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  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 39,820
    edited May 2022

    He’s spot on.
    To some degree but I wouldn't want state control over ARM. It should only act as a preventative measure against a Chinese buyout.
  • MoonRabbitMoonRabbit Posts: 14,073
    edited May 2022
    Nigelb said:

    The BoE has limited operational independence.
    To call an institution wholly owned by government, and completely subject to directions from government 'independent', without serious qualification, is somewhere between misleading and plain wrong.
    You are wrong Nigel. in practise, government have little or no influence over the Bank’s monetary policy.

    https://www.economicshelp.org/blog/46/monetary-policy/the-mpc-and-setting-of-interest-rates-in-uk/

    Telegraph more than happy

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2022/05/08/nothing-wrong-bank-englands-mandate-just-needs-do-better/

    The guardian argues BoE needs even more political interference.

    https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/may/04/the-guardian-view-on-the-bank-of-england-independence-and-accountability

    The Tory government are not responsible for the inflation crisis, or the mistakes getting here so succinctly summed up by Tory Grandees in recent days.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 30,171
    MaxPB said:

    Yup, classic sign of covering up losses or fraud is being there before everyone arrives and after everyone leaves and not taking any holidays. One of the seniors who got embroiled in an investigation of one his reports for hiding losses said he spotted it from the holiday pattern as this person would still be working on UK bank holidays that didn't align to US public holidays.
    That would put me on the suspects list. I used to take one day a week off, so working only four days a week, for the second half of each year.
  • GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 22,203
    MaxPB said:

    To some degree but I wouldn't want state control over ARM. It should only act as a preventative measure against a Chinese buyout.
    Obvs.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 30,171
    ping said:

    Tom Tugendhat in the ft;

    https://www.ft.com/content/e90cd692-b3a3-4cb8-b9ea-ab47cd99424b

    Thinks the UK govt should buy a golden share and 25.1% of ARM to prevent Softbank taking it public on the Nasdaq.

    Germany has partial stakes in companies. There is no reason we could not, except it would become a political football with Tories selling and Labour buying more.
  • BlancheLivermoreBlancheLivermore Posts: 6,275

    @guyverhofstadt
    The weekend:

    Russia threw phosphor bombs on Azovstal bc Ukraine won Eurovision…

    The EU meanwhile remains blocked on the next round of sanctions trough veto’s and shipping interests.

    Such an EU is indefensible and intenable 🤯


    https://twitter.com/guyverhofstadt/status/1526174970342166529

    Has Boris given Guy a job?
  • nico679nico679 Posts: 6,277
    edited May 2022

    Have a look if you like - it's only 1250 pages.

    https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/948119/EU-UK_Trade_and_Cooperation_Agreement_24.12.2020.pdf

    At first glance my impression is that either party can complain and demand arbitration, but I don't see a reference to the Northern Ireland protocol per se.
    Its not mentioned specifically but the connection would fall under supplementing agreements , any bilateral agreement that the UK and EU have can fall under that.
  • FlatlanderFlatlander Posts: 4,918
    kyf_100 said:

    I honestly wish I could say it was a one off, but I could name half a dozen jobs either I or a friend has done that amounts to the same thing.

    Perhaps it is a symptom of being "in the middle", where the junior staff have loads to do (and are still learning, which takes time in itself) and the more senior staff are busy doing the actual important things.

    But I can name a frightening number of white collar jobs that either I've worked, or a friend has worked, where we've been paid to do the square root of bugger all, and the hardest part of the job was finding ways to pass the time.

    As I say, going looking for work in any of those jobs wasn't rewarded, so eventually I stopped.
    Replacing colleagues with a script never goes down that well...

    Just replace yourself with a script and go to the pub / golf course / Caribbean
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 39,820

    The government should butt out of WFH and if it has a problem with public sector productivity it needs to own it and deal with it.

    In reality it’s all a culture war for the benefit of oldies who last clocked in when flares were fashionable.

    I note that office occupancy in Manhattan and Central London are still at c. 60% of pre-pandemic norms and mass transit ridership at c. 70%. I don’t see that changing now.

    We’ll never go back to the old ways. That era is over.

    I think it will slowly creep up over time just from turnover and new contracts requiring some form of hybrid work. But unlikely to ever reach 100%.
  • MoonRabbitMoonRabbit Posts: 14,073

    You are wrong Nigel. in practise, government have little or no influence over the Bank’s monetary policy.

    https://www.economicshelp.org/blog/46/monetary-policy/the-mpc-and-setting-of-interest-rates-in-uk/

    Telegraph more than happy

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2022/05/08/nothing-wrong-bank-englands-mandate-just-needs-do-better/

    The guardian argues BoE needs even more political interference.

    https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/may/04/the-guardian-view-on-the-bank-of-england-independence-and-accountability

    The Tory government are not responsible for the inflation crisis, or the mistakes getting here so succinctly summed up by Tory Grandees in recent days.
    https://twitter.com/LiamFox/status/1526181283814055943?ref_src=twsrc^tfw|twcamp^tweetembed|twterm^1526181283814055943|twgr^|twcon^s1_&ref_url=https://www.theguardian.com/politics/live/2022/may/16/boris-johnson-northern-ireland-protocol-brexit-uk-politics-latest?page=with:block-62825d768f08a4303120bfbcfilterKeyEvents=false
  • GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 22,203
    MaxPB said:

    Our guy said months ago the scope for cross retaliation within the bounds of the treaty is extremely low, which is why the EU is talking up the suspension option rather than tariffs or measures that are in scope of the TCA because there isn't much available.

    The pretence is that the UK will override the protocol unilaterally on our side (we won't) and on the EU side it's that they will unilaterally suspend the TCA (they won't).

    A deal will be done and a temporary application of A16 will be agreed to ease community tensions or whatever wording they want to use while the trusted trader scheme is finalised and made operational.
    Yes.

    Further, the DUP will keep blocking the Executive until fresh elections; elections which they will not win. There won’t be a Unionist FM for some time now.

    And we’ll have to wait for a non-Boris, non-Tory government to get an agreement on equivalence.
  • NickPalmerNickPalmer Posts: 21,675

    This story, from more than ten years ago in the Washington Post, makes me think that the discussion here of best places to live is missing something important:

    A young single mother in DC was worried about her two boys, thinking that they would soon be old enough to be tempted by the gang culture of that city. So she decided to move to a safer place, a small town in . . . Montana.

    When she visited to check it out, she stopped at the local restaurant, which is often the social center in such towns, and was a little disturbed that a group of people seemed to be discussing her.

    She moved there anyway, and when she got to know some of the people, she asked them about that scene in the restaurant. They explained that, having seen an attractive, single black woman, they were trying to decide whether to call the single black guy in the area, and tell him to come in so he could meet her.

    The locals were match making, one of the favorite hobbies in small town America.

    So, for those discussing the best places to live in Britain, this question: Where are the best places in Britain to raise children?

    Interesting question to which I can imagine dozens of answers. It depends on your budget and what sort of people you hope the kids will grow into. But if you're an open-minded parent ready to accommodate different futures, perhaps outer London - close enough to both the bright lights and the countryside as to give a choice for different tastes, pretty peaceful, a choice of schools, GPs, etc., and moderately diverse in both cultural and ethnic senses.
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 39,820

    Yes.

    Further, the DUP will keep blocking the Executive until fresh elections; elections which they will not win. There won’t be a Unionist FM for some time now.

    And we’ll have to wait for a non-Boris, non-Tory government to get an agreement on equivalence.
    There's never going to be any agreement in equivalence, it's not within the gift of the UK government to grant and there's no way we ever sign up to dynamic alignment.

    All of our trade with the EU will be done within the scope of the TCA and that doesn't include equivalence.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 65,029
    Spurs look good for Champions league now
  • GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 22,203
    edited May 2022
    MaxPB said:

    There's never going to be any agreement in equivalence, it's not within the gift of the UK government to grant and there's no way we ever sign up to dynamic alignment.

    All of our trade with the EU will be done within the scope of the TCA and that doesn't include equivalence.
    I believe the EU could grant us similar equivalence on agricultural standards as they’ve done for NZ, but they will not do so to a Boris / Tory government.

    Said agreement does not require dynamic alignment.
  • kyf_100kyf_100 Posts: 4,955

    Replacing colleagues with a script never goes down that well...

    Just replace yourself with a script and go to the pub / golf course / Caribbean
    Yep, the old jacket on chair then down the cinema (or pub) Kinabalu mentions worked well. Until I realised if anyone questioned my absences, I could just say "I've been in a meeting with HR, it's confidential, I can't talk about it" and nobody would question it further. The pub did a brisk trade that year...
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 39,820

    I believe the EU could grant us similar equivalence on agricultural standards as they’ve done for NZ, but they will not do so to a Boris / Tory government.

    Said agreement does not require dynamic alignment.
    Unlikely, the EU isn't going to do us any favours. Our trade strategy needs to reflect this as well.
  • CookieCookie Posts: 14,815

    Interesting question to which I can imagine dozens of answers. It depends on your budget and what sort of people you hope the kids will grow into. But if you're an open-minded parent ready to accommodate different futures, perhaps outer London - close enough to both the bright lights and the countryside as to give a choice for different tastes, pretty peaceful, a choice of schools, GPs, etc., and moderately diverse in both cultural and ethnic senses.
    I grew up in the outer suburbs of Stockport. It was perfect. Never felt any need to be particularly streetwise, but also no end of opportunities for things to do. And when I did grow up and move away, I found myself more worldly than those who had grown up in small towns and villages, without really feeling I had had to strive to become so.
    My wife grew up in a small hamlet in Cheshire. It was idyllic up until the age of 11, then suffocating.
    Ability to reach other places without a car is a major plus if you are a child.
  • CookieCookie Posts: 14,815
    MaxPB said:

    I think it will slowly creep up over time just from turnover and new contracts requiring some form of hybrid work. But unlikely to ever reach 100%.
    In Britain's other big cities, though, public transport is not too far off pre-covid levels. I fully expect it to get back to and surpass 2019 levels.
  • Stark_DawningStark_Dawning Posts: 9,981
    I visited Torquay over the weekend, which I'd hitherto only encountered through Fawlty Towers. I was quite surprised how rough and down on its luck much of it felt. (Apologies to anyone who lives there.)
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 53,654
    Bank station new Northern line southbound platform (and associated tunnel) opened yesterday (a day early!). I took these shots today:

    https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?search=sunil060902+bank+2022&title=Special:MediaSearch&go=Go&type=image
  • carnforthcarnforth Posts: 5,695

    I visited Torquay over the weekend, which I'd hitherto only encountered through Fawlty Towers. I was quite surprised how rough and down on its luck much of it felt. (Apologies to anyone who lives there.)

    Paignton is worse. But it is where the steam train to Dartmouth begins. I hear Brixham is more pleasant.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 54,550

    I visited Torquay over the weekend, which I'd hitherto only encountered through Fawlty Towers. I was quite surprised how rough and down on its luck much of it felt. (Apologies to anyone who lives there.)

    To think, it had a branch of Chanel in the fifties.

    There's plenty of poverty in south Devon, in amongst.
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,939
    edited May 2022

    I visited Torquay over the weekend, which I'd hitherto only encountered through Fawlty Towers. I was quite surprised how rough and down on its luck much of it felt. (Apologies to anyone who lives there.)

    Herds of wildebeest sweeping majestically across the plain?
    I was underwhelmed by Torquay in 1979 tbh.
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,939
    edited May 2022

    Bank station new Northern line southbound platform (and associated tunnel) opened yesterday (a day early!). I took these shots today:

    https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?search=sunil060902+bank+2022&title=Special:MediaSearch&go=Go&type=image

    Levelling up?
  • GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 22,203
    Looks like the Ukrainians may finally be surrendering Azovstal.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 121,664
    This is a great result for Everton.

    Arsenal might be a bit meh on Sunday.

    Arsenal are a bit Spursy.
  • geoffwgeoffw Posts: 9,012
     

    Looks like the Ukrainians may finally be surrendering Azovstal.

    More national heroes there than the Alamo.

  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 30,171

    Bank station new Northern line southbound platform (and associated tunnel) opened yesterday (a day early!). I took these shots today:

    https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?search=sunil060902+bank+2022&title=Special:MediaSearch&go=Go&type=image

    I was watching on Youtube and the presenter ran into two other Youtubers also covering the opening.
  • GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 22,203
    edited May 2022
    geoffw said:

     

    More national heroes there than the Alamo.

    They have likely served their purpose.

    Russia has given up trying to trap Ukrainians in a cauldron between Izyum and the south and look how to be largely digging in to hold onto existing territory.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 54,550
    carnforth said:

    Paignton is worse. But it is where the steam train to Dartmouth begins. I hear Brixham is more pleasant.
    Brixham is on the up (although a place with a pirate festival can only rise so far...)

    The signs for forthcoming events with mediums and spiritualists tells you all you need to know about Paignton.
  • GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 22,203

    To think, it had a branch of Chanel in the fifties.

    There's plenty of poverty in south Devon, in amongst.
    “The English Riviera”
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 65,526
    HYUFD said:

    President Erdoğan confirms Turkey will veto Finland and Sweden's NATO applications.

    The first good news Putin has had in weeks

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/world-europe-61461805


    Ragıp Soylu
    @ragipsoylu
    Guys Erdogan still didn’t definitively say he would block Sweden and Finland’s accession to NATO.

    Still signalling. Underlying the sanctions. Beware.

    https://twitter.com/ragipsoylu/status/1526252741676482567
  • GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 22,203
    edited May 2022
    If Torquay wants to regenerate (a legitimate question, given the pathetic lack of ambition by local leaders in many places), the shortest and truest path is to become a foodie destination.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 127,038


    Ragıp Soylu
    @ragipsoylu
    Guys Erdogan still didn’t definitively say he would block Sweden and Finland’s accession to NATO.

    Still signalling. Underlying the sanctions. Beware.

    https://twitter.com/ragipsoylu/status/1526252741676482567
    It is all down to Swedish and Finnish support for Kurdish militants, unless that changes he will veto
  • TimSTimS Posts: 14,933

    They have likely served their purpose.

    Russia has given up trying to trap Ukrainians in a cauldron between Izyum and the south and look how to be largely digging in to hold onto existing territory.
    Ukraine could really do with taking back some decent territory in the South. It’s been sitting there fairly thinly covered by Russian troops for weeks but the action all seems to be to the North East. Winning back Kherson would be a good riposte to temporarily losing Mariupol.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 127,038
    edited May 2022

    To think, it had a branch of Chanel in the fifties.

    There's plenty of poverty in south Devon, in amongst.
    Certainly not in Salcombe though where the average house price is now £902,171 ie even higher than the average London house price let alone the UK average

    https://www.rightmove.co.uk/house-prices/salcombe.html
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,939

    This is a great result for Everton.

    Arsenal might be a bit meh on Sunday.

    Arsenal are a bit Spursy.

    Indeed it is. A point for Spurs at Norwich and it's all over.
    Mind you. We can sort it out with a win against Palace anyway.
    However, Moshiri's Muppets can't be relied on.
  • GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 22,203
    Sri Lanka has run out of petrol.
    Some riots happening; indiscriminate killing by police etc.
  • StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 9,764

    Utterly disgraceful and sadly not remotely surprising.

    There has been some real leadership in this issue from some EU nations but sadly not Germany or France who have been utterly atrocious. Stopping Nordstream 2 was the bare minimum that should have been done and at least it was, but beyond that they're backsliding badly.
    They only stopped nordstream 2 because the Americans pointed out how vulnerable it was to an accident
  • MattWMattW Posts: 26,629

    Have a look if you like - it's only 1250 pages.

    https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/948119/EU-UK_Trade_and_Cooperation_Agreement_24.12.2020.pdf

    At first glance my impression is that either party can complain and demand arbitration, but I don't see a reference to the Northern Ireland protocol per se.
    That's why I was asking for help :smile:

    I've read certain sections - especially the fishing ones etc. But I'm not up to the whole lot.
  • TimSTimS Posts: 14,933

    Sri Lanka has run out of petrol.
    Some riots happening; indiscriminate killing by police etc.

    I fear the developing world is about to have a pretty awful few months.
  • MoonRabbitMoonRabbit Posts: 14,073

    Bank station new Northern line southbound platform (and associated tunnel) opened yesterday (a day early!). I took these shots today:

    https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?search=sunil060902+bank+2022&title=Special:MediaSearch&go=Go&type=image

    Liz Hurley long gone.
  • MoonRabbitMoonRabbit Posts: 14,073

    Spurs look good for Champions league now

    And my bank balance looks good for a raid on the supermarkets tomorrow, stockpiling weetabix 🤫
  • MattWMattW Posts: 26,629
    edited May 2022
    Where's our Devonian Moth Correspondent when we need him to identify a butterfly?



    Calling @MarqueeMark .

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-61463365
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,939
    edited May 2022

    Brixham is on the up (although a place with a pirate festival can only rise so far...)

    The signs for forthcoming events with mediums and spiritualists tells you all you need to know about Paignton.
    What time's Clinton Baptiste on?
    I'm getting nonce.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 54,550
    carnforth said:

    Paignton is worse. But it is where the steam train to Dartmouth begins. I hear Brixham is more pleasant.
    Strictly speaking, the steam train to Kingswear, then a ferry across the Dart to Dartmouth.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 65,526
    LOL. BBC reporting that Putin is now getting involved in individual tactical decisions at the battlefield level.

    That should cheer the Ukrainians no end.
  • New thread
  • nico679nico679 Posts: 6,277
    MattW said:

    That's why I was asking for help :smile:

    I've read certain sections - especially the fishing ones etc. But I'm not up to the whole lot.
    Page 384 has the relevant section . Section 1, you’ll see note of other international agreements . It doesn’t mention the NI protocol but it would fall into that category . Then section 4 is the key bit regarding what you can do .
  • darkagedarkage Posts: 5,398
    WFH is a tricky one. I think that people do need to go back to the office because it isn't all that healthy to spend your life in a continuous bubble on video calls and never actually meeting people in real life. However, contrary to what Johnson is saying, I find it a lot more productive in terms of getting high quality work done because you can actually shut everything off and concentrate. I would go for about 1 or 2 days a week at home, the rest in the office, for me that would be the optimum.
  • Pagan2Pagan2 Posts: 10,795

    Exactly. We’ll trust the police. 🙂

    You know the meal wasn’t in the same room as the working?
    You trust the police most of the country thinks they are lying conniving shit bags
  • Pagan2Pagan2 Posts: 10,795
    Pagan2 said:

    You trust the police most of the country thinks they are lying conniving shit bags
    If I am burgaled and I have been if its not just stuff I want back of insurance. I do not even bother with the police I go talk to one of the criminal gangs and I get my stuff back because the police are a waste of time an energy
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 44,094

    The idea that people working from home will be as productive as folk working alongside colleagues (and managers) is obviously laughable - unless they are a novelist or poet.

    Whether the politics of pointing this out is smart, I don't know, but most people surely recognise this, even if they are enjoying the freedom and cost-savings of not commuting.

    Surprised this is even being debated TBH. But then the entitlement of some people, usually white-collared professionals with handsome pension provision, never ceases to amaze.

    What utter bollocks. I have worked from home for over 20 years and no-one is more productive.
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 44,094

    I'm unable to report facts or figures, I'm a newshound!

    I have a scoop - the cabinet office have not confirmed to me the price or colour of Boris Johnson's pants and whether they are tax payer funded
    Bet they are or are free from some bloodsucking grifting chum.
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 44,094

    He’s spot on.
    Thick as mince though
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