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Historical events A and B do not prove future hypothesis C. Just ask arch-Blairite Jim Murphy.Sunil_Prasannan said:
Scottish Labour won their highest percentage of Scottish seats under Blair, in 1997 and 2001.StuartDickson said:
Historical events A and B do not prove future hypothesis C. Just ask arch-Blairite Jim Murphy.Sunil_Prasannan said:StuartDickson said:
Historical events A and B do not prove future hypothesis C. Just ask arch-Blairite Jim Murphy.Sunil_Prasannan said:
Scottish Labour won their highest percentage of Scottish seats under Blair, in 1997 and 2001.StuartDickson said:
Ha ha. I’m almost beginning to feel sorry for poor Anas.williamglenn said:Starmer urges Labour to embrace Blair’s legacy
https://www.ft.com/content/34ec43b9-5dcd-46cd-b284-093e8f13714d
GE Scots seats %seats Boss
1970 44/71 61.9% Wilson
1974F 40/71 56.3% Wilson
1974O 41/71 57.7% Wilson
1979 44/71 61.9% Callaghan
1983 41/72 56.9% Foot
1987 50/72 69.4% Kinnock
1992 49/72 68.1% Kinnock
1997 56/72 77.8% Blair
2001 56/72 77.8% Blair
2005 41/59 69.5% Blair
2010 41/59 69.5% Brown
2015 1/59 1.6% Miliband
2017 7/59 11.9% Corbyn
2019 1/59 1.6% Corbyn
We can keep this up all night if you’re enjoying yourself.0 -
Although the liquid you pour off would probably taste closer to, er, milk.SandyRentool said:
That doesn't quite work for those of us who make their porridge with milk, not water.IshmaelZ said:
If you make porr*dge by soaking oats in the fr*dge overn*ght, and pour off the liquid in the morn*ng, you've got oatly, but cheaper.SandyRentool said:Just been in the kitchen to do some research.
Oatly does not have the word 'milk' on the carton.
Minor Figures use the term 'm*lk' .
Minor Figures Oat M*lk is available from Able & Cole, btw.
I prefer mil*0 -
That's decent bottle of malt money.Benpointer said:
Not the rose - that's £41.99 at Waitrose.FrancisUrquhart said:
Its good stuff, widely discussed on here in the past. I believe on offer at Waitrose at the moment for £27.Andy_JS said:
Never heard of it until now. About £40 a bottle, it seems.Leon said:I just want to spend the rest of my life drinking Nyetimber rose
Is that too much to ask of a cruel, cold world?
(Waitrose Wine Director has obviously been watching the Nyetimber ramping going on here tonight!)
Who'd pay that for a bit of fizz?2 -
I'm going off to watch Groundhog Day (again).StuartDickson said:
Historical events A and B do not prove future hypothesis C. Just ask arch-Blairite Jim Murphy.Sunil_Prasannan said:
Scottish Labour won their highest percentage of Scottish seats under Blair, in 1997 and 2001.StuartDickson said:
Historical events A and B do not prove future hypothesis C. Just ask arch-Blairite Jim Murphy.Sunil_Prasannan said:StuartDickson said:
Historical events A and B do not prove future hypothesis C. Just ask arch-Blairite Jim Murphy.Sunil_Prasannan said:
Scottish Labour won their highest percentage of Scottish seats under Blair, in 1997 and 2001.StuartDickson said:
Ha ha. I’m almost beginning to feel sorry for poor Anas.williamglenn said:Starmer urges Labour to embrace Blair’s legacy
https://www.ft.com/content/34ec43b9-5dcd-46cd-b284-093e8f13714d
GE Scots seats %seats Boss
1970 44/71 61.9% Wilson
1974F 40/71 56.3% Wilson
1974O 41/71 57.7% Wilson
1979 44/71 61.9% Callaghan
1983 41/72 56.9% Foot
1987 50/72 69.4% Kinnock
1992 49/72 68.1% Kinnock
1997 56/72 77.8% Blair
2001 56/72 77.8% Blair
2005 41/59 69.5% Blair
2010 41/59 69.5% Brown
2015 1/59 1.6% Miliband
2017 7/59 11.9% Corbyn
2019 1/59 1.6% Corbyn
We can keep this up all night if you’re enjoying yourself.3 -
Sean ...er, Leon.SandyRentool said:
That's decent bottle of malt money.Benpointer said:
Not the rose - that's £41.99 at Waitrose.FrancisUrquhart said:
Its good stuff, widely discussed on here in the past. I believe on offer at Waitrose at the moment for £27.Andy_JS said:
Never heard of it until now. About £40 a bottle, it seems.Leon said:I just want to spend the rest of my life drinking Nyetimber rose
Is that too much to ask of a cruel, cold world?
(Waitrose Wine Director has obviously been watching the Nyetimber ramping going on here tonight!)
Who'd pay that for a bit of fizz?3 -
Too cowardly for thatStuartDickson said:
Johnson’s minders will change his nappies and stick a dummy in his mouth. But he’ll be back to fouling his surroundings in no time.YoungTurk said:
They'll probably go back to Labour if Johnson keeps on like this.TheScreamingEagles said:
As a resident of South Yorkshire and child of the 80s, I was astonished to see just how many ex mining areas went Tory in 2019, I'm sure plenty of ex miners and their families went Tory in 2019.squareroot2 said:The miners and ex miners were not going to vote for him anyway. An incautious remark nonetheless.
He’d have done less damage if he’d just had that quiet chat with the First Minister.
NOwilliamglenn said:
Isn't @malcolmg basically a Thatcherite?HYUFD said:
Thatcher got 31% in Scotland in 1979, higher than Davidson ever got and 28% in 1983, the same as May and Davidson got in 2017.StuartDickson said:
I dunno. A lot of people - eg Goldie, Davidson and Ross - have worked very hard over the last three decades to remove the stench of Thatcherism from the SCon brand. Johnson just befouled their efforts.Fairliered said:Can’t see Johnson’s comments having more than a very marginal effect in Scotland. May have more effect in the Red Wall.
But I agree that much, much more is at stake for the Tories in England’s Red Wall. A lot of northern Tories will be concerned tonight.
Even in 1987 she still got 24% which was more than Goldie and Ross ever got.
About a quarter to a third of Scots are Thatcherites, indeed when Salmond was SNP leader some Scottish Thatcherites voted SNP, especially in the North East1 -
Scots prefer a competent government doing the right things, as witnessed by the result of the May general election.PJH said:
Like many here I'm old enough to remember Thatcher as she dominated my teens and early 20s. During lockdown I stumbled across a documentary series on iPlayer on the Thatcher Years that I'd missed when it was first aired, and on watching it I found I'd forgotten how much I hated both her and her government at the time.Foxy said:
She screwed over the scabs and the Nottinghamshire miners as much as the rest.StuartDickson said:
I vividly remember Thatcher. She was utterly mesmerising. Like that python in The Jungle Book. Ugly as sin, evil and foul, but so rock-solid sure of herself it was like a spell. She absolutely *loved* screwing folk over. She exuded raw, reptilian pleasure in the pain of others.Foxy said:
Britain in the Seventies and Eighties was one of the countries at the forefront of moving to the post industrial age. No more would manufacturing and extractive industries provide secure mass employment of the unskilled. What manufacturing we have left employs far fewer, and those are more highly skilled.StuartDickson said:
Funny that, the Tories at the time thought that Tebbit’s bike was an act of genius.Foxy said:
The problem wasn't so much the move against coal (or British Coal at least, as we imported quite a lot since) but rather the perceived abandonment of pit communities. A more planned and supported shift to alternative employment would have helped.philiph said:I would love to see a poll in ex mining communities along the lines of:
'Would thou like t'work down t'mine?'
Yes % DK% No %
Us old fossils may not have moved on. Miners and the desolation of the communities they had are still vivid images in our minds. There is no sanitisation of that period.
However that does not mean that an awful lot of good hasn't arisen from closing mines. The good may be unintended consequences, but this far after the act there is more positive than negative from a policy of 40 years ago.
Other countries have followed the same transition, and almost all have had similar dislocated communities, from Picardy, to the Appalachians to the Donbass. To a degree it was inevitable, but the precipitate nature of the transition was perhaps unnecessary, as was the Thatcherites seeming rather uncaring or even gleeful about it.
Regarding the header, I think it's not so much the fact that Thatcher killed off the mining industry, it was her apparently uncaring attitude towards the devastating impact it had on people and communities that were far removed from Southern Thatcherite Torydom that rankled. It seems that the northern English mining areas have now forgiven or forgotten, but the Scots are still taking their revenge by voting SNP.
The other thought that struck me was that whatever I might think of them politically, the Thatcher cabinets were in a totally different league to the current bunch of nonentities. I then wondered whether it is better to have a competent government doing the wrong thing, or an incompetent one?1 -
Not classy , you are showing lots of pique thereLeon said:
Not fat, not even drunk, and, you know, at least I'm not a Scot Nat Blood-and-Soil NAZI like you. So there's that?StuartDickson said:
Fat and drunk. You’re some catch Sean.Leon said:
It is honestly fantastic. Matthew Parris may be a mad Remainer but he is totally right about this. It is the best hot sauce in the world.Carnyx said:
Interesting!Leon said:
You strike me a bit of a gourmetCarnyx said:
Please don't. Aubergine, hot smoked salmon, capers and onions, with scrambled egg and tagliatelli, is a staple chez Carnyx.StuartDickson said:
Some reading for Fraser Nelson and his voyeurs:Nigelb said:
Self pleasuring to excess is undeniably emblematic of Spectator journalism, I suppose.Leon said:fpt on this Speccie thing
I have no dog in this fight, but that magazine has boasted some amazing writers in its 2 centuries of publication.
Douglas Murray went through ALL 200 years of them and chose the four best articles ever. And, when you read them, it is hard not to sit back with a certain awed, dumbstruck admiration. Just pure journalistic genius. The kind of stuff you cannot fake.
Occasionally, one simply has to stand, and applaud.
https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/four-of-the-best-spectator-pieces-i-ve-ever-read
“Frequent or rough masturbation can cause minor skin irritation. Forcefully bending an erect penis can rupture the chambers that fill with blood, a rare but gruesome condition called penile fracture.
Köhler has seen guys with it after vigorous masturbation. "Afterward, the penis looks like an eggplant," he says. "It's purple and swollen." Most men need surgery to repair it.”
Ouch! Take care Fraser!
https://www.webmd.com/men/guide/male-masturbation-5-things-you-didnt-know
Have you encountered Dr Trouble's hot chili sauce?
Matthew Parris has, apparently, been banging on about it for months. It's made in Zimbabwe of all places, and it is utter genius. Very smoky, very rich, must be used sparingly, but omg
https://www.amazon.co.uk/Dr-Trouble-African-Lemon-Chilli/dp/B07QVFYDBG?th=1
I prefer the double oak smoked chile to the lemon version. Both are Wow
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/dr-troubles-sauce-is-gift-that-keeps-on-giving-cm3thlbh6
I had a ham and cheese sourdough toastie the other day - thick lovely ham, tangy mature Cheddar, some tiger tomatoes, I took out the Dijon mustard and added Dr Trouble and flash fried the result
SENSATIONAL
With such things I am consoled1 -
Sean’s on commission.Andy_JS said:
Never heard of it until now. About £40 a bottle, it seems.Leon said:I just want to spend the rest of my life drinking Nyetimber rose
Is that too much to ask of a cruel, cold world?
You too can be fat, drunk and obnoxious, just buy our wonderful pink pish-water. It’s fizzy just like Tizer!
(The invoice is in the post.)2 -
That takes some front to postmalcolmg said:
Not classy , you are showing lots of pique thereLeon said:
Not fat, not even drunk, and, you know, at least I'm not a Scot Nat Blood-and-Soil NAZI like you. So there's that?StuartDickson said:
Fat and drunk. You’re some catch Sean.Leon said:
It is honestly fantastic. Matthew Parris may be a mad Remainer but he is totally right about this. It is the best hot sauce in the world.Carnyx said:
Interesting!Leon said:
You strike me a bit of a gourmetCarnyx said:
Please don't. Aubergine, hot smoked salmon, capers and onions, with scrambled egg and tagliatelli, is a staple chez Carnyx.StuartDickson said:
Some reading for Fraser Nelson and his voyeurs:Nigelb said:
Self pleasuring to excess is undeniably emblematic of Spectator journalism, I suppose.Leon said:fpt on this Speccie thing
I have no dog in this fight, but that magazine has boasted some amazing writers in its 2 centuries of publication.
Douglas Murray went through ALL 200 years of them and chose the four best articles ever. And, when you read them, it is hard not to sit back with a certain awed, dumbstruck admiration. Just pure journalistic genius. The kind of stuff you cannot fake.
Occasionally, one simply has to stand, and applaud.
https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/four-of-the-best-spectator-pieces-i-ve-ever-read
“Frequent or rough masturbation can cause minor skin irritation. Forcefully bending an erect penis can rupture the chambers that fill with blood, a rare but gruesome condition called penile fracture.
Köhler has seen guys with it after vigorous masturbation. "Afterward, the penis looks like an eggplant," he says. "It's purple and swollen." Most men need surgery to repair it.”
Ouch! Take care Fraser!
https://www.webmd.com/men/guide/male-masturbation-5-things-you-didnt-know
Have you encountered Dr Trouble's hot chili sauce?
Matthew Parris has, apparently, been banging on about it for months. It's made in Zimbabwe of all places, and it is utter genius. Very smoky, very rich, must be used sparingly, but omg
https://www.amazon.co.uk/Dr-Trouble-African-Lemon-Chilli/dp/B07QVFYDBG?th=1
I prefer the double oak smoked chile to the lemon version. Both are Wow
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/dr-troubles-sauce-is-gift-that-keeps-on-giving-cm3thlbh6
I had a ham and cheese sourdough toastie the other day - thick lovely ham, tangy mature Cheddar, some tiger tomatoes, I took out the Dijon mustard and added Dr Trouble and flash fried the result
SENSATIONAL
With such things I am consoled
You forgotten one of your recent beauties?0 -
I'd obviously missed this:
"Last month, the Cleveland Indians baseball team dropped their controversial name for one aimed at being more inclusive: the Guardians."
It would be good if the franchise moved to Manchester, NH.
Night all.4 -
Actually, HYUFD, I was looking at seat totals. In both 1997 and 2001, Blair won 56 of 72 Scottish seats, 77.8% of seats available. A true high-water mark for Scottish Labour.HYUFD said:
Correct Sunil, the 45.6% Blair got in Scotland in 1997 was Labour's highest Scottish voteshare since 1966.Sunil_Prasannan said:
Scottish Labour won their highest percentage of Scottish seats under Blair, in 1997 and 2001.StuartDickson said:
Historical events A and B do not prove future hypothesis C. Just ask arch-Blairite Jim Murphy.Sunil_Prasannan said:StuartDickson said:
Historical events A and B do not prove future hypothesis C. Just ask arch-Blairite Jim Murphy.Sunil_Prasannan said:
Scottish Labour won their highest percentage of Scottish seats under Blair, in 1997 and 2001.StuartDickson said:
Ha ha. I’m almost beginning to feel sorry for poor Anas.williamglenn said:Starmer urges Labour to embrace Blair’s legacy
https://www.ft.com/content/34ec43b9-5dcd-46cd-b284-093e8f13714d
GE Scots seats %seats Boss
1970 44/71 61.9% Wilson
1974F 40/71 56.3% Wilson
1974O 41/71 57.7% Wilson
1979 44/71 61.9% Callaghan
1983 41/72 56.9% Foot
1987 50/72 69.4% Kinnock
1992 49/72 68.1% Kinnock
1997 56/72 77.8% Blair
2001 56/72 77.8% Blair
2005 41/59 69.5% Blair
2010 41/59 69.5% Brown
2015 1/59 1.6% Miliband
2017 7/59 11.9% Corbyn
2019 1/59 1.6% Corbyn
It was also slightly higher than the 45% Sturgeon got in 2019.
Most Scots are not socialist but centrist, moderately social democratic
So why shouldn't Starmer want Labour to embrace that legacy?1 -
Well. If you want to talk ‘gratuitous unpleasantness’, this was the sequence of comments earlierStuartDickson said:
So, Sean’s not in the mood for desisting with the gratuitous unpleasantness. Glad we cleared that up.Leon said:
1. I'm not SeanStuartDickson said:
Nope. In the interests of balance, I expect you’re now going to tell Sean off for calling me a Nazi? Hardly seems proportionate for me pointing out that he has a well self-advertised alcohol problem.DavidL said:
You on the sauce yourself tonight Stuart? You are being quite gratuitously unpleasant.StuartDickson said:
Fat and drunk. You’re some catch Sean.Leon said:
It is honestly fantastic. Matthew Parris may be a mad Remainer but he is totally right about this. It is the best hot sauce in the world.Carnyx said:
Interesting!Leon said:
You strike me a bit of a gourmetCarnyx said:
Please don't. Aubergine, hot smoked salmon, capers and onions, with scrambled egg and tagliatelli, is a staple chez Carnyx.StuartDickson said:
Some reading for Fraser Nelson and his voyeurs:Nigelb said:
Self pleasuring to excess is undeniably emblematic of Spectator journalism, I suppose.Leon said:fpt on this Speccie thing
I have no dog in this fight, but that magazine has boasted some amazing writers in its 2 centuries of publication.
Douglas Murray went through ALL 200 years of them and chose the four best articles ever. And, when you read them, it is hard not to sit back with a certain awed, dumbstruck admiration. Just pure journalistic genius. The kind of stuff you cannot fake.
Occasionally, one simply has to stand, and applaud.
https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/four-of-the-best-spectator-pieces-i-ve-ever-read
“Frequent or rough masturbation can cause minor skin irritation. Forcefully bending an erect penis can rupture the chambers that fill with blood, a rare but gruesome condition called penile fracture.
Köhler has seen guys with it after vigorous masturbation. "Afterward, the penis looks like an eggplant," he says. "It's purple and swollen." Most men need surgery to repair it.”
Ouch! Take care Fraser!
https://www.webmd.com/men/guide/male-masturbation-5-things-you-didnt-know
Have you encountered Dr Trouble's hot chili sauce?
Matthew Parris has, apparently, been banging on about it for months. It's made in Zimbabwe of all places, and it is utter genius. Very smoky, very rich, must be used sparingly, but omg
https://www.amazon.co.uk/Dr-Trouble-African-Lemon-Chilli/dp/B07QVFYDBG?th=1
I prefer the double oak smoked chile to the lemon version. Both are Wow
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/dr-troubles-sauce-is-gift-that-keeps-on-giving-cm3thlbh6
I had a ham and cheese sourdough toastie the other day - thick lovely ham, tangy mature Cheddar, some tiger tomatoes, I took out the Dijon mustard and added Dr Trouble and flash fried the result
SENSATIONAL
2. lol
3. Earlier on you actually wished death on me, so, frankly, "blood-and-soil Scot Nat Nazi" seems like fair comment, especially as you, er, are
Leon said:
I just want to spend the rest of my life drinking Nyetimber rose
Is that too much to ask of a cruel, cold world?
Foxy said:
I reckon half a case could do it if you drink quickly.
Stuart Dickson said:
One lives in hope.
So, I made a gag about drinking away my life with my favourite fizz. Foxy said, well this is how to do it quickly. You fervently wished that that my death would happen this way, soon
Foxy, being a gent, quickly apologised for crossing a line. I accepted his apology because, Lord knows, I’ve also said some stupid, callous things on here, and been rightly criticised. By contrast, you have not the self awareness to apologise, perhaps you lack the wits to even see what happened
I shall not repine. Let you be you0 -
That’ll be why you advocate sending up the tanks.HYUFD said:
Correct Sunil, the 45.6% Blair got in Scotland in 1997 was Labour's highest Scottish voteshare since 1966.Sunil_Prasannan said:
Scottish Labour won their highest percentage of Scottish seats under Blair, in 1997 and 2001.StuartDickson said:
Historical events A and B do not prove future hypothesis C. Just ask arch-Blairite Jim Murphy.Sunil_Prasannan said:StuartDickson said:
Historical events A and B do not prove future hypothesis C. Just ask arch-Blairite Jim Murphy.Sunil_Prasannan said:
Scottish Labour won their highest percentage of Scottish seats under Blair, in 1997 and 2001.StuartDickson said:
Ha ha. I’m almost beginning to feel sorry for poor Anas.williamglenn said:Starmer urges Labour to embrace Blair’s legacy
https://www.ft.com/content/34ec43b9-5dcd-46cd-b284-093e8f13714d
GE Scots seats %seats Boss
1970 44/71 61.9% Wilson
1974F 40/71 56.3% Wilson
1974O 41/71 57.7% Wilson
1979 44/71 61.9% Callaghan
1983 41/72 56.9% Foot
1987 50/72 69.4% Kinnock
1992 49/72 68.1% Kinnock
1997 56/72 77.8% Blair
2001 56/72 77.8% Blair
2005 41/59 69.5% Blair
2010 41/59 69.5% Brown
2015 1/59 1.6% Miliband
2017 7/59 11.9% Corbyn
2019 1/59 1.6% Corbyn
It was also slightly higher than the 45% Sturgeon got in 2019.
Most Scots are not socialist but centrist, moderately social democratic0 -
So, millions of vegetarians are getting right royally ripped off at the supermarkets? Ya don’t say? I’m shocked I tell ya.IshmaelZ said:
If you make porr*dge by soaking oats in the fr*dge overn*ght, and pour off the liquid in the morn*ng, you've got oatly, but cheaper.SandyRentool said:Just been in the kitchen to do some research.
Oatly does not have the word 'milk' on the carton.
Minor Figures use the term 'm*lk' .
Minor Figures Oat M*lk is available from Able & Cole, btw.
I prefer mil*1 -
Even Jim Murphy and Ed Miliband in 2015 got a higher Scottish Labour voteshare than Richard Leonard and Corbyn got in 2019Sunil_Prasannan said:
Actually, HYUFD, I was looking at seat totals. In both 1997 and 2001, Blair won 56 of 72 Scottish seats, 77.8% of seats available. A true high-water mark for Scottish Labour.HYUFD said:
Correct Sunil, the 45.6% Blair got in Scotland in 1997 was Labour's highest Scottish voteshare since 1966.Sunil_Prasannan said:
Scottish Labour won their highest percentage of Scottish seats under Blair, in 1997 and 2001.StuartDickson said:
Historical events A and B do not prove future hypothesis C. Just ask arch-Blairite Jim Murphy.Sunil_Prasannan said:StuartDickson said:
Historical events A and B do not prove future hypothesis C. Just ask arch-Blairite Jim Murphy.Sunil_Prasannan said:
Scottish Labour won their highest percentage of Scottish seats under Blair, in 1997 and 2001.StuartDickson said:
Ha ha. I’m almost beginning to feel sorry for poor Anas.williamglenn said:Starmer urges Labour to embrace Blair’s legacy
https://www.ft.com/content/34ec43b9-5dcd-46cd-b284-093e8f13714d
GE Scots seats %seats Boss
1970 44/71 61.9% Wilson
1974F 40/71 56.3% Wilson
1974O 41/71 57.7% Wilson
1979 44/71 61.9% Callaghan
1983 41/72 56.9% Foot
1987 50/72 69.4% Kinnock
1992 49/72 68.1% Kinnock
1997 56/72 77.8% Blair
2001 56/72 77.8% Blair
2005 41/59 69.5% Blair
2010 41/59 69.5% Brown
2015 1/59 1.6% Miliband
2017 7/59 11.9% Corbyn
2019 1/59 1.6% Corbyn
It was also slightly higher than the 45% Sturgeon got in 2019.
Most Scots are not socialist but centrist, moderately social democratic
So why shouldn't Starmer want Labour to embrace that legacy?0 -
Funny how English Nationalism hasn’t worked its magic on the Scottish electorate. It’s a mystery.Theuniondivvie said:
Just largely immune to the racists and xenophobes driving English politics for the last 20 years it appears.HYUFD said:
Correct Sunil, the 45.6% Blair got in Scotland in 1997 was Labour's highest Scottish voteshare since 1966.Sunil_Prasannan said:
Scottish Labour won their highest percentage of Scottish seats under Blair, in 1997 and 2001.StuartDickson said:
Historical events A and B do not prove future hypothesis C. Just ask arch-Blairite Jim Murphy.Sunil_Prasannan said:StuartDickson said:
Historical events A and B do not prove future hypothesis C. Just ask arch-Blairite Jim Murphy.Sunil_Prasannan said:
Scottish Labour won their highest percentage of Scottish seats under Blair, in 1997 and 2001.StuartDickson said:
Ha ha. I’m almost beginning to feel sorry for poor Anas.williamglenn said:Starmer urges Labour to embrace Blair’s legacy
https://www.ft.com/content/34ec43b9-5dcd-46cd-b284-093e8f13714d
GE Scots seats %seats Boss
1970 44/71 61.9% Wilson
1974F 40/71 56.3% Wilson
1974O 41/71 57.7% Wilson
1979 44/71 61.9% Callaghan
1983 41/72 56.9% Foot
1987 50/72 69.4% Kinnock
1992 49/72 68.1% Kinnock
1997 56/72 77.8% Blair
2001 56/72 77.8% Blair
2005 41/59 69.5% Blair
2010 41/59 69.5% Brown
2015 1/59 1.6% Miliband
2017 7/59 11.9% Corbyn
2019 1/59 1.6% Corbyn
It was also slightly higher than the 45% Sturgeon got in 2019.
Most Scots are not socialist but centrist, moderately social democratic1 -
Source?HYUFD said:
Thatcher got 31% in Scotland in 1979, higher than Davidson ever got and 28% in 1983, the same as May and Davidson got in 2017.StuartDickson said:
I dunno. A lot of people - eg Goldie, Davidson and Ross - have worked very hard over the last three decades to remove the stench of Thatcherism from the SCon brand. Johnson just befouled their efforts.Fairliered said:Can’t see Johnson’s comments having more than a very marginal effect in Scotland. May have more effect in the Red Wall.
But I agree that much, much more is at stake for the Tories in England’s Red Wall. A lot of northern Tories will be concerned tonight.
Even in 1987 she still got 24% which was more than Goldie and Ross ever got.
About a quarter to a third of Scots are Thatcherites, indeed when Salmond was SNP leader some Scottish Thatcherites voted SNP, especially in the North East0 -
Heathen!SandyRentool said:
That doesn't quite work for those of us who make their porridge with milk, not water.IshmaelZ said:
If you make porr*dge by soaking oats in the fr*dge overn*ght, and pour off the liquid in the morn*ng, you've got oatly, but cheaper.SandyRentool said:Just been in the kitchen to do some research.
Oatly does not have the word 'milk' on the carton.
Minor Figures use the term 'm*lk' .
Minor Figures Oat M*lk is available from Able & Cole, btw.
I prefer mil*0 -
I think you mean, "NO, NO, NO!"malcolmg said:
NOwilliamglenn said:
Isn't @malcolmg basically a Thatcherite?HYUFD said:
Thatcher got 31% in Scotland in 1979, higher than Davidson ever got and 28% in 1983, the same as May and Davidson got in 2017.StuartDickson said:
I dunno. A lot of people - eg Goldie, Davidson and Ross - have worked very hard over the last three decades to remove the stench of Thatcherism from the SCon brand. Johnson just befouled their efforts.Fairliered said:Can’t see Johnson’s comments having more than a very marginal effect in Scotland. May have more effect in the Red Wall.
But I agree that much, much more is at stake for the Tories in England’s Red Wall. A lot of northern Tories will be concerned tonight.
Even in 1987 she still got 24% which was more than Goldie and Ross ever got.
About a quarter to a third of Scots are Thatcherites, indeed when Salmond was SNP leader some Scottish Thatcherites voted SNP, especially in the North East1 -
Never even occurred to me water would be an option. There goes my chances in the World Porridge Making Championship.StuartDickson said:
Heathen!SandyRentool said:
That doesn't quite work for those of us who make their porridge with milk, not water.IshmaelZ said:
If you make porr*dge by soaking oats in the fr*dge overn*ght, and pour off the liquid in the morn*ng, you've got oatly, but cheaper.SandyRentool said:Just been in the kitchen to do some research.
Oatly does not have the word 'milk' on the carton.
Minor Figures use the term 'm*lk' .
Minor Figures Oat M*lk is available from Able & Cole, btw.
I prefer mil*0 -
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Can't sleep. Itchy eyes - so taking hay fever remedies.SussexJames said:
Fascinating intersection of views: I agree with @Cyclefree about the Booker generally (as I mentioned before, disagreeing with @TOPPING ), but disagree with her significantly over the Wolf Hall books, which I loved. I wonder if it is (for me, no idea for cyclefree), something to do with my familiarity with Shakespeare's style - I found the writing in Wolf Hall to be very Shakespearean, and hence very readable, and indeed voiceable: there are very clear distinctions between the rhythms and vocabulary of each of the main characters.Cyclefree said:
I am not wrong. Nor are you right.TOPPING said:
Nah. You're wrong on that one. She is or can be magnificent.Cyclefree said:
It's not a question of being right or wrong. It's a matter of taste. I just about finished the French Revolution one.TOPPING said:
Wrong on that. The Wolf Hall books are amazing. Not so keen on her French Revolution one that said but I forgive her, Mantel, all for the Cromwell ones.Cyclefree said:BTW on books Hilary Mantel must be one of the most overrated writers around. How she even got onto the Booker short list let alone won it twice is a mystery. I find her quite unreadable.
And whenever she's interviewed she comes across as most unpleasant as well.
That William Trevor never won the Booker is to the Booker's eternal discredit.
But Wolf Hall was just turgid. She has a little talent but maybe as a poet. Not a novelist. She badly needs a very good editor.
I very rarely leave a book unfinished. Mantel is one of the few. TBH I don't think the Booker is particularly reliable these days as a pick of good fiction.
And as mentioned earlier the Booker is a good steer for good literature. Not perfect but a good steer.
I am expressing my opinion. As are you. You like her writing. I don't.
But I do agree with cyclefree that both sides are equally right, and wrong - it's very subjective. I had a long conversation about books with a friend the other week - our tastes are very congruent, except that his favourite book is one I loathed. Doesn't mean we couldn't agree on every other book!
Anyway, I adore Shakespeare. Did a fair amount of acting when younger so very familiar with him. Also I love poetry generally. So I don't think it's that.
No - I couldn't work out who anyone was and after a while I stopped caring. She over-writes.
I have been giving fiction writing a lot of thought lately for various reasons. I remember the wonderful @SeanT (if only he were still here) saying that plotting was the hardest thing and he was right. Writing a good story, making people want to know what happens next is the essence of good fiction and too many writers fail at this. Any fool can write purple prose or even several pages of stylish English.
But telling a story - that's hard to do well.
BTW Rushdie is another writer I cannot get on with.1 -
The fact that the Tories never fell below a range of 24-31% in Scotland at the 1979-1987 general elections under Thatcher's leadership.StuartDickson said:
Source?HYUFD said:
Thatcher got 31% in Scotland in 1979, higher than Davidson ever got and 28% in 1983, the same as May and Davidson got in 2017.StuartDickson said:
I dunno. A lot of people - eg Goldie, Davidson and Ross - have worked very hard over the last three decades to remove the stench of Thatcherism from the SCon brand. Johnson just befouled their efforts.Fairliered said:Can’t see Johnson’s comments having more than a very marginal effect in Scotland. May have more effect in the Red Wall.
But I agree that much, much more is at stake for the Tories in England’s Red Wall. A lot of northern Tories will be concerned tonight.
Even in 1987 she still got 24% which was more than Goldie and Ross ever got.
About a quarter to a third of Scots are Thatcherites, indeed when Salmond was SNP leader some Scottish Thatcherites voted SNP, especially in the North East
Indeed the 31% Thatcher got in Scotland in 1979 has not been matched by a Tory leader since, whether Major, Davidson, May or Cameron.
Even the 25% Boris got in 2019 was also the second highest Tory total in Scotland since 1992 after 2017.
Some seats in the North East of Scotland like Moray and Banff and Buchan twice voted for Thatcher, then went solid SNP under Salmond and are back with Tory MPs again now the social democratic Sturgeon is SNP leader1 -
Sean, I’ve been reading your filth on PB long enough to recognise cant when I see it. You are beyond redemption.Leon said:
Well. If you want to talk ‘gratuitous unpleasantness’, this was the sequence of comments earlierStuartDickson said:
So, Sean’s not in the mood for desisting with the gratuitous unpleasantness. Glad we cleared that up.Leon said:
1. I'm not SeanStuartDickson said:
Nope. In the interests of balance, I expect you’re now going to tell Sean off for calling me a Nazi? Hardly seems proportionate for me pointing out that he has a well self-advertised alcohol problem.DavidL said:
You on the sauce yourself tonight Stuart? You are being quite gratuitously unpleasant.StuartDickson said:
Fat and drunk. You’re some catch Sean.Leon said:
It is honestly fantastic. Matthew Parris may be a mad Remainer but he is totally right about this. It is the best hot sauce in the world.Carnyx said:
Interesting!Leon said:
You strike me a bit of a gourmetCarnyx said:
Please don't. Aubergine, hot smoked salmon, capers and onions, with scrambled egg and tagliatelli, is a staple chez Carnyx.StuartDickson said:
Some reading for Fraser Nelson and his voyeurs:Nigelb said:
Self pleasuring to excess is undeniably emblematic of Spectator journalism, I suppose.Leon said:fpt on this Speccie thing
I have no dog in this fight, but that magazine has boasted some amazing writers in its 2 centuries of publication.
Douglas Murray went through ALL 200 years of them and chose the four best articles ever. And, when you read them, it is hard not to sit back with a certain awed, dumbstruck admiration. Just pure journalistic genius. The kind of stuff you cannot fake.
Occasionally, one simply has to stand, and applaud.
https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/four-of-the-best-spectator-pieces-i-ve-ever-read
“Frequent or rough masturbation can cause minor skin irritation. Forcefully bending an erect penis can rupture the chambers that fill with blood, a rare but gruesome condition called penile fracture.
Köhler has seen guys with it after vigorous masturbation. "Afterward, the penis looks like an eggplant," he says. "It's purple and swollen." Most men need surgery to repair it.”
Ouch! Take care Fraser!
https://www.webmd.com/men/guide/male-masturbation-5-things-you-didnt-know
Have you encountered Dr Trouble's hot chili sauce?
Matthew Parris has, apparently, been banging on about it for months. It's made in Zimbabwe of all places, and it is utter genius. Very smoky, very rich, must be used sparingly, but omg
https://www.amazon.co.uk/Dr-Trouble-African-Lemon-Chilli/dp/B07QVFYDBG?th=1
I prefer the double oak smoked chile to the lemon version. Both are Wow
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/dr-troubles-sauce-is-gift-that-keeps-on-giving-cm3thlbh6
I had a ham and cheese sourdough toastie the other day - thick lovely ham, tangy mature Cheddar, some tiger tomatoes, I took out the Dijon mustard and added Dr Trouble and flash fried the result
SENSATIONAL
2. lol
3. Earlier on you actually wished death on me, so, frankly, "blood-and-soil Scot Nat Nazi" seems like fair comment, especially as you, er, are
Leon said:
I just want to spend the rest of my life drinking Nyetimber rose
Is that too much to ask of a cruel, cold world?
Foxy said:
I reckon half a case could do it if you drink quickly.
Stuart Dickson said:
One lives in hope.
So, I made a gag about drinking away my life with my favourite fizz. Foxy said, well this is how to do it quickly. You fervently wished that that my death would happen this way, soon
Foxy, being a gent, quickly apologised for crossing a line. I accepted his apology because, Lord knows, I’ve also said some stupid, callous things on here, and been rightly criticised. By contrast, you have not the self awareness to apologise, perhaps you lack the wits to even see what happened
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I'm quite partial to ketchup.StuartDickson said:
Source?HYUFD said:
Thatcher got 31% in Scotland in 1979, higher than Davidson ever got and 28% in 1983, the same as May and Davidson got in 2017.StuartDickson said:
I dunno. A lot of people - eg Goldie, Davidson and Ross - have worked very hard over the last three decades to remove the stench of Thatcherism from the SCon brand. Johnson just befouled their efforts.Fairliered said:Can’t see Johnson’s comments having more than a very marginal effect in Scotland. May have more effect in the Red Wall.
But I agree that much, much more is at stake for the Tories in England’s Red Wall. A lot of northern Tories will be concerned tonight.
Even in 1987 she still got 24% which was more than Goldie and Ross ever got.
About a quarter to a third of Scots are Thatcherites, indeed when Salmond was SNP leader some Scottish Thatcherites voted SNP, especially in the North East2 -
I think you mean vegans!StuartDickson said:
So, millions of vegetarians are getting right royally ripped off at the supermarkets? Ya don’t say? I’m shocked I tell ya.IshmaelZ said:
If you make porr*dge by soaking oats in the fr*dge overn*ght, and pour off the liquid in the morn*ng, you've got oatly, but cheaper.SandyRentool said:Just been in the kitchen to do some research.
Oatly does not have the word 'milk' on the carton.
Minor Figures use the term 'm*lk' .
Minor Figures Oat M*lk is available from Able & Cole, btw.
I prefer mil*0 -
“So, she was a child when she married? Interesting. Maybe Prince Andrew was involved?”Theuniondivvie said:Onywye, speaking of books..
https://twitter.com/bmay/status/1423404883177353217?s=20
Frau Sachsen-Coburg und Gotha won’t be too impressed.0 -
Simon Gleave, head of sports analysis, Nielsen Gracenote: "Tokyo 2020 is now Great Britain's fourth best Olympics and second best outside the UK, after Rio 2016. The 51 medals are seven ahead of the number our pre-Olympic forecast had at this stage. Galal Yafai is also guaranteed gold or silver so we have adjusted our projected British medal total upwards to 60, including 18 gold medals as the number of golds is now four ahead of schedule.
"Only London 1908 (146 medals), London 2012 (65) and Rio 2016 (67) have produced more medals for Great Britain than Tokyo 2020.
"Compared to London and Rio at this stage, Tokyo has not produced as many medals with 52 in London and 55 in Rio by this point.
"The 16 golds won so far fall well short of London's 25 and Rio's 22 at this stage."0 -
He also improved with age. (Until the last half dozen books.)turbotubbs said:
It was revealing how long it took for Terry Pratchett to achieve the acclaim he deserved because of the fantasy tag.kle4 said:
I shall remember that whilst extolling the virtues of fantasy and sci-fi novelsCyclefree said:
I am not wrong. Nor are you right.TOPPING said:
Nah. You're wrong on that one. She is or can be magnificent.Cyclefree said:
It's not a question of being right or wrong. It's a matter of taste. I just about finished the French Revolution one.TOPPING said:
Wrong on that. The Wolf Hall books are amazing. Not so keen on her French Revolution one that said but I forgive her, Mantel, all for the Cromwell ones.Cyclefree said:BTW on books Hilary Mantel must be one of the most overrated writers around. How she even got onto the Booker short list let alone won it twice is a mystery. I find her quite unreadable.
And whenever she's interviewed she comes across as most unpleasant as well.
That William Trevor never won the Booker is to the Booker's eternal discredit.
But Wolf Hall was just turgid. She has a little talent but maybe as a poet. Not a novelist. She badly needs a very good editor.
I very rarely leave a book unfinished. Mantel is one of the few. TBH I don't think the Booker is particularly reliable these days as a pick of good fiction.
And as mentioned earlier the Booker is a good steer for good literature. Not perfect but a good steer.
I am expressing my opinion. As are you. You like her writing. I don't.1 -
While I hope it’s true, it is worth noting that Mr Soriot is not impartial, and all the data so far suggests Pfizer has greater efficacy against Delta.FrancisUrquhart said:AstraZeneca vaccine ‘may give longer immunity’ meaning Covid booster jabs could be unnecessary, suggests boss of UK drugs giant
Mr Soriot said: ‘We hope that the Oxford-AstraZeneca will provide longer term protection. The science so far suggests that our vaccine provides a strong T cell response which I hope means its effects will last longer. So, it looks good but we don’t yet know for sure whether you will need a booster. Time will tell.’
AstraZeneca believes it will have authoritative data by October or November.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9866531/AstraZeneca-vaccine-longer-immunity-suggests-boss-UK-drugs-giant.html
Pseudo scientific quasi-effective nonsense....1 -
60% of Wolf Hall was brilliant. But man it was hard work wading through the 40% that wasn’tCyclefree said:
I am not wrong. Nor are you right.TOPPING said:
Nah. You're wrong on that one. She is or can be magnificent.Cyclefree said:
It's not a question of being right or wrong. It's a matter of taste. I just about finished the French Revolution one.TOPPING said:
Wrong on that. The Wolf Hall books are amazing. Not so keen on her French Revolution one that said but I forgive her, Mantel, all for the Cromwell ones.Cyclefree said:BTW on books Hilary Mantel must be one of the most overrated writers around. How she even got onto the Booker short list let alone won it twice is a mystery. I find her quite unreadable.
And whenever she's interviewed she comes across as most unpleasant as well.
That William Trevor never won the Booker is to the Booker's eternal discredit.
But Wolf Hall was just turgid. She has a little talent but maybe as a poet. Not a novelist. She badly needs a very good editor.
I very rarely leave a book unfinished. Mantel is one of the few. TBH I don't think the Booker is particularly reliable these days as a pick of good fiction.
And as mentioned earlier the Booker is a good steer for good literature. Not perfect but a good steer.
I am expressing my opinion. As are you. You like her writing. I don't.1 -
50km slow running...i mean speed walking...why....1
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Obviously, but at the same time, throwing out unsubstantiated claims, without having seen some data that looks good, opens yourself up to loss of reputation. Given how bad AZN has been unfairly tarnished it would be very risky to start making promises like this without being pretty confident.rcs1000 said:
While I hope it’s true, it is worth noting that Mr Soriot is not impartial, and all the data so far suggests Pfizer has greater efficacy against Delta.FrancisUrquhart said:AstraZeneca vaccine ‘may give longer immunity’ meaning Covid booster jabs could be unnecessary, suggests boss of UK drugs giant
Mr Soriot said: ‘We hope that the Oxford-AstraZeneca will provide longer term protection. The science so far suggests that our vaccine provides a strong T cell response which I hope means its effects will last longer. So, it looks good but we don’t yet know for sure whether you will need a booster. Time will tell.’
AstraZeneca believes it will have authoritative data by October or November.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9866531/AstraZeneca-vaccine-longer-immunity-suggests-boss-UK-drugs-giant.html
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Well after the earlier discussion, i have treated myself to a case of Nyetimber....because life is too short.2
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BBC News - Apple to scan iPhones for child sex abuse images
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It is a bit, er, mince.FrancisUrquhart said:50km slow running...i mean speed walking...why....
The French are having none of it.0 -
I’ve never met a pharmaceutical CEO that wasn’t incredibly bullish about the prospective efficacy of his products relative to competitors. There’s no mileage in modest self effacement.FrancisUrquhart said:
Obviously, but at the same time, throwing out unsubstantiated claims, without having seen some data that looks good, opens yourself up to loss of reputation. Given how bad AZN has been unfairly tarnished it would be very risky to start making promises like this without being pretty confident.rcs1000 said:
While I hope it’s true, it is worth noting that Mr Soriot is not impartial, and all the data so far suggests Pfizer has greater efficacy against Delta.FrancisUrquhart said:AstraZeneca vaccine ‘may give longer immunity’ meaning Covid booster jabs could be unnecessary, suggests boss of UK drugs giant
Mr Soriot said: ‘We hope that the Oxford-AstraZeneca will provide longer term protection. The science so far suggests that our vaccine provides a strong T cell response which I hope means its effects will last longer. So, it looks good but we don’t yet know for sure whether you will need a booster. Time will tell.’
AstraZeneca believes it will have authoritative data by October or November.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9866531/AstraZeneca-vaccine-longer-immunity-suggests-boss-UK-drugs-giant.html
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Have you ever met Fred Schwarzer?rcs1000 said:
I’ve never met a pharmaceutical CEO that wasn’t incredibly bullish about the prospective efficacy of his products relative to competitors. There’s no mileage in modest self effacement.FrancisUrquhart said:
Obviously, but at the same time, throwing out unsubstantiated claims, without having seen some data that looks good, opens yourself up to loss of reputation. Given how bad AZN has been unfairly tarnished it would be very risky to start making promises like this without being pretty confident.rcs1000 said:
While I hope it’s true, it is worth noting that Mr Soriot is not impartial, and all the data so far suggests Pfizer has greater efficacy against Delta.FrancisUrquhart said:AstraZeneca vaccine ‘may give longer immunity’ meaning Covid booster jabs could be unnecessary, suggests boss of UK drugs giant
Mr Soriot said: ‘We hope that the Oxford-AstraZeneca will provide longer term protection. The science so far suggests that our vaccine provides a strong T cell response which I hope means its effects will last longer. So, it looks good but we don’t yet know for sure whether you will need a booster. Time will tell.’
AstraZeneca believes it will have authoritative data by October or November.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9866531/AstraZeneca-vaccine-longer-immunity-suggests-boss-UK-drugs-giant.html
Pseudo scientific quasi-effective nonsense....
He is going to change the world of medicine for ever… but in a lovely self-depreciating and modest way.0 -
It’s a good thing Theranos wasn’t around at the start of the pandemic.rcs1000 said:
I’ve never met a pharmaceutical CEO that wasn’t incredibly bullish about the prospective efficacy of his products relative to competitors. There’s no mileage in modest self effacement.FrancisUrquhart said:
Obviously, but at the same time, throwing out unsubstantiated claims, without having seen some data that looks good, opens yourself up to loss of reputation. Given how bad AZN has been unfairly tarnished it would be very risky to start making promises like this without being pretty confident.rcs1000 said:
While I hope it’s true, it is worth noting that Mr Soriot is not impartial, and all the data so far suggests Pfizer has greater efficacy against Delta.FrancisUrquhart said:AstraZeneca vaccine ‘may give longer immunity’ meaning Covid booster jabs could be unnecessary, suggests boss of UK drugs giant
Mr Soriot said: ‘We hope that the Oxford-AstraZeneca will provide longer term protection. The science so far suggests that our vaccine provides a strong T cell response which I hope means its effects will last longer. So, it looks good but we don’t yet know for sure whether you will need a booster. Time will tell.’
AstraZeneca believes it will have authoritative data by October or November.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9866531/AstraZeneca-vaccine-longer-immunity-suggests-boss-UK-drugs-giant.html
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Ugh. That thought is going to stop me sleeping tonight, you b*stardwilliamglenn said:
It’s a good thing Theranos wasn’t around at the start of the pandemic.rcs1000 said:
I’ve never met a pharmaceutical CEO that wasn’t incredibly bullish about the prospective efficacy of his products relative to competitors. There’s no mileage in modest self effacement.FrancisUrquhart said:
Obviously, but at the same time, throwing out unsubstantiated claims, without having seen some data that looks good, opens yourself up to loss of reputation. Given how bad AZN has been unfairly tarnished it would be very risky to start making promises like this without being pretty confident.rcs1000 said:
While I hope it’s true, it is worth noting that Mr Soriot is not impartial, and all the data so far suggests Pfizer has greater efficacy against Delta.FrancisUrquhart said:AstraZeneca vaccine ‘may give longer immunity’ meaning Covid booster jabs could be unnecessary, suggests boss of UK drugs giant
Mr Soriot said: ‘We hope that the Oxford-AstraZeneca will provide longer term protection. The science so far suggests that our vaccine provides a strong T cell response which I hope means its effects will last longer. So, it looks good but we don’t yet know for sure whether you will need a booster. Time will tell.’
AstraZeneca believes it will have authoritative data by October or November.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9866531/AstraZeneca-vaccine-longer-immunity-suggests-boss-UK-drugs-giant.html
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“Guards! Guards!” and “Small Gods”, particularly the latter, may be his best books, and they were pretty early.rcs1000 said:
He also improved with age. (Until the last half dozen books.)turbotubbs said:
It was revealing how long it took for Terry Pratchett to achieve the acclaim he deserved because of the fantasy tag.kle4 said:
I shall remember that whilst extolling the virtues of fantasy and sci-fi novelsCyclefree said:
I am not wrong. Nor are you right.TOPPING said:
Nah. You're wrong on that one. She is or can be magnificent.Cyclefree said:
It's not a question of being right or wrong. It's a matter of taste. I just about finished the French Revolution one.TOPPING said:
Wrong on that. The Wolf Hall books are amazing. Not so keen on her French Revolution one that said but I forgive her, Mantel, all for the Cromwell ones.Cyclefree said:BTW on books Hilary Mantel must be one of the most overrated writers around. How she even got onto the Booker short list let alone won it twice is a mystery. I find her quite unreadable.
And whenever she's interviewed she comes across as most unpleasant as well.
That William Trevor never won the Booker is to the Booker's eternal discredit.
But Wolf Hall was just turgid. She has a little talent but maybe as a poet. Not a novelist. She badly needs a very good editor.
I very rarely leave a book unfinished. Mantel is one of the few. TBH I don't think the Booker is particularly reliable these days as a pick of good fiction.
And as mentioned earlier the Booker is a good steer for good literature. Not perfect but a good steer.
I am expressing my opinion. As are you. You like her writing. I don't.0 -
Totally full flights (n=4). Airports are rammed. No one wearing masks in the great state of Georgia. Atmosphere in Texas a bit flat, and just heading home to Socal after two days on the road0
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What the bloody hell is this karate dancing?0
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Don’t worry - it will be gone by the next Olympics.FrancisUrquhart said:What the bloody hell is this karate dancing?
Along with the proper stuff.0 -
The administrative details of this are disputed, but it’s nonetheless a very disturbing story.
Shocking case where a PhD student was deregistered from his study at a Swiss university - wasting three years of research - after tweeting critically on China. He had been tweeting less than ten days and had fewer than 10 followers
https://twitter.com/limlouisa/status/14234006516361666562 -
Official Twitter of the San Francisco Police Department Traffic Safety....
On 7/11/2021, During an illegal exhibition of speed event at Barneveld & McKinnon, a passenger leaned out of a Cadi holding an AK47;
https://twitter.com/SFTrafficSafety/status/1423072116753137665?s=20
Standard.0 -
https://mobile.twitter.com/BroodXGenetics/status/1423162100294246404FrancisUrquhart said:Official Twitter of the San Francisco Police Department Traffic Safety....
On 7/11/2021, During an illegal exhibition of speed event at Barneveld & McKinnon, a passenger leaned out of a Cadi holding an AK47;
https://twitter.com/SFTrafficSafety/status/1423072116753137665?s=20
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Not the first time I've seen this suggested on here either. I suspect overall the likeliest best approach will turn out to be a mix of both types of vaccine. However AZT is clealry the best according to my arm!FrancisUrquhart said:
Obviously, but at the same time, throwing out unsubstantiated claims, without having seen some data that looks good, opens yourself up to loss of reputation. Given how bad AZN has been unfairly tarnished it would be very risky to start making promises like this without being pretty confident.rcs1000 said:
While I hope it’s true, it is worth noting that Mr Soriot is not impartial, and all the data so far suggests Pfizer has greater efficacy against Delta.FrancisUrquhart said:AstraZeneca vaccine ‘may give longer immunity’ meaning Covid booster jabs could be unnecessary, suggests boss of UK drugs giant
Mr Soriot said: ‘We hope that the Oxford-AstraZeneca will provide longer term protection. The science so far suggests that our vaccine provides a strong T cell response which I hope means its effects will last longer. So, it looks good but we don’t yet know for sure whether you will need a booster. Time will tell.’
AstraZeneca believes it will have authoritative data by October or November.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9866531/AstraZeneca-vaccine-longer-immunity-suggests-boss-UK-drugs-giant.html
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On the subject of "historical" novels and the Booker prize, Tyll by Daniel Kehlmann, shortlisted for the 2020 International Booker, is a brilliant novel set in the Thirty Years War. Elizabeth Stuart (the "Winter Queen") is one of the main characters, if you like a connection to British history.Charles said:
60% of Wolf Hall was brilliant. But man it was hard work wading through the 40% that wasn’tCyclefree said:
I am not wrong. Nor are you right.TOPPING said:
Nah. You're wrong on that one. She is or can be magnificent.Cyclefree said:
It's not a question of being right or wrong. It's a matter of taste. I just about finished the French Revolution one.TOPPING said:
Wrong on that. The Wolf Hall books are amazing. Not so keen on her French Revolution one that said but I forgive her, Mantel, all for the Cromwell ones.Cyclefree said:BTW on books Hilary Mantel must be one of the most overrated writers around. How she even got onto the Booker short list let alone won it twice is a mystery. I find her quite unreadable.
And whenever she's interviewed she comes across as most unpleasant as well.
That William Trevor never won the Booker is to the Booker's eternal discredit.
But Wolf Hall was just turgid. She has a little talent but maybe as a poet. Not a novelist. She badly needs a very good editor.
I very rarely leave a book unfinished. Mantel is one of the few. TBH I don't think the Booker is particularly reliable these days as a pick of good fiction.
And as mentioned earlier the Booker is a good steer for good literature. Not perfect but a good steer.
I am expressing my opinion. As are you. You like her writing. I don't.2 -
BBC News - Australia borders: Citizens living overseas could be 'trapped' if they return
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I've been heavily restricted by three bookmakers, more for horses than politics, perhaps, but the books are so trigger-happy these days I'm not sure it is such a badge of honour any more.DougSeal said:
That’s nothing. I’m such a successful political punter that I’m paid seven figure sums to both refrain from it and refrain from giving tips on it. So successful am I that I am forced to hide behind the assumed identity of a semi aquatic marine mammal that practices labour law while laughing at you amateurs on here. Stick around Dickson, I might teach you a few things.StuartDickson said:
I love it how punters are always so willing to tell you about the ones they guessed right, but never about the long list of failures. Stopped clocks.TheScreamingEagles said:
I accurately forecast that Scotland would vote No in 2014 when you said the clueless wonders on here were in for a shock. I believe 55% of Scots constitutes a majority of Scots.StuartDickson said:
Yeah, that’s right, BritNats like you are so in tune with “the majority of Scots”.TheScreamingEagles said:
There you go again.StuartDickson said:
British Nationalism: The home of Jockophobia..TheScreamingEagles said:
Scottish Nationalism: The home of transphobia.StuartDickson said:
Well, it wouldn’t be a woman’s penis.squareroot2 said:I just accidentally clicked on Johnson on the thread header and the dictionary defined it as a man's penis.. interesting if spooky....
Conflating criticism of the SNP with criticism of Scotland.
Fortunately the majority of Scots know that too.
I also accurately predicted that Alba would do shite in the Holyrood elections when one of your fellow Nats was predicting 12%-14% minimum for Alba on the list.
I also successfully tipped the SCons would get over 9.5 seats in 2017 at 20/1.
I’m such a successful political punter that I’m typically restricted to max wagers of about 50p. The very fact that you’re still allowed to bet shows that the bookies are winning.0 -
OT Entain (owners of Ladbrokes and Corals among others) shares have shot up recently. Not sure why and this is not a tip, from someone who has never owned any shares.0
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I have been meaning to buy that for ages. You have push me finally into doing so, thanks!kamski said:
On the subject of "historical" novels and the Booker prize, Tyll by Daniel Kehlmann, shortlisted for the 2020 International Booker, is a brilliant novel set in the Thirty Years War. Elizabeth Stuart (the "Winter Queen") is one of the main characters, if you like a connection to British history.Charles said:
60% of Wolf Hall was brilliant. But man it was hard work wading through the 40% that wasn’tCyclefree said:
I am not wrong. Nor are you right.TOPPING said:
Nah. You're wrong on that one. She is or can be magnificent.Cyclefree said:
It's not a question of being right or wrong. It's a matter of taste. I just about finished the French Revolution one.TOPPING said:
Wrong on that. The Wolf Hall books are amazing. Not so keen on her French Revolution one that said but I forgive her, Mantel, all for the Cromwell ones.Cyclefree said:BTW on books Hilary Mantel must be one of the most overrated writers around. How she even got onto the Booker short list let alone won it twice is a mystery. I find her quite unreadable.
And whenever she's interviewed she comes across as most unpleasant as well.
That William Trevor never won the Booker is to the Booker's eternal discredit.
But Wolf Hall was just turgid. She has a little talent but maybe as a poet. Not a novelist. She badly needs a very good editor.
I very rarely leave a book unfinished. Mantel is one of the few. TBH I don't think the Booker is particularly reliable these days as a pick of good fiction.
And as mentioned earlier the Booker is a good steer for good literature. Not perfect but a good steer.
I am expressing my opinion. As are you. You like her writing. I don't.0 -
I haven't looked closely but I think the opening up of the US market is a big boon - the UK bookies are world leaders in the organised gambling marketDecrepiterJohnL said:OT Entain (owners of Ladbrokes and Corals among others) shares have shot up recently. Not sure why and this is not a tip, from someone who has never owned any shares.
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Good morning, everyone.
Mr. JohnL, I agree with Mr. Ed but would add that Canada recently passed the last legislative hurdle to legalising single event sports betting and Entain's involved with something like BetMGM (think it's them) who just hired Wayne Gretzky (NHL Canadian superstar of yesteryear) to push sports betting in Canada.1 -
R4 saying most Scottish papers leading with BJ gaffe. Meanwhile a reminder of how Scotch oldsters who tend to vote feel about that sort of thing.
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Drinking fizz in the first place, unless you have an excuse like a social celebration, is just naff, and reveals someone ignorant about wineRichard_Nabavi said:
Pink champagne is something to serve your mistress, if you have one, or are hoping to acquire one. Otherwise stick with the white, in general. There are a few exceptions.Leon said:
Yes!Richard_Nabavi said:
It's really good, isn't it? It was served at a posh reception I went to. I had no idea what they were serving, and I feared the worst. In general, anything pink and sparkling is either revolting, or at best an inferior but more expensive version of the equivalent sparkling white. As soon as I tried it I realised it was in a different league.Leon said:I just want to spend the rest of my life drinking Nyetimber rose
Is that too much to ask of a cruel, cold world?
In fact sparkling pinks are a particular strength of English wine producers. Balfour Hush Heath is another real goody, albeit so pale as to be scarcely a rosé.
For me "pink champagne" or "blush whatever" has always meant something too sweet, too girly, but maybe fun in the sun, let's have a laugh, very forgettable
Nyetimber Rose is exceptional. It's actually better than their classic cuvee "white" English Fizz (which is already excellent). It's an amazing wine right now. I cannot think of a champagne that compares. Yes it costs but this is actually a £35 bottle that is worth every penny1 -
Morning all. one for the PB brain trust...
Last week I accidentally smashed up my phone with a hammer after taking out the sim & burning it. I've now replaced both but my WhatsApp timeline is still there & I can't seem to accidentally delete it. Can anyone at @Conservatives HQ help? I'm in court on Monday so it's urgent.
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A few Scottish Tories have their heads in their hands tonight, after what they thought had been a decent first trip to Scotland since January.
Being described as an “unforced error”, “not helpful” and “crass”
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-58107009 https://twitter.com/nickeardleybbc/status/1423339171444367362
Welsh FM Mark Drakeford on @BBCr4today: “Those remarks are both crass and offensive. The damage done to Welsh coal mine areas was incalculable” https://twitter.com/nickeardleybbc/status/14233605255520051201 -
He doesn’t need CCO, he needs Bugs Bunny. He knew WhatsApp Doc.Scott_xP said:Morning all. one for the PB brain trust...
Last week I accidentally smashed up my phone with a hammer after taking out the sim & burning it. I've now replaced both but my WhatsApp timeline is still there & I can't seem to accidentally delete it. Can anyone at @Conservatives HQ help? I'm in court on Monday so it's urgent.
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Won't anyone think of the children? Apple has announced plans to scan users' iphones for child sex abuse material. And a jolly good thing too. It would never be misused to scan for articles critical of Belarusan Olympic sprint coaching or photos of the Bullingdon Club.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-58109748
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Although serious as it was, it was rather less serious than the damage inflicted on them by years of fraud, mismanagement, nepotism and naked corruption by the local Labour led councils.Scott_xP said:A few Scottish Tories have their heads in their hands tonight, after what they thought had been a decent first trip to Scotland since January.
Being described as an “unforced error”, “not helpful” and “crass”
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-58107009 https://twitter.com/nickeardleybbc/status/1423339171444367362
Welsh FM Mark Drakeford on @BBCr4today: “Those remarks are both crass and offensive. The damage done to Welsh coal mine areas was incalculable” https://twitter.com/nickeardleybbc/status/1423360525552005120
Which Drakeford, as a beneficiary of those systems, strangely never seems to be willing to deal with.0 -
Quote from Steve Baker MP: “Politicians need to level with the public about the scale of change needed in our lives so we don’t have another political fiasco like Brexit.”0
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They want to be careful with that, because under the law as it stands in this country such actions as Apple describes would in themselves be considered child pornography offences.DecrepiterJohnL said:Won't anyone think of the children? Apple has announced plans to scan users' iphones for child sex abuse material. And a jolly good thing too. It would never be misused to scan for articles critical of Belarusan Olympic sprint coaching or photos of the Bullingdon Club.
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This is the problem with the burner phones line that PB Tories were anxious to shut down on the last thread. Not that people do not understand the term burner phone but that many will be unaware of the story about ministers' unofficial lines of communication. That can change.Scott_xP said:Morning all. one for the PB brain trust...
Last week I accidentally smashed up my phone with a hammer after taking out the sim & burning it. I've now replaced both but my WhatsApp timeline is still there & I can't seem to accidentally delete it. Can anyone at @Conservatives HQ help? I'm in court on Monday so it's urgent.
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Indeed. Laws brought in to stop file sharing of child pornography would almost certainly be engaged.ydoethur said:
They want to be careful with that, because under the law as it stands in this country such actions as Apple describes would in themselves be considered child pornography offences.DecrepiterJohnL said:Won't anyone think of the children? Apple has announced plans to scan users' iphones for child sex abuse material. And a jolly good thing too. It would never be misused to scan for articles critical of Belarusan Olympic sprint coaching or photos of the Bullingdon Club.
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So the Olympic track was specifically designed to be bouncy and hence easier to run fast along.
Why don't they just have one that moves forward like a travolator, and be done with it?0 -
A significant part of Boris's undoubted political genius is that he provokes all the right people to behave in a po-faced sanctimonious and censorious manner. He has done it all his career and it is a major reason why non Tories will vote for him.ydoethur said:
Although serious as it was, it was rather less serious than the damage inflicted on them by years of fraud, mismanagement, nepotism and naked corruption by the local Labour led councils.Scott_xP said:A few Scottish Tories have their heads in their hands tonight, after what they thought had been a decent first trip to Scotland since January.
Being described as an “unforced error”, “not helpful” and “crass”
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-58107009 https://twitter.com/nickeardleybbc/status/1423339171444367362
Welsh FM Mark Drakeford on @BBCr4today: “Those remarks are both crass and offensive. The damage done to Welsh coal mine areas was incalculable” https://twitter.com/nickeardleybbc/status/1423360525552005120
Which Drakeford, as a beneficiary of those systems, strangely never seems to be willing to deal with.1 -
In fairness I think that all Olympic tracks have been designed that way for the last 20 years or so. People want records.IanB2 said:So the Olympic track was specifically designed to be bouncy and hence easier to run fast along.
Why don't they just have one that moves forward like a travolator, and be done with it?1 -
Wow Australia has actually become an island version of Hotel California. What a ridiculously stupid decision and setting an arbitrary and probably impossible to reach 80% population vaccination rate to reopen the border is storing up huge problems for when they inevitably don't reach it. Even if Pfizer is extended down to 8 years old they'd need >90% uptake. We're unlikely to get there and we're one of the least vaccine hesitant nations in the world.0
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What is 'amusing', from a somewhat cynical point of view is that up until now the Conservative 'defence' on the closure of coal mines has been that more were closed under Labour!DavidL said:
A significant part of Boris's undoubted political genius is that he provokes all the right people to behave in a po-faced sanctimonious and censorious manner. He has done it all his career and it is a major reason why non Tories will vote for him.ydoethur said:
Although serious as it was, it was rather less serious than the damage inflicted on them by years of fraud, mismanagement, nepotism and naked corruption by the local Labour led councils.Scott_xP said:A few Scottish Tories have their heads in their hands tonight, after what they thought had been a decent first trip to Scotland since January.
Being described as an “unforced error”, “not helpful” and “crass”
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-58107009 https://twitter.com/nickeardleybbc/status/1423339171444367362
Welsh FM Mark Drakeford on @BBCr4today: “Those remarks are both crass and offensive. The damage done to Welsh coal mine areas was incalculable” https://twitter.com/nickeardleybbc/status/1423360525552005120
Which Drakeford, as a beneficiary of those systems, strangely never seems to be willing to deal with.
And Good morning everybody. 15.6C this morning but, sadly, the forecast locally is for rain and, indeed, thunder. And we have an interesting match at our local cricket club today, which Mrs C and I were planning to attend.0 -
iIanB2 said:
Drinking fizz in the first place, unless you have an excuse like a social celebration, is just naff, and reveals someone ignorant about wineRichard_Nabavi said:
Pink champagne is something to serve your mistress, if you have one, or are hoping to acquire one. Otherwise stick with the white, in general. There are a few exceptions.Leon said:
Yes!Richard_Nabavi said:
It's really good, isn't it? It was served at a posh reception I went to. I had no idea what they were serving, and I feared the worst. In general, anything pink and sparkling is either revolting, or at best an inferior but more expensive version of the equivalent sparkling white. As soon as I tried it I realised it was in a different league.Leon said:I just want to spend the rest of my life drinking Nyetimber rose
Is that too much to ask of a cruel, cold world?
In fact sparkling pinks are a particular strength of English wine producers. Balfour Hush Heath is another real goody, albeit so pale as to be scarcely a rosé.
For me "pink champagne" or "blush whatever" has always meant something too sweet, too girly, but maybe fun in the sun, let's have a laugh, very forgettable
Nyetimber Rose is exceptional. It's actually better than their classic cuvee "white" English Fizz (which is already excellent). It's an amazing wine right now. I cannot think of a champagne that compares. Yes it costs but this is actually a £35 bottle that is worth every penny
My wife is rather fond of champagne but I will normally switch to a dry white after a glass or so as she clearly enjoys it far more than I do. But like all these things, and indeed the books discussed overnight, there are no rules worth following, simply individual preferences.2 -
What they do is not look at any images or videos but just take what is called the hash value of the file (basically they do some sums based on the bytes occupied by the file to get a single number) then compare that number with a list of known numbers provided by the FBI. A similar approach has long been used to detect computer viruses.DavidL said:
Indeed. Laws brought in to stop file sharing of child pornography would almost certainly be engaged.ydoethur said:
They want to be careful with that, because under the law as it stands in this country such actions as Apple describes would in themselves be considered child pornography offences.DecrepiterJohnL said:Won't anyone think of the children? Apple has announced plans to scan users' iphones for child sex abuse material. And a jolly good thing too. It would never be misused to scan for articles critical of Belarusan Olympic sprint coaching or photos of the Bullingdon Club.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-58109748
And it would be easy to extend that to detect videos of ISIL decapitation videos or bomb-making instructions. That's good too right? Then pirated Radiohead videos or Hollywood films.
Next it will be material critical of the government. Not our government, of course, except for that copyrighted Bullingdon photo, but what about China, Russia or many Middle East countries?0 -
They've seen my plans to go all in on Brighton winning the Premier League.DecrepiterJohnL said:OT Entain (owners of Ladbrokes and Corals among others) shares have shot up recently. Not sure why and this is not a tip, from someone who has never owned any shares.
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But that has been the case, probably, since the modern Olympics began. Improvements in running surfaces and shoes haven't been quite so dramatic, but were undoubtedly there.IanB2 said:So the Olympic track was specifically designed to be bouncy and hence easier to run fast along.
Why don't they just have one that moves forward like a travolator, and be done with it?3 -
You're way off the mark Mike. I am surprised at your write up.
Clarification: climate change "benefit" was an unintentended consequence of the Thatcher pit closures. It wasn't anywhere in Thatcher's reasoning to close the pits.
This is a clever re-writing of history and you've fallen for it Mike.
(Under her tenure Carbon emissions went up by the way not down, even with the pit closures, so she didn't help in this context in any way, intended or unintended).
Pity we're not on the train anymore this would have been a good bant!
You've been had Mike.0 -
Non Scots non Tories you mean, presumably?DavidL said:
A significant part of Boris's undoubted political genius is that he provokes all the right people to behave in a po-faced sanctimonious and censorious manner. He has done it all his career and it is a major reason why non Tories will vote for him.ydoethur said:
Although serious as it was, it was rather less serious than the damage inflicted on them by years of fraud, mismanagement, nepotism and naked corruption by the local Labour led councils.Scott_xP said:A few Scottish Tories have their heads in their hands tonight, after what they thought had been a decent first trip to Scotland since January.
Being described as an “unforced error”, “not helpful” and “crass”
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-58107009 https://twitter.com/nickeardleybbc/status/1423339171444367362
Welsh FM Mark Drakeford on @BBCr4today: “Those remarks are both crass and offensive. The damage done to Welsh coal mine areas was incalculable” https://twitter.com/nickeardleybbc/status/1423360525552005120
Which Drakeford, as a beneficiary of those systems, strangely never seems to be willing to deal with.0 -
Yes. Nothing new of course – we no longer have cinder tracks like Roger Bannister's. My own theory is this is also why there have been so many fouls in long jumps and pole vaults – the run-ups are sped up by the tracks and this is throwing off the athletes' timings. It could be complete nonsense, of course.IanB2 said:So the Olympic track was specifically designed to be bouncy and hence easier to run fast along.
Why don't they just have one that moves forward like a travolator, and be done with it?0 -
In Apple's case, it's possibly to forestall demands from US law enforcement for broader access to users' data - backed by the same 'for the children', and 'terrorism' arguments.DecrepiterJohnL said:Won't anyone think of the children? Apple has announced plans to scan users' iphones for child sex abuse material. And a jolly good thing too. It would never be misused to scan for articles critical of Belarusan Olympic sprint coaching or photos of the Bullingdon Club.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-58109748
They are a long, long way from perfect, but have a better record than most for protecting users' privacy.2 -
On shoes, there was an article by the Telegraph's athletics correspondent saying he knocked a whole minute off his 5k (athletes don't say km!) time simply by changing to new running shoes.Nigelb said:
But that has been the case, probably, since the modern Olympics began. Improvements in running surfaces and shoes haven't been quite so dramatic, but were undoubtedly there.IanB2 said:So the Olympic track was specifically designed to be bouncy and hence easier to run fast along.
Why don't they just have one that moves forward like a travolator, and be done with it?0 -
At the risk of the banhammer who on earth wants a pirated Radiohead video? Surely only the most...no, I'll stop there.DecrepiterJohnL said:
What they do is not look at any images or videos but just take what is called the hash value of the file (basically they do some sums based on the bytes occupied by the file to get a single number) then compare that number with a list of known numbers provided by the FBI. A similar approach has long been used to detect computer viruses.DavidL said:
Indeed. Laws brought in to stop file sharing of child pornography would almost certainly be engaged.ydoethur said:
They want to be careful with that, because under the law as it stands in this country such actions as Apple describes would in themselves be considered child pornography offences.DecrepiterJohnL said:Won't anyone think of the children? Apple has announced plans to scan users' iphones for child sex abuse material. And a jolly good thing too. It would never be misused to scan for articles critical of Belarusan Olympic sprint coaching or photos of the Bullingdon Club.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-58109748
And it would be easy to extend that to detect videos of ISIL decapitation videos or bomb-making instructions. That's good too right? Then pirated Radiohead videos or Hollywood films.
Next it will be material critical of the government. Not our government, of course, except for that copyrighted Bullingdon photo, but what about China, Russia or many Middle East countries?
The thing to watch with our legislation, mainly in the Protection of Children Act 1978 as amended, is that it was written by people whose understanding of this technology was almost certainly not as sophisticated as yours but were very determined to make it as comprehensive as possible.1 -
Genuinely misread the name of their operating system as iPedOS which seems a bit like entrapment.ydoethur said:
They want to be careful with that, because under the law as it stands in this country such actions as Apple describes would in themselves be considered child pornography offences.DecrepiterJohnL said:Won't anyone think of the children? Apple has announced plans to scan users' iphones for child sex abuse material. And a jolly good thing too. It would never be misused to scan for articles critical of Belarusan Olympic sprint coaching or photos of the Bullingdon Club.
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She did wonders for foreign miners by importing their coal though, international working class solidarity at its best!sprocketman said:You're way off the mark Mike. I am surprised at your write up.
Clarification: climate change "benefit" was an unintentended consequence of the Thatcher pit closures. It wasn't anywhere in Thatcher's reasoning to close the pits.
This is a clever re-writing of history and you've fallen for it Mike.
(Under her tenure Carbon emissions went up by the way not down, even with the pit closures, so she didn't help in this context in any way, intended or unintended).
Pity we're not on the train anymore this would have been a good bant!
You've been had Mike.2 -
Well, those are the people who vote for him.Theuniondivvie said:
Non Scots non Tories you mean, presumably?DavidL said:
A significant part of Boris's undoubted political genius is that he provokes all the right people to behave in a po-faced sanctimonious and censorious manner. He has done it all his career and it is a major reason why non Tories will vote for him.ydoethur said:
Although serious as it was, it was rather less serious than the damage inflicted on them by years of fraud, mismanagement, nepotism and naked corruption by the local Labour led councils.Scott_xP said:A few Scottish Tories have their heads in their hands tonight, after what they thought had been a decent first trip to Scotland since January.
Being described as an “unforced error”, “not helpful” and “crass”
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-58107009 https://twitter.com/nickeardleybbc/status/1423339171444367362
Welsh FM Mark Drakeford on @BBCr4today: “Those remarks are both crass and offensive. The damage done to Welsh coal mine areas was incalculable” https://twitter.com/nickeardleybbc/status/1423360525552005120
Which Drakeford, as a beneficiary of those systems, strangely never seems to be willing to deal with.
One way I agree with David here - and I’m certainly no fan of Johnson - is that huge numbers of people in the Midlands and North are fed up with being lectured and patronised by a bunch of po-faced, pompous, ignorant and often stupid southerners, particularly Londoners. You can certainly trace much of this to the expansion of the EU and the banking crisis, but it also crystallised around the EU referendum. People have been told they voted leave because they’re thick and don’t really understand the issues. That’s really going to convert them, isn’t it?
And that’s become increasingly associated with Labour, who have now had, in effect, three consecutive Londoner leaders all of whom seemed to spend their time preaching at people. Even though their individual policies were often pretty popular. The ‘them and us’ divide is stark and getting starker. Labour used to exploit this for advantage - Tory toffs against ordinary working people - but they’ve somehow ended up on the wrong side of it now.
I think you do see something of the same effect in Scotland, but there the beneficiaries are the SNP, because it’s wider anti-English sentiment that’s being developed and tapped into.
So winding up the likes of Drakeford isn’t necessarily a foolish strategy by Johnson. It won’t help in Wales or Scotland but it might well be less damaging then people expect in the Midlands and North.
Of course, the prize irony is that Johnson himself is the ultimate in posh ignorant Londoners. But somehow his extraordinary charisma overrides that.5 -
Another day's play lost at the test and the debacle on day 1 just might become survivable after all. England do not deserve it but they might get lucky.OldKingCole said:
What is 'amusing', from a somewhat cynical point of view is that up until now the Conservative 'defence' on the closure of coal mines has been that more were closed under Labour!DavidL said:
A significant part of Boris's undoubted political genius is that he provokes all the right people to behave in a po-faced sanctimonious and censorious manner. He has done it all his career and it is a major reason why non Tories will vote for him.ydoethur said:
Although serious as it was, it was rather less serious than the damage inflicted on them by years of fraud, mismanagement, nepotism and naked corruption by the local Labour led councils.Scott_xP said:A few Scottish Tories have their heads in their hands tonight, after what they thought had been a decent first trip to Scotland since January.
Being described as an “unforced error”, “not helpful” and “crass”
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-58107009 https://twitter.com/nickeardleybbc/status/1423339171444367362
Welsh FM Mark Drakeford on @BBCr4today: “Those remarks are both crass and offensive. The damage done to Welsh coal mine areas was incalculable” https://twitter.com/nickeardleybbc/status/1423360525552005120
Which Drakeford, as a beneficiary of those systems, strangely never seems to be willing to deal with.
And Good morning everybody. 15.6C this morning but, sadly, the forecast locally is for rain and, indeed, thunder. And we have an interesting match at our local cricket club today, which Mrs C and I were planning to attend.1 -
The track at your local sports centre is as well, although it won't be as technologically advanced as the one in TokyoDavidL said:
In fairness I think that all Olympic tracks have been designed that way for the last 20 years or so. People want records.IanB2 said:So the Olympic track was specifically designed to be bouncy and hence easier to run fast along.
Why don't they just have one that moves forward like a travolator, and be done with it?0 -
Thanks. I feel less singled-out if what you say is true. But I do find this very worrying. Is it not close to fraud? Accepting significant wagers from punters with a proven track record of losing, but restricting wagers to insignificant sums for punters with a winning profile.DecrepiterJohnL said:
I've been heavily restricted by three bookmakers, more for horses than politics, perhaps, but the books are so trigger-happy these days I'm not sure it is such a badge of honour any more.DougSeal said:
That’s nothing. I’m such a successful political punter that I’m paid seven figure sums to both refrain from it and refrain from giving tips on it. So successful am I that I am forced to hide behind the assumed identity of a semi aquatic marine mammal that practices labour law while laughing at you amateurs on here. Stick around Dickson, I might teach you a few things.StuartDickson said:
I love it how punters are always so willing to tell you about the ones they guessed right, but never about the long list of failures. Stopped clocks.TheScreamingEagles said:
I accurately forecast that Scotland would vote No in 2014 when you said the clueless wonders on here were in for a shock. I believe 55% of Scots constitutes a majority of Scots.StuartDickson said:
Yeah, that’s right, BritNats like you are so in tune with “the majority of Scots”.TheScreamingEagles said:
There you go again.StuartDickson said:
British Nationalism: The home of Jockophobia..TheScreamingEagles said:
Scottish Nationalism: The home of transphobia.StuartDickson said:
Well, it wouldn’t be a woman’s penis.squareroot2 said:I just accidentally clicked on Johnson on the thread header and the dictionary defined it as a man's penis.. interesting if spooky....
Conflating criticism of the SNP with criticism of Scotland.
Fortunately the majority of Scots know that too.
I also accurately predicted that Alba would do shite in the Holyrood elections when one of your fellow Nats was predicting 12%-14% minimum for Alba on the list.
I also successfully tipped the SCons would get over 9.5 seats in 2017 at 20/1.
I’m such a successful political punter that I’m typically restricted to max wagers of about 50p. The very fact that you’re still allowed to bet shows that the bookies are winning.1 -
Rhodesian hot sauce. £42 pink bubbles. Masturbating yourself to hospital.
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The BBC weather forecast suggests that there might not be a lot of play at Nottingham, as well as in N Essex. The clouds are gathering here as I type.DavidL said:
Another day's play lost at the test and the debacle on day 1 just might become survivable after all. England do not deserve it but they might get lucky.OldKingCole said:
What is 'amusing', from a somewhat cynical point of view is that up until now the Conservative 'defence' on the closure of coal mines has been that more were closed under Labour!DavidL said:
A significant part of Boris's undoubted political genius is that he provokes all the right people to behave in a po-faced sanctimonious and censorious manner. He has done it all his career and it is a major reason why non Tories will vote for him.ydoethur said:
Although serious as it was, it was rather less serious than the damage inflicted on them by years of fraud, mismanagement, nepotism and naked corruption by the local Labour led councils.Scott_xP said:A few Scottish Tories have their heads in their hands tonight, after what they thought had been a decent first trip to Scotland since January.
Being described as an “unforced error”, “not helpful” and “crass”
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-58107009 https://twitter.com/nickeardleybbc/status/1423339171444367362
Welsh FM Mark Drakeford on @BBCr4today: “Those remarks are both crass and offensive. The damage done to Welsh coal mine areas was incalculable” https://twitter.com/nickeardleybbc/status/1423360525552005120
Which Drakeford, as a beneficiary of those systems, strangely never seems to be willing to deal with.
And Good morning everybody. 15.6C this morning but, sadly, the forecast locally is for rain and, indeed, thunder. And we have an interesting match at our local cricket club today, which Mrs C and I were planning to attend.0 -
For a moment I did worry that that key Scottish segment of ex miner Scottish Tories, otherwise known as Tom who lives outside Kirkcaldy, might be offended but then I remembered that Tom had a sense of humour.Theuniondivvie said:
Non Scots non Tories you mean, presumably?DavidL said:
A significant part of Boris's undoubted political genius is that he provokes all the right people to behave in a po-faced sanctimonious and censorious manner. He has done it all his career and it is a major reason why non Tories will vote for him.ydoethur said:
Although serious as it was, it was rather less serious than the damage inflicted on them by years of fraud, mismanagement, nepotism and naked corruption by the local Labour led councils.Scott_xP said:A few Scottish Tories have their heads in their hands tonight, after what they thought had been a decent first trip to Scotland since January.
Being described as an “unforced error”, “not helpful” and “crass”
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-58107009 https://twitter.com/nickeardleybbc/status/1423339171444367362
Welsh FM Mark Drakeford on @BBCr4today: “Those remarks are both crass and offensive. The damage done to Welsh coal mine areas was incalculable” https://twitter.com/nickeardleybbc/status/1423360525552005120
Which Drakeford, as a beneficiary of those systems, strangely never seems to be willing to deal with.2 -
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Having worked in the industry 24 years, here are my thoughts (from when I’d worked in the industry 17 years)StuartDickson said:
Thanks. I feel less singled-out if what you say is true. But I do find this very worrying. Is it not close to fraud? Accepting significant wagers from punters with a proven track record of losing, but restricting wagers to insignificant sums for punters with a winning profile.DecrepiterJohnL said:
I've been heavily restricted by three bookmakers, more for horses than politics, perhaps, but the books are so trigger-happy these days I'm not sure it is such a badge of honour any more.DougSeal said:
That’s nothing. I’m such a successful political punter that I’m paid seven figure sums to both refrain from it and refrain from giving tips on it. So successful am I that I am forced to hide behind the assumed identity of a semi aquatic marine mammal that practices labour law while laughing at you amateurs on here. Stick around Dickson, I might teach you a few things.StuartDickson said:
I love it how punters are always so willing to tell you about the ones they guessed right, but never about the long list of failures. Stopped clocks.TheScreamingEagles said:
I accurately forecast that Scotland would vote No in 2014 when you said the clueless wonders on here were in for a shock. I believe 55% of Scots constitutes a majority of Scots.StuartDickson said:
Yeah, that’s right, BritNats like you are so in tune with “the majority of Scots”.TheScreamingEagles said:
There you go again.StuartDickson said:
British Nationalism: The home of Jockophobia..TheScreamingEagles said:
Scottish Nationalism: The home of transphobia.StuartDickson said:
Well, it wouldn’t be a woman’s penis.squareroot2 said:I just accidentally clicked on Johnson on the thread header and the dictionary defined it as a man's penis.. interesting if spooky....
Conflating criticism of the SNP with criticism of Scotland.
Fortunately the majority of Scots know that too.
I also accurately predicted that Alba would do shite in the Holyrood elections when one of your fellow Nats was predicting 12%-14% minimum for Alba on the list.
I also successfully tipped the SCons would get over 9.5 seats in 2017 at 20/1.
I’m such a successful political punter that I’m typically restricted to max wagers of about 50p. The very fact that you’re still allowed to bet shows that the bookies are winning.
“You Don't Have To Be A Hypocritical Coward To Be A Bookmaker... But It Helps"
http://aboutasfarasdelgados.blogspot.com/2014/08/you-dont-have-to-be-hypocritical-coward.html2 -
I’m sure most of that is true, but it just means we can dispense with the Unionist component of the Conservative and Unionist Party, or at least point and laugh at the naïfs who think that it’s still a thing.ydoethur said:
Well, those are the people who vote for him.Theuniondivvie said:
Non Scots non Tories you mean, presumably?DavidL said:
A significant part of Boris's undoubted political genius is that he provokes all the right people to behave in a po-faced sanctimonious and censorious manner. He has done it all his career and it is a major reason why non Tories will vote for him.ydoethur said:
Although serious as it was, it was rather less serious than the damage inflicted on them by years of fraud, mismanagement, nepotism and naked corruption by the local Labour led councils.Scott_xP said:A few Scottish Tories have their heads in their hands tonight, after what they thought had been a decent first trip to Scotland since January.
Being described as an “unforced error”, “not helpful” and “crass”
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-58107009 https://twitter.com/nickeardleybbc/status/1423339171444367362
Welsh FM Mark Drakeford on @BBCr4today: “Those remarks are both crass and offensive. The damage done to Welsh coal mine areas was incalculable” https://twitter.com/nickeardleybbc/status/1423360525552005120
Which Drakeford, as a beneficiary of those systems, strangely never seems to be willing to deal with.
One way I agree with David here - and I’m certainly no fan of Johnson - is that huge numbers of people in the Midlands and North are fed up with being lectured and patronised by a bunch of po-faced, pompous, ignorant and often stupid southerners, particularly Londoners. You can certainly trace much of this to the expansion of the EU and the banking crisis, but it also crystallised around the EU referendum. People have been told they voted leave because they’re thick and don’t really understand the issues. That’s really going to convert them, isn’t it?
And that’s become increasingly associated with Labour, who have now had, in effect, three consecutive Londoner leaders all of whom seemed to spend their time preaching at people. Even though their individual policies were often pretty popular. The ‘them and us’ divide is stark and getting starker. Labour used to exploit this for advantage - Tory toffs against ordinary working people - but they’ve somehow ended up on the wrong side of it now.
I think you do see something of the same effect in Scotland, but there the beneficiaries are the SNP, because it’s wider anti-English sentiment that’s being developed and tapped into.
So winding up the likes of Drakeford isn’t necessarily a foolish strategy by Johnson. It won’t help in Wales or Scotland but it might well be less damaging then people expect in the Midlands and North.
Of course, the prize irony is that Johnson himself is the ultimate in posh ignorant Londoners. But somehow his extraordinary charisma overrides that.
Not even sure about the Conservative bit tbh.0 -
At an even more basic level, erstwhile Labour supporters have lost the sense that the party is "on their side". It is not even, or not just, talking down to voters or appearing to lecture them, or casual insults like Emily Thornberry's flags tweet, but that it spends so much time, especially under Jeremy Corbyn, talking about things that most voters just don't care about, like Venezuela or the Middle East. Of course, that also applies to Corbyn's critics!ydoethur said:
Well, those are the people who vote for him.Theuniondivvie said:
Non Scots non Tories you mean, presumably?DavidL said:
A significant part of Boris's undoubted political genius is that he provokes all the right people to behave in a po-faced sanctimonious and censorious manner. He has done it all his career and it is a major reason why non Tories will vote for him.ydoethur said:
Although serious as it was, it was rather less serious than the damage inflicted on them by years of fraud, mismanagement, nepotism and naked corruption by the local Labour led councils.Scott_xP said:A few Scottish Tories have their heads in their hands tonight, after what they thought had been a decent first trip to Scotland since January.
Being described as an “unforced error”, “not helpful” and “crass”
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-58107009 https://twitter.com/nickeardleybbc/status/1423339171444367362
Welsh FM Mark Drakeford on @BBCr4today: “Those remarks are both crass and offensive. The damage done to Welsh coal mine areas was incalculable” https://twitter.com/nickeardleybbc/status/1423360525552005120
Which Drakeford, as a beneficiary of those systems, strangely never seems to be willing to deal with.
One way I agree with David here - and I’m certainly no fan of Johnson - is that huge numbers of people in the Midlands and North are fed up with being lectured and patronised by a bunch of po-faced, pompous, ignorant and often stupid southerners, particularly Londoners. You can certainly trace much of this to the expansion of the EU and the banking crisis, but it also crystallised around the EU referendum. People have been told they voted leave because they’re thick and don’t really understand the issues. That’s really going to convert them, isn’t it?
And that’s become increasingly associated with Labour, who have now had, in effect, three consecutive Londoner leaders all of whom seemed to spend their time preaching at people. Even though their individual policies were often pretty popular. The ‘them and us’ divide is stark and getting starker. Labour used to exploit this for advantage - Tory toffs against ordinary working people - but they’ve somehow ended up on the wrong side of it now.
I think you do see something of the same effect in Scotland, but there the beneficiaries are the SNP, because it’s wider anti-English sentiment that’s being developed and tapped into.
So winding up the likes of Drakeford isn’t necessarily a foolish strategy by Johnson. It won’t help in Wales or Scotland but it might well be less damaging then people expect in the Midlands and North.
Of course, the prize irony is that Johnson himself is the ultimate in posh ignorant Londoners. But somehow his extraordinary charisma overrides that.
It was perhaps Dominic Cummings' key insight that voters were increasingly isolated from politics, and he exploited this to deliver Brexit and Boris, and the levelling up agenda because Cummings had the nous to realise that Brexit voters were not actually voting for Brexit but to Take Back Control, fund the NHS and other public services, and regenerate former industrial towns.4 -
Close to fraud? Probably not. Casinos have been barring card-counters for years. It is unfair, though, and large numbers of recreational punters will be collateral damage if they accidentally make the same bets as the sharks.StuartDickson said:
Thanks. I feel less singled-out if what you say is true. But I do find this very worrying. Is it not close to fraud? Accepting significant wagers from punters with a proven track record of losing, but restricting wagers to insignificant sums for punters with a winning profile.DecrepiterJohnL said:
I've been heavily restricted by three bookmakers, more for horses than politics, perhaps, but the books are so trigger-happy these days I'm not sure it is such a badge of honour any more.DougSeal said:
That’s nothing. I’m such a successful political punter that I’m paid seven figure sums to both refrain from it and refrain from giving tips on it. So successful am I that I am forced to hide behind the assumed identity of a semi aquatic marine mammal that practices labour law while laughing at you amateurs on here. Stick around Dickson, I might teach you a few things.StuartDickson said:
I love it how punters are always so willing to tell you about the ones they guessed right, but never about the long list of failures. Stopped clocks.TheScreamingEagles said:
I accurately forecast that Scotland would vote No in 2014 when you said the clueless wonders on here were in for a shock. I believe 55% of Scots constitutes a majority of Scots.StuartDickson said:
Yeah, that’s right, BritNats like you are so in tune with “the majority of Scots”.TheScreamingEagles said:
There you go again.StuartDickson said:
British Nationalism: The home of Jockophobia..TheScreamingEagles said:
Scottish Nationalism: The home of transphobia.StuartDickson said:
Well, it wouldn’t be a woman’s penis.squareroot2 said:I just accidentally clicked on Johnson on the thread header and the dictionary defined it as a man's penis.. interesting if spooky....
Conflating criticism of the SNP with criticism of Scotland.
Fortunately the majority of Scots know that too.
I also accurately predicted that Alba would do shite in the Holyrood elections when one of your fellow Nats was predicting 12%-14% minimum for Alba on the list.
I also successfully tipped the SCons would get over 9.5 seats in 2017 at 20/1.
I’m such a successful political punter that I’m typically restricted to max wagers of about 50p. The very fact that you’re still allowed to bet shows that the bookies are winning.0 -
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