing.
    The Palace of Westminster is a powerful memorial unto itself, which actually needs several billions of investment.
    Quite. There comes a point when ANOTHER Holocaust Memorial is a kind of expensive, pointless virtue signalling in black marble. A waste of money and time and a symptom of our footling, declining age. Not least because we ALREADY HAVE a memorial

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hyde_Park_Holocaust_Memorial

    Enough
    Can you please stop finishing posts with "Enough". Makes you sound like Richard Littlejohn.
    No, but I will give you a cool picture quiz


    Where is this? And why is it so remarkable?

    Nicht der googlissimi

    I promise this is a good one


    Atacama?
    My guess too would be South America, somewhere in the bottom half?
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 50,822

    IanB2 said:

    Leon said:

    Rupert Lowe has whip withdrawn

    Reform now 4 mps

    Farage has bitten off more than he can chew this time. Reform supporters will turn against him, Tice and Yusuf.
    But if Reform lose Nigel then Reform are finished. They are not ready for the big time without Nige
    They never were, and never will be.
    It’s a one-man band.

    Only real idiots profess to support them.
    If their support halves every couple of months, how long before they are gone?

    One for Leon to try and puzzle out.
    In theory never…
    Obvs, but then as an artist you don’t need to waste your time with a colouring book. It was for Leon.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 58,881

    Leon said:

    kinabalu said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    FF43 said:

    Leon said:

    FF43 said:

    Jews should pay for their own Holocaust memorial because they have "an awful lot of money"

    Sky News.

    Trump 'finding it more difficult to deal with Ukraine' - and says he believes Putin

    Ukraine has to "get on the ball and get the job done", Donald Trump says now as he answers questions on the war.

    "They're bombing the hell out of Ukraine... I'm finding it more difficult, frankly, to deal with Ukraine," he adds.

    Russia has "all the cards", he says, and says it "may be easier" to deal with Moscow, despite their position.

    Asked if he believes Vladimir Putin when he says he wants peace, Trump says "yeah... I believe him".

    On the one hand Trump doesn't think the Ukrainians have any agency; on the other it's all their fault.

    I know we'll never get any consistency or logic out of the man but he sure hits you in the stomach.
    Really unfortunate first line there, which I am deliberately immortalising with this quick reply
    Sure. I'll complete my other comment.

    Conservative peer, Lord Hamilton: Jews should pay for their own Holocaust memorial because they have "an awful lot of money"

    Conservative Party spokesman: "Completely unacceptable and flagrantly antisemitic"

    Kemi Badenoch: "Lord Hamilton misspoke and he's apologised and I think that should be the end of the matter."

    I don't think so.

    I was only teasing. It was clear from your mad blockquoting that you didn't mean to say, of your own volition, that mad thing about Jews

    It is a bizarrely clumsy remark from this Tory. That said, I honestly don't see why London needs a Holocaust memorial that takes up precious parkland in the centre of town
    I agree.
    Did the UK actually commit the Holocaust, or even allow its Jews to be rounded up?

    No.

    Why can’t we have a memorial to Chartists.
    Or, better, just nothing.
    The Palace of Westminster is a powerful memorial unto itself, which actually needs several billions of investment.
    Quite. There comes a point when ANOTHER Holocaust Memorial is a kind of expensive, pointless virtue signalling in black marble. A waste of money and time and a symptom of our footling, declining age. Not least because we ALREADY HAVE a memorial

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hyde_Park_Holocaust_Memorial

    Enough
    Can you please stop finishing posts with "Enough". Makes you sound like Richard Littlejohn.
    No, but I will give you a cool picture quiz


    Where is this? And why is it so remarkable?

    Nicht der googlissimi

    I promise this is a good one


    Atacama?
    Wow! Very good (I trust you didn't google! - how did you guess??)

    But it is somewhere particular IN the Atacama, and it is notable for several things
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 75,164
    .
    IanB2 said:

    Leon said:

    kle4 said:

    Leon said:

    Reform are Russia-loving retards.

    Hopefully the erstwhile Reform supporters on here are suitably shamefaced.

    lol. I support Reform. Trust me I’m not feeling an iota of shame. Would you honestly expect me to?

    You did criticise Farage's Putin stance during the 2024 GE.
    Yes, that's why I didn't vote for them. His statement on Putin was UGH

    However Farage has been better on Ukraine/Trump since...

    But he is a problem for Reform as much as he is an asset. Indeed the problem is, in part, that he IS such an asset. He overshadows everyone else, and he has political skills none of the others possess. He IS Reform to most voters

    That's fine if you are essentially a one issue pressure group like UKIP: they were remarkably succcessful at achieving their one objective. Brexit. They did it

    But Farage is trying to grow a real political party here, that can credibly compete for the next GE, the trouble is to do this, Reform itself must outgrow Farage
    On the island they’re trying to find candidates for the local elections, now postponed to next year. But only a handful of their aged and eccentric membership want to stand, and many of those want to be promised they won’t win - because they don’t actually want to do the work
    They want to jump from unserious rabble to semi-authoritarian rule without the hard bits in between.

    I think the UK public aren't sufficiently foolish, in sufficiently large numbers, to fall for ut.
  • MoonRabbitMoonRabbit Posts: 13,967
    Leon said:

    kinabalu said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    FF43 said:

    Leon said:

    FF43 said:

    Jews should pay for their own Holocaust memorial because they have "an awful lot of money"

    Sky News.

    Trump 'finding it more difficult to deal with Ukraine' - and says he believes Putin

    Ukraine has to "get on the ball and get the job done", Donald Trump says now as he answers questions on the war.

    "They're bombing the hell out of Ukraine... I'm finding it more difficult, frankly, to deal with Ukraine," he adds.

    Russia has "all the cards", he says, and says it "may be easier" to deal with Moscow, despite their position.

    Asked if he believes Vladimir Putin when he says he wants peace, Trump says "yeah... I believe him".

    On the one hand Trump doesn't think the Ukrainians have any agency; on the other it's all their fault.

    I know we'll never get any consistency or logic out of the man but he sure hits you in the stomach.
    Really unfortunate first line there, which I am deliberately immortalising with this quick reply
    Sure. I'll complete my other comment.

    Conservative peer, Lord Hamilton: Jews should pay for their own Holocaust memorial because they have "an awful lot of money"

    Conservative Party spokesman: "Completely unacceptable and flagrantly antisemitic"

    Kemi Badenoch: "Lord Hamilton misspoke and he's apologised and I think that should be the end of the matter."

    I don't think so.

    I was only teasing. It was clear from your mad blockquoting that you didn't mean to say, of your own volition, that mad thing about Jews

    It is a bizarrely clumsy remark from this Tory. That said, I honestly don't see why London needs a Holocaust memorial that takes up precious parkland in the centre of town
    I agree.
    Did the UK actually commit the Holocaust, or even allow its Jews to be rounded up?

    No.

    Why can’t we have a memorial to Chartists.
    Or, better, just nothing.
    The Palace of Westminster is a powerful memorial unto itself, which actually needs several billions of investment.
    Quite. There comes a point when ANOTHER Holocaust Memorial is a kind of expensive, pointless virtue signalling in black marble. A waste of money and time and a symptom of our footling, declining age. Not least because we ALREADY HAVE a memorial

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hyde_Park_Holocaust_Memorial

    Enough
    Can you please stop finishing posts with "Enough". Makes you sound like Richard Littlejohn.
    No, but I will give you a cool picture quiz


    Where is this? And why is it so remarkable?

    Nicht der googlissimi

    I promise this is a good one


    Your so sad picture made me think of Miner At The Dial-A-View.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7_2j-wYLXAA
  • nico67nico67 Posts: 4,818
    Leon said:

    kinabalu said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    FF43 said:

    Leon said:

    FF43 said:

    Jews should pay for their own Holocaust memorial because they have "an awful lot of money"

    Sky News.

    Trump 'finding it more difficult to deal with Ukraine' - and says he believes Putin

    Ukraine has to "get on the ball and get the job done", Donald Trump says now as he answers questions on the war.

    "They're bombing the hell out of Ukraine... I'm finding it more difficult, frankly, to deal with Ukraine," he adds.

    Russia has "all the cards", he says, and says it "may be easier" to deal with Moscow, despite their position.

    Asked if he believes Vladimir Putin when he says he wants peace, Trump says "yeah... I believe him".

    On the one hand Trump doesn't think the Ukrainians have any agency; on the other it's all their fault.

    I know we'll never get any consistency or logic out of the man but he sure hits you in the stomach.
    Really unfortunate first line there, which I am deliberately immortalising with this quick reply
    Sure. I'll complete my other comment.

    Conservative peer, Lord Hamilton: Jews should pay for their own Holocaust memorial because they have "an awful lot of money"

    Conservative Party spokesman: "Completely unacceptable and flagrantly antisemitic"

    Kemi Badenoch: "Lord Hamilton misspoke and he's apologised and I think that should be the end of the matter."

    I don't think so.

    I was only teasing. It was clear from your mad blockquoting that you didn't mean to say, of your own volition, that mad thing about Jews

    It is a bizarrely clumsy remark from this Tory. That said, I honestly don't see why London needs a Holocaust memorial that takes up precious parkland in the centre of town
    I agree.
    Did the UK actually commit the Holocaust, or even allow its Jews to be rounded up?

    No.

    Why can’t we have a memorial to Chartists.
    Or, better, just nothing.
    The Palace of Westminster is a powerful memorial unto itself, which actually needs several billions of investment.
    Quite. There comes a point when ANOTHER Holocaust Memorial is a kind of expensive, pointless virtue signalling in black marble. A waste of money and time and a symptom of our footling, declining age. Not least because we ALREADY HAVE a memorial

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hyde_Park_Holocaust_Memorial

    Enough
    Can you please stop finishing posts with "Enough". Makes you sound like Richard Littlejohn.
    No, but I will give you a cool picture quiz


    Where is this? And why is it so remarkable?

    Nicht der googlissimi

    I promise this is a good one


    Baja , Mexico .
  • Daveyboy1961Daveyboy1961 Posts: 4,304
    kinabalu said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    FF43 said:

    Leon said:

    FF43 said:

    Jews should pay for their own Holocaust memorial because they have "an awful lot of money"

    Sky News.

    Trump 'finding it more difficult to deal with Ukraine' - and says he believes Putin

    Ukraine has to "get on the ball and get the job done", Donald Trump says now as he answers questions on the war.

    "They're bombing the hell out of Ukraine... I'm finding it more difficult, frankly, to deal with Ukraine," he adds.

    Russia has "all the cards", he says, and says it "may be easier" to deal with Moscow, despite their position.

    Asked if he believes Vladimir Putin when he says he wants peace, Trump says "yeah... I believe him".

    On the one hand Trump doesn't think the Ukrainians have any agency; on the other it's all their fault.

    I know we'll never get any consistency or logic out of the man but he sure hits you in the stomach.
    Really unfortunate first line there, which I am deliberately immortalising with this quick reply
    Sure. I'll complete my other comment.

    Conservative peer, Lord Hamilton: Jews should pay for their own Holocaust memorial because they have "an awful lot of money"

    Conservative Party spokesman: "Completely unacceptable and flagrantly antisemitic"

    Kemi Badenoch: "Lord Hamilton misspoke and he's apologised and I think that should be the end of the matter."

    I don't think so.

    I was only teasing. It was clear from your mad blockquoting that you didn't mean to say, of your own volition, that mad thing about Jews

    It is a bizarrely clumsy remark from this Tory. That said, I honestly don't see why London needs a Holocaust memorial that takes up precious parkland in the centre of town
    I agree.
    Did the UK actually commit the Holocaust, or even allow its Jews to be rounded up?

    No.

    Why can’t we have a memorial to Chartists.
    Or, better, just nothing.
    The Palace of Westminster is a powerful memorial unto itself, which actually needs several billions of investment.
    Quite. There comes a point when ANOTHER Holocaust Memorial is a kind of expensive, pointless virtue signalling in black marble. A waste of money and time and a symptom of our footling, declining age. Not least because we ALREADY HAVE a memorial

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hyde_Park_Holocaust_Memorial

    Enough
    Can you please stop finishing posts with "Enough". Makes you sound like Richard Littlejohn.
    I prefer the name of John littledick
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 50,822
    edited March 7
    So, the utility group shortlist is the Akita, French bulldog, Lhasa Apso, miniature schnauzer, toy poodle, Tibetan spaniel, the Mexican hairless dog, the Shiba Inu, and the Keeshond.

    I reckon the Lhasa may get it.

    And the winner is…the miniature schnauzer from Croatia, the audience favourite. The Lhasa is runner up, third for the Tibetan spaniel, with the Shiba in fourth
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 75,164
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    Leon said:

    Lowe is, incidentally, a rather good public speaker. If you like firmly rightwing no nonsense opinions expressed clearly, confidently, and articulately. Trouble is:

    1. He's too old

    and

    2. He hasn't got Farage's rizz

    I can imagine he has a loyal chunk of Reform activists who prefer him to Nige, but it won't be enough if it comes to a shootout

    What Reform desperately need is a cadre of younger sassier telegenic new politicians. That is what all the successful populist rightwing parties in the EU have done - from Meloni to Bardella etc. Indeed that is probably exactly what reform needs: a younger WOMAN

    Holly Vallance?

    "No nonsense" seems a bit optimistic.
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