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Some positive polling for Starmer from Ipsos – politicalbetting.com

SystemSystem Posts: 11,002
edited December 2022 in General
imageSome positive polling for Starmer from Ipsos – politicalbetting.com

I just love the way that the pollster Ipsos manages to dig up historical comparisons and gives us a framework for judging how the parties and individual politicians are doing at the moment. Ipsos, of course, has been polling since the 1970s and has a huge archive of historical polls.

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  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 31,281
    First, like England in Group B
  • Second like Iran
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 53,771
    SKS fans please explain
  • pigeonpigeon Posts: 4,088
    kinabalu said:

    pigeon said:

    Curse of ITV strikes again.

    You lot have all missed The One Show (featuring a chat with Cliff Richard!!!), followed by a repeat of a documentary about showmen travellers in East Anglia, AND an old episode of Celebrity Antiques Road Trip on BBC2, by the way. I am yet to recover from the excitement.
    Does he have a Christmas single for us this year?
    Probably, but dunno. One confesses that one has actually been shopping, rather than paying any real attention to the telly.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,274
    edited November 2022
    Third....rate...like in England tonight.
  • All the people in the pub confident of our progression...
  • Put it this way, Cyclefree and myself would have a field day with this.


    HSBC froze bank accounts linked to Tory peer Baroness Michelle Mone and her husband Douglas Barrowman during an investigation that examined possible corruption in securing government contracts.

    An internal HSBC report, seen by the Financial Times, traces money transferred by PPE Medpro, which received £202mn of government orders for personal protective equipment in the pandemic, to accounts that benefited Barrowman and Mone.

    PPE Medpro’s bid to supply the UK government in 2020 was placed in a “high-priority lane” after lobbying from Mone even as she maintained that she had no involvement in the company. Barrowman has also previously denied being an “investor” in PPE Medpro.

    HSBC unfroze the accounts in November 2020 after assurances from Barrowman, only to immediately raise fresh red flags over “discrepancies” in information provided by the businessman and his wife, according to its report.

    Barrowman assured the bank that neither he nor his wife had any role advising UK government officials on PPE procurement and that Mone had no involvement in the business activities of PPE Medpro, the report says.

    However, Mone told the bank that she and Barrowman advised government ministers on procurement and complained that the frozen accounts were damaging PPE Medpro, “indicating [she] may indeed have had an interest” in the supplier, HSBC found.

    The Guardian this week first revealed the existence of the HSBC report, including that accounts linked to Mone received profits from PPE Medpro. This article contains new details about HSBC’s findings and the responses from Barrowman and Mone.


  • The government came under heavy criticism last year when it emerged that in the early months of the pandemic it had awarded two contracts — for £80mn and £122mn — to PPE Medpro after Mone lobbied then ministers Michael Gove and Lord Theodore Agnew using their personal email addresses.

    The largest part of the order, about 25mn surgical gowns, was ultimately deemed unfit for purpose.

    The HSBC probe found that £65mn in profits from PPE Medpro were transferred to The Warren Trust, whose beneficial owner was Barrowman and registered in the Isle of Man, £45.8mn of which was then transferred to Barrowman’s personal account.

    A sum of £28.8mn was then transferred to The Keristal Trust, whose beneficiaries were Mone and her children, the documents show.

    Barrowman said the transfers were made for “tax efficiency reasons” and that he sent money to Mone and her children in “his personal capacity”, the document said.

    More than £700,000 was also transferred to the account of Mone’s eldest daughter Rebecca, as well as £3mn to another account Mone held with the private bank Coutts, the report states.

    It is not clear from the documents why Barrowman — who has repeatedly distanced himself from PPE Medpro — received or disbursed profits from the company....

    ...HSBC subsequently dropped the couple as clients, according to people familiar with the matter.


    https://www.ft.com/content/147d662b-d492-400d-a07c-c5b336bad6af
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,274
    edited November 2022
    rcs1000 said:

    SKS fans please explain

    Why England were so bad?
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 50,772
    Southgate is just profoundly uninspirational.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 46,249

    All the people in the pub confident of our progression...

    Well, so am I. We're not going to lose by four goals to Wales

    I just doubt we can get beyond the 2nd round, and I REALLY doubt we can get beyond the QF
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,274
    edited November 2022

    Put it this way, Cyclefree and myself would have a field day with this.


    HSBC froze bank accounts linked to Tory peer Baroness Michelle Mone and her husband Douglas Barrowman during an investigation that examined possible corruption in securing government contracts.

    An internal HSBC report, seen by the Financial Times, traces money transferred by PPE Medpro, which received £202mn of government orders for personal protective equipment in the pandemic, to accounts that benefited Barrowman and Mone.

    PPE Medpro’s bid to supply the UK government in 2020 was placed in a “high-priority lane” after lobbying from Mone even as she maintained that she had no involvement in the company. Barrowman has also previously denied being an “investor” in PPE Medpro.

    HSBC unfroze the accounts in November 2020 after assurances from Barrowman, only to immediately raise fresh red flags over “discrepancies” in information provided by the businessman and his wife, according to its report.

    Barrowman assured the bank that neither he nor his wife had any role advising UK government officials on PPE procurement and that Mone had no involvement in the business activities of PPE Medpro, the report says.

    However, Mone told the bank that she and Barrowman advised government ministers on procurement and complained that the frozen accounts were damaging PPE Medpro, “indicating [she] may indeed have had an interest” in the supplier, HSBC found.

    The Guardian this week first revealed the existence of the HSBC report, including that accounts linked to Mone received profits from PPE Medpro. This article contains new details about HSBC’s findings and the responses from Barrowman and Mone.


    See the big mistake they made is going with HSBC, you can't trust them to keep your financial deals secret. Should have gone with Coutts, far more discretion.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 26,281
    FPT

    Andy_JS said:

    Any predictions for Iran vs USA?

    Tasty game given geo-political tensions....
    Hopefully not with a Russian or Chinese referee.
  • DavidL said:

    Southgate is just profoundly uninspirational.

    The irony?

    Back in 2002 when England got knocked out by Brazil it was Southgate was the one who said of Sven, 'We needed Churchill, we got Iain Duncan Smith.'
  • DriverDriver Posts: 4,522
    DavidL said:

    Southgate is just profoundly uninspirational.

    And yet the second most successful England manager ever.
  • Andy_JS said:

    FPT

    Andy_JS said:

    Any predictions for Iran vs USA?

    Tasty game given geo-political tensions....
    Hopefully not with a Russian or Chinese referee.
    Given FIFA history, nothing is off the table.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 46,249

    DavidL said:

    Southgate is just profoundly uninspirational.

    The irony?

    Back in 2002 when England got knocked out by Brazil it was Southgate was the one who said of Sven, 'We needed Churchill, we got Iain Duncan Smith.'
    Southgate is Starmer
  • Put it this way, Cyclefree and myself would have a field day with this.


    HSBC froze bank accounts linked to Tory peer Baroness Michelle Mone and her husband Douglas Barrowman during an investigation that examined possible corruption in securing government contracts.

    An internal HSBC report, seen by the Financial Times, traces money transferred by PPE Medpro, which received £202mn of government orders for personal protective equipment in the pandemic, to accounts that benefited Barrowman and Mone.

    PPE Medpro’s bid to supply the UK government in 2020 was placed in a “high-priority lane” after lobbying from Mone even as she maintained that she had no involvement in the company. Barrowman has also previously denied being an “investor” in PPE Medpro.

    HSBC unfroze the accounts in November 2020 after assurances from Barrowman, only to immediately raise fresh red flags over “discrepancies” in information provided by the businessman and his wife, according to its report.

    Barrowman assured the bank that neither he nor his wife had any role advising UK government officials on PPE procurement and that Mone had no involvement in the business activities of PPE Medpro, the report says.

    However, Mone told the bank that she and Barrowman advised government ministers on procurement and complained that the frozen accounts were damaging PPE Medpro, “indicating [she] may indeed have had an interest” in the supplier, HSBC found.

    The Guardian this week first revealed the existence of the HSBC report, including that accounts linked to Mone received profits from PPE Medpro. This article contains new details about HSBC’s findings and the responses from Barrowman and Mone.


    See the big mistake they made is going with HSBC, you can't trust them to keep your financial deals secret. Should have gone with Coutts, far more discretion.
    Nah, as any fule nows, Coutts are owned by the UK government, if you want if you want a bank to cover up your illegality discretion with a bank go to Deutsche Bank.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 53,771
    edited November 2022
    You know, Wales can still win the group.

    If the US draws against Iran, then the US has 3 points, and Iran 4, with the US having zero goal difference and Iran -4.

    If Wales then beats England 4-0, then they move up to 4 points as well, with +2 goal difference, while England drops 0 goal difference. (A 3-0 victory would not be enough, as England would then win on goals scored. However, something like 6-3 would be enough for Wales I think.)

    If the US draws Iran, then any victory by Wales sends them through due to Iran's rubbish goal difference.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,274
    edited November 2022
    Totally O/T....

    The Underworld of Brussels
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JTmPoF9iws8

    I stumbled across this small YouTube channel the other day that has been doing some fantastic deep dives into the underworld running the drugs into Europe via Holland and Belgium (and all the organised crime that spins out of that).

    They have slowly been piecing together from where the Kinahans fitted into this machine to wider European alliances.

    Holland and Belgium don't appear to be that far removed from nacro states.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 50,772

    Put it this way, Cyclefree and myself would have a field day with this.


    HSBC froze bank accounts linked to Tory peer Baroness Michelle Mone and her husband Douglas Barrowman during an investigation that examined possible corruption in securing government contracts.

    An internal HSBC report, seen by the Financial Times, traces money transferred by PPE Medpro, which received £202mn of government orders for personal protective equipment in the pandemic, to accounts that benefited Barrowman and Mone.

    PPE Medpro’s bid to supply the UK government in 2020 was placed in a “high-priority lane” after lobbying from Mone even as she maintained that she had no involvement in the company. Barrowman has also previously denied being an “investor” in PPE Medpro.

    HSBC unfroze the accounts in November 2020 after assurances from Barrowman, only to immediately raise fresh red flags over “discrepancies” in information provided by the businessman and his wife, according to its report.

    Barrowman assured the bank that neither he nor his wife had any role advising UK government officials on PPE procurement and that Mone had no involvement in the business activities of PPE Medpro, the report says.

    However, Mone told the bank that she and Barrowman advised government ministers on procurement and complained that the frozen accounts were damaging PPE Medpro, “indicating [she] may indeed have had an interest” in the supplier, HSBC found.

    The Guardian this week first revealed the existence of the HSBC report, including that accounts linked to Mone received profits from PPE Medpro. This article contains new details about HSBC’s findings and the responses from Barrowman and Mone.


    I have never forgotten that the HSBC solution to too large crates of cash at their branch in Mexico was to make larger gaps in the grills.
    https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/gangster-bankers-too-big-to-jail-102004/
  • Old King Cole (or is it Kong?) - hope you are feeling better, and maybe even better than that!

    From your post at tail end last thread, are we to understand you are recovering from your operation, at some distance from your home? Do you have some company - what's your situation?
  • rcs1000 said:

    You know, Wales can still win the group.

    If the US draws against Iran, then the US has 3 points, and Iran 4, with the US having zero goal difference and Iran -4.

    If Wales then beats England 4-0, then they move up to 4 points as well, with +2 goal difference, while England drops 0 goal difference. (A 3-0 victory would not be enough, as England would then win on goals scored. However, something like 6-3 would be enough for Wales I think.)

    If the US draws Iran, then any victory by Wales sends them through due to Iran's rubbish goal difference.

    Iran have a -2 goal difference.
  • CookieCookie Posts: 11,184
    pigeon said:

    kinabalu said:

    pigeon said:

    Curse of ITV strikes again.

    You lot have all missed The One Show (featuring a chat with Cliff Richard!!!), followed by a repeat of a documentary about showmen travellers in East Anglia, AND an old episode of Celebrity Antiques Road Trip on BBC2, by the way. I am yet to recover from the excitement.
    Does he have a Christmas single for us this year?
    Probably, but dunno. One confesses that one has actually been shopping, rather than paying any real attention to the telly.
    On Wednesdays, on the way home with my oldest, I call in at Tesco in Stretford for her to get some ice tea and mentos while I marvel at the range of highly specific fishing magazines on offer. This week, alongside at least three publications dedicated to carp in different circumstances, I was startled to see the publication "Christmas with Cliff". How can this have enough content for a whole magazine? And how is there enough demand to merit puttting it together?
    Judging by the cover, the old fella nowadays looks like a waxwork of Cliff Richard.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 49,958

    All the people in the pub confident of our progression...

    Don't we need to lose to Wales by four clear goals not to progress?
  • Leon said:

    DavidL said:

    Southgate is just profoundly uninspirational.

    The irony?

    Back in 2002 when England got knocked out by Brazil it was Southgate was the one who said of Sven, 'We needed Churchill, we got Iain Duncan Smith.'
    Southgate is Starmer
    Which is why LAB might be disappointed at GE 2024 👍
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,274
    edited November 2022

    Put it this way, Cyclefree and myself would have a field day with this.


    HSBC froze bank accounts linked to Tory peer Baroness Michelle Mone and her husband Douglas Barrowman during an investigation that examined possible corruption in securing government contracts.

    An internal HSBC report, seen by the Financial Times, traces money transferred by PPE Medpro, which received £202mn of government orders for personal protective equipment in the pandemic, to accounts that benefited Barrowman and Mone.

    PPE Medpro’s bid to supply the UK government in 2020 was placed in a “high-priority lane” after lobbying from Mone even as she maintained that she had no involvement in the company. Barrowman has also previously denied being an “investor” in PPE Medpro.

    HSBC unfroze the accounts in November 2020 after assurances from Barrowman, only to immediately raise fresh red flags over “discrepancies” in information provided by the businessman and his wife, according to its report.

    Barrowman assured the bank that neither he nor his wife had any role advising UK government officials on PPE procurement and that Mone had no involvement in the business activities of PPE Medpro, the report says.

    However, Mone told the bank that she and Barrowman advised government ministers on procurement and complained that the frozen accounts were damaging PPE Medpro, “indicating [she] may indeed have had an interest” in the supplier, HSBC found.

    The Guardian this week first revealed the existence of the HSBC report, including that accounts linked to Mone received profits from PPE Medpro. This article contains new details about HSBC’s findings and the responses from Barrowman and Mone.


    See the big mistake they made is going with HSBC, you can't trust them to keep your financial deals secret. Should have gone with Coutts, far more discretion.
    Nah, as any fule nows, Coutts are owned by the UK government, if you want if you want a bank to cover up your illegality discretion with a bank go to Deutsche Bank.
    Good point...Deutsche Bank in the middle east who got a lawyer sacked after they questioned why constant shortages of cash there appeared to be due to allowing a small number of individuals to literally withdrawal cash in wheel barrows.

    https://www.bbc.com/news/business-50205956
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 53,771

    rcs1000 said:

    You know, Wales can still win the group.

    If the US draws against Iran, then the US has 3 points, and Iran 4, with the US having zero goal difference and Iran -4.

    If Wales then beats England 4-0, then they move up to 4 points as well, with +2 goal difference, while England drops 0 goal difference. (A 3-0 victory would not be enough, as England would then win on goals scored. However, something like 6-3 would be enough for Wales I think.)

    If the US draws Iran, then any victory by Wales sends them through due to Iran's rubbish goal difference.

    Iran have a -2 goal difference.
    You are correct, but it doesn't change my maths.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 49,958
    Leon said:

    DavidL said:

    Southgate is just profoundly uninspirational.

    The irony?

    Back in 2002 when England got knocked out by Brazil it was Southgate was the one who said of Sven, 'We needed Churchill, we got Iain Duncan Smith.'
    Southgate is Starmer
    Never going to win a major trophy?

    (Spectator "Politician of the Year" aside...)
  • CookieCookie Posts: 11,184
    Happy to cofirm, by the way, that the Lego Movie 2 is excellent. Very deep, very meta, lots of moderately clever jokes, Noel Fielding, musical direction Mark Mothersbaugh out of Devo. No complaints about my decision to watch that rather than England on ITV, except for the complaint that in order to nake out the dialog, you to turn the volume up so much that the background noises were too loud.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 53,771

    Totally O/T....

    The Underworld of Brussels
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JTmPoF9iws8

    I stumbled across this small YouTube channel the other day that has been doing some fantastic deep dives into the underworld running the drugs into Europe via Holland and Belgium (and all the organised crime that spins out of that).

    They have slowly been piecing together from where the Kinahans fitted into this machine to wider European alliances.

    Holland and Belgium don't appear to be that far removed from nacro states.

    You've seen Layer Cake right?
  • Put it this way, Cyclefree and myself would have a field day with this.


    HSBC froze bank accounts linked to Tory peer Baroness Michelle Mone and her husband Douglas Barrowman during an investigation that examined possible corruption in securing government contracts.

    An internal HSBC report, seen by the Financial Times, traces money transferred by PPE Medpro, which received £202mn of government orders for personal protective equipment in the pandemic, to accounts that benefited Barrowman and Mone.

    PPE Medpro’s bid to supply the UK government in 2020 was placed in a “high-priority lane” after lobbying from Mone even as she maintained that she had no involvement in the company. Barrowman has also previously denied being an “investor” in PPE Medpro.

    HSBC unfroze the accounts in November 2020 after assurances from Barrowman, only to immediately raise fresh red flags over “discrepancies” in information provided by the businessman and his wife, according to its report.

    Barrowman assured the bank that neither he nor his wife had any role advising UK government officials on PPE procurement and that Mone had no involvement in the business activities of PPE Medpro, the report says.

    However, Mone told the bank that she and Barrowman advised government ministers on procurement and complained that the frozen accounts were damaging PPE Medpro, “indicating [she] may indeed have had an interest” in the supplier, HSBC found.

    The Guardian this week first revealed the existence of the HSBC report, including that accounts linked to Mone received profits from PPE Medpro. This article contains new details about HSBC’s findings and the responses from Barrowman and Mone.


    See the big mistake they made is going with HSBC, you can't trust them to keep your financial deals secret. Should have gone with Coutts, far more discretion.
    Nah, as any fule nows, Coutts are owned by the UK government, if you want if you want a bank to cover up your illegality discretion with a bank go to Deutsche Bank.
    Good point...Deutsche Bank in the middle east who got a lawyer sacked after they questioned why constant shortages of cash there appeared to be due to allowing a small number of individuals to literally withdrawal cash in wheel barrows.

    https://www.bbc.com/news/business-50205956
    Yup.

    I also wouldn't work for HSBC.

    I think they literally financed Iranian terrorism and were the bank for the IRGC.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,274
    edited November 2022

    Leon said:

    DavidL said:

    Southgate is just profoundly uninspirational.

    The irony?

    Back in 2002 when England got knocked out by Brazil it was Southgate was the one who said of Sven, 'We needed Churchill, we got Iain Duncan Smith.'
    Southgate is Starmer
    Never going to win a major trophy?

    (Spectator "Politician of the Year" aside...)
    Starmer is lucky he gets to play against mediocre opposition like Iranian national football team every week.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 50,772

    Put it this way, Cyclefree and myself would have a field day with this.


    HSBC froze bank accounts linked to Tory peer Baroness Michelle Mone and her husband Douglas Barrowman during an investigation that examined possible corruption in securing government contracts.

    An internal HSBC report, seen by the Financial Times, traces money transferred by PPE Medpro, which received £202mn of government orders for personal protective equipment in the pandemic, to accounts that benefited Barrowman and Mone.

    PPE Medpro’s bid to supply the UK government in 2020 was placed in a “high-priority lane” after lobbying from Mone even as she maintained that she had no involvement in the company. Barrowman has also previously denied being an “investor” in PPE Medpro.

    HSBC unfroze the accounts in November 2020 after assurances from Barrowman, only to immediately raise fresh red flags over “discrepancies” in information provided by the businessman and his wife, according to its report.

    Barrowman assured the bank that neither he nor his wife had any role advising UK government officials on PPE procurement and that Mone had no involvement in the business activities of PPE Medpro, the report says.

    However, Mone told the bank that she and Barrowman advised government ministers on procurement and complained that the frozen accounts were damaging PPE Medpro, “indicating [she] may indeed have had an interest” in the supplier, HSBC found.

    The Guardian this week first revealed the existence of the HSBC report, including that accounts linked to Mone received profits from PPE Medpro. This article contains new details about HSBC’s findings and the responses from Barrowman and Mone.


    See the big mistake they made is going with HSBC, you can't trust them to keep your financial deals secret. Should have gone with Coutts, far more discretion.
    Nah, as any fule nows, Coutts are owned by the UK government, if you want if you want a bank to cover up your illegality discretion with a bank go to Deutsche Bank.
    Good point...Deutsche Bank in the middle east who got a lawyer sacked after they questioned why constant shortages of cash there appeared to be due to allowing a small number of individuals to literally withdrawal cash in wheel barrows.

    https://www.bbc.com/news/business-50205956
    Yup.

    I also wouldn't work for HSBC.

    I think they literally financed Iranian terrorism and were the bank for the IRGC.
    Thank goodness we have moderators looking out for intemperate comments like that.
  • CookieCookie Posts: 11,184

    Put it this way, Cyclefree and myself would have a field day with this.


    HSBC froze bank accounts linked to Tory peer Baroness Michelle Mone and her husband Douglas Barrowman during an investigation that examined possible corruption in securing government contracts.

    An internal HSBC report, seen by the Financial Times, traces money transferred by PPE Medpro, which received £202mn of government orders for personal protective equipment in the pandemic, to accounts that benefited Barrowman and Mone.

    PPE Medpro’s bid to supply the UK government in 2020 was placed in a “high-priority lane” after lobbying from Mone even as she maintained that she had no involvement in the company. Barrowman has also previously denied being an “investor” in PPE Medpro.

    HSBC unfroze the accounts in November 2020 after assurances from Barrowman, only to immediately raise fresh red flags over “discrepancies” in information provided by the businessman and his wife, according to its report.

    Barrowman assured the bank that neither he nor his wife had any role advising UK government officials on PPE procurement and that Mone had no involvement in the business activities of PPE Medpro, the report says.

    However, Mone told the bank that she and Barrowman advised government ministers on procurement and complained that the frozen accounts were damaging PPE Medpro, “indicating [she] may indeed have had an interest” in the supplier, HSBC found.

    The Guardian this week first revealed the existence of the HSBC report, including that accounts linked to Mone received profits from PPE Medpro. This article contains new details about HSBC’s findings and the responses from Barrowman and Mone.


    See the big mistake they made is going with HSBC, you can't trust them to keep your financial deals secret. Should have gone with Coutts, far more discretion.
    Nah, as any fule nows, Coutts are owned by the UK government, if you want if you want a bank to cover up your illegality discretion with a bank go to Deutsche Bank.
    Good point...Deutsche Bank in the middle east who got a lawyer sacked after they questioned why constant shortages of cash there appeared to be due to allowing a small number of individuals to literally withdrawal cash in wheel barrows.

    https://www.bbc.com/news/business-50205956
    Yup.

    I also wouldn't work for HSBC.

    I think they literally financed Iranian terrorism and were the bank for the IRGC.
    Haven't they also sided with the CPC over Hong Kong?
  • DavidL said:

    Southgate is just profoundly uninspirational.

    The irony?

    Back in 2002 when England got knocked out by Brazil it was Southgate was the one who said of Sven, 'We needed Churchill, we got Iain Duncan Smith.'
    Iain Duncan Southgate
  • pigeonpigeon Posts: 4,088
    Cookie said:

    pigeon said:

    kinabalu said:

    pigeon said:

    Curse of ITV strikes again.

    You lot have all missed The One Show (featuring a chat with Cliff Richard!!!), followed by a repeat of a documentary about showmen travellers in East Anglia, AND an old episode of Celebrity Antiques Road Trip on BBC2, by the way. I am yet to recover from the excitement.
    Does he have a Christmas single for us this year?
    Probably, but dunno. One confesses that one has actually been shopping, rather than paying any real attention to the telly.
    On Wednesdays, on the way home with my oldest, I call in at Tesco in Stretford for her to get some ice tea and mentos while I marvel at the range of highly specific fishing magazines on offer. This week, alongside at least three publications dedicated to carp in different circumstances, I was startled to see the publication "Christmas with Cliff". How can this have enough content for a whole magazine? And how is there enough demand to merit puttting it together?
    Judging by the cover, the old fella nowadays looks like a waxwork of Cliff Richard.
    There must be a devoted fanbase of octogenarians willing to part with their cash for Cliff Richard stuff, otherwise it would not continue to be produced. The content isn't a problem - the producers of the latest tome presumably rewrote the same content that has appeared in it annually, in a variety of different sequences, every year since circa 1986.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 66,757

    Put it this way, Cyclefree and myself would have a field day with this.


    HSBC froze bank accounts linked to Tory peer Baroness Michelle Mone and her husband Douglas Barrowman during an investigation that examined possible corruption in securing government contracts.

    An internal HSBC report, seen by the Financial Times, traces money transferred by PPE Medpro, which received £202mn of government orders for personal protective equipment in the pandemic, to accounts that benefited Barrowman and Mone.

    PPE Medpro’s bid to supply the UK government in 2020 was placed in a “high-priority lane” after lobbying from Mone even as she maintained that she had no involvement in the company. Barrowman has also previously denied being an “investor” in PPE Medpro.

    HSBC unfroze the accounts in November 2020 after assurances from Barrowman, only to immediately raise fresh red flags over “discrepancies” in information provided by the businessman and his wife, according to its report.

    Barrowman assured the bank that neither he nor his wife had any role advising UK government officials on PPE procurement and that Mone had no involvement in the business activities of PPE Medpro, the report says.

    However, Mone told the bank that she and Barrowman advised government ministers on procurement and complained that the frozen accounts were damaging PPE Medpro, “indicating [she] may indeed have had an interest” in the supplier, HSBC found.

    The Guardian this week first revealed the existence of the HSBC report, including that accounts linked to Mone received profits from PPE Medpro. This article contains new details about HSBC’s findings and the responses from Barrowman and Mone.


    At some point, I hope somebody will exert similar scrutiny on the rampaging corruption that went on between the government and Oak National Academy. Which was smaller in scale but in its own way even more egregious and blatant.
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 14,881
    Leon said:

    All the people in the pub confident of our progression...

    Well, so am I. We're not going to lose by four goals to Wales

    I just doubt we can get beyond the 2nd round, and I REALLY doubt we can get beyond the QF
    This is exactly like 2021 against Scotland. Might be worth looking at the PB thread that night too. Have you all forgotten beating Germany 2-0? Winning through to the final? That joy of scoring first, in a final?
    Yes it was a tough watch tonight, and I think the yanks will be happier about how their plans worked out, but we are into the last 16 bar a betting stitch up somewhere. I’ve spent 45 years watching England failing to break down hardworking, well drilled defences and often failing.
    I fully expect a glorious quarter final exit ( as befits a 5th ranked team in the tournament).
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 66,757
    DavidL said:

    Put it this way, Cyclefree and myself would have a field day with this.


    HSBC froze bank accounts linked to Tory peer Baroness Michelle Mone and her husband Douglas Barrowman during an investigation that examined possible corruption in securing government contracts.

    An internal HSBC report, seen by the Financial Times, traces money transferred by PPE Medpro, which received £202mn of government orders for personal protective equipment in the pandemic, to accounts that benefited Barrowman and Mone.

    PPE Medpro’s bid to supply the UK government in 2020 was placed in a “high-priority lane” after lobbying from Mone even as she maintained that she had no involvement in the company. Barrowman has also previously denied being an “investor” in PPE Medpro.

    HSBC unfroze the accounts in November 2020 after assurances from Barrowman, only to immediately raise fresh red flags over “discrepancies” in information provided by the businessman and his wife, according to its report.

    Barrowman assured the bank that neither he nor his wife had any role advising UK government officials on PPE procurement and that Mone had no involvement in the business activities of PPE Medpro, the report says.

    However, Mone told the bank that she and Barrowman advised government ministers on procurement and complained that the frozen accounts were damaging PPE Medpro, “indicating [she] may indeed have had an interest” in the supplier, HSBC found.

    The Guardian this week first revealed the existence of the HSBC report, including that accounts linked to Mone received profits from PPE Medpro. This article contains new details about HSBC’s findings and the responses from Barrowman and Mone.


    See the big mistake they made is going with HSBC, you can't trust them to keep your financial deals secret. Should have gone with Coutts, far more discretion.
    Nah, as any fule nows, Coutts are owned by the UK government, if you want if you want a bank to cover up your illegality discretion with a bank go to Deutsche Bank.
    Good point...Deutsche Bank in the middle east who got a lawyer sacked after they questioned why constant shortages of cash there appeared to be due to allowing a small number of individuals to literally withdrawal cash in wheel barrows.

    https://www.bbc.com/news/business-50205956
    Yup.

    I also wouldn't work for HSBC.

    I think they literally financed Iranian terrorism and were the bank for the IRGC.
    Thank goodness we have moderators looking out for intemperate comments like that.
    Yeah, that's a bit near the wind.

    The IRGC will be very angry at the suggestion they use banking services.
  • CookieCookie Posts: 11,184
    pigeon said:

    Cookie said:

    pigeon said:

    kinabalu said:

    pigeon said:

    Curse of ITV strikes again.

    You lot have all missed The One Show (featuring a chat with Cliff Richard!!!), followed by a repeat of a documentary about showmen travellers in East Anglia, AND an old episode of Celebrity Antiques Road Trip on BBC2, by the way. I am yet to recover from the excitement.
    Does he have a Christmas single for us this year?
    Probably, but dunno. One confesses that one has actually been shopping, rather than paying any real attention to the telly.
    On Wednesdays, on the way home with my oldest, I call in at Tesco in Stretford for her to get some ice tea and mentos while I marvel at the range of highly specific fishing magazines on offer. This week, alongside at least three publications dedicated to carp in different circumstances, I was startled to see the publication "Christmas with Cliff". How can this have enough content for a whole magazine? And how is there enough demand to merit puttting it together?
    Judging by the cover, the old fella nowadays looks like a waxwork of Cliff Richard.
    There must be a devoted fanbase of octogenarians willing to part with their cash for Cliff Richard stuff, otherwise it would not continue to be produced. The content isn't a problem - the producers of the latest tome presumably rewrote the same content that has appeared in it annually, in a variety of different sequences, every year since circa 1986.
    Well quite, and I bear ill will neither to them nor the dessicated old geezer himself, but I'm still baffled as the phenomenon. There are no other pop stars left over from the late 50s or indeed any other era that I can think of who support such an industry.
  • DavidL said:

    Put it this way, Cyclefree and myself would have a field day with this.


    HSBC froze bank accounts linked to Tory peer Baroness Michelle Mone and her husband Douglas Barrowman during an investigation that examined possible corruption in securing government contracts.

    An internal HSBC report, seen by the Financial Times, traces money transferred by PPE Medpro, which received £202mn of government orders for personal protective equipment in the pandemic, to accounts that benefited Barrowman and Mone.

    PPE Medpro’s bid to supply the UK government in 2020 was placed in a “high-priority lane” after lobbying from Mone even as she maintained that she had no involvement in the company. Barrowman has also previously denied being an “investor” in PPE Medpro.

    HSBC unfroze the accounts in November 2020 after assurances from Barrowman, only to immediately raise fresh red flags over “discrepancies” in information provided by the businessman and his wife, according to its report.

    Barrowman assured the bank that neither he nor his wife had any role advising UK government officials on PPE procurement and that Mone had no involvement in the business activities of PPE Medpro, the report says.

    However, Mone told the bank that she and Barrowman advised government ministers on procurement and complained that the frozen accounts were damaging PPE Medpro, “indicating [she] may indeed have had an interest” in the supplier, HSBC found.

    The Guardian this week first revealed the existence of the HSBC report, including that accounts linked to Mone received profits from PPE Medpro. This article contains new details about HSBC’s findings and the responses from Barrowman and Mone.


    See the big mistake they made is going with HSBC, you can't trust them to keep your financial deals secret. Should have gone with Coutts, far more discretion.
    Nah, as any fule nows, Coutts are owned by the UK government, if you want if you want a bank to cover up your illegality discretion with a bank go to Deutsche Bank.
    Good point...Deutsche Bank in the middle east who got a lawyer sacked after they questioned why constant shortages of cash there appeared to be due to allowing a small number of individuals to literally withdrawal cash in wheel barrows.

    https://www.bbc.com/news/business-50205956
    Yup.

    I also wouldn't work for HSBC.

    I think they literally financed Iranian terrorism and were the bank for the IRGC.
    Thank goodness we have moderators looking out for intemperate comments like that.
    https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/hsbc-terrorists_n_4467329
  • Cookie said:

    Put it this way, Cyclefree and myself would have a field day with this.


    HSBC froze bank accounts linked to Tory peer Baroness Michelle Mone and her husband Douglas Barrowman during an investigation that examined possible corruption in securing government contracts.

    An internal HSBC report, seen by the Financial Times, traces money transferred by PPE Medpro, which received £202mn of government orders for personal protective equipment in the pandemic, to accounts that benefited Barrowman and Mone.

    PPE Medpro’s bid to supply the UK government in 2020 was placed in a “high-priority lane” after lobbying from Mone even as she maintained that she had no involvement in the company. Barrowman has also previously denied being an “investor” in PPE Medpro.

    HSBC unfroze the accounts in November 2020 after assurances from Barrowman, only to immediately raise fresh red flags over “discrepancies” in information provided by the businessman and his wife, according to its report.

    Barrowman assured the bank that neither he nor his wife had any role advising UK government officials on PPE procurement and that Mone had no involvement in the business activities of PPE Medpro, the report says.

    However, Mone told the bank that she and Barrowman advised government ministers on procurement and complained that the frozen accounts were damaging PPE Medpro, “indicating [she] may indeed have had an interest” in the supplier, HSBC found.

    The Guardian this week first revealed the existence of the HSBC report, including that accounts linked to Mone received profits from PPE Medpro. This article contains new details about HSBC’s findings and the responses from Barrowman and Mone.


    See the big mistake they made is going with HSBC, you can't trust them to keep your financial deals secret. Should have gone with Coutts, far more discretion.
    Nah, as any fule nows, Coutts are owned by the UK government, if you want if you want a bank to cover up your illegality discretion with a bank go to Deutsche Bank.
    Good point...Deutsche Bank in the middle east who got a lawyer sacked after they questioned why constant shortages of cash there appeared to be due to allowing a small number of individuals to literally withdrawal cash in wheel barrows.

    https://www.bbc.com/news/business-50205956
    Yup.

    I also wouldn't work for HSBC.

    I think they literally financed Iranian terrorism and were the bank for the IRGC.
    Haven't they also sided with the CPC over Hong Kong?
    Yes.
  • JonathanJonathan Posts: 20,901
    Leon said:

    DavidL said:

    Southgate is just profoundly uninspirational.

    The irony?

    Back in 2002 when England got knocked out by Brazil it was Southgate was the one who said of Sven, 'We needed Churchill, we got Iain Duncan Smith.'
    Southgate is Starmer
    Most successful leader in over 50 years?
  • @DavidL

    A Senate report released ahead of the embargo time revealed that HSBC’s lax anti-money laundering policies allowed Mexican drug money, Iranian terrorist money, and even suspicious Russian money to enter the U.S. and gain access to U.S. dollar liquidity over the last couple of years

    https://www.forbes.com/sites/afontevecchia/2012/07/16/hsbc-helped-terrorists-iran-mexican-drug-cartels-launder-money-senate-report-says/?sh=5334f92f5712
  • Feels like QF exit Sat 10 Dec. Hope I am wrong
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 31,718
    Mr SSSI2.
    Sorry to say the “function doesn’t work on my iPad. Yes I am 10 miles further away in my rehab unit can I was at Ipswich. Sent here because operations for cervical myelopathy, terrible things to the muscles, and they have to be re-strengthened.
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 31,281
    18 months ago:

    "The draw was not a disaster for England – far from it – but the performance left much to be desired and the loud boos that greeted the team at half-time and full time told their own story. "

    https://www.theguardian.com/football/2021/jun/18/england-scotland-euro-2020-match-report
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 50,772

    DavidL said:

    Put it this way, Cyclefree and myself would have a field day with this.


    HSBC froze bank accounts linked to Tory peer Baroness Michelle Mone and her husband Douglas Barrowman during an investigation that examined possible corruption in securing government contracts.

    An internal HSBC report, seen by the Financial Times, traces money transferred by PPE Medpro, which received £202mn of government orders for personal protective equipment in the pandemic, to accounts that benefited Barrowman and Mone.

    PPE Medpro’s bid to supply the UK government in 2020 was placed in a “high-priority lane” after lobbying from Mone even as she maintained that she had no involvement in the company. Barrowman has also previously denied being an “investor” in PPE Medpro.

    HSBC unfroze the accounts in November 2020 after assurances from Barrowman, only to immediately raise fresh red flags over “discrepancies” in information provided by the businessman and his wife, according to its report.

    Barrowman assured the bank that neither he nor his wife had any role advising UK government officials on PPE procurement and that Mone had no involvement in the business activities of PPE Medpro, the report says.

    However, Mone told the bank that she and Barrowman advised government ministers on procurement and complained that the frozen accounts were damaging PPE Medpro, “indicating [she] may indeed have had an interest” in the supplier, HSBC found.

    The Guardian this week first revealed the existence of the HSBC report, including that accounts linked to Mone received profits from PPE Medpro. This article contains new details about HSBC’s findings and the responses from Barrowman and Mone.


    See the big mistake they made is going with HSBC, you can't trust them to keep your financial deals secret. Should have gone with Coutts, far more discretion.
    Nah, as any fule nows, Coutts are owned by the UK government, if you want if you want a bank to cover up your illegality discretion with a bank go to Deutsche Bank.
    Good point...Deutsche Bank in the middle east who got a lawyer sacked after they questioned why constant shortages of cash there appeared to be due to allowing a small number of individuals to literally withdrawal cash in wheel barrows.

    https://www.bbc.com/news/business-50205956
    Yup.

    I also wouldn't work for HSBC.

    I think they literally financed Iranian terrorism and were the bank for the IRGC.
    Thank goodness we have moderators looking out for intemperate comments like that.
    https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/hsbc-terrorists_n_4467329
    I think that the question of whether you can defame an international bank is a genuinely interesting question. It really requires extraordinary imagination to think of something that they haven't actually done multiple times.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 66,757
    DavidL said:

    DavidL said:

    Put it this way, Cyclefree and myself would have a field day with this.


    HSBC froze bank accounts linked to Tory peer Baroness Michelle Mone and her husband Douglas Barrowman during an investigation that examined possible corruption in securing government contracts.

    An internal HSBC report, seen by the Financial Times, traces money transferred by PPE Medpro, which received £202mn of government orders for personal protective equipment in the pandemic, to accounts that benefited Barrowman and Mone.

    PPE Medpro’s bid to supply the UK government in 2020 was placed in a “high-priority lane” after lobbying from Mone even as she maintained that she had no involvement in the company. Barrowman has also previously denied being an “investor” in PPE Medpro.

    HSBC unfroze the accounts in November 2020 after assurances from Barrowman, only to immediately raise fresh red flags over “discrepancies” in information provided by the businessman and his wife, according to its report.

    Barrowman assured the bank that neither he nor his wife had any role advising UK government officials on PPE procurement and that Mone had no involvement in the business activities of PPE Medpro, the report says.

    However, Mone told the bank that she and Barrowman advised government ministers on procurement and complained that the frozen accounts were damaging PPE Medpro, “indicating [she] may indeed have had an interest” in the supplier, HSBC found.

    The Guardian this week first revealed the existence of the HSBC report, including that accounts linked to Mone received profits from PPE Medpro. This article contains new details about HSBC’s findings and the responses from Barrowman and Mone.


    See the big mistake they made is going with HSBC, you can't trust them to keep your financial deals secret. Should have gone with Coutts, far more discretion.
    Nah, as any fule nows, Coutts are owned by the UK government, if you want if you want a bank to cover up your illegality discretion with a bank go to Deutsche Bank.
    Good point...Deutsche Bank in the middle east who got a lawyer sacked after they questioned why constant shortages of cash there appeared to be due to allowing a small number of individuals to literally withdrawal cash in wheel barrows.

    https://www.bbc.com/news/business-50205956
    Yup.

    I also wouldn't work for HSBC.

    I think they literally financed Iranian terrorism and were the bank for the IRGC.
    Thank goodness we have moderators looking out for intemperate comments like that.
    https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/hsbc-terrorists_n_4467329
    I think that the question of whether you can defame an international bank is a genuinely interesting question. It really requires extraordinary imagination to think of something that they haven't actually done multiple times.
    Allowing their office space to be used for the making of pornographic films of children? Rather than funding them to be made elsewhere?
  • Jim_MillerJim_Miller Posts: 2,396
    FPT: Years ago, I leaned this simple trick for pronoun problems like: "Put it this way, Cyclefree and myself would have a field day with this."

    Shorten it by cutting it, as follows: "Put it this way, myself would have a field day with this."

    If that sounds right to you, you're right (probably). If not, correct the pronoun.

    (Cognitive psychologists and/or linguists may be able to explain why that works.)
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 31,281

    Feels like QF exit Sat 10 Dec. Hope I am wrong

    I hope so too.

    I managed to book a romantic weekend away in London with Mrs P. for that weekend, my chances of watching the match are slim to none

    (and Slim's just left town).
  • DavidL said:

    DavidL said:

    Put it this way, Cyclefree and myself would have a field day with this.


    HSBC froze bank accounts linked to Tory peer Baroness Michelle Mone and her husband Douglas Barrowman during an investigation that examined possible corruption in securing government contracts.

    An internal HSBC report, seen by the Financial Times, traces money transferred by PPE Medpro, which received £202mn of government orders for personal protective equipment in the pandemic, to accounts that benefited Barrowman and Mone.

    PPE Medpro’s bid to supply the UK government in 2020 was placed in a “high-priority lane” after lobbying from Mone even as she maintained that she had no involvement in the company. Barrowman has also previously denied being an “investor” in PPE Medpro.

    HSBC unfroze the accounts in November 2020 after assurances from Barrowman, only to immediately raise fresh red flags over “discrepancies” in information provided by the businessman and his wife, according to its report.

    Barrowman assured the bank that neither he nor his wife had any role advising UK government officials on PPE procurement and that Mone had no involvement in the business activities of PPE Medpro, the report says.

    However, Mone told the bank that she and Barrowman advised government ministers on procurement and complained that the frozen accounts were damaging PPE Medpro, “indicating [she] may indeed have had an interest” in the supplier, HSBC found.

    The Guardian this week first revealed the existence of the HSBC report, including that accounts linked to Mone received profits from PPE Medpro. This article contains new details about HSBC’s findings and the responses from Barrowman and Mone.


    See the big mistake they made is going with HSBC, you can't trust them to keep your financial deals secret. Should have gone with Coutts, far more discretion.
    Nah, as any fule nows, Coutts are owned by the UK government, if you want if you want a bank to cover up your illegality discretion with a bank go to Deutsche Bank.
    Good point...Deutsche Bank in the middle east who got a lawyer sacked after they questioned why constant shortages of cash there appeared to be due to allowing a small number of individuals to literally withdrawal cash in wheel barrows.

    https://www.bbc.com/news/business-50205956
    Yup.

    I also wouldn't work for HSBC.

    I think they literally financed Iranian terrorism and were the bank for the IRGC.
    Thank goodness we have moderators looking out for intemperate comments like that.
    https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/hsbc-terrorists_n_4467329
    I think that the question of whether you can defame an international bank is a genuinely interesting question. It really requires extraordinary imagination to think of something that they haven't actually done multiple times.
    Work for Rothschild & Co, the worst thing they can say about us is that we control the world.
  • Jim_MillerJim_Miller Posts: 2,396
    Cookie said: "Happy to cofirm, by the way, that the Lego Movie 2 is excellent."

    And how did the other reviewers at your home like it?
  • RobDRobD Posts: 58,941

    FPT: Years ago, I leaned this simple trick for pronoun problems like: "Put it this way, Cyclefree and myself would have a field day with this."

    Shorten it by cutting it, as follows: "Put it this way, myself would have a field day with this."

    If that sounds right to you, you're right (probably). If not, correct the pronoun.

    (Cognitive psychologists and/or linguists may be able to explain why that works.)

    Who says TSE's preferred pronoun isn't "myself"? ;)
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 66,757

    DavidL said:

    DavidL said:

    Put it this way, Cyclefree and myself would have a field day with this.


    HSBC froze bank accounts linked to Tory peer Baroness Michelle Mone and her husband Douglas Barrowman during an investigation that examined possible corruption in securing government contracts.

    An internal HSBC report, seen by the Financial Times, traces money transferred by PPE Medpro, which received £202mn of government orders for personal protective equipment in the pandemic, to accounts that benefited Barrowman and Mone.

    PPE Medpro’s bid to supply the UK government in 2020 was placed in a “high-priority lane” after lobbying from Mone even as she maintained that she had no involvement in the company. Barrowman has also previously denied being an “investor” in PPE Medpro.

    HSBC unfroze the accounts in November 2020 after assurances from Barrowman, only to immediately raise fresh red flags over “discrepancies” in information provided by the businessman and his wife, according to its report.

    Barrowman assured the bank that neither he nor his wife had any role advising UK government officials on PPE procurement and that Mone had no involvement in the business activities of PPE Medpro, the report says.

    However, Mone told the bank that she and Barrowman advised government ministers on procurement and complained that the frozen accounts were damaging PPE Medpro, “indicating [she] may indeed have had an interest” in the supplier, HSBC found.

    The Guardian this week first revealed the existence of the HSBC report, including that accounts linked to Mone received profits from PPE Medpro. This article contains new details about HSBC’s findings and the responses from Barrowman and Mone.


    See the big mistake they made is going with HSBC, you can't trust them to keep your financial deals secret. Should have gone with Coutts, far more discretion.
    Nah, as any fule nows, Coutts are owned by the UK government, if you want if you want a bank to cover up your illegality discretion with a bank go to Deutsche Bank.
    Good point...Deutsche Bank in the middle east who got a lawyer sacked after they questioned why constant shortages of cash there appeared to be due to allowing a small number of individuals to literally withdrawal cash in wheel barrows.

    https://www.bbc.com/news/business-50205956
    Yup.

    I also wouldn't work for HSBC.

    I think they literally financed Iranian terrorism and were the bank for the IRGC.
    Thank goodness we have moderators looking out for intemperate comments like that.
    https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/hsbc-terrorists_n_4467329
    I think that the question of whether you can defame an international bank is a genuinely interesting question. It really requires extraordinary imagination to think of something that they haven't actually done multiple times.
    Work for Rothschild & Co, the worst thing they can say about us is that we control the world.
    How would that be defamatory? Are you saying it's not true, or that it's not a bad thing?
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 50,772

    DavidL said:

    DavidL said:

    Put it this way, Cyclefree and myself would have a field day with this.


    HSBC froze bank accounts linked to Tory peer Baroness Michelle Mone and her husband Douglas Barrowman during an investigation that examined possible corruption in securing government contracts.

    An internal HSBC report, seen by the Financial Times, traces money transferred by PPE Medpro, which received £202mn of government orders for personal protective equipment in the pandemic, to accounts that benefited Barrowman and Mone.

    PPE Medpro’s bid to supply the UK government in 2020 was placed in a “high-priority lane” after lobbying from Mone even as she maintained that she had no involvement in the company. Barrowman has also previously denied being an “investor” in PPE Medpro.

    HSBC unfroze the accounts in November 2020 after assurances from Barrowman, only to immediately raise fresh red flags over “discrepancies” in information provided by the businessman and his wife, according to its report.

    Barrowman assured the bank that neither he nor his wife had any role advising UK government officials on PPE procurement and that Mone had no involvement in the business activities of PPE Medpro, the report says.

    However, Mone told the bank that she and Barrowman advised government ministers on procurement and complained that the frozen accounts were damaging PPE Medpro, “indicating [she] may indeed have had an interest” in the supplier, HSBC found.

    The Guardian this week first revealed the existence of the HSBC report, including that accounts linked to Mone received profits from PPE Medpro. This article contains new details about HSBC’s findings and the responses from Barrowman and Mone.


    See the big mistake they made is going with HSBC, you can't trust them to keep your financial deals secret. Should have gone with Coutts, far more discretion.
    Nah, as any fule nows, Coutts are owned by the UK government, if you want if you want a bank to cover up your illegality discretion with a bank go to Deutsche Bank.
    Good point...Deutsche Bank in the middle east who got a lawyer sacked after they questioned why constant shortages of cash there appeared to be due to allowing a small number of individuals to literally withdrawal cash in wheel barrows.

    https://www.bbc.com/news/business-50205956
    Yup.

    I also wouldn't work for HSBC.

    I think they literally financed Iranian terrorism and were the bank for the IRGC.
    Thank goodness we have moderators looking out for intemperate comments like that.
    https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/hsbc-terrorists_n_4467329
    I think that the question of whether you can defame an international bank is a genuinely interesting question. It really requires extraordinary imagination to think of something that they haven't actually done multiple times.
    Work for Rothschild & Co, the worst thing they can say about us is that we control the world.
    If that is true you are making a f****** awful job of it.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 66,757

    Cookie said: "Happy to cofirm, by the way, that the Lego Movie 2 is excellent."

    And how did the other reviewers at your home like it?

    They found it really scary, they were bricking it.
  • Jim_MillerJim_Miller Posts: 2,396
    RobD asked: 'Who says TSE's preferred pronoun isn't "myself"?'

    Good point.
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 25,047
    Oh dear, did we lose then? Oh well.
  • Jonathan said:

    Leon said:

    DavidL said:

    Southgate is just profoundly uninspirational.

    The irony?

    Back in 2002 when England got knocked out by Brazil it was Southgate was the one who said of Sven, 'We needed Churchill, we got Iain Duncan Smith.'
    Southgate is Starmer
    Most successful leader in over 50 years?
    Depends what you want in a leader.

    Is it someone calmly getting the team to about where their talents deserve every time, or are triumph and disaster part of the thrill?

    Southgate or Keegan? Starmer or Johnson?
  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 19,618
    On the basis that PB Hot Takes on England are usually completely wrong, I assume we’ll now win the Cup. 😂
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 39,149
    ydoethur said:

    Cookie said: "Happy to cofirm, by the way, that the Lego Movie 2 is excellent."

    And how did the other reviewers at your home like it?

    They found it really scary, they were bricking it.
    Especially when they found it at the top of the stairs when going barefoot to relieve their bladders in the dark of night.
  • On the basis that PB Hot Takes on England are usually completely wrong, I assume we’ll now win the Cup. 😂

    (We) will be ok 👍
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 50,772
    ydoethur said:

    DavidL said:

    DavidL said:

    Put it this way, Cyclefree and myself would have a field day with this.


    HSBC froze bank accounts linked to Tory peer Baroness Michelle Mone and her husband Douglas Barrowman during an investigation that examined possible corruption in securing government contracts.

    An internal HSBC report, seen by the Financial Times, traces money transferred by PPE Medpro, which received £202mn of government orders for personal protective equipment in the pandemic, to accounts that benefited Barrowman and Mone.

    PPE Medpro’s bid to supply the UK government in 2020 was placed in a “high-priority lane” after lobbying from Mone even as she maintained that she had no involvement in the company. Barrowman has also previously denied being an “investor” in PPE Medpro.

    HSBC unfroze the accounts in November 2020 after assurances from Barrowman, only to immediately raise fresh red flags over “discrepancies” in information provided by the businessman and his wife, according to its report.

    Barrowman assured the bank that neither he nor his wife had any role advising UK government officials on PPE procurement and that Mone had no involvement in the business activities of PPE Medpro, the report says.

    However, Mone told the bank that she and Barrowman advised government ministers on procurement and complained that the frozen accounts were damaging PPE Medpro, “indicating [she] may indeed have had an interest” in the supplier, HSBC found.

    The Guardian this week first revealed the existence of the HSBC report, including that accounts linked to Mone received profits from PPE Medpro. This article contains new details about HSBC’s findings and the responses from Barrowman and Mone.


    See the big mistake they made is going with HSBC, you can't trust them to keep your financial deals secret. Should have gone with Coutts, far more discretion.
    Nah, as any fule nows, Coutts are owned by the UK government, if you want if you want a bank to cover up your illegality discretion with a bank go to Deutsche Bank.
    Good point...Deutsche Bank in the middle east who got a lawyer sacked after they questioned why constant shortages of cash there appeared to be due to allowing a small number of individuals to literally withdrawal cash in wheel barrows.

    https://www.bbc.com/news/business-50205956
    Yup.

    I also wouldn't work for HSBC.

    I think they literally financed Iranian terrorism and were the bank for the IRGC.
    Thank goodness we have moderators looking out for intemperate comments like that.
    https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/hsbc-terrorists_n_4467329
    I think that the question of whether you can defame an international bank is a genuinely interesting question. It really requires extraordinary imagination to think of something that they haven't actually done multiple times.
    Allowing their office space to be used for the making of pornographic films of children? Rather than funding them to be made elsewhere?
    I was tempted to do some google searches on this but don't want to be sacked before I start work!
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 39,149
    edited November 2022
    DavidL said:

    ydoethur said:

    DavidL said:

    DavidL said:

    Put it this way, Cyclefree and myself would have a field day with this.


    HSBC froze bank accounts linked to Tory peer Baroness Michelle Mone and her husband Douglas Barrowman during an investigation that examined possible corruption in securing government contracts.

    An internal HSBC report, seen by the Financial Times, traces money transferred by PPE Medpro, which received £202mn of government orders for personal protective equipment in the pandemic, to accounts that benefited Barrowman and Mone.

    PPE Medpro’s bid to supply the UK government in 2020 was placed in a “high-priority lane” after lobbying from Mone even as she maintained that she had no involvement in the company. Barrowman has also previously denied being an “investor” in PPE Medpro.

    HSBC unfroze the accounts in November 2020 after assurances from Barrowman, only to immediately raise fresh red flags over “discrepancies” in information provided by the businessman and his wife, according to its report.

    Barrowman assured the bank that neither he nor his wife had any role advising UK government officials on PPE procurement and that Mone had no involvement in the business activities of PPE Medpro, the report says.

    However, Mone told the bank that she and Barrowman advised government ministers on procurement and complained that the frozen accounts were damaging PPE Medpro, “indicating [she] may indeed have had an interest” in the supplier, HSBC found.

    The Guardian this week first revealed the existence of the HSBC report, including that accounts linked to Mone received profits from PPE Medpro. This article contains new details about HSBC’s findings and the responses from Barrowman and Mone.


    See the big mistake they made is going with HSBC, you can't trust them to keep your financial deals secret. Should have gone with Coutts, far more discretion.
    Nah, as any fule nows, Coutts are owned by the UK government, if you want if you want a bank to cover up your illegality discretion with a bank go to Deutsche Bank.
    Good point...Deutsche Bank in the middle east who got a lawyer sacked after they questioned why constant shortages of cash there appeared to be due to allowing a small number of individuals to literally withdrawal cash in wheel barrows.

    https://www.bbc.com/news/business-50205956
    Yup.

    I also wouldn't work for HSBC.

    I think they literally financed Iranian terrorism and were the bank for the IRGC.
    Thank goodness we have moderators looking out for intemperate comments like that.
    https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/hsbc-terrorists_n_4467329
    I think that the question of whether you can defame an international bank is a genuinely interesting question. It really requires extraordinary imagination to think of something that they haven't actually done multiple times.
    Allowing their office space to be used for the making of pornographic films of children? Rather than funding them to be made elsewhere?
    I was tempted to do some google searches on this but don't want to be sacked before I start work!
    The things one learns on PB. And is frightened to.
  • pigeonpigeon Posts: 4,088
    Exciting news! Registration now open! We can't wait to see in person at the Lib Dems Spring Conference in York: 17-19 March!

    https://twitter.com/LibDemConf/status/1596180775820566532

    First Andrew and Fergie, then they threatened to inflict the House of Lords on York, and now this. What did that lovely city do to deserve such cruel maltreatment?
  • RobD said:

    FPT: Years ago, I leaned this simple trick for pronoun problems like: "Put it this way, Cyclefree and myself would have a field day with this."

    Shorten it by cutting it, as follows: "Put it this way, myself would have a field day with this."

    If that sounds right to you, you're right (probably). If not, correct the pronoun.

    (Cognitive psychologists and/or linguists may be able to explain why that works.)

    Who says TSE's preferred pronoun isn't "myself"? ;)
    I've been in a bolshie mood about genders and pronouns this week, I've been dealing with a transphobe this week.

    Transphobe: Gender is what is between your legs.

    Me: Then my gender is your mum.


    Probably best if I go to bed now before I end up outraging the PB decency.
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 31,718
    Trying to use an iPad with uncontrollable fingers. It’s very difficult too. Even when one dictates!
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 39,149
    Cookie said:

    pigeon said:

    kinabalu said:

    pigeon said:

    Curse of ITV strikes again.

    You lot have all missed The One Show (featuring a chat with Cliff Richard!!!), followed by a repeat of a documentary about showmen travellers in East Anglia, AND an old episode of Celebrity Antiques Road Trip on BBC2, by the way. I am yet to recover from the excitement.
    Does he have a Christmas single for us this year?
    Probably, but dunno. One confesses that one has actually been shopping, rather than paying any real attention to the telly.
    On Wednesdays, on the way home with my oldest, I call in at Tesco in Stretford for her to get some ice tea and mentos while I marvel at the range of highly specific fishing magazines on offer. This week, alongside at least three publications dedicated to carp in different circumstances, I was startled to see the publication "Christmas with Cliff". How can this have enough content for a whole magazine? And how is there enough demand to merit puttting it together?
    Judging by the cover, the old fella nowadays looks like a waxwork of Cliff Richard.
    I wouldn't carp if I were you. I'd rather go fishing for this thing than go to the concert.

    https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2022/nov/21/angler-lands-giant-goldfish-in-french-lake
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 66,757
    Cookie said:

    pigeon said:

    kinabalu said:

    pigeon said:

    Curse of ITV strikes again.

    You lot have all missed The One Show (featuring a chat with Cliff Richard!!!), followed by a repeat of a documentary about showmen travellers in East Anglia, AND an old episode of Celebrity Antiques Road Trip on BBC2, by the way. I am yet to recover from the excitement.
    Does he have a Christmas single for us this year?
    Probably, but dunno. One confesses that one has actually been shopping, rather than paying any real attention to the telly.
    On Wednesdays, on the way home with my oldest, I call in at Tesco in Stretford for her to get some ice tea and mentos while I marvel at the range of highly specific fishing magazines on offer. This week, alongside at least three publications dedicated to carp in different circumstances, I was startled to see the publication "Christmas with Cliff". How can this have enough content for a whole magazine? And how is there enough demand to merit puttting it together?
    Judging by the cover, the old fella nowadays looks like a waxwork of Cliff Richard.
    You see the thing is, once you've got an interest in angling, you'll buy everything because you're addicted. Yes, you're totally hooked.
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 14,881
    ydoethur said:

    Cookie said:

    pigeon said:

    kinabalu said:

    pigeon said:

    Curse of ITV strikes again.

    You lot have all missed The One Show (featuring a chat with Cliff Richard!!!), followed by a repeat of a documentary about showmen travellers in East Anglia, AND an old episode of Celebrity Antiques Road Trip on BBC2, by the way. I am yet to recover from the excitement.
    Does he have a Christmas single for us this year?
    Probably, but dunno. One confesses that one has actually been shopping, rather than paying any real attention to the telly.
    On Wednesdays, on the way home with my oldest, I call in at Tesco in Stretford for her to get some ice tea and mentos while I marvel at the range of highly specific fishing magazines on offer. This week, alongside at least three publications dedicated to carp in different circumstances, I was startled to see the publication "Christmas with Cliff". How can this have enough content for a whole magazine? And how is there enough demand to merit puttting it together?
    Judging by the cover, the old fella nowadays looks like a waxwork of Cliff Richard.
    You see the thing is, once you've got an interest in angling, you'll buy everything because you're addicted. Yes, you're totally hooked.
    Another one for the ledger.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 66,757

    ydoethur said:

    Cookie said:

    pigeon said:

    kinabalu said:

    pigeon said:

    Curse of ITV strikes again.

    You lot have all missed The One Show (featuring a chat with Cliff Richard!!!), followed by a repeat of a documentary about showmen travellers in East Anglia, AND an old episode of Celebrity Antiques Road Trip on BBC2, by the way. I am yet to recover from the excitement.
    Does he have a Christmas single for us this year?
    Probably, but dunno. One confesses that one has actually been shopping, rather than paying any real attention to the telly.
    On Wednesdays, on the way home with my oldest, I call in at Tesco in Stretford for her to get some ice tea and mentos while I marvel at the range of highly specific fishing magazines on offer. This week, alongside at least three publications dedicated to carp in different circumstances, I was startled to see the publication "Christmas with Cliff". How can this have enough content for a whole magazine? And how is there enough demand to merit puttting it together?
    Judging by the cover, the old fella nowadays looks like a waxwork of Cliff Richard.
    You see the thing is, once you've got an interest in angling, you'll buy everything because you're addicted. Yes, you're totally hooked.
    Another one for the ledger.
    Put a line under it.
  • RobD said:

    FPT: Years ago, I leaned this simple trick for pronoun problems like: "Put it this way, Cyclefree and myself would have a field day with this."

    Shorten it by cutting it, as follows: "Put it this way, myself would have a field day with this."

    If that sounds right to you, you're right (probably). If not, correct the pronoun.

    (Cognitive psychologists and/or linguists may be able to explain why that works.)

    Who says TSE's preferred pronoun isn't "myself"? ;)
    I've been in a bolshie mood about genders and pronouns this week, I've been dealing with a transphobe this week.

    Transphobe: Gender is what is between your legs.

    Me: Then my gender is your mum.


    Probably best if I go to bed now before I end up outraging the PB decency.
    What?

    You don't have to buy in to this bullshit, you know? Even if your grasp of logic is hampered by a Cambridge "education." What makes you think gender is a thing at all outside of relevantly inflected languages?
  • DavidL said:

    Put it this way, Cyclefree and myself would have a field day with this.


    HSBC froze bank accounts linked to Tory peer Baroness Michelle Mone and her husband Douglas Barrowman during an investigation that examined possible corruption in securing government contracts.

    An internal HSBC report, seen by the Financial Times, traces money transferred by PPE Medpro, which received £202mn of government orders for personal protective equipment in the pandemic, to accounts that benefited Barrowman and Mone.

    PPE Medpro’s bid to supply the UK government in 2020 was placed in a “high-priority lane” after lobbying from Mone even as she maintained that she had no involvement in the company. Barrowman has also previously denied being an “investor” in PPE Medpro.

    HSBC unfroze the accounts in November 2020 after assurances from Barrowman, only to immediately raise fresh red flags over “discrepancies” in information provided by the businessman and his wife, according to its report.

    Barrowman assured the bank that neither he nor his wife had any role advising UK government officials on PPE procurement and that Mone had no involvement in the business activities of PPE Medpro, the report says.

    However, Mone told the bank that she and Barrowman advised government ministers on procurement and complained that the frozen accounts were damaging PPE Medpro, “indicating [she] may indeed have had an interest” in the supplier, HSBC found.

    The Guardian this week first revealed the existence of the HSBC report, including that accounts linked to Mone received profits from PPE Medpro. This article contains new details about HSBC’s findings and the responses from Barrowman and Mone.


    I have never forgotten that the HSBC solution to too large crates of cash at their branch in Mexico was to make larger gaps in the grills.
    https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/gangster-bankers-too-big-to-jail-102004/
    I thought the story was the other way around, that the cartels were making special containers to fit through the teller windows?

    Either way the source seems dodgy, a lot of it comes from Matt Taibbi who makes stuff up a lot.
  • CookieCookie Posts: 11,184

    Cookie said: "Happy to cofirm, by the way, that the Lego Movie 2 is excellent."

    And how did the other reviewers at your home like it?

    11 year old daughter loved it.
    7 year old daughter with ADHD largely cavorted around the room and gave no indication whatsoever of taking any of it in but would suddenly laugh uproariously at an appropriate place. I think she mainly loved the fact she wasn't having to go to bed.
    12 year old daughtet opted to sit in the other room with her mother and the football, but was actually warching the Netflix Adamms Family offering "Wednesday" on her phone. She was pleased with that, however.

  • Cookie said:

    pigeon said:

    kinabalu said:

    pigeon said:

    Curse of ITV strikes again.

    You lot have all missed The One Show (featuring a chat with Cliff Richard!!!), followed by a repeat of a documentary about showmen travellers in East Anglia, AND an old episode of Celebrity Antiques Road Trip on BBC2, by the way. I am yet to recover from the excitement.
    Does he have a Christmas single for us this year?
    Probably, but dunno. One confesses that one has actually been shopping, rather than paying any real attention to the telly.
    On Wednesdays, on the way home with my oldest, I call in at Tesco in Stretford for her to get some ice tea and mentos while I marvel at the range of highly specific fishing magazines on offer. This week, alongside at least three publications dedicated to carp in different circumstances, I was startled to see the publication "Christmas with Cliff". How can this have enough content for a whole magazine? And how is there enough demand to merit puttting it together?
    Judging by the cover, the old fella nowadays looks like a waxwork of Cliff Richard.
    Cliff is 82. That is even older than Joe Biden. What do you want him to look like? Is he the oldest active performer?
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 47,083

    rcs1000 said:

    You know, Wales can still win the group.

    If the US draws against Iran, then the US has 3 points, and Iran 4, with the US having zero goal difference and Iran -4.

    If Wales then beats England 4-0, then they move up to 4 points as well, with +2 goal difference, while England drops 0 goal difference. (A 3-0 victory would not be enough, as England would then win on goals scored. However, something like 6-3 would be enough for Wales I think.)

    If the US draws Iran, then any victory by Wales sends them through due to Iran's rubbish goal difference.

    F. F. S.

    Football teams are plural, not singular.

    I know you live in LA but you don’t need to adopt their grammar.

    I have said this over and again.

    Even Nick Palmer - Nick Palmer of Godalming, Surrey, England - was doing this recently.

    Somebody make it stop. 🤮
    As posted previously, you are advising in error.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 38,851

    On the basis that PB Hot Takes on England are usually completely wrong, I assume we’ll now win the Cup. 😂

    (We) will be ok 👍
    Yep. Or rather very possibly. Teams don't win WCs with 7 straight thrilling performances. Never happens. It's about far more than that. We're in good shape.
  • CookieCookie Posts: 11,184

    Cookie said:

    pigeon said:

    kinabalu said:

    pigeon said:

    Curse of ITV strikes again.

    You lot have all missed The One Show (featuring a chat with Cliff Richard!!!), followed by a repeat of a documentary about showmen travellers in East Anglia, AND an old episode of Celebrity Antiques Road Trip on BBC2, by the way. I am yet to recover from the excitement.
    Does he have a Christmas single for us this year?
    Probably, but dunno. One confesses that one has actually been shopping, rather than paying any real attention to the telly.
    On Wednesdays, on the way home with my oldest, I call in at Tesco in Stretford for her to get some ice tea and mentos while I marvel at the range of highly specific fishing magazines on offer. This week, alongside at least three publications dedicated to carp in different circumstances, I was startled to see the publication "Christmas with Cliff". How can this have enough content for a whole magazine? And how is there enough demand to merit puttting it together?
    Judging by the cover, the old fella nowadays looks like a waxwork of Cliff Richard.
    Cliff is 82. That is even older than Joe Biden. What do you want him to look like?
    Is he the oldest active performer?
    But Joe Biden looks like an 80 year old man. Cliff looks like a waxwork. I suspect many facelifts since I last saw him.
    I don't mind. He can do what he likes with his money. I was just startled.
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 27,837
    kinabalu said:

    On the basis that PB Hot Takes on England are usually completely wrong, I assume we’ll now win the Cup. 😂

    (We) will be ok 👍
    Yep. Or rather very possibly. Teams don't win WCs with 7 straight thrilling performances. Never happens. It's about far more than that. We're in good shape.
    Yes.
    We need to not lose by four to make the second round. Where we play Holland, Senegal or Ecuador.
    We're in decent shape.
  • This month Matt Jukes, the assistant commissioner and anti-terrorism chief [of Greater Manchester police], was criticised for having worn a “menopause vest” to try to understand hot flushes.

    https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/stop-tweeting-and-get-on-with-the-job-police-told-d5g7cdvhb?ts=1669415484527

    Fucking lol. Perhaps @TheScreamingEagles would like to pop one on?

  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 61,575
    Kanye West announces 2024 presidential bid amid far-right ties
    https://www.theguardian.com/music/2022/nov/25/kanye-west-presidential-run-2024

  • Goodwin highlighting shit, leading poll questions? Who’d have thunk?




  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 66,757
    dixiedean said:

    RobD said:

    FPT: Years ago, I leaned this simple trick for pronoun problems like: "Put it this way, Cyclefree and myself would have a field day with this."

    Shorten it by cutting it, as follows: "Put it this way, myself would have a field day with this."

    If that sounds right to you, you're right (probably). If not, correct the pronoun.

    (Cognitive psychologists and/or linguists may be able to explain why that works.)

    Who says TSE's preferred pronoun isn't "myself"? ;)
    After enjoying a Sainsbury's sticky toffee pudding, my preferred pronoun is "family of four".
    Shurely Orson Welles?

    https://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/orson_welles_104829
  • EPGEPG Posts: 5,996
    The irrepressible growth of neither agree nor disagree. Life must be so great that millions of people don't even care about who governs them.
  • Pro_RataPro_Rata Posts: 4,784
    dixiedean said:

    kinabalu said:

    On the basis that PB Hot Takes on England are usually completely wrong, I assume we’ll now win the Cup. 😂

    (We) will be ok 👍
    Yep. Or rather very possibly. Teams don't win WCs with 7 straight thrilling performances. Never happens. It's about far more than that. We're in good shape.
    Yes.
    We need to not lose by four to make the second round. Where we play Holland, Senegal or Ecuador.
    We're in decent shape.
    The closest to perfection were the Dutch at WC2010. 8 straight qualifying wins, 6 straight tournament wins with the knockouts all completed in the regulation 90, no extra time, no penalties.

    And then losing that rotational kicking festival they inflicted against Spain in the final.

    What a waste.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 26,281
    I'm thinking of updating my "swing bellwethers" spreadsheet with data from the 2019 election. Previously Bedford was the most typical seat in the country in terms of swing at the previous 3 elections. I wonder what it will be this time

    https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/11T6XLQh2ss-Ul9UjG8TzJCvhEFMp0VmsbR8KbSZ_FL0/edit#gid=0
  • stodgestodge Posts: 12,745

    Oh dear, did we lose then? Oh well.

    No, we're partying like it's on sale for £19.66.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 116,709
    So Starmer doing better than Ed Miliband and Corbyn but not as well as Blair in terms of the Opposition being ready to form the next government.

    The fact he ties with Cameron suggests we could see a 2010 repeat
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 116,709

    Goodwin highlighting shit, leading poll questions? Who’d have thunk?




    Makes clear though that voters want skills upskilling of domestic workers rather than mass immigration.

    Immigration where shortages are really there yes but controlled immigration
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 47,789
    @Liz_Wheeler
    If Apple & Google boot Twitter from their app stores, @elonmusk should produce his own smartphone. Half the country would happily ditch the biased, snooping iPhone & Android. The man builds rockets to Mars, a silly little smartphone should be easy, right?

    @elonmusk
    I certainly hope it does not come to that, but, yes, if there is no other choice, I will make an alternative phone


    https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1596268804413476864
  • On thread, it's rather disingenuous to say that Starmer only equalled Cameron in that IPSOS tracker polling.

    In terms of the net agree less disagree %, Starmer's current +15% net is well ahead of Cameron's +8% and +6% net and the best of any opposition leader since Blair.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 61,575
    edited November 2022

    @Liz_Wheeler
    If Apple & Google boot Twitter from their app stores, @elonmusk should produce his own smartphone. Half the country would happily ditch the biased, snooping iPhone & Android. The man builds rockets to Mars, a silly little smartphone should be easy, right?

    @elonmusk
    I certainly hope it does not come to that, but, yes, if there is no other choice, I will make an alternative phone


    https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1596268804413476864

    ‘Cos Musk has no such plans to snoop on users’ stuff ?
    How dumb can you get ?

    Also, what rocket to Mars ?
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 26,281
    Nigelb said:

    @Liz_Wheeler
    If Apple & Google boot Twitter from their app stores, @elonmusk should produce his own smartphone. Half the country would happily ditch the biased, snooping iPhone & Android. The man builds rockets to Mars, a silly little smartphone should be easy, right?

    @elonmusk
    I certainly hope it does not come to that, but, yes, if there is no other choice, I will make an alternative phone


    https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1596268804413476864

    ‘Cos Musk has no such plans to snoop on users’ stuff ?
    How dumb can you get ?

    Also, what rocket to Mars ?
    Apple and Google certainly need some competition.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 53,771
    Putin shares the pain with mothers who have lost their sons in Ukraine

    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-63760278
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