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His logic appears to be that Labour are the nicer party, so EV4EL cannot be allowed, because that would prevent them from being nice.0
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This sounds like the one sensible thing he's suggested so far. Insulating houses actually saves the nation money in terms of energy costs, so it a free win in reducing emissions.OblitusSumMe said:
Either they are going to have to reinsulate some houses they have already insulated, or they're going to have to offer free insulation to private landlords and others who normally don't qualify through this sort of scheme.Richard_Nabavi said:James Chapman (Mail) @jameschappers 10m
Miliband: Labour to devolve power to communities to insulate 5 million lofts over next ten years #lab14
Hang on - didn't Gordon Brown already use that one on at least three of his conference speeches?0 -
Mr. Socrates, no such deal was forthcoming, alas.0
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That would be Stalin, aptly.OblitusSumMe said:
80 minutes though? I'm reminded of some saying about how "quantity has a quality all of its own".Casino_Royale said:This reminds me of the IDS speech to Conference in 2003. And we know how that ended.
Maybe it's an exercise in brain-washing?
I have been self employed and my employer was clearly a racist bigot. 100% of my employees (myself) were white middle class males and I failed completely to be either black or female so that I could tick myself in two more boxes. When I left that employment I didn't even get any severance pay, bastard that I am.Casino_Royale said:Equal rights for the self-employed in Britain.
As a matter of interest, would it be permissible to make yourself redundant from your own company every year, so as to dodge income tax on the first £30k?
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A little murkier than that. Cornwall tends to claim itself a nation and has been pushing for an assembly (of course the may go with a whole South West region).Casino_Royale said:"Reform the House of Lords to create a Senate of the nations and regions" - I presume that's nations for Scotland, Wales and NI, and regions for England.
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8000 is what, a £1 billion a year in salaries plus training costs.FrancisUrquhart said:
Imagine how much cheaper it would have been to get an extra 8000 GPs if Labour hadn't given a ridiculously generous settlement as well as letting them off out of hours duties (putting more pressure on A&E and resulted in the need for more out of hours care centres with more GPs on more money, many of which are private).Morris_Dancer said:Hang on. A billion from tax avoidance loophole closing, and taxes on mansions and tobacco firms. Will that pay for 8,000 GPs and 20,000 nurses (and more, I think)?
Incidentally, everybody in Britain will die of the Black Death if you vote Conservative.0 -
Disasterous speech say the PB Tories.
In other news, Man Utd fan found in Kensington.0 -
What about NI? Let's say 20 representatives for each nation. So we'd have 20 from England and perhaps 7-8 Sinn Fein.Socrates said:
Senate of the Nations? Does that mean he wants the same number of seats for England as for Wales and Scotland?Morris_Dancer said:Not a fan of schoolchildren voting. He wants the Lords to become a 'Senate of the Nations'. And English devolution.
By which he means no English Parliament or English votes for English laws, but sounds like rubbish local devolution. He still wants a constitutional convention.
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Miliband just said fighting in the Spanish Civil War was an example of Englishness.
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Miliband mocking Cameron for the Juncker appointment. Failed to mention Blair's 'building alliances' approach of giving away half our rebate for nothing.0
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Afternoon Reggie!___Bobajob___ said:Disasterous speech say the PB Tories.
In other news, Man Utd fan found in Kensington.0 -
Janan Ganesh@JananGanesh·7 mins
The PM is a very lucky man.
Tom Newton Dunn@tnewtondunn·7 mins
Friends: Grauniad editor @arusbridger now tweeting about Obama rather than Ed's #Lab14 speech. Says it all.
Sunder Katwala@sundersays·9 mins
Labour wants 2015 election to be about the NHS. For many Lab supporters, it may be. For more voters: about who is PM, economy & immigration0 -
And forgetting that Miliband also opposed Juncker - convenient...Morris_Dancer said:Miliband mocking Cameron for the Juncker appointment. Failed to mention Blair's 'building alliances' approach of giving away half our rebate for nothing.
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They'd want to know who and what you were, Isam, no?isam said:
I can't get anything on the internet or phone, but I'm not banned from all their shops!Peter_the_Punter said:
So how did he get on, Isam?isam said:
Probably, although you would be amazed at how many big punters take worse odds than betfairPeter_the_Punter said:Just listened to the interview with the punter who had 900,000 on No in the referendum, having missed the thread completely.
Don't know about anybody else, but he didn't pass the smell test as far as I was concerned. He took 1/4 about an outcome that was as big as 2/5 for a while; he used a Bookie, rather than Betfair, where there was ample liquidity available; he didn't sound or talk like a punter; and he got on for a mega-amount with a firm that regularly knocks back fifty pound punters.
We sure this wasn't just a Hills PR stunt?
Why would anyone, ever take bookie odds when betfair was better?? Mystifying
I can't get 900p on with Hills. Can you?
I guess if I wrote my name on the bankers draught for 900 large they would clock I was banned and not accept... But you'd just get a mate to put it on wouldn't you?
I'm afraid the whole 900k story whiffs a bit.
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A J ELDER-BROWN UKIP @theblindblogger 1m
Good! Milliband has just dug his political grave by pledging his allegiance to the EU. Does he not heed what the people think?
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In other news, Man Utd fan found in Kensington.
Never mind the PB tories. I'd be looking at your own side if I were you. How long do you give the huge rebellion on English matters and the (England only) mansion tax?
24 hours? 48 hours at a push?0 -
Miliband claims the biggest threat to prosperity is the Conservative Party. Hmm. Remind me what happened last time they ran the economy... ?0
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iPlayer's playing up. I think it's gone on strike.
Edited extra bit: er, now the content is no longer available.0 -
Harry Cole @MrHarryCole · 55 secs
People are walking out in boredom of the last leader's speech before an election. 6 so far.
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Keep going Ed - this is brilliant!0
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How many Dr Rosies are there in Devon? One for IoS.0
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Fighting for Gay rights around the world and no vote on Europe - that's the UKIP threat seen off then.....0
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Talked about staying in the EU and reforming from within. But failed to mention a single reform he would seek?0
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I'm not able to watch Ed's speech. Can anyone give a brief summary?0
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The latest Populus gives the Conservatives a 41% - 35% lead* in the 18-24 age group.Socrates said:
Madness. I guess they've figured their wheeze of importing immigrants is coming to an end so they have to gerrymander the electorate another way.CarlottaVance said:Extending the franchise to 16 & 17 year olds....
I'm reassured that most British attempts at gerrymandering have been incompetent: see Labour's introduction of postal voting on demand, used mainly by Tory-voting pensioners, as a prime example.
* Caveat - all the other polls give larger leads to Labour in this age group.0 -
What is it with need a policy idea....insulation.....it get pulled out more often than any other policy. Now it might be sensible to get every bodies homes insulated (you have to question why that isn't already the case that most of the housing stock hasn't been, given Gordon used to promise it every year), but you ever hear at demos.
"What do we want"....
"No not better jobs, schools, hospitals, society....and end to faux auserity....No, what we want....home insulation on the state"
"when do we want it.... "
"well not that urgently because there has been loads of government schemes and I didn't bother applying for any of them"....
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Like Cameron then?Casino_Royale said:Talked about staying in the EU and reforming from within. But failed to mention a single reform he would seek?
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Rosie a doctor from Devon......have we got a full cast list......0
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It seems to me that the Lefties have no issues with power as long as it is in the correct hands, and they are in no doubt as to whose hands are the correct ones....TheWatcher said:
I look forward to the Left leaning contributors here complaining about his 'partisan meddling'.CarlottaVance said:Extending the franchise to 16 & 17 year olds....
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Mr. JS, start absolutely horrendous. Delivery of latter half better, but policies are few and far between. It's not great.
Edited extra bit: now Miliband's doing a bit about how bad 'the other guy' Cameron is.0 -
Labour wants 2015 election to be about the NHS. For many Lab supporters, it may be.
Labour wants to draw attention to its running of the NHS in Wales....????
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Ed Miliband - good speech. But why is he dressed like he had to go to a funeral before making the speech ? Or does a black suit and tie make him look more serious.0
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To help win the election, RedEd has just attacked Murdoch and the Mail newspapers again. He also claims that he stood up against the energy companies but forgets to mention his own miserable role in not tackling the companies when he was the Minister in charge.0
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"People are cynical about politics"
This speech has certainly added to my cynicism.0 -
@RaheemJKassam: “I stood up to Rupert Murdoch” claims Ed at #lab14 http://t.co/e4RnvNtJR60
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Reminds me of the Woody Allen joke where he got a job helping his Dad out, immediately unionized himself and drove his Dad out of business.Richard_Nabavi said:
I guess that means you can't stop being self-employed without giving yourself formal notice, a consultation with yourself, the option to move to another job with yourself, and 1 week’s pay for each full year you were 22 or older, but under 41. And woe betide you if you get it wrong, otherwise you might find yourself taking yourself to an industrial tribunal.CarlottaVance said:Mary Ann Seighart:
Equal rights for the self-employed. Against whom? Themselves?0 -
Hmmm.... He is only 20 minutes from here. I feel like I should nip up the road to GMEX with a few eggs. He needs something to drag him back into contact with reality.Socrates said:
Senate of the Nations? Does that mean he wants the same number of seats for England as for Wales and Scotland?Morris_Dancer said:Not a fan of schoolchildren voting. He wants the Lords to become a 'Senate of the Nations'. And English devolution.
By which he means no English Parliament or English votes for English laws, but sounds like rubbish local devolution. He still wants a constitutional convention.0 -
Mike was invited to the Labour conference.
He decided to go to Spain instead.
I think he made the right choice.0 -
Yes, and I've criticised Cameron heavily for that. But at least Cameron has pledged a referendum on EU membership and knows he has to deliver *some* sort of repatriation, however minor or pathetic.Socrates said:
Like Cameron then?Casino_Royale said:Talked about staying in the EU and reforming from within. But failed to mention a single reform he would seek?
Miliband quite clearly will offer no such vote and do absolutely nothing whatsoever on any repatriation, and isn't even pretending to do so.0 -
Is this another "whom are we governed for" moment?Casino_Royale said:Equal rights for the self-employed in Britain.
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Labour should fire Miliband and make his wife leader.
Attacking the bedroom tax (David Cameron, you've been found out). In the public sector, of course. For private housing Labour doesn't give a damn.0 -
Same here - and I'm still waiting for a lefty to comment on the speech, rather than whining,AndyJS said:I'm not able to watch Ed's speech. Can anyone give a brief summary?
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75 minutes in - and still empty of policy detail.
Empty words at empty faces.0 -
I particularly like the "I Heart the Sun" T-shirt, it is particularly tacky.Scott_P said:@RaheemJKassam: “I stood up to Rupert Murdoch” claims Ed at #lab14 http://t.co/e4RnvNtJR6
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'Mark Robinson @NosniborKram 2mScott_P said:@RaheemJKassam: “I stood up to Rupert Murdoch” claims Ed at #lab14 http://t.co/e4RnvNtJR6
@RaheemJKassam he means he stood up when Mr Murdoch Sir walked in'0 -
Together we are beautiful.0
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@bbclaurak: Unscientific twitter snapshot - pols should NOT mention string of people 'I have met' - makes them sound like on another planet0
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Has he gone to fight in the Civil War?TheScreamingEagles said:Mike was invited to the Labour conference.
He decided to go to Spain instead.
I think he made the right choice.0 -
I've been watching it for an over an hour, and I still can't. Tax bad things (tobacco, hedge funds, banks) to pay for the NHS is the biggest thing I gleaned.AndyJS said:I'm not able to watch Ed's speech. Can anyone give a brief summary?
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Hooray - it's over!0
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I think the only person who will agree with you on that is yourself.hucks67 said:
You will agree that Ed Miliband is the only current party leader that has real substance.Gadfly said:"People are cynical about politics"
This speech has certainly added to my cynicism.
It was a completely empty speech - with no detail, no policy and no plan. Just empty, empty words.0 -
He's said Together more times than Michael Jackson asked Annie if she was ok.0
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"Extraordinary rains pretty generally fall after great battles" - PlutarchBob__Sykes said:Just started raining in Manchester after what had been a pleasant day.
I'm blaming Miliband's speech!0 -
But seeing as relative poverty are lefty watchwords, isn't it impossible to lift everyone out of low pay?oxfordsimon said:Errr...
He just said 20% of working people are on low pay
Now he has said that he is going to abolish low pay by 2025 - taking 2 million people out of low pay.
So we only have 10 million people in work by Ed's figures...
Unless you make everybody earn the same...
Euurghhhh
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'Labours plan for Britain's future'
What is it? After 80 mins of Ed it's still not clear.
Taxes on fags and bankers to pay for insulation and doctors. And Owls.
Surely there's more?0 -
Perhaps Ed is hoping to deflect criticism of himself and his campaign by making it difficult to know where to start0
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@MASieghart: 'Together we can cut the deficit'? No, I didn't think so... #Lab140
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You obviously had the sound turned off and can't lip read.oxfordsimon said:
I think the only person who will agree with you on that is yourself.hucks67 said:
You will agree that Ed Miliband is the only current party leader that has real substance.Gadfly said:"People are cynical about politics"
This speech has certainly added to my cynicism.
It was a completely empty speech - with no detail, no policy and no plan. Just empty, empty word.0 -
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AndyJS said:
I said about a week ago that UKIP had a good chance in Heywood & Middleton, particularly since Clacton already appears to be in the bag for them, which means they can send plenty of activists up to Greater Manchester rather than Essex.
I wouldn't rule out the possibility of a UKIP win in H&M, Andy, but the best UKIP bet by far remains, as it has been for a very long while, that they win at least one seat at the next GE.
Carswell is massive odds on to win Clacton which makes him a very strong favorite to retain the seat in May. Then there's Farage, Eastleigh, and any number of seaside and/or East Anglia constituencies. That's a lot of good prospects running for you.
You can still lay 'None' on Betfair at 1/6. That's a gift.
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He forgot we have a deficit, massive debt and there was practically nothing on the economy, except a promise to conjure up many well-paid jobs. And give everyone an owl. [I made up the last bit, alas].0
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What no re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-spending of a bankers bonus tax on a new populist policy wheeze?0
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AndyJS said:
Is this another "whom are we governed for" moment?Casino_Royale said:Equal rights for the self-employed in Britain.
Don't ask me. I have no idea what he meant by that.AndyJS said:
Is this another "whom are we governed for" moment?Casino_Royale said:Equal rights for the self-employed in Britain.
I know I'm not objective, but I felt it was flat, dull and content light.
I was genuinely worried before the start it would be a barnstormer with one or two new headline grabbing policies.
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Why would he mention it? People would only be reminded who created it - and in such spectacular amounts as well.Gadfly said:John Rentoul @JohnRentoul 1m
Did EdM mention the deficit once? Money too tight to mention?
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@BBCNormanS: Hmmm. Not sure that Ed Miliband speech is going to change the political weather #lab140
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Yes the self employed will have the right to pay themselves more and sue themselves. Also any johnny foreigner (non-european) hired must have an apprenticeship created for an EC citizen. What could go wrong with that?TheWatcher said:'Labours plan for Britain's future'
What is it? After 80 mins of Ed it's still not clear.
Tax on fags and bankers to pay for insulation and doctors.
Surely there's more?
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No mention of nationalisation or the railways.0
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Well he made it rain in Manchester.Scott_P said:@BBCNormanS: Hmmm. Not sure that Ed Miliband speech is going to change the political weather #lab14
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@AdelDarwish: it looks like @Ed_Miliband has given up on attracting new voters or middle England, focus only on hard-core #labour ideologists & loony left
@JohnRentoul: Another Labour member texts to say they see more charisma in jacket potato.0 -
Wonderful speech by Ed. Send Justine around to get some measurements for new curtains at No.10.0
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Opportunity for Cameron to seize the English question, and the economy, and beat Miliband with it.
Do we have confirmation the mansion tax would be imposed on England, but not Scotland? And what about Wales?0 -
@DAaronovitch: It takes something to craft a 60 minute conference speech without a memorable line. Maybe it doesn't matter.0
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Faisal Islam:- "I'll sum it up in three words. CORE VOTE STRATEGY..."0
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I have not heard the speech, but from the sound of it on here Ed gave the worst one ever delivered.
On another note, I can't help thinking that Labour needs and deserves a good kicking from UKIP in the Heywood & Middleton by-election.0 -
I suspect that this speech may bring about a bucket of muck on Ed Milliband in the papers tomorrow.0
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As I predicted, Ed is quite deliberately trying to avoid committing to any policy whatsoever. That's actually quite sensible, at least in very short-term electoral terms, as any policy would be bound to alienate part of his support base, who support Labour precisely because they don't want any difficult decisions taken.
Even so, there are ways of saying nothing without making it so obvious.0 -
Anyone choosing to attend any party conference instead of going on holiday to Spain is certifiably insane.TheScreamingEagles said:Mike was invited to the Labour conference.
He decided to go to Spain instead.
I think he made the right choice.
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hucks67 said:
Wonderful speech by Ed. Send Justine around to get some measurements for new curtains at No.10.
Nice try - but they shouldn't waste money on any soft furnishings0 -
@IsabelHardman: V.quick: last 2 speeches excellent. This one not, retreating to comfort zone, anecdotes hindered and no sense of challenge that awaits.
The vox-pops with people coming out of the speech are hilarious0 -
I'm not arguing, just pointing out that a lot of punters don't worry about value, even big staking onesPeter_the_Punter said:
They'd want to know who and what you were, Isam, no?isam said:
I can't get anything on the internet or phone, but I'm not banned from all their shops!Peter_the_Punter said:
So how did he get on, Isam?isam said:
Probably, although you would be amazed at how many big punters take worse odds than betfairPeter_the_Punter said:Just listened to the interview with the punter who had 900,000 on No in the referendum, having missed the thread completely.
Don't know about anybody else, but he didn't pass the smell test as far as I was concerned. He took 1/4 about an outcome that was as big as 2/5 for a while; he used a Bookie, rather than Betfair, where there was ample liquidity available; he didn't sound or talk like a punter; and he got on for a mega-amount with a firm that regularly knocks back fifty pound punters.
We sure this wasn't just a Hills PR stunt?
Why would anyone, ever take bookie odds when betfair was better?? Mystifying
I can't get 900p on with Hills. Can you?
I guess if I wrote my name on the bankers draught for 900 large they would clock I was banned and not accept... But you'd just get a mate to put it on wouldn't you?
I'm afraid the whole 900k story whiffs a bit.
Could well be a Hillbilly ruse0 -
Quite. And he won't win with that.RodCrosby said:Faisal Islam:- "I'll sum it up in three words. CORE VOTE STRATEGY..."
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In all seriousness, I think we will see that come by the time of the GE. The unions want it, polling suggests on the surface it is popular, and the first attempt at some sort of state actors competing in the market sunk, so wouldn't surprise me if we see some sort of re-announcement that involves ability to gerrymander that could lead to nationalisation in they wanted it to.TheWatcher said:No mention of nationalisation or the railways.
Makes the unions happy, punters think it sounds good, and you can make it not too scary by fudging it slightly.0 -
He has got you worried then !oxfordsimon said:hucks67 said:Wonderful speech by Ed. Send Justine around to get some measurements for new curtains at No.10.
Nice try - but they shouldn't waste money on any soft furnishings
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@paulwaugh: Overheard. One Lab MP to another LabMP after EdM speech.:"Well, I can remember four of the six points.. "0
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It wasn't the worst speech I've heard. But nobody seems to be treating it like a programme for government. Ed didn't really sound like a man with a vision - the 10 year part didn't get going in that respect, although it did allow for some bolder pledges. Nor do the media, who are busy with Iraq, Syria, referendum fallout and so on. It was all rather pedestrian.0
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Obama must really like Ed Miliband...0
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Oh dear, one young delegate coming out cheering a new 1945 era of democratic socialism, Renationalisation of railways and a socialist future.
My word.0 -
@George_Osborne: Ed Miliband didn't mention the deficit once. Extraordinary. If you can't fix the economy you can't fund the NHS0
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We're seven months off the election. How long are they going to wait?FrancisUrquhart said:
In all seriousness, I think we will see that come by the time of the GE. The unions want it, polling suggests on the surface it is popular, and the first attempt at some sort of state actors competing in the market sunk, so wouldn't surprise me if we see some sort of re-announcement that involves ability to gerrymander that could lead to nationalisation in they wanted it to.TheWatcher said:No mention of nationalisation or the railways.
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No - he has got no-one other than his own side worried about their ability to pick a loser.hucks67 said:
He has got you worried then !oxfordsimon said:hucks67 said:Wonderful speech by Ed. Send Justine around to get some measurements for new curtains at No.10.
Nice try - but they shouldn't waste money on any soft furnishings
This speech, combined with the abject failure of the Labour campaign team in Scotland, shows how unlikely it is that Ed Miliband will lead our nation.
That was not the speech of a leader in waiting. It was a speech of someone with nothing to say. It was empty.0 -
The good news is that this time next year EdM will not be Labour leader.0
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Mr. Observer, 2011 might've been worse. Can't quite recall how bad that was. It was certainly worse than the last couple.
His delivery initially was dreadful, later on, shouting about everyone dying of plague under the Conservatives and how Labour loves the NHS, it was better.0 -
Can sum it up in less than that...35%RodCrosby said:Faisal Islam:- "I'll sum it up in three words. CORE VOTE STRATEGY..."
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Right, that's 2 hours of my life I'll never get back. I'm off to do some work.0
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After 4 years of talking about his blank sheet of paper, he's finally found it.
Yes, it's blank.
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