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Well, whenSocrates said:I love that Damian Green's description of a reformed EU has now been watered down to "liberalising cross-border EU trade" and "focusing on agreements such as the TTIP Transatlantic Free Trade deal".
Is this what Tory euroscepticism has been reduced to? Not a single repatriation in sight.
a) You know you aren't going to get any repatriations from Brussels
b) Your party leader can't conceive of leaving the EU and will lead the campaign for IN
You are stuffed. The only alternative left is to water everything down beyond belief and bang the drum as loudly as you can about how it was what you wanted all along.
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My mistake, it was "win big" and they were tweets not textsisam said:
Apparently she sent texts the next morning saying "When I go, I go big" or some other boastSocrates said:@FrankBooth
Except Ched Evans "serious crime" was to sleep with a woman who was apparently too drunk to give consent to him, but was sober enough to give consent to the other footballer she slept with immediately before him.
http://chedevans.com/the-disputed-tweets0 -
Very possible as the alcohol affects you. In control one minute and gone the next. Though both should have been done.Socrates said:@FrankBooth
Except Ched Evans "serious crime" was to sleep with a woman who was apparently too drunk to give consent to him, but was sober enough to give consent to the other footballer she slept with immediately before him.
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If you want to go Georgian (in this case with a hint of Edinburgh) head for the 'Pool...Alistair said:
At £1m+ in Edinburgh you'll find a lot more 4+ bed Georgian town houses that new builds.Indigo said:
Yes, I saw that one, but I thought giving a Grade 'A' listed Georgian townhouse as my example of Edinburgh house prices might be taking the p--- a bit ;-)Alistair said:
With that crappy layout I'd spend either £750,000 less and get one of the double uppers in the Stockbridge colonies next door or squeak out £100,000 more for a proper, much more central, townhouse with an extra bedroom and a decent layoutIndigo said:
Or this 3-bedroom flat in town
http://www.rightmove.co.uk/property-for-sale/property-31848294.html
http://www.espc.com/properties/details.aspx?pid=344201&sid=640939963
EDIT: Lovely area, nice garden, good for the rugby
http://www.espc.com/properties/details.aspx?pid=346340&sid=643889291
http://www.rightmove.co.uk/property-for-sale/property-47459924.html
The road (and many others) featured in Sunday night's episode of Foyle's War.0 -
Afaicr you're reluctant to vote for any of the current UK options, which presumably means you're unconvinced that any of them are 'best' for our collective future. I think we can agree on that.SouthamObserver said:
The UK did not have a centralised economy until pretty recently. It was the decline in heavy industry and manufacturing that led to the change and the development of London's dominance. Where you and I would be in full agreement is that both labour and Tory governments wasted the North Sea oil money. More wisely spent and/or invested much of the economic centralisation that has occurred over the last 40 years could have been avoided. But, as you say, it is spilt milk. There is no point in refighting battles that have been lost. It's what is best for the future that matters. That is where we disagree.0 -
There is a little more to it than that. Damian McBride's books alleges that Ed Miliband was obsessed with maintaining his father's legacy. Winning the leadership was Ed's 'ultimate tribute' to his father - an attempt to 'achieve his father's vision and ensure David Miliband did not traduce it'.Cyclefree said:You're perfectly free to criticise Ed Milliband for wanting to bring back "socialism" but criticising him for the fact that he loves his late father and learnt from him (we all learn from our parents but not, perhaps, in the way they intend!) detracts from the point I think you are trying to make.
If you have a clear indication that the son is trying to maintain the father's legacy and vision, I think its perfectly reasonable to enquire as to exactly what the father's vision was, considering the son aspires to the Prime Minister of the UK.
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Over half a million... in Liverpool 8!! My how times have changed.RodCrosby said:
If you want to go Georgian (in this case with a hint of Edinburgh) head for the 'Pool...Alistair said:
At £1m+ in Edinburgh you'll find a lot more 4+ bed Georgian town houses that new builds.Indigo said:
Yes, I saw that one, but I thought giving a Grade 'A' listed Georgian townhouse as my example of Edinburgh house prices might be taking the p--- a bit ;-)Alistair said:
With that crappy layout I'd spend either £750,000 less and get one of the double uppers in the Stockbridge colonies next door or squeak out £100,000 more for a proper, much more central, townhouse with an extra bedroom and a decent layoutIndigo said:
Or this 3-bedroom flat in town
http://www.rightmove.co.uk/property-for-sale/property-31848294.html
http://www.espc.com/properties/details.aspx?pid=344201&sid=640939963
EDIT: Lovely area, nice garden, good for the rugby
http://www.espc.com/properties/details.aspx?pid=346340&sid=643889291
http://www.rightmove.co.uk/property-for-sale/property-47459924.html
The road (and many others) featured in Sunday night's episode of Foyle's War.0 -
As nauseating as all these attempts to attack Miliband for who is father was are they are probably a net positive for him overall as he did quite well out of it when the press tried it on that time.Indigo said:
There is a little more to it than that. Damian McBride's books alleges that Ed Miliband was obsessed with maintaining his father's legacy. Winning the leadership was Ed's 'ultimate tribute' to his father - an attempt to 'achieve his father's vision and ensure David Miliband did not traduce it'.Cyclefree said:You're perfectly free to criticise Ed Milliband for wanting to bring back "socialism" but criticising him for the fact that he loves his late father and learnt from him (we all learn from our parents but not, perhaps, in the way they intend!) detracts from the point I think you are trying to make.
If you have a clear indication that the son is trying to maintain the father's legacy and vision, I think its perfectly reasonable to enquire as to exactly what the father's vision was, considering the son aspires to the Prime Minister of the UK.
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The person who did this has probably watched the Paddington film:
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You look at what the son says and does.Indigo said:
There is a little more to it than that. Damian McBride's books alleges that Ed Miliband was obsessed with maintaining his father's legacy. Winning the leadership was Ed's 'ultimate tribute' to his father - an attempt to 'achieve his father's vision and ensure David Miliband did not traduce it'.Cyclefree said:You're perfectly free to criticise Ed Milliband for wanting to bring back "socialism" but criticising him for the fact that he loves his late father and learnt from him (we all learn from our parents but not, perhaps, in the way they intend!) detracts from the point I think you are trying to make.
If you have a clear indication that the son is trying to maintain the father's legacy and vision, I think its perfectly reasonable to enquire as to exactly what the father's vision was, considering the son aspires to the Prime Minister of the UK.
There is plenty there for those who want to criticise Ed Milliband.
To be honest, I'm not sure how much reliance I'd place on what Damian McBride alleges about what he thinks Ed Milliband is obsessed by.
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Ched Evans was convicted of rape after being found guilty by a jury. That, surely, cannot be second guessed and rape is a repugnant crime.
However, once you have served your time you have served your time. If you can find someone willing to give you a job once you are out of prison that should be the end of it.0 -
One effect of Labour's anti middle class anti english rhetoric a la Murphy is that it may galvanise the English centre right.
I am starting to think my own opposition to Mr Miliband may have to be more active than simply casting a vote.0 -
Ched Evans was convicted of rape after being found guilty by a jury. That, surely, cannot be second guessed and rape is a repugnant crime.
I simply don't understand why any football club would touch him with a bargepole. If he was a world class player I suppose I could see the temptation.
Risk your reputation for a dime a dozen player? No thanks.0 -
My Great-grandmother lived in one of those houses. Fine buildings.RodCrosby said:
If you want to go Georgian (in this case with a hint of Edinburgh) head for the 'Pool...Alistair said:
At £1m+ in Edinburgh you'll find a lot more 4+ bed Georgian town houses that new builds.Indigo said:
Yes, I saw that one, but I thought giving a Grade 'A' listed Georgian townhouse as my example of Edinburgh house prices might be taking the p--- a bit ;-)Alistair said:
With that crappy layout I'd spend either £750,000 less and get one of the double uppers in the Stockbridge colonies next door or squeak out £100,000 more for a proper, much more central, townhouse with an extra bedroom and a decent layoutIndigo said:
Or this 3-bedroom flat in town
http://www.rightmove.co.uk/property-for-sale/property-31848294.html
http://www.espc.com/properties/details.aspx?pid=344201&sid=640939963
EDIT: Lovely area, nice garden, good for the rugby
http://www.espc.com/properties/details.aspx?pid=346340&sid=643889291
http://www.rightmove.co.uk/property-for-sale/property-47459924.html
The road (and many others) featured in Sunday night's episode of Foyle's War.0 -
That's a gross simplification anyway, the woman met the first footballer in the street, he invited her back to his hotel room, she agreed, and they travelled to the hotel together in a taxi. It seems unlikely she thought she was being invited back to his room to watch the TV.malcolmg said:
Very possible as the alcohol affects you. In control one minute and gone the next. Though both should have been done.Socrates said:@FrankBooth
Except Ched Evans "serious crime" was to sleep with a woman who was apparently too drunk to give consent to him, but was sober enough to give consent to the other footballer she slept with immediately before him.
The second footballer obtained a card to the room from the doorman, asked the first footballer if he could join in, possibly asked the women although that is disputed, and got "down to business".
The jury appears to have decided that way in which she had encountered the different footballers mattered, and that the first encounter and agreement to take a taxi to his room was an indication of consent, whereas the later encounter wasn't.
I am not saying I would have reached the same conclusion, but if you read the judgement its clear to see how the jury could have reach the conclusion they did, especially as they will have seen the detailed evidence and experienced the defendants manner, and we haven't.
https://www.crimeline.info/case/r-v-ched-evans-chedwyn-evans0 -
I have to agree - the fact that so many 'liberals' have abandoned this under pressure from outraged women's groups is deeply depressing. It's almost as if they view his crime as worse than murder.SouthamObserver said:Ched Evans was convicted of rape after being found guilty by a jury. That, surely, cannot be second guessed and rape is a repugnant crime.
However, once you have served your time you have served your time. If you can find someone willing to give you a job once you are out of prison that should be the end of it.0 -
''If you can find someone willing to give you a job once you are out of prison that should be the end of it.''
Evans doesn;t just want a job. He wants the job of his choosing. He doesn't want to go shelf stacking.
I wonder how many other ex-cons get that.
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Why can it not be second guessed? Plenty of people second guessed OJ Simpson's trial verdict.SouthamObserver said:Ched Evans was convicted of rape after being found guilty by a jury. That, surely, cannot be second guessed and rape is a repugnant crime.
Besides, even if you do accept the jury's view, it was a matter of him sleeping with a woman who was extremely drunk. That's not exactly the equivalent of violently forcing himself on her.0 -
What a lot of tosh. His profession is what it is, would you say the same about someone that worked in finance or IT ? Should every ex-con have to give up their chosen profession and take up manual labour. His sentence is his time in jail. The destruction of his career was not a sentence passed by any court of law.taffys said:''If you can find someone willing to give you a job once you are out of prison that should be the end of it.''
Evans doesn;t just what a job. He wants the job of his choosing. He doesn't want to go shelf stacking.
I wonder how many other ex-cons get that.0 -
And Oscar's. Guilty as sin, the pair.Socrates said:
Why can it not be second guessed? Plenty of people second guessed OJ Simpson's trial verdict.SouthamObserver said:Ched Evans was convicted of rape after being found guilty by a jury. That, surely, cannot be second guessed and rape is a repugnant crime.
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BBC kicking off Labour's election campaign with NHS A&E crisis.
Conservatives should have cleaned house with the Beeb, only themselves to blame.0 -
Personally I think it's commentators overcompensating for their utter failure to address the far deeper cultural sickness that leads to these occurences. I find it similar to those who advocate gun control in the US, but ignore the fetishisation of guns and violence that pervades the modern media.felix said:
I have to agree - the fact that so many 'liberals' have abandoned this under pressure from outraged women's groups is deeply depressing. It's almost as if they view his crime as worse than murder.SouthamObserver said:Ched Evans was convicted of rape after being found guilty by a jury. That, surely, cannot be second guessed and rape is a repugnant crime.
However, once you have served your time you have served your time. If you can find someone willing to give you a job once you are out of prison that should be the end of it.0 -
I think it can be second guessed by armchair pundits. Until that idiot Blair it couldn't be second guessed in a court of law.Socrates said:
Why can it not be second guessed? Plenty of people second guessed OJ Simpson's trial verdict.SouthamObserver said:Ched Evans was convicted of rape after being found guilty by a jury. That, surely, cannot be second guessed and rape is a repugnant crime.
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Ed could always apologise for the millions killed by the Bolsheviks, a little mea culpa, rather than lauding his evil family.0
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I don't automatically believe he thinks the same things as his father. But he clearly holds his father as his political idol, and it's thus reasonable to question the political views of his political idol. Biology has no part in it. Congressman Paul Ryan, for example, has stated that Ayn Rand was the reason he went into politics. It's thus reasonable to ask Paul Ryan about some of Ayn Rand's more toxic views. If he prefers to be silent on those views rather than renounce them, that says something about Paul Ryan. The same applies to Ed and Ralph Miliband.Cyclefree said:
Socrates: surely the point is that you criticise the son for adopting the father's views not assume that because a son was brought up by his father he automatically believes exactly the same things as his father?Socrates said:
If your father was a fascist, and you said your political career was the "ultimate tribute" to him, and it came out he had made, say, bigoted comments about black people, you don't think you have a responsibility to criticise such comments?NickPalmer said:
Give over! My father was an active street-canvassing Tory and then later a Liberal. I've no intention of criticising him for either thing - he was a private individual, he's dead, he had a right to his opinions, and they were none of my business to comment on. I'd feel the same if he'd been a fascist or a Trotskyist, or if Cameron's father was.Socrates said:
Miliband hasn't even been willing to criticise his father's comments. It's because he shares the same contempt for the English people.
If that had been the case, and you then supported various policies that gave additional rights to white people, and Asian people, but not black people, I think it would be perfectly legitimate to start connecting your father's views to your policies.
You're perfectly free to criticise Ed Milliband for wanting to bring back "socialism" but criticising him for the fact that he loves his late father and learnt from him (we all learn from our parents but not, perhaps, in the way they intend!) detracts from the point I think you are trying to make.0 -
@JoeMurphyLondon: Labour at war over mansion tax ‘bribe’ for Scots. Mayoral hopefuls aghast at Jim Murphy boast that London will pay http://t.co/TfzKkx7CE5
@JoeMurphyLondon: Diane Abbott "surprised"; Dame Tessa warns of "cash cow"; Lammy says money "siphoned" from London. Oh dear, Jim! http://t.co/TfzKkx7CE50 -
Never knew so many Labour mayoral candidates were PB Tories
Labour was plunged into civil war over the Mansion Tax today after the party’s new Scottish leader boasted that Londoners will pay for 1,000 new nurses for Scotland.
Labour candidates for London Mayor reacted with horror to Jim Murphy’s comments. Diane Abbott called them “surprising” while Dame Tessa Jowell warned against treating London as “a cash cow”. David Lammy said it showed money would be “siphoned off” from the capital by a Mansion Tax on £2 million-plus homes.
Boris Johnson waded in by calling it a “bribe” to Scots voters at London’s expense, while Tory chairman Grant Shapps accused Mr Murphy of adopting the southern-bashing rhetoric of the Scottish National Party.
http://www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/labour-at-war-over-mansion-tax-bribe-for-scots-9960506.html0 -
I remember once hearing a criminal defence solicitor expressing pride that she would never defend a man accused of rape - something I would consider to be extremely unethical.felix said:
I have to agree - the fact that so many 'liberals' have abandoned this under pressure from outraged women's groups is deeply depressing. It's almost as if they view his crime as worse than murder.SouthamObserver said:Ched Evans was convicted of rape after being found guilty by a jury. That, surely, cannot be second guessed and rape is a repugnant crime.
However, once you have served your time you have served your time. If you can find someone willing to give you a job once you are out of prison that should be the end of it.
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If an A&E time of 93% is a "crisis" in NHS England, what is an A&E time of 86% for NHS Wales?
Catastrophic? Disastrous? Life-threatening?0 -
I sat on the jury for a industrial theft case a few years ago. The accused there was a guilty as sin as well. All the jurors agree he was guilty, his manner dripped with smug complacency and having got one over on everyone. However the Juror's Oath we took goes as follows:Pulpstar said:
And Oscar's. Guilty as sin, the pair.Socrates said:
Why can it not be second guessed? Plenty of people second guessed OJ Simpson's trial verdict.SouthamObserver said:Ched Evans was convicted of rape after being found guilty by a jury. That, surely, cannot be second guessed and rape is a repugnant crime.
"I swear by almighty God that I will faithfully try the defendant and give a true verdict according to the evidence."
and the CPS singularly failed to produce any convincing evidence that proved his guilt, so we acquitted.
As Tom Cruise's as the defense attorney in A Few Good Men exclaimed "It doesn't matter what I know, it only matters what I can prove."0 -
Completely agree on both points. I am constantly flummoxed by the Labour mob thinking the BBC is against them.FalseFlag said:BBC kicking off Labour's election campaign with NHS A&E crisis.
Conservatives should have cleaned house with the Beeb, only themselves to blame.
Today if the BBC was balanced & took its lead from the press, they'd have a big debate about labour's Homes tax and the need for EVEL.
No today's about the "NHS crisis" or in the real world, fixed capacity operation runs out of capacity in a few locations in the middle of winter peak usage period.
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Labour's anti-English bigotry is coming home to roost.Scott_P said:@JoeMurphyLondon: Labour at war over mansion tax ‘bribe’ for Scots. Mayoral hopefuls aghast at Jim Murphy boast that London will pay http://t.co/TfzKkx7CE5
@JoeMurphyLondon: Diane Abbott "surprised"; Dame Tessa warns of "cash cow"; Lammy says money "siphoned" from London. Oh dear, Jim! http://t.co/TfzKkx7CE50 -
Wouldnt this complaint have more resonance if (1) the A&E waiting times werent big news and (2) it wasnt also the top story on Sky News?saddo said:
Completely agree on both points. I am constantly flummoxed by the Labour mob thinking the BBC is against them.FalseFlag said:BBC kicking off Labour's election campaign with NHS A&E crisis.
Conservatives should have cleaned house with the Beeb, only themselves to blame.
Today if the BBC was balanced & took its lead from the press, they'd have a big debate about labour's Homes tax and the need for EVEL.
No today's about the "NHS crisis" or in the real world, fixed capacity operation runs out of capacity in a few locations in the middle of winter peak usage period.
You seem to be complaining that the BBC isnt reporting yesterday's news.
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True.FalseFlag said:BBC kicking off Labour's election campaign with NHS A&E crisis.
Conservatives should have cleaned house with the Beeb, only themselves to blame.
So little focus on Labour run NHS Wales. Small mentions in passing.
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Clear BBC bias - that's why there is wall-to-wall coverage on Sky News too I guess.FalseFlag said:BBC kicking off Labour's election campaign with NHS A&E crisis.
Conservatives should have cleaned house with the Beeb, only themselves to blame.0 -
Its worth it to debate the EU, but its best to use facts. You are looking at figures for 2006.Pulpstar said:
Had to fact check that one and bloody hell, he's right !Socrates said:a budget that is 50% agricultural subsidies
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Budget_of_the_European_Union
Look at how well tiny Luxembourg does out of the EU too ! And still they beggar our neighbour with low corp tax rates...
Flat corporation tax rate across the EU would be a sensible move, you could lower it from the British one to a flat rate of 19% or so and both British companies and the British Gov't would win.
For 2012 - The CAP is about 41%, down from 73%.
http://ec.europa.eu/agriculture/cap-post-2013/graphs/graph1_en.pdf
The various 'mountains' and 'lakes' have disappeared and more money is spent on land management. The imbalances of the CAP are behind our rebate.
The big problem the EU has is the big differences in the newer countries economies. It would be in our interest to move money to regional development from the CAP.0 -
and the CPS singularly failed to produce any convincing evidence that proved his guilt, so we acquitted.Indigo said:
I sat on the jury for a industrial theft case a few years ago. The accused there was a guilty as sin as well. All the jurors agree he was guilty, his manner dripped with smug complacency and having got one over on everyone. However the Juror's Oath we took goes as follows:Pulpstar said:
And Oscar's. Guilty as sin, the pair.Socrates said:
Why can it not be second guessed? Plenty of people second guessed OJ Simpson's trial verdict.SouthamObserver said:Ched Evans was convicted of rape after being found guilty by a jury. That, surely, cannot be second guessed and rape is a repugnant crime.
"I swear by almighty God that I will faithfully try the defendant and give a true verdict according to the evidence."
As Tom Cruise's as the defense attorney in A Few Good Men exclaimed "It doesn't matter what I know, it only matters what I can prove."
I followed the Pistorius trial very closely as it was all televised. I'd have found him guilty of murder if I was on a jury !
(I think that trial showed why having a jury system is preferable to having a judge decide that may well take an over-technical viewpoint of the law).0 -
With you on the first, but how can one not be 'obsessed' by an organisation that holds legal supremacy over Westminster? There are two ways:TheScreamingEagles said:Huzzah.
I might not have to set up the Dry but not obsessed by the gays and Europe Tory Party after all
@jameskirkup: . @damiangreenmp says Conservatives MPs are quietly rejecting the 'Ukip tendency' and want to stay in Europe: http://t.co/gNAWdmxtVH
1. Be genuinely ignorant (like the majority of the population)
2. Be deliberately evasive in order that the process of European integration can take place with the minimum of democratic fuss.
Neither of those apeals to me, hence I'm UKIP.
That said, I can well believe the high tide of defection fever is over for now.
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The big news about A&E is that many reporting to A&E are not emergencies.Neil said:
Wouldnt this complaint have more resonance if (1) the A&E waiting times werent big news and (2) it wasnt also the top story on Sky News?saddo said:
Completely agree on both points. I am constantly flummoxed by the Labour mob thinking the BBC is against them.FalseFlag said:BBC kicking off Labour's election campaign with NHS A&E crisis.
Conservatives should have cleaned house with the Beeb, only themselves to blame.
Today if the BBC was balanced & took its lead from the press, they'd have a big debate about labour's Homes tax and the need for EVEL.
No today's about the "NHS crisis" or in the real world, fixed capacity operation runs out of capacity in a few locations in the middle of winter peak usage period.
You seem to be complaining that the BBC isnt reporting yesterday's news.0 -
@paulwaugh: This is interesting. @HackneyAbbott tells #Wato Jim Murphy plan wd 'expropriate' cash from Londoners who bought homes yrs ago
Another day on "Labour's terrain..."
@jameskirkup: . @HackneyAbbott is on #wato attacking @jimmurphymp for planning a tax raid on people in £2m houses. Labour politics is upside down.0 -
And @HackneyAbbott says Murphy 'jumping the gun' and 'not helping' by announcing plan without consulting EdM
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This is interesting. @HackneyAbbott tells #Wato Jim Murphy plan wd 'expropriate' cash from Londoners who bought homes yrs ago.
Nothing like pouring petrol onto the fire. So much for One Nation Labour.0 -
Labour's anti-English bigotry is coming home to roost.
Not in the polls, it isn't.
According to some on here Ed Miliband has cut his own throat about fifteen times now. He is still around.
He is galvanising the opposition to him though. That I will grant you.0 -
Everyone's an amateur news editor.Flightpath said:
The big news about A&E is that many reporting to A&E are not emergencies.Neil said:
Wouldnt this complaint have more resonance if (1) the A&E waiting times werent big news and (2) it wasnt also the top story on Sky News?saddo said:
Completely agree on both points. I am constantly flummoxed by the Labour mob thinking the BBC is against them.FalseFlag said:BBC kicking off Labour's election campaign with NHS A&E crisis.
Conservatives should have cleaned house with the Beeb, only themselves to blame.
Today if the BBC was balanced & took its lead from the press, they'd have a big debate about labour's Homes tax and the need for EVEL.
No today's about the "NHS crisis" or in the real world, fixed capacity operation runs out of capacity in a few locations in the middle of winter peak usage period.
You seem to be complaining that the BBC isnt reporting yesterday's news.
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Come into the 21st centurySocrates said:
Why can it not be second guessed? Plenty of people second guessed OJ Simpson's trial verdict.SouthamObserver said:Ched Evans was convicted of rape after being found guilty by a jury. That, surely, cannot be second guessed and rape is a repugnant crime.
Besides, even if you do accept the jury's view, it was a matter of him sleeping with a woman who was extremely drunk. That's not exactly the equivalent of violently forcing himself on her.0 -
@gabyhinsliff: 'I don't have to consult Diane Abbott' says a defiant @jimmurphymp in defence of his mansion-tax-to-Scottish-nurses policy #wato
@paulwaugh: Jim Murphy on @HackneyAbbott "It's hard to take this argument seriously when... she can't even remember my name" #wato
@politicshome: Scottish Labour leader Jim Murphy responds to mansion tax criticism from Diane Abbott: "I am leader of the Scottish Labour party, not Diane"0 -
@gabyhinsliff: More pertinently, Murphy adds that 'I don't have to clear things with Ed Miliband'. This election might be interesting after all #wato
@paulwaugh: Murphy: "I don't have to consult Diane Abbott.." or Miliband on health policy. But does he hv to consult London on mansion tax?
@IanDunt: This Jim Murphy interview is the first compelling political moment of the year0 -
Paul Waugh @paulwaugh 51s51 seconds ago
Murphy: "I don't have to consult Diane Abbott.." or Miliband on health policy. But does he hv to consult London on mansion tax?0 -
So people who don't agree with you are ignorant?Luckyguy1983 said:
With you on the first, but how can one not be 'obsessed' by an organisation that holds legal supremacy over Westminster? There are two ways:TheScreamingEagles said:Huzzah.
I might not have to set up the Dry but not obsessed by the gays and Europe Tory Party after all
@jameskirkup: . @damiangreenmp says Conservatives MPs are quietly rejecting the 'Ukip tendency' and want to stay in Europe: http://t.co/gNAWdmxtVH
1. Be genuinely ignorant (like the majority of the population)
2. Be deliberately evasive in order that the process of European integration can take place with the minimum of democratic fuss.
Neither of those apeals to me, hence I'm UKIP.
That said, I can well believe the high tide of defection fever is over for now.
I thought it was only LibLabCon that looked down on the voters?0 -
Ha Ha good for Jim, telling the little London pipsqueak to shut it. Another labourtory squacking at thought of being removed from the trough.Scott_P said:@gabyhinsliff: 'I don't have to consult Diane Abbott' says a defiant @jimmurphymp in defence of his mansion-tax-to-Scottish-nurses policy #wato
@paulwaugh: Jim Murphy on @HackneyAbbott "It's hard to take this argument seriously when... she can't even remember my name" #wato
@politicshome: Scottish Labour leader Jim Murphy responds to mansion tax criticism from Diane Abbott: "I am leader of the Scottish Labour party, not Diane"0 -
...and that'll last 2 seconds.Indigo said:
Actually it is on current value, that one of the things that is so damn stupid about the proposal. Every year the owner is meant to make their own assessment of the value, and enter it onto their tax return where buy the tax due will be assessed. If HMRC does not believe them it can challenge the value, and fine you heavily if you were wrong. The only allowable defense would be to be acting on professional advice, ie. having engaged a qualified surveyor (rather than just an estate agent) to value your property and give you a written report. So lots of people with properties a little over £1m in areas like London are going to have to get valuations every year "just in case" - daft.
The state just declares the value will be based on what they say it was at some random time, and you'll have to prove they are wrong; they won't have to prove they're right.
The arguments will be that it's daft to get valuations every year, and that the principle of a tax based on claimed value in the past already exists, and is called council tax.
The beauty of it is that they then just go round pointing at houses and declaring them to be £2 million houses for envy tax purposes, which will enable a mendacious claim that the threshold has not been reduced.
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This chap made me proud to be British on so many levels
Bernard Jordan who absconded from care home for D-Day commemorations dies at 90
War veteran dubbed the Great Escaper after his cross-Channel adventure to attend 70th anniversary commemorations in Normandy dies peacefully aged 90
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dr_spyn said:
Paul Waugh @paulwaugh 51s51 seconds ago
Murphy: "I don't have to consult Diane Abbott.." or Miliband on health policy. But does he hv to consult London on mansion tax?
It's fascinating the attitude that Murphy has to adopt to beat the SNP and try and win.
Do the Scots hate us English that much?
Perhaps a Yes result would have been better for the IndyRef.
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Murphy: "I don't have to consult Diane Abbott.." or Miliband on health policy.
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@BBCNormanS: Scot Labour leader @jimmurphy putting some clear tartan between himself and Ed M - I don't have to clear devolved issues with him #wato
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I can't see it working even in its own terms. He won't be able to out-whinge Nicola.MarkHopkins said:It's fascinating the attitude that Murphy has to adopt to beat the SNP and try and win.
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Bit of ambiguity in this poster retweet.MarkHopkins said:dr_spyn said:Paul Waugh @paulwaugh 51s51 seconds ago
Murphy: "I don't have to consult Diane Abbott.." or Miliband on health policy. But does he hv to consult London on mansion tax?
It's fascinating the attitude that Murphy has to adopt to beat the SNP and try and win.
Do the Scots hate us English that much?
Perhaps a Yes result would have been better for the IndyRef.
https://twitter.com/jimmurphymp/status/551834747610341376/photo/1
Bigger threat for Labour more than 1 Tory or 6 SNP MPs at Westminster?
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It's turning a bit Apocalypse NowRichard_Nabavi said:Murphy: "I don't have to consult Diane Abbott.." or Miliband on health policy.
I'm confused - I thought he was supposed to be launching his Westminster campaign, not his Holyrood campaign.
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LOL! How 'on-guard' do you have to be to accept a cheque?Scott_P said:@politicshome: Jim Murphy says SNP "caught off guard" and "can't handle" plans to boost Scottish NHS with mansion tax #wato
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Well indeed, but I think the point he was trying to make was that a Labour government could increase the block grant. A Tory government probably won't and the SNP can't in either case.Richard_Nabavi said:LOL! How 'on-guard' do you have to be to accept a cheque?
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Ed Balls remains silent. One assumes he'd be the one holding the purse strings.Richard_Nabavi said:
LOL! How 'on-guard' do you have to be to accept a cheque?Scott_P said:@politicshome: Jim Murphy says SNP "caught off guard" and "can't handle" plans to boost Scottish NHS with mansion tax #wato
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Clear that there is no coherent plan at the top of Labour UK, on how to beat the SNP. NickPalmer said words to the effect that I was dreaming when I advocated Labour shifting most of their resouces into the one priority of saving Scotland from the SNP. Fighting on several fronts is a dangerous strategy - and usually ends in failure.0
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@PeteWishart: Hold the Front Page. Murphy to now pledge '1,000 more teachers than the SNP' to be paid for by a new tax on Morris Dancers.0
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No, they haven't.Flightpath said:
Its worth it to debate the EU, but its best to use facts. You are looking at figures for 2006.Pulpstar said:
Had to fact check that one and bloody hell, he's right !Socrates said:a budget that is 50% agricultural subsidies
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Budget_of_the_European_Union
Look at how well tiny Luxembourg does out of the EU too ! And still they beggar our neighbour with low corp tax rates...
Flat corporation tax rate across the EU would be a sensible move, you could lower it from the British one to a flat rate of 19% or so and both British companies and the British Gov't would win.
For 2012 - The CAP is about 41%, down from 73%.
http://ec.europa.eu/agriculture/cap-post-2013/graphs/graph1_en.pdf
The various 'mountains' and 'lakes' have disappeared and more money is spent on land management. The imbalances of the CAP are behind our rebate.
The big problem the EU has is the big differences in the newer countries economies. It would be in our interest to move money to regional development from the CAP.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/eu/4316726/EU-butter-mountain-to-return.html
The European Union's notorious butter mountains and milk lakes are to return after a controversial decision to reintroduce dairy subsidies.
It's worth pointing out that the reduction in agricultural subsidies hasn't actually happened in absolute terms. It's just fallen as a share of budget as they pour taxpayer money into other EU policies.0 -
This is, of course, the primary reason A&E gets swamped. It's not with crash victims but those with a sore throat who can't get a GP visit when they want one. It's people electing to use A&E as a walk-in service for anything (which is clearly precisely what most want from the NHS) and expect the public health service to respond in the way other service industries do - with service.Flightpath said:
The big news about A&E is that many reporting to A&E are not emergencies.Neil said:
Wouldnt this complaint have more resonance if (1) the A&E waiting times werent big news and (2) it wasnt also the top story on Sky News?saddo said:
Completely agree on both points. I am constantly flummoxed by the Labour mob thinking the BBC is against them.FalseFlag said:BBC kicking off Labour's election campaign with NHS A&E crisis.
Conservatives should have cleaned house with the Beeb, only themselves to blame.
Today if the BBC was balanced & took its lead from the press, they'd have a big debate about labour's Homes tax and the need for EVEL.
No today's about the "NHS crisis" or in the real world, fixed capacity operation runs out of capacity in a few locations in the middle of winter peak usage period.
You seem to be complaining that the BBC isnt reporting yesterday's news.
This is NOT a sign of failure in A&E. It IS a sign of failure of public services to become consumer rather than producer interest driven.0 -
Murphy has studiously avoided mentioning the related contingency of getting Cameron out would be getting the-even-less-popular-in-Scotland Miliband in.dr_spyn said:
Bit of ambiguity in this poster retweet.MarkHopkins said:dr_spyn said:Paul Waugh @paulwaugh 51s51 seconds ago
Murphy: "I don't have to consult Diane Abbott.." or Miliband on health policy. But does he hv to consult London on mansion tax?
It's fascinating the attitude that Murphy has to adopt to beat the SNP and try and win.
Do the Scots hate us English that much?
Perhaps a Yes result would have been better for the IndyRef.
https://twitter.com/jimmurphymp/status/551834747610341376/photo/1
Bigger threat for Labour more than 1 Tory or 6 SNP MPs at Westminster?0 -
That's at odds with the words from his deputy. Its all a bit of a mess. Did Jim not invest any time in getting a plan written up for his top team? Clearly communicating with Miliband is an unrealistic task.Scott_P said:@BBCNormanS: I don't want or expect a deal with @theSNP after election - @jimmurphymp #wato
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Well this is fun. Murphy elected to sort out the Nats. He seems to have upset the unionists.
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Is the next area of "political fun" within Labour going to be Trident because of the influence of the scottish election battle? Now if only Labour had re-directed its resources.....0
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Is it a devolved issue? It would be for the UK Labour leader, as PM, to implement such a policy in order to fund extra Scottish NHS spending, through Barnett or otherwise. Murphy could help contribute Scottish Labour MPs towards a UK majority, but he can't implement the policy himself. What he might be able to do is jack up tax in Scotland using its new powers (e.g. Income tax variation and stamp duty) to help pay for it, if he won at Holyrood, but he isn't proposing that.Scott_P said:@BBCNormanS: Scot Labour leader @jimmurphy putting some clear tartan between himself and Ed M - I don't have to clear devolved issues with him #wato
@politicshome: Jim Murphy says SNP "caught off guard" and "can't handle" plans to boost Scottish NHS with mansion tax #wato
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That's a pretty desperate attempt to ride the latent anti-Tory sentiment in Scotland for votes, off the back of making a false link with the SNP.dr_spyn said:
Bit of ambiguity in this poster retweet.MarkHopkins said:dr_spyn said:Paul Waugh @paulwaugh 51s51 seconds ago
Murphy: "I don't have to consult Diane Abbott.." or Miliband on health policy. But does he hv to consult London on mansion tax?
It's fascinating the attitude that Murphy has to adopt to beat the SNP and try and win.
Do the Scots hate us English that much?
Perhaps a Yes result would have been better for the IndyRef.
https://twitter.com/jimmurphymp/status/551834747610341376/photo/1
Bigger threat for Labour more than 1 Tory or 6 SNP MPs at Westminster?
Unfortunately, it fails the credibility test as the SNP have ruled out working with the Tories, but have outlined how they might do so with Labour.
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Eh_ehm_a_eh said:
Well this is fun. Murphy elected to sort out the Nats. He seems to have upset the unionists.
It's a funny old game saint.0
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