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But -seriously - I don't know, haven't looked. Would the DT bother reporting, I wonder?Richard_Nabavi said:Presumably Alex Salmond and Nicola Sturgeon, as well as all the SNP bloggers and cheerleaders, have dissociated themselves from the lunatic menaces of Jim Sillars in the strongest possible terms?
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Not so sure that will actually pan out in practice. Mr and Mrs Smith of Basingstoke are not going to accept lightly a bunch of foreigners minus 18 months telling them what to do as of this Friday if it's a yes. Scottish MP's authority will be in mighty short supply in rUK as soon as a Yes is confirmed. And in fairness vice versa in Scotland.Charles said:
Didn't spell it out, but the Scottish MPs would only be in place from GE15 - iDay. During that time they should get a saymanofkent2014 said:
I'm not sure there is any justification for allowing Scottish MPs to vote on anything after an independence vote. After all would the government continue to use Scottish resources (e.g. the Scottish Divisions of The Army) on UK issues? Surely anything that was bound up with Scotland would be wholly involved in transitioning and therefore subject to the scrutiny of the British Government in direct negotiation with Scottish Government. Scottish MPs would effectively be surplus to requirements other than in addressing any transitional issues for their constituents?0 -
Oooooh. Touchy? Answer this then based on your response then why don't the British Government turn around and say exactly the same to the hypocrites in the SNP whatever the result of the referendum then?malcolmg said:
Don't talk bollocks , they can load their wheelbarrows and F Off if they wantmanofkent2014 said:
So its OK for Scots to say they don't want to stay British and secede from the Union but its not alright for Scots to secede from your vision of Scotland if they wanted to remain part of the Union?malcolmg said:
Cuckoo, CuckooTGOHF said:Given the borders are strong "NO" - Cameron should offer any region that votes "NO" can remain in the rUk should they wish to.
Only fair right ?
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It really is hard to believe the collection of nutjobs on here, the scope of nuttery is quite breathtaking. A virtual asylum.0
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Quite.
I'm about to ask a few hundred US what they think about SIndy. We normally talk about TV shows, but often stray into crime/politics etc during quiet moments. We had a super dicussion about Sundown Towns a couple of weeks ago [places where blacks weren't allowed out after sunset].
They were appalled at Rotherham. And nothing even remotely similar to compare it with.
I'll report back what Average Sofa Person from across the pond thinks about it all.welshowl said:
Not the point. It's "brand Scotland" that's going up in flames before your eyes. Centuries of the impression somewhat austere probity are the bedrock of the safety and security that people associate with Scottish financial institutions which is why people put their money there. Now hot on the heels of RBS HBoS etc our screens are being filled with swivel eyed fantasies ( as we see it down here - and the perception we have is all that matters in this context), peddled by either delusional or innumerate political leaders.Alistair said:
He's a former deputy leader of the SNP - he had a massive falling out with Alex Salmond and has spent the last couple of decades criticising everything Salmond has done.Stark_Dawning said:The utterances of this Sillars character are shocking in the extreme. Who or what the hell is he? Lunatics like that will turn Scotland into a pariah state. Salmond must distance himself and the SNP from such ravings. He should make a statement that Sillars represents only a lunatic fringe within nationalism and that most fair-minded nationalist folk abhor and condemn his comments.
This has already done damage.0 -
Carnyx, he might be able to, though I suspect that large chunks of Labour and Lib Dems would baulk, if he had the guts to try. Given that Cameron has courage in the way snakes have hips I am not convinced he would even try (also Samantha might not like it).Carnyx said:
Serious question, why should he not be able to get it through pmt given the reasons Mr Charles adduces?HurstLlama said:
Good plan, Mr. Charles, and very sensible. Now, tell us, do you think Cameron would ever have the courage in bring in such a bill and fight it through Parliament to get it enacted?Charles said:
They would have an incentive to string out negotiations beyond the May 2016 date Salmond has set.Plato said:I thought Mr Hodges point here was a real humdinger.
HurstLlama said:
The Parliament would have legitimacy, whether any government formed as a result of the GE would have is another matter. For example, imagine a Labour government whose majority is smaller than its number of Scottish MPs.Beverley_C said:If Scotland goes YES, will the May 2015 election still go ahead? Would a parliament where 10% of the candidates where going to depart in May 2016 be anything other than a lame duck?
Would such a parliament have any legitimacy?
I'm sure he would accept it ("in the interests of an orderly transition") in return for material concessions on the substantive matters.
Hence a Labour government in this position would have a direct conflict of interests and would not be able to negotiate an optimal outcome for rUK.
This is a very good example of why, immediately following a vote, there should be an Act (ie in 2014):
- devolving all domestic powers (including financial) to Holyrood
- fixing a cash lump sum transfer to iScot for the 2015/16 budget for all these domestic matters (ie ending the Barnett formula and meaning that Scottish MPs have no interest in rUK money bills)
- limiting the voting rights of Scottish MPs to a very limited set of truly UK wide issues (eg defence/foreign affairs)
- providing that in GE2015 there will be no Scottish MPs elected but that Holyrood will appoint 58 representatives (with the limited powers above) in proportion to the votes cast for parties at the last Holyrood elections (ie 2011)
Even Mr Charles, a High Tory in the good meaning of the phrase, is unconvinced that Cameron would actually have the courage to do something.0 -
There's an Ilford Road station, but not been there! I say that as a long term resident of the real Ilford, down southPlato said:As a Geordie, I love Hadrian's Wall. And the council in Wallsend who have the great humour to have signs in Latin.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wallsend_Metro_station
The Byker Wall really isn't playing in the same league.Carnyx said:
Part of it actually goes along a street just north of Newcastle Central station! The western end is rather closer, though.SimonStClare said:
Not entirely sure Mr Carnyx - I remember walking a large chunk of it in my childhood, stunning scenery but rather bleak imr - and always forget how 'south' it actually is.Carnyx said:
That wouldn't even reach Berwick, would it?SimonStClare said:
Would it not be simpler to just move Hadrian’s Wall 50 miles north. ; )TGOHF said:Given the borders are strong "NO" - Cameron should offer any region that votes "NO" can remain in the rUk should they wish to.
Only fair right ?
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The underlying assets of nominally Scottish-based pension funds will be overwhelmingly in FTSE (i.e. London-domiciled) companies.SeanT said:
If I had any money in Scottish banks or pension funds I would move it now, if I could. Why take the risk?
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Look on the bright side BaJ you can sell your 2 bedroomed flat in London and buy Ayrshire.__Bobajob__ said:
Arf. The high water mark of Malcisms todaymalcolmg said:
Don't talk bollocks , they can load their wheelbarrows and F Off if they wantmanofkent2014 said:
So its OK for Scots to say they don't want to stay British and secede from the Union but its not alright for Scots to secede from your vision of Scotland if they wanted to remain part of the Union?malcolmg said:
Cuckoo, CuckooTGOHF said:Given the borders are strong "NO" - Cameron should offer any region that votes "NO" can remain in the rUk should they wish to.
Only fair right ?0 -
this your average BT person , vicious thugs
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Salmond must expel Sillars from the SNP. Otherwise his utterances will be an albatross around Salmond's neck, all the while inflicting trepidation and resentment in the world of commerce. There'll be enough crippling financial flight from a separated Scotland as it is without more being scared witless by SNP mavericks. I don't want Scotland to become some sort of second-world basket case, but it's on the verge of looking inevitable.0
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Agre on pension funds - they will be fine.No_Offence_Alan said:
The underlying assets of nominally Scottish-based pension funds will be overwhelmingly in FTSE (i.e. London-domiciled) companies.SeanT said:
If I had any money in Scottish banks or pension funds I would move it now, if I could. Why take the risk?
Wont just be cross border transfers from RBS and Lloyds though - savers south of the border will want to move to a non Scottish bank - the £85k assurance will no longer be in place in the central bank free zone north of Berwick.
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What you want the British Government to chuck the SNP out of Scotland. Is this their new plan a pogram, gulags , etc.manofkent2014 said:
Oooooh. Touchy? Answer this then based on your response then why don't the British Government turn around and say exactly the same to the hypocrites in the SNP whatever the result of the referendum then?malcolmg said:
Don't talk bollocks , they can load their wheelbarrows and F Off if they wantmanofkent2014 said:
So its OK for Scots to say they don't want to stay British and secede from the Union but its not alright for Scots to secede from your vision of Scotland if they wanted to remain part of the Union?malcolmg said:
Cuckoo, CuckooTGOHF said:Given the borders are strong "NO" - Cameron should offer any region that votes "NO" can remain in the rUk should they wish to.
Only fair right ?0 -
It's a psychological watershed.
Whatever the legal niceties, if Scotland votes Yes - it's straight to enemy territory.
It's like announcing getting divorced. Once the words have been uttered, all bets are off whatever who owns what. It's a land grab.
Trench warfare, unless you're very fortunate.welshowl said:
Not so sure that will actually pan out in practice. Mr and Mrs Smith of Basingstoke are not going to accept lightly a bunch of foreigners minus 18 months telling them what to do as of this Friday if it's a yes. Scottish MP's authority will be in mighty short supply in rUK as soon as a Yes is confirmed. And in fairness vice versa in Scotland.Charles said:
Didn't spell it out, but the Scottish MPs would only be in place from GE15 - iDay. During that time they should get a saymanofkent2014 said:
I'm not sure there is any justification for allowing Scottish MPs to vote on anything after an independence vote. After all would the government continue to use Scottish resources (e.g. the Scottish Divisions of The Army) on UK issues? Surely anything that was bound up with Scotland would be wholly involved in transitioning and therefore subject to the scrutiny of the British Government in direct negotiation with Scottish Government. Scottish MPs would effectively be surplus to requirements other than in addressing any transitional issues for their constituents?0 -
I don't get it? I mean a line graph of the opinion polls over the last 6 months of so...__Bobajob__ said:
What the breathless blathering from the PB Tories not enough for you ISam?isam said:A graph of the yes and no lines in the indyref would be nice
I'm not one for categories like PB this or that, or liblabcon really.
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My gut feeling is that you haven't a scooby.hamiltonace said:
My gut feeling is that the vote is still going 55/45 No/Yes and not sure this poll says anything different.
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I think you might be exaggerating just a teensy little bit.Stark_Dawning said:Salmond must expel Sillars from the SNP. Otherwise his utterances will be an albatross around Salmond's neck, all the while inflicting trepidation and resentment in the world of commerce. There'll be enough crippling financial flight from a separated Scotland as it is without more being scared witless by SNP mavericks. I don't want Scotland to become some sort of second-world basket case, but it's on the verge of looking inevitable.
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Very moving to see Reenas parents speaking so humbly after the trial, would have been easy to be full of hate and vengeance.
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SeanT said:
If I had any money in Scottish banks or pension funds I would move it now, if I could. Why take the risk?
Why don't you transfer a chunk of money to RBS and then move it a couple of days later? We need a futile gesture at this stage.0 -
Thanks. Of course it would be tricky. I had forgotten that you'd need a 2/3 majority to change the electoral legislation in the way described would you not?HurstLlama said:
Carnyx, he might be able to, though I suspect that large chunks of Labour and Lib Dems would baulk, if he had the guts to try. Given that Cameron has courage in the way snakes have hips I am not convinced he would even try (also Samantha might not like it).Carnyx said:
Serious question, why should he not be able to get it through pmt given the reasons Mr Charles adduces?HurstLlama said:
Good plan, Mr. Charles, and very sensible. Now, tell us, do you think Cameron would ever have the courage in bring in such a bill and fight it through Parliament to get it enacted?Charles said:[snipped]
They would have an incentive to string out negotiations beyond the May 2016 date Salmond has set.
I'm sure he would accept it ("in the interests of an orderly transition") in return for material concessions on the substantive matters.
Hence a Labour government in this position would have a direct conflict of interests and would not be able to negotiate an optimal outcome for rUK.
This is a very good example of why, immediately following a vote, there should be an Act (ie in 2014):
- devolving all domestic powers (including financial) to Holyrood
- fixing a cash lump sum transfer to iScot for the 2015/16 budget for all these domestic matters (ie ending the Barnett formula and meaning that Scottish MPs have no interest in rUK money bills)
- limiting the voting rights of Scottish MPs to a very limited set of truly UK wide issues (eg defence/foreign affairs)
- providing that in GE2015 there will be no Scottish MPs elected but that Holyrood will appoint 58 representatives (with the limited powers above) in proportion to the votes cast for parties at the last Holyrood elections (ie 2011)
Even Mr Charles, a High Tory in the good meaning of the phrase, is unconvinced that Cameron would actually have the courage to do something.
BTW some snakes do have hips, even if one ignores the usual fossil "missing links". If one gets up and intimate with a python and examines its intimate parts, one will see a couple of very vestigial thighbones, which are attached internally to small pelvic girdle bones. So there is hope ...
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What were people saying? I was disappointed he was found not guilty of murder. Regardless of who it was, he shot.isam said:Very moving to see Reenas parents speaking so humbly after the trial, would have been easy to be full of hate and vengeance.
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Don't worry Malc - at least we keep you entertained. One hot headed young lad in The Times announced he was prepared to take up arms to defend English interests and that was in our most respected broadsheet.malcolmg said:It really is hard to believe the collection of nutjobs on here, the scope of nuttery is quite breathtaking. A virtual asylum.
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I knew it well!
The Metro is scummy nowadays. For at least ten yrs it was lovely. People valued it, didn't ignore the No Smoking signs and never graffitied the stations.
The last time I was back [2008ish] it was slovenly. I didn't want to sit down.Sunil_Prasannan said:
There's an Ilford Road station, but not been there! I say that as a long term resident of the real Ilford, down southPlato said:As a Geordie, I love Hadrian's Wall. And the council in Wallsend who have the great humour to have signs in Latin.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wallsend_Metro_station
The Byker Wall really isn't playing in the same league.Carnyx said:
Part of it actually goes along a street just north of Newcastle Central station! The western end is rather closer, though.SimonStClare said:
Not entirely sure Mr Carnyx - I remember walking a large chunk of it in my childhood, stunning scenery but rather bleak imr - and always forget how 'south' it actually is.Carnyx said:
That wouldn't even reach Berwick, would it?SimonStClare said:
Would it not be simpler to just move Hadrian’s Wall 50 miles north. ; )TGOHF said:Given the borders are strong "NO" - Cameron should offer any region that votes "NO" can remain in the rUk should they wish to.
Only fair right ?0 -
Who'd be the leader of a political protest party?
Michael Deacon@MichaelPDeacon·1 hr
Young woman at Glasgow Airport walks past Nigel Farage, then does double-take. "Whoa!" she cries to her boyfriend. "It's that twat!"0 -
Don't worry, that's a compliment!Scrapheap_as_was said:Who'd been the leader of a political protest party?
Michael Deacon@MichaelPDeacon·1 hr
Young woman at Glasgow Airport walks past Nigel Farage, then does double-take. "Whoa!" she cries to her boyfriend. "It's that twat!"0 -
What were they most scared of as a repercussion?RodCrosby said:
Make of this what you will...
Was talking about the referendum with a Slovak acquaintance over the weekend. (no idiot, a Physics PhD and ex-MP in his 50s)
He told me people in Eastern Europe were "terrified" of a YES vote, the Russians were looking on with glee, and that the SNP must be their agents or dupes...0 -
Slovakia's GDP growth is.... 2.5%. Soaring?? That's slower than the UK.SeanT said:
And look how that has turned out Slovakia booming , GDP soaring , Czech's stagnant and moribund. All the crap will move south and we will get real businesses.malcolmg said:
Surely electronic transfers mean that this wouldn't be an issue - unless you are suggesting a bank run next Friday and deposits are frozen ?TGOHF said:
Like I said, during the Czech/Slovak "velvet divorce" they had to literally seal the border, with armed guards, to prevent Slovaks smuggling their cash into the Czech republic. Thereafter the Slovak economy crashed by 4% in a year.SeanT said:welshowl said:Plato said:Swinney is totally off the reservation. If it wasn't so serious, I'd rolling in the aisles of Next and B&Q, and M&S. telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/scottish-independence/11091801/Big-business-warned-of-day-of-reckoning-if-Scots-vote-Yes.html?fb
New ss.
Std Life if you are reading this get the money south 8.30 on Friday morning if it's a yes. In fact better still do it now and don't bother sending it back.
If I had any money in Scottish banks or pension funds I would move it now, if I could. Why take the risk?
http://www.tradingeconomics.com/slovakia/gdp-growth-annual
Meanwhile Czech GDP per capita is $18,700
Slovakian GDP per capita is $16,900
So Czechia is noticeably richer.
And, unlike Scotland, Slovakia didn't have a finance sector which comprised about 8% of its economy, which would have moved to Prague after the divorce, had it existed.
As someone downthread noted, the Scots are trashing their painstakingly-built brand: as a solid, reliable, sober place to put money. It's suicidal. Ach, store your money with us, we have nae fecking idea what currency we'll be using next Friday. Burp.
Just crazy. Never seen a country do this. And all of it in the eyes of the world.
Who on earth do you think is looking on at this, and thinking, hmmm, yes, that there Scotland looks like a nice, welcoming, stable place to invest.
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Slovakia's GDP growth is.... 2.5%. Soaring?? That's slower than the UK.SeanT said:
And look how that has turned out Slovakia booming , GDP soaring , Czech's stagnant and moribund. All the crap will move south and we will get real businesses.malcolmg said:
Surely electronic transfers mean that this wouldn't be an issue - unless you are suggesting a bank run next Friday and deposits are frozen ?TGOHF said:
Like I said, during the Czech/Slovak "velvet divorce" they had to literally seal the border, with armed guards, to prevent Slovaks smuggling their cash into the Czech republic. Thereafter the Slovak economy crashed by 4% in a year.SeanT said:welshowl said:Plato said:Swinney is totally off the reservation. If it wasn't so serious, I'd rolling in the aisles of Next and B&Q, and M&S. telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/scottish-independence/11091801/Big-business-warned-of-day-of-reckoning-if-Scots-vote-Yes.html?fb
New ss.
Std Life if you are reading this get the money south 8.30 on Friday morning if it's a yes. In fact better still do it now and don't bother sending it back.
If I had any money in Scottish banks or pension funds I would move it now, if I could. Why take the risk?
http://www.tradingeconomics.com/slovakia/gdp-growth-annual
Meanwhile Czech GDP per capita is $18,700
Slovakian GDP per capita is $16,900
So Czechia is noticeably richer.
And, unlike Scotland, Slovakia didn't have a finance sector which comprised about 8% of its economy, which would have moved to Prague after the divorce, had it existed.
As someone downthread noted, the Scots are trashing their painstakingly-built brand: as a solid, reliable, sober place to put money. It's suicidal. Ach, store your money with us, we have nae fecking idea what currency we'll be using next Friday. Burp.
Just crazy. Never seen a country do this. And all of it in the eyes of the world.
Who on earth do you think is looking on at this, and thinking, hmmm, yes, that there Scotland looks like a nice, welcoming, stable place to invest.
And all because a minority of people want to bugger it all up!0 -
Slovakia's GDP growth is.... 2.5%. Soaring?? That's slower than the UK.SeanT said:
And look how that has turned out Slovakia booming , GDP soaring , Czech's stagnant and moribund. All the crap will move south and we will get real businesses.malcolmg said:
Surely electronic transfers mean that this wouldn't be an issue - unless you are suggesting a bank run next Friday and deposits are frozen ?TGOHF said:
Like I said, during the Czech/Slovak "velvet divorce" they had to literally seal the border, with armed guards, to prevent Slovaks smuggling their cash into the Czech republic. Thereafter the Slovak economy crashed by 4% in a year.SeanT said:welshowl said:Plato said:Swinney is totally off the reservation. If it wasn't so serious, I'd rolling in the aisles of Next and B&Q, and M&S. telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/scottish-independence/11091801/Big-business-warned-of-day-of-reckoning-if-Scots-vote-Yes.html?fb
New ss.
Std Life if you are reading this get the money south 8.30 on Friday morning if it's a yes. In fact better still do it now and don't bother sending it back.
If I had any money in Scottish banks or pension funds I would move it now, if I could. Why take the risk?
http://www.tradingeconomics.com/slovakia/gdp-growth-annual
Meanwhile Czech GDP per capita is $18,700
Slovakian GDP per capita is $16,900
So Czechia is noticeably richer.
And, unlike Scotland, Slovakia didn't have a finance sector which comprised about 8% of its economy, which would have moved to Prague after the divorce, had it existed.
As someone downthread noted, the Scots are trashing their painstakingly-built brand: as a solid, reliable, sober place to put money. It's suicidal. Ach, store your money with us, we have nae fecking idea what currency we'll be using next Friday. Burp.
Just crazy. Never seen a country do this. And all of it in the eyes of the world.
Who on earth do you think is looking on at this, and thinking, hmmm, yes, that there Scotland looks like a nice, welcoming, stable place to invest.
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This is a disaster! The SNP have actually been billing a Sillars/Salmond reunion as an event of profound significance:
http://www.heraldscotland.com/politics/referendum-news/sketch-how-salmond-and-sillars-joined-forces-at-the-margomobile.1410350667
It's now impossible to dismiss Sillars-gate as the unfortunate ravings of a maverick.0 -
Miss Plato, a Northern Irish friend of mine is deeply worried about what'll happen there if Yes wins.0
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Noticed this the other day. They seem to do updates. Any good?isam said:
I don't get it? I mean a line graph of the opinion polls over the last 6 months of so...__Bobajob__ said:
What the breathless blathering from the PB Tories not enough for you ISam?isam said:A graph of the yes and no lines in the indyref would be nice
I'm not one for categories like PB this or that, or liblabcon really.
twitter.com/ScotCen/status/510408250509234176/photo/1
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Imagine this scenario if you will:SeanT said:
Who on earth do you think is looking on at this, and thinking, hmmm, yes, that there Scotland looks like a nice, welcoming, stable place to invest.
Scotland leaves in 2016, rUK leaves EU in 2017, all those Investment Banks reported to be looking at moving to Dublin decide that Edinburgh is a better city to be based in!
Ta da!0 -
He or she should relax - it's hardly likely to get much worse.Morris_Dancer said:Miss Plato, a Northern Irish friend of mine is deeply worried about what'll happen there if Yes wins.
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Haven't heard of the herd in a while!Theuniondivvie said:
14 posts and it's the PB 'we'.AggieD said:
That's why we love you on PB. It takes one to know one.malcolmg said:It really is hard to believe the collection of nutjobs on here, the scope of nuttery is quite breathtaking. A virtual asylum.
We Are the Herd. You Will be Assimilated. Resistance is Futile.0 -
Iirc AggieD has been lurking for many years. And you dont have to be assimilated to love malcolmg, you just need to be able to appreciate a master at work.Theuniondivvie said:
14 posts and it's the PB 'we'.AggieD said:
That's why we love you on PB. It takes one to know one.malcolmg said:It really is hard to believe the collection of nutjobs on here, the scope of nuttery is quite breathtaking. A virtual asylum.
We Are the Herd. You Will be Assimilated. Resistance is Futile.
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That's exactly what some people are talking about. And one wonders why the No campaign have gone so quiet on the EU.Neil said:
Imagine this scenario if you will:SeanT said:
Who on earth do you think is looking on at this, and thinking, hmmm, yes, that there Scotland looks like a nice, welcoming, stable place to invest.
Scotland leaves in 2016, rUK leaves EU in 2017, all those Investment Banks reported to be looking at moving to Dublin decide that Edinburgh is a better city to be based in!
Ta da!
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Surely they will lose out to Caracus or Tirana ?Neil said:
Imagine this scenario if you will:SeanT said:
Who on earth do you think is looking on at this, and thinking, hmmm, yes, that there Scotland looks like a nice, welcoming, stable place to invest.
Scotland leaves in 2016, rUK leaves EU in 2017, all those Investment Banks reported to be looking at moving to Dublin decide that Edinburgh is a better city to be based in!
Ta da!
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An absolutely disgusting joke from one of the moderators yesterday morning . Doesn't bear repeatingRobD said:
What were people saying? I was disappointed he was found not guilty of murder. Regardless of who it was, he shot.isam said:Very moving to see Reenas parents speaking so humbly after the trial, would have been easy to be full of hate and vengeance.
Hope they don't read this site though
Well I'm inclined to think he got away with it, seems incredibly unlikely he didn't mean it, but what do I know?0 -
His view was that Eastern Europe looks to a strong UK as the only European country prepared to stand up to (expansionist) Russia.Plato said:What were they most scared of as a repercussion?
RodCrosby said:Make of this what you will...
Was talking about the referendum with a Slovak acquaintance over the weekend. (no idiot, a Physics PhD and ex-MP in his 50s)
He told me people in Eastern Europe were "terrified" of a YES vote, the Russians were looking on with glee, and that the SNP must be their agents or dupes...
A weaker UK is therefore bad news for those who are threatened by Russia.0 -
Tbf I was taking the p*ss a little. But, yes, the uncertainty issues being thrown by some at the 'yes' campaign apply equally to those advocating a referendum on the EU and there is something of an intersection there.Carnyx said:
That's exactly what some people are talking about. And one wonders why the No campaign have gone so quiet on the EU.Neil said:
Imagine this scenario if you will:SeanT said:
Who on earth do you think is looking on at this, and thinking, hmmm, yes, that there Scotland looks like a nice, welcoming, stable place to invest.
Scotland leaves in 2016, rUK leaves EU in 2017, all those Investment Banks reported to be looking at moving to Dublin decide that Edinburgh is a better city to be based in!
Ta da!0 -
I am reminded that 19th September is International Speak Like a Pirate Day. Might be more apt than usual this year.0
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The Spectator (@spectator)
12/09/2014 18:07
Blog — Former Newsnight hack slams Beeb’s referendum ‘propaganda’ bit.ly/1rUmoWo by @MrSteerpike0 -
Chuckling at the thought of an investment bank wanting to move to socialist anti business Scotland which threatened to default on it's debts.SeanT said:
If Scotland votes YES there will be no EU referendum in 2017, whoever wins, as we will still be sorting our own divorce, and our own politics will be in total chaos. Besides, I reckon an EU ref in 2017 would be won by IN.Neil said:
Imagine this scenario if you will:SeanT said:
Who on earth do you think is looking on at this, and thinking, hmmm, yes, that there Scotland looks like a nice, welcoming, stable place to invest.
Scotland leaves in 2016, rUK leaves EU in 2017, all those Investment Banks reported to be looking at moving to Dublin decide that Edinburgh is a better city to be based in!
Ta da!
However in the long run, a Scottish YES does make a FUK exit much more likely, probably under a Tory-UKIP Coalition, a few years after Scotland has gone.
2019? 2022?
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They've laced the cooking sherry with LSD today Malcolm0
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blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/iainmartin1/100286216/the-nationalist-pied-piper-plan-to-march-voters-to-the-polling-booths-next-week-is-deeply-sinister/Plato said:I wish I didn't feel this was possible, nevermind likely. Yessers have totally lost the plot when it comes to democracy. Intimidation, threats and now this on polling day.
I'm appalled. It's Venezuelan politics.For very good reasons, Britain's political parties do not campaign on election day. By that point everyone has had their say, the rallies and the shouting must stop. Between the opening and closing of the polling stations, voters can get on with casting their vote in peace, unimpeded by noisy displays of partisan politicking.
I don't know about the proposed march, which agree sounds a bit iffy, but Iain Martin is simply wrong about parties not campaigning on election day. Perhaps he's never lived in a marginal seat? Four leaflet deliveries during the day, repeated knock-ups for recalcitrant voters (in the first election I was involved in, I was sent to knock up someone who'd been reminded 9 times already), loudspeaker cars touring all day, blizzards of phone calls all evening. Until you've got voters sprinting down the road after the final knock-up to make the polls before 10pm, you haven't lived :-).The BBC may fall silent, but the parties absolutely don't.
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and wants to nationalise industries and break up banks!TGOHF said:
Chuckling at the thought of an investment bank wanting to move to socialist anti business Scotland which threatened to default on it's debts.SeanT said:
If Scotland votes YES there will be no EU referendum in 2017, whoever wins, as we will still be sorting our own divorce, and our own politics will be in total chaos. Besides, I reckon an EU ref in 2017 would be won by IN.Neil said:
Imagine this scenario if you will:SeanT said:
Who on earth do you think is looking on at this, and thinking, hmmm, yes, that there Scotland looks like a nice, welcoming, stable place to invest.
Scotland leaves in 2016, rUK leaves EU in 2017, all those Investment Banks reported to be looking at moving to Dublin decide that Edinburgh is a better city to be based in!
Ta da!
However in the long run, a Scottish YES does make a FUK exit much more likely, probably under a Tory-UKIP Coalition, a few years after Scotland has gone.
2019? 2022?0 -
The herd , a bit like of the old unreformed House of Lords has a number of backwoodsmen who only turn out at crucial times.0
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The return of some of herdiest of the herd made me come over all nostalgic.RobD said:
Haven't heard of the herd in a while!Theuniondivvie said:
14 posts and it's the PB 'we'.AggieD said:
That's why we love you on PB. It takes one to know one.malcolmg said:It really is hard to believe the collection of nutjobs on here, the scope of nuttery is quite breathtaking. A virtual asylum.
We Are the Herd. You Will be Assimilated. Resistance is Futile.0 -
I don't know about the proposed march, which agree sounds a bit iffy, but Iain Martin is simply wrong about parties not campaigning on election day. Perhaps he's never lived in a marginal seat? Four leaflet deliveries during the day, repeated knock-ups for recalcitrant voters (in the first election I was involved in, I was sent to knock up someone who'd been reminded 9 times already), loudspeaker cars touring all day, blizzards of phone calls all evening. Until you've got voters sprinting down the road after the final knock-up to make the polls before 10pm, you haven't lived :-).The BBC may fall silent, but the parties absolutely don't.NickPalmer said:
blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/iainmartin1/100286216/the-nationalist-pied-piper-plan-to-march-voters-to-the-polling-booths-next-week-is-deeply-sinister/Plato said:I wish I didn't feel this was possible, nevermind likely. Yessers have totally lost the plot when it comes to democracy. Intimidation, threats and now this on polling day.
I'm appalled. It's Venezuelan politics.For very good reasons, Britain's political parties do not campaign on election day. By that point everyone has had their say, the rallies and the shouting must stop. Between the opening and closing of the polling stations, voters can get on with casting their vote in peace, unimpeded by noisy displays of partisan politicking.
You don't march people to the polling booths, do you?0 -
We never went away you know.Theuniondivvie said:
The return of some of herdiest of the herd made me come over all nostalgic.RobD said:
Haven't heard of the herd in a while!Theuniondivvie said:
14 posts and it's the PB 'we'.AggieD said:
That's why we love you on PB. It takes one to know one.malcolmg said:It really is hard to believe the collection of nutjobs on here, the scope of nuttery is quite breathtaking. A virtual asylum.
We Are the Herd. You Will be Assimilated. Resistance is Futile.
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You don't march people to the polling booths, do you?RobD said:
I don't know about the proposed march, which agree sounds a bit iffy, but Iain Martin is simply wrong about parties not campaigning on election day. Perhaps he's never lived in a marginal seat? Four leaflet deliveries during the day, repeated knock-ups for recalcitrant voters (in the first election I was involved in, I was sent to knock up someone who'd been reminded 9 times already), loudspeaker cars touring all day, blizzards of phone calls all evening. Until you've got voters sprinting down the road after the final knock-up to make the polls before 10pm, you haven't lived :-).The BBC may fall silent, but the parties absolutely don't.NickPalmer said:
blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/iainmartin1/100286216/the-nationalist-pied-piper-plan-to-march-voters-to-the-polling-booths-next-week-is-deeply-sinister/Plato said:I wish I didn't feel this was possible, nevermind likely. Yessers have totally lost the plot when it comes to democracy. Intimidation, threats and now this on polling day.
I'm appalled. It's Venezuelan politics.For very good reasons, Britain's political parties do not campaign on election day. By that point everyone has had their say, the rallies and the shouting must stop. Between the opening and closing of the polling stations, voters can get on with casting their vote in peace, unimpeded by noisy displays of partisan politicking.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Compulsory_voting0 -
Mason is right. I'm for No but we were talking in the office the other day about the ludicrous bias from the Beeb on this matter. The cherry picking is almost worthy of Scott "Tweetbot" P.isam said:The Spectator (@spectator)
12/09/2014 18:07
Blog — Former Newsnight hack slams Beeb’s referendum ‘propaganda’ bit.ly/1rUmoWo by @MrSteerpike
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Being discreet about it isn't herd 'classic' though.Neil said:
We never went away you know.Theuniondivvie said:
The return of some of herdiest of the herd made me come over all nostalgic.RobD said:
Haven't heard of the herd in a while!Theuniondivvie said:
14 posts and it's the PB 'we'.AggieD said:
That's why we love you on PB. It takes one to know one.malcolmg said:It really is hard to believe the collection of nutjobs on here, the scope of nuttery is quite breathtaking. A virtual asylum.
We Are the Herd. You Will be Assimilated. Resistance is Futile.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Compulsory_votingSunil_Prasannan said:
You don't march people to the polling booths, do you?RobD said:
I don't know about the proposed march, which agree sounds a bit iffy, but Iain Martin is simply wrong about parties not campaigning on election day. Perhaps he's never lived in a marginal seat? Four leaflet deliveries during the day, repeated knock-ups for recalcitrant voters (in the first election I was involved in, I was sent to knock up someone who'd been reminded 9 times already), loudspeaker cars touring all day, blizzards of phone calls all evening. Until you've got voters sprinting down the road after the final knock-up to make the polls before 10pm, you haven't lived :-).The BBC may fall silent, but the parties absolutely don't.NickPalmer said:
blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/iainmartin1/100286216/the-nationalist-pied-piper-plan-to-march-voters-to-the-polling-booths-next-week-is-deeply-sinister/Plato said:I wish I didn't feel this was possible, nevermind likely. Yessers have totally lost the plot when it comes to democracy. Intimidation, threats and now this on polling day.
I'm appalled. It's Venezuelan politics.For very good reasons, Britain's political parties do not campaign on election day. By that point everyone has had their say, the rallies and the shouting must stop. Between the opening and closing of the polling stations, voters can get on with casting their vote in peace, unimpeded by noisy displays of partisan politicking.
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PB Episode IV: Return of the HerdTheuniondivvie said:
The return of some of herdiest of the herd made me come over all nostalgic.RobD said:
Haven't heard of the herd in a while!Theuniondivvie said:
14 posts and it's the PB 'we'.AggieD said:
That's why we love you on PB. It takes one to know one.malcolmg said:It really is hard to believe the collection of nutjobs on here, the scope of nuttery is quite breathtaking. A virtual asylum.
We Are the Herd. You Will be Assimilated. Resistance is Futile.
It has a ring to it I guess!0 -
I wonder whether BOOers are looking at the mobilising of the establishment against Scottish Independence and realising that this is likely to be how it goes in 2017?
Of course 'yes' and 'out' may still both win!0 -
The No side seems to have won the EU issue hands down. Even the SNP now seems to accept that there will have to be a level negotiation before iScotland can join.Carnyx said:
That's exactly what some people are talking about. And one wonders why the No campaign have gone so quiet on the EU.Neil said:
Imagine this scenario if you will:SeanT said:
Who on earth do you think is looking on at this, and thinking, hmmm, yes, that there Scotland looks like a nice, welcoming, stable place to invest.
Scotland leaves in 2016, rUK leaves EU in 2017, all those Investment Banks reported to be looking at moving to Dublin decide that Edinburgh is a better city to be based in!
Ta da!
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I thought you might have a penchant for Star Wars ;-)__Bobajob__ said:
PB Episode IV: Return of the HerdTheuniondivvie said:
The return of some of herdiest of the herd made me come over all nostalgic.RobD said:
Haven't heard of the herd in a while!Theuniondivvie said:
14 posts and it's the PB 'we'.AggieD said:
That's why we love you on PB. It takes one to know one.malcolmg said:It really is hard to believe the collection of nutjobs on here, the scope of nuttery is quite breathtaking. A virtual asylum.
We Are the Herd. You Will be Assimilated. Resistance is Futile.
It has a ring to it I guess!0 -
Episode V: The British Empire Strike Back!__Bobajob__ said:
PB Episode IV: Return of the HerdTheuniondivvie said:
The return of some of herdiest of the herd made me come over all nostalgic.RobD said:
Haven't heard of the herd in a while!Theuniondivvie said:
14 posts and it's the PB 'we'.AggieD said:
That's why we love you on PB. It takes one to know one.malcolmg said:It really is hard to believe the collection of nutjobs on here, the scope of nuttery is quite breathtaking. A virtual asylum.
We Are the Herd. You Will be Assimilated. Resistance is Futile.
It has a ring to it I guess!0 -
Has anyone got final electorate figure for the Scottish councils?0
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That will, of course, depend on the currency.Neil said:
Imagine this scenario if you will:SeanT said:
Who on earth do you think is looking on at this, and thinking, hmmm, yes, that there Scotland looks like a nice, welcoming, stable place to invest.
Scotland leaves in 2016, rUK leaves EU in 2017, all those Investment Banks reported to be looking at moving to Dublin decide that Edinburgh is a better city to be based in!
Ta da!
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It's my son who is the big fan in my familyRobD said:
I thought you might have a penchant for Star Wars ;-)__Bobajob__ said:
PB Episode IV: Return of the HerdTheuniondivvie said:
The return of some of herdiest of the herd made me come over all nostalgic.RobD said:
Haven't heard of the herd in a while!Theuniondivvie said:
14 posts and it's the PB 'we'.AggieD said:
That's why we love you on PB. It takes one to know one.malcolmg said:It really is hard to believe the collection of nutjobs on here, the scope of nuttery is quite breathtaking. A virtual asylum.
We Are the Herd. You Will be Assimilated. Resistance is Futile.
It has a ring to it I guess!
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Been a Lurker since 2004. I may be one of the Herd but thank goodness I'm not a Sheepie. Will you be passing out bottles of Buckie to all the followers of the Great Leader's parade to the ballot box next Thursday?RobD said:
Haven't heard of the herd in a while!Theuniondivvie said:
14 posts and it's the PB 'we'.AggieD said:
That's why we love you on PB. It takes one to know one.malcolmg said:It really is hard to believe the collection of nutjobs on here, the scope of nuttery is quite breathtaking. A virtual asylum.
We Are the Herd. You Will be Assimilated. Resistance is Futile.0 -
Won't be like that at all, I should think. It will be much, much worse. Your actual UK firm or, say, the BBC is thinking of 8% (on average) of its market this week. In Brexit it's probably a lot more. And if the banks want more deregulation ...Neil said:I wonder whether BOOers are looking at the mobilising of the establishment against Scottish Independence and realising that this is likely to be how it goes in 2017?
Of course 'yes' and 'out' may still both win!
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"No, Luke. I am your father!"__Bobajob__ said:
It's my son who is the big fan in my familyRobD said:
I thought you might have a penchant for Star Wars ;-)__Bobajob__ said:
PB Episode IV: Return of the HerdTheuniondivvie said:
The return of some of herdiest of the herd made me come over all nostalgic.RobD said:
Haven't heard of the herd in a while!Theuniondivvie said:
14 posts and it's the PB 'we'.AggieD said:
That's why we love you on PB. It takes one to know one.malcolmg said:It really is hard to believe the collection of nutjobs on here, the scope of nuttery is quite breathtaking. A virtual asylum.
We Are the Herd. You Will be Assimilated. Resistance is Futile.
It has a ring to it I guess!0 -
More like a points draw especially now Senor B has left - hands down is too strong (I suspect reporting down south has not kept up with it). They'd be going on and on about it otherwise.SouthamObserver said:
The No side seems to have won the EU issue hands down. Even the SNP now seems to accept that there will have to be a level negotiation before iScotland can join.Carnyx said:
That's exactly what some people are talking about. And one wonders why the No campaign have gone so quiet on the EU.Neil said:
Imagine this scenario if you will:SeanT said:
Who on earth do you think is looking on at this, and thinking, hmmm, yes, that there Scotland looks like a nice, welcoming, stable place to invest.
Scotland leaves in 2016, rUK leaves EU in 2017, all those Investment Banks reported to be looking at moving to Dublin decide that Edinburgh is a better city to be based in!
Ta da!
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Anyone want to come to a sticky end?
I suggest Dundee city centre in the early hours of 19th September, while wearing an England shirt. Singing Jerusalem.0 -
That comment was to Theunuiondivvie by the way.AggieD said:
Been a Lurker since 2004. I may be one of the Herd but thank goodness I'm not a Sheepie. Will you be passing out bottles of Buckie to all the followers of the Great Leader's parade to the ballot box next Thursday?RobD said:
Haven't heard of the herd in a while!Theuniondivvie said:
14 posts and it's the PB 'we'.AggieD said:
That's why we love you on PB. It takes one to know one.malcolmg said:It really is hard to believe the collection of nutjobs on here, the scope of nuttery is quite breathtaking. A virtual asylum.
We Are the Herd. You Will be Assimilated. Resistance is Futile.0 -
You've got me entirely hooked here. I want to know more about snakes with hips.
I'm very fond of snakes and evolution. Where did you gain your herpetological knowledge? My brother kept pythons, and I fell in love with them. And other reptiles.Carnyx said:
Thanks. Of course it would be tricky. I had forgotten that you'd need a 2/3 majority to change the electoral legislation in the way described would you not?HurstLlama said:
Carnyx, he might be able to, though I suspect that large chunks of Labour and Lib Dems would baulk, if he had the guts to try. Given that Cameron has courage in the way snakes have hips I am not convinced he would even try (also Samantha might not like it).Carnyx said:
Serious question, why should he not be able to get it through pmt given the reasons Mr Charles adduces?HurstLlama said:
Good plan, Mr. Charles, and very sensible. Now, tell us, do you think Cameron would ever have the courage in bring in such a bill and fight it through Parliament to get it enacted?Charles said:[snipped]
They would have an incentive to string out negotiations beyond the May 2016 date Salmond has set.
I'm sure he would accept it ("in the interests of an orderly transition") in return for material concessions on the substantive matters.
Hence a Labour government in this position would have a direct conflict of interests and would not be able to negotiate an optimal outcome for rUK.
This is a very good example of why, immediately following a vote, there should be an Act (ie in 2014):
- devolving all domestic powers (including financial) to Holyrood
- fixing a cash lump sum transfer to iScot for the 2015/16 budget for all these domestic matters (ie ending the Barnett formula and meaning that Scottish MPs have no interest in rUK money bills)
- limiting the voting rights of Scottish MPs to a very limited set of truly UK wide issues (eg defence/foreign affairs)
- providing that in GE2015 there will be no Scottish MPs elected but that Holyrood will appoint 58 representatives (with the limited powers above) in proportion to the votes cast for parties at the last Holyrood elections (ie 2011)
Even Mr Charles, a High Tory in the good meaning of the phrase, is unconvinced that Cameron would actually have the courage to do something.
BTW some snakes do have hips, even if one ignores the usual fossil "missing links". If one gets up and intimate with a python and examines its intimate parts, one will see a couple of very vestigial thighbones, which are attached internally to small pelvic girdle bones. So there is hope ...0 -
Episode II: Attack of the Clones!Sunil_Prasannan said:
Episode V: The British Empire Strike Back!__Bobajob__ said:
PB Episode IV: Return of the HerdTheuniondivvie said:
The return of some of herdiest of the herd made me come over all nostalgic.RobD said:
Haven't heard of the herd in a while!Theuniondivvie said:
14 posts and it's the PB 'we'.AggieD said:
That's why we love you on PB. It takes one to know one.malcolmg said:It really is hard to believe the collection of nutjobs on here, the scope of nuttery is quite breathtaking. A virtual asylum.
We Are the Herd. You Will be Assimilated. Resistance is Futile.
It has a ring to it I guess!
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Is BlackDouglas on? I'd like to rip into his ridiculous claim that Scotland has a 100 years of oil and gas reserves (and nobody else has any), but I shan't bother if he's not around.0
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Can the poster who posted the disgusting joke about that case in South Africa, please repost it. I want to judge the lack of decorum for myself.0
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That sounds like our former Lord Provost of DundeeAndyJS said:Anyone want to come to a sticky end?
I suggest Dundee city centre in the early hours of 19th September, while wearing an England shirt. Singing Jerusalem.
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It's something I have watched very closely for a very long time, partly for work, partly out of an interest in the Spanish angle. The EU position has not changed: countries that secede from member states put themselves outside the EU and will have to apply for membership. By voting for independence from an EU member state, Scots will be voting to deprive themselves of EU citizenship.Carnyx said:
More like a points draw especially now Senor B has left - hands down is too strong (I suspect reporting down south has not kept up with it). They'd be going on and on about it otherwise.SouthamObserver said:
The No side seems to have won the EU issue hands down. Even the SNP now seems to accept that there will have to be a level negotiation before iScotland can join.Carnyx said:
That's exactly what some people are talking about. And one wonders why the No campaign have gone so quiet on the EU.Neil said:
Imagine this scenario if you will:SeanT said:
Who on earth do you think is looking on at this, and thinking, hmmm, yes, that there Scotland looks like a nice, welcoming, stable place to invest.
Scotland leaves in 2016, rUK leaves EU in 2017, all those Investment Banks reported to be looking at moving to Dublin decide that Edinburgh is a better city to be based in!
Ta da!
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Is that the one about: hey what's Oscar done that's so terrible, I'm sure we've all shot our load over our girlfriend at one point or another...dr_spyn said:Can the poster who posted the disgusting joke about that case in South Africa, please repost it. I want to judge the lack of decorum for myself.
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Have you read any Colin Bateman? His books about NI are very darkly funny. His made-up border town of Crossmaheart is epic. A Catholic priest who gets a heart transplant from a Proddie is ostracised...Neil said:
He or she should relax - it's hardly likely to get much worse.Morris_Dancer said:Miss Plato, a Northern Irish friend of mine is deeply worried about what'll happen there if Yes wins.
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Mr. D, that's a loooong lurk. Welcome to posting.0
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Thanx Mr Crosby - I can see the logic in that fear.RodCrosby said:
His view was that Eastern Europe looks to a strong UK as the only European country prepared to stand up to (expansionist) Russia.Plato said:What were they most scared of as a repercussion?
RodCrosby said:Make of this what you will...
Was talking about the referendum with a Slovak acquaintance over the weekend. (no idiot, a Physics PhD and ex-MP in his 50s)
He told me people in Eastern Europe were "terrified" of a YES vote, the Russians were looking on with glee, and that the SNP must be their agents or dupes...
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I liked: Oscar has asked Celtic's lawyers for help as they know how to lose two legs but still win.rcs1000 said:
Is that the one about: hey what's Oscar done that's so terrible, I'm sure we've all shot our load over our girlfriend at one point or another...dr_spyn said:Can the poster who posted the disgusting joke about that case in South Africa, please repost it. I want to judge the lack of decorum for myself.
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A veritable Rave From The Grave.Neil said:
We never went away you know.Theuniondivvie said:
The return of some of herdiest of the herd made me come over all nostalgic.RobD said:
Haven't heard of the herd in a while!Theuniondivvie said:
14 posts and it's the PB 'we'.AggieD said:
That's why we love you on PB. It takes one to know one.malcolmg said:It really is hard to believe the collection of nutjobs on here, the scope of nuttery is quite breathtaking. A virtual asylum.
We Are the Herd. You Will be Assimilated. Resistance is Futile.0 -
Good luck with the 'Sheepie' thing, it's a real zinger.AggieD said:
Been a Lurker since 2004. I may be one of the Herd but thank goodness I'm not a Sheepie. Will you be passing out bottles of Buckie to all the followers of the Great Leader's parade to the ballot box next Thursday?RobD said:
Haven't heard of the herd in a while!Theuniondivvie said:
14 posts and it's the PB 'we'.AggieD said:
That's why we love you on PB. It takes one to know one.malcolmg said:It really is hard to believe the collection of nutjobs on here, the scope of nuttery is quite breathtaking. A virtual asylum.
We Are the Herd. You Will be Assimilated. Resistance is Futile.0 -
Still around. Although none of what you said above accurately reflects what I said. I said the global easy to extract supplies were falling while untapped sectors in the West of Scotland and in the North Sea were now expecting to come onstream creating a boom. T Indeed RBS recently released a report showing the sector needed 30,000 new workers. That was before recent announcements of huge discoveries. Plus supplied on the West Coast have not been tapped because it would interfere with Trident operations - admitted by Michael Hestletine..rcs1000 said:Is BlackDouglas on? I'd like to rip into his ridiculous claim that Scotland has a 100 years of oil and gas reserves (and nobody else has any), but I shan't bother if he's not around.
Oh, you can see the 100 years of oil claim in this recent report published in Oil Industry News. My own claim below was far more modest - 50-100years.
http://www.oilandgaspeople.com/news/1039/scottish-west-coast-untapped-oil-and-gas-reserves-worth-trillions/0 -
Plato said:
You've got me entirely hooked here. I want to know more about snakes with hips.
I'm very fond of snakes and evolution. Where did you gain your herpetological knowledge? My brother kept pythons, and I fell in love with them. And other reptiles.
BTW some snakes do have hips, even if one ignores the usual fossil "missing links". If one gets up and intimate with a python and examines its intimate parts, one will see a couple of very vestigial thighbones, which are attached internally to small pelvic girdle bones. So there is hope ...
Don't know any websites offhand re snakes, but I came across this blog some time ago and it s good for four-legged beasties. I guessed it would have something relevant - and so it does:
http://scienceblogs.com/tetrapodzoology/2010/09/03/ing-ser-2-monster-python/
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Savers, what savers? I thought everyone was up to their eyes in debt these days.TGOHF said:
Agre on pension funds - they will be fine.No_Offence_Alan said:
The underlying assets of nominally Scottish-based pension funds will be overwhelmingly in FTSE (i.e. London-domiciled) companies.SeanT said:
If I had any money in Scottish banks or pension funds I would move it now, if I could. Why take the risk?
Wont just be cross border transfers from RBS and Lloyds though - savers south of the border will want to move to a non Scottish bank - the £85k assurance will no longer be in place in the central bank free zone north of Berwick.
BTW, I had another "No offence, Alan" moment last night - at my chess club of all places!
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Does it take one to know one?Theuniondivvie said:
Being discreet about it isn't herd 'classic' though.Neil said:
We never went away you know.Theuniondivvie said:
The return of some of herdiest of the herd made me come over all nostalgic.RobD said:
Haven't heard of the herd in a while!Theuniondivvie said:
14 posts and it's the PB 'we'.AggieD said:
That's why we love you on PB. It takes one to know one.malcolmg said:It really is hard to believe the collection of nutjobs on here, the scope of nuttery is quite breathtaking. A virtual asylum.
We Are the Herd. You Will be Assimilated. Resistance is Futile.0 -
save your pixels, it's numbers and stuff, Nats only do wild romance and hairdressing.rcs1000 said:Is BlackDouglas on? I'd like to rip into his ridiculous claim that Scotland has a 100 years of oil and gas reserves (and nobody else has any), but I shan't bother if he's not around.
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No, I'm pretty sure Salmond had some legal advice on this matter.SouthamObserver said:
It's something I have watched very closely for a very long time, partly for work, partly out of an interest in the Spanish angle. The EU position has not changed: countries that secede from member states put themselves outside the EU and will have to apply for membership. By voting for independence from an EU member state, Scots will be voting to deprive themselves of EU citizenship.Carnyx said:
More like a points draw especially now Senor B has left - hands down is too strong (I suspect reporting down south has not kept up with it). They'd be going on and on about it otherwise.SouthamObserver said:
The No side seems to have won the EU issue hands down. Even the SNP now seems to accept that there will have to be a level negotiation before iScotland can join.Carnyx said:
That's exactly what some people are talking about. And one wonders why the No campaign have gone so quiet on the EU.Neil said:
Imagine this scenario if you will:SeanT said:
Who on earth do you think is looking on at this, and thinking, hmmm, yes, that there Scotland looks like a nice, welcoming, stable place to invest.
Scotland leaves in 2016, rUK leaves EU in 2017, all those Investment Banks reported to be looking at moving to Dublin decide that Edinburgh is a better city to be based in!
Ta da!0 -
Any Unionists in London? Just heard that "let's stay together" are having a rally in Trafalgar Square on Monday evening at 6pm. I'm going to be there with my Union flag.
Anyone else?0 -
I love how so many of these people in the media jumping up at down at Sillars' legitimate objection to businesses making overtly "political" points, are the same people who protest about Oxfam and other charities doing exactly that and threatening to legislate to get them to shut up.0
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These aren't tax-exempt charities.Danny565 said:I love how so many of these people in the media jumping up at down at Sillars' legitimate objection to businesses making overtly "political" points, are the same people who protest about Oxfam and other charities doing exactly that and threatening to legislate to get them to shut up.
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Yes, absolute filthrcs1000 said:
Is that the one about: hey what's Oscar done that's so terrible, I'm sure we've all shot our load over our girlfriend at one point or another...dr_spyn said:Can the poster who posted the disgusting joke about that case in South Africa, please repost it. I want to judge the lack of decorum for myself.
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Please don't make sensible points. The Herd just cannot comprehend.Danny565 said:I love how so many of these people in the media jumping up at down at Sillars' legitimate objection to businesses making overtly "political" points, are the same people who protest about Oxfam and other charities doing exactly that and threatening to legislate to get them to shut up.
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