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but not the unions choice 1st? Is this a first?
Fire up the printing presses baby.
http://labourlist.org/2014/12/murphy-wins-scottish-leadership-contest/
MPs/MSPs/MEPs section – Murphy 22.36%, Findlay 6.75%, Boyack 4.22%
Labour members section – Murphy 20.14%, Findlay 10.89%, Boyack 2.3%
Affiliates section – Murphy 13.26%, Findlay 17.34%, Boyack 2.73%
Kevin Maguire @Kevin_Maguire
Fighting acceptance speech showed why SNP didn't want @jimmurphymp to be Labour's leader in Scotland
News for you Kevin .......neither did the Unions either who both bankroll you and control your policies.
I see trouble ahead lets play the music etc
Politicians: +15.6
Members: +9.25
Union: -4.08
Two clear wins and one pretty close loss......
We studied this experiment at University many years ago, its fascinating. People put into groups even on a meaningless basis act to promote the interest of their group, and most specifically act to create the widest possible difference between their group and the other group, even if the result for their group is less than optimal as a result.
The anti ukip at any cost behaviour is evidence that groups of all kinds, even those that think themselves hard wired to fairness, like a scapegoat to blame everything on
And there's been a 20 point swing to the SNP since then.
It's like watching the Tories floundering around in 1996.
Labour may still do badly next May in Scotland, but I expect that the chances of obliteration have receded significantly with this result.
With the help of the BBC (Catriona Renton, the report on the BBC news channel from the event is a former Labour councillor, epitomising the institutional unionism of BBC Scotland) and the MSM, it will probably be enough to prevent an utter disaster for Labour at the GE 2015.
However, as his Blairite/right wing credentials (by Labour in Scotland terms) become better known by the electorate, another heavy defeat for Holyrood 2016 will follow thereafter.
No won.
Beats the coronation for PM , Gordon Brown
First Minister Nicola Surgeon.
Leader of the Opposition Michael Howard and many other examples.
It should be mandatory in all political parties to have a contested vote.
Did you understand that? I don't blame immigrants for anything
I used that phrase precisely because it is what people stereotype ukip as thinking, whilst exhibiting exactly that behaviour and thought processes themselves
'Scottish Labour faces ‘death’ if Murphy wins, union head says
The head of Labour’s biggest donor, Unite the Union, has warned that if Jim Murphy becomes leader of the party in Scotland it could prove “a sentence of political death”.
Len McCluskey, general secretary of the union, told the Financial Times that electing an “unashamedly” Blairite politician to run Scottish Labour would mean “no future” for the party north of the border. It was vital to have a member of the Scottish Parliament leading the group, he argued, such as his favoured candidate Neil Findlay.'
http://tinyurl.com/m5dfh7n
All sorts of things are said before elections. The Labour movement is desperate to return to power and UNITE will follow in line.
UKIP's scapegoat is the EU, just as the Scot Nats is 'Westminster' - both scapegoat an 'other' and pretend everything would be so much better if only we could leave.....
It did .
You would think the opposite that 55% voted yes.
I supported a yes vote for scotland, in the main because it will become a neverendum campaign.
Jim Murphy came across to me as a tough campaigner.
Dan Hodges @DPJHodges 10 mins10 minutes ago Greenwich, London
Given Jim Murphy appointment, can't see how unions continue to back Labour in Scotland. May hold the line in 2015, but not 2016.
Note about 20-22. If this turns out to be correct, SNP gains 15 seats. 7 or 8 will be coming from the Liberal Democrats. Labour thus loses 8 or 9, if the Tories gain 1 or even 2.
That means Labour wins 32-34 seats. The 20-22 spread, I fear, is too optimistic for Labour !
O Jimmy, Jimmy ! jimmy, Jimmy, Jimmy........ Jimmy Murphy !!!
"top figures in the party are forecasting they will have 35-40 MPs "
" The estimate is based on secret opinion polling seen by leading figures in Nick Clegg's party and obtained by Sky News.
But they are predicting they will hold 28 seats, half their current 56. Another 10 are regarded as marginal, five more are less winnable, and senior Lib Dems expect to gain two seats from the Conservatives."
"The two seats party chiefs predict they will win are Watford and Winchester"
https://uk.news.yahoo.com/lib-dems-fear-losing-11-seats-election-230646430.html
http://labourlist.org/2014/12/together-lets-build-the-fairest-nation-on-earth-jim-murphys-victory-speech/
Ed is not going to enjoy the comparisons over the coming months.....
The anti-Ukip brigade like to make out Ukip and their voters are all about the second side of it. They like to make out that what's really driving the Ukip vote is an inherent dislike of foreigners and people "not like us". Now I suspect that is true for some of the support. But I think the economic side of it is far more important.
What angers me is that on the one hand the left are very much pro-immigration and label anyone who questions it as racist. Yet, at the very same time, they complain about low wages and the cost of living.
I'm sorry, but why should I care about an immigrant getting paid a very low wage? It's there choice to come here, and by doing so they are helping to suppress wages and increase demand for housing and other services.
Do you ever criticize the SNP ?
For sure Ukip as a party makes it out to be a bigger issue than I think it is (and I happen to get much more angry about devolution!), but then that's true of all parties.
Labour argue that they'd be much better in power than the Tories. The Tories argue that we must not let Labour back in. But the reality is that it probably won't matter who's in power.
The situation in Scotland, on the other hand, is potentially much more important.
His side won......
Yours, lost.......
http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/scottish-labour-mp-jim-murphy-2867079
The desperation of Nationalists to run down Jim Murphy is heartening......
Yes, possibly.
PS , yes the changing of the drink drive laws is pathetic , as is stopping buy 3 for 2 and other such interfering nanny state stuff they come up with. They are arseholes like the rest but are far superior to the crooks in Westminster, I am no SNP fan boy.
Derec Thompson @DerecThompson 19m19 minutes ago
This wins tweet of the day, hands down http://tinyurl.com/lz3z8t5
"Neil Findlay offered a genuine alternative to the politics and policies that led to consecutive electoral defeats for Scottish Labour and the haemorrhaging thousands of members.
"Unite was proud to support Neil and his share of the vote is enough to show his popular policies have resonance among working people in Scotland.
"Arguably, Jim Murphy recognised this appetite for real change during the hustings, because as the campaign progressed his arguments became bolder on issues like taxation and a living wage.
"Jim now needs to turn words into action if he wants to start the process of re-building Scottish Labour."
http://www.unitetheunion.org/news/unite-reaction-to-scottish-labour-leader-result/
Seems a reasonable position to me.
Salmond is only ever really happy at Westminster, I think he finds Holyrood provincial and lacking in glamour.
Its also of interest in Edinburgh:
http://trendsmap.com/local/gb/edinburgh
And Glasgow:
http://trendsmap.com/local/gb/glasgow
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hospital_of_St_Cross
(*) I decided Southampton itself would put anyone sane off a move. That was wrong: Southampton is quite a pleasant place as well, if scruffy in parts thanks to the Germans.
Regarding Alex Salmond he should show some magnanimity, and not go back to Westminster.
He threw the kitchen sink at keeping all the items of the British state such as the currency, an unelected head of state etc to not scare the voters, and still lost , because the Scottish people did not have the courage to leave .
The SNP are like their national football team in the seventies all promise, but can not get out of the group stage at the world cup.
Now they do not even qualify.
https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/360002/disag-stats.pdf
1.Mr Murphy has to go left wing at the same time as keeping his very right wing constituents happy - with the added handicap of going into GE2015 with the implicit promise of resigning in a year's time.
2. [edited to remove stray words] More generally, despite many unionists on PB complaining that the Yes side won't move on from indyref, it seems more and more that the unionist side are planning to refight indyref in 2015 and 2016. This has obvious problems when independence is not, in fact, on the immediate agenda (NB I said 'immediate'), and what happened to the Labour Party this year when it got into bed with the Tories.
3. The only way that Mr Murphy can achieve a smooth transition to a MSP without serious risk is to persuade a current constituency MSP to resign in the next 6 months and even then he has a by-election (and £50-£100k to find in unofficial compensation for lost payments, too, as Lallans Peat Worrier pointed out long ago). Getting a list MSP to resign is no good as the next person on the list, who could be SNP for all we know, just gets it.
The same could be said for Plymouth and Portsmouth. Fortunately the horrors of the post-war rebuilding are themselves now being removed and all three cities will be much better as a result.
Southampton does also have a very fine curry house, probably one of the best in the South of England.