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  • Daveyboy1961Daveyboy1961 Posts: 4,339

    Or whatever Mrs Bercow tells him to believe
    Orrderrrr
  • Nigel_ForemainNigel_Foremain Posts: 14,700

    Nobody can equal Zionists for believing/swallowing conspiracy theories.
    Oh great, our own resident Corbynista indulges in a bit of quasi-antisemitism, just to demonstrate what a bunch of complete wankers extremists are.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 54,031

    It's outrageous. Fake dentists? Whatever next.
    Just filling time at a fake dentists?
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 30,609

    Well she was followed when she claimed to be going to the dentist.

    She went to a Labour Party meeting

    So indeed fake dentists
    I don't particularly want to defend Reeves but didn't TSE confirm yesterday that the tale you tell is infact a crock.

    Go back to cheerleading Putin!
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 54,031
    Selebian said:

    Sound of the Thunder, maybe? (Fureys)
    It's fine, but doesn't quite get into the essence of racing like the other three?
  • LeonLeon Posts: 58,970

    These are the values the US shares with Europe, apparently, and which get the Spectator class so excited. I suppose Melania is Slovenian!

    How conveniently you lefties forget Hunter Biden
  • Reform voters tend to be low information voters. They don't know much about the detail of how the world works and they don't care - they just want things to be good for them and their own.

    TBH there's something refreshing about that - if we're honest with ourselves many of us think we are more knowledgeable about some stuff than we actually are. Good at saying things that are plausible even if they aren't actual.

    People expressing a view about how a Trump/Putin deal will be good for Putin. Perhaps. Perhaps not. We have no detail about what the deal might be. Not even any broad outlines of it. So all we're doing is letting our prejudices run wild and imagine what a deal might look like from two people we don't have a good opinion of. We are low information on this subject, no different to anyone else.

    Yet I suspect more people, including Reform voters, would have a better idea of where Reform stood on an issue than Lib Dems.

    One group of people understand that they are voting for a protest party, the other pretend they aren't.
  • Nigel_ForemainNigel_Foremain Posts: 14,700

    I don't particularly want to defend Reeves but didn't TSE confirm yesterday that the tale you tell is infact a crock.

    Go back to cheerleading Putin!
    I don't know about that one, but the BBC has revealed that Reeves was investigated, along with others including her boss for possible expenses fraud following a whistle blower suggesting she had used her expense account to buy personal items such as clothes, designer handbags and perfume.

    Not the sort of things you would normally purchase on expenses and also seems to mirror her dodgy receipt of designer clothes from the Labour donor. I believe it has also been suggested that there was a compromise agreement/NDA in place with her previous employer. It is possible that this was because such frivolous use of bank funds infringed FSA regs perhaps? This is all very consistent with someone who lies on their CV. It is why many employers treat exaggerations on CVs as gross misconduct, which is exactly what it is.

    SHE NEEDS TO BE FIRED!
  • FPT…

    It is that unique? What of Roy Jenkins (Lab-SDP-LibDem) or Stratton Mills (UUP-Con-APNI) or Enoch Powell (Con-UUP) or Winston Churchill (Con-Lib-ind-Con) or Oswald Mosley (Conservative-Independent-Labour-New Party-Union Movement-National Party of Europe) or Dick Taverne (Lab-Democratic Labour-SDP-LibDem) or Jim Sillars (Lab-Scottish Labour Party-SNP)?
    'Unique' wasn't my word. I'd have said that the political movement of politicians between parties was more 'once in a generation'. Since the early 80s probably. Guess the examples depend on the journey, some are understable, others opportunistic or showing poor judgement.
  • OnlyLivingBoyOnlyLivingBoy Posts: 16,269

    She certainly wouldn't be rolling over for Putin, and would be giving that orange surrendering twat a good earful too
    Maybe the Tory party can use AI to create a virtual Thatcher who they can then elect leader.
  • Nigel_ForemainNigel_Foremain Posts: 14,700

    Maybe the Tory party can use AI to create a virtual Thatcher who they can then elect leader.
    Hmm, indeed, an AI hologram of the Great Leader has some appeal. An AI creation of any past PM (recent few accepted) would be more interesting than Sir Keir Boring, and probably a lot more straight forward and honest than Rachel From Customer Complaints.
  • Leon said:

    How conveniently you lefties forget Hunter Biden

    Hunter Biden is American. He has nothing to do with European values.

  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 58,850

    O/T, My Spotify random player has just picked, back-to-back, two of the greatest songs about horse racing ever written:

    Elbow - The Fix followed by The Pogues - Bottle of Smoke.

    (The third being The Galway Farmer by Show of Hands. Go on, treat yourself to a medley - although The Pogues are a bit sweary so may be NSFW...)

    Is there a fourth?

    That means there are at least three Show of Hands fans on here: you, me, and... one other, who I won't out.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 58,850
    Sean_F said:

    Bercow simply believes in whatever is expedient, at any particular point in time.
    You're saying he's human?

    Seems like a stretch, but there you go.
  • GallowgateGallowgate Posts: 19,910
    rcs1000 said:

    That means there are at least three Show of Hands fans on here: you, me, and... one other, who I won't out.
    Me also
  • Nigel_ForemainNigel_Foremain Posts: 14,700

    Just filling time at a fake dentists?
    I can imagine going to a local Labour Party meeting would be a bit like pulling teeth
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 62,051

    Very off-topic, but 4pm on a Friday is when my next YouTube video goes out. And I've had a phenomenal week. Earned as much in 7 days as I did in January as a whole. Added more than a 1,000 new subscribers. Had an interesting approach from a potential new sponsor.

    Sometimes feels like I am a slave to the algorithm but other times it just clicks and things surge forward. I've also built up a bank of material for the coming weeks - next 2 weeks are mostly edited, the week after is shot, I've got a stack of other ideas to pull together and more road trips planned.

    It's very much my secondary business activity, but of the 4 I have this is the most fun.

    Well done. Great work.
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 44,888

    Well done. Great work.
    If he's promoting Tesla, he's doing the devil's work...
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 44,617

    Perhaps the clp chair was a dentist?

    :)
    Mr Sarwar MSP, head of the Scottish branch office, is a dentist by trade. Still keeps up his qualification, I believe (very sensibly).
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 62,051

    Hunter Biden is American. He has nothing to do with European values.

    "European values" ?
  • "European values" ?

    Ask JD Vance, he was talking about them today. He didn't say what they were just said we shared them with the US.

  • OmniumOmnium Posts: 11,334
    Given the almost certainty of a comedy double act that just test their strength against the great willyometer of the world where it's hard to think of good things about the world rather than it has to be the Duke of Wellington. what on earth is going on?
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 30,227
    Andy_JS said:

    Didn't expect to read this in the Economist.

    "It increasingly looks as if Lucy Letby’s conviction was unsafe
    The case of a nurse jailed for killing babies exposes deep problems with British justice"

    https://www.economist.com/britain/2025/02/10/it-increasingly-looks-as-if-lucy-letbys-conviction-was-unsafe

    And with the NHS.
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 30,227

    @Luckyguy1983 gives it a good try... ;)
    :lol:

    I'll give you that one.
  • OmniumOmnium Posts: 11,334
    rcs1000 said:

    You're saying he's human?

    Seems like a stretch, but there you go.
    He needs a stretch.
  • StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 9,365
    Fpt @williamglenn re: CDC website deletion not actually happening

    From Google AI:

    In January 2025, the Trump administration took down several Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) datasets and surveys. The deletions were part of a larger purge of federal health data that was prompted by executive orders on gender and diversity.

    What was deleted?
    Data on adolescent health
    Infectious disease data
    Clinical guidelines on reproductive care and HIV
    Large-scale national health surveys
    Indices
    Data dashboards



  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 53,505
    Omnium said:

    Given the almost certainty of a comedy double act that just test their strength against the great willyometer of the world where it's hard to think of good things about the world rather than it has to be the Duke of Wellington. what on earth is going on?

    Not quite sure what you mean but...

    Are you aware that the Duke of Wellington was actually doing an act? - the whole Iron Duke thing was the public face of a man who was at heart, a bit of an artist and amateur dramatist.

    His public utterances were carefully calculated to build that image.
  • dr_spyndr_spyn Posts: 11,305

    Fascism was popularised as a political concept by Mussolini, who was a socialist/communist/marxist just a few years earlier. This is direct evidence that the seemingly different political philosophies are actually rather appealing to the same sort of person.
    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2009/oct/13/benito-mussolini-recruited-mi5-italy

    Mussolini and the golden Knights of St George.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 75,290
    That's how you do a resignation letter.

    “I expect you will eventually find someone who is enough of a fool, or enough of a coward, to file your motion. But it was never going to be me.”

    This guy got two Bronze stars in Iraq and clerked for Roberts before landing at SDNY

    https://x.com/jonfavs/status/1890445003375227246
  • OmniumOmnium Posts: 11,334

    Not quite sure what you mean but...

    Are you aware that the Duke of Wellington was actually doing an act? - the whole Iron Duke thing was the public face of a man who was at heart, a bit of an artist and amateur dramatist.

    His public utterances were carefully calculated to build that image.
    Having met the Duke of Wellington's descendants I'm pretty sure he was a ghastly toad of a man that got lucky.They're called 'Wellesley'. One should avoid.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 53,505
    dr_spyn said:

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2009/oct/13/benito-mussolini-recruited-mi5-italy

    Mussolini and the golden Knights of St George.
    The reason for that was that Mussolini was supporting the Allied War effort from the Left. After the disasters of the 12 battles of the Isonzo - culminating in Caporetto - Italy looked like it might drop out of the war.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 58,970
    edited February 14
    The Indian economy is about to be devastated by AI. It will kill all the outsourced workers - the programmers. Then it will kill their call centres. Then it will kill *anyone* who works on a screen from abroad. Then it will kill anyone who works from home, even domestically. Then it will kill 50% of white collar workers overall

    That’s in the next 1-4 years

    I just want to get my next predictions in, after my success with Ukraine
  • CookieCookie Posts: 14,644
    Just heard Rachel Reeves in the radio denying her expenses fuddle. She has quite an annoying voice. Also, her coda that "I am proud of the work I did at the Bank of England as an economist and later at HBoS" draws into attention that a) she wasn't an economist at HBoS, and b) what an odd career trajectory it is to go from economist to complaints department.
  • dr_spyndr_spyn Posts: 11,305
    If the current Chancellor of the Exchequer collected cartoons, she might like this.

    https://x.com/MattCartoonist/status/1890455492654231839
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 64,800
    edited February 14

    Today, I learned that I can leave my house in Hampshire at 7.30am and arrive in Thurso by 11pm the same day by train. 5 trains to be precise. That's over 500 miles north. At a cost of less than £130.

    That really is quite incredible.

    Next, I want to see if I can fathom a route that gets me to the Orkney Islands (where I have never been, and i want to survey Scapa Flow) inside 24 hours sans car.

    Not sure it is possible but this is information on ferries to Orkney

    My wife spent the last few war years on Orkney by Scapa as the fishermen and others supplied the ships

    https://www.orkney.com/plan/getting-here
  • eekeek Posts: 29,399
    Cookie said:

    Just heard Rachel Reeves in the radio denying her expenses fuddle. She has quite an annoying voice. Also, her coda that "I am proud of the work I did at the Bank of England as an economist and later at HBoS" draws into attention that a) she wasn't an economist at HBoS, and b) what an odd career trajectory it is to go from economist to complaints department.

    Not really she took the best job she could find at the place she relocated to.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 44,617

    Today, I learned that I can leave my house in Hampshire at 7.30am and arrive in Thurso by 11pm the same day by train. 5 trains to be precise. That's over 500 miles north. At a cost of less than £130.

    That really is quite incredible.

    Next, I want to see if I can fathom a route that gets me to the Orkney Islands (where I have never been, and i want to survey Scapa Flow) inside 24 hours sans car.

    Check Aberdeen-Orkney ferry. But it would take you to Kirkwall, not thro' the Flow as I understand it, so you'd need to walk a couple of miles at the end. . The Thurso ferry will go into Scapa for a little bit en route to Stromness. The route from John O G|roats or whatever to South Ronaldsay will get you a drive past Scapa Flow for some of the way but getting to the ferry from Thurso would be an issue.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 58,850

    "European values" ?
    You know, like centigrade.
  • eekeek Posts: 29,399
    edited February 14
    Leon said:

    The Indian economy is about to be devastated by AI. It will kill all the outsourced workers - the programmers. Then it will kill their call centres. Then it will kill *anyone* who works on a screen from abroad. Then it will kill anyone who works from home, even domestically. Then it will kill 50% of white collar workers overall

    That’s in the next 1-4 years

    I just want to get my next predictions in, after my success with Ukraine

    Looking at the people I'm forced to deal with at the moment - it won't be a loss ...

    My client has spent 2.5 years on an outsourced IT project that should have been 6 months max and most of the work I'm doing is fixing mistakes they made due to not knowing enough about the software they are developing.

    Hint most products provide multiple options and you don't always use the sledgehammer..
  • WinchyWinchy Posts: 130
    edited February 14
    Leon said:

    The Indian economy is about to be devastated by AI. It will kill all the outsourced workers - the programmers. Then it will kill their call centres. Then it will kill *anyone* who works on a screen from abroad. Then it will kill anyone who works from home, even domestically. Then it will kill 50% of white collar workers overall

    That’s in the next 1-4 years

    I just want to get my next predictions in, after my success with Ukraine

    The question is what form will the opposition to this take.

    That the ongoing and near-future deskilling, dumbing down, capital concentration, and labour market reduction have been given a name - and a two-letter name at that - may turn out to be a weakness.

    Who with any humanity in them, who with a soul, isn't open to the call "Fuck AI to stay alive"?

    One thing is for sure - they're not going to be able to sell this as to do with freedom, the way they've sold smartphones.
  • OmniumOmnium Posts: 11,334

    Not sure it is possible but this is information on ferries to Orkney

    My wife spent the last few war years on Orkney by Scapa as the fishermen and others supplied the ships

    https://www.orkney.com/plan/getting-here
    Badly cooked dinner?
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 58,850

    Me also
    Four Show of Hands fans! (Roots is one of my all time favourite folky songs.)
  • If she's guilty then she is currently correctly incarcerated. It does no harm to re-investigate the evidence. If she is still found guilty she stays there. If she is innocent, then its in all our interests to have justice done.

    I think the great danger about this case is that a lot of people have started taking an interest but without enough evidence. They were not in the court for the trial. They did not hear the witnesses. They are aware of previous failures on legal systems, such as the seemingly similar Dutch case. And so a lot of people are starting to question whether the outcome of the case was right.

    I am always skeptical when statistics and juries meet. In general the great unwashed has little comprehension of statistics and is certainly not able to spot fallacies in the thinking. There was, allegedly, a chart showing that all the babies who died or were harmed happened when Letby was on duty. It has been alleged that other deaths happened when she was not there but were excluded from said chart. Some people suspect that the chart which seems so damning may in fact be an example of the Texas Sharpshooter Fallacy. Others assert that it isn't.

    Its surely only fair (to all concerned) to be robust in this.
    It is not just juries; often judge, prosecution and defence are similarly baffled, along with medical experts as we have seen in this case and famously with Roy Meadow.

    Then there is the whole appeals set up which grinds slow and has rules around new evidence that are clearly unfit for purpose, if that purpose is justice.

    Away from all that is the adequacy of the hospital, its expertise, equipment and procedures as in OKC's Guardian story.

    Whether Letby killed babies or not, and if so how many and how, seems almost an afterthought to the medicolegal car crash.
  • CookieCookie Posts: 14,644

    It's fine, but doesn't quite get into the essence of racing like the other three?
    The essence of racing being - if I am to infer from the Fix - cheating?

    I din't know Show of Hands - I will look them out - but The Fix and Bottle of Smoke are splendid whether you are a racing enthusiast or not.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 54,204
    Winchy said:

    The question is what form will the opposition to this take.

    That the ongoing and near-future deskilling, dumbing down, capital concentration, and labour market reduction have been given a name - and a two-letter name at that - may turn out to be a weakness.

    Who with any humanity in them, who with a soul, isn't open to the call "Fuck AI to stay alive"?
    Anyone campaigning against AI who isn't using AI is giving themselves a handicap, so it's a self-defeating proposition.
  • OmniumOmnium Posts: 11,334
    rcs1000 said:

    You know, like centigrade.
    Celsius. Daft names are important with all the daft. You can't go around bandying sense.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 58,850

    Today, I learned that I can leave my house in Hampshire at 7.30am and arrive in Thurso by 11pm the same day by train. 5 trains to be precise. That's over 500 miles north. At a cost of less than £130.

    That really is quite incredible.

    Next, I want to see if I can fathom a route that gets me to the Orkney Islands (where I have never been, and i want to survey Scapa Flow) inside 24 hours sans car.

    Sure you can, albeit you will need to fly: Hampshire -> London -> Aberdeen/Glasgow -> Orkney.
  • Daveyboy1961Daveyboy1961 Posts: 4,339
    rcs1000 said:

    You know, like centigrade.
    Celsius
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 53,505
    Omnium said:

    Celsius. Daft names are important with all the daft. You can't go around bandying sense.
    Kelvin. Proper units, for proper people.
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 30,227
    On topic, I don't really think the British public will care that much.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 58,850
    rcs1000 said:

    Sure you can, albeit you will need to fly: Hampshire -> London -> Aberdeen/Glasgow -> Orkney.
    Hmmm... you can get the 5pm ferry from Aberdeen, which gets you into Kirkwall at 11pm. And so long as you go in mid-June, it'll be light pretty late. It's tough to get to Aberdeen in time for that ferry, though. You'd need to get to Kings Cross really early.
  • FishingFishing Posts: 5,411
    edited February 14

    A bold prediction. Reform are peaking too soon. They may still rise a bit over the next year or so, but will then stagnate in the run-up to 2029 GE, and will decline during the heat of an election campaign, ending up with a core vote of around 20% or less as their lack of substance is revealed. Why? Lots of reasons. Tice is an idiot. Their policy offer is incoherent and unaffordable. Immigration will have come down. And Farage's end of the pier show will feel a bit old hat.

    That's possible, but I'm not sure that rational policy analysis and statistics matters as much as it used to in today's outrage-fuelled, single-opinion social media echo chambers. And an incoherent and unaffordable policy offer lacking in substance didn't stop Labour winning a huge landslide seven months ago. Also they may be even more annoyed after another four years of stagnant or declining living standards.

    Still, as always, time will tell.
  • Cookie said:

    The essence of racing being - if I am to infer from the Fix - cheating?

    I din't know Show of Hands - I will look them out - but The Fix and Bottle of Smoke are splendid whether you are a racing enthusiast or not.
    I am a great fan of Show of Hands. Seen them a few times over the years.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 44,617
    rcs1000 said:

    Sure you can, albeit you will need to fly: Hampshire -> London -> Aberdeen/Glasgow -> Orkney.
    Southampton - Edin - Orkney (via Wick is certainly sometimes possible).
  • rcs1000 said:

    Hmmm... you can get the 5pm ferry from Aberdeen, which gets you into Kirkwall at 11pm. And so long as you go in mid-June, it'll be light pretty late. It's tough to get to Aberdeen in time for that ferry, though. You'd need to get to Kings Cross really early.
    Don't even try it at the weekend for the next few weeks. The East Coast mainline is closed between Durham and Newcastle for 'works'. I am heading back offshore again Monday so am having to fly up on Sunday rather than take the train.
  • WinchyWinchy Posts: 130

    Anyone campaigning against AI who isn't using AI is giving themselves a handicap, so it's a self-defeating proposition.
    Asymmetric warfare.

    How will the AI side crush those who in their opposition to it don't use AI? What specific weapons will they use?

    CND didn't use nukes. Okay, CND lost, but the reason wasn't its omission to nuke up.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 58,850

    I am a great fan of Show of Hands. Seen them a few times over the years.
    I have not seen them, but really enjoy their music.

    https://youtu.be/wYnz3HgzZ2U?si=3jGPou6eG4MBcvQ7
  • OnlyLivingBoyOnlyLivingBoy Posts: 16,269
    rcs1000 said:

    Hmmm... you can get the 5pm ferry from Aberdeen, which gets you into Kirkwall at 11pm. And so long as you go in mid-June, it'll be light pretty late. It's tough to get to Aberdeen in time for that ferry, though. You'd need to get to Kings Cross really early.
    The sleeper from Euston to Aberdeen would be a good option, although you'd need to spend a few hours in Aberdeen...
  • WinchyWinchy Posts: 130

    Reform voters tend to be low information voters. They don't know much about the detail of how the world works and they don't care - they just want things to be good for them and their own.

    That is so polite. They are racist thickos.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 44,617

    Kelvin. Proper units, for proper people.
    Good Scots name too. Like Joule is so much better than foot-pound. A fine Brummie name.
  • OmniumOmnium Posts: 11,334

    Kelvin. Proper units, for proper people.
    -
    Adopting your quite right and proper system is a thumbs up from me.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 44,347

    A bold prediction. Reform are peaking too soon. They may still rise a bit over the next year or so, but will then stagnate in the run-up to 2029 GE, and will decline during the heat of an election campaign, ending up with a core vote of around 20% or less as their lack of substance is revealed. Why? Lots of reasons. Tice is an idiot. Their policy offer is incoherent and unaffordable. Immigration will have come down. And Farage's end of the pier show will feel a bit old hat.

    I think so. There's just not quite enough racism, bigotry and stupidity in this country to get them over the line. There's enough to do well though.
  • Daveyboy1961Daveyboy1961 Posts: 4,339
    Carnyx said:

    Good Scots name too. Like Joule is so much better than foot-pound. A fine Brummie name.
    Watt?
  • StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 9,365
    rcs1000 said:

    Sure you can, albeit you will need to fly: Hampshire -> London -> Aberdeen/Glasgow -> Orkney.
    Wouldn’t Farnborough > Orkney be easier?

  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 44,617

    Watt?
    Both.
  • Leon said:

    The Indian economy is about to be devastated by AI. It will kill all the outsourced workers - the programmers. Then it will kill their call centres. Then it will kill *anyone* who works on a screen from abroad. Then it will kill anyone who works from home, even domestically. Then it will kill 50% of white collar workers overall

    That’s in the next 1-4 years

    I just want to get my next predictions in, after my success with Ukraine

    Have you tried asking AI to write a travel column based on a YouTube video of the place in question?
  • pigeonpigeon Posts: 5,173
    kinabalu said:

    I think so. There's just not quite enough racism, bigotry and stupidity in this country to get them over the line. There's enough to do well though.
    There's a lot of desperation and a very large number of people who have been doing badly for a long time though, so we shall see. My instinct is that there are enough people out there who loathe Farage, and/or who still feel they might have too much to lose through real disruption of the existing political settlement, to keep Reform penned into the Brexit heartlands. But I never thought the Tories would collapse quite as badly as they did at the last election, so what do I know?
  • CookieCookie Posts: 14,644
    Winchy said:

    That is so polite. They are racist thickos.
    Characterisations like that are why Labour will continue to lose voters to Reform.
    If you tell people they are racist for wanting lower immigration, they will not stop wanting lower immigration; they will just conclude that your definition of 'racist' is so infantile and meaningless that there is no bar to voting for the party you are characterising as 'racist'.

    25% of the electorate are not racist thickos. Rochdale's characterisation is correct.
  • BattlebusBattlebus Posts: 565
    rcs1000 said:

    That means there are at least three Show of Hands fans on here: you, me, and... one other, who I won't out.
    Are they still going? Were regulars round my way before Covid.
  • geoffwgeoffw Posts: 8,941
    Leon said:

    The Indian economy is about to be devastated by AI. It will kill all the outsourced workers - the programmers. Then it will kill their call centres. Then it will kill *anyone* who works on a screen from abroad. Then it will kill anyone who works from home, even domestically. Then it will kill 50% of white collar workers overall

    That’s in the next 1-4 years

    I just want to get my next predictions in, after my success with Ukraine

    They didn't believe Cassandra either ..

  • CookieCookie Posts: 14,644
    rcs1000 said:

    I have not seen them, but really enjoy their music.

    https://youtu.be/wYnz3HgzZ2U?si=3jGPou6eG4MBcvQ7
    That's quite good. Though if I may critique the thrust of the argument they appear to be making in the song - which I broadly agree with - you're not going to enthuse people about English folk with downbeat songs of complaint about people's lack of enthusiasm for English folk.
  • geoffwgeoffw Posts: 8,941

    Kelvin. Proper units, for proper people.
    Range, not units

  • CookieCookie Posts: 14,644
    eek said:

    Not really she took the best job she could find at the place she relocated to.
    Really? There were no jobs for economists in West Yorkshire?
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 75,290

    Good man. I hope there are enough decent Americans like this left to pick up the pieces once Trump has trashed the country.
    Note, a lot of these guys are Republicans.

    DOJ leadership has put all Public Integrity Section lawyers into a room with 1 hour to decide who will dismiss Adams indictment or else all will be fired. Sending them strength to stand by their oath, which is to support the Constitution, not the president’s political agenda…
    https://x.com/BarbMcQuade/status/1890431228085473411
  • CookieCookie Posts: 14,644
    kinabalu said:

    I think so. There's just not quite enough racism, bigotry and stupidity in this country to get them over the line. There's enough to do well though.
    It seems bold to imagine that immigration will have substantially subsided to the 'tens of thousands' or whatever we consider historically normal and absorbable by the end of this parliament. It seems almost impossible to imagine that immigration will 'feel' solved. The numbers may decrease, but visibility of immigration - the boat crossings, the illegal immigrants congregating in Piccadilly Gardens, the endless empty barber shops and vape shops, the steadily increasing proportion of English-as-a-second-language pupils in our schools - aren't going to go away.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 53,505
    Cookie said:

    Really? There were no jobs for economists in West Yorkshire?
    {puts thumbs in waistcoat arm holes}

    They t'were 'ard times, them.....
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 75,290
    Some of the resignations so far.
    https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/5145882-here-are-the-doj-officials-who-resigned-over-order-to-drop-adams-case/
    When the Southern District of New York refused to drop the case, it was reassigned to the DOJ Public Integrity Section (PIN), according to NBC 4 New York.
    Keller chose to resign after learning of the news.
    He spent over a decade serving in the DOJ’s Public Integrity Section in roles spanning from trial attorney and deputy chief to acting chief, according to his staff profile. ..


  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 75,290
    Zelenskyy: Trump told me Putin wants to end the war. I told him Putin is a liar.
    https://www.politico.eu/article/ukraine-war-volodymyr-zelenskyy-donald-trump-putin-liar-peace/
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 54,204
    Winchy said:

    Asymmetric warfare.

    How will the AI side crush those who in their opposition to it don't use AI? What specific weapons will they use?

    CND didn't use nukes. Okay, CND lost, but the reason wasn't its omission to nuke up.
    Maybe that's where they went wrong. If the ladies of Greenham Common had an independent nuclear deterrent, they wouldn't have been so easy to ignore.
  • Cookie said:

    Really? There were no jobs for economists in West Yorkshire?
    I don't know, but quite possibly not enough to just be able to move and step smoothly into a role.

    One of those red flags that the UK is more Londoncentric than is good for us (including Londoners).
  • StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 9,365
    Cookie said:

    That's quite good. Though if I may critique the thrust of the argument they appear to be making in the song - which I broadly agree with - you're not going to enthuse people about English folk with downbeat songs of
    complaint about people's lack of enthusiasm for English folk.
    How about an upbeat song about folk music and politics?

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=LixJECmbfNY&pp=ygUTVGhlIG9uZSBrbiB0YmUgbWVmdA==
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 53,505

    Maybe that's where they went wrong. If the ladies of Greenham Common had an independent nuclear deterrent, they wouldn't have been so easy to ignore.

    ....and one evening in walks Dinsdale with a couple of big lads, one of whom was carrying a tactical nuclear missile. They said I had bought one of their fruit machines and would I pay for it

    2nd Interviewer: How much did they want?

    Vercotti: They wanted three quarters of a million pounds.

    2nd Interviewer: Why didn't you call the police?

    Vercotti: Well I had noticed that the lad with the thermonuclear device was the Chief Constable for the area.
  • StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 9,365
    Nigelb said:

    Note, a lot of these guys are Republicans.

    DOJ leadership has put all Public Integrity Section lawyers into a room with 1 hour to decide who will dismiss Adams indictment or else all will be fired. Sending them strength to stand by their oath, which is to support the Constitution, not the president’s political agenda…
    https://x.com/BarbMcQuade/status/1890431228085473411
    I’m not sure that’s smart? Wouldn’t you do better to challenge them one by one? Putting them together will lead to peer pressure… unless they want to clear them all out and replace them with patsies…

  • I’m not sure that’s smart? Wouldn’t you do better to challenge them one by one? Putting them together will lead to peer pressure… unless they want to clear them all out and replace them with patsies…

    I think you've answered your own question there.
  • StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 9,365

    I think you've answered your own question there.
    Writing things downs clarifies the mind
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 75,290
    Well that went well.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/c24728zpp70t?post=asset:d5412ab7-65cf-4fce-967c-57f510d09bb6#post
    … There is a full-scale war raging a few hundred few miles east of here, on Europe's eastern borders, and everyone wants to know how America is planning to end that war without selling out Ukraine.
    But they didn't hear that from JD Vance when he addressed the Munich Security Conference a little earlier.
    Instead, we got chapter and verse on misinformation, disinformation, right of free speech, and he had a go at pretty much all the US's allies - including Britain.
    It was a very weird speech from a US vice-president; it wasn't what anyone wanted to talk about.
    He made a joke at one point saying, "if American democracy can survive 10 years of Greta Thunberg scolding, you guys can survive a few months of Elon Musk". And then he paused for the applause, to be met with absolute dead silence.
    A US commentator said to me afterwards: "That was all for US domestic consumption"...



    Germany's defence min Boris Pistorius says JD Vance's stunning attack on Europe is "unacceptable". "I had a speech I prepared today. It was supposed to be about security in Europe. But I cannot start in the way I originally intended."
    https://x.com/ChassNews/status/1890428885042418154
  • ChrisChris Posts: 11,838
    edited February 14
    Nigelb said:

    Zelenskyy: Trump told me Putin wants to end the war. I told him Putin is a liar.
    https://www.politico.eu/article/ukraine-war-volodymyr-zelenskyy-donald-trump-putin-liar-peace/

    Trump said "Ah, that makes sense - I felt we had something in common."
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 30,609
    edited February 14

    I can imagine going to a local Labour Party meeting would be a bit like pulling teeth
    I haven't attended one for decades. In Camden in the 1980s it was all (old school- they had been on the Aldermaston march in the fifties and sixties) CND, miners's strikes and pipes and doves of peace. It is probably no worse now. What I would consider even more unpleasant would be a room full of Johnsonian Tories and Faragista Brexiteers.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 33,927
    "Dear Richard Madeley: Should I hide that I’m a member of Reform to win back my grandson?"

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/family/grandparents/dear-richard-madeley-hide-politics-win-back-grandson/
  • ChrisChris Posts: 11,838
    Leon said:

    The Indian economy is about to be devastated by AI. It will kill all the outsourced workers - the programmers. Then it will kill their call centres. Then it will kill *anyone* who works on a screen from abroad. Then it will kill anyone who works from home, even domestically. Then it will kill 50% of white collar workers overall

    That’s in the next 1-4 years

    I just want to get my next predictions in, after my success with Ukraine

    Isn't the word "India" completely redundant here?
  • EPGEPG Posts: 6,729
    Nigelb said:

    Well that went well.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/c24728zpp70t?post=asset:d5412ab7-65cf-4fce-967c-57f510d09bb6#post
    … There is a full-scale war raging a few hundred few miles east of here, on Europe's eastern borders, and everyone wants to know how America is planning to end that war without selling out Ukraine.
    But they didn't hear that from JD Vance when he addressed the Munich Security Conference a little earlier.
    Instead, we got chapter and verse on misinformation, disinformation, right of free speech, and he had a go at pretty much all the US's allies - including Britain.
    It was a very weird speech from a US vice-president; it wasn't what anyone wanted to talk about.
    He made a joke at one point saying, "if American democracy can survive 10 years of Greta Thunberg scolding, you guys can survive a few months of Elon Musk". And then he paused for the applause, to be met with absolute dead silence.
    A US commentator said to me afterwards: "That was all for US domestic consumption"...



    Germany's defence min Boris Pistorius says JD Vance's stunning attack on Europe is "unacceptable". "I had a speech I prepared today. It was supposed to be about security in Europe. But I cannot start in the way I originally intended."
    https://x.com/ChassNews/status/1890428885042418154

    He could have spent that time condemning dictatorships. Instead he condemned the democracies.
  • murali_smurali_s Posts: 3,078

    Were you not one of the people indulging in the wall-to-wall mockery when you were an EU federalist before you hit yourself on the head or whatever caused such an astonishing political volte face, and you became a slobbering MAGA apologist and enthusiastic Brexit loon?
    LOL - love this.

    @williamglenn may be the site’s clown, moron, cretin and idiot. But he just may be a parody.
  • maxhmaxh Posts: 1,546
    Just watched Vance's speech to the Munich security conference today.

    It is well worth a listen, whatever your politics. He makes an excellent challenge to Europe. I believe strongly that we should listen to his arguments, even if he has little credibility as a messenger.

    For those who haven't listened, essentially he argues that Europe's biggest threat to security is our own desire to censor certain voices and not to listen to voters who want to vote for e.g. AfD. His strongest argument is that we cannot win by pretending far right parties are not popular.

    My problem with his speech, though, is the blatant hypocrisy. To have Musk at the centre of your government and to lecture others on free speech is, to put it mildly, shameless.

    My other problem is that he does not make any attempt to address the other side of the argument i.e. that the reason we need to fight against misinformation is that those such as Musk are in the business of spreading it, because it is profitable.

    In my view the only way that we achieve the good parts of what Vance argues for (more robust free speech) is if we ensure that the megaphones that amplify speech in our democracy (media of all sorts) are working for us not against us.

  • CookieCookie Posts: 14,644

    I don't know, but quite possibly not enough to just be able to move and step smoothly into a role.

    One of those red flags that the UK is more Londoncentric than is good for us (including Londoners).
    Seems unlikely the best job open to an competent economist in West Yorks was less good than one in the complaints department, but you never know. The problem you identify is true though. If onky Rachel Reeves were niw able to do something about it? Instead, it appears treasury is reverting to type and focusing all infrastructure on the South East.
  • WinchyWinchy Posts: 130
    Cookie said:

    Characterisations like that are why Labour will continue to lose voters to Reform.
    If you tell people they are racist for wanting lower immigration, they will not stop wanting lower immigration; they will just conclude that your definition of 'racist' is so infantile and meaningless that there is no bar to voting for the party you are characterising as 'racist'.

    25% of the electorate are not racist thickos. Rochdale's characterisation is correct.
    But why do you think they aren't racist thickos?

    The only ways Labour could reasonably conceivably stop losing voters on the immigration issue are by adopting Reform-like policies (which they and the Conservatives probably will) or by turning left and encouraging native and immigrant workers alike to join trade unions (which would mean going further left than Corbyn, which they certainly won't).

    In addition the wages differentials (and often also working hours differentials) in say the building sector or hospitality between native British workers and e.g. Romanian illegals may be too high for "uniting and fighting" to be that attractive to many workers in either group.
  • ChrisChris Posts: 11,838
    maxh said:

    Just watched Vance's speech to the Munich security conference today.

    It is well worth a listen, whatever your politics. He makes an excellent challenge to Europe. I believe strongly that we should listen to his arguments, even if he has little credibility as a messenger.

    For those who haven't listened, essentially he argues that Europe's biggest threat to security is our own desire to censor certain voices and not to listen to voters who want to vote for e.g. AfD. His strongest argument is that we cannot win by pretending far right parties are not popular.

    My problem with his speech, though, is the blatant hypocrisy. To have Musk at the centre of your government and to lecture others on free speech is, to put it mildly, shameless.

    My other problem is that he does not make any attempt to address the other side of the argument i.e. that the reason we need to fight against misinformation is that those such as Musk are in the business of spreading it, because it is profitable.

    In my view the only way that we achieve the good parts of what Vance argues for (more robust free speech) is if we ensure that the megaphones that amplify speech in our democracy (media of all sorts) are working for us not against us.

    "Our desire to censor voices" is just a hard-right fantasy that the likes of Musk use to try to justify an overwhelming stream of online disinformation.

    What fools people are to believe a word of this crap.
  • eekeek Posts: 29,399
    edited February 14

    Wouldn’t Farnborough > Orkney be easier?

    It's a shame you want Orkney as the ferry from Aberdeen leaves at 17:00 just before the 10:00 from Kings Cross arrives.

    Now if you want to get to the Shetlands that ferry leaves at 19:00 and arrives at 7:30 so if you can get to Kings Cross in less than 2.5 hours you can get to Shetland in under 24 hours..

    Edit if you get the 8:30 from KX you get to Aberdeen by 16:00 giving you an hour to get on the ferry.
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