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Do you think they realise they help him with all this stuff?
Sounds really creepy. I wouldn't give him an Enhanced DBS.
Britain should be piling virtually all of its chips on AI. Bet the house. Bet everything. If we win we might solve nearly all of our problems at once - from productivity to the NHS to crime. If we lose we’re fucked but then if we are fucked so is everyone, probably, so it doesn’t matter
Demon Eyes reborn!
Ironically.
Whether we invest in it or not won't influence who else does.
It's time to STOP LAUGHING. Just give me another minute or two
BJOFPE
http://newmediaabington.pbworks.com/f/vonnegut_EPICAC.pdf
It stupefies me how so many apparently smart people still don’t understand what is happening
Keir Starmer is one of the most dishonest politicians in Britain, and that's quite a bar to pass.
He ran the most dishonest campaign for the leadership of a major political party in British history, however much his abusive cult-like followers pretend otherwise.
https://twitter.com/OwenJones84/status/1551514583185121281
And no ARM doesn't count.
1. Not UK owned
2. Not the right sort of chips
I mean, come on Owen; accuse him of dishonesty, accuse him of whatever; but don't claim that he has anything that even vaguely resembles a cult like following.
It was unintentionally hilarious.
And is it just me, or does the voice remind anyone else of the baby-eating Bishop of Bath and Wells from Blackadder?
So chips are important, but they can be bought. It is, then, what you do with them
The First Nation to reach self-improving AI will potentially dominate the world, unless several nations get there near-simultaneously
There is also an instagram page that was supposed to launch yesterday.
And a paypal button. Hmmmm.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0H9CfT351U0
Really worth a go.
The UK government buys GPU chips from NVidia so as to give the UK an edge. (Presumably these chips are available to British firms to acquire from the government, with very strict rules about not reselling them on.)
This is great for NVidia. They will sell massive numbers of chips to the UK. They will also contract additional foundry capacity so they can also sell to other people.
How exactly is this scheme supposed to benefit the British people?
Right now, I'm currently running some simple (GPU based) ML modelling in Google Colab. This is an area where 99.99% of people are going to be renting capacity.
Work is happening in the UK, in Israel, the US, etc. The Deep Mind guys (and I know Demis) will I'm sure be great - albeit Google will accrue most of the benefits.
But this is also a space where people are mobile and secrets rare.
Within weeks of seeing the initial AI generated images, there were a dozen models. There are now half a dozen decent LLM models, most of which are open source. There are content libraries online (The Pile) that will help you train them up.
It's coming. It will change our lives. But it's highly unlikely the nation state is going to have anything to do with it.
LLMS can be run on any chip its just the NVIDIA ones are currently the quickest. So upon every iteration its who gets the chips first and is able to accelerate from the rest. As the first mover advantage is so important why would an increasingly isolationist America prioritise our companies when they've the biggest/richest/sharpest corporates & spy agencies in the West?
QED if these models are the future we've already 'lost'.
Nice.
(He hasn't said that outright, but those who aren't planning to have said so by now and given what he has said there'd be no reason for him to hold back to gain Trumpist votes, since they hate him anyway).
No major power is going to yield control of that to mere corporations
If you like early 90s music, just discovered this excellent track IMO "This Is Your Life" by Banderas.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=56LVUjK7Sz8
See that point in 2002/03 when it goes into having a deficit, despite there not being a recession in 2002/03?
Stupid, stupid, stupid mismanagement of the finances.
So when the inevitable recession hit, instead of going from budget surplus to manageable budget deficit, we went from deficit to humongous out of control deficit instead. Because the deficit inevitably worsens when you hit the inevitable downturn, which is why you don't blow your budget wide open five years before the recession.
For the rest of the century the deficit has improved annually, or gotten worse during downtimes (like GFC or Covid or Russia/Ukraine War) which is natural and appropriate economics. Spending like there's no tomorrow pre-crash just means you're royally fucked when the crash inevitably comes. And it was entirely unnecessary since there was a budget surplus in 2002 and that just had to be maintained as a balanced budget or small surplus in order to avoid austerity.
A large proportion of productivity growth in the 20th century translated into weekends and the 8 hour day. AI for rich countries might just mean a huge increase in human welfare.
So there are fewer babies and fewer people? It doesn’t matter. AI is gonna do 70-90% of jobs. You don’t need these people. And Fewer people means less pressure on planet earth
This is me being optimistic
The only certainty is in your mind. But the real probability is that corporations and pirates and therefore pretty much everyone will have access rapidly.
On second thoughts, why bother differentiating. How many more videos before they get to The Jews?
Ditto America with Facebook?
This tech is potentially more menacing than nuclear weapons. It will likely be harder to control but powerful nations will do everything possible to control it
That is your problem.
Its not going to be possible to control it.
What China or the USA want to "let" happen is no more relevant than them making piracy illegal. Stopping the spread of knowledge on the internet is not within the set of possible outcomes.
Once that rather hard to hide secret was out, all bets were off.
Same applies here, except it won't be in the hands of governments.
Uh oh.
Perhaps they could declare a "war" on drugs since you want to compare AI to nuclear weapons?
That'd surely work if they do "everything possible" to stop drugs?
Stopping the spread of knowledge online is infinitely harder than stopping the spread of drugs on the streets, since the latter is a physical product that needs to be moved/smuggled/produced. The former is just bits that can be effectively instantaneously replicated or transferred from anywhere on the planet to anywhere on the planet.
America has more chance of winning the war on drugs, than it does preventing people from using or gaining access to AI. Ie none.
Not bits that can be copied and pasted online.
If you’re right I reckon we’re doomed. It will be as if any damn fool can build a H bomb in his kitchen in 3 hours with gaffer tape, pastry dough and a screwdriver. If making devastating nukes ever got that easy criminal mafias, warring little nations, terror groups, religious nutters and mad people would kill us all within a decade
I hope I’m right. I reckon this tech is so scary and powerful major nations will do the utmost to control it and they will probably succeed
But perhaps I am being foolishly hopeful
Of course there is a third option. We let AGI rule the world to make sure AGI doesn’t kill us. So we survive but become subjects
Any fool can run an uncensored, open source LLM of the same power as the currently available models from OpenAI with comparable results, using commonly available consumer hardware.
The cat, if it was ever in the bag, had its head, whiskers and nose pointing out from the start.
Here’s the deal: Trump HAS TO be the GOP nominee. If he’s not their nominee, they can’t win in 2024 bcuz his followers will stay home, GOP turnout will be in the toilet, affecting lots of races.
It’s too late for the GOP. They’re stuck with Trump. They did this to themselves.
https://nitter.net/WalshFreedom/status/1691101776370368512#m
I can see why some experts put the chances of AI killing us off at >10%. A few are way more pessimistic than THAT
Have you read the leaked Google internal email about LLMs and AI?
There's a copy of it here: https://www.semianalysis.com/p/google-we-have-no-moat-and-neither
The difference between this and the industrial revolution is massive. When the Brits started producing steel cheaply, no-one had any idea how they did it, or how to compete. The French offered fortunes to people who'd worked in British factories.
Nowadays, everyone is online, anyone can work for anyone, and no-one has a monopoly on knowing shit.
You seem to think there is this cliff edge, and it's either a 1 or a 0. It's not. It's one group at 0.555334 and another at 0.527881 etc. These groups aren't national. Some are corporates. Some are informal groups of people sharing source code on github.
And not only that, but one LLM may be great at one set of things, while another has another set of specialties.
Your vision of one country having some special bauble that no-one else has is absurd. That's not how this stuff works.
Domain registered 02/05/23 - local election week.
Looks like they have stopstarmer.org as well.
New grads on that scheme have seen their salaries fall by 10% in real terms over the last few years. Crazy.
If it happens very quickly it could be a disaster - see Thatcher closing the mines, or large military bases being closed. But the labour market will adjust over time.
This is part of the reason why I think we could see 20%, even 30% of the workforce in health and social care over the next 50 years; it's a part of the economy that cannot be automated. It makes sense that more and more people will be in roles with human interaction, including the arts, sport, mountain guiding (back up career for me) etc etc
The 'cult' accusation is also pure 'get your own back' projection. Corbyn supporters used to absolutely loathe being called a 'cult' by people - despite the whole thing quite obviously relying on faith in the goodness of the leader and its odd quirks like 'Poems for Jeremy' that were a bit, y'know, culty. Others also pointed out that criticising the Dear Leader online often resulted in your phone pinging endlessly with Twitter abuse. So when Starmer became leader they immediately began chucking it back at anyone defending Starmer - even if their attitude was critical but wanting to succeed, don't write poetry or paint pictures of him, and the abuse amounts to pointing out when Owen is frequently wrong.
I do think Britain can be at the forefront of this, profitably, precisely because the tech will be everywhere, so then it becomes a matter of how cleverly you apply it. We are a clever country. We should have the confidence to go for it
However I also think the military implications of AI are so profound nation states will seek some ultimate control. We should all probably pray they succeed, for reasons adduced
Seems a video that could see some rare agreement between Corbynites, the ERG and Farage in supporting many of its key points
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https://x.com/linusekenstam/status/1689930354713305088?s=46&t=bulOICNH15U6kB0MwE6Lfw
But yes, you are right.
We need a lot more people in health and social care, so perhaps that is just as well, although I wonder how many people are actually suited to it. Certainly from what I've seen a lot doing the job already aren't really that good at it.
I shall retire to grow moss. Or something.
If Trump isn't the nominee then he needs to endorse whoever is, in the hope that they'll win the general and pardon him.
Even if Trump wins the primary it may be in his interests to step aside and endorse with a better chance of beating Biden and pardoning him, although obviously it's not clear whether he would be able to mentally process the idea that he was going to lose and somebody else could win.
(Recently I learned one of the things her campaign did to make that happen. In general, you can't take open endorsements of candidates into a polling place. So the Murkowski campaign provided bracelets with her name on the insides of the bracelets, so her voters could look at the insides of the bracelets in the polling booth, and spell her name right.)
Full disclosure: In 2016 and 2020, I cast write-in votes in the presidential races. (I knew the Democratic candidate would carry my home state of Washington, so my protest vote was, one could say, "free".)
But Trump ran behind Republican candidates for governor and senator in key states, and may have won some of those states, only because their popularity brought Republican leaning voters to the polls. Who might not have come had Trump been the only candidate on the ballot.
Will that happen again? My guess: Probably not to the same extent. Perhaps not at all. And some of those cadidates, who might have won without Trump at the top of the ticket will lose.
(Incidentally, "negative" coat tails helps explain why so many state polls underestimated Trump's vote.)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coattail_effect
https://skwawkbox.org/2023/08/13/starmer-disliked-by-all-age-groups-poll-finds/
https://twitter.com/ThugLifeSocial/status/1691295172271783936/photo/1
Trump's whole personality is based on the fact he must also win, whatever the cost, even he if he has to cheat and, if he doesn't, then that must mean that someone else cheated.
Meantime, how can Donald Trump continue his presidential re-bid with this weight of indictments on his shoulders. It's going beyond farcical.
Hard Left - Hard Right: each as bad, and dangerous, as the other.
The prime minister is thought to have seen Taylor Swift perform while on holiday
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/rishi-sunak-the-swiftie-attends-sold-out-gig-in-us-98qbr9pxv (£££)
(I'd have called it unsatisfying, rather than 'free'.)