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  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 13,717
    Nigelb said:

    All movements seeking social acceptance for a new idea have their daft fringes.

    Consider the women's suffragists and the suffragettes; the tactics and some if the arguments of the fringe set back their cause - but it didn't invalidate the fundamental argument.
    The Suffragettes proudly described themselves as terrorists. People died.
  • TazTaz Posts: 17,628
    Nigelb said:

    Only if we do similarly with 'woke'.

    Brexit too.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 44,810
    edited April 2024

    Sarah Owen on Daily Politics doing a good line in side-eye and eye-roll when speaking to Mark Littlewood, one of TRUSS’s outriders. All very entertaining.

    Listening to the Truss Mason interview I was struck by how much Trump/MAGA she is channelling. The casually provocative one-liners, the brutish simplifications, the idea of a deep state thwarting the interests of ordinary people, One Nation Conservatives branded as "CINOs". Yuck.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 59,806
    Taz said:

    Brexit too.
    Yes, as I said before Brexit is for righties what Trans is for lefties. Trans is an internecine lefty war. Red on Red. The right doesn't really inderstand it. Brexit was a war within the Tories, and on the right. Blue on Blue. Lefties didn't really grasp it, and found it dull and pointless
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 30,829
    It's interesting that this is a reheated policy from the DOH. It's meant to be 'Rishi's legacy'.
  • numbertwelvenumbertwelve Posts: 7,307
    Scott_xP said:

    @kiranstacey

    A plugged-in Conservative recently told me they thought Andy Street was going to get heavily beaten at the mayoral election. I dismissed it at the time as overly-zealous expectation management, but maybe not...

    @RedfieldWilton
    Richard Parker leads Andy Street by 14%.

    West Midlands Mayoral Election VI (10-14 April):

    Richard Parker (Lab) 42%
    Andy Street (Cons) 28%
    Elaine Williams (Ref) 13%
    Siobhan Harper-Nunes (Green) 7%
    Sunny Virk (Lib Dem) 7%
    Other 2%

    It doesn’t surprise me. Even if Street is popular, the party affiliation will drag him down.
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 30,829
    Taz said:

    Sounds brilliant and so devastating to Littlewood too. Gutted I missed it as I was watching an old episode of Bergerac.
    Lol.
  • Jim_MillerJim_Miller Posts: 3,263
    Sometimes it helps to state the obvious: Encouraging young males to be neutered, and young females to be spayed, may not be the best way to deal with a demography problem.

    (The veterinarian terms I just used are not perfect, but they are more honest than "gender-affirming care".)
  • DougSealDougSeal Posts: 12,746
    148grss said:

    People will still want body modifications even if we achieved gender abolition. Indeed - I would assume that they would be more common and acceptable under a society that has abolished gender than now. And I don't know why people seem to think that medical transition is reinforcing gender stereotypes or gender socialising - what breaks patriarchal norms more than people defined by society as one gender showing that they are, in fact, not that gender and taking the control of their own body to show that?
    "...breaks patriarchal norms more than people defined by society as one gender showing that they are, in fact, not that gender and taking the control of their own body to show that?". it reinforces the patriarchy by suggesting that certain behaviours are intrinsically linked to certain body types, and they have to modify their bodies, like changing a costume, to make that behaviour more "realistic".

    Without gender there would be no need to change your body as there would be no behaviours to conform to and nothing to fetishise. People are not assigned a "gender", they are assigned a sex. Gender is a role, like a performance in a play, a pretty nasty play. Gender roles are designed to supress females as a sex based class. The idea that males can become women by performing such roles is deeply problematic.

    Gender is just a tool. Other than gender, tools used to supress females as a sex based class include female infanticide - which has been practiced on every continent and by people on every level of cultural complexity, from hunters and gatherers to high civilization, including our own recent ancestors in the west (1). Rather than being an exception, then, it has been the rule and, self-evidently, occurs before the gender expression of the individual has developed. Females that have, throughout time, been able to survive infanticide are, instead, forced to perform a series of roles we describe as "feminity".

    Gender proponents, on the other hand, deny that sex based oppression exists (2) and advance an individualistic programme that says that the unique experiences of women as a class should be disregarded for the needs of a small number of individuals. It's shocking that people who profess to be socialists prioritise the needs of such individuals over the needs of the group as a whole. It's the sad result of 50 years of Neoliberalism that left-wing thought has been infected with liberalism to the extent we are even discussing this bollocks.

    (1) https://web.archive.org/web/20060815193200/http://infanticide.org/history.htm
    (2) https://youtu.be/AdAdb5Jwl8g (Dembroff asserts at the start, “No one is oppressed because they are a woman.” Which is news indeed.)
  • TimSTimS Posts: 14,937
    Leon said:

    Ultimately, I dismissed the many conspiracy theories around Notre Dame. Despite the alarming number of church and cathedral fires in France which really ARE arson, generally by Islamists or immigrants

    eg Nantes. The arsonist - a lovely chap - then went on to murder the priest who tried to help him. We really are importing the best of the best

    https://www.churchtimes.co.uk/articles/2021/13-august/news/world/french-priest-is-killed-by-man-he-was-sheltering-before-trial-for-nantes-cathedral-fire

    Now this fire in Copenhagen, another iconic national building, another spire toppled, five years and 1 day later?

    HMMMMMM
    Don’t forget the crooked house.

    It all bears the fingerprints of Arsène Lupin.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 34,295
    "Matt Goodwin
    @GoodwinMJ

    Currently trapped in a building in Brussels. If we leave we cannot return because that's how much Brussels values democracy & deliberation"

    https://twitter.com/GoodwinMJ/status/1780210610979946946
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 34,295
    edited April 2024
    148grss said:

    People will still want body modifications even if we achieved gender abolition. Indeed - I would assume that they would be more common and acceptable under a society that has abolished gender than now. And I don't know why people seem to think that medical transition is reinforcing gender stereotypes or gender socialising - what breaks patriarchal norms more than people defined by society as one gender showing that they are, in fact, not that gender and taking the control of their own body to show that?
    I'm against all forms of permanent body modification for cosmetic reasons.
  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 23,795
    Taz said:

    Sounds brilliant and so devastating to Littlewood too. Gutted I missed it as I was watching an old episode of Bergerac.
    I didn't say it was brilliant or devastating, just entertaining. But whatever gets you through the day.
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 30,829
    ...

    I didn't say it was brilliant or devastating, just entertaining. But whatever gets you through the day.
    Oh petal, not a fan of a bit of sarcasm??
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 30,192
    The Rest is Entertainment (not TRI Politics) on the relationship between TV viewing and voting based on data from More In Common.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eh_ByqfG2R4&t=1734s

    In 2019, Conservatives had Strictly and IACGMOOH. Now Labour lead in both, so Keir Starmer will win. No more spoilers.
  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 23,795
    edited April 2024
    kinabalu said:

    Listening to the Truss Mason interview I was struck by how much Trump/MAGA she is channelling. The casually provocative one-liners, the brutish simplifications, the idea of a deep state thwarting the interests of ordinary people, One Nation Conservatives branded as "CINOs". Yuck.
    Sarah Owen was deliciously catty about the whole thing, along with the full suite of bitchy eye-rolling, there was her comment that "that book will be in the bargain bins before summer"
  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 23,795
    Andy_JS said:

    "Matt Goodwin
    @GoodwinMJ

    Currently trapped in a building in Brussels. If we leave we cannot return because that's how much Brussels values democracy & deliberation"

    https://twitter.com/GoodwinMJ/status/1780210610979946946

    What do you see in this pillock?
  • TazTaz Posts: 17,628

    I didn't say it was brilliant or devastating, just entertaining. But whatever gets you through the day.
    In my case a few old episodes of Bergerac 👍
  • PJHPJH Posts: 815
    Taz said:

    By the same token the London Tory Mayor candidate, so derided here and on social media, polls around 5/6 points higher than the Tories in London as a whole.

    Unlike Street, she has no record as Mayor to support her.

    Name recognition perhaps.
    Also the incumbency effect - but negative, for Khan. She benefits from being Not Khan, and unknown.
  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 23,795

    You know when you tell other posters to 'give it a rest'?
    Perhaps you know better than Truss herself as to when the Second Coming will be? There are many, many people, worldwide, awaiting the day – the very hour! – when she stages her much-anticipated return to the throne. Put that in your postbag and smoke it.
  • GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 22,203
    Liz Truss is an absolute lunatic, and it’s scary what it says about the Tory Party in parliament, and the membership at large, that she was ever thought to be a viable candidate for PM.

    But she surely has a point that the British governance is frankly ramshackle. Downing Street appears to run like a badly-managed charity. It *is* an indictment of risk management that all four key principals during Covid were afflicted at the same time. It *is* a disgrace that governance seems to take place via WhatsApp channels which if nothing else is surely a national security risk.
  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 23,795

    ...

    Oh petal, not a fan of a bit of sarcasm??
    More a fan, like you, of THE TRUSS. No sarcasm required. She is the real deal, wouldn't you agree? Truly one in a billion.
  • GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 22,203
    I tend to agree with the Rochdale Pioneers thesis that the Tory Party actually NEEDs a wipe-out if any form of sanity is to return.

    The rabies needs to be stamped out utterly.
  • TazTaz Posts: 17,628

    Sarah Owen was deliciously catty about the whole thing, along with the full suite of bitchy eye-rolling, there was her comment that "that book will be in the bargain bins before summer"
    Brilliant. Like Joan Collins in her Dynasty heyday.

    She claims she based her character, Alexis Carrington, on the Trumpdozer. Collins that is, not the obscure backbench MP.
  • NEW THEEAD

  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 44,810
    Leon said:

    Yes, as I said before Brexit is for righties what Trans is for lefties. Trans is an internecine lefty war. Red on Red. The right doesn't really inderstand it. Brexit was a war within the Tories, and on the right. Blue on Blue. Lefties didn't really grasp it, and found it dull and pointless
    Lots of the strongest anti-Brexit voices are on the left. And with Trans the ranks of the 'antis' are bursting with right wingers. Think about on here. When Brexit is discussed it's not a Tory/Right civil war, is it? People like me love to get involved. Nor is Trans an argument amongst lefties. We hear plenty from posters who are anything but. So I'm not sure what you mean.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 127,059
    edited April 2024

    I tend to agree with the Rochdale Pioneers thesis that the Tory Party actually NEEDs a wipe-out if any form of sanity is to return.

    The rabies needs to be stamped out utterly.

    Sunak and Hunt and Cameron are the centrists in today's Tory Party, if they lose by a landslide the right will say it was their fault and the party needs to return to traditional rightwing values in opposition
  • GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 22,203
    HYUFD said:

    Sunak and Hunt are the centrists in today's Tory Party, if they lose by a landslide the right will say it was their fault
    Let them defect to Reform. They are insane.
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 43,338
    edited April 2024
    Andy_JS said:

    "Matt Goodwin
    @GoodwinMJ

    Currently trapped in a building in Brussels. If we leave we cannot return because that's how much Brussels values democracy & deliberation"

    https://twitter.com/GoodwinMJ/status/1780210610979946946

    Wait till he hears about the Gazans..
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 44,620

    And why does it take so much space here? Will it change votes for the government or Plaid Cymru? Will it bring forward the next election date? Can we bet on the number of certificates issued north and south of Hadrian's Wall? At least abortion in America does have electoral consequences.
    Newcastle is that different from Gateshead? Well, I never.
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 19,161

    I tend to agree with the Rochdale Pioneers thesis that the Tory Party actually NEEDs a wipe-out if any form of sanity is to return.

    The rabies needs to be stamped out utterly.

    I have some sympathy with the view that the purifying flame of electoral oblivion is required, but I think it is to put the cart before the horse.

    Voters have voted for insanity and so insanity is what they've got. If the Tory party is wiped out because the voters have voted for Reform, is that really an improvement?

    Tremendous fun in the short term, but not exactly fertile ground for what you would identify as sanity.
  • DougSealDougSeal Posts: 12,746
    Carnyx said:

    Newcastle is that different from Gateshead? Well, I never.
    TBF Hadrian's Wall is well understood as a metonym for the border even if it is not geographically accurate.
  • TazTaz Posts: 17,628
    DougSeal said:

    TBF Hadrian's Wall is well understood as a metonym for the border even if it is not geographically accurate.
    Wallsend and Segedunum are also in North Tyneside.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 44,620
    DavidL said:

    What are you talking about? it hasn't rained here since the back of 10 o'clock. Marvellous.
    Was slightly taken aback this morning to find at least some of the rough countryside path actually "dry" and "hardening" - though plenty of water and glaur in places still.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 76,733

    Liz Truss is an absolute lunatic, and it’s scary what it says about the Tory Party in parliament, and the membership at large, that she was ever thought to be a viable candidate for PM.

    But she surely has a point that the British governance is frankly ramshackle. Downing Street appears to run like a badly-managed charity. It *is* an indictment of risk management that all four key principals during Covid were afflicted at the same time. It *is* a disgrace that governance seems to take place via WhatsApp channels which if nothing else is surely a national security risk.

    Her 'point' was not well made by trying to given without it.

    There are plenty argument for reforming government - but it's not something you can improvise in real time.
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,422
    Thread:

    By popular demand: Flow of the Vote, Scotland edition. Each block represents 25k voters in colour of 2019 vote, based on data from all Scottish polls this year.

    Much like the Tories GB-wide, the SNP's vote has splintered in multiple directions, Labour the ultimate beneficiary.


    https://x.com/Dylan_Difford/status/1780140319385756075
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 13,717

    He is vaguely popular.

    He'd be doing far worse if he were not Andy Street, but when your brand is in the toilet you're simply not going to win.
    They had a poll question on general election preference and the Tories were 4% lower than Street's figure. So, he'd probably be doing 4% worse if he were not Andy Street.
  • DoubleCarpetDoubleCarpet Posts: 931
    edited April 2024
    India election begins on Friday - first of 7 phases and same day as new Taylor Swift album :smiley:https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/extra/2gd2po82go/big-india-election
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