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Ô Canada! Terre de nos aïeux, Ton front est ceint de fleurons glorieux! – politicalbetting.com

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Ô Canada! Terre de nos aïeux, Ton front est ceint de fleurons glorieux! – politicalbetting.com

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  • BarnesianBarnesian Posts: 8,955
    edited February 26
    What is a fleuron?

    This?
    O, Canada! Land of our forefathers,
    Your brow is girt with glorious fleurons.

    A bit weird!
  • carnforthcarnforth Posts: 5,370
    edited February 26
    Deuxième.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 54,134
    Tabarnak!
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 62,298
    Quatrième?
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 33,898
    Has a by-election seat been lined up for Carney?
  • Barnesian said:

    What is a fleuron?

    This?
    O, Canada! Land of our forefathers,
    Your brow is girt with glorious fleurons.

    Yes, a floret.
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 62,298

    Cinquing fast

    Six these puns at once.
  • MoonRabbitMoonRabbit Posts: 13,968
    Of course Chagos Deal will come out the defence budget, it’s a no brainer, is it even a question to ask and non answer give? All the British Tax Payer gets from Chagos deal is security and defence of the realm, not budget holiday destination, so what other budget could it possibly come out of?
  • WHY CAN'T YOU SPEAK ENGLISH? :lol:
  • Could Trudeau un-resign?
  • WHY CAN'T YOU SPEAK ENGLISH? :lol:

    French is the best language in the world, swearing in French is like wiping your arse with silk.
  • MoonRabbitMoonRabbit Posts: 13,968

    WHY CAN'T YOU SPEAK ENGLISH? :lol:

    BECAUSE I’M FROM YORKSHIRE. AND IF YORKSHIRE GOT NOWT, ENGLAND GOT NOWT.
  • WHY CAN'T YOU SPEAK ENGLISH? :lol:

    French is the best language in the world, swearing in French is like wiping your arse with silk.
    Utter nonsense, everyone knows English is the best language in the world!
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 44,292
    It would be top notch lols if Donald Trump's bombasting leads to that epitome of the liberal globalist elite, Mark Carney, being the next leader of Canada.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 50,403

    Of course Chagos Deal will come out the defence budget, it’s a no brainer, is it even a question to ask and non answer give? All the British Tax Payer gets from Chagos deal is security and defence of the realm, not budget holiday destination, so what other budget could it possibly come out of?

    Well, let's see what appears, in particular if the rental gets recharged to the USA.

    It's a reasonably good bargaining chip with the USA to extract some form of quid pro quo.
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 62,298
    Been browsing Amazon for books. In September there's a history coming out claiming Septimius Severus was black.

    This seems monumentally unlikely. I'd need to check my biography of him but he was either senatorial or equestrian class, and lived in North Africa. The American black activist (cf Netflix and Cleopatra) belief that African = black and that North Africans are black and always have been is not something that stands up to scrutiny. But I'm sure it'll get plenty of attention. Pretty sure a black guy was cast to play Hannibal in a forthcoming TV show or film, despite him being Liby-Phoenician.
  • Of course Chagos Deal will come out the defence budget, it’s a no brainer, is it even a question to ask and non answer give? All the British Tax Payer gets from Chagos deal is security and defence of the realm, not budget holiday destination, so what other budget could it possibly come out of?

    The Chagos deal gives us neither security or defence of the realm. It makes both significantly worse.
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 34,254
    Looks like the Afghanistan cricket team are going to beat England's. That means England are out of the Champions Trophy.

  • A question I meant to ask a few days ago and forgot.

    I see Carney had a bit of an issue during a French language election debate. Is it a requirement for all politicians above a certain level to be fluent bilingual in Canada?
  • Looks like the Afghanistan cricket team are going to beat England's. That means England are out of the Champions Trophy.

    Good. Just desserts.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 79,003

    Looks like the Afghanistan cricket team are going to beat England's. That means England are out of the Champions Trophy.

    Eng 1.66 on the exchange to win.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 79,003
    Rooty Tooty gone.
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 18,318

    Looks like the Afghanistan cricket team are going to beat England's. That means England are out of the Champions Trophy.

    Good. Just desserts.
    Can you explain why? Its Afghanistan who shouldn't be there. Is what they are doing to women not worse than apartheid?
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 53,983
    Foxy said:

    Of course Chagos Deal will come out the defence budget, it’s a no brainer, is it even a question to ask and non answer give? All the British Tax Payer gets from Chagos deal is security and defence of the realm, not budget holiday destination, so what other budget could it possibly come out of?

    Well, let's see what appears, in particular if the rental gets recharged to the USA.

    It's a reasonably good bargaining chip with the USA to extract some form of quid pro quo.
    I honestlty doubt Labour could extract a quid of that quid pro quo...
  • OnlyLivingBoyOnlyLivingBoy Posts: 16,260
    Lol would love Carney to win. Talk about upsetting all the right people...
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 37,078
    Musk is holding his first cabinet meeting right now
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 58,830
    edited February 26

    Looks like the Afghanistan cricket team are going to beat England's. That means England are out of the Champions Trophy.

    Good. Just desserts.
    Can you explain why? Its Afghanistan who shouldn't be there. Is what they are doing to women not worse than apartheid?
    Yes, of course it is (worse than apartheid).

    What the Saudis do to women is no better than apartheid too. And I think you can probably make the same case about Israel in the West Bank.
  • TazTaz Posts: 16,900

    Looks like the Afghanistan cricket team are going to beat England's. That means England are out of the Champions Trophy.

    27 in 20 balls easily doable for England.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 54,134
    Scott_xP said:

    Musk is holding his first cabinet meeting right now

    https://x.com/atrupar/status/1894791674594836898

    "Thank you God for President Trump" -- Trump begins his cabinet meeting with a prayer
  • FF43FF43 Posts: 17,766
    edited February 26

    A question I meant to ask a few days ago and forgot.

    I see Carney had a bit of an issue during a French language election debate. Is it a requirement for all politicians above a certain level to be fluent bilingual in Canada?

    For Mark Carney I suspect important as the Liberals are in the market for francophone votes at the the expense of the Bloc. For Pierre Poilievre, whose French isn't as good as is implied by his name, I suspect fluency is less required given a limited market for his politics in Quebec. Some high ranking politicians have abysmal levels of French.
  • Scott_xP said:

    Musk is holding his first cabinet meeting right now

    It is surreal watching it and frankly time for the media to tone down some of their obsessive coverage
  • BattlebusBattlebus Posts: 547

    Scott_xP said:

    Musk is holding his first cabinet meeting right now

    https://x.com/atrupar/status/1894791674594836898

    "Thank you God for President Trump" -- Trump begins his cabinet meeting with a prayer
    So Trump is not a KGB sleeper then. He's been put there by a completely different shadowy organisation.

    https://thehill.com/opinion/international/5162890-assessing-new-allegations-that-trump-was-recruited-by-the-kgb/
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 37,078
    @jimsciutto

    Breaking: The first measles death has been reported in a growing outbreak in West Texas. The victim was a school-aged child who was unvaccinated and had been hospitalized in Lubbock, said a city spokesperson. This is the first US measles death since 2015.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,282
    Scott_xP said:

    @jimsciutto

    Breaking: The first measles death has been reported in a growing outbreak in West Texas. The victim was a school-aged child who was unvaccinated and had been hospitalized in Lubbock, said a city spokesperson. This is the first US measles death since 2015.

    What do their parents think about vaccination now?
  • Daveyboy1961Daveyboy1961 Posts: 4,309

    Scott_xP said:

    Musk is holding his first cabinet meeting right now

    It is surreal watching it and frankly time for the media to tone down some of their obsessive coverage
    I agree, sky and bbc covering it. Their obsession with Trump is very unhealthy. I try not to watch rolling news nowadays as it is very depressing.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 64,657
    Scott_xP said:

    Musk is holding his first cabinet meeting right now

    Gotta be the worst cabinet in US history.
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 30,186

    Of course Chagos Deal will come out the defence budget, it’s a no brainer, is it even a question to ask and non answer give? All the British Tax Payer gets from Chagos deal is security and defence of the realm, not budget holiday destination, so what other budget could it possibly come out of?

    I thought you'd seen the light on the Chagos Deal - I suppose Starmer cheerleading is a bigger priority for you than facts.
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 34,254
    Taz said:

    Looks like the Afghanistan cricket team are going to beat England's. That means England are out of the Champions Trophy.

    27 in 20 balls easily doable for England.
    Oh yeah?
  • FF43 said:

    A question I meant to ask a few days ago and forgot.

    I see Carney had a bit of an issue during a French language election debate. Is it a requirement for all politicians above a certain level to be fluent bilingual in Canada?

    For Mark Carney I suspect important as the Liberals are in the market for francophone votes at the the expense of the Bloc. For Pierre Poilievre, whose French isn't as good as is implied by his name, I suspect fluency is less required given a limited market for his politics in Quebec. Some high ranking politicians have abysmal levels of French.
    So there is no legal requirement then? I just wondered.
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 34,254
    edited February 26
    Deleted.
  • Looks like the Afghanistan cricket team are going to beat England's. That means England are out of the Champions Trophy.

    Good. Just desserts.
    Can you explain why? Its Afghanistan who shouldn't be there. Is what they are doing to women not worse than apartheid?
    Because we are validating their position in international sport by playing against them. We should not be seeking to normalise their regime.
  • SelebianSelebian Posts: 9,137

    Could Trudeau un-resign?

    We're all blaming/crediting the Libs turnaround with the arrival of Trump, but it also aligns neatly with Trudeau's announcement of resignation. Maybe just one of the most effective resignation speeches ever! :lol:
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 34,254

    Looks like the Afghanistan cricket team are going to beat England's. That means England are out of the Champions Trophy.

    Good. Just desserts.
    Can you explain why? Its Afghanistan who shouldn't be there. Is what they are doing to women not worse than apartheid?
    Because we are validating their position in international sport by playing against them. We should not be seeking to normalise their regime.
    This is a tournament, for which we, and they, have qualified.

    Understand your views, though.
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 34,254
    And England did lose. Bottom of the group. Next game is against Saffers, who must be licking their lips!
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 50,403

    Scott_xP said:

    Musk is holding his first cabinet meeting right now

    Gotta be the worst cabinet in US history.
    No way that group of goons will ammendment 25 him. That's the point, I think.
  • SelebianSelebian Posts: 9,137

    Cinquing fast

    Six these puns at once.
    Before we have the full sept? :disappointed:
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 64,770
    edited February 26

    And England did lose. Bottom of the group. Next game is against Saffers, who must be licking their lips!

    Watched the last few overs as England's batters accurately identified where to sky the ball directly underneath an Afghan fielder

    It was like they has GPS settings in their bat

    Ridiculous
  • And England did lose. Bottom of the group. Next game is against Saffers, who must be licking their lips!

    Presumably this is the end of Buttler as captain, and, one hopes, whoever picked Jamie Smith.
  • FF43FF43 Posts: 17,766

    FF43 said:

    A question I meant to ask a few days ago and forgot.

    I see Carney had a bit of an issue during a French language election debate. Is it a requirement for all politicians above a certain level to be fluent bilingual in Canada?

    For Mark Carney I suspect important as the Liberals are in the market for francophone votes at the the expense of the Bloc. For Pierre Poilievre, whose French isn't as good as is implied by his name, I suspect fluency is less required given a limited market for his politics in Quebec. Some high ranking politicians have abysmal levels of French.
    So there is no legal requirement then? I just wondered.
    I don't think so. The Civil Service sets language requirements according to the role, typically bilingual at a senior level. Which means a relatively higher number of native French speakers as they tend to be better at English than the other way round.
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,816

    A question I meant to ask a few days ago and forgot.

    I see Carney had a bit of an issue during a French language election debate. Is it a requirement for all politicians above a certain level to be fluent bilingual in Canada?

    In the sense that they have to debate in French then yes.
    Carney is unusual in that for a highly educated and paid Canadian his French is relatively poor.
  • noneoftheabovenoneoftheabove Posts: 23,935

    Scott_xP said:

    Musk is holding his first cabinet meeting right now

    It is surreal watching it and frankly time for the media to tone down some of their obsessive coverage
    I agree, sky and bbc covering it. Their obsession with Trump is very unhealthy. I try not to watch rolling news nowadays as it is very depressing.
    BBC should be mandated to have 20% good news. Plenty out there, hardly ever reported as bad news sells better.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 75,193
    .
    Foxy said:

    Scott_xP said:

    Musk is holding his first cabinet meeting right now

    Gotta be the worst cabinet in US history.
    No way that group of goons will ammendment 25 him. That's the point, I think.
    It’s more likely to follow Death of Stalin, with them terrified of his corpse until absolutely certain.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 75,193

    Of course Chagos Deal will come out the defence budget, it’s a no brainer, is it even a question to ask and non answer give? All the British Tax Payer gets from Chagos deal is security and defence of the realm, not budget holiday destination, so what other budget could it possibly come out of?

    I thought you'd seen the light on the Chagos Deal - I suppose Starmer cheerleading is a bigger priority for you than facts.
    We’re planning to swap it for Greenland …
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 13,054
    dixiedean said:

    A question I meant to ask a few days ago and forgot.

    I see Carney had a bit of an issue during a French language election debate. Is it a requirement for all politicians above a certain level to be fluent bilingual in Canada?

    In the sense that they have to debate in French then yes.
    Carney is unusual in that for a highly educated and paid Canadian his French is relatively poor.
    The current Governor General of Canada, Mary Simon, is bilingual in English and Inuktitut, but her French is poor. Some Francophones tried to sue to get her removed on this basis, but failed.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 75,193

    Scott_xP said:

    Musk is holding his first cabinet meeting right now

    https://x.com/atrupar/status/1894791674594836898

    "Thank you God for President Trump" -- Trump begins his cabinet meeting with a prayer
    “For anointing us…”
    I feel we need HYUFD’s judgment on the divine rightness of that.
  • Daveyboy1961Daveyboy1961 Posts: 4,309

    Scott_xP said:

    Musk is holding his first cabinet meeting right now

    It is surreal watching it and frankly time for the media to tone down some of their obsessive coverage
    I agree, sky and bbc covering it. Their obsession with Trump is very unhealthy. I try not to watch rolling news nowadays as it is very depressing.
    BBC should be mandated to have 20% good news. Plenty out there, hardly ever reported as bad news sells better.
    It doesnt have to be good news, just UK news and Europe news would be nkice
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 75,193
    Donald Trump Jr.:

    I honestly can’t imagine that anyone in their right mind would be picking Ukraine as an ally when Russia is the other option, the US should have been sending weapons to Russia.

    https://x.com/clashreport/status/1894789558648127693
  • Trump on tariffs

    The EU was formed to screw the United States and they have done a good job of it but now I am President

    Tariffs coming to the EU but what about the UK ?
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 75,193
    Reporter: “Can you talk about what type of security guarantees you're willing to make to Ukraine?”
    Trump: Well I'm not going to make security guarantees beyond very much. We're gonna have Europe do that.

    https://x.com/AlexandruC4/status/1894800926084325382

    “They have great rare earth”…
  • Nigelb said:

    Reporter: “Can you talk about what type of security guarantees you're willing to make to Ukraine?”
    Trump: Well I'm not going to make security guarantees beyond very much. We're gonna have Europe do that.

    https://x.com/AlexandruC4/status/1894800926084325382

    “They have great rare earth”…

    Trump did say that as a result of the mineral deal Americans will be present in Ukraine

    It just gets more convoluted and who knows where this goes
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 121,188
    edited February 26
    Really sad news.

    'Buffy' and 'Gossip Girl' actress Michelle Trachtenberg dead at 39

    https://abcnews.go.com/GMA/Culture/buffy-gossip-girl-actress-michelle-trachtenberg-dead-39/story?id=119215091
  • Scott_xP said:

    Musk is holding his first cabinet meeting right now

    It is surreal watching it and frankly time for the media to tone down some of their obsessive coverage
    I agree, sky and bbc covering it. Their obsession with Trump is very unhealthy. I try not to watch rolling news nowadays as it is very depressing.
    BBC should be mandated to have 20% good news. Plenty out there, hardly ever reported as bad news sells better.
    It doesnt have to be good news, just UK news and Europe news would be nkice
    The problem is that in Europe news Trump has confirmed tariffs will be applied so how do you eliminate him from the news ?

    Four more years of this as well
  • BarnesianBarnesian Posts: 8,955
    edited February 26
    Nigelb said:

    Donald Trump Jr.:

    I honestly can’t imagine that anyone in their right mind would be picking Ukraine as an ally when Russia is the other option, the US should have been sending weapons to Russia.

    https://x.com/clashreport/status/1894789558648127693

    What!!

    Donald Trump Jr is currently 25/1 to be the next President.
  • FF43 said:

    A question I meant to ask a few days ago and forgot.

    I see Carney had a bit of an issue during a French language election debate. Is it a requirement for all politicians above a certain level to be fluent bilingual in Canada?

    For Mark Carney I suspect important as the Liberals are in the market for francophone votes at the the expense of the Bloc. For Pierre Poilievre, whose French isn't as good as is implied by his name, I suspect fluency is less required given a limited market for his politics in Quebec. Some high ranking politicians have abysmal levels of French.
    According to the 2021 Census, Canada as a whole has 68% of the population speaking English at home. In sharp contrast, in Quebec, it's only 10% (74% speak French).

    Excluding Quebec, Canada is 80% English-speaking at home (compare 78% for the USA, 91% for Blighty).

  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 75,193
    Barnesian said:

    Nigelb said:

    Donald Trump Jr.:

    I honestly can’t imagine that anyone in their right mind would be picking Ukraine as an ally when Russia is the other option, the US should have been sending weapons to Russia.

    https://x.com/clashreport/status/1894789558648127693

    What!!
    He’s just slightly more honest than his dad.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 37,078
    edited February 26
    Dumber than a bag of rare earth minerals...

    @faisalislam
    NEW:

    What if the EU retaliates?

    Trump: “They can’t. They can try, but they can’t… the numbers can never equal us… they can retaliate , but it cannot be a successful retaliation, because we just go cold turkey we dont buy any more and if that happens, we win”.
  • MoonRabbitMoonRabbit Posts: 13,968

    Of course Chagos Deal will come out the defence budget, it’s a no brainer, is it even a question to ask and non answer give? All the British Tax Payer gets from Chagos deal is security and defence of the realm, not budget holiday destination, so what other budget could it possibly come out of?

    I thought you'd seen the light on the Chagos Deal - I suppose Starmer cheerleading is a bigger priority for you than facts.
    Nope. I’m not supporting the deal. I’m not supporting Starmer. I’m commenting on the politics of it today.

    1. Whether Chagos deal provides security to UK or not is irrelevant - if it becomes a deal, it’s a defence deal, is my point. The only budget it can be charged to is defence. So the purpose in asking a government keen to achieve the deal, what budget it comes from, is to extract refusal to answer.
    2. It gets refuse to answer with only possible answer - defence - is a government on the back foot, making it good work from Kemi and a strong PMQ from her.
    3. Trump will 100% back the deal, as the winners from the deal are US, India, and Mauritius, a triumvirate of like minded buddies. The only question mark is how Trump will now improve the deal further in Mauritius favour, at expense of UK. Trump likes most the previous administrations cosying with India, though looks to rebrand the good bits with his own name.
    4. UK PM at PMQs cannot publicly say the deal is actually all about furthering UK security interests, by giving US and India what they want and keeping them sweet, even though it’s the truth. That India calls off its slander and pressure on us over “no Mauritius deal”, US control of island and waters without messy ownership, India get a free stab into British colonialism.
    5. Last Chagos deal got us cheaper defence procurement from US, I’m not sure Starmer can publicly admit this bit either if part of the new deal, as it’s a rather abstract sweetener or stipend.

    That’s my take out from today’s bit of politics.
  • Really sad news.

    'Buffy' and 'Gossip Girl' actress Michelle Trachtenberg dead at 39

    https://abcnews.go.com/GMA/Culture/buffy-gossip-girl-actress-michelle-trachtenberg-dead-39/story?id=119215091

    Wow that is sad. I actually really disliked her character in Buffy but that doesn't reflect on her as a person and that is a real shame. Way too young.
  • DopermeanDopermean Posts: 849
    Scott_xP said:

    @jimsciutto

    Breaking: The first measles death has been reported in a growing outbreak in West Texas. The victim was a school-aged child who was unvaccinated and had been hospitalized in Lubbock, said a city spokesperson. This is the first US measles death since 2015.

    Criminal, a death that has only happened because of the greed of malicious anti-vax campaigners
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 58,830
    RobD said:

    Scott_xP said:

    @jimsciutto

    Breaking: The first measles death has been reported in a growing outbreak in West Texas. The victim was a school-aged child who was unvaccinated and had been hospitalized in Lubbock, said a city spokesperson. This is the first US measles death since 2015.

    What do their parents think about vaccination now?
    They will be distraught, but their children are in God's arms now.
  • Interesting bit from More in Common poll earlier.

    Things are getting better - 7%
    Things are getting worse - 72%
    Same - 18%
    DK - 3%

    'Things are getting better' is heavily weighted by Greater London that sits at 21%. No other area gets above 6%.

    A real outlier of sentiment in London.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 121,188
    edited February 26

    Really sad news.

    'Buffy' and 'Gossip Girl' actress Michelle Trachtenberg dead at 39

    https://abcnews.go.com/GMA/Culture/buffy-gossip-girl-actress-michelle-trachtenberg-dead-39/story?id=119215091

    Wow that is sad. I actually really disliked her character in Buffy but that doesn't reflect on her as a person and that is a real shame. Way too young.
    The other day I was talking about what they would do with her character in the new Buffy show.

    It’s way too young.
  • GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 22,109

    Nigelb said:

    Donald Trump Jr.:

    I honestly can’t imagine that anyone in their right mind would be picking Ukraine as an ally when Russia is the other option, the US should have been sending weapons to Russia.

    https://x.com/clashreport/status/1894789558648127693

    I really need to post the name and shame list of all those who said before the election that the second Trump presidency would be better for Ukraine than President Harris.
    Why don’t you?
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 44,292

    Scott_xP said:

    Musk is holding his first cabinet meeting right now

    Gotta be the worst cabinet in US history.
    A tough watch but I did a few minutes. It's an autocracy now and the top guy is a shambles. What a tragedy.
  • Nigelb said:

    Donald Trump Jr.:

    I honestly can’t imagine that anyone in their right mind would be picking Ukraine as an ally when Russia is the other option, the US should have been sending weapons to Russia.

    https://x.com/clashreport/status/1894789558648127693

    I really need to post the name and shame list of all those who said before the election that the second Trump presidency would be better for Ukraine than President Harris.
    Why don’t you?
    Don’t have the time at the moment.

    Utterly snowed under at work, off to the soccer tonight, plus I’m in a grumpy mood at the moment and I might drop the c bomb on those on the name and shame list.
  • kjhkjh Posts: 12,312
    Scott_xP said:

    Dumber than a bag of rare earth minerals...

    @faisalislam
    NEW:

    What if the EU retaliates?

    Trump: “They can’t. They can try, but they can’t… the numbers can never equal us… they can retaliate , but it cannot be a successful retaliation, because we just go cold turkey we dont buy any more and if that happens, we win”.

    This is hurting my brain. If the EU sets tariffs it reduces US sales to Europe, it doesn't impact EU sales to the US. It's Trump's tariffs that does that. What an I missing?
  • Daveyboy1961Daveyboy1961 Posts: 4,309

    Scott_xP said:

    Musk is holding his first cabinet meeting right now

    It is surreal watching it and frankly time for the media to tone down some of their obsessive coverage
    I agree, sky and bbc covering it. Their obsession with Trump is very unhealthy. I try not to watch rolling news nowadays as it is very depressing.
    BBC should be mandated to have 20% good news. Plenty out there, hardly ever reported as bad news sells better.
    It doesnt have to be good news, just UK news and Europe news would be nkice
    The problem is that in Europe news Trump has confirmed tariffs will be applied so how do you eliminate him from the news ?

    Four more years of this as well
    I hope he gets eliminated from the news sometimes.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 54,134
    kinabalu said:

    Scott_xP said:

    Musk is holding his first cabinet meeting right now

    Gotta be the worst cabinet in US history.
    A tough watch but I did a few minutes. It's an autocracy now and the top guy is a shambles. What a tragedy.
    It's no more an autocracy than we had under people like Theresa May who humiliated Osborne and randomly abolished government departments leading to condemnation from Kofi Annan, Mary Robinson and Desmond Tutu.

    https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2016/jul/15/decc-abolition-major-setback-for-uk-climate-change-efforts
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 58,830

    kinabalu said:

    Scott_xP said:

    Musk is holding his first cabinet meeting right now

    Gotta be the worst cabinet in US history.
    A tough watch but I did a few minutes. It's an autocracy now and the top guy is a shambles. What a tragedy.
    It's no more an autocracy than we had under people like Theresa May who humiliated Osborne and randomly abolished government departments leading to condemnation from Kofi Annan, Mary Robinson and Desmond Tutu.

    https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2016/jul/15/decc-abolition-major-setback-for-uk-climate-change-efforts
    How do you know it was random?
  • GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 22,109
    Nigelb said:

    Donald Trump Jr.:

    I honestly can’t imagine that anyone in their right mind would be picking Ukraine as an ally when Russia is the other option, the US should have been sending weapons to Russia.

    https://x.com/clashreport/status/1894789558648127693

    Probably accurate that he “can’t imagine”, as he is quite clearly thick as two short planks.
  • Daveyboy1961Daveyboy1961 Posts: 4,309

    kinabalu said:

    Scott_xP said:

    Musk is holding his first cabinet meeting right now

    Gotta be the worst cabinet in US history.
    A tough watch but I did a few minutes. It's an autocracy now and the top guy is a shambles. What a tragedy.
    It's no more an autocracy than we had under people like Theresa May who humiliated Osborne and randomly abolished government departments leading to condemnation from Kofi Annan, Mary Robinson and Desmond Tutu.

    https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2016/jul/15/decc-abolition-major-setback-for-uk-climate-change-efforts
    Be honest William, you 💕 him really don't you...
  • glwglw Posts: 10,254
    kjh said:

    Scott_xP said:

    Dumber than a bag of rare earth minerals...

    @faisalislam
    NEW:

    What if the EU retaliates?

    Trump: “They can’t. They can try, but they can’t… the numbers can never equal us… they can retaliate , but it cannot be a successful retaliation, because we just go cold turkey we dont buy any more and if that happens, we win”.

    This is hurting my brain. If the EU sets tariffs it reduces US sales to Europe, it doesn't impact EU sales to the US. It's Trump's tariffs that does that. What an I missing?
    He's one of the dumbest people on the planet?
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 54,134
    rcs1000 said:

    kinabalu said:

    Scott_xP said:

    Musk is holding his first cabinet meeting right now

    Gotta be the worst cabinet in US history.
    A tough watch but I did a few minutes. It's an autocracy now and the top guy is a shambles. What a tragedy.
    It's no more an autocracy than we had under people like Theresa May who humiliated Osborne and randomly abolished government departments leading to condemnation from Kofi Annan, Mary Robinson and Desmond Tutu.

    https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2016/jul/15/decc-abolition-major-setback-for-uk-climate-change-efforts
    How do you know it was random?
    Random in the sense of capricious.

    It was an abrupt departure from the emphasis of Cameron's government. In other countries it might have been considered a kind of coup.
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 30,186

    Of course Chagos Deal will come out the defence budget, it’s a no brainer, is it even a question to ask and non answer give? All the British Tax Payer gets from Chagos deal is security and defence of the realm, not budget holiday destination, so what other budget could it possibly come out of?

    I thought you'd seen the light on the Chagos Deal - I suppose Starmer cheerleading is a bigger priority for you than facts.
    Nope. I’m not supporting the deal. I’m not supporting Starmer. I’m commenting on the politics of it today.

    1. Whether Chagos deal provides security to UK or not is irrelevant - if it becomes a deal, it’s a defence deal, is my point. The only budget it can be charged to is defence. So the purpose in asking a government keen to achieve the deal, what budget it comes from, is to extract refusal to answer.
    2. It gets refuse to answer with only possible answer - defence - is a government on the back foot, making it good work from Kemi and a strong PMQ from her.
    3. Trump will 100% back the deal, as the winners from the deal are US, India, and Mauritius, a triumvirate of like minded buddies. The only question mark is how Trump will now improve the deal further in Mauritius favour, at expense of UK. Trump likes most the previous administrations cosying with India, though looks to rebrand the good bits with his own name.
    4. UK PM at PMQs cannot publicly say the deal is actually all about furthering UK security interests, by giving US and India what they want and keeping them sweet, even though it’s the truth. That India calls off its slander and pressure on us over “no Mauritius deal”, US control of island and waters without messy ownership, India get a free stab into British colonialism.
    5. Last Chagos deal got us cheaper defence procurement from US, I’m not sure Starmer can publicly admit this bit either if part of the new deal, as it’s a rather abstract sweetener or stipend.

    That’s my take out from today’s bit of politics.
    Broadly I do give some value to this gloomy prognosis, though I cherish a lingering hope that Trump will decide to stick it to Starmer and shitcan the deal.

    It's basically another complete waste of defence spend, like Trident but without the veneer of usefulness. Next time we're being invaded, what do we do, wave the Chagos deal at them? Before trying to fire a Trident missile at them as an encore and it turns tail and heads back to Florida?
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 75,193
    rcs1000 said:

    RobD said:

    Scott_xP said:

    @jimsciutto

    Breaking: The first measles death has been reported in a growing outbreak in West Texas. The victim was a school-aged child who was unvaccinated and had been hospitalized in Lubbock, said a city spokesperson. This is the first US measles death since 2015.

    What do their parents think about vaccination now?
    They will be distraught, but their children are in God's arms now.
    There are likely to be deaths from non-measles infections among those who have had measles, over the next couple of years.

    Long-term measles-induced immunomodulation increases overall childhood infectious disease mortality

    https://www.science.org/doi/abs/10.1126/science.aaa3662
    Immunosuppression after measles is known to predispose people to opportunistic infections for a period of several weeks to months. Using population-level data, we show that measles has a more prolonged effect on host resistance, extending over 2 to 3 years. We find that nonmeasles infectious disease mortality in high-income countries is tightly coupled to measles incidence at this lag, in both the pre- and post-vaccine eras. We conclude that long-term immunologic sequelae of measles drive interannual fluctuations in nonmeasles deaths. This is consistent with recent experimental work that attributes the immunosuppressive effects of measles to depletion of B and T lymphocytes. Our data provide an explanation for the long-term benefits of measles vaccination in preventing all-cause infectious disease. By preventing measles-associated immune memory loss, vaccination protects polymicrobial herd immunity


  • RazedabodeRazedabode Posts: 3,080
    Scott_xP said:

    Dumber than a bag of rare earth minerals...

    @faisalislam
    NEW:

    What if the EU retaliates?

    Trump: “They can’t. They can try, but they can’t… the numbers can never equal us… they can retaliate , but it cannot be a successful retaliation, because we just go cold turkey we dont buy any more and if that happens, we win”.

    I hope the EU responds or at least stands up to him
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 54,134

    Nigelb said:

    Donald Trump Jr.:

    I honestly can’t imagine that anyone in their right mind would be picking Ukraine as an ally when Russia is the other option, the US should have been sending weapons to Russia.

    https://x.com/clashreport/status/1894789558648127693

    I really need to post the name and shame list of all those who said before the election that the second Trump presidency would be better for Ukraine than President Harris.
    You could illustrate it with a map of the frontline at the time of the election compared with the frontline now.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 75,193

    Really sad news.

    'Buffy' and 'Gossip Girl' actress Michelle Trachtenberg dead at 39

    https://abcnews.go.com/GMA/Culture/buffy-gossip-girl-actress-michelle-trachtenberg-dead-39/story?id=119215091

    Wow that is sad. I actually really disliked her character in Buffy but that doesn't reflect on her as a person and that is a real shame. Way too young.
    The other day I was talking about what they would do with her character in the new Buffy show.

    It’s way too young.
    Harriet the Spy was one of my daughter’s favourites.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 44,292
    glw said:

    kjh said:

    Scott_xP said:

    Dumber than a bag of rare earth minerals...

    @faisalislam
    NEW:

    What if the EU retaliates?

    Trump: “They can’t. They can try, but they can’t… the numbers can never equal us… they can retaliate , but it cannot be a successful retaliation, because we just go cold turkey we dont buy any more and if that happens, we win”.

    This is hurting my brain. If the EU sets tariffs it reduces US sales to Europe, it doesn't impact EU sales to the US. It's Trump's tariffs that does that. What an I missing?
    He's one of the dumbest people on the planet?
    Perhaps he's on a "levelling down" mission.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 58,830

    Scott_xP said:

    Dumber than a bag of rare earth minerals...

    @faisalislam
    NEW:

    What if the EU retaliates?

    Trump: “They can’t. They can try, but they can’t… the numbers can never equal us… they can retaliate , but it cannot be a successful retaliation, because we just go cold turkey we dont buy any more and if that happens, we win”.

    I hope the EU responds or at least stands up to him
    Actually, I think the smartest thing the EU can do is simply to ignore the tariffs, and attempt to stimulate domestic demand.

    Hopefully policymakers will realise that if you can't depend on external demand (i.e. the US), then you need to generate demand at home. Doing this would (a) reduce the trade surplus, and (b) make Europeans generally happier and wealthier.

  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 30,186

    rcs1000 said:

    kinabalu said:

    Scott_xP said:

    Musk is holding his first cabinet meeting right now

    Gotta be the worst cabinet in US history.
    A tough watch but I did a few minutes. It's an autocracy now and the top guy is a shambles. What a tragedy.
    It's no more an autocracy than we had under people like Theresa May who humiliated Osborne and randomly abolished government departments leading to condemnation from Kofi Annan, Mary Robinson and Desmond Tutu.

    https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2016/jul/15/decc-abolition-major-setback-for-uk-climate-change-efforts
    How do you know it was random?
    Random in the sense of capricious.

    It was an abrupt departure from the emphasis of Cameron's government. In other countries it might have been considered a kind of coup.
    Speaking of capricious, I'm intrigued by this Osbornite kick you're on at the moment. I'm not complaining - it's all part of the ebb and flow of WilliamGlennism, but I am puzzled as to this particular predilection. The man has proven himself incapable of running a museum, much less an economy.
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 30,186

    Scott_xP said:

    Dumber than a bag of rare earth minerals...

    @faisalislam
    NEW:

    What if the EU retaliates?

    Trump: “They can’t. They can try, but they can’t… the numbers can never equal us… they can retaliate , but it cannot be a successful retaliation, because we just go cold turkey we dont buy any more and if that happens, we win”.

    I hope the EU responds or at least stands up to him
    As long as we're not involved, let them at it and pass the popcorn I say.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 44,292
    edited February 26

    kinabalu said:

    Scott_xP said:

    Musk is holding his first cabinet meeting right now

    Gotta be the worst cabinet in US history.
    A tough watch but I did a few minutes. It's an autocracy now and the top guy is a shambles. What a tragedy.
    It's no more an autocracy than we had under people like Theresa May who humiliated Osborne and randomly abolished government departments leading to condemnation from Kofi Annan, Mary Robinson and Desmond Tutu.

    https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2016/jul/15/decc-abolition-major-setback-for-uk-climate-change-efforts
    Nearly four years to go. Will you have the stamina? I'll have a grudging respect if you do.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 58,830

    Scott_xP said:

    Dumber than a bag of rare earth minerals...

    @faisalislam
    NEW:

    What if the EU retaliates?

    Trump: “They can’t. They can try, but they can’t… the numbers can never equal us… they can retaliate , but it cannot be a successful retaliation, because we just go cold turkey we dont buy any more and if that happens, we win”.

    I hope the EU responds or at least stands up to him
    As long as we're not involved, let them at it and pass the popcorn I say.
    The Trump tariffs will reduce the value of the Euro, and increase the value of the US Dollar, so it will have an impact on us even if no tariffs are imposed on the UK.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 53,983

    Nigelb said:

    Donald Trump Jr.:

    I honestly can’t imagine that anyone in their right mind would be picking Ukraine as an ally when Russia is the other option, the US should have been sending weapons to Russia.

    https://x.com/clashreport/status/1894789558648127693

    I really need to post the name and shame list of all those who said before the election that the second Trump presidency would be better for Ukraine than President Harris.
    Weren't they all outed as trolls and banned?
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