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I never proposed defaulting on debts.beinndearg said:
No it isn't. Governments pay their debts is the first rule of a first world, rule of law country.BartholomewRoberts said:
It is. The last time it ran a surplus was in 2002, hence austerity. So let's talk.beinndearg said:
The contracting party was the UK Government. When that goes bust we can talk.BartholomewRoberts said:
If the contracting party has the funds available to pay the contract, then they can pay it.beinndearg said:
I thought you were a fan of market forces? These gold plated pensions (and I cannot stress enough that I don't have one) were what the labour market dictated at the time you needed to pay these people to do the job they did. Your proposal to rewrite those contracts is pure communism: to each according to his needs, not what a contracting party agreed to pay him. Whereas where you are not personally disadvantaged we get caricature capitalism; the good people of Wick should pay the market price for having their parcels delivered even if that is £1000 a go.BartholomewRoberts said:
That could have been a cogent argument if it was made decades ago, but it wasn't.MaxPB said:
The first point is the most important and the problem that Bart is pointing out is that in this environment of ageing/obesity the NHS is still attempting to extend life expectancy. Maybe, just maybe, it's time to accept we live in a resource limited environment and stop extending life expectancy.Gardenwalker said:Health spending has not kept up with population growth + ageing/obesity + health inflation.
This is especially true with respect to capital investment, or in simplest terms, “beds”.
On top of those limitations, we can’t release people quickly enough from hospital into social care because (a) we don’t fund that properly either, and (b) we’ve lost a lot of staff from that sector.
Covid’s overhang continues to mean acute pressures; people are just sicker than they were before.
Apparently Rishi is fully focused on this (alongside his maths idea) so let’s see what he has to say.
We have a particular and long forewarned problem of one specific generation that seriously outnumber both those that came before it, and those that came after it. But what sacrifice is that generation making?
Future generations won't be retiring at 65 on gold plated pensions. The problem there has already been somewhat addressed but for those who have retired at 65 on a gold plated pension, what's the solution?
Any proposals to extend working is in the future, not for that generation. In the future the problem will have gone anyway, but our generation could be working into the seventies and beyond before retirement but without a demographic boom in that generation. How does extending that further address the problem of those who are already retired and have 3 to 4 or more decades of retirement?
If it doesn't, then it shouldn't be subsidised or paid for by taxpayers. If you are in a contract and the other party goes bust, then you lose whatever you contracted.
The good people of Wick I'm sure would rather go collect their own parcels than pay 1000 a go so the market would find equilibrium without interference.
Any funds that were put to one side should be used. Anything else, is just politics.
I don't think what you propose is possible anyway. The government's obligation to pay these pensions is no different from its obligation to pay coupons and redemptions on gilts. I would think our debt would be rerated as junk if it tried to default.
But triple locking pensions isn't a debt that is owed.
Taxing pensioners by less than we tax working people isn't a debt that is owed.
If you want to start things off, you could equalise taxes by abolishing national insurance and the graduate tax so that a young graduate starting to work or a retired gold plated pensioner or anyone in between is on the same tax rate.
Without defaulting on anything.3 -
Sure.Casino_Royale said:
History is the summation of the whole human story to date - taught in our islands should have a particular focus on British history because that's where we live and it explains our institutions and values and how we got here. It should not be taught solely through the prism of gender, race and sexuality - as the Woke would have it.beinndearg said:
Sure, but your world picture has to explain the "utter idiocy of the marxist Left on history" if that is a major facet of our modern world to you (and it clearly is).Casino_Royale said:
Yup, such nonsense very neatly describes the utter idiocy of the marxist Left on history.beinndearg said:
I would have thought that intercontinental interactions are what shape and explain our world. Narrow focus UK and Europe history boil down to a bunch of repetitive parochial spats between posh rich whiteys using the poor as pawns. Looked at from far enough out.AlistairM said:
A few weeks ago my 13yo daughter was struggling on the conclusion for her history homework. It was about the civil rights movement in the US. She'd done some Googling but hadn't made much progress. I decided to fire up Chat GPT and decided to ask it the question that she'd been asked to answer and prompted for an A4 page response (the length she was expected to give). The response it gave was very plausible. We kept all the work that she'd used up to then but used its conclusion to help her write her own final paragraph. I suspect we could have copied and pasted the entire response and the teacher would never have known.Leon said:Am I the only sane person on here? AI is clearly going to revolutionise education. But it won’t all be bad. Teaching will be easier:
“Still think ChatGPT is bad for education?
I just gave it a mark scheme and a sample student answer from an AQA GCSE English Language paper.
Look what happened 👇
*Spoiler: It marked it accurately in seconds*
#education #edutwitter #edtech #AI”
https://twitter.com/danfitztweets/status/1609675061211930625?s=46&t=5D3OrwpAXOPOwYLcHjcJzg
And kids all over the world can get one-to-one tuition
“The one thing we know works for education is 1-1 tutoring vs one-to-many classroom
1-1 tutoring with humans for everyone is economically infeasible
But the promise of AI and ChatGPT systems will be 1-1 tutoring for everyone in the world”
https://twitter.com/alexandr_wang/status/1608996309897465856?s=46&t=5D3OrwpAXOPOwYLcHjcJzg
But be in no doubt, the Revolution is here
“Forget year in review: lets talk about how technology transformed education in the last MONTH thanks to ChatGPT
💥How to use it to educate: oneusefulthing.substack.com/p/how-to-use-a…
👨🏫Automating my job as a professor: oneusefulthing.substack.com/p/the-mechanic…
🤖How my students are using it: oneusefulthing.substack.com/p/the-street-f…
https://twitter.com/emollick/status/1608814300805861377?s=46&t=5D3OrwpAXOPOwYLcHjcJzg
As an aside she is taught almost exclusively about "diverse" history and knows very little of British or European history. I find it very sad that children seem to know only small amounts of history on the island which they live.
And what utter bollocks it is.
I will send my children to schools that teach it properly or otherwise privately tutor them myself.
A spectre is haunting casinoRoyaleville; the spectre of Woke. Is Woke itself better explained by various facets of intercontinental trade and war, or by whether Philip of Anjou edged it on penalties over Charles of Austria?
One day lesser minds, like yours, will come round to this, but for now it's far easier for you to be a dumb sheep.
"Divorced, beheaded, died
Divorced, beheaded, survived."
There's some proper history that a loyal beef-eating Englishman can get behind.
The idea that there's more to it than that, is not new or commie. Every third chapter of War and Peace is devoted to making this point.0 -
The funny thing about maths is that before University I used to love it.
Did it at GCSEs and then A-levels. Stormed it. A* or 9s or whatever they call them these days, at both GCSE and A levels.
However, I didn't want to continue it at University. I wanted a career that involved lots of maths.
So I became an accountant......
Accountancy has nothing to do with maths, at all. Outside of adding and subtracting I never use maths.
It's all about ensuring that Debits are either an expense or asset as the client wants, or that Credits are revenue or liabilities, again as the client wants.
Not a single bit of maths in my job...... very strange.1 -
...Because the jobless age (if it ever comes about) will have so much wealth sitting about, that crazy spending by governments would barely begin to spend it.BartholomewRoberts said:
That's Luddite bullshit.HYUFD said:
In which case all but the top 1% most creative and innovative and skilled will be out of work in most fields.Leon said:
Mate, I wish that were true. I fear it is notHYUFD said:
If AI makes most STEM, finance, accountancy, law jobs redundant that will change.Leon said:
I don’t disagree at all. The problem is going to be persuading the kids to learn when it becomes evermore pointless and doesn’t help them get work, as all knowledge work is automatedTOPPING said:
For 85% of people reading A Portrait of the Artist is pointless but it's still worth equipping as many people as possible with the tools to do so in a civilised society.Leon said:A reminder: Only 15% of the population have an IQ level of 115 or above. An IQ above 115 is considered to be a 'High IQ'
For 85% of people advanced maths is simply pointless. They can’t do it and, besides, they have a tiny brilliant machine that can solve all practical daily maths questions, anyway
Soon they will have a new machine which they won’t even require numbers. You’ll just ask it the query “what is a third of a third”
Kids are already fleeing the Humanities for this exact reason: these degrees don’t lead to jobs
https://www.latimes.com/opinion/story/2022-10-24/college-humanities-decline
The few jobs left will be the most creative ones machines can't do, which humanities teach
GPT3.5 is already churning out pretty good creative writing - poetry, stories. SDiffusion and DALL-E2 are producing some notable art (which is being used commercially already)
In 2 or 3 iterations (3-5 years?) they will be as good at the best creative stuff as almost any human. In ten years unimaginably better than any human
Tiny arguments on Reddit will rage as to whether these machines are “truly” creative. It won’t matter, because the machines will simply be better, and we will avidly consume their creations
We then return to the inevitability of a universal basic income funded by a robot tax the more AI is used across sectors, whether creative arts, manufacturing, professional finance, accountancy and law or basic menial tasks
As jobs are eliminated, new ones are created. People have ingenuity. We do different jobs than the past, but the idea of a jobless age has always been and always will be Dystopian SciFi bullshit.0 -
Ah, OK, different point. "Gold plated" usually refers to contracted fatcat civil service pensions.BartholomewRoberts said:
I never proposed defaulting on debts.beinndearg said:
No it isn't. Governments pay their debts is the first rule of a first world, rule of law country.BartholomewRoberts said:
It is. The last time it ran a surplus was in 2002, hence austerity. So let's talk.beinndearg said:
The contracting party was the UK Government. When that goes bust we can talk.BartholomewRoberts said:
If the contracting party has the funds available to pay the contract, then they can pay it.beinndearg said:
I thought you were a fan of market forces? These gold plated pensions (and I cannot stress enough that I don't have one) were what the labour market dictated at the time you needed to pay these people to do the job they did. Your proposal to rewrite those contracts is pure communism: to each according to his needs, not what a contracting party agreed to pay him. Whereas where you are not personally disadvantaged we get caricature capitalism; the good people of Wick should pay the market price for having their parcels delivered even if that is £1000 a go.BartholomewRoberts said:
That could have been a cogent argument if it was made decades ago, but it wasn't.MaxPB said:
The first point is the most important and the problem that Bart is pointing out is that in this environment of ageing/obesity the NHS is still attempting to extend life expectancy. Maybe, just maybe, it's time to accept we live in a resource limited environment and stop extending life expectancy.Gardenwalker said:Health spending has not kept up with population growth + ageing/obesity + health inflation.
This is especially true with respect to capital investment, or in simplest terms, “beds”.
On top of those limitations, we can’t release people quickly enough from hospital into social care because (a) we don’t fund that properly either, and (b) we’ve lost a lot of staff from that sector.
Covid’s overhang continues to mean acute pressures; people are just sicker than they were before.
Apparently Rishi is fully focused on this (alongside his maths idea) so let’s see what he has to say.
We have a particular and long forewarned problem of one specific generation that seriously outnumber both those that came before it, and those that came after it. But what sacrifice is that generation making?
Future generations won't be retiring at 65 on gold plated pensions. The problem there has already been somewhat addressed but for those who have retired at 65 on a gold plated pension, what's the solution?
Any proposals to extend working is in the future, not for that generation. In the future the problem will have gone anyway, but our generation could be working into the seventies and beyond before retirement but without a demographic boom in that generation. How does extending that further address the problem of those who are already retired and have 3 to 4 or more decades of retirement?
If it doesn't, then it shouldn't be subsidised or paid for by taxpayers. If you are in a contract and the other party goes bust, then you lose whatever you contracted.
The good people of Wick I'm sure would rather go collect their own parcels than pay 1000 a go so the market would find equilibrium without interference.
Any funds that were put to one side should be used. Anything else, is just politics.
I don't think what you propose is possible anyway. The government's obligation to pay these pensions is no different from its obligation to pay coupons and redemptions on gilts. I would think our debt would be rerated as junk if it tried to default.
But triple locking pensions isn't a debt that is owed.
Taxing pensioners by less than we tax working people isn't a debt that is owed.
If you want to start things off, you could equalise taxes by abolishing national insurance and the graduate tax so that a young graduate starting to work or a retired gold plated pensioner or anyone in between is on the same tax rate.
Without defaulting on anything.
A cut off for NHS services of any kind to the over 70s would resolve so many problems all at once.
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If the argument is that schoolchild in the world should learn world history, and end up with relatively similar curricula across countries, then fair enough. It's not a view I agree with, but it's certainly defensible.Casino_Royale said:
History is the summation of the whole human story to date - taught in our islands should have a particular focus on British history because that's where we live and it explains our institutions and values and how we got here. It should not be taught solely through the prism of gender, race and sexuality - as the Woke would have it.beinndearg said:
Sure, but your world picture has to explain the "utter idiocy of the marxist Left on history" if that is a major facet of our modern world to you (and it clearly is).Casino_Royale said:
Yup, such nonsense very neatly describes the utter idiocy of the marxist Left on history.beinndearg said:
I would have thought that intercontinental interactions are what shape and explain our world. Narrow focus UK and Europe history boil down to a bunch of repetitive parochial spats between posh rich whiteys using the poor as pawns. Looked at from far enough out.AlistairM said:
A few weeks ago my 13yo daughter was struggling on the conclusion for her history homework. It was about the civil rights movement in the US. She'd done some Googling but hadn't made much progress. I decided to fire up Chat GPT and decided to ask it the question that she'd been asked to answer and prompted for an A4 page response (the length she was expected to give). The response it gave was very plausible. We kept all the work that she'd used up to then but used its conclusion to help her write her own final paragraph. I suspect we could have copied and pasted the entire response and the teacher would never have known.Leon said:Am I the only sane person on here? AI is clearly going to revolutionise education. But it won’t all be bad. Teaching will be easier:
“Still think ChatGPT is bad for education?
I just gave it a mark scheme and a sample student answer from an AQA GCSE English Language paper.
Look what happened 👇
*Spoiler: It marked it accurately in seconds*
#education #edutwitter #edtech #AI”
https://twitter.com/danfitztweets/status/1609675061211930625?s=46&t=5D3OrwpAXOPOwYLcHjcJzg
And kids all over the world can get one-to-one tuition
“The one thing we know works for education is 1-1 tutoring vs one-to-many classroom
1-1 tutoring with humans for everyone is economically infeasible
But the promise of AI and ChatGPT systems will be 1-1 tutoring for everyone in the world”
https://twitter.com/alexandr_wang/status/1608996309897465856?s=46&t=5D3OrwpAXOPOwYLcHjcJzg
But be in no doubt, the Revolution is here
“Forget year in review: lets talk about how technology transformed education in the last MONTH thanks to ChatGPT
💥How to use it to educate: oneusefulthing.substack.com/p/how-to-use-a…
👨🏫Automating my job as a professor: oneusefulthing.substack.com/p/the-mechanic…
🤖How my students are using it: oneusefulthing.substack.com/p/the-street-f…
https://twitter.com/emollick/status/1608814300805861377?s=46&t=5D3OrwpAXOPOwYLcHjcJzg
As an aside she is taught almost exclusively about "diverse" history and knows very little of British or European history. I find it very sad that children seem to know only small amounts of history on the island which they live.
And what utter bollocks it is.
I will send my children to schools that teach it properly or otherwise privately tutor them myself.
A spectre is haunting casinoRoyaleville; the spectre of Woke. Is Woke itself better explained by various facets of intercontinental trade and war, or by whether Philip of Anjou edged it on penalties over Charles of Austria?
One day lesser minds, like yours, will come round to this, but for now it's far easier for you to be a dumb sheep.
However, in practice I suspect that most proponents of teaching "diverse" history in the UK would baulk at the teaching of, say, the Napoleonic Wars in a Nigerian school, as "colonialist".0 -
Aren't we almost neighbours and might therefore be talking about the same secondary school (located in SE14)?TimS said:
Same at our local school. The bloody Tudors, the Victorian era, WW1 and 2, then at secondary school it's 1066, and yet more world war stuff. They learn about slavery and African kingdoms and a tiny bit about the empire.OnlyLivingBoy said:
It's just not my experience, that's all. Our kids learn about the Tudors and 20th century European history, mainly. The school has started to teach about West African kingdoms, too, which I think is a good thing, a teacher at the school helped to develop the curriculum so it is very well taught and sounds extremely interesting. My son was really engaged by it.Casino_Royale said:
And, we keep being told that such Woke agendas in education don't exist and that such agendas are totally fabricated; a fantasy in the minds of "reactionaries".AlistairM said:
A few weeks ago my 13yo daughter was struggling on the conclusion for her history homework. It was about the civil rights movement in the US. She'd done some Googling but hadn't made much progress. I decided to fire up Chat GPT and decided to ask it the question that she'd been asked to answer and prompted for an A4 page response (the length she was expected to give). The response it gave was very plausible. We kept all the work that she'd used up to then but used its conclusion to help her write her own final paragraph. I suspect we could have copied and pasted the entire response and the teacher would never have known.Leon said:Am I the only sane person on here? AI is clearly going to revolutionise education. But it won’t all be bad. Teaching will be easier:
“Still think ChatGPT is bad for education?
I just gave it a mark scheme and a sample student answer from an AQA GCSE English Language paper.
Look what happened 👇
*Spoiler: It marked it accurately in seconds*
#education #edutwitter #edtech #AI”
https://twitter.com/danfitztweets/status/1609675061211930625?s=46&t=5D3OrwpAXOPOwYLcHjcJzg
And kids all over the world can get one-to-one tuition
“The one thing we know works for education is 1-1 tutoring vs one-to-many classroom
1-1 tutoring with humans for everyone is economically infeasible
But the promise of AI and ChatGPT systems will be 1-1 tutoring for everyone in the world”
https://twitter.com/alexandr_wang/status/1608996309897465856?s=46&t=5D3OrwpAXOPOwYLcHjcJzg
But be in no doubt, the Revolution is here
“Forget year in review: lets talk about how technology transformed education in the last MONTH thanks to ChatGPT
💥How to use it to educate: oneusefulthing.substack.com/p/how-to-use-a…
👨🏫Automating my job as a professor: oneusefulthing.substack.com/p/the-mechanic…
🤖How my students are using it: oneusefulthing.substack.com/p/the-street-f…
https://twitter.com/emollick/status/1608814300805861377?s=46&t=5D3OrwpAXOPOwYLcHjcJzg
As an aside she is taught almost exclusively about "diverse" history and knows very little of British or European history. I find it very sad that children seem to know only small amounts of history on the island which they live.
It's almost as if they don't want us to challenge it.
What you get none of - and we had almost none of in my time either - is wider European history. Has the typical year 11 student any concept of who Charlemagne was, or the 30 years war, or the Moorish conquests or Mongol invasions, do they know Germany and Italy used to be clusters of tiny kingdoms and principalities or that there used to be these two massive empires within Ryanair distance of us run by the Habsburgs and the Ottomans? No, they know about Henry the 8th, Hitler and the Nazis and William the Conqueror. If they're lucky they might heave heard a passing reference to the French and Russian revolutions and learned about the Battle of Trafalgar.0 -
Then why do we have full employment? 🤦♂️HYUFD said:
What new jobs are going to be created then the average IQ person, not especially creative can do which AI can't do? Let alone for those of below average IQ?BartholomewRoberts said:
That's Luddite bullshit.HYUFD said:
In which case all but the top 1% most creative and innovative and skilled will be out of work in most fields.Leon said:
Mate, I wish that were true. I fear it is notHYUFD said:
If AI makes most STEM, finance, accountancy, law jobs redundant that will change.Leon said:
I don’t disagree at all. The problem is going to be persuading the kids to learn when it becomes evermore pointless and doesn’t help them get work, as all knowledge work is automatedTOPPING said:
For 85% of people reading A Portrait of the Artist is pointless but it's still worth equipping as many people as possible with the tools to do so in a civilised society.Leon said:A reminder: Only 15% of the population have an IQ level of 115 or above. An IQ above 115 is considered to be a 'High IQ'
For 85% of people advanced maths is simply pointless. They can’t do it and, besides, they have a tiny brilliant machine that can solve all practical daily maths questions, anyway
Soon they will have a new machine which they won’t even require numbers. You’ll just ask it the query “what is a third of a third”
Kids are already fleeing the Humanities for this exact reason: these degrees don’t lead to jobs
https://www.latimes.com/opinion/story/2022-10-24/college-humanities-decline
The few jobs left will be the most creative ones machines can't do, which humanities teach
GPT3.5 is already churning out pretty good creative writing - poetry, stories. SDiffusion and DALL-E2 are producing some notable art (which is being used commercially already)
In 2 or 3 iterations (3-5 years?) they will be as good at the best creative stuff as almost any human. In ten years unimaginably better than any human
Tiny arguments on Reddit will rage as to whether these machines are “truly” creative. It won’t matter, because the machines will simply be better, and we will avidly consume their creations
We then return to the inevitability of a universal basic income funded by a robot tax the more AI is used across sectors, whether creative arts, manufacturing, professional finance, accountancy and law or basic menial tasks
As jobs are eliminated, new ones are created. People have ingenuity. We do different jobs than the past, but the idea of a jobless age has always been and always will be Dystopian SciFi bullshit.
There may still be permanent jobs for very high IQ, highly creative people but they are only a small minority
There's 300 years of history showing Luddidm is wrong. You're only limited by your own weak imagination.
People will use their ingenuity to create jobs and opportunities. Just as we always have done.0 -
I don't want to negate your lived experience, I'm just offering my own as a counterpoint. The forces of woke are obviously more active in Hampshire than in Inner London - who knew?Casino_Royale said:
That isn't, but there's an increasing focus in some educational institutions to teach history almost solely through the prism of identity politics, as the post of @AlistairM demonstrates. I also encountered it myself at my daughter's previous school, so I withdrew her.BartholomewRoberts said:
My kids learn English history too. Last term included the Great Fire of London and the Plague.OnlyLivingBoy said:
It's just not my experience, that's all. Our kids learn about the Tudors and 20th century European history, mainly. The school has started to teach about West African kingdoms, too, which I think is a good thing, a teacher at the school helped to develop the curriculum so it is very well taught and sounds extremely interesting. My son was really engaged by it.Casino_Royale said:
And, we keep being told that such Woke agendas in education don't exist and that such agendas are totally fabricated; a fantasy in the minds of "reactionaries".AlistairM said:
A few weeks ago my 13yo daughter was struggling on the conclusion for her history homework. It was about the civil rights movement in the US. She'd done some Googling but hadn't made much progress. I decided to fire up Chat GPT and decided to ask it the question that she'd been asked to answer and prompted for an A4 page response (the length she was expected to give). The response it gave was very plausible. We kept all the work that she'd used up to then but used its conclusion to help her write her own final paragraph. I suspect we could have copied and pasted the entire response and the teacher would never have known.Leon said:Am I the only sane person on here? AI is clearly going to revolutionise education. But it won’t all be bad. Teaching will be easier:
“Still think ChatGPT is bad for education?
I just gave it a mark scheme and a sample student answer from an AQA GCSE English Language paper.
Look what happened 👇
*Spoiler: It marked it accurately in seconds*
#education #edutwitter #edtech #AI”
https://twitter.com/danfitztweets/status/1609675061211930625?s=46&t=5D3OrwpAXOPOwYLcHjcJzg
And kids all over the world can get one-to-one tuition
“The one thing we know works for education is 1-1 tutoring vs one-to-many classroom
1-1 tutoring with humans for everyone is economically infeasible
But the promise of AI and ChatGPT systems will be 1-1 tutoring for everyone in the world”
https://twitter.com/alexandr_wang/status/1608996309897465856?s=46&t=5D3OrwpAXOPOwYLcHjcJzg
But be in no doubt, the Revolution is here
“Forget year in review: lets talk about how technology transformed education in the last MONTH thanks to ChatGPT
💥How to use it to educate: oneusefulthing.substack.com/p/how-to-use-a…
👨🏫Automating my job as a professor: oneusefulthing.substack.com/p/the-mechanic…
🤖How my students are using it: oneusefulthing.substack.com/p/the-street-f…
https://twitter.com/emollick/status/1608814300805861377?s=46&t=5D3OrwpAXOPOwYLcHjcJzg
As an aside she is taught almost exclusively about "diverse" history and knows very little of British or European history. I find it very sad that children seem to know only small amounts of history on the island which they live.
It's almost as if they don't want us to challenge it.
Not sure what is woke or rewriting history there?
We shouldn't deny this is a problem.0 -
I went to state sixth form college, my sister went to stste schools throughout her childhood and my nephews both went there.Nigelb said:
How much practical experience of the current state system do you have ?Casino_Royale said:
Yup, such nonsense very neatly describes the utter idiocy of the marxist Left on history.beinndearg said:
I would have thought that intercontinental interactions are what shape and explain our world. Narrow focus UK and Europe history boil down to a bunch of repetitive parochial spats between posh rich whiteys using the poor as pawns. Looked at from far enough out.AlistairM said:
A few weeks ago my 13yo daughter was struggling on the conclusion for her history homework. It was about the civil rights movement in the US. She'd done some Googling but hadn't made much progress. I decided to fire up Chat GPT and decided to ask it the question that she'd been asked to answer and prompted for an A4 page response (the length she was expected to give). The response it gave was very plausible. We kept all the work that she'd used up to then but used its conclusion to help her write her own final paragraph. I suspect we could have copied and pasted the entire response and the teacher would never have known.Leon said:Am I the only sane person on here? AI is clearly going to revolutionise education. But it won’t all be bad. Teaching will be easier:
“Still think ChatGPT is bad for education?
I just gave it a mark scheme and a sample student answer from an AQA GCSE English Language paper.
Look what happened 👇
*Spoiler: It marked it accurately in seconds*
#education #edutwitter #edtech #AI”
https://twitter.com/danfitztweets/status/1609675061211930625?s=46&t=5D3OrwpAXOPOwYLcHjcJzg
And kids all over the world can get one-to-one tuition
“The one thing we know works for education is 1-1 tutoring vs one-to-many classroom
1-1 tutoring with humans for everyone is economically infeasible
But the promise of AI and ChatGPT systems will be 1-1 tutoring for everyone in the world”
https://twitter.com/alexandr_wang/status/1608996309897465856?s=46&t=5D3OrwpAXOPOwYLcHjcJzg
But be in no doubt, the Revolution is here
“Forget year in review: lets talk about how technology transformed education in the last MONTH thanks to ChatGPT
💥How to use it to educate: oneusefulthing.substack.com/p/how-to-use-a…
👨🏫Automating my job as a professor: oneusefulthing.substack.com/p/the-mechanic…
🤖How my students are using it: oneusefulthing.substack.com/p/the-street-f…
https://twitter.com/emollick/status/1608814300805861377?s=46&t=5D3OrwpAXOPOwYLcHjcJzg
As an aside she is taught almost exclusively about "diverse" history and knows very little of British or European history. I find it very sad that children seem to know only small amounts of history on the island which they live.
And what utter bollocks it is.
I will send my children to schools that teach it properly or otherwise privately tutor them myself.
I am also familiar with the curriculums taught locally. My ex-girlfriend also attended a history lessons during her PCGE course at a Southampton comprehensive entitled "there ain't no black in the union jack".
I am done with denialism and whataboutery on this. IT IS A PROBLEM.
The question is what we do about it so we don't radicalise and indoctrinate future generations.2 -
I agree again. Of course, the very rare entrepreneurial personality types suited to creating new businesses (or industries) will need to be encouraged to relocate here.BartholomewRoberts said:
That's Luddite bullshit.HYUFD said:
In which case all but the top 1% most creative and innovative and skilled will be out of work in most fields.Leon said:
Mate, I wish that were true. I fear it is notHYUFD said:
If AI makes most STEM, finance, accountancy, law jobs redundant that will change.Leon said:
I don’t disagree at all. The problem is going to be persuading the kids to learn when it becomes evermore pointless and doesn’t help them get work, as all knowledge work is automatedTOPPING said:
For 85% of people reading A Portrait of the Artist is pointless but it's still worth equipping as many people as possible with the tools to do so in a civilised society.Leon said:A reminder: Only 15% of the population have an IQ level of 115 or above. An IQ above 115 is considered to be a 'High IQ'
For 85% of people advanced maths is simply pointless. They can’t do it and, besides, they have a tiny brilliant machine that can solve all practical daily maths questions, anyway
Soon they will have a new machine which they won’t even require numbers. You’ll just ask it the query “what is a third of a third”
Kids are already fleeing the Humanities for this exact reason: these degrees don’t lead to jobs
https://www.latimes.com/opinion/story/2022-10-24/college-humanities-decline
The few jobs left will be the most creative ones machines can't do, which humanities teach
GPT3.5 is already churning out pretty good creative writing - poetry, stories. SDiffusion and DALL-E2 are producing some notable art (which is being used commercially already)
In 2 or 3 iterations (3-5 years?) they will be as good at the best creative stuff as almost any human. In ten years unimaginably better than any human
Tiny arguments on Reddit will rage as to whether these machines are “truly” creative. It won’t matter, because the machines will simply be better, and we will avidly consume their creations
We then return to the inevitability of a universal basic income funded by a robot tax the more AI is used across sectors, whether creative arts, manufacturing, professional finance, accountancy and law or basic menial tasks
As jobs are eliminated, new ones are created. People have ingenuity. We do different jobs than the past, but the idea of a jobless age has always been and always will be Dystopian SciFi bullshit.
It would also help if we could make some sensible decisions to retain what is left of UK manufacturing - as corporate R&D tends to be closely related to existing businesses. (Easier if the robots are replacing workers for existing products, if you will).1 -
Apologies. I forgot it was entirely futile engaging with you on this subject.OnlyLivingBoy said:
I don't want to negate your lived experience, I'm just offering my own as a counterpoint. The forces of woke are obviously more active in Hampshire than in Inner London - who knew?Casino_Royale said:
That isn't, but there's an increasing focus in some educational institutions to teach history almost solely through the prism of identity politics, as the post of @AlistairM demonstrates. I also encountered it myself at my daughter's previous school, so I withdrew her.BartholomewRoberts said:
My kids learn English history too. Last term included the Great Fire of London and the Plague.OnlyLivingBoy said:
It's just not my experience, that's all. Our kids learn about the Tudors and 20th century European history, mainly. The school has started to teach about West African kingdoms, too, which I think is a good thing, a teacher at the school helped to develop the curriculum so it is very well taught and sounds extremely interesting. My son was really engaged by it.Casino_Royale said:
And, we keep being told that such Woke agendas in education don't exist and that such agendas are totally fabricated; a fantasy in the minds of "reactionaries".AlistairM said:
A few weeks ago my 13yo daughter was struggling on the conclusion for her history homework. It was about the civil rights movement in the US. She'd done some Googling but hadn't made much progress. I decided to fire up Chat GPT and decided to ask it the question that she'd been asked to answer and prompted for an A4 page response (the length she was expected to give). The response it gave was very plausible. We kept all the work that she'd used up to then but used its conclusion to help her write her own final paragraph. I suspect we could have copied and pasted the entire response and the teacher would never have known.Leon said:Am I the only sane person on here? AI is clearly going to revolutionise education. But it won’t all be bad. Teaching will be easier:
“Still think ChatGPT is bad for education?
I just gave it a mark scheme and a sample student answer from an AQA GCSE English Language paper.
Look what happened 👇
*Spoiler: It marked it accurately in seconds*
#education #edutwitter #edtech #AI”
https://twitter.com/danfitztweets/status/1609675061211930625?s=46&t=5D3OrwpAXOPOwYLcHjcJzg
And kids all over the world can get one-to-one tuition
“The one thing we know works for education is 1-1 tutoring vs one-to-many classroom
1-1 tutoring with humans for everyone is economically infeasible
But the promise of AI and ChatGPT systems will be 1-1 tutoring for everyone in the world”
https://twitter.com/alexandr_wang/status/1608996309897465856?s=46&t=5D3OrwpAXOPOwYLcHjcJzg
But be in no doubt, the Revolution is here
“Forget year in review: lets talk about how technology transformed education in the last MONTH thanks to ChatGPT
💥How to use it to educate: oneusefulthing.substack.com/p/how-to-use-a…
👨🏫Automating my job as a professor: oneusefulthing.substack.com/p/the-mechanic…
🤖How my students are using it: oneusefulthing.substack.com/p/the-street-f…
https://twitter.com/emollick/status/1608814300805861377?s=46&t=5D3OrwpAXOPOwYLcHjcJzg
As an aside she is taught almost exclusively about "diverse" history and knows very little of British or European history. I find it very sad that children seem to know only small amounts of history on the island which they live.
It's almost as if they don't want us to challenge it.
Not sure what is woke or rewriting history there?
We shouldn't deny this is a problem.0 -
My kids’ school in New York appears to draw parents trying to escape the woke invasion of private schools here.
The place is blissfully normal, and nobody cares about critical race theory. Having said that, the nativity play did feature some kind of Kwanza interlude.2 -
Last year I was decanting paint, or something, and deployed irl and correctly, without googling, the formula πr^2h which I can't have thought about for 50 years. I was dead pleased.TheValiant said:The funny thing about maths is that before University I used to love it.
Did it at GCSEs and then A-levels. Stormed it. A* or 9s or whatever they call them these days, at both GCSE and A levels.
However, I didn't want to continue it at University. I wanted a career that involved lots of maths.
So I became an accountant......
Accountancy has nothing to do with maths, at all. Outside of adding and subtracting I never use maths.
It's all about ensuring that Debits are either an expense or asset as the client wants, or that Credits are revenue or liabilities, again as the client wants.
Not a single bit of maths in my job...... very strange.
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Someone with vague intelligence links told me last night that the British were behind the Nord Stream pipeline sabotage.
I’m only offering it here because this particular source does occasionally uncover genuine intel.0 -
The point is that teaching it solely through the prism of identity politics introduces a bias into it, in the same way it would to teach it solely through a Whig one or a Marxist one.Endillion said:
If the argument is that schoolchild in the world should learn world history, and end up with relatively similar curricula across countries, then fair enough. It's not a view I agree with, but it's certainly defensible.Casino_Royale said:
History is the summation of the whole human story to date - taught in our islands should have a particular focus on British history because that's where we live and it explains our institutions and values and how we got here. It should not be taught solely through the prism of gender, race and sexuality - as the Woke would have it.beinndearg said:
Sure, but your world picture has to explain the "utter idiocy of the marxist Left on history" if that is a major facet of our modern world to you (and it clearly is).Casino_Royale said:
Yup, such nonsense very neatly describes the utter idiocy of the marxist Left on history.beinndearg said:
I would have thought that intercontinental interactions are what shape and explain our world. Narrow focus UK and Europe history boil down to a bunch of repetitive parochial spats between posh rich whiteys using the poor as pawns. Looked at from far enough out.AlistairM said:
A few weeks ago my 13yo daughter was struggling on the conclusion for her history homework. It was about the civil rights movement in the US. She'd done some Googling but hadn't made much progress. I decided to fire up Chat GPT and decided to ask it the question that she'd been asked to answer and prompted for an A4 page response (the length she was expected to give). The response it gave was very plausible. We kept all the work that she'd used up to then but used its conclusion to help her write her own final paragraph. I suspect we could have copied and pasted the entire response and the teacher would never have known.Leon said:Am I the only sane person on here? AI is clearly going to revolutionise education. But it won’t all be bad. Teaching will be easier:
“Still think ChatGPT is bad for education?
I just gave it a mark scheme and a sample student answer from an AQA GCSE English Language paper.
Look what happened 👇
*Spoiler: It marked it accurately in seconds*
#education #edutwitter #edtech #AI”
https://twitter.com/danfitztweets/status/1609675061211930625?s=46&t=5D3OrwpAXOPOwYLcHjcJzg
And kids all over the world can get one-to-one tuition
“The one thing we know works for education is 1-1 tutoring vs one-to-many classroom
1-1 tutoring with humans for everyone is economically infeasible
But the promise of AI and ChatGPT systems will be 1-1 tutoring for everyone in the world”
https://twitter.com/alexandr_wang/status/1608996309897465856?s=46&t=5D3OrwpAXOPOwYLcHjcJzg
But be in no doubt, the Revolution is here
“Forget year in review: lets talk about how technology transformed education in the last MONTH thanks to ChatGPT
💥How to use it to educate: oneusefulthing.substack.com/p/how-to-use-a…
👨🏫Automating my job as a professor: oneusefulthing.substack.com/p/the-mechanic…
🤖How my students are using it: oneusefulthing.substack.com/p/the-street-f…
https://twitter.com/emollick/status/1608814300805861377?s=46&t=5D3OrwpAXOPOwYLcHjcJzg
As an aside she is taught almost exclusively about "diverse" history and knows very little of British or European history. I find it very sad that children seem to know only small amounts of history on the island which they live.
And what utter bollocks it is.
I will send my children to schools that teach it properly or otherwise privately tutor them myself.
A spectre is haunting casinoRoyaleville; the spectre of Woke. Is Woke itself better explained by various facets of intercontinental trade and war, or by whether Philip of Anjou edged it on penalties over Charles of Austria?
One day lesser minds, like yours, will come round to this, but for now it's far easier for you to be a dumb sheep.
However, in practice I suspect that most proponents of teaching "diverse" history in the UK would baulk at the teaching of, say, the Napoleonic Wars in a Nigerian school, as "colonialist".
It should focus on a factual story of the major events that got us to where we are today, triangulated to the broader context in the wider world, and encourage children to interpret and challenge primary and secondary sources themselves to figure it out.
The heavy focus on the Tudors, as opposed to the Civil War, I find a bit weird - to be honest. We were a republic for nearly 11 years, and then exported the religious puritans to New England, helping to spawn America and how it is today, and that feels just as significant - if not more so.1 -
LolGardenwalker said:Someone with vague intelligence links told me last night that the British were behind the Nord Stream pipeline sabotage.
I’m only offering it here because this particular source does occasionally uncover genuine intel.0 -
I was taught very little British history, but now I know quite a lot.
How much does all this matter REALLY?0 -
The weakness of the Union Jack point is that there ain't no black in most flags. Only 13 out of 45 African nations by the look of it.Casino_Royale said:
I went to state sixth form college, my sister went to stste schools throughout her childhood and my nephews both went there.Nigelb said:
How much practical experience of the current state system do you have ?Casino_Royale said:
Yup, such nonsense very neatly describes the utter idiocy of the marxist Left on history.beinndearg said:
I would have thought that intercontinental interactions are what shape and explain our world. Narrow focus UK and Europe history boil down to a bunch of repetitive parochial spats between posh rich whiteys using the poor as pawns. Looked at from far enough out.AlistairM said:
A few weeks ago my 13yo daughter was struggling on the conclusion for her history homework. It was about the civil rights movement in the US. She'd done some Googling but hadn't made much progress. I decided to fire up Chat GPT and decided to ask it the question that she'd been asked to answer and prompted for an A4 page response (the length she was expected to give). The response it gave was very plausible. We kept all the work that she'd used up to then but used its conclusion to help her write her own final paragraph. I suspect we could have copied and pasted the entire response and the teacher would never have known.Leon said:Am I the only sane person on here? AI is clearly going to revolutionise education. But it won’t all be bad. Teaching will be easier:
“Still think ChatGPT is bad for education?
I just gave it a mark scheme and a sample student answer from an AQA GCSE English Language paper.
Look what happened 👇
*Spoiler: It marked it accurately in seconds*
#education #edutwitter #edtech #AI”
https://twitter.com/danfitztweets/status/1609675061211930625?s=46&t=5D3OrwpAXOPOwYLcHjcJzg
And kids all over the world can get one-to-one tuition
“The one thing we know works for education is 1-1 tutoring vs one-to-many classroom
1-1 tutoring with humans for everyone is economically infeasible
But the promise of AI and ChatGPT systems will be 1-1 tutoring for everyone in the world”
https://twitter.com/alexandr_wang/status/1608996309897465856?s=46&t=5D3OrwpAXOPOwYLcHjcJzg
But be in no doubt, the Revolution is here
“Forget year in review: lets talk about how technology transformed education in the last MONTH thanks to ChatGPT
💥How to use it to educate: oneusefulthing.substack.com/p/how-to-use-a…
👨🏫Automating my job as a professor: oneusefulthing.substack.com/p/the-mechanic…
🤖How my students are using it: oneusefulthing.substack.com/p/the-street-f…
https://twitter.com/emollick/status/1608814300805861377?s=46&t=5D3OrwpAXOPOwYLcHjcJzg
As an aside she is taught almost exclusively about "diverse" history and knows very little of British or European history. I find it very sad that children seem to know only small amounts of history on the island which they live.
And what utter bollocks it is.
I will send my children to schools that teach it properly or otherwise privately tutor them myself.
I am also familiar with the curriculums taught locally. My ex-girlfriend also attended a history lessons during her PCGE course at a Southampton comprehensive entitled "there ain't no black in the union jack".
I am done with denialism and whataboutery on this. IT IS A PROBLEM.
The question is what we do about it so we don't radicalise and indoctrinate future generations.
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That's shocking. No standards nowadays. Should be: "there isn't any black in the union jack".Casino_Royale said:
I went to state sixth form college, my sister went to stste schools throughout her childhood and my nephews both went there.Nigelb said:
How much practical experience of the current state system do you have ?Casino_Royale said:
Yup, such nonsense very neatly describes the utter idiocy of the marxist Left on history.beinndearg said:
I would have thought that intercontinental interactions are what shape and explain our world. Narrow focus UK and Europe history boil down to a bunch of repetitive parochial spats between posh rich whiteys using the poor as pawns. Looked at from far enough out.AlistairM said:
A few weeks ago my 13yo daughter was struggling on the conclusion for her history homework. It was about the civil rights movement in the US. She'd done some Googling but hadn't made much progress. I decided to fire up Chat GPT and decided to ask it the question that she'd been asked to answer and prompted for an A4 page response (the length she was expected to give). The response it gave was very plausible. We kept all the work that she'd used up to then but used its conclusion to help her write her own final paragraph. I suspect we could have copied and pasted the entire response and the teacher would never have known.Leon said:Am I the only sane person on here? AI is clearly going to revolutionise education. But it won’t all be bad. Teaching will be easier:
“Still think ChatGPT is bad for education?
I just gave it a mark scheme and a sample student answer from an AQA GCSE English Language paper.
Look what happened 👇
*Spoiler: It marked it accurately in seconds*
#education #edutwitter #edtech #AI”
https://twitter.com/danfitztweets/status/1609675061211930625?s=46&t=5D3OrwpAXOPOwYLcHjcJzg
And kids all over the world can get one-to-one tuition
“The one thing we know works for education is 1-1 tutoring vs one-to-many classroom
1-1 tutoring with humans for everyone is economically infeasible
But the promise of AI and ChatGPT systems will be 1-1 tutoring for everyone in the world”
https://twitter.com/alexandr_wang/status/1608996309897465856?s=46&t=5D3OrwpAXOPOwYLcHjcJzg
But be in no doubt, the Revolution is here
“Forget year in review: lets talk about how technology transformed education in the last MONTH thanks to ChatGPT
💥How to use it to educate: oneusefulthing.substack.com/p/how-to-use-a…
👨🏫Automating my job as a professor: oneusefulthing.substack.com/p/the-mechanic…
🤖How my students are using it: oneusefulthing.substack.com/p/the-street-f…
https://twitter.com/emollick/status/1608814300805861377?s=46&t=5D3OrwpAXOPOwYLcHjcJzg
As an aside she is taught almost exclusively about "diverse" history and knows very little of British or European history. I find it very sad that children seem to know only small amounts of history on the island which they live.
And what utter bollocks it is.
I will send my children to schools that teach it properly or otherwise privately tutor them myself.
I am also familiar with the curriculums taught locally. My ex-girlfriend also attended a history lessons during her PCGE course at a Southampton comprehensive entitled "there ain't no black in the union jack".
I am done with denialism and whataboutery on this. IT IS A PROBLEM.
The question is what we do about it so we don't radicalise and indoctrinate future generations.
ETA: The substantive point about colour is valid though - black should be in there - and yellow. All the other nations' patron saints get their flags incorporated.0 -
At a certain point in the future PB will reach the “Leon Singularity” when you all realise that Leon was Right About Everything0
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Interesting. And reassuring.Gardenwalker said:My kids’ school in New York appears to draw parents trying to escape the woke invasion of private schools here.
The place is blissfully normal, and nobody cares about critical race theory. Having said that, the nativity play did feature some kind of Kwanza interlude.
Just to be clear: I don't want to set up a false dichotomy here, although I bet I will be accused of it.
I am not arguing that women's rights, civil rights, slavery etc. should not be covered in history lessons - quite the opposite.
I am arguing that should not be the prism solely through which all history is taught, and it should always be put in the context of the times.3 -
Yes, I learned almost no English history at all at school. I only know about the Tudors thanks to Wolf Hall and Six.Gardenwalker said:I was taught very little British history, but now I know quite a lot.
How much does all this matter REALLY?0 -
Should I point out the obvious that the colours in a nation's flag are not intended to reflect skin colour?beinndearg said:
The weakness of the Union Jack point is that there ain't no black in most flags. Only 13 out of 45 African nations by the look of it.Casino_Royale said:
I went to state sixth form college, my sister went to stste schools throughout her childhood and my nephews both went there.Nigelb said:
How much practical experience of the current state system do you have ?Casino_Royale said:
Yup, such nonsense very neatly describes the utter idiocy of the marxist Left on history.beinndearg said:
I would have thought that intercontinental interactions are what shape and explain our world. Narrow focus UK and Europe history boil down to a bunch of repetitive parochial spats between posh rich whiteys using the poor as pawns. Looked at from far enough out.AlistairM said:
A few weeks ago my 13yo daughter was struggling on the conclusion for her history homework. It was about the civil rights movement in the US. She'd done some Googling but hadn't made much progress. I decided to fire up Chat GPT and decided to ask it the question that she'd been asked to answer and prompted for an A4 page response (the length she was expected to give). The response it gave was very plausible. We kept all the work that she'd used up to then but used its conclusion to help her write her own final paragraph. I suspect we could have copied and pasted the entire response and the teacher would never have known.Leon said:Am I the only sane person on here? AI is clearly going to revolutionise education. But it won’t all be bad. Teaching will be easier:
“Still think ChatGPT is bad for education?
I just gave it a mark scheme and a sample student answer from an AQA GCSE English Language paper.
Look what happened 👇
*Spoiler: It marked it accurately in seconds*
#education #edutwitter #edtech #AI”
https://twitter.com/danfitztweets/status/1609675061211930625?s=46&t=5D3OrwpAXOPOwYLcHjcJzg
And kids all over the world can get one-to-one tuition
“The one thing we know works for education is 1-1 tutoring vs one-to-many classroom
1-1 tutoring with humans for everyone is economically infeasible
But the promise of AI and ChatGPT systems will be 1-1 tutoring for everyone in the world”
https://twitter.com/alexandr_wang/status/1608996309897465856?s=46&t=5D3OrwpAXOPOwYLcHjcJzg
But be in no doubt, the Revolution is here
“Forget year in review: lets talk about how technology transformed education in the last MONTH thanks to ChatGPT
💥How to use it to educate: oneusefulthing.substack.com/p/how-to-use-a…
👨🏫Automating my job as a professor: oneusefulthing.substack.com/p/the-mechanic…
🤖How my students are using it: oneusefulthing.substack.com/p/the-street-f…
https://twitter.com/emollick/status/1608814300805861377?s=46&t=5D3OrwpAXOPOwYLcHjcJzg
As an aside she is taught almost exclusively about "diverse" history and knows very little of British or European history. I find it very sad that children seem to know only small amounts of history on the island which they live.
And what utter bollocks it is.
I will send my children to schools that teach it properly or otherwise privately tutor them myself.
I am also familiar with the curriculums taught locally. My ex-girlfriend also attended a history lessons during her PCGE course at a Southampton comprehensive entitled "there ain't no black in the union jack".
I am done with denialism and whataboutery on this. IT IS A PROBLEM.
The question is what we do about it so we don't radicalise and indoctrinate future generations.0 -
Yes, it’s a definite problem and it’s a problem in London as much as anywhereCasino_Royale said:
I went to state sixth form college, my sister went to stste schools throughout her childhood and my nephews both went there.Nigelb said:
How much practical experience of the current state system do you have ?Casino_Royale said:
Yup, such nonsense very neatly describes the utter idiocy of the marxist Left on history.beinndearg said:
I would have thought that intercontinental interactions are what shape and explain our world. Narrow focus UK and Europe history boil down to a bunch of repetitive parochial spats between posh rich whiteys using the poor as pawns. Looked at from far enough out.AlistairM said:
A few weeks ago my 13yo daughter was struggling on the conclusion for her history homework. It was about the civil rights movement in the US. She'd done some Googling but hadn't made much progress. I decided to fire up Chat GPT and decided to ask it the question that she'd been asked to answer and prompted for an A4 page response (the length she was expected to give). The response it gave was very plausible. We kept all the work that she'd used up to then but used its conclusion to help her write her own final paragraph. I suspect we could have copied and pasted the entire response and the teacher would never have known.Leon said:Am I the only sane person on here? AI is clearly going to revolutionise education. But it won’t all be bad. Teaching will be easier:
“Still think ChatGPT is bad for education?
I just gave it a mark scheme and a sample student answer from an AQA GCSE English Language paper.
Look what happened 👇
*Spoiler: It marked it accurately in seconds*
#education #edutwitter #edtech #AI”
https://twitter.com/danfitztweets/status/1609675061211930625?s=46&t=5D3OrwpAXOPOwYLcHjcJzg
And kids all over the world can get one-to-one tuition
“The one thing we know works for education is 1-1 tutoring vs one-to-many classroom
1-1 tutoring with humans for everyone is economically infeasible
But the promise of AI and ChatGPT systems will be 1-1 tutoring for everyone in the world”
https://twitter.com/alexandr_wang/status/1608996309897465856?s=46&t=5D3OrwpAXOPOwYLcHjcJzg
But be in no doubt, the Revolution is here
“Forget year in review: lets talk about how technology transformed education in the last MONTH thanks to ChatGPT
💥How to use it to educate: oneusefulthing.substack.com/p/how-to-use-a…
👨🏫Automating my job as a professor: oneusefulthing.substack.com/p/the-mechanic…
🤖How my students are using it: oneusefulthing.substack.com/p/the-street-f…
https://twitter.com/emollick/status/1608814300805861377?s=46&t=5D3OrwpAXOPOwYLcHjcJzg
As an aside she is taught almost exclusively about "diverse" history and knows very little of British or European history. I find it very sad that children seem to know only small amounts of history on the island which they live.
And what utter bollocks it is.
I will send my children to schools that teach it properly or otherwise privately tutor them myself.
I am also familiar with the curriculums taught locally. My ex-girlfriend also attended a history lessons during her PCGE course at a Southampton comprehensive entitled "there ain't no black in the union jack".
I am done with denialism and whataboutery on this. IT IS A PROBLEM.
The question is what we do about it so we don't radicalise and indoctrinate future generations.
At the age of 15 my eldest was well schooled on every possible significant black figure in British history - I never want to hear the words Mary Seacole again - but she did not know much at all about the Battle of Hastings. She vaguely knew it was important. Didn’t really know who was fighting. Or who won
And she’s smart1 -
So Liz Truss' second lasting legacy?Gardenwalker said:Someone with vague intelligence links told me last night that the British were behind the Nord Stream pipeline sabotage.
I’m only offering it here because this particular source does occasionally uncover genuine intel.0 -
Not the same secondary school, but my son has friends there.OnlyLivingBoy said:
Aren't we almost neighbours and might therefore be talking about the same secondary school (located in SE14)?TimS said:
Same at our local school. The bloody Tudors, the Victorian era, WW1 and 2, then at secondary school it's 1066, and yet more world war stuff. They learn about slavery and African kingdoms and a tiny bit about the empire.OnlyLivingBoy said:
It's just not my experience, that's all. Our kids learn about the Tudors and 20th century European history, mainly. The school has started to teach about West African kingdoms, too, which I think is a good thing, a teacher at the school helped to develop the curriculum so it is very well taught and sounds extremely interesting. My son was really engaged by it.Casino_Royale said:
And, we keep being told that such Woke agendas in education don't exist and that such agendas are totally fabricated; a fantasy in the minds of "reactionaries".AlistairM said:
A few weeks ago my 13yo daughter was struggling on the conclusion for her history homework. It was about the civil rights movement in the US. She'd done some Googling but hadn't made much progress. I decided to fire up Chat GPT and decided to ask it the question that she'd been asked to answer and prompted for an A4 page response (the length she was expected to give). The response it gave was very plausible. We kept all the work that she'd used up to then but used its conclusion to help her write her own final paragraph. I suspect we could have copied and pasted the entire response and the teacher would never have known.Leon said:Am I the only sane person on here? AI is clearly going to revolutionise education. But it won’t all be bad. Teaching will be easier:
“Still think ChatGPT is bad for education?
I just gave it a mark scheme and a sample student answer from an AQA GCSE English Language paper.
Look what happened 👇
*Spoiler: It marked it accurately in seconds*
#education #edutwitter #edtech #AI”
https://twitter.com/danfitztweets/status/1609675061211930625?s=46&t=5D3OrwpAXOPOwYLcHjcJzg
And kids all over the world can get one-to-one tuition
“The one thing we know works for education is 1-1 tutoring vs one-to-many classroom
1-1 tutoring with humans for everyone is economically infeasible
But the promise of AI and ChatGPT systems will be 1-1 tutoring for everyone in the world”
https://twitter.com/alexandr_wang/status/1608996309897465856?s=46&t=5D3OrwpAXOPOwYLcHjcJzg
But be in no doubt, the Revolution is here
“Forget year in review: lets talk about how technology transformed education in the last MONTH thanks to ChatGPT
💥How to use it to educate: oneusefulthing.substack.com/p/how-to-use-a…
👨🏫Automating my job as a professor: oneusefulthing.substack.com/p/the-mechanic…
🤖How my students are using it: oneusefulthing.substack.com/p/the-street-f…
https://twitter.com/emollick/status/1608814300805861377?s=46&t=5D3OrwpAXOPOwYLcHjcJzg
As an aside she is taught almost exclusively about "diverse" history and knows very little of British or European history. I find it very sad that children seem to know only small amounts of history on the island which they live.
It's almost as if they don't want us to challenge it.
What you get none of - and we had almost none of in my time either - is wider European history. Has the typical year 11 student any concept of who Charlemagne was, or the 30 years war, or the Moorish conquests or Mongol invasions, do they know Germany and Italy used to be clusters of tiny kingdoms and principalities or that there used to be these two massive empires within Ryanair distance of us run by the Habsburgs and the Ottomans? No, they know about Henry the 8th, Hitler and the Nazis and William the Conqueror. If they're lucky they might heave heard a passing reference to the French and Russian revolutions and learned about the Battle of Trafalgar.
I forgot to mention the plague and the great fire of London. They definitely get lots of that.1 -
I think he's winding you up. "Lived" experience is the clue.Casino_Royale said:
Apologies. I forgot it was entirely futile engaging with you on this subject.OnlyLivingBoy said:
I don't want to negate your lived experience, I'm just offering my own as a counterpoint. The forces of woke are obviously more active in Hampshire than in Inner London - who knew?Casino_Royale said:
That isn't, but there's an increasing focus in some educational institutions to teach history almost solely through the prism of identity politics, as the post of @AlistairM demonstrates. I also encountered it myself at my daughter's previous school, so I withdrew her.BartholomewRoberts said:
My kids learn English history too. Last term included the Great Fire of London and the Plague.OnlyLivingBoy said:
It's just not my experience, that's all. Our kids learn about the Tudors and 20th century European history, mainly. The school has started to teach about West African kingdoms, too, which I think is a good thing, a teacher at the school helped to develop the curriculum so it is very well taught and sounds extremely interesting. My son was really engaged by it.Casino_Royale said:
And, we keep being told that such Woke agendas in education don't exist and that such agendas are totally fabricated; a fantasy in the minds of "reactionaries".AlistairM said:
A few weeks ago my 13yo daughter was struggling on the conclusion for her history homework. It was about the civil rights movement in the US. She'd done some Googling but hadn't made much progress. I decided to fire up Chat GPT and decided to ask it the question that she'd been asked to answer and prompted for an A4 page response (the length she was expected to give). The response it gave was very plausible. We kept all the work that she'd used up to then but used its conclusion to help her write her own final paragraph. I suspect we could have copied and pasted the entire response and the teacher would never have known.Leon said:Am I the only sane person on here? AI is clearly going to revolutionise education. But it won’t all be bad. Teaching will be easier:
“Still think ChatGPT is bad for education?
I just gave it a mark scheme and a sample student answer from an AQA GCSE English Language paper.
Look what happened 👇
*Spoiler: It marked it accurately in seconds*
#education #edutwitter #edtech #AI”
https://twitter.com/danfitztweets/status/1609675061211930625?s=46&t=5D3OrwpAXOPOwYLcHjcJzg
And kids all over the world can get one-to-one tuition
“The one thing we know works for education is 1-1 tutoring vs one-to-many classroom
1-1 tutoring with humans for everyone is economically infeasible
But the promise of AI and ChatGPT systems will be 1-1 tutoring for everyone in the world”
https://twitter.com/alexandr_wang/status/1608996309897465856?s=46&t=5D3OrwpAXOPOwYLcHjcJzg
But be in no doubt, the Revolution is here
“Forget year in review: lets talk about how technology transformed education in the last MONTH thanks to ChatGPT
💥How to use it to educate: oneusefulthing.substack.com/p/how-to-use-a…
👨🏫Automating my job as a professor: oneusefulthing.substack.com/p/the-mechanic…
🤖How my students are using it: oneusefulthing.substack.com/p/the-street-f…
https://twitter.com/emollick/status/1608814300805861377?s=46&t=5D3OrwpAXOPOwYLcHjcJzg
As an aside she is taught almost exclusively about "diverse" history and knows very little of British or European history. I find it very sad that children seem to know only small amounts of history on the island which they live.
It's almost as if they don't want us to challenge it.
Not sure what is woke or rewriting history there?
We shouldn't deny this is a problem.4 -
I'm not sure that AI will do much to improve education, although it may help to cut costs a bit.dixiedean said:
So there will still be a teacher then?Leon said:This is what teaching will be like in about ten years. Remember you read it here first
Teachers will basically be supervisors, no more, no less. Just maintaining discipline and maybe framing the work
Teacher Pointless will stand there and say “OK, English” then screens will rise in front of every child. And a friendly avatar of a human, Miss AI Perfect, will speak directly to each child via translucent EarPods: “good morning Jonny do you remember what you and me were doing yesterday, let’s go over it. I recall you were curious about the sonnets, here’s another one we can analyse”
The education will be perfectly tailored to the needs and skills of each child. No more one speed learning for an entire class. Every child with its own tutor. Magical. There probably won’t be any homework
And "just maintaining discipline" and "Pointless" reveals a lack of much experience of a class of 14 year olds.
What if Johnny says "English? Fuck off I'm playing Fortnite?"
My sister (a civil servant) did quite a lot of looking at education stats as part of a "policy based evidence making" excersise for one of the devolved administrations - she had a massive dataset of virtually every child in the relevant area, with info on their schooling, home life, educational results etc. She said that the only meaningful statistical effects were from when you controlled for things which were effectively proxies for parental interest and involvement, and a stable home life - everything else was just noise.
Unfortunately, poor parenting is quite difficult to overcome, and the government has virtually nothing they can do to help.1 -
Mr. Walker, when you have some vocal but ill-informed people with a fixation on the evil British slavers it does matter.
See also the Woman King (believe that's the film's name), in which a kingdom of black African slavers are portrayed positively and evil Europeans, who at the time were trying to end slavery, are villainous.
As a side note, one black actress seemingly pulled out of the project when she realised it was not merely inaccurate historically but diametrically opposed to reality.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Woman_King#Historical_accuracy0 -
I remember kids at primary school singing the song (second line - "so join the national front") back in the halcyon days before the woke thought police had got to work on them.Stocky said:
Should I point out the obvious that the colours in a nation's flag are not intended to reflect skin colour?beinndearg said:
The weakness of the Union Jack point is that there ain't no black in most flags. Only 13 out of 45 African nations by the look of it.Casino_Royale said:
I went to state sixth form college, my sister went to stste schools throughout her childhood and my nephews both went there.Nigelb said:
How much practical experience of the current state system do you have ?Casino_Royale said:
Yup, such nonsense very neatly describes the utter idiocy of the marxist Left on history.beinndearg said:
I would have thought that intercontinental interactions are what shape and explain our world. Narrow focus UK and Europe history boil down to a bunch of repetitive parochial spats between posh rich whiteys using the poor as pawns. Looked at from far enough out.AlistairM said:
A few weeks ago my 13yo daughter was struggling on the conclusion for her history homework. It was about the civil rights movement in the US. She'd done some Googling but hadn't made much progress. I decided to fire up Chat GPT and decided to ask it the question that she'd been asked to answer and prompted for an A4 page response (the length she was expected to give). The response it gave was very plausible. We kept all the work that she'd used up to then but used its conclusion to help her write her own final paragraph. I suspect we could have copied and pasted the entire response and the teacher would never have known.Leon said:Am I the only sane person on here? AI is clearly going to revolutionise education. But it won’t all be bad. Teaching will be easier:
“Still think ChatGPT is bad for education?
I just gave it a mark scheme and a sample student answer from an AQA GCSE English Language paper.
Look what happened 👇
*Spoiler: It marked it accurately in seconds*
#education #edutwitter #edtech #AI”
https://twitter.com/danfitztweets/status/1609675061211930625?s=46&t=5D3OrwpAXOPOwYLcHjcJzg
And kids all over the world can get one-to-one tuition
“The one thing we know works for education is 1-1 tutoring vs one-to-many classroom
1-1 tutoring with humans for everyone is economically infeasible
But the promise of AI and ChatGPT systems will be 1-1 tutoring for everyone in the world”
https://twitter.com/alexandr_wang/status/1608996309897465856?s=46&t=5D3OrwpAXOPOwYLcHjcJzg
But be in no doubt, the Revolution is here
“Forget year in review: lets talk about how technology transformed education in the last MONTH thanks to ChatGPT
💥How to use it to educate: oneusefulthing.substack.com/p/how-to-use-a…
👨🏫Automating my job as a professor: oneusefulthing.substack.com/p/the-mechanic…
🤖How my students are using it: oneusefulthing.substack.com/p/the-street-f…
https://twitter.com/emollick/status/1608814300805861377?s=46&t=5D3OrwpAXOPOwYLcHjcJzg
As an aside she is taught almost exclusively about "diverse" history and knows very little of British or European history. I find it very sad that children seem to know only small amounts of history on the island which they live.
And what utter bollocks it is.
I will send my children to schools that teach it properly or otherwise privately tutor them myself.
I am also familiar with the curriculums taught locally. My ex-girlfriend also attended a history lessons during her PCGE course at a Southampton comprehensive entitled "there ain't no black in the union jack".
I am done with denialism and whataboutery on this. IT IS A PROBLEM.
The question is what we do about it so we don't radicalise and indoctrinate future generations.0 -
Some of the posters on here would be very heavily hit by a robot tax.HYUFD said:
In which case all but the top 1% most creative and innovative and skilled will be out of work in most fields.Leon said:
Mate, I wish that were true. I fear it is notHYUFD said:
If AI makes most STEM, finance, accountancy, law jobs redundant that will change.Leon said:
I don’t disagree at all. The problem is going to be persuading the kids to learn when it becomes evermore pointless and doesn’t help them get work, as all knowledge work is automatedTOPPING said:
For 85% of people reading A Portrait of the Artist is pointless but it's still worth equipping as many people as possible with the tools to do so in a civilised society.Leon said:A reminder: Only 15% of the population have an IQ level of 115 or above. An IQ above 115 is considered to be a 'High IQ'
For 85% of people advanced maths is simply pointless. They can’t do it and, besides, they have a tiny brilliant machine that can solve all practical daily maths questions, anyway
Soon they will have a new machine which they won’t even require numbers. You’ll just ask it the query “what is a third of a third”
Kids are already fleeing the Humanities for this exact reason: these degrees don’t lead to jobs
https://www.latimes.com/opinion/story/2022-10-24/college-humanities-decline
The few jobs left will be the most creative ones machines can't do, which humanities teach
GPT3.5 is already churning out pretty good creative writing - poetry, stories. SDiffusion and DALL-E2 are producing some notable art (which is being used commercially already)
In 2 or 3 iterations (3-5 years?) they will be as good at the best creative stuff as almost any human. In ten years unimaginably better than any human
Tiny arguments on Reddit will rage as to whether these machines are “truly” creative. It won’t matter, because the machines will simply be better, and we will avidly consume their creations
We then return to the inevitability of a universal basic income funded by a robot tax the more AI is used across sectors, whether creative arts, manufacturing, professional finance, accountancy and law or basic menial tasks0 -
That formula is easier to remember if you replace r with z, and h with a.beinndearg said:
Last year I was decanting paint, or something, and deployed irl and correctly, without googling, the formula πr^2h which I can't have thought about for 50 years. I was dead pleased.TheValiant said:The funny thing about maths is that before University I used to love it.
Did it at GCSEs and then A-levels. Stormed it. A* or 9s or whatever they call them these days, at both GCSE and A levels.
However, I didn't want to continue it at University. I wanted a career that involved lots of maths.
So I became an accountant......
Accountancy has nothing to do with maths, at all. Outside of adding and subtracting I never use maths.
It's all about ensuring that Debits are either an expense or asset as the client wants, or that Credits are revenue or liabilities, again as the client wants.
Not a single bit of maths in my job...... very strange.
Then the formula is pi.z.z.a1 -
It might help your argument if you could provide examples of these new jobsBartholomewRoberts said:
Then why do we have full employment? 🤦♂️HYUFD said:
What new jobs are going to be created then the average IQ person, not especially creative can do which AI can't do? Let alone for those of below average IQ?BartholomewRoberts said:
That's Luddite bullshit.HYUFD said:
In which case all but the top 1% most creative and innovative and skilled will be out of work in most fields.Leon said:
Mate, I wish that were true. I fear it is notHYUFD said:
If AI makes most STEM, finance, accountancy, law jobs redundant that will change.Leon said:
I don’t disagree at all. The problem is going to be persuading the kids to learn when it becomes evermore pointless and doesn’t help them get work, as all knowledge work is automatedTOPPING said:
For 85% of people reading A Portrait of the Artist is pointless but it's still worth equipping as many people as possible with the tools to do so in a civilised society.Leon said:A reminder: Only 15% of the population have an IQ level of 115 or above. An IQ above 115 is considered to be a 'High IQ'
For 85% of people advanced maths is simply pointless. They can’t do it and, besides, they have a tiny brilliant machine that can solve all practical daily maths questions, anyway
Soon they will have a new machine which they won’t even require numbers. You’ll just ask it the query “what is a third of a third”
Kids are already fleeing the Humanities for this exact reason: these degrees don’t lead to jobs
https://www.latimes.com/opinion/story/2022-10-24/college-humanities-decline
The few jobs left will be the most creative ones machines can't do, which humanities teach
GPT3.5 is already churning out pretty good creative writing - poetry, stories. SDiffusion and DALL-E2 are producing some notable art (which is being used commercially already)
In 2 or 3 iterations (3-5 years?) they will be as good at the best creative stuff as almost any human. In ten years unimaginably better than any human
Tiny arguments on Reddit will rage as to whether these machines are “truly” creative. It won’t matter, because the machines will simply be better, and we will avidly consume their creations
We then return to the inevitability of a universal basic income funded by a robot tax the more AI is used across sectors, whether creative arts, manufacturing, professional finance, accountancy and law or basic menial tasks
As jobs are eliminated, new ones are created. People have ingenuity. We do different jobs than the past, but the idea of a jobless age has always been and always will be Dystopian SciFi bullshit.
There may still be permanent jobs for very high IQ, highly creative people but they are only a small minority
There's 300 years of history showing Luddidm is wrong. You're only limited by your own weak imagination.
People will use their ingenuity to create jobs and opportunities. Just as we always have done.0 -
You might ask why we don't teach children post-Second World War history yet. Up to 1989, perhaps.Casino_Royale said:
The point is that teaching it solely through the prism of identity politics introduces a bias into it, in the same way it would to teach it solely through a Whig one or a Marxist one.Endillion said:
If the argument is that schoolchild in the world should learn world history, and end up with relatively similar curricula across countries, then fair enough. It's not a view I agree with, but it's certainly defensible.Casino_Royale said:
History is the summation of the whole human story to date - taught in our islands should have a particular focus on British history because that's where we live and it explains our institutions and values and how we got here. It should not be taught solely through the prism of gender, race and sexuality - as the Woke would have it.beinndearg said:
Sure, but your world picture has to explain the "utter idiocy of the marxist Left on history" if that is a major facet of our modern world to you (and it clearly is).Casino_Royale said:
Yup, such nonsense very neatly describes the utter idiocy of the marxist Left on history.beinndearg said:
I would have thought that intercontinental interactions are what shape and explain our world. Narrow focus UK and Europe history boil down to a bunch of repetitive parochial spats between posh rich whiteys using the poor as pawns. Looked at from far enough out.AlistairM said:
A few weeks ago my 13yo daughter was struggling on the conclusion for her history homework. It was about the civil rights movement in the US. She'd done some Googling but hadn't made much progress. I decided to fire up Chat GPT and decided to ask it the question that she'd been asked to answer and prompted for an A4 page response (the length she was expected to give). The response it gave was very plausible. We kept all the work that she'd used up to then but used its conclusion to help her write her own final paragraph. I suspect we could have copied and pasted the entire response and the teacher would never have known.Leon said:Am I the only sane person on here? AI is clearly going to revolutionise education. But it won’t all be bad. Teaching will be easier:
“Still think ChatGPT is bad for education?
I just gave it a mark scheme and a sample student answer from an AQA GCSE English Language paper.
Look what happened 👇
*Spoiler: It marked it accurately in seconds*
#education #edutwitter #edtech #AI”
https://twitter.com/danfitztweets/status/1609675061211930625?s=46&t=5D3OrwpAXOPOwYLcHjcJzg
And kids all over the world can get one-to-one tuition
“The one thing we know works for education is 1-1 tutoring vs one-to-many classroom
1-1 tutoring with humans for everyone is economically infeasible
But the promise of AI and ChatGPT systems will be 1-1 tutoring for everyone in the world”
https://twitter.com/alexandr_wang/status/1608996309897465856?s=46&t=5D3OrwpAXOPOwYLcHjcJzg
But be in no doubt, the Revolution is here
“Forget year in review: lets talk about how technology transformed education in the last MONTH thanks to ChatGPT
💥How to use it to educate: oneusefulthing.substack.com/p/how-to-use-a…
👨🏫Automating my job as a professor: oneusefulthing.substack.com/p/the-mechanic…
🤖How my students are using it: oneusefulthing.substack.com/p/the-street-f…
https://twitter.com/emollick/status/1608814300805861377?s=46&t=5D3OrwpAXOPOwYLcHjcJzg
As an aside she is taught almost exclusively about "diverse" history and knows very little of British or European history. I find it very sad that children seem to know only small amounts of history on the island which they live.
And what utter bollocks it is.
I will send my children to schools that teach it properly or otherwise privately tutor them myself.
A spectre is haunting casinoRoyaleville; the spectre of Woke. Is Woke itself better explained by various facets of intercontinental trade and war, or by whether Philip of Anjou edged it on penalties over Charles of Austria?
One day lesser minds, like yours, will come round to this, but for now it's far easier for you to be a dumb sheep.
However, in practice I suspect that most proponents of teaching "diverse" history in the UK would baulk at the teaching of, say, the Napoleonic Wars in a Nigerian school, as "colonialist".
It should focus on a factual story of the major events that got us to where we are today, triangulated to the broader context in the wider world, and encourage children to interpret and challenge primary and secondary sources themselves to figure it out.
The heavy focus on the Tudors, as opposed to the Civil War, I find a bit weird - to be honest. We were a republic for nearly 11 years, and then exported the religious puritans to New England, helping to spawn America and how it is today, and that feels just as significant - if not more so.
The answer is that we're teaching foundational myths - and Elizabeth I and the Spanish Armada are better than Oliver Cromwell and our Protectorate period (even if he did lay the seeds for the Royal Navy and the defeat of the Dutch).0 -
I sort of thought that went without saying. OTOH it is presumably the thought behind There ain't no black...Stocky said:
Should I point out the obvious that the colours in a nation's flag are not intended to reflect skin colour?beinndearg said:
The weakness of the Union Jack point is that there ain't no black in most flags. Only 13 out of 45 African nations by the look of it.Casino_Royale said:
I went to state sixth form college, my sister went to stste schools throughout her childhood and my nephews both went there.Nigelb said:
How much practical experience of the current state system do you have ?Casino_Royale said:
Yup, such nonsense very neatly describes the utter idiocy of the marxist Left on history.beinndearg said:
I would have thought that intercontinental interactions are what shape and explain our world. Narrow focus UK and Europe history boil down to a bunch of repetitive parochial spats between posh rich whiteys using the poor as pawns. Looked at from far enough out.AlistairM said:
A few weeks ago my 13yo daughter was struggling on the conclusion for her history homework. It was about the civil rights movement in the US. She'd done some Googling but hadn't made much progress. I decided to fire up Chat GPT and decided to ask it the question that she'd been asked to answer and prompted for an A4 page response (the length she was expected to give). The response it gave was very plausible. We kept all the work that she'd used up to then but used its conclusion to help her write her own final paragraph. I suspect we could have copied and pasted the entire response and the teacher would never have known.Leon said:Am I the only sane person on here? AI is clearly going to revolutionise education. But it won’t all be bad. Teaching will be easier:
“Still think ChatGPT is bad for education?
I just gave it a mark scheme and a sample student answer from an AQA GCSE English Language paper.
Look what happened 👇
*Spoiler: It marked it accurately in seconds*
#education #edutwitter #edtech #AI”
https://twitter.com/danfitztweets/status/1609675061211930625?s=46&t=5D3OrwpAXOPOwYLcHjcJzg
And kids all over the world can get one-to-one tuition
“The one thing we know works for education is 1-1 tutoring vs one-to-many classroom
1-1 tutoring with humans for everyone is economically infeasible
But the promise of AI and ChatGPT systems will be 1-1 tutoring for everyone in the world”
https://twitter.com/alexandr_wang/status/1608996309897465856?s=46&t=5D3OrwpAXOPOwYLcHjcJzg
But be in no doubt, the Revolution is here
“Forget year in review: lets talk about how technology transformed education in the last MONTH thanks to ChatGPT
💥How to use it to educate: oneusefulthing.substack.com/p/how-to-use-a…
👨🏫Automating my job as a professor: oneusefulthing.substack.com/p/the-mechanic…
🤖How my students are using it: oneusefulthing.substack.com/p/the-street-f…
https://twitter.com/emollick/status/1608814300805861377?s=46&t=5D3OrwpAXOPOwYLcHjcJzg
As an aside she is taught almost exclusively about "diverse" history and knows very little of British or European history. I find it very sad that children seem to know only small amounts of history on the island which they live.
And what utter bollocks it is.
I will send my children to schools that teach it properly or otherwise privately tutor them myself.
I am also familiar with the curriculums taught locally. My ex-girlfriend also attended a history lessons during her PCGE course at a Southampton comprehensive entitled "there ain't no black in the union jack".
I am done with denialism and whataboutery on this. IT IS A PROBLEM.
The question is what we do about it so we don't radicalise and indoctrinate future generations.
For instance: The colors and symbols of the flag carry cultural, political, and regional meanings. The green alludes to the natural vegetation and "rich agricultural resources" of the country,[3][5] while black represents the Swahili people who are native to Tanzania.
but
The current flag of the Arab Republic of Egypt consists of red, white and black horizontal stripes. Red represents the sacrifices and blood of Egyptian martyrs, white symbolizes peace, black stands for the dark period of occupation, and the eagle represents strength and power.
ETA don't believe everything you read. Swahili is a language, not an ethnicity.1 -
My daughter is getting a lot of good stuff at state primary. And especially in the wider reading and watching she's encouraged to do with e.g. Horrible Histories (a magnificent resource), Time Team etc.OnlyLivingBoy said:
Aren't we almost neighbours and might therefore be talking about the same secondary school (located in SE14)?TimS said:
Same at our local school. The bloody Tudors, the Victorian era, WW1 and 2, then at secondary school it's 1066, and yet more world war stuff. They learn about slavery and African kingdoms and a tiny bit about the empire.OnlyLivingBoy said:
It's just not my experience, that's all. Our kids learn about the Tudors and 20th century European history, mainly. The school has started to teach about West African kingdoms, too, which I think is a good thing, a teacher at the school helped to develop the curriculum so it is very well taught and sounds extremely interesting. My son was really engaged by it.Casino_Royale said:
And, we keep being told that such Woke agendas in education don't exist and that such agendas are totally fabricated; a fantasy in the minds of "reactionaries".AlistairM said:
A few weeks ago my 13yo daughter was struggling on the conclusion for her history homework. It was about the civil rights movement in the US. She'd done some Googling but hadn't made much progress. I decided to fire up Chat GPT and decided to ask it the question that she'd been asked to answer and prompted for an A4 page response (the length she was expected to give). The response it gave was very plausible. We kept all the work that she'd used up to then but used its conclusion to help her write her own final paragraph. I suspect we could have copied and pasted the entire response and the teacher would never have known.Leon said:Am I the only sane person on here? AI is clearly going to revolutionise education. But it won’t all be bad. Teaching will be easier:
“Still think ChatGPT is bad for education?
I just gave it a mark scheme and a sample student answer from an AQA GCSE English Language paper.
Look what happened 👇
*Spoiler: It marked it accurately in seconds*
#education #edutwitter #edtech #AI”
https://twitter.com/danfitztweets/status/1609675061211930625?s=46&t=5D3OrwpAXOPOwYLcHjcJzg
And kids all over the world can get one-to-one tuition
“The one thing we know works for education is 1-1 tutoring vs one-to-many classroom
1-1 tutoring with humans for everyone is economically infeasible
But the promise of AI and ChatGPT systems will be 1-1 tutoring for everyone in the world”
https://twitter.com/alexandr_wang/status/1608996309897465856?s=46&t=5D3OrwpAXOPOwYLcHjcJzg
But be in no doubt, the Revolution is here
“Forget year in review: lets talk about how technology transformed education in the last MONTH thanks to ChatGPT
💥How to use it to educate: oneusefulthing.substack.com/p/how-to-use-a…
👨🏫Automating my job as a professor: oneusefulthing.substack.com/p/the-mechanic…
🤖How my students are using it: oneusefulthing.substack.com/p/the-street-f…
https://twitter.com/emollick/status/1608814300805861377?s=46&t=5D3OrwpAXOPOwYLcHjcJzg
As an aside she is taught almost exclusively about "diverse" history and knows very little of British or European history. I find it very sad that children seem to know only small amounts of history on the island which they live.
It's almost as if they don't want us to challenge it.
What you get none of - and we had almost none of in my time either - is wider European history. Has the typical year 11 student any concept of who Charlemagne was, or the 30 years war, or the Moorish conquests or Mongol invasions, do they know Germany and Italy used to be clusters of tiny kingdoms and principalities or that there used to be these two massive empires within Ryanair distance of us run by the Habsburgs and the Ottomans? No, they know about Henry the 8th, Hitler and the Nazis and William the Conqueror. If they're lucky they might heave heard a passing reference to the French and Russian revolutions and learned about the Battle of Trafalgar.
As always, the quality of education is heavily determined by the quality of school leadership and that of the individual teachers.1 -
What a very narrow education it would be only to be taught about Bosworth Field and Pudding Lane.0
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To a degree and it depends on the timescale.BartholomewRoberts said:
Then why do we have full employment? 🤦♂️HYUFD said:
What new jobs are going to be created then the average IQ person, not especially creative can do which AI can't do? Let alone for those of below average IQ?BartholomewRoberts said:
That's Luddite bullshit.HYUFD said:
In which case all but the top 1% most creative and innovative and skilled will be out of work in most fields.Leon said:
Mate, I wish that were true. I fear it is notHYUFD said:
If AI makes most STEM, finance, accountancy, law jobs redundant that will change.Leon said:
I don’t disagree at all. The problem is going to be persuading the kids to learn when it becomes evermore pointless and doesn’t help them get work, as all knowledge work is automatedTOPPING said:
For 85% of people reading A Portrait of the Artist is pointless but it's still worth equipping as many people as possible with the tools to do so in a civilised society.Leon said:A reminder: Only 15% of the population have an IQ level of 115 or above. An IQ above 115 is considered to be a 'High IQ'
For 85% of people advanced maths is simply pointless. They can’t do it and, besides, they have a tiny brilliant machine that can solve all practical daily maths questions, anyway
Soon they will have a new machine which they won’t even require numbers. You’ll just ask it the query “what is a third of a third”
Kids are already fleeing the Humanities for this exact reason: these degrees don’t lead to jobs
https://www.latimes.com/opinion/story/2022-10-24/college-humanities-decline
The few jobs left will be the most creative ones machines can't do, which humanities teach
GPT3.5 is already churning out pretty good creative writing - poetry, stories. SDiffusion and DALL-E2 are producing some notable art (which is being used commercially already)
In 2 or 3 iterations (3-5 years?) they will be as good at the best creative stuff as almost any human. In ten years unimaginably better than any human
Tiny arguments on Reddit will rage as to whether these machines are “truly” creative. It won’t matter, because the machines will simply be better, and we will avidly consume their creations
We then return to the inevitability of a universal basic income funded by a robot tax the more AI is used across sectors, whether creative arts, manufacturing, professional finance, accountancy and law or basic menial tasks
As jobs are eliminated, new ones are created. People have ingenuity. We do different jobs than the past, but the idea of a jobless age has always been and always will be Dystopian SciFi bullshit.
There may still be permanent jobs for very high IQ, highly creative people but they are only a small minority
There's 300 years of history showing Luddidm is wrong. You're only limited by your own weak imagination.
People will use their ingenuity to create jobs and opportunities. Just as we always have done.
The Luddites were right - from their own perspective. The Industrial Revolution did lead to a collapse in artisan wages, especially as employers designed factories based around child labour which was cheaper than skilled artisans.
Wages did - eventually - improve and new jobs were created but it took several decades for the effect to come through (eg factories required administration which required clerks etc).
When technological changes come and make people unemployed, there is not an automatic bank of jobs out there. Sure, people can set themselves up (I did) but the idea that people can switch seamlessly into jobs is a fallacy - there are switching costs for a reason.
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Yes and no.BartholomewRoberts said:
Then why do we have full employment? 🤦♂️HYUFD said:
What new jobs are going to be created then the average IQ person, not especially creative can do which AI can't do? Let alone for those of below average IQ?BartholomewRoberts said:
That's Luddite bullshit.HYUFD said:
In which case all but the top 1% most creative and innovative and skilled will be out of work in most fields.Leon said:
Mate, I wish that were true. I fear it is notHYUFD said:
If AI makes most STEM, finance, accountancy, law jobs redundant that will change.Leon said:
I don’t disagree at all. The problem is going to be persuading the kids to learn when it becomes evermore pointless and doesn’t help them get work, as all knowledge work is automatedTOPPING said:
For 85% of people reading A Portrait of the Artist is pointless but it's still worth equipping as many people as possible with the tools to do so in a civilised society.Leon said:A reminder: Only 15% of the population have an IQ level of 115 or above. An IQ above 115 is considered to be a 'High IQ'
For 85% of people advanced maths is simply pointless. They can’t do it and, besides, they have a tiny brilliant machine that can solve all practical daily maths questions, anyway
Soon they will have a new machine which they won’t even require numbers. You’ll just ask it the query “what is a third of a third”
Kids are already fleeing the Humanities for this exact reason: these degrees don’t lead to jobs
https://www.latimes.com/opinion/story/2022-10-24/college-humanities-decline
The few jobs left will be the most creative ones machines can't do, which humanities teach
GPT3.5 is already churning out pretty good creative writing - poetry, stories. SDiffusion and DALL-E2 are producing some notable art (which is being used commercially already)
In 2 or 3 iterations (3-5 years?) they will be as good at the best creative stuff as almost any human. In ten years unimaginably better than any human
Tiny arguments on Reddit will rage as to whether these machines are “truly” creative. It won’t matter, because the machines will simply be better, and we will avidly consume their creations
We then return to the inevitability of a universal basic income funded by a robot tax the more AI is used across sectors, whether creative arts, manufacturing, professional finance, accountancy and law or basic menial tasks
As jobs are eliminated, new ones are created. People have ingenuity. We do different jobs than the past, but the idea of a jobless age has always been and always will be Dystopian SciFi bullshit.
There may still be permanent jobs for very high IQ, highly creative people but they are only a small minority
There's 300 years of history showing Luddidm is wrong. You're only limited by your own weak imagination.
People will use their ingenuity to create jobs and opportunities. Just as we always have done.
In the 1800s, the average daily food intake in the UK was a bit less than 2500 calories and the UK's population was about 18 million. It was easy to see where the gains from automating agriculture went- feeding more people better.
But we're increasingly running out of material problems to solve. Going from a family living in a single room to a family in a house- definite gain in human happiness. From a house to a mansion- the gain is much more marginal.
Similarly, if all human creativity is online, there's a lot less scope for someone to make a living creating new stuff, because there's a lifetime's worth of good old stuff perfectly preserved. (Even if all AI does is index and remix all that old human creativity, that's still a challenge for new creators.)
And any niche that humans create has the potential to fill up again quickly.
Now this need not be a bad thing; scarcity sucks, work is pretty sucky for most (which is why we gave to pay people to do it). But properly abolishing scarcity does move us to a different bit of the economic graph, and it's one that may behave in disconcerting ways.1 -
Of all people to decry such an education.Leon said:
Yes, it’s a definite problem and it’s a problem in London as much as anywhereCasino_Royale said:
I went to state sixth form college, my sister went to stste schools throughout her childhood and my nephews both went there.Nigelb said:
How much practical experience of the current state system do you have ?Casino_Royale said:
Yup, such nonsense very neatly describes the utter idiocy of the marxist Left on history.beinndearg said:
I would have thought that intercontinental interactions are what shape and explain our world. Narrow focus UK and Europe history boil down to a bunch of repetitive parochial spats between posh rich whiteys using the poor as pawns. Looked at from far enough out.AlistairM said:
A few weeks ago my 13yo daughter was struggling on the conclusion for her history homework. It was about the civil rights movement in the US. She'd done some Googling but hadn't made much progress. I decided to fire up Chat GPT and decided to ask it the question that she'd been asked to answer and prompted for an A4 page response (the length she was expected to give). The response it gave was very plausible. We kept all the work that she'd used up to then but used its conclusion to help her write her own final paragraph. I suspect we could have copied and pasted the entire response and the teacher would never have known.Leon said:Am I the only sane person on here? AI is clearly going to revolutionise education. But it won’t all be bad. Teaching will be easier:
“Still think ChatGPT is bad for education?
I just gave it a mark scheme and a sample student answer from an AQA GCSE English Language paper.
Look what happened 👇
*Spoiler: It marked it accurately in seconds*
#education #edutwitter #edtech #AI”
https://twitter.com/danfitztweets/status/1609675061211930625?s=46&t=5D3OrwpAXOPOwYLcHjcJzg
And kids all over the world can get one-to-one tuition
“The one thing we know works for education is 1-1 tutoring vs one-to-many classroom
1-1 tutoring with humans for everyone is economically infeasible
But the promise of AI and ChatGPT systems will be 1-1 tutoring for everyone in the world”
https://twitter.com/alexandr_wang/status/1608996309897465856?s=46&t=5D3OrwpAXOPOwYLcHjcJzg
But be in no doubt, the Revolution is here
“Forget year in review: lets talk about how technology transformed education in the last MONTH thanks to ChatGPT
💥How to use it to educate: oneusefulthing.substack.com/p/how-to-use-a…
👨🏫Automating my job as a professor: oneusefulthing.substack.com/p/the-mechanic…
🤖How my students are using it: oneusefulthing.substack.com/p/the-street-f…
https://twitter.com/emollick/status/1608814300805861377?s=46&t=5D3OrwpAXOPOwYLcHjcJzg
As an aside she is taught almost exclusively about "diverse" history and knows very little of British or European history. I find it very sad that children seem to know only small amounts of history on the island which they live.
And what utter bollocks it is.
I will send my children to schools that teach it properly or otherwise privately tutor them myself.
I am also familiar with the curriculums taught locally. My ex-girlfriend also attended a history lessons during her PCGE course at a Southampton comprehensive entitled "there ain't no black in the union jack".
I am done with denialism and whataboutery on this. IT IS A PROBLEM.
The question is what we do about it so we don't radicalise and indoctrinate future generations.
At the age of 15 my eldest was well schooled on every possible significant black figure in British history - I never want to hear the words Mary Seacole again - but she did not know much at all about the Battle of Hastings. She vaguely knew it was important. Didn’t really know who was fighting. Or who won
And she’s smart
You can't on the one hand say out with maths, the arts, you name it because it has no relevance to life today; and on the other hand bemoan the lack of teaching of the Battle of Hastings in favour of teaching about a figure who influences so very many aspects of life today, both for you and your eldest.0 -
Also seems to be the case with other subjects. When studying artists in Y9 it has been entirely focused on diverse (i.e. non-white) artists. I'm all for covering a wide variety of different areas but I think there is a real danger of the syllabus being so desperate to be politically correct that it ends up being exclusionary. That is not progress.Casino_Royale said:
That isn't, but there's an increasing focus in some educational institutions to teach history almost solely through the prism of identity politics, as the post of @AlistairM demonstrates. I also encountered it myself at my daughter's previous school, so I withdrew her.BartholomewRoberts said:
My kids learn English history too. Last term included the Great Fire of London and the Plague.OnlyLivingBoy said:
It's just not my experience, that's all. Our kids learn about the Tudors and 20th century European history, mainly. The school has started to teach about West African kingdoms, too, which I think is a good thing, a teacher at the school helped to develop the curriculum so it is very well taught and sounds extremely interesting. My son was really engaged by it.Casino_Royale said:
And, we keep being told that such Woke agendas in education don't exist and that such agendas are totally fabricated; a fantasy in the minds of "reactionaries".AlistairM said:
A few weeks ago my 13yo daughter was struggling on the conclusion for her history homework. It was about the civil rights movement in the US. She'd done some Googling but hadn't made much progress. I decided to fire up Chat GPT and decided to ask it the question that she'd been asked to answer and prompted for an A4 page response (the length she was expected to give). The response it gave was very plausible. We kept all the work that she'd used up to then but used its conclusion to help her write her own final paragraph. I suspect we could have copied and pasted the entire response and the teacher would never have known.Leon said:Am I the only sane person on here? AI is clearly going to revolutionise education. But it won’t all be bad. Teaching will be easier:
“Still think ChatGPT is bad for education?
I just gave it a mark scheme and a sample student answer from an AQA GCSE English Language paper.
Look what happened 👇
*Spoiler: It marked it accurately in seconds*
#education #edutwitter #edtech #AI”
https://twitter.com/danfitztweets/status/1609675061211930625?s=46&t=5D3OrwpAXOPOwYLcHjcJzg
And kids all over the world can get one-to-one tuition
“The one thing we know works for education is 1-1 tutoring vs one-to-many classroom
1-1 tutoring with humans for everyone is economically infeasible
But the promise of AI and ChatGPT systems will be 1-1 tutoring for everyone in the world”
https://twitter.com/alexandr_wang/status/1608996309897465856?s=46&t=5D3OrwpAXOPOwYLcHjcJzg
But be in no doubt, the Revolution is here
“Forget year in review: lets talk about how technology transformed education in the last MONTH thanks to ChatGPT
💥How to use it to educate: oneusefulthing.substack.com/p/how-to-use-a…
👨🏫Automating my job as a professor: oneusefulthing.substack.com/p/the-mechanic…
🤖How my students are using it: oneusefulthing.substack.com/p/the-street-f…
https://twitter.com/emollick/status/1608814300805861377?s=46&t=5D3OrwpAXOPOwYLcHjcJzg
As an aside she is taught almost exclusively about "diverse" history and knows very little of British or European history. I find it very sad that children seem to know only small amounts of history on the island which they live.
It's almost as if they don't want us to challenge it.
Not sure what is woke or rewriting history there?
We shouldn't deny this is a problem.
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Samuel Pepys and his bloody cheese!TimS said:
Not the same secondary school, but my son has friends there.OnlyLivingBoy said:
Aren't we almost neighbours and might therefore be talking about the same secondary school (located in SE14)?TimS said:
Same at our local school. The bloody Tudors, the Victorian era, WW1 and 2, then at secondary school it's 1066, and yet more world war stuff. They learn about slavery and African kingdoms and a tiny bit about the empire.OnlyLivingBoy said:
It's just not my experience, that's all. Our kids learn about the Tudors and 20th century European history, mainly. The school has started to teach about West African kingdoms, too, which I think is a good thing, a teacher at the school helped to develop the curriculum so it is very well taught and sounds extremely interesting. My son was really engaged by it.Casino_Royale said:
And, we keep being told that such Woke agendas in education don't exist and that such agendas are totally fabricated; a fantasy in the minds of "reactionaries".AlistairM said:
A few weeks ago my 13yo daughter was struggling on the conclusion for her history homework. It was about the civil rights movement in the US. She'd done some Googling but hadn't made much progress. I decided to fire up Chat GPT and decided to ask it the question that she'd been asked to answer and prompted for an A4 page response (the length she was expected to give). The response it gave was very plausible. We kept all the work that she'd used up to then but used its conclusion to help her write her own final paragraph. I suspect we could have copied and pasted the entire response and the teacher would never have known.Leon said:Am I the only sane person on here? AI is clearly going to revolutionise education. But it won’t all be bad. Teaching will be easier:
“Still think ChatGPT is bad for education?
I just gave it a mark scheme and a sample student answer from an AQA GCSE English Language paper.
Look what happened 👇
*Spoiler: It marked it accurately in seconds*
#education #edutwitter #edtech #AI”
https://twitter.com/danfitztweets/status/1609675061211930625?s=46&t=5D3OrwpAXOPOwYLcHjcJzg
And kids all over the world can get one-to-one tuition
“The one thing we know works for education is 1-1 tutoring vs one-to-many classroom
1-1 tutoring with humans for everyone is economically infeasible
But the promise of AI and ChatGPT systems will be 1-1 tutoring for everyone in the world”
https://twitter.com/alexandr_wang/status/1608996309897465856?s=46&t=5D3OrwpAXOPOwYLcHjcJzg
But be in no doubt, the Revolution is here
“Forget year in review: lets talk about how technology transformed education in the last MONTH thanks to ChatGPT
💥How to use it to educate: oneusefulthing.substack.com/p/how-to-use-a…
👨🏫Automating my job as a professor: oneusefulthing.substack.com/p/the-mechanic…
🤖How my students are using it: oneusefulthing.substack.com/p/the-street-f…
https://twitter.com/emollick/status/1608814300805861377?s=46&t=5D3OrwpAXOPOwYLcHjcJzg
As an aside she is taught almost exclusively about "diverse" history and knows very little of British or European history. I find it very sad that children seem to know only small amounts of history on the island which they live.
It's almost as if they don't want us to challenge it.
What you get none of - and we had almost none of in my time either - is wider European history. Has the typical year 11 student any concept of who Charlemagne was, or the 30 years war, or the Moorish conquests or Mongol invasions, do they know Germany and Italy used to be clusters of tiny kingdoms and principalities or that there used to be these two massive empires within Ryanair distance of us run by the Habsburgs and the Ottomans? No, they know about Henry the 8th, Hitler and the Nazis and William the Conqueror. If they're lucky they might heave heard a passing reference to the French and Russian revolutions and learned about the Battle of Trafalgar.
I forgot to mention the plague and the great fire of London. They definitely get lots of that.0 -
There's also the issue that many people are hyper -sensitive on both sides. I hate it when my daughter is uncritically presented with some Christian doctrine as assumed culture, but some tenet of Sikhism as an "othered" thing. Someone else hates it when a feminist reading of history is the assumed perspective. We both ignore the interpretations with which we are naturally more comfortable, and vociferously argue why "Christian culture *is* the assumed baseline" or "feminist readings of history are a better starting point than pro patria 19th century prejudices".Endillion said:
If the argument is that schoolchild in the world should learn world history, and end up with relatively similar curricula across countries, then fair enough. It's not a view I agree with, but it's certainly defensible.Casino_Royale said:
History is the summation of the whole human story to date - taught in our islands should have a particular focus on British history because that's where we live and it explains our institutions and values and how we got here. It should not be taught solely through the prism of gender, race and sexuality - as the Woke would have it.beinndearg said:
Sure, but your world picture has to explain the "utter idiocy of the marxist Left on history" if that is a major facet of our modern world to you (and it clearly is).Casino_Royale said:
Yup, such nonsense very neatly describes the utter idiocy of the marxist Left on history.beinndearg said:
I would have thought that intercontinental interactions are what shape and explain our world. Narrow focus UK and Europe history boil down to a bunch of repetitive parochial spats between posh rich whiteys using the poor as pawns. Looked at from far enough out.AlistairM said:
A few weeks ago my 13yo daughter was struggling on the conclusion for her history homework. It was about the civil rights movement in the US. She'd done some Googling but hadn't made much progress. I decided to fire up Chat GPT and decided to ask it the question that she'd been asked to answer and prompted for an A4 page response (the length she was expected to give). The response it gave was very plausible. We kept all the work that she'd used up to then but used its conclusion to help her write her own final paragraph. I suspect we could have copied and pasted the entire response and the teacher would never have known.Leon said:Am I the only sane person on here? AI is clearly going to revolutionise education. But it won’t all be bad. Teaching will be easier:
“Still think ChatGPT is bad for education?
I just gave it a mark scheme and a sample student answer from an AQA GCSE English Language paper.
Look what happened 👇
*Spoiler: It marked it accurately in seconds*
#education #edutwitter #edtech #AI”
https://twitter.com/danfitztweets/status/1609675061211930625?s=46&t=5D3OrwpAXOPOwYLcHjcJzg
And kids all over the world can get one-to-one tuition
“The one thing we know works for education is 1-1 tutoring vs one-to-many classroom
1-1 tutoring with humans for everyone is economically infeasible
But the promise of AI and ChatGPT systems will be 1-1 tutoring for everyone in the world”
https://twitter.com/alexandr_wang/status/1608996309897465856?s=46&t=5D3OrwpAXOPOwYLcHjcJzg
But be in no doubt, the Revolution is here
“Forget year in review: lets talk about how technology transformed education in the last MONTH thanks to ChatGPT
💥How to use it to educate: oneusefulthing.substack.com/p/how-to-use-a…
👨🏫Automating my job as a professor: oneusefulthing.substack.com/p/the-mechanic…
🤖How my students are using it: oneusefulthing.substack.com/p/the-street-f…
https://twitter.com/emollick/status/1608814300805861377?s=46&t=5D3OrwpAXOPOwYLcHjcJzg
As an aside she is taught almost exclusively about "diverse" history and knows very little of British or European history. I find it very sad that children seem to know only small amounts of history on the island which they live.
And what utter bollocks it is.
I will send my children to schools that teach it properly or otherwise privately tutor them myself.
A spectre is haunting casinoRoyaleville; the spectre of Woke. Is Woke itself better explained by various facets of intercontinental trade and war, or by whether Philip of Anjou edged it on penalties over Charles of Austria?
One day lesser minds, like yours, will come round to this, but for now it's far easier for you to be a dumb sheep.
However, in practice I suspect that most proponents of teaching "diverse" history in the UK would baulk at the teaching of, say, the Napoleonic Wars in a Nigerian school, as "colonialist".0 -
"There ain't no Black in the Union Jack" is a book by Paul Gilroy, a renowned historian and social commentator, about black culture in the UK. Pretty useful on a teaching course for teachers who are likely to encounter many students from that background.Casino_Royale said:
I went to state sixth form college, my sister went to stste schools throughout her childhood and my nephews both went there.Nigelb said:
How much practical experience of the current state system do you have ?Casino_Royale said:
Yup, such nonsense very neatly describes the utter idiocy of the marxist Left on history.beinndearg said:
I would have thought that intercontinental interactions are what shape and explain our world. Narrow focus UK and Europe history boil down to a bunch of repetitive parochial spats between posh rich whiteys using the poor as pawns. Looked at from far enough out.AlistairM said:
A few weeks ago my 13yo daughter was struggling on the conclusion for her history homework. It was about the civil rights movement in the US. She'd done some Googling but hadn't made much progress. I decided to fire up Chat GPT and decided to ask it the question that she'd been asked to answer and prompted for an A4 page response (the length she was expected to give). The response it gave was very plausible. We kept all the work that she'd used up to then but used its conclusion to help her write her own final paragraph. I suspect we could have copied and pasted the entire response and the teacher would never have known.Leon said:Am I the only sane person on here? AI is clearly going to revolutionise education. But it won’t all be bad. Teaching will be easier:
“Still think ChatGPT is bad for education?
I just gave it a mark scheme and a sample student answer from an AQA GCSE English Language paper.
Look what happened 👇
*Spoiler: It marked it accurately in seconds*
#education #edutwitter #edtech #AI”
https://twitter.com/danfitztweets/status/1609675061211930625?s=46&t=5D3OrwpAXOPOwYLcHjcJzg
And kids all over the world can get one-to-one tuition
“The one thing we know works for education is 1-1 tutoring vs one-to-many classroom
1-1 tutoring with humans for everyone is economically infeasible
But the promise of AI and ChatGPT systems will be 1-1 tutoring for everyone in the world”
https://twitter.com/alexandr_wang/status/1608996309897465856?s=46&t=5D3OrwpAXOPOwYLcHjcJzg
But be in no doubt, the Revolution is here
“Forget year in review: lets talk about how technology transformed education in the last MONTH thanks to ChatGPT
💥How to use it to educate: oneusefulthing.substack.com/p/how-to-use-a…
👨🏫Automating my job as a professor: oneusefulthing.substack.com/p/the-mechanic…
🤖How my students are using it: oneusefulthing.substack.com/p/the-street-f…
https://twitter.com/emollick/status/1608814300805861377?s=46&t=5D3OrwpAXOPOwYLcHjcJzg
As an aside she is taught almost exclusively about "diverse" history and knows very little of British or European history. I find it very sad that children seem to know only small amounts of history on the island which they live.
And what utter bollocks it is.
I will send my children to schools that teach it properly or otherwise privately tutor them myself.
I am also familiar with the curriculums taught locally. My ex-girlfriend also attended a history lessons during her PCGE course at a Southampton comprehensive entitled "there ain't no black in the union jack".
I am done with denialism and whataboutery on this. IT IS A PROBLEM.
The question is what we do about it so we don't radicalise and indoctrinate future generations.1 -
England's identity as, "definitely not a Catholic country," used to be a lot more important to its sense of self then it is now, and clearly the Tudor period was central to that.Casino_Royale said:
The point is that teaching it solely through the prism of identity politics introduces a bias into it, in the same way it would to teach it solely through a Whig one or a Marxist one.Endillion said:
If the argument is that schoolchild in the world should learn world history, and end up with relatively similar curricula across countries, then fair enough. It's not a view I agree with, but it's certainly defensible.Casino_Royale said:
History is the summation of the whole human story to date - taught in our islands should have a particular focus on British history because that's where we live and it explains our institutions and values and how we got here. It should not be taught solely through the prism of gender, race and sexuality - as the Woke would have it.beinndearg said:
Sure, but your world picture has to explain the "utter idiocy of the marxist Left on history" if that is a major facet of our modern world to you (and it clearly is).Casino_Royale said:
Yup, such nonsense very neatly describes the utter idiocy of the marxist Left on history.beinndearg said:
I would have thought that intercontinental interactions are what shape and explain our world. Narrow focus UK and Europe history boil down to a bunch of repetitive parochial spats between posh rich whiteys using the poor as pawns. Looked at from far enough out.AlistairM said:
A few weeks ago my 13yo daughter was struggling on the conclusion for her history homework. It was about the civil rights movement in the US. She'd done some Googling but hadn't made much progress. I decided to fire up Chat GPT and decided to ask it the question that she'd been asked to answer and prompted for an A4 page response (the length she was expected to give). The response it gave was very plausible. We kept all the work that she'd used up to then but used its conclusion to help her write her own final paragraph. I suspect we could have copied and pasted the entire response and the teacher would never have known.Leon said:Am I the only sane person on here? AI is clearly going to revolutionise education. But it won’t all be bad. Teaching will be easier:
“Still think ChatGPT is bad for education?
I just gave it a mark scheme and a sample student answer from an AQA GCSE English Language paper.
Look what happened 👇
*Spoiler: It marked it accurately in seconds*
#education #edutwitter #edtech #AI”
https://twitter.com/danfitztweets/status/1609675061211930625?s=46&t=5D3OrwpAXOPOwYLcHjcJzg
And kids all over the world can get one-to-one tuition
“The one thing we know works for education is 1-1 tutoring vs one-to-many classroom
1-1 tutoring with humans for everyone is economically infeasible
But the promise of AI and ChatGPT systems will be 1-1 tutoring for everyone in the world”
https://twitter.com/alexandr_wang/status/1608996309897465856?s=46&t=5D3OrwpAXOPOwYLcHjcJzg
But be in no doubt, the Revolution is here
“Forget year in review: lets talk about how technology transformed education in the last MONTH thanks to ChatGPT
💥How to use it to educate: oneusefulthing.substack.com/p/how-to-use-a…
👨🏫Automating my job as a professor: oneusefulthing.substack.com/p/the-mechanic…
🤖How my students are using it: oneusefulthing.substack.com/p/the-street-f…
https://twitter.com/emollick/status/1608814300805861377?s=46&t=5D3OrwpAXOPOwYLcHjcJzg
As an aside she is taught almost exclusively about "diverse" history and knows very little of British or European history. I find it very sad that children seem to know only small amounts of history on the island which they live.
And what utter bollocks it is.
I will send my children to schools that teach it properly or otherwise privately tutor them myself.
A spectre is haunting casinoRoyaleville; the spectre of Woke. Is Woke itself better explained by various facets of intercontinental trade and war, or by whether Philip of Anjou edged it on penalties over Charles of Austria?
One day lesser minds, like yours, will come round to this, but for now it's far easier for you to be a dumb sheep.
However, in practice I suspect that most proponents of teaching "diverse" history in the UK would baulk at the teaching of, say, the Napoleonic Wars in a Nigerian school, as "colonialist".
It should focus on a factual story of the major events that got us to where we are today, triangulated to the broader context in the wider world, and encourage children to interpret and challenge primary and secondary sources themselves to figure it out.
The heavy focus on the Tudors, as opposed to the Civil War, I find a bit weird - to be honest. We were a republic for nearly 11 years, and then exported the religious puritans to New England, helping to spawn America and how it is today, and that feels just as significant - if not more so.
As others have mentioned a lot of the present curriculum is determined by what Minister's parents were taught at school (+WWII for history), and so no-one's really rethought how to teach our history.
I was never taught about the Acts of Union at my English school, which seems a rather remarkable gap. Though we did learn about the US civil rights movement and, unsurprisingly, that was the topic that most interested many of my fellow south London inner suburban classmates. I don't think they'd have been as interested as I would have been to learn more about Alfred the Great.1 -
One of the things my school was great at was intergrating topics across subjects.
In history we covered the Shakespeare plays we were learning in English literature.
Long live the Henriad.3 -
The UK lives, rent free, in the heads of the Russian leadership and a number of Middle Eastern Countries.Leon said:
LolGardenwalker said:Someone with vague intelligence links told me last night that the British were behind the Nord Stream pipeline sabotage.
I’m only offering it here because this particular source does occasionally uncover genuine intel.
We should monetise this, I think.3 -
Depends on the course, obvs, but why on earth, on the planet where x% of people are from any one particular demographic do you worry about a course on "artists" focusing on a variety of artists from different backgrounds.AlistairM said:
Also seems to be the case with other subjects. When studying artists in Y9 it has been entirely focused on diverse (i.e. non-white) artists. I'm all for covering a wide variety of different areas but I think there is a real danger of the syllabus being so desperate to be politically correct that it ends up being exclusionary. That is not progress.Casino_Royale said:
That isn't, but there's an increasing focus in some educational institutions to teach history almost solely through the prism of identity politics, as the post of @AlistairM demonstrates. I also encountered it myself at my daughter's previous school, so I withdrew her.BartholomewRoberts said:
My kids learn English history too. Last term included the Great Fire of London and the Plague.OnlyLivingBoy said:
It's just not my experience, that's all. Our kids learn about the Tudors and 20th century European history, mainly. The school has started to teach about West African kingdoms, too, which I think is a good thing, a teacher at the school helped to develop the curriculum so it is very well taught and sounds extremely interesting. My son was really engaged by it.Casino_Royale said:
And, we keep being told that such Woke agendas in education don't exist and that such agendas are totally fabricated; a fantasy in the minds of "reactionaries".AlistairM said:
A few weeks ago my 13yo daughter was struggling on the conclusion for her history homework. It was about the civil rights movement in the US. She'd done some Googling but hadn't made much progress. I decided to fire up Chat GPT and decided to ask it the question that she'd been asked to answer and prompted for an A4 page response (the length she was expected to give). The response it gave was very plausible. We kept all the work that she'd used up to then but used its conclusion to help her write her own final paragraph. I suspect we could have copied and pasted the entire response and the teacher would never have known.Leon said:Am I the only sane person on here? AI is clearly going to revolutionise education. But it won’t all be bad. Teaching will be easier:
“Still think ChatGPT is bad for education?
I just gave it a mark scheme and a sample student answer from an AQA GCSE English Language paper.
Look what happened 👇
*Spoiler: It marked it accurately in seconds*
#education #edutwitter #edtech #AI”
https://twitter.com/danfitztweets/status/1609675061211930625?s=46&t=5D3OrwpAXOPOwYLcHjcJzg
And kids all over the world can get one-to-one tuition
“The one thing we know works for education is 1-1 tutoring vs one-to-many classroom
1-1 tutoring with humans for everyone is economically infeasible
But the promise of AI and ChatGPT systems will be 1-1 tutoring for everyone in the world”
https://twitter.com/alexandr_wang/status/1608996309897465856?s=46&t=5D3OrwpAXOPOwYLcHjcJzg
But be in no doubt, the Revolution is here
“Forget year in review: lets talk about how technology transformed education in the last MONTH thanks to ChatGPT
💥How to use it to educate: oneusefulthing.substack.com/p/how-to-use-a…
👨🏫Automating my job as a professor: oneusefulthing.substack.com/p/the-mechanic…
🤖How my students are using it: oneusefulthing.substack.com/p/the-street-f…
https://twitter.com/emollick/status/1608814300805861377?s=46&t=5D3OrwpAXOPOwYLcHjcJzg
As an aside she is taught almost exclusively about "diverse" history and knows very little of British or European history. I find it very sad that children seem to know only small amounts of history on the island which they live.
It's almost as if they don't want us to challenge it.
Not sure what is woke or rewriting history there?
We shouldn't deny this is a problem.
Or was the course labelled "white artists in 20th Century Britain"?0 -
On the subject of dichotomy I do think there is a vast hinterland of history which is neither British domestic stuff (which I agree is important as it's important for shared cultural reference points, like the Bible and Shakespeare) nor empire, slavery or other "bad stuff we did elsewhere" but is "important things other people in other countries did where Britain isn't the centre of the action". That means European and Asian history in particular. To understand the world and geopolitics, as well as geography and beyond Napoleon and Hitler it really helps to understand:Casino_Royale said:
Interesting. And reassuring.Gardenwalker said:My kids’ school in New York appears to draw parents trying to escape the woke invasion of private schools here.
The place is blissfully normal, and nobody cares about critical race theory. Having said that, the nativity play did feature some kind of Kwanza interlude.
Just to be clear: I don't want to set up a false dichotomy here, although I bet I will be accused of it.
I am not arguing that women's rights, civil rights, slavery etc. should not be covered in history lessons - quite the opposite.
I am arguing that should not be the prism solely through which all history is taught, and it should always be put in the context of the times.
- The civilisations of ancient history (Mesopotamia, Egypt, Indus Valley, India, China, Greece, Rome)
- The religious empires of the middle ages: the holy Roman empire, the Islamic caliphate
- The European reformation and the wars of religion
- Continental empires: Mongols and their successors, Russia, Austria-Hungary, Ottoman, China
- The conquistadores and age of exploration
- The rise of the nation state
- Japan, Korea and the 20th century politics of the Far East
- The Cold war and Soviet Union
1 -
I’ve already said on this thread that education is good in and of itself. My argument is that it will become a pleasing skill rather than a necessary qualification for employmentTOPPING said:
Of all people to decry such an education.Leon said:
Yes, it’s a definite problem and it’s a problem in London as much as anywhereCasino_Royale said:
I went to state sixth form college, my sister went to stste schools throughout her childhood and my nephews both went there.Nigelb said:
How much practical experience of the current state system do you have ?Casino_Royale said:
Yup, such nonsense very neatly describes the utter idiocy of the marxist Left on history.beinndearg said:
I would have thought that intercontinental interactions are what shape and explain our world. Narrow focus UK and Europe history boil down to a bunch of repetitive parochial spats between posh rich whiteys using the poor as pawns. Looked at from far enough out.AlistairM said:
A few weeks ago my 13yo daughter was struggling on the conclusion for her history homework. It was about the civil rights movement in the US. She'd done some Googling but hadn't made much progress. I decided to fire up Chat GPT and decided to ask it the question that she'd been asked to answer and prompted for an A4 page response (the length she was expected to give). The response it gave was very plausible. We kept all the work that she'd used up to then but used its conclusion to help her write her own final paragraph. I suspect we could have copied and pasted the entire response and the teacher would never have known.Leon said:Am I the only sane person on here? AI is clearly going to revolutionise education. But it won’t all be bad. Teaching will be easier:
“Still think ChatGPT is bad for education?
I just gave it a mark scheme and a sample student answer from an AQA GCSE English Language paper.
Look what happened 👇
*Spoiler: It marked it accurately in seconds*
#education #edutwitter #edtech #AI”
https://twitter.com/danfitztweets/status/1609675061211930625?s=46&t=5D3OrwpAXOPOwYLcHjcJzg
And kids all over the world can get one-to-one tuition
“The one thing we know works for education is 1-1 tutoring vs one-to-many classroom
1-1 tutoring with humans for everyone is economically infeasible
But the promise of AI and ChatGPT systems will be 1-1 tutoring for everyone in the world”
https://twitter.com/alexandr_wang/status/1608996309897465856?s=46&t=5D3OrwpAXOPOwYLcHjcJzg
But be in no doubt, the Revolution is here
“Forget year in review: lets talk about how technology transformed education in the last MONTH thanks to ChatGPT
💥How to use it to educate: oneusefulthing.substack.com/p/how-to-use-a…
👨🏫Automating my job as a professor: oneusefulthing.substack.com/p/the-mechanic…
🤖How my students are using it: oneusefulthing.substack.com/p/the-street-f…
https://twitter.com/emollick/status/1608814300805861377?s=46&t=5D3OrwpAXOPOwYLcHjcJzg
As an aside she is taught almost exclusively about "diverse" history and knows very little of British or European history. I find it very sad that children seem to know only small amounts of history on the island which they live.
And what utter bollocks it is.
I will send my children to schools that teach it properly or otherwise privately tutor them myself.
I am also familiar with the curriculums taught locally. My ex-girlfriend also attended a history lessons during her PCGE course at a Southampton comprehensive entitled "there ain't no black in the union jack".
I am done with denialism and whataboutery on this. IT IS A PROBLEM.
The question is what we do about it so we don't radicalise and indoctrinate future generations.
At the age of 15 my eldest was well schooled on every possible significant black figure in British history - I never want to hear the words Mary Seacole again - but she did not know much at all about the Battle of Hastings. She vaguely knew it was important. Didn’t really know who was fighting. Or who won
And she’s smart
You can't on the one hand say out with maths, the arts, you name it because it has no relevance to life today; and on the other hand bemoan the lack of teaching of the Battle of Hastings in favour of teaching about a figure who influences so very many aspects of life today, both for you and your eldest.
Learning maths will be like learning the clarinet to grade 5. It’s nice that you can do it but will it help you get a job? No not so much
In that scenario it will be awfully hard to motivate a lot of students0 -
There is a very good In Our Time (they're all good, of course) about Shakespeare as History.TheScreamingEagles said:One of the things my school was great at was intergrating topics across subjects.
In history we covered the Shakespeare plays we were learning in English literature.
Long live the Henriad.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/m0000nd90 -
More accurately - it ended some jobs, like weaving at home.TheKitchenCabinet said:
To a degree and it depends on the timescale.BartholomewRoberts said:
Then why do we have full employment? 🤦♂️HYUFD said:
What new jobs are going to be created then the average IQ person, not especially creative can do which AI can't do? Let alone for those of below average IQ?BartholomewRoberts said:
That's Luddite bullshit.HYUFD said:
In which case all but the top 1% most creative and innovative and skilled will be out of work in most fields.Leon said:
Mate, I wish that were true. I fear it is notHYUFD said:
If AI makes most STEM, finance, accountancy, law jobs redundant that will change.Leon said:
I don’t disagree at all. The problem is going to be persuading the kids to learn when it becomes evermore pointless and doesn’t help them get work, as all knowledge work is automatedTOPPING said:
For 85% of people reading A Portrait of the Artist is pointless but it's still worth equipping as many people as possible with the tools to do so in a civilised society.Leon said:A reminder: Only 15% of the population have an IQ level of 115 or above. An IQ above 115 is considered to be a 'High IQ'
For 85% of people advanced maths is simply pointless. They can’t do it and, besides, they have a tiny brilliant machine that can solve all practical daily maths questions, anyway
Soon they will have a new machine which they won’t even require numbers. You’ll just ask it the query “what is a third of a third”
Kids are already fleeing the Humanities for this exact reason: these degrees don’t lead to jobs
https://www.latimes.com/opinion/story/2022-10-24/college-humanities-decline
The few jobs left will be the most creative ones machines can't do, which humanities teach
GPT3.5 is already churning out pretty good creative writing - poetry, stories. SDiffusion and DALL-E2 are producing some notable art (which is being used commercially already)
In 2 or 3 iterations (3-5 years?) they will be as good at the best creative stuff as almost any human. In ten years unimaginably better than any human
Tiny arguments on Reddit will rage as to whether these machines are “truly” creative. It won’t matter, because the machines will simply be better, and we will avidly consume their creations
We then return to the inevitability of a universal basic income funded by a robot tax the more AI is used across sectors, whether creative arts, manufacturing, professional finance, accountancy and law or basic menial tasks
As jobs are eliminated, new ones are created. People have ingenuity. We do different jobs than the past, but the idea of a jobless age has always been and always will be Dystopian SciFi bullshit.
There may still be permanent jobs for very high IQ, highly creative people but they are only a small minority
There's 300 years of history showing Luddidm is wrong. You're only limited by your own weak imagination.
People will use their ingenuity to create jobs and opportunities. Just as we always have done.
The Luddites were right - from their own perspective. The Industrial Revolution did lead to a collapse in artisan wages, especially as employers designed factories based around child labour which was cheaper than skilled artisans.
Wages did - eventually - improve and new jobs were created but it took several decades for the effect to come through (eg factories required administration which required clerks etc).
When technological changes come and make people unemployed, there is not an automatic bank of jobs out there. Sure, people can set themselves up (I did) but the idea that people can switch seamlessly into jobs is a fallacy - there are switching costs for a reason.
There were more and often better paid jobs, but this meant changing trades.
Which was Simply Not How Things Work, back then.0 -
Plenty of arts grads in stonkingly good jobs. Some have even become prime ministers.Leon said:
I’ve already said on this thread that education is good in and of itself. My argument is that it will become a pleasing skill rather than a necessary qualification for employmentTOPPING said:
Of all people to decry such an education.Leon said:
Yes, it’s a definite problem and it’s a problem in London as much as anywhereCasino_Royale said:
I went to state sixth form college, my sister went to stste schools throughout her childhood and my nephews both went there.Nigelb said:
How much practical experience of the current state system do you have ?Casino_Royale said:
Yup, such nonsense very neatly describes the utter idiocy of the marxist Left on history.beinndearg said:
I would have thought that intercontinental interactions are what shape and explain our world. Narrow focus UK and Europe history boil down to a bunch of repetitive parochial spats between posh rich whiteys using the poor as pawns. Looked at from far enough out.AlistairM said:
A few weeks ago my 13yo daughter was struggling on the conclusion for her history homework. It was about the civil rights movement in the US. She'd done some Googling but hadn't made much progress. I decided to fire up Chat GPT and decided to ask it the question that she'd been asked to answer and prompted for an A4 page response (the length she was expected to give). The response it gave was very plausible. We kept all the work that she'd used up to then but used its conclusion to help her write her own final paragraph. I suspect we could have copied and pasted the entire response and the teacher would never have known.Leon said:Am I the only sane person on here? AI is clearly going to revolutionise education. But it won’t all be bad. Teaching will be easier:
“Still think ChatGPT is bad for education?
I just gave it a mark scheme and a sample student answer from an AQA GCSE English Language paper.
Look what happened 👇
*Spoiler: It marked it accurately in seconds*
#education #edutwitter #edtech #AI”
https://twitter.com/danfitztweets/status/1609675061211930625?s=46&t=5D3OrwpAXOPOwYLcHjcJzg
And kids all over the world can get one-to-one tuition
“The one thing we know works for education is 1-1 tutoring vs one-to-many classroom
1-1 tutoring with humans for everyone is economically infeasible
But the promise of AI and ChatGPT systems will be 1-1 tutoring for everyone in the world”
https://twitter.com/alexandr_wang/status/1608996309897465856?s=46&t=5D3OrwpAXOPOwYLcHjcJzg
But be in no doubt, the Revolution is here
“Forget year in review: lets talk about how technology transformed education in the last MONTH thanks to ChatGPT
💥How to use it to educate: oneusefulthing.substack.com/p/how-to-use-a…
👨🏫Automating my job as a professor: oneusefulthing.substack.com/p/the-mechanic…
🤖How my students are using it: oneusefulthing.substack.com/p/the-street-f…
https://twitter.com/emollick/status/1608814300805861377?s=46&t=5D3OrwpAXOPOwYLcHjcJzg
As an aside she is taught almost exclusively about "diverse" history and knows very little of British or European history. I find it very sad that children seem to know only small amounts of history on the island which they live.
And what utter bollocks it is.
I will send my children to schools that teach it properly or otherwise privately tutor them myself.
I am also familiar with the curriculums taught locally. My ex-girlfriend also attended a history lessons during her PCGE course at a Southampton comprehensive entitled "there ain't no black in the union jack".
I am done with denialism and whataboutery on this. IT IS A PROBLEM.
The question is what we do about it so we don't radicalise and indoctrinate future generations.
At the age of 15 my eldest was well schooled on every possible significant black figure in British history - I never want to hear the words Mary Seacole again - but she did not know much at all about the Battle of Hastings. She vaguely knew it was important. Didn’t really know who was fighting. Or who won
And she’s smart
You can't on the one hand say out with maths, the arts, you name it because it has no relevance to life today; and on the other hand bemoan the lack of teaching of the Battle of Hastings in favour of teaching about a figure who influences so very many aspects of life today, both for you and your eldest.
Learning maths will be like learning the clarinet to grade 5. It’s nice that you can do it but will it help you get a job? No not so much
In that scenario it will be awfully hard to motivate a lot of students0 -
One does expect a British angle on things discussed by Britons in Britain. Hence why our colonialism (big and recent and OURS) shouldn't be contextualized away with "it's complicated" and "we were no worse than others" and "what about the Romans?" etc etc. Yet this what many try to do. Happens every single time we get into it.Casino_Royale said:
History is the summation of the whole human story to date - taught in our islands should have a particular focus on British history because that's where we live and it explains our institutions and values and how we got here. It should not be taught solely through the prism of gender, race and sexuality - as the Woke would have it.beinndearg said:
Sure, but your world picture has to explain the "utter idiocy of the marxist Left on history" if that is a major facet of our modern world to you (and it clearly is).Casino_Royale said:
Yup, such nonsense very neatly describes the utter idiocy of the marxist Left on history.beinndearg said:
I would have thought that intercontinental interactions are what shape and explain our world. Narrow focus UK and Europe history boil down to a bunch of repetitive parochial spats between posh rich whiteys using the poor as pawns. Looked at from far enough out.AlistairM said:
A few weeks ago my 13yo daughter was struggling on the conclusion for her history homework. It was about the civil rights movement in the US. She'd done some Googling but hadn't made much progress. I decided to fire up Chat GPT and decided to ask it the question that she'd been asked to answer and prompted for an A4 page response (the length she was expected to give). The response it gave was very plausible. We kept all the work that she'd used up to then but used its conclusion to help her write her own final paragraph. I suspect we could have copied and pasted the entire response and the teacher would never have known.Leon said:Am I the only sane person on here? AI is clearly going to revolutionise education. But it won’t all be bad. Teaching will be easier:
“Still think ChatGPT is bad for education?
I just gave it a mark scheme and a sample student answer from an AQA GCSE English Language paper.
Look what happened 👇
*Spoiler: It marked it accurately in seconds*
#education #edutwitter #edtech #AI”
https://twitter.com/danfitztweets/status/1609675061211930625?s=46&t=5D3OrwpAXOPOwYLcHjcJzg
And kids all over the world can get one-to-one tuition
“The one thing we know works for education is 1-1 tutoring vs one-to-many classroom
1-1 tutoring with humans for everyone is economically infeasible
But the promise of AI and ChatGPT systems will be 1-1 tutoring for everyone in the world”
https://twitter.com/alexandr_wang/status/1608996309897465856?s=46&t=5D3OrwpAXOPOwYLcHjcJzg
But be in no doubt, the Revolution is here
“Forget year in review: lets talk about how technology transformed education in the last MONTH thanks to ChatGPT
💥How to use it to educate: oneusefulthing.substack.com/p/how-to-use-a…
👨🏫Automating my job as a professor: oneusefulthing.substack.com/p/the-mechanic…
🤖How my students are using it: oneusefulthing.substack.com/p/the-street-f…
https://twitter.com/emollick/status/1608814300805861377?s=46&t=5D3OrwpAXOPOwYLcHjcJzg
As an aside she is taught almost exclusively about "diverse" history and knows very little of British or European history. I find it very sad that children seem to know only small amounts of history on the island which they live.
And what utter bollocks it is.
I will send my children to schools that teach it properly or otherwise privately tutor them myself.
A spectre is haunting casinoRoyaleville; the spectre of Woke. Is Woke itself better explained by various facets of intercontinental trade and war, or by whether Philip of Anjou edged it on penalties over Charles of Austria?
One day lesser minds, like yours, will come round to this, but for now it's far easier for you to be a dumb sheep.0 -
The DUP must be disappointed that there ain't no Orange in the Union Jack (but there is Orange in the Irish Tricolour).Selebian said:
That's shocking. No standards nowadays. Should be: "there isn't any black in the union jack".Casino_Royale said:
I went to state sixth form college, my sister went to stste schools throughout her childhood and my nephews both went there.Nigelb said:
How much practical experience of the current state system do you have ?Casino_Royale said:
Yup, such nonsense very neatly describes the utter idiocy of the marxist Left on history.beinndearg said:
I would have thought that intercontinental interactions are what shape and explain our world. Narrow focus UK and Europe history boil down to a bunch of repetitive parochial spats between posh rich whiteys using the poor as pawns. Looked at from far enough out.AlistairM said:
A few weeks ago my 13yo daughter was struggling on the conclusion for her history homework. It was about the civil rights movement in the US. She'd done some Googling but hadn't made much progress. I decided to fire up Chat GPT and decided to ask it the question that she'd been asked to answer and prompted for an A4 page response (the length she was expected to give). The response it gave was very plausible. We kept all the work that she'd used up to then but used its conclusion to help her write her own final paragraph. I suspect we could have copied and pasted the entire response and the teacher would never have known.Leon said:Am I the only sane person on here? AI is clearly going to revolutionise education. But it won’t all be bad. Teaching will be easier:
“Still think ChatGPT is bad for education?
I just gave it a mark scheme and a sample student answer from an AQA GCSE English Language paper.
Look what happened 👇
*Spoiler: It marked it accurately in seconds*
#education #edutwitter #edtech #AI”
https://twitter.com/danfitztweets/status/1609675061211930625?s=46&t=5D3OrwpAXOPOwYLcHjcJzg
And kids all over the world can get one-to-one tuition
“The one thing we know works for education is 1-1 tutoring vs one-to-many classroom
1-1 tutoring with humans for everyone is economically infeasible
But the promise of AI and ChatGPT systems will be 1-1 tutoring for everyone in the world”
https://twitter.com/alexandr_wang/status/1608996309897465856?s=46&t=5D3OrwpAXOPOwYLcHjcJzg
But be in no doubt, the Revolution is here
“Forget year in review: lets talk about how technology transformed education in the last MONTH thanks to ChatGPT
💥How to use it to educate: oneusefulthing.substack.com/p/how-to-use-a…
👨🏫Automating my job as a professor: oneusefulthing.substack.com/p/the-mechanic…
🤖How my students are using it: oneusefulthing.substack.com/p/the-street-f…
https://twitter.com/emollick/status/1608814300805861377?s=46&t=5D3OrwpAXOPOwYLcHjcJzg
As an aside she is taught almost exclusively about "diverse" history and knows very little of British or European history. I find it very sad that children seem to know only small amounts of history on the island which they live.
And what utter bollocks it is.
I will send my children to schools that teach it properly or otherwise privately tutor them myself.
I am also familiar with the curriculums taught locally. My ex-girlfriend also attended a history lessons during her PCGE course at a Southampton comprehensive entitled "there ain't no black in the union jack".
I am done with denialism and whataboutery on this. IT IS A PROBLEM.
The question is what we do about it so we don't radicalise and indoctrinate future generations.
ETA: The substantive point about colour is valid though - black should be in there - and yellow. All the other nations' patron saints get their flags incorporated.0 -
The Norman Conquest, the English Civil War and Cromwell's Interregnum are part of KS3 of the History National CurriculumLeon said:
Yes, it’s a definite problem and it’s a problem in London as much as anywhereCasino_Royale said:
I went to state sixth form college, my sister went to stste schools throughout her childhood and my nephews both went there.Nigelb said:
How much practical experience of the current state system do you have ?Casino_Royale said:
Yup, such nonsense very neatly describes the utter idiocy of the marxist Left on history.beinndearg said:
I would have thought that intercontinental interactions are what shape and explain our world. Narrow focus UK and Europe history boil down to a bunch of repetitive parochial spats between posh rich whiteys using the poor as pawns. Looked at from far enough out.AlistairM said:
A few weeks ago my 13yo daughter was struggling on the conclusion for her history homework. It was about the civil rights movement in the US. She'd done some Googling but hadn't made much progress. I decided to fire up Chat GPT and decided to ask it the question that she'd been asked to answer and prompted for an A4 page response (the length she was expected to give). The response it gave was very plausible. We kept all the work that she'd used up to then but used its conclusion to help her write her own final paragraph. I suspect we could have copied and pasted the entire response and the teacher would never have known.Leon said:Am I the only sane person on here? AI is clearly going to revolutionise education. But it won’t all be bad. Teaching will be easier:
“Still think ChatGPT is bad for education?
I just gave it a mark scheme and a sample student answer from an AQA GCSE English Language paper.
Look what happened 👇
*Spoiler: It marked it accurately in seconds*
#education #edutwitter #edtech #AI”
https://twitter.com/danfitztweets/status/1609675061211930625?s=46&t=5D3OrwpAXOPOwYLcHjcJzg
And kids all over the world can get one-to-one tuition
“The one thing we know works for education is 1-1 tutoring vs one-to-many classroom
1-1 tutoring with humans for everyone is economically infeasible
But the promise of AI and ChatGPT systems will be 1-1 tutoring for everyone in the world”
https://twitter.com/alexandr_wang/status/1608996309897465856?s=46&t=5D3OrwpAXOPOwYLcHjcJzg
But be in no doubt, the Revolution is here
“Forget year in review: lets talk about how technology transformed education in the last MONTH thanks to ChatGPT
💥How to use it to educate: oneusefulthing.substack.com/p/how-to-use-a…
👨🏫Automating my job as a professor: oneusefulthing.substack.com/p/the-mechanic…
🤖How my students are using it: oneusefulthing.substack.com/p/the-street-f…
https://twitter.com/emollick/status/1608814300805861377?s=46&t=5D3OrwpAXOPOwYLcHjcJzg
As an aside she is taught almost exclusively about "diverse" history and knows very little of British or European history. I find it very sad that children seem to know only small amounts of history on the island which they live.
And what utter bollocks it is.
I will send my children to schools that teach it properly or otherwise privately tutor them myself.
I am also familiar with the curriculums taught locally. My ex-girlfriend also attended a history lessons during her PCGE course at a Southampton comprehensive entitled "there ain't no black in the union jack".
I am done with denialism and whataboutery on this. IT IS A PROBLEM.
The question is what we do about it so we don't radicalise and indoctrinate future generations.
At the age of 15 my eldest was well schooled on every possible significant black figure in British history - I never want to hear the words Mary Seacole again - but she did not know much at all about the Battle of Hastings. She vaguely knew it was important. Didn’t really know who was fighting. Or who won
And she’s smart
https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/national-curriculum-in-england-history-programmes-of-study0 -
"I apologize if my previous response gave the impression that I was minimizing the importance of math education or suggesting that the education systems of all countries are equally effective. That was not my intention.LostPassword said:
I would disagree with two main points.Barnesian said:
I asked CHATGBT "Why doesn't England already teach Maths to age 18 like most of the countries that are economically outcompeting it?LostPassword said:
The question isn't really, "Should England teach Maths to age 18?"Barnesian said:...
My conclusion is that the idea of everyone doing maths to the age of 18 (A Level) is completely crackers. A level maths will be beyond a lot of people.
What is needed for the general population is sufficient knowledge of arithmetic, orders of magnitude, managing finances, basic statistics etc. Practical stuff. To age16. Algebra of calculus isn't required. Not everyone is going to be a rocket scientist.
The real question is, "Why doesn't England already teach Maths to age 18 like most of the countries that are economically outcompeting it?"
Sure, Maths teaching at primary level needs to be fixed *as well*, but this policy looks like an overdue correction of a mistake. If they can find the teachers for it.
It replied:
The educational systems of different countries are often based on their unique histories, cultures, and economic needs, so it is not necessarily the case that one system is better than another. There are many factors that contribute to a country's economic success, and the way in which math is taught in schools is just one of them.
Firstly, yes, it is necessarily the case that education systems in some countries are better than others. Otherwise your argument is that it's impossible to distinguish between failing and successful education systems. This is demonstrably false.
What is true is that you can't simply copy wholesale the education system of one country and transplant it into another. But I struggle to see what is unique about British culture that indicates against teaching Maths to age 18 like most of the rest of the OECD.
Secondly the use of the word "just" in the final sentence to minimise the importance of Maths education in relative economic performance is unwarranted. Teaching Maths well, as well as good Education in general, is a factor that determines a country's economic success.
If, as a country, you want to succeed economically then you have to pay attention to all such factors, particularly those such as education quality that are more directly under your control, unlike, say, geography or geology. Dismissing them as "just one factor" is the route to failure.
You are correct that there are significant differences in the quality of education systems across countries, and that math education is an important factor in a country's economic success. I agree that if a country wants to succeed economically, it needs to pay attention to all factors that contribute to its competitiveness, including the quality of education.
However, it's also important to recognize that there are many other factors that contribute to a country's economic success, such as its natural resources, infrastructure, political stability, and so on. No single factor is determinative, and different countries will have different strengths and weaknesses that they need to address in order to achieve economic success.
I hope this clears up any misunderstanding. Please let me know if you have any other questions."
CHATGBT makes life a lot easier!
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Yes, I shouldn't rise to it!Stocky said:
I think he's winding you up. "Lived" experience is the clue.Casino_Royale said:
Apologies. I forgot it was entirely futile engaging with you on this subject.OnlyLivingBoy said:
I don't want to negate your lived experience, I'm just offering my own as a counterpoint. The forces of woke are obviously more active in Hampshire than in Inner London - who knew?Casino_Royale said:
That isn't, but there's an increasing focus in some educational institutions to teach history almost solely through the prism of identity politics, as the post of @AlistairM demonstrates. I also encountered it myself at my daughter's previous school, so I withdrew her.BartholomewRoberts said:
My kids learn English history too. Last term included the Great Fire of London and the Plague.OnlyLivingBoy said:
It's just not my experience, that's all. Our kids learn about the Tudors and 20th century European history, mainly. The school has started to teach about West African kingdoms, too, which I think is a good thing, a teacher at the school helped to develop the curriculum so it is very well taught and sounds extremely interesting. My son was really engaged by it.Casino_Royale said:
And, we keep being told that such Woke agendas in education don't exist and that such agendas are totally fabricated; a fantasy in the minds of "reactionaries".AlistairM said:
A few weeks ago my 13yo daughter was struggling on the conclusion for her history homework. It was about the civil rights movement in the US. She'd done some Googling but hadn't made much progress. I decided to fire up Chat GPT and decided to ask it the question that she'd been asked to answer and prompted for an A4 page response (the length she was expected to give). The response it gave was very plausible. We kept all the work that she'd used up to then but used its conclusion to help her write her own final paragraph. I suspect we could have copied and pasted the entire response and the teacher would never have known.Leon said:Am I the only sane person on here? AI is clearly going to revolutionise education. But it won’t all be bad. Teaching will be easier:
“Still think ChatGPT is bad for education?
I just gave it a mark scheme and a sample student answer from an AQA GCSE English Language paper.
Look what happened 👇
*Spoiler: It marked it accurately in seconds*
#education #edutwitter #edtech #AI”
https://twitter.com/danfitztweets/status/1609675061211930625?s=46&t=5D3OrwpAXOPOwYLcHjcJzg
And kids all over the world can get one-to-one tuition
“The one thing we know works for education is 1-1 tutoring vs one-to-many classroom
1-1 tutoring with humans for everyone is economically infeasible
But the promise of AI and ChatGPT systems will be 1-1 tutoring for everyone in the world”
https://twitter.com/alexandr_wang/status/1608996309897465856?s=46&t=5D3OrwpAXOPOwYLcHjcJzg
But be in no doubt, the Revolution is here
“Forget year in review: lets talk about how technology transformed education in the last MONTH thanks to ChatGPT
💥How to use it to educate: oneusefulthing.substack.com/p/how-to-use-a…
👨🏫Automating my job as a professor: oneusefulthing.substack.com/p/the-mechanic…
🤖How my students are using it: oneusefulthing.substack.com/p/the-street-f…
https://twitter.com/emollick/status/1608814300805861377?s=46&t=5D3OrwpAXOPOwYLcHjcJzg
As an aside she is taught almost exclusively about "diverse" history and knows very little of British or European history. I find it very sad that children seem to know only small amounts of history on the island which they live.
It's almost as if they don't want us to challenge it.
Not sure what is woke or rewriting history there?
We shouldn't deny this is a problem.1 -
It does seem like the situation varies. It's certainly not something we have come against, the only place I've heard about woke etc is on this site.Casino_Royale said:
Interesting. And reassuring.Gardenwalker said:My kids’ school in New York appears to draw parents trying to escape the woke invasion of private schools here.
The place is blissfully normal, and nobody cares about critical race theory. Having said that, the nativity play did feature some kind of Kwanza interlude.
Just to be clear: I don't want to set up a false dichotomy here, although I bet I will be accused of it.
I am not arguing that women's rights, civil rights, slavery etc. should not be covered in history lessons - quite the opposite.
I am arguing that should not be the prism solely through which all history is taught, and it should always be put in the context of the times.
My daughters great historical question that was puzzling her which she asked over the Christmas holidays was: Since the Plague was spread by rats, and rats still exist today, how come people today don't get the Plague?
Racial matters too where it comes up I think her school has handled very well for her age group. The school does Nativities and learns about Christian beliefs etc, but also she has learnt more about Eid, Diwali and other faiths etc than we were ever taught at school. That to me seems to be a very good thing and more education there doesn't take anything away from anyone.1 -
Love all that - I am a passionate student of history.TimS said:
On the subject of dichotomy I do think there is a vast hinterland of history which is neither British domestic stuff (which I agree is important as it's important for shared cultural reference points, like the Bible and Shakespeare) nor empire, slavery or other "bad stuff we did elsewhere" but is "important things other people in other countries did where Britain isn't the centre of the action". That means European and Asian history in particular. To understand the world and geopolitics, as well as geography and beyond Napoleon and Hitler it really helps to understand:Casino_Royale said:
Interesting. And reassuring.Gardenwalker said:My kids’ school in New York appears to draw parents trying to escape the woke invasion of private schools here.
The place is blissfully normal, and nobody cares about critical race theory. Having said that, the nativity play did feature some kind of Kwanza interlude.
Just to be clear: I don't want to set up a false dichotomy here, although I bet I will be accused of it.
I am not arguing that women's rights, civil rights, slavery etc. should not be covered in history lessons - quite the opposite.
I am arguing that should not be the prism solely through which all history is taught, and it should always be put in the context of the times.
- The civilisations of ancient history (Mesopotamia, Egypt, Indus Valley, India, China, Greece, Rome)
- The religious empires of the middle ages: the holy Roman empire, the Islamic caliphate
- The European reformation and the wars of religion
- Continental empires: Mongols and their successors, Russia, Austria-Hungary, Ottoman, China
- The conquistadores and age of exploration
- The rise of the nation state
- Japan, Korea and the 20th century politics of the Far East
- The Cold war and Soviet Union
The best thing we can teach our kids is to have that same passion, since we'll never be able to teach them everything.1 -
Brown and Boris are the most recent arts and humanities graduates who became PM (arguably May with Geography), PPE is more social science as is law. Thatcher did chemistryTOPPING said:
Plenty of arts grads in stonkingly good jobs. Some have even become prime ministers.Leon said:
I’ve already said on this thread that education is good in and of itself. My argument is that it will become a pleasing skill rather than a necessary qualification for employmentTOPPING said:
Of all people to decry such an education.Leon said:
Yes, it’s a definite problem and it’s a problem in London as much as anywhereCasino_Royale said:
I went to state sixth form college, my sister went to stste schools throughout her childhood and my nephews both went there.Nigelb said:
How much practical experience of the current state system do you have ?Casino_Royale said:
Yup, such nonsense very neatly describes the utter idiocy of the marxist Left on history.beinndearg said:
I would have thought that intercontinental interactions are what shape and explain our world. Narrow focus UK and Europe history boil down to a bunch of repetitive parochial spats between posh rich whiteys using the poor as pawns. Looked at from far enough out.AlistairM said:
A few weeks ago my 13yo daughter was struggling on the conclusion for her history homework. It was about the civil rights movement in the US. She'd done some Googling but hadn't made much progress. I decided to fire up Chat GPT and decided to ask it the question that she'd been asked to answer and prompted for an A4 page response (the length she was expected to give). The response it gave was very plausible. We kept all the work that she'd used up to then but used its conclusion to help her write her own final paragraph. I suspect we could have copied and pasted the entire response and the teacher would never have known.Leon said:Am I the only sane person on here? AI is clearly going to revolutionise education. But it won’t all be bad. Teaching will be easier:
“Still think ChatGPT is bad for education?
I just gave it a mark scheme and a sample student answer from an AQA GCSE English Language paper.
Look what happened 👇
*Spoiler: It marked it accurately in seconds*
#education #edutwitter #edtech #AI”
https://twitter.com/danfitztweets/status/1609675061211930625?s=46&t=5D3OrwpAXOPOwYLcHjcJzg
And kids all over the world can get one-to-one tuition
“The one thing we know works for education is 1-1 tutoring vs one-to-many classroom
1-1 tutoring with humans for everyone is economically infeasible
But the promise of AI and ChatGPT systems will be 1-1 tutoring for everyone in the world”
https://twitter.com/alexandr_wang/status/1608996309897465856?s=46&t=5D3OrwpAXOPOwYLcHjcJzg
But be in no doubt, the Revolution is here
“Forget year in review: lets talk about how technology transformed education in the last MONTH thanks to ChatGPT
💥How to use it to educate: oneusefulthing.substack.com/p/how-to-use-a…
👨🏫Automating my job as a professor: oneusefulthing.substack.com/p/the-mechanic…
🤖How my students are using it: oneusefulthing.substack.com/p/the-street-f…
https://twitter.com/emollick/status/1608814300805861377?s=46&t=5D3OrwpAXOPOwYLcHjcJzg
As an aside she is taught almost exclusively about "diverse" history and knows very little of British or European history. I find it very sad that children seem to know only small amounts of history on the island which they live.
And what utter bollocks it is.
I will send my children to schools that teach it properly or otherwise privately tutor them myself.
I am also familiar with the curriculums taught locally. My ex-girlfriend also attended a history lessons during her PCGE course at a Southampton comprehensive entitled "there ain't no black in the union jack".
I am done with denialism and whataboutery on this. IT IS A PROBLEM.
The question is what we do about it so we don't radicalise and indoctrinate future generations.
At the age of 15 my eldest was well schooled on every possible significant black figure in British history - I never want to hear the words Mary Seacole again - but she did not know much at all about the Battle of Hastings. She vaguely knew it was important. Didn’t really know who was fighting. Or who won
And she’s smart
You can't on the one hand say out with maths, the arts, you name it because it has no relevance to life today; and on the other hand bemoan the lack of teaching of the Battle of Hastings in favour of teaching about a figure who influences so very many aspects of life today, both for you and your eldest.
Learning maths will be like learning the clarinet to grade 5. It’s nice that you can do it but will it help you get a job? No not so much
In that scenario it will be awfully hard to motivate a lot of students0 -
It says something about our current state of trust in the government that I "hmm"d to this tweet rather than just laughing:
"I wonder what the Tories are actually up to today while we are all talking about maths?"
https://twitter.com/markolver/status/1610565375908892673?s=20&t=xLcTcf9xnoAmbSXMlRZwAQ1 -
You neglected her education, then ?Leon said:
Yes, it’s a definite problem and it’s a problem in London as much as anywhereCasino_Royale said:
I went to state sixth form college, my sister went to stste schools throughout her childhood and my nephews both went there.Nigelb said:
How much practical experience of the current state system do you have ?Casino_Royale said:
Yup, such nonsense very neatly describes the utter idiocy of the marxist Left on history.beinndearg said:
I would have thought that intercontinental interactions are what shape and explain our world. Narrow focus UK and Europe history boil down to a bunch of repetitive parochial spats between posh rich whiteys using the poor as pawns. Looked at from far enough out.AlistairM said:
A few weeks ago my 13yo daughter was struggling on the conclusion for her history homework. It was about the civil rights movement in the US. She'd done some Googling but hadn't made much progress. I decided to fire up Chat GPT and decided to ask it the question that she'd been asked to answer and prompted for an A4 page response (the length she was expected to give). The response it gave was very plausible. We kept all the work that she'd used up to then but used its conclusion to help her write her own final paragraph. I suspect we could have copied and pasted the entire response and the teacher would never have known.Leon said:Am I the only sane person on here? AI is clearly going to revolutionise education. But it won’t all be bad. Teaching will be easier:
“Still think ChatGPT is bad for education?
I just gave it a mark scheme and a sample student answer from an AQA GCSE English Language paper.
Look what happened 👇
*Spoiler: It marked it accurately in seconds*
#education #edutwitter #edtech #AI”
https://twitter.com/danfitztweets/status/1609675061211930625?s=46&t=5D3OrwpAXOPOwYLcHjcJzg
And kids all over the world can get one-to-one tuition
“The one thing we know works for education is 1-1 tutoring vs one-to-many classroom
1-1 tutoring with humans for everyone is economically infeasible
But the promise of AI and ChatGPT systems will be 1-1 tutoring for everyone in the world”
https://twitter.com/alexandr_wang/status/1608996309897465856?s=46&t=5D3OrwpAXOPOwYLcHjcJzg
But be in no doubt, the Revolution is here
“Forget year in review: lets talk about how technology transformed education in the last MONTH thanks to ChatGPT
💥How to use it to educate: oneusefulthing.substack.com/p/how-to-use-a…
👨🏫Automating my job as a professor: oneusefulthing.substack.com/p/the-mechanic…
🤖How my students are using it: oneusefulthing.substack.com/p/the-street-f…
https://twitter.com/emollick/status/1608814300805861377?s=46&t=5D3OrwpAXOPOwYLcHjcJzg
As an aside she is taught almost exclusively about "diverse" history and knows very little of British or European history. I find it very sad that children seem to know only small amounts of history on the island which they live.
And what utter bollocks it is.
I will send my children to schools that teach it properly or otherwise privately tutor them myself.
I am also familiar with the curriculums taught locally. My ex-girlfriend also attended a history lessons during her PCGE course at a Southampton comprehensive entitled "there ain't no black in the union jack".
I am done with denialism and whataboutery on this. IT IS A PROBLEM.
The question is what we do about it so we don't radicalise and indoctrinate future generations.
At the age of 15 my eldest was well schooled on every possible significant black figure in British history - I never want to hear the words Mary Seacole again - but she did not know much at all about the Battle of Hastings. She vaguely knew it was important. Didn’t really know who was fighting. Or who won
And she’s smart0 -
What do we make of Coral using the related contingencies defence here ?
Staffordshire gambler denied £15,000 winnings on World Cup bets by huge betting company Coral.
https://www.itv.com/news/central/2023-01-03/gambler-denied-15000-world-cup-winnings-after-behind-the-counter-mistake0 -
I understand your point but I think there will be a role for "average" people who will be employed by the AIs to experience for them, something the AIs can't do, at least not human experience.HYUFD said:
What new jobs are going to be created then the average IQ person, not especially creative can do which AI can't do? Let alone for those of below average IQ?BartholomewRoberts said:
That's Luddite bullshit.HYUFD said:
In which case all but the top 1% most creative and innovative and skilled will be out of work in most fields.Leon said:
Mate, I wish that were true. I fear it is notHYUFD said:
If AI makes most STEM, finance, accountancy, law jobs redundant that will change.Leon said:
I don’t disagree at all. The problem is going to be persuading the kids to learn when it becomes evermore pointless and doesn’t help them get work, as all knowledge work is automatedTOPPING said:
For 85% of people reading A Portrait of the Artist is pointless but it's still worth equipping as many people as possible with the tools to do so in a civilised society.Leon said:A reminder: Only 15% of the population have an IQ level of 115 or above. An IQ above 115 is considered to be a 'High IQ'
For 85% of people advanced maths is simply pointless. They can’t do it and, besides, they have a tiny brilliant machine that can solve all practical daily maths questions, anyway
Soon they will have a new machine which they won’t even require numbers. You’ll just ask it the query “what is a third of a third”
Kids are already fleeing the Humanities for this exact reason: these degrees don’t lead to jobs
https://www.latimes.com/opinion/story/2022-10-24/college-humanities-decline
The few jobs left will be the most creative ones machines can't do, which humanities teach
GPT3.5 is already churning out pretty good creative writing - poetry, stories. SDiffusion and DALL-E2 are producing some notable art (which is being used commercially already)
In 2 or 3 iterations (3-5 years?) they will be as good at the best creative stuff as almost any human. In ten years unimaginably better than any human
Tiny arguments on Reddit will rage as to whether these machines are “truly” creative. It won’t matter, because the machines will simply be better, and we will avidly consume their creations
We then return to the inevitability of a universal basic income funded by a robot tax the more AI is used across sectors, whether creative arts, manufacturing, professional finance, accountancy and law or basic menial tasks
As jobs are eliminated, new ones are created. People have ingenuity. We do different jobs than the past, but the idea of a jobless age has always been and always will be Dystopian SciFi bullshit.
There may still be permanent jobs for very high IQ, highly creative people but they are only a small minority
A bit like Leon experiencing tourist hotspots for the rest of us.0 -
Where I diverge a little bit, here, is that different races should be taught histories in slightly different ways.LostPassword said:
England's identity as, "definitely not a Catholic country," used to be a lot more important to its sense of self then it is now, and clearly the Tudor period was central to that.Casino_Royale said:
The point is that teaching it solely through the prism of identity politics introduces a bias into it, in the same way it would to teach it solely through a Whig one or a Marxist one.Endillion said:
If the argument is that schoolchild in the world should learn world history, and end up with relatively similar curricula across countries, then fair enough. It's not a view I agree with, but it's certainly defensible.Casino_Royale said:
History is the summation of the whole human story to date - taught in our islands should have a particular focus on British history because that's where we live and it explains our institutions and values and how we got here. It should not be taught solely through the prism of gender, race and sexuality - as the Woke would have it.beinndearg said:
Sure, but your world picture has to explain the "utter idiocy of the marxist Left on history" if that is a major facet of our modern world to you (and it clearly is).Casino_Royale said:
Yup, such nonsense very neatly describes the utter idiocy of the marxist Left on history.beinndearg said:
I would have thought that intercontinental interactions are what shape and explain our world. Narrow focus UK and Europe history boil down to a bunch of repetitive parochial spats between posh rich whiteys using the poor as pawns. Looked at from far enough out.AlistairM said:
A few weeks ago my 13yo daughter was struggling on the conclusion for her history homework. It was about the civil rights movement in the US. She'd done some Googling but hadn't made much progress. I decided to fire up Chat GPT and decided to ask it the question that she'd been asked to answer and prompted for an A4 page response (the length she was expected to give). The response it gave was very plausible. We kept all the work that she'd used up to then but used its conclusion to help her write her own final paragraph. I suspect we could have copied and pasted the entire response and the teacher would never have known.Leon said:Am I the only sane person on here? AI is clearly going to revolutionise education. But it won’t all be bad. Teaching will be easier:
“Still think ChatGPT is bad for education?
I just gave it a mark scheme and a sample student answer from an AQA GCSE English Language paper.
Look what happened 👇
*Spoiler: It marked it accurately in seconds*
#education #edutwitter #edtech #AI”
https://twitter.com/danfitztweets/status/1609675061211930625?s=46&t=5D3OrwpAXOPOwYLcHjcJzg
And kids all over the world can get one-to-one tuition
“The one thing we know works for education is 1-1 tutoring vs one-to-many classroom
1-1 tutoring with humans for everyone is economically infeasible
But the promise of AI and ChatGPT systems will be 1-1 tutoring for everyone in the world”
https://twitter.com/alexandr_wang/status/1608996309897465856?s=46&t=5D3OrwpAXOPOwYLcHjcJzg
But be in no doubt, the Revolution is here
“Forget year in review: lets talk about how technology transformed education in the last MONTH thanks to ChatGPT
💥How to use it to educate: oneusefulthing.substack.com/p/how-to-use-a…
👨🏫Automating my job as a professor: oneusefulthing.substack.com/p/the-mechanic…
🤖How my students are using it: oneusefulthing.substack.com/p/the-street-f…
https://twitter.com/emollick/status/1608814300805861377?s=46&t=5D3OrwpAXOPOwYLcHjcJzg
As an aside she is taught almost exclusively about "diverse" history and knows very little of British or European history. I find it very sad that children seem to know only small amounts of history on the island which they live.
And what utter bollocks it is.
I will send my children to schools that teach it properly or otherwise privately tutor them myself.
A spectre is haunting casinoRoyaleville; the spectre of Woke. Is Woke itself better explained by various facets of intercontinental trade and war, or by whether Philip of Anjou edged it on penalties over Charles of Austria?
One day lesser minds, like yours, will come round to this, but for now it's far easier for you to be a dumb sheep.
However, in practice I suspect that most proponents of teaching "diverse" history in the UK would baulk at the teaching of, say, the Napoleonic Wars in a Nigerian school, as "colonialist".
It should focus on a factual story of the major events that got us to where we are today, triangulated to the broader context in the wider world, and encourage children to interpret and challenge primary and secondary sources themselves to figure it out.
The heavy focus on the Tudors, as opposed to the Civil War, I find a bit weird - to be honest. We were a republic for nearly 11 years, and then exported the religious puritans to New England, helping to spawn America and how it is today, and that feels just as significant - if not more so.
As others have mentioned a lot of the present curriculum is determined by what Minister's parents were taught at school (+WWII for history), and so no-one's really rethought how to teach our history.
I was never taught about the Acts of Union at my English school, which seems a rather remarkable gap. Though we did learn about the US civil rights movement and, unsurprisingly, that was the topic that most interested many of my fellow south London inner suburban classmates. I don't think they'd have been as interested as I would have been to learn more about Alfred the Great.
We are all British and I think we all agree (well, most of us do) that race should ultimately become as irrelevant as your hair and eye colour, so, I do want history to be taught in a unifying way.0 -
You really are as stupid as you make out. A gold plated Bellend.BartholomewRoberts said:
I never proposed defaulting on debts.beinndearg said:
No it isn't. Governments pay their debts is the first rule of a first world, rule of law country.BartholomewRoberts said:
It is. The last time it ran a surplus was in 2002, hence austerity. So let's talk.beinndearg said:
The contracting party was the UK Government. When that goes bust we can talk.BartholomewRoberts said:
If the contracting party has the funds available to pay the contract, then they can pay it.beinndearg said:
I thought you were a fan of market forces? These gold plated pensions (and I cannot stress enough that I don't have one) were what the labour market dictated at the time you needed to pay these people to do the job they did. Your proposal to rewrite those contracts is pure communism: to each according to his needs, not what a contracting party agreed to pay him. Whereas where you are not personally disadvantaged we get caricature capitalism; the good people of Wick should pay the market price for having their parcels delivered even if that is £1000 a go.BartholomewRoberts said:
That could have been a cogent argument if it was made decades ago, but it wasn't.MaxPB said:
The first point is the most important and the problem that Bart is pointing out is that in this environment of ageing/obesity the NHS is still attempting to extend life expectancy. Maybe, just maybe, it's time to accept we live in a resource limited environment and stop extending life expectancy.Gardenwalker said:Health spending has not kept up with population growth + ageing/obesity + health inflation.
This is especially true with respect to capital investment, or in simplest terms, “beds”.
On top of those limitations, we can’t release people quickly enough from hospital into social care because (a) we don’t fund that properly either, and (b) we’ve lost a lot of staff from that sector.
Covid’s overhang continues to mean acute pressures; people are just sicker than they were before.
Apparently Rishi is fully focused on this (alongside his maths idea) so let’s see what he has to say.
We have a particular and long forewarned problem of one specific generation that seriously outnumber both those that came before it, and those that came after it. But what sacrifice is that generation making?
Future generations won't be retiring at 65 on gold plated pensions. The problem there has already been somewhat addressed but for those who have retired at 65 on a gold plated pension, what's the solution?
Any proposals to extend working is in the future, not for that generation. In the future the problem will have gone anyway, but our generation could be working into the seventies and beyond before retirement but without a demographic boom in that generation. How does extending that further address the problem of those who are already retired and have 3 to 4 or more decades of retirement?
If it doesn't, then it shouldn't be subsidised or paid for by taxpayers. If you are in a contract and the other party goes bust, then you lose whatever you contracted.
The good people of Wick I'm sure would rather go collect their own parcels than pay 1000 a go so the market would find equilibrium without interference.
Any funds that were put to one side should be used. Anything else, is just politics.
I don't think what you propose is possible anyway. The government's obligation to pay these pensions is no different from its obligation to pay coupons and redemptions on gilts. I would think our debt would be rerated as junk if it tried to default.
But triple locking pensions isn't a debt that is owed.
Taxing pensioners by less than we tax working people isn't a debt that is owed.
If you want to start things off, you could equalise taxes by abolishing national insurance and the graduate tax so that a young graduate starting to work or a retired gold plated pensioner or anyone in between is on the same tax rate.
Without defaulting on anything.0 -
There's too much world history to cover it all, though I do think knowledge of the Middle Ages is particularly poor.Casino_Royale said:
Love all that - I am a passionate student of history.TimS said:
On the subject of dichotomy I do think there is a vast hinterland of history which is neither British domestic stuff (which I agree is important as it's important for shared cultural reference points, like the Bible and Shakespeare) nor empire, slavery or other "bad stuff we did elsewhere" but is "important things other people in other countries did where Britain isn't the centre of the action". That means European and Asian history in particular. To understand the world and geopolitics, as well as geography and beyond Napoleon and Hitler it really helps to understand:Casino_Royale said:
Interesting. And reassuring.Gardenwalker said:My kids’ school in New York appears to draw parents trying to escape the woke invasion of private schools here.
The place is blissfully normal, and nobody cares about critical race theory. Having said that, the nativity play did feature some kind of Kwanza interlude.
Just to be clear: I don't want to set up a false dichotomy here, although I bet I will be accused of it.
I am not arguing that women's rights, civil rights, slavery etc. should not be covered in history lessons - quite the opposite.
I am arguing that should not be the prism solely through which all history is taught, and it should always be put in the context of the times.
- The civilisations of ancient history (Mesopotamia, Egypt, Indus Valley, India, China, Greece, Rome)
- The religious empires of the middle ages: the holy Roman empire, the Islamic caliphate
- The European reformation and the wars of religion
- Continental empires: Mongols and their successors, Russia, Austria-Hungary, Ottoman, China
- The conquistadores and age of exploration
- The rise of the nation state
- Japan, Korea and the 20th century politics of the Far East
- The Cold war and Soviet Union
The best thing we can teach our kids is to have that same passion, since we'll never be able to teach them everything.
There is simply no excuse for not teaching the early modern period, the industrial revolution, colonization, the world wars and the Cold War however.0 -
With respect, you have a strong view on colonialism and it only leans one-way.kinabalu said:
One does expect a British angle on things discussed by Britons in Britain. Hence why our colonialism (big and recent and OURS) shouldn't be contextualized away with "it's complicated" and "we were no worse than others" and "what about the Romans?" etc etc. Yet this what many try to do. Happens every single time we get into it.Casino_Royale said:
History is the summation of the whole human story to date - taught in our islands should have a particular focus on British history because that's where we live and it explains our institutions and values and how we got here. It should not be taught solely through the prism of gender, race and sexuality - as the Woke would have it.beinndearg said:
Sure, but your world picture has to explain the "utter idiocy of the marxist Left on history" if that is a major facet of our modern world to you (and it clearly is).Casino_Royale said:
Yup, such nonsense very neatly describes the utter idiocy of the marxist Left on history.beinndearg said:
I would have thought that intercontinental interactions are what shape and explain our world. Narrow focus UK and Europe history boil down to a bunch of repetitive parochial spats between posh rich whiteys using the poor as pawns. Looked at from far enough out.AlistairM said:
A few weeks ago my 13yo daughter was struggling on the conclusion for her history homework. It was about the civil rights movement in the US. She'd done some Googling but hadn't made much progress. I decided to fire up Chat GPT and decided to ask it the question that she'd been asked to answer and prompted for an A4 page response (the length she was expected to give). The response it gave was very plausible. We kept all the work that she'd used up to then but used its conclusion to help her write her own final paragraph. I suspect we could have copied and pasted the entire response and the teacher would never have known.Leon said:Am I the only sane person on here? AI is clearly going to revolutionise education. But it won’t all be bad. Teaching will be easier:
“Still think ChatGPT is bad for education?
I just gave it a mark scheme and a sample student answer from an AQA GCSE English Language paper.
Look what happened 👇
*Spoiler: It marked it accurately in seconds*
#education #edutwitter #edtech #AI”
https://twitter.com/danfitztweets/status/1609675061211930625?s=46&t=5D3OrwpAXOPOwYLcHjcJzg
And kids all over the world can get one-to-one tuition
“The one thing we know works for education is 1-1 tutoring vs one-to-many classroom
1-1 tutoring with humans for everyone is economically infeasible
But the promise of AI and ChatGPT systems will be 1-1 tutoring for everyone in the world”
https://twitter.com/alexandr_wang/status/1608996309897465856?s=46&t=5D3OrwpAXOPOwYLcHjcJzg
But be in no doubt, the Revolution is here
“Forget year in review: lets talk about how technology transformed education in the last MONTH thanks to ChatGPT
💥How to use it to educate: oneusefulthing.substack.com/p/how-to-use-a…
👨🏫Automating my job as a professor: oneusefulthing.substack.com/p/the-mechanic…
🤖How my students are using it: oneusefulthing.substack.com/p/the-street-f…
https://twitter.com/emollick/status/1608814300805861377?s=46&t=5D3OrwpAXOPOwYLcHjcJzg
As an aside she is taught almost exclusively about "diverse" history and knows very little of British or European history. I find it very sad that children seem to know only small amounts of history on the island which they live.
And what utter bollocks it is.
I will send my children to schools that teach it properly or otherwise privately tutor them myself.
A spectre is haunting casinoRoyaleville; the spectre of Woke. Is Woke itself better explained by various facets of intercontinental trade and war, or by whether Philip of Anjou edged it on penalties over Charles of Austria?
One day lesser minds, like yours, will come round to this, but for now it's far easier for you to be a dumb sheep.
I have no issue with the facts being taught. I do have an issue with those facts being highly selective and placed outwith the context of the times.
We are able to teach a balanced history of the Roman empire. It shouldn't be hard to do the same for the British.1 -
His diaries are bloody brilliant, though.OnlyLivingBoy said:
Samuel Pepys and his bloody cheese!TimS said:
Not the same secondary school, but my son has friends there.OnlyLivingBoy said:
Aren't we almost neighbours and might therefore be talking about the same secondary school (located in SE14)?TimS said:
Same at our local school. The bloody Tudors, the Victorian era, WW1 and 2, then at secondary school it's 1066, and yet more world war stuff. They learn about slavery and African kingdoms and a tiny bit about the empire.OnlyLivingBoy said:
It's just not my experience, that's all. Our kids learn about the Tudors and 20th century European history, mainly. The school has started to teach about West African kingdoms, too, which I think is a good thing, a teacher at the school helped to develop the curriculum so it is very well taught and sounds extremely interesting. My son was really engaged by it.Casino_Royale said:
And, we keep being told that such Woke agendas in education don't exist and that such agendas are totally fabricated; a fantasy in the minds of "reactionaries".AlistairM said:
A few weeks ago my 13yo daughter was struggling on the conclusion for her history homework. It was about the civil rights movement in the US. She'd done some Googling but hadn't made much progress. I decided to fire up Chat GPT and decided to ask it the question that she'd been asked to answer and prompted for an A4 page response (the length she was expected to give). The response it gave was very plausible. We kept all the work that she'd used up to then but used its conclusion to help her write her own final paragraph. I suspect we could have copied and pasted the entire response and the teacher would never have known.Leon said:Am I the only sane person on here? AI is clearly going to revolutionise education. But it won’t all be bad. Teaching will be easier:
“Still think ChatGPT is bad for education?
I just gave it a mark scheme and a sample student answer from an AQA GCSE English Language paper.
Look what happened 👇
*Spoiler: It marked it accurately in seconds*
#education #edutwitter #edtech #AI”
https://twitter.com/danfitztweets/status/1609675061211930625?s=46&t=5D3OrwpAXOPOwYLcHjcJzg
And kids all over the world can get one-to-one tuition
“The one thing we know works for education is 1-1 tutoring vs one-to-many classroom
1-1 tutoring with humans for everyone is economically infeasible
But the promise of AI and ChatGPT systems will be 1-1 tutoring for everyone in the world”
https://twitter.com/alexandr_wang/status/1608996309897465856?s=46&t=5D3OrwpAXOPOwYLcHjcJzg
But be in no doubt, the Revolution is here
“Forget year in review: lets talk about how technology transformed education in the last MONTH thanks to ChatGPT
💥How to use it to educate: oneusefulthing.substack.com/p/how-to-use-a…
👨🏫Automating my job as a professor: oneusefulthing.substack.com/p/the-mechanic…
🤖How my students are using it: oneusefulthing.substack.com/p/the-street-f…
https://twitter.com/emollick/status/1608814300805861377?s=46&t=5D3OrwpAXOPOwYLcHjcJzg
As an aside she is taught almost exclusively about "diverse" history and knows very little of British or European history. I find it very sad that children seem to know only small amounts of history on the island which they live.
It's almost as if they don't want us to challenge it.
What you get none of - and we had almost none of in my time either - is wider European history. Has the typical year 11 student any concept of who Charlemagne was, or the 30 years war, or the Moorish conquests or Mongol invasions, do they know Germany and Italy used to be clusters of tiny kingdoms and principalities or that there used to be these two massive empires within Ryanair distance of us run by the Habsburgs and the Ottomans? No, they know about Henry the 8th, Hitler and the Nazis and William the Conqueror. If they're lucky they might heave heard a passing reference to the French and Russian revolutions and learned about the Battle of Trafalgar.
I forgot to mention the plague and the great fire of London. They definitely get lots of that.1 -
Indeed.com - Have a browse.Leon said:
It might help your argument if you could provide examples of these new jobsBartholomewRoberts said:
Then why do we have full employment? 🤦♂️HYUFD said:
What new jobs are going to be created then the average IQ person, not especially creative can do which AI can't do? Let alone for those of below average IQ?BartholomewRoberts said:
That's Luddite bullshit.HYUFD said:
In which case all but the top 1% most creative and innovative and skilled will be out of work in most fields.Leon said:
Mate, I wish that were true. I fear it is notHYUFD said:
If AI makes most STEM, finance, accountancy, law jobs redundant that will change.Leon said:
I don’t disagree at all. The problem is going to be persuading the kids to learn when it becomes evermore pointless and doesn’t help them get work, as all knowledge work is automatedTOPPING said:
For 85% of people reading A Portrait of the Artist is pointless but it's still worth equipping as many people as possible with the tools to do so in a civilised society.Leon said:A reminder: Only 15% of the population have an IQ level of 115 or above. An IQ above 115 is considered to be a 'High IQ'
For 85% of people advanced maths is simply pointless. They can’t do it and, besides, they have a tiny brilliant machine that can solve all practical daily maths questions, anyway
Soon they will have a new machine which they won’t even require numbers. You’ll just ask it the query “what is a third of a third”
Kids are already fleeing the Humanities for this exact reason: these degrees don’t lead to jobs
https://www.latimes.com/opinion/story/2022-10-24/college-humanities-decline
The few jobs left will be the most creative ones machines can't do, which humanities teach
GPT3.5 is already churning out pretty good creative writing - poetry, stories. SDiffusion and DALL-E2 are producing some notable art (which is being used commercially already)
In 2 or 3 iterations (3-5 years?) they will be as good at the best creative stuff as almost any human. In ten years unimaginably better than any human
Tiny arguments on Reddit will rage as to whether these machines are “truly” creative. It won’t matter, because the machines will simply be better, and we will avidly consume their creations
We then return to the inevitability of a universal basic income funded by a robot tax the more AI is used across sectors, whether creative arts, manufacturing, professional finance, accountancy and law or basic menial tasks
As jobs are eliminated, new ones are created. People have ingenuity. We do different jobs than the past, but the idea of a jobless age has always been and always will be Dystopian SciFi bullshit.
There may still be permanent jobs for very high IQ, highly creative people but they are only a small minority
There's 300 years of history showing Luddidm is wrong. You're only limited by your own weak imagination.
People will use their ingenuity to create jobs and opportunities. Just as we always have done.
We have full employment. Many of the jobs today wouldn't exist in the past, and many that exist today won't in the future but new ones will. It's how we get progress.2 -
Anyone watching Sunak?0
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A reminder that last year Rishi Sunak's Government actually *reduced* its target for training new maths teachers by 27%.TimS said:It says something about our current state of trust in the government that I "hmm"d to this tweet rather than just laughing:
"I wonder what the Tories are actually up to today while we are all talking about maths?"
https://twitter.com/markolver/status/1610565375908892673?s=20&t=xLcTcf9xnoAmbSXMlRZwAQ
Meanwhile, the latest stats suggest nearly half of all schools are forced to use non-specialists to teach kids because of a shortage of maths teachers.
https://twitter.com/AdamBienkov/status/16105845896883609600 -
No, I took her to Waltham Abbey and showed her the likely grave of King Harold Godwinson and Edith Swan NeckNigelb said:
You neglected her education, then ?Leon said:
Yes, it’s a definite problem and it’s a problem in London as much as anywhereCasino_Royale said:
I went to state sixth form college, my sister went to stste schools throughout her childhood and my nephews both went there.Nigelb said:
How much practical experience of the current state system do you have ?Casino_Royale said:
Yup, such nonsense very neatly describes the utter idiocy of the marxist Left on history.beinndearg said:
I would have thought that intercontinental interactions are what shape and explain our world. Narrow focus UK and Europe history boil down to a bunch of repetitive parochial spats between posh rich whiteys using the poor as pawns. Looked at from far enough out.AlistairM said:
A few weeks ago my 13yo daughter was struggling on the conclusion for her history homework. It was about the civil rights movement in the US. She'd done some Googling but hadn't made much progress. I decided to fire up Chat GPT and decided to ask it the question that she'd been asked to answer and prompted for an A4 page response (the length she was expected to give). The response it gave was very plausible. We kept all the work that she'd used up to then but used its conclusion to help her write her own final paragraph. I suspect we could have copied and pasted the entire response and the teacher would never have known.Leon said:Am I the only sane person on here? AI is clearly going to revolutionise education. But it won’t all be bad. Teaching will be easier:
“Still think ChatGPT is bad for education?
I just gave it a mark scheme and a sample student answer from an AQA GCSE English Language paper.
Look what happened 👇
*Spoiler: It marked it accurately in seconds*
#education #edutwitter #edtech #AI”
https://twitter.com/danfitztweets/status/1609675061211930625?s=46&t=5D3OrwpAXOPOwYLcHjcJzg
And kids all over the world can get one-to-one tuition
“The one thing we know works for education is 1-1 tutoring vs one-to-many classroom
1-1 tutoring with humans for everyone is economically infeasible
But the promise of AI and ChatGPT systems will be 1-1 tutoring for everyone in the world”
https://twitter.com/alexandr_wang/status/1608996309897465856?s=46&t=5D3OrwpAXOPOwYLcHjcJzg
But be in no doubt, the Revolution is here
“Forget year in review: lets talk about how technology transformed education in the last MONTH thanks to ChatGPT
💥How to use it to educate: oneusefulthing.substack.com/p/how-to-use-a…
👨🏫Automating my job as a professor: oneusefulthing.substack.com/p/the-mechanic…
🤖How my students are using it: oneusefulthing.substack.com/p/the-street-f…
https://twitter.com/emollick/status/1608814300805861377?s=46&t=5D3OrwpAXOPOwYLcHjcJzg
As an aside she is taught almost exclusively about "diverse" history and knows very little of British or European history. I find it very sad that children seem to know only small amounts of history on the island which they live.
And what utter bollocks it is.
I will send my children to schools that teach it properly or otherwise privately tutor them myself.
I am also familiar with the curriculums taught locally. My ex-girlfriend also attended a history lessons during her PCGE course at a Southampton comprehensive entitled "there ain't no black in the union jack".
I am done with denialism and whataboutery on this. IT IS A PROBLEM.
The question is what we do about it so we don't radicalise and indoctrinate future generations.
At the age of 15 my eldest was well schooled on every possible significant black figure in British history - I never want to hear the words Mary Seacole again - but she did not know much at all about the Battle of Hastings. She vaguely knew it was important. Didn’t really know who was fighting. Or who won
And she’s smart
Since then we have done multiple educational trips. Florence and Rome last summer2 -
We can't, but one term (and one book they can all be given to peruse at leisure) where they simply do the history of the world from the invention of writing to today would be both great fun and just very helpful in anchoring other concepts like deep time and world geography. With each chapter / lesson including some nuggets about how the events then are relevant to events now.Casino_Royale said:
Love all that - I am a passionate student of history.TimS said:
On the subject of dichotomy I do think there is a vast hinterland of history which is neither British domestic stuff (which I agree is important as it's important for shared cultural reference points, like the Bible and Shakespeare) nor empire, slavery or other "bad stuff we did elsewhere" but is "important things other people in other countries did where Britain isn't the centre of the action". That means European and Asian history in particular. To understand the world and geopolitics, as well as geography and beyond Napoleon and Hitler it really helps to understand:Casino_Royale said:
Interesting. And reassuring.Gardenwalker said:My kids’ school in New York appears to draw parents trying to escape the woke invasion of private schools here.
The place is blissfully normal, and nobody cares about critical race theory. Having said that, the nativity play did feature some kind of Kwanza interlude.
Just to be clear: I don't want to set up a false dichotomy here, although I bet I will be accused of it.
I am not arguing that women's rights, civil rights, slavery etc. should not be covered in history lessons - quite the opposite.
I am arguing that should not be the prism solely through which all history is taught, and it should always be put in the context of the times.
- The civilisations of ancient history (Mesopotamia, Egypt, Indus Valley, India, China, Greece, Rome)
- The religious empires of the middle ages: the holy Roman empire, the Islamic caliphate
- The European reformation and the wars of religion
- Continental empires: Mongols and their successors, Russia, Austria-Hungary, Ottoman, China
- The conquistadores and age of exploration
- The rise of the nation state
- Japan, Korea and the 20th century politics of the Far East
- The Cold war and Soviet Union
The best thing we can teach our kids is to have that same passion, since we'll never be able to teach them everything.
Something that would work well for say year 6 or 7 when kids are already aware of things like Russia-Ukraine or the Arab-Israeli conflict.0 -
If we simply charged your fat cat civil service pension the same rate of tax as a young graduate starting their career in the civil service, then that alone would fill a lot of the gap.beinndearg said:
Ah, OK, different point. "Gold plated" usually refers to contracted fatcat civil service pensions.BartholomewRoberts said:
I never proposed defaulting on debts.beinndearg said:
No it isn't. Governments pay their debts is the first rule of a first world, rule of law country.BartholomewRoberts said:
It is. The last time it ran a surplus was in 2002, hence austerity. So let's talk.beinndearg said:
The contracting party was the UK Government. When that goes bust we can talk.BartholomewRoberts said:
If the contracting party has the funds available to pay the contract, then they can pay it.beinndearg said:
I thought you were a fan of market forces? These gold plated pensions (and I cannot stress enough that I don't have one) were what the labour market dictated at the time you needed to pay these people to do the job they did. Your proposal to rewrite those contracts is pure communism: to each according to his needs, not what a contracting party agreed to pay him. Whereas where you are not personally disadvantaged we get caricature capitalism; the good people of Wick should pay the market price for having their parcels delivered even if that is £1000 a go.BartholomewRoberts said:
That could have been a cogent argument if it was made decades ago, but it wasn't.MaxPB said:
The first point is the most important and the problem that Bart is pointing out is that in this environment of ageing/obesity the NHS is still attempting to extend life expectancy. Maybe, just maybe, it's time to accept we live in a resource limited environment and stop extending life expectancy.Gardenwalker said:Health spending has not kept up with population growth + ageing/obesity + health inflation.
This is especially true with respect to capital investment, or in simplest terms, “beds”.
On top of those limitations, we can’t release people quickly enough from hospital into social care because (a) we don’t fund that properly either, and (b) we’ve lost a lot of staff from that sector.
Covid’s overhang continues to mean acute pressures; people are just sicker than they were before.
Apparently Rishi is fully focused on this (alongside his maths idea) so let’s see what he has to say.
We have a particular and long forewarned problem of one specific generation that seriously outnumber both those that came before it, and those that came after it. But what sacrifice is that generation making?
Future generations won't be retiring at 65 on gold plated pensions. The problem there has already been somewhat addressed but for those who have retired at 65 on a gold plated pension, what's the solution?
Any proposals to extend working is in the future, not for that generation. In the future the problem will have gone anyway, but our generation could be working into the seventies and beyond before retirement but without a demographic boom in that generation. How does extending that further address the problem of those who are already retired and have 3 to 4 or more decades of retirement?
If it doesn't, then it shouldn't be subsidised or paid for by taxpayers. If you are in a contract and the other party goes bust, then you lose whatever you contracted.
The good people of Wick I'm sure would rather go collect their own parcels than pay 1000 a go so the market would find equilibrium without interference.
Any funds that were put to one side should be used. Anything else, is just politics.
I don't think what you propose is possible anyway. The government's obligation to pay these pensions is no different from its obligation to pay coupons and redemptions on gilts. I would think our debt would be rerated as junk if it tried to default.
But triple locking pensions isn't a debt that is owed.
Taxing pensioners by less than we tax working people isn't a debt that is owed.
If you want to start things off, you could equalise taxes by abolishing national insurance and the graduate tax so that a young graduate starting to work or a retired gold plated pensioner or anyone in between is on the same tax rate.
Without defaulting on anything.
A cut off for NHS services of any kind to the over 70s would resolve so many problems all at once.
But that won't win votes.0 -
CROSSOVER !
"For the first time, more money was raised in the debt markets for climate-friendly projects than for fossil-fuel companies“. Reported today by #BloombergGreen @business.
https://twitter.com/GunterErfurt/status/16106127113179709461 -
Switched over to Countdown after the first few minutesPro_Rata said:Anyone watching Sunak?
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That's an excellent question to ask - the answer involves so many inter connected bits of our society and history.BartholomewRoberts said:
It does seem like the situation varies. It's certainly not something we have come against, the only place I've heard about woke etc is on this site.Casino_Royale said:
Interesting. And reassuring.Gardenwalker said:My kids’ school in New York appears to draw parents trying to escape the woke invasion of private schools here.
The place is blissfully normal, and nobody cares about critical race theory. Having said that, the nativity play did feature some kind of Kwanza interlude.
Just to be clear: I don't want to set up a false dichotomy here, although I bet I will be accused of it.
I am not arguing that women's rights, civil rights, slavery etc. should not be covered in history lessons - quite the opposite.
I am arguing that should not be the prism solely through which all history is taught, and it should always be put in the context of the times.
My daughters great historical question that was puzzling her which she asked over the Christmas holidays was: Since the Plague was spread by rats, and rats still exist today, how come people today don't get the Plague?
Racial matters too where it comes up I think her school has handled very well for her age group. The school does Nativities and learns about Christian beliefs etc, but also she has learnt more about Eid, Diwali and other faiths etc than we were ever taught at school. That to me seems to be a very good thing and more education there doesn't take anything away from anyone.1 -
There's a different between maths and arithmetic. Even if you only need to follow along with what ChatGPT is telling you, you need to understand mathematical concepts.Leon said:
I’ve already said on this thread that education is good in and of itself. My argument is that it will become a pleasing skill rather than a necessary qualification for employmentTOPPING said:
Of all people to decry such an education.Leon said:
Yes, it’s a definite problem and it’s a problem in London as much as anywhereCasino_Royale said:
I went to state sixth form college, my sister went to stste schools throughout her childhood and my nephews both went there.Nigelb said:
How much practical experience of the current state system do you have ?Casino_Royale said:
Yup, such nonsense very neatly describes the utter idiocy of the marxist Left on history.beinndearg said:
I would have thought that intercontinental interactions are what shape and explain our world. Narrow focus UK and Europe history boil down to a bunch of repetitive parochial spats between posh rich whiteys using the poor as pawns. Looked at from far enough out.AlistairM said:
A few weeks ago my 13yo daughter was struggling on the conclusion for her history homework. It was about the civil rights movement in the US. She'd done some Googling but hadn't made much progress. I decided to fire up Chat GPT and decided to ask it the question that she'd been asked to answer and prompted for an A4 page response (the length she was expected to give). The response it gave was very plausible. We kept all the work that she'd used up to then but used its conclusion to help her write her own final paragraph. I suspect we could have copied and pasted the entire response and the teacher would never have known.Leon said:Am I the only sane person on here? AI is clearly going to revolutionise education. But it won’t all be bad. Teaching will be easier:
“Still think ChatGPT is bad for education?
I just gave it a mark scheme and a sample student answer from an AQA GCSE English Language paper.
Look what happened 👇
*Spoiler: It marked it accurately in seconds*
#education #edutwitter #edtech #AI”
https://twitter.com/danfitztweets/status/1609675061211930625?s=46&t=5D3OrwpAXOPOwYLcHjcJzg
And kids all over the world can get one-to-one tuition
“The one thing we know works for education is 1-1 tutoring vs one-to-many classroom
1-1 tutoring with humans for everyone is economically infeasible
But the promise of AI and ChatGPT systems will be 1-1 tutoring for everyone in the world”
https://twitter.com/alexandr_wang/status/1608996309897465856?s=46&t=5D3OrwpAXOPOwYLcHjcJzg
But be in no doubt, the Revolution is here
“Forget year in review: lets talk about how technology transformed education in the last MONTH thanks to ChatGPT
💥How to use it to educate: oneusefulthing.substack.com/p/how-to-use-a…
👨🏫Automating my job as a professor: oneusefulthing.substack.com/p/the-mechanic…
🤖How my students are using it: oneusefulthing.substack.com/p/the-street-f…
https://twitter.com/emollick/status/1608814300805861377?s=46&t=5D3OrwpAXOPOwYLcHjcJzg
As an aside she is taught almost exclusively about "diverse" history and knows very little of British or European history. I find it very sad that children seem to know only small amounts of history on the island which they live.
And what utter bollocks it is.
I will send my children to schools that teach it properly or otherwise privately tutor them myself.
I am also familiar with the curriculums taught locally. My ex-girlfriend also attended a history lessons during her PCGE course at a Southampton comprehensive entitled "there ain't no black in the union jack".
I am done with denialism and whataboutery on this. IT IS A PROBLEM.
The question is what we do about it so we don't radicalise and indoctrinate future generations.
At the age of 15 my eldest was well schooled on every possible significant black figure in British history - I never want to hear the words Mary Seacole again - but she did not know much at all about the Battle of Hastings. She vaguely knew it was important. Didn’t really know who was fighting. Or who won
And she’s smart
You can't on the one hand say out with maths, the arts, you name it because it has no relevance to life today; and on the other hand bemoan the lack of teaching of the Battle of Hastings in favour of teaching about a figure who influences so very many aspects of life today, both for you and your eldest.
Learning maths will be like learning the clarinet to grade 5. It’s nice that you can do it but will it help you get a job? No not so much
In that scenario it will be awfully hard to motivate a lot of students
People still don't seem to grasp that even if AI does away with 90% of current employment tasks, the 10% that is left plus a bunch of new tasks required to orchestrate the AI, will rapidly become 100% of people's jobs. A good education system would entail figuring out what those things are and teaching that stuff. And I don't believe only 10% of the population is able to learn how to integrate different AIs, and align it with business needs, and to define the scope of work it needs to do etc.1 -
Someone should make a no expenses spared series about the Godwinsons - the patriarch and the sons. Sweyn The Swine......Leon said:
No, I took her to Waltham Abbey and showed her the likely grave of King Harold Godwinson and Edith Swan NeckNigelb said:
You neglected her education, then ?Leon said:
Yes, it’s a definite problem and it’s a problem in London as much as anywhereCasino_Royale said:
I went to state sixth form college, my sister went to stste schools throughout her childhood and my nephews both went there.Nigelb said:
How much practical experience of the current state system do you have ?Casino_Royale said:
Yup, such nonsense very neatly describes the utter idiocy of the marxist Left on history.beinndearg said:
I would have thought that intercontinental interactions are what shape and explain our world. Narrow focus UK and Europe history boil down to a bunch of repetitive parochial spats between posh rich whiteys using the poor as pawns. Looked at from far enough out.AlistairM said:
A few weeks ago my 13yo daughter was struggling on the conclusion for her history homework. It was about the civil rights movement in the US. She'd done some Googling but hadn't made much progress. I decided to fire up Chat GPT and decided to ask it the question that she'd been asked to answer and prompted for an A4 page response (the length she was expected to give). The response it gave was very plausible. We kept all the work that she'd used up to then but used its conclusion to help her write her own final paragraph. I suspect we could have copied and pasted the entire response and the teacher would never have known.Leon said:Am I the only sane person on here? AI is clearly going to revolutionise education. But it won’t all be bad. Teaching will be easier:
“Still think ChatGPT is bad for education?
I just gave it a mark scheme and a sample student answer from an AQA GCSE English Language paper.
Look what happened 👇
*Spoiler: It marked it accurately in seconds*
#education #edutwitter #edtech #AI”
https://twitter.com/danfitztweets/status/1609675061211930625?s=46&t=5D3OrwpAXOPOwYLcHjcJzg
And kids all over the world can get one-to-one tuition
“The one thing we know works for education is 1-1 tutoring vs one-to-many classroom
1-1 tutoring with humans for everyone is economically infeasible
But the promise of AI and ChatGPT systems will be 1-1 tutoring for everyone in the world”
https://twitter.com/alexandr_wang/status/1608996309897465856?s=46&t=5D3OrwpAXOPOwYLcHjcJzg
But be in no doubt, the Revolution is here
“Forget year in review: lets talk about how technology transformed education in the last MONTH thanks to ChatGPT
💥How to use it to educate: oneusefulthing.substack.com/p/how-to-use-a…
👨🏫Automating my job as a professor: oneusefulthing.substack.com/p/the-mechanic…
🤖How my students are using it: oneusefulthing.substack.com/p/the-street-f…
https://twitter.com/emollick/status/1608814300805861377?s=46&t=5D3OrwpAXOPOwYLcHjcJzg
As an aside she is taught almost exclusively about "diverse" history and knows very little of British or European history. I find it very sad that children seem to know only small amounts of history on the island which they live.
And what utter bollocks it is.
I will send my children to schools that teach it properly or otherwise privately tutor them myself.
I am also familiar with the curriculums taught locally. My ex-girlfriend also attended a history lessons during her PCGE course at a Southampton comprehensive entitled "there ain't no black in the union jack".
I am done with denialism and whataboutery on this. IT IS A PROBLEM.
The question is what we do about it so we don't radicalise and indoctrinate future generations.
At the age of 15 my eldest was well schooled on every possible significant black figure in British history - I never want to hear the words Mary Seacole again - but she did not know much at all about the Battle of Hastings. She vaguely knew it was important. Didn’t really know who was fighting. Or who won
And she’s smart
Since then we have done multiple educational trips. Florence and Rome last summer0 -
For Christmas I got my daughter the Usborne book of Politics and am waiting for the end of her current murder mystery book before making this the next bedtime "story". I've had rave reviews about it from a friend. Might learn something myself.Leon said:
No, I took her to Waltham Abbey and showed her the likely grave of King Harold Godwinson and Edith Swan NeckNigelb said:
You neglected her education, then ?Leon said:
Yes, it’s a definite problem and it’s a problem in London as much as anywhereCasino_Royale said:
I went to state sixth form college, my sister went to stste schools throughout her childhood and my nephews both went there.Nigelb said:
How much practical experience of the current state system do you have ?Casino_Royale said:
Yup, such nonsense very neatly describes the utter idiocy of the marxist Left on history.beinndearg said:
I would have thought that intercontinental interactions are what shape and explain our world. Narrow focus UK and Europe history boil down to a bunch of repetitive parochial spats between posh rich whiteys using the poor as pawns. Looked at from far enough out.AlistairM said:
A few weeks ago my 13yo daughter was struggling on the conclusion for her history homework. It was about the civil rights movement in the US. She'd done some Googling but hadn't made much progress. I decided to fire up Chat GPT and decided to ask it the question that she'd been asked to answer and prompted for an A4 page response (the length she was expected to give). The response it gave was very plausible. We kept all the work that she'd used up to then but used its conclusion to help her write her own final paragraph. I suspect we could have copied and pasted the entire response and the teacher would never have known.Leon said:Am I the only sane person on here? AI is clearly going to revolutionise education. But it won’t all be bad. Teaching will be easier:
“Still think ChatGPT is bad for education?
I just gave it a mark scheme and a sample student answer from an AQA GCSE English Language paper.
Look what happened 👇
*Spoiler: It marked it accurately in seconds*
#education #edutwitter #edtech #AI”
https://twitter.com/danfitztweets/status/1609675061211930625?s=46&t=5D3OrwpAXOPOwYLcHjcJzg
And kids all over the world can get one-to-one tuition
“The one thing we know works for education is 1-1 tutoring vs one-to-many classroom
1-1 tutoring with humans for everyone is economically infeasible
But the promise of AI and ChatGPT systems will be 1-1 tutoring for everyone in the world”
https://twitter.com/alexandr_wang/status/1608996309897465856?s=46&t=5D3OrwpAXOPOwYLcHjcJzg
But be in no doubt, the Revolution is here
“Forget year in review: lets talk about how technology transformed education in the last MONTH thanks to ChatGPT
💥How to use it to educate: oneusefulthing.substack.com/p/how-to-use-a…
👨🏫Automating my job as a professor: oneusefulthing.substack.com/p/the-mechanic…
🤖How my students are using it: oneusefulthing.substack.com/p/the-street-f…
https://twitter.com/emollick/status/1608814300805861377?s=46&t=5D3OrwpAXOPOwYLcHjcJzg
As an aside she is taught almost exclusively about "diverse" history and knows very little of British or European history. I find it very sad that children seem to know only small amounts of history on the island which they live.
And what utter bollocks it is.
I will send my children to schools that teach it properly or otherwise privately tutor them myself.
I am also familiar with the curriculums taught locally. My ex-girlfriend also attended a history lessons during her PCGE course at a Southampton comprehensive entitled "there ain't no black in the union jack".
I am done with denialism and whataboutery on this. IT IS A PROBLEM.
The question is what we do about it so we don't radicalise and indoctrinate future generations.
At the age of 15 my eldest was well schooled on every possible significant black figure in British history - I never want to hear the words Mary Seacole again - but she did not know much at all about the Battle of Hastings. She vaguely knew it was important. Didn’t really know who was fighting. Or who won
And she’s smart
Since then we have done multiple educational trips. Florence and Rome last summer
The other thing I've enjoyed doing is Atlas time: one country each evening before bedtime, open up the big Times Atlas and talk about it, from the landscape and physical geography to the people and its history. Not sure it always all sinks in, but sometimes it makes for great storytelling. Israel was a great one, as was the USA and India (the latter mainly for the plate tectonics and Tethys sea stuff).1 -
Crack, Heroin and Nitrous Oxide now.Sunil_Prasannan said:0 -
You think 8 billion humans will in future work on “integrating different AIs and aligning them with business needs”?WillG said:
There's a different between maths and arithmetic. Even if you only need to follow along with what ChatGPT is telling you, you need to understand mathematical concepts.Leon said:
I’ve already said on this thread that education is good in and of itself. My argument is that it will become a pleasing skill rather than a necessary qualification for employmentTOPPING said:
Of all people to decry such an education.Leon said:
Yes, it’s a definite problem and it’s a problem in London as much as anywhereCasino_Royale said:
I went to state sixth form college, my sister went to stste schools throughout her childhood and my nephews both went there.Nigelb said:
How much practical experience of the current state system do you have ?Casino_Royale said:
Yup, such nonsense very neatly describes the utter idiocy of the marxist Left on history.beinndearg said:
I would have thought that intercontinental interactions are what shape and explain our world. Narrow focus UK and Europe history boil down to a bunch of repetitive parochial spats between posh rich whiteys using the poor as pawns. Looked at from far enough out.AlistairM said:
A few weeks ago my 13yo daughter was struggling on the conclusion for her history homework. It was about the civil rights movement in the US. She'd done some Googling but hadn't made much progress. I decided to fire up Chat GPT and decided to ask it the question that she'd been asked to answer and prompted for an A4 page response (the length she was expected to give). The response it gave was very plausible. We kept all the work that she'd used up to then but used its conclusion to help her write her own final paragraph. I suspect we could have copied and pasted the entire response and the teacher would never have known.Leon said:Am I the only sane person on here? AI is clearly going to revolutionise education. But it won’t all be bad. Teaching will be easier:
“Still think ChatGPT is bad for education?
I just gave it a mark scheme and a sample student answer from an AQA GCSE English Language paper.
Look what happened 👇
*Spoiler: It marked it accurately in seconds*
#education #edutwitter #edtech #AI”
https://twitter.com/danfitztweets/status/1609675061211930625?s=46&t=5D3OrwpAXOPOwYLcHjcJzg
And kids all over the world can get one-to-one tuition
“The one thing we know works for education is 1-1 tutoring vs one-to-many classroom
1-1 tutoring with humans for everyone is economically infeasible
But the promise of AI and ChatGPT systems will be 1-1 tutoring for everyone in the world”
https://twitter.com/alexandr_wang/status/1608996309897465856?s=46&t=5D3OrwpAXOPOwYLcHjcJzg
But be in no doubt, the Revolution is here
“Forget year in review: lets talk about how technology transformed education in the last MONTH thanks to ChatGPT
💥How to use it to educate: oneusefulthing.substack.com/p/how-to-use-a…
👨🏫Automating my job as a professor: oneusefulthing.substack.com/p/the-mechanic…
🤖How my students are using it: oneusefulthing.substack.com/p/the-street-f…
https://twitter.com/emollick/status/1608814300805861377?s=46&t=5D3OrwpAXOPOwYLcHjcJzg
As an aside she is taught almost exclusively about "diverse" history and knows very little of British or European history. I find it very sad that children seem to know only small amounts of history on the island which they live.
And what utter bollocks it is.
I will send my children to schools that teach it properly or otherwise privately tutor them myself.
I am also familiar with the curriculums taught locally. My ex-girlfriend also attended a history lessons during her PCGE course at a Southampton comprehensive entitled "there ain't no black in the union jack".
I am done with denialism and whataboutery on this. IT IS A PROBLEM.
The question is what we do about it so we don't radicalise and indoctrinate future generations.
At the age of 15 my eldest was well schooled on every possible significant black figure in British history - I never want to hear the words Mary Seacole again - but she did not know much at all about the Battle of Hastings. She vaguely knew it was important. Didn’t really know who was fighting. Or who won
And she’s smart
You can't on the one hand say out with maths, the arts, you name it because it has no relevance to life today; and on the other hand bemoan the lack of teaching of the Battle of Hastings in favour of teaching about a figure who influences so very many aspects of life today, both for you and your eldest.
Learning maths will be like learning the clarinet to grade 5. It’s nice that you can do it but will it help you get a job? No not so much
In that scenario it will be awfully hard to motivate a lot of students
People still don't seem to grasp that even if AI does away with 90% of current employment tasks, the 10% that is left plus a bunch of new tasks required to orchestrate the AI, will rapidly become 100% of people's jobs. A good education system would entail figuring out what those things are and teaching that stuff. And I don't believe only 10% of the population is able to learn how to integrate different AIs, and align it with business needs, and to define the scope of work it needs to do etc.1 -
Betting on a world where we don't need education and skills strikes me as having a really big downside if our model of the future is wrong.2
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That's an impressive missing of the point.TOPPING said:
Depends on the course, obvs, but why on earth, on the planet where x% of people are from any one particular demographic do you worry about a course on "artists" focusing on a variety of artists from different backgrounds.AlistairM said:
Also seems to be the case with other subjects. When studying artists in Y9 it has been entirely focused on diverse (i.e. non-white) artists. I'm all for covering a wide variety of different areas but I think there is a real danger of the syllabus being so desperate to be politically correct that it ends up being exclusionary. That is not progress.Casino_Royale said:
That isn't, but there's an increasing focus in some educational institutions to teach history almost solely through the prism of identity politics, as the post of @AlistairM demonstrates. I also encountered it myself at my daughter's previous school, so I withdrew her.BartholomewRoberts said:
My kids learn English history too. Last term included the Great Fire of London and the Plague.OnlyLivingBoy said:
It's just not my experience, that's all. Our kids learn about the Tudors and 20th century European history, mainly. The school has started to teach about West African kingdoms, too, which I think is a good thing, a teacher at the school helped to develop the curriculum so it is very well taught and sounds extremely interesting. My son was really engaged by it.Casino_Royale said:
And, we keep being told that such Woke agendas in education don't exist and that such agendas are totally fabricated; a fantasy in the minds of "reactionaries".AlistairM said:
A few weeks ago my 13yo daughter was struggling on the conclusion for her history homework. It was about the civil rights movement in the US. She'd done some Googling but hadn't made much progress. I decided to fire up Chat GPT and decided to ask it the question that she'd been asked to answer and prompted for an A4 page response (the length she was expected to give). The response it gave was very plausible. We kept all the work that she'd used up to then but used its conclusion to help her write her own final paragraph. I suspect we could have copied and pasted the entire response and the teacher would never have known.Leon said:Am I the only sane person on here? AI is clearly going to revolutionise education. But it won’t all be bad. Teaching will be easier:
“Still think ChatGPT is bad for education?
I just gave it a mark scheme and a sample student answer from an AQA GCSE English Language paper.
Look what happened 👇
*Spoiler: It marked it accurately in seconds*
#education #edutwitter #edtech #AI”
https://twitter.com/danfitztweets/status/1609675061211930625?s=46&t=5D3OrwpAXOPOwYLcHjcJzg
And kids all over the world can get one-to-one tuition
“The one thing we know works for education is 1-1 tutoring vs one-to-many classroom
1-1 tutoring with humans for everyone is economically infeasible
But the promise of AI and ChatGPT systems will be 1-1 tutoring for everyone in the world”
https://twitter.com/alexandr_wang/status/1608996309897465856?s=46&t=5D3OrwpAXOPOwYLcHjcJzg
But be in no doubt, the Revolution is here
“Forget year in review: lets talk about how technology transformed education in the last MONTH thanks to ChatGPT
💥How to use it to educate: oneusefulthing.substack.com/p/how-to-use-a…
👨🏫Automating my job as a professor: oneusefulthing.substack.com/p/the-mechanic…
🤖How my students are using it: oneusefulthing.substack.com/p/the-street-f…
https://twitter.com/emollick/status/1608814300805861377?s=46&t=5D3OrwpAXOPOwYLcHjcJzg
As an aside she is taught almost exclusively about "diverse" history and knows very little of British or European history. I find it very sad that children seem to know only small amounts of history on the island which they live.
It's almost as if they don't want us to challenge it.
Not sure what is woke or rewriting history there?
We shouldn't deny this is a problem.
Or was the course labelled "white artists in 20th Century Britain"?0 -
As an aside, PVC-free clingfilm is a wretched and inferior product. I'm unsure if it's due to cost-cutting or environmentalism but whoever came up with the vile stuff should be stuffed into a giant cannon and launched into the heart of the sun.0
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The two Henry IV plays are Shakespeare's finest achievements, IMO.TheScreamingEagles said:One of the things my school was great at was intergrating topics across subjects.
In history we covered the Shakespeare plays we were learning in English literature.
Long live the Henriad.0 -
5 pledges - finePro_Rata said:
Crack, Heroin and Nitrous Oxide now.Sunil_Prasannan said:
Some innovation waffle
Rightmove style gallop through good public services.
Education now - lifelong learning, numeracy.0 -
I can see their argument, but chances are the guy wouldn't have placed the bet if he'd only been offered 66-1, and the question I would have is how many other similar bets did they take (Portugal to win, Ronaldo to be top scorer, Portugal v England final) at similar compound odds, but now not offering to void the bets when they're not willing to stand by the odds offered at the time?TheScreamingEagles said:What do we make of Coral using the related contingencies defence here ?
Staffordshire gambler denied £15,000 winnings on World Cup bets by huge betting company Coral.
https://www.itv.com/news/central/2023-01-03/gambler-denied-15000-world-cup-winnings-after-behind-the-counter-mistake
Sometimes they will make mistakes and misprice bets. They shouldn't be able to wiggle away from them only when they lose.3 -
To be fair to Sunak, his speech is a bit more substantial than “maths”
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/live/2023/jan/04/rishi-sunak-teach-maths-up-to-18-strikes-nhs-uk-politics-live
“Rishi Sunak says he will halve inflation, grow economy and cut NHS waiting lists – UK politics live
Prime minister makes wide-ranging speech on education, the economy, the NHS and small boats”
I fear that no one is listening, however1 -
Certainly the combination of "Argentina win the World Cup" and "Argentina-France final" shouldn't have been allowed at full price. I think the logical thing is to work out what "Argentina beat France in the final" would be and then calculate that as a double with "Messi Golden Ball". I don't buy the part of their defence that "Argentina win" can't be combined with "Messi Golden Ball".TheScreamingEagles said:What do we make of Coral using the related contingencies defence here ?
Staffordshire gambler denied £15,000 winnings on World Cup bets by huge betting company Coral.
https://www.itv.com/news/central/2023-01-03/gambler-denied-15000-world-cup-winnings-after-behind-the-counter-mistake2 -
Yes we are all watching it in this Yorkshire Farmhouse.Pro_Rata said:Anyone watching Sunak?
It’s just weird. What is it with this unconvincing earnest delivery? He doesn’t sound remotely like a Primeminister or party leader.1 -
Unfortunately the Gambling Commission are so useless that bookies can do what they likeDriver said:
Certainly the combination of "Argentina win the World Cup" and "Argentina-France final" shouldn't have been allowed at full price. I think the logical thing is to work out what "Argentina beat France in the final" would be and then calculate that as a double with "Messi Golden Ball". I don't buy the part of their defence that "Argentina win" can't be combined with "Messi Golden Ball".TheScreamingEagles said:What do we make of Coral using the related contingencies defence here ?
Staffordshire gambler denied £15,000 winnings on World Cup bets by huge betting company Coral.
https://www.itv.com/news/central/2023-01-03/gambler-denied-15000-world-cup-winnings-after-behind-the-counter-mistake0 -
There were also places like India where mechanisation ended the old jobs but didn't create new jobs any time soon. You could say that Southern Europe has seen old jobs in low-skilled manufacturing go away in the last three decades without being replaced.Malmesbury said:
More accurately - it ended some jobs, like weaving at home.TheKitchenCabinet said:
To a degree and it depends on the timescale.BartholomewRoberts said:
Then why do we have full employment? 🤦♂️HYUFD said:
What new jobs are going to be created then the average IQ person, not especially creative can do which AI can't do? Let alone for those of below average IQ?BartholomewRoberts said:
That's Luddite bullshit.HYUFD said:
In which case all but the top 1% most creative and innovative and skilled will be out of work in most fields.Leon said:
Mate, I wish that were true. I fear it is notHYUFD said:
If AI makes most STEM, finance, accountancy, law jobs redundant that will change.Leon said:
I don’t disagree at all. The problem is going to be persuading the kids to learn when it becomes evermore pointless and doesn’t help them get work, as all knowledge work is automatedTOPPING said:
For 85% of people reading A Portrait of the Artist is pointless but it's still worth equipping as many people as possible with the tools to do so in a civilised society.Leon said:A reminder: Only 15% of the population have an IQ level of 115 or above. An IQ above 115 is considered to be a 'High IQ'
For 85% of people advanced maths is simply pointless. They can’t do it and, besides, they have a tiny brilliant machine that can solve all practical daily maths questions, anyway
Soon they will have a new machine which they won’t even require numbers. You’ll just ask it the query “what is a third of a third”
Kids are already fleeing the Humanities for this exact reason: these degrees don’t lead to jobs
https://www.latimes.com/opinion/story/2022-10-24/college-humanities-decline
The few jobs left will be the most creative ones machines can't do, which humanities teach
GPT3.5 is already churning out pretty good creative writing - poetry, stories. SDiffusion and DALL-E2 are producing some notable art (which is being used commercially already)
In 2 or 3 iterations (3-5 years?) they will be as good at the best creative stuff as almost any human. In ten years unimaginably better than any human
Tiny arguments on Reddit will rage as to whether these machines are “truly” creative. It won’t matter, because the machines will simply be better, and we will avidly consume their creations
We then return to the inevitability of a universal basic income funded by a robot tax the more AI is used across sectors, whether creative arts, manufacturing, professional finance, accountancy and law or basic menial tasks
As jobs are eliminated, new ones are created. People have ingenuity. We do different jobs than the past, but the idea of a jobless age has always been and always will be Dystopian SciFi bullshit.
There may still be permanent jobs for very high IQ, highly creative people but they are only a small minority
There's 300 years of history showing Luddidm is wrong. You're only limited by your own weak imagination.
People will use their ingenuity to create jobs and opportunities. Just as we always have done.
The Luddites were right - from their own perspective. The Industrial Revolution did lead to a collapse in artisan wages, especially as employers designed factories based around child labour which was cheaper than skilled artisans.
Wages did - eventually - improve and new jobs were created but it took several decades for the effect to come through (eg factories required administration which required clerks etc).
When technological changes come and make people unemployed, there is not an automatic bank of jobs out there. Sure, people can set themselves up (I did) but the idea that people can switch seamlessly into jobs is a fallacy - there are switching costs for a reason.
There were more and often better paid jobs, but this meant changing trades.
Which was Simply Not How Things Work, back then.0 -
You're right - I should have said "you had neglected her education".Leon said:
No, I took her to Waltham Abbey and showed her the likely grave of King Harold Godwinson and Edith Swan NeckNigelb said:
You neglected her education, then ?Leon said:
Yes, it’s a definite problem and it’s a problem in London as much as anywhereCasino_Royale said:
I went to state sixth form college, my sister went to stste schools throughout her childhood and my nephews both went there.Nigelb said:
How much practical experience of the current state system do you have ?Casino_Royale said:
Yup, such nonsense very neatly describes the utter idiocy of the marxist Left on history.beinndearg said:
I would have thought that intercontinental interactions are what shape and explain our world. Narrow focus UK and Europe history boil down to a bunch of repetitive parochial spats between posh rich whiteys using the poor as pawns. Looked at from far enough out.AlistairM said:
A few weeks ago my 13yo daughter was struggling on the conclusion for her history homework. It was about the civil rights movement in the US. She'd done some Googling but hadn't made much progress. I decided to fire up Chat GPT and decided to ask it the question that she'd been asked to answer and prompted for an A4 page response (the length she was expected to give). The response it gave was very plausible. We kept all the work that she'd used up to then but used its conclusion to help her write her own final paragraph. I suspect we could have copied and pasted the entire response and the teacher would never have known.Leon said:Am I the only sane person on here? AI is clearly going to revolutionise education. But it won’t all be bad. Teaching will be easier:
“Still think ChatGPT is bad for education?
I just gave it a mark scheme and a sample student answer from an AQA GCSE English Language paper.
Look what happened 👇
*Spoiler: It marked it accurately in seconds*
#education #edutwitter #edtech #AI”
https://twitter.com/danfitztweets/status/1609675061211930625?s=46&t=5D3OrwpAXOPOwYLcHjcJzg
And kids all over the world can get one-to-one tuition
“The one thing we know works for education is 1-1 tutoring vs one-to-many classroom
1-1 tutoring with humans for everyone is economically infeasible
But the promise of AI and ChatGPT systems will be 1-1 tutoring for everyone in the world”
https://twitter.com/alexandr_wang/status/1608996309897465856?s=46&t=5D3OrwpAXOPOwYLcHjcJzg
But be in no doubt, the Revolution is here
“Forget year in review: lets talk about how technology transformed education in the last MONTH thanks to ChatGPT
💥How to use it to educate: oneusefulthing.substack.com/p/how-to-use-a…
👨🏫Automating my job as a professor: oneusefulthing.substack.com/p/the-mechanic…
🤖How my students are using it: oneusefulthing.substack.com/p/the-street-f…
https://twitter.com/emollick/status/1608814300805861377?s=46&t=5D3OrwpAXOPOwYLcHjcJzg
As an aside she is taught almost exclusively about "diverse" history and knows very little of British or European history. I find it very sad that children seem to know only small amounts of history on the island which they live.
And what utter bollocks it is.
I will send my children to schools that teach it properly or otherwise privately tutor them myself.
I am also familiar with the curriculums taught locally. My ex-girlfriend also attended a history lessons during her PCGE course at a Southampton comprehensive entitled "there ain't no black in the union jack".
I am done with denialism and whataboutery on this. IT IS A PROBLEM.
The question is what we do about it so we don't radicalise and indoctrinate future generations.
At the age of 15 my eldest was well schooled on every possible significant black figure in British history - I never want to hear the words Mary Seacole again - but she did not know much at all about the Battle of Hastings. She vaguely knew it was important. Didn’t really know who was fighting. Or who won
And she’s smart
Since then we have done multiple educational trips. Florence and Rome last summer
Well done for remedying the situation.0 -
You need all that to get through it ?Pro_Rata said:
Crack, Heroin and Nitrous Oxide now.Sunil_Prasannan said:2 -
Indeed, I spent much of lockdown reading them.Nigelb said:
His diaries are bloody brilliant, though.OnlyLivingBoy said:
Samuel Pepys and his bloody cheese!TimS said:
Not the same secondary school, but my son has friends there.OnlyLivingBoy said:
Aren't we almost neighbours and might therefore be talking about the same secondary school (located in SE14)?TimS said:
Same at our local school. The bloody Tudors, the Victorian era, WW1 and 2, then at secondary school it's 1066, and yet more world war stuff. They learn about slavery and African kingdoms and a tiny bit about the empire.OnlyLivingBoy said:
It's just not my experience, that's all. Our kids learn about the Tudors and 20th century European history, mainly. The school has started to teach about West African kingdoms, too, which I think is a good thing, a teacher at the school helped to develop the curriculum so it is very well taught and sounds extremely interesting. My son was really engaged by it.Casino_Royale said:
And, we keep being told that such Woke agendas in education don't exist and that such agendas are totally fabricated; a fantasy in the minds of "reactionaries".AlistairM said:
A few weeks ago my 13yo daughter was struggling on the conclusion for her history homework. It was about the civil rights movement in the US. She'd done some Googling but hadn't made much progress. I decided to fire up Chat GPT and decided to ask it the question that she'd been asked to answer and prompted for an A4 page response (the length she was expected to give). The response it gave was very plausible. We kept all the work that she'd used up to then but used its conclusion to help her write her own final paragraph. I suspect we could have copied and pasted the entire response and the teacher would never have known.Leon said:Am I the only sane person on here? AI is clearly going to revolutionise education. But it won’t all be bad. Teaching will be easier:
“Still think ChatGPT is bad for education?
I just gave it a mark scheme and a sample student answer from an AQA GCSE English Language paper.
Look what happened 👇
*Spoiler: It marked it accurately in seconds*
#education #edutwitter #edtech #AI”
https://twitter.com/danfitztweets/status/1609675061211930625?s=46&t=5D3OrwpAXOPOwYLcHjcJzg
And kids all over the world can get one-to-one tuition
“The one thing we know works for education is 1-1 tutoring vs one-to-many classroom
1-1 tutoring with humans for everyone is economically infeasible
But the promise of AI and ChatGPT systems will be 1-1 tutoring for everyone in the world”
https://twitter.com/alexandr_wang/status/1608996309897465856?s=46&t=5D3OrwpAXOPOwYLcHjcJzg
But be in no doubt, the Revolution is here
“Forget year in review: lets talk about how technology transformed education in the last MONTH thanks to ChatGPT
💥How to use it to educate: oneusefulthing.substack.com/p/how-to-use-a…
👨🏫Automating my job as a professor: oneusefulthing.substack.com/p/the-mechanic…
🤖How my students are using it: oneusefulthing.substack.com/p/the-street-f…
https://twitter.com/emollick/status/1608814300805861377?s=46&t=5D3OrwpAXOPOwYLcHjcJzg
As an aside she is taught almost exclusively about "diverse" history and knows very little of British or European history. I find it very sad that children seem to know only small amounts of history on the island which they live.
It's almost as if they don't want us to challenge it.
What you get none of - and we had almost none of in my time either - is wider European history. Has the typical year 11 student any concept of who Charlemagne was, or the 30 years war, or the Moorish conquests or Mongol invasions, do they know Germany and Italy used to be clusters of tiny kingdoms and principalities or that there used to be these two massive empires within Ryanair distance of us run by the Habsburgs and the Ottomans? No, they know about Henry the 8th, Hitler and the Nazis and William the Conqueror. If they're lucky they might heave heard a passing reference to the French and Russian revolutions and learned about the Battle of Trafalgar.
I forgot to mention the plague and the great fire of London. They definitely get lots of that.
In fact Epping gets a mention as Pepys stayed over there on the way back to London from Cambridge and Audley End0 -
No, because only two thirds of them are working age, half of the remainder are in a bunch of countries that are ineptly run, there is a bottom 25% that will really struggle, and among the mid-IQ and above there will be entrepreneurs and creative jobs too.Leon said:
You think 8 billion humans will in future work on “integrating different AIs and aligning them with business needs”?WillG said:
There's a different between maths and arithmetic. Even if you only need to follow along with what ChatGPT is telling you, you need to understand mathematical concepts.Leon said:
I’ve already said on this thread that education is good in and of itself. My argument is that it will become a pleasing skill rather than a necessary qualification for employmentTOPPING said:
Of all people to decry such an education.Leon said:
Yes, it’s a definite problem and it’s a problem in London as much as anywhereCasino_Royale said:
I went to state sixth form college, my sister went to stste schools throughout her childhood and my nephews both went there.Nigelb said:
How much practical experience of the current state system do you have ?Casino_Royale said:
Yup, such nonsense very neatly describes the utter idiocy of the marxist Left on history.beinndearg said:
I would have thought that intercontinental interactions are what shape and explain our world. Narrow focus UK and Europe history boil down to a bunch of repetitive parochial spats between posh rich whiteys using the poor as pawns. Looked at from far enough out.AlistairM said:
A few weeks ago my 13yo daughter was struggling on the conclusion for her history homework. It was about the civil rights movement in the US. She'd done some Googling but hadn't made much progress. I decided to fire up Chat GPT and decided to ask it the question that she'd been asked to answer and prompted for an A4 page response (the length she was expected to give). The response it gave was very plausible. We kept all the work that she'd used up to then but used its conclusion to help her write her own final paragraph. I suspect we could have copied and pasted the entire response and the teacher would never have known.Leon said:Am I the only sane person on here? AI is clearly going to revolutionise education. But it won’t all be bad. Teaching will be easier:
“Still think ChatGPT is bad for education?
I just gave it a mark scheme and a sample student answer from an AQA GCSE English Language paper.
Look what happened 👇
*Spoiler: It marked it accurately in seconds*
#education #edutwitter #edtech #AI”
https://twitter.com/danfitztweets/status/1609675061211930625?s=46&t=5D3OrwpAXOPOwYLcHjcJzg
And kids all over the world can get one-to-one tuition
“The one thing we know works for education is 1-1 tutoring vs one-to-many classroom
1-1 tutoring with humans for everyone is economically infeasible
But the promise of AI and ChatGPT systems will be 1-1 tutoring for everyone in the world”
https://twitter.com/alexandr_wang/status/1608996309897465856?s=46&t=5D3OrwpAXOPOwYLcHjcJzg
But be in no doubt, the Revolution is here
“Forget year in review: lets talk about how technology transformed education in the last MONTH thanks to ChatGPT
💥How to use it to educate: oneusefulthing.substack.com/p/how-to-use-a…
👨🏫Automating my job as a professor: oneusefulthing.substack.com/p/the-mechanic…
🤖How my students are using it: oneusefulthing.substack.com/p/the-street-f…
https://twitter.com/emollick/status/1608814300805861377?s=46&t=5D3OrwpAXOPOwYLcHjcJzg
As an aside she is taught almost exclusively about "diverse" history and knows very little of British or European history. I find it very sad that children seem to know only small amounts of history on the island which they live.
And what utter bollocks it is.
I will send my children to schools that teach it properly or otherwise privately tutor them myself.
I am also familiar with the curriculums taught locally. My ex-girlfriend also attended a history lessons during her PCGE course at a Southampton comprehensive entitled "there ain't no black in the union jack".
I am done with denialism and whataboutery on this. IT IS A PROBLEM.
The question is what we do about it so we don't radicalise and indoctrinate future generations.
At the age of 15 my eldest was well schooled on every possible significant black figure in British history - I never want to hear the words Mary Seacole again - but she did not know much at all about the Battle of Hastings. She vaguely knew it was important. Didn’t really know who was fighting. Or who won
And she’s smart
You can't on the one hand say out with maths, the arts, you name it because it has no relevance to life today; and on the other hand bemoan the lack of teaching of the Battle of Hastings in favour of teaching about a figure who influences so very many aspects of life today, both for you and your eldest.
Learning maths will be like learning the clarinet to grade 5. It’s nice that you can do it but will it help you get a job? No not so much
In that scenario it will be awfully hard to motivate a lot of students
People still don't seem to grasp that even if AI does away with 90% of current employment tasks, the 10% that is left plus a bunch of new tasks required to orchestrate the AI, will rapidly become 100% of people's jobs. A good education system would entail figuring out what those things are and teaching that stuff. And I don't believe only 10% of the population is able to learn how to integrate different AIs, and align it with business needs, and to define the scope of work it needs to do etc.
But yes I do think hundreds of millions can do. Even if automation and AI reaches the point where you only need 50 people to run a massive company, those 50 people are going to have tremendous productivity. That in turn will push up the compensation for those jobs, which means those people will have a lot more money to spend. Which means a lot more aggregate spending and demand to fill for the global economy, meaning many many more 50 person, mega-corporations.0
