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  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 73,536
    rcs1000 said:

    In the "well that's an insane coincidence space", I had to give a reference about a firm to Novara media last week.
    I'm not even going to ask...
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 54,550
    Stocky said:

    I agree. Can`t it be moved back in the year?
    Nah, we looked at that. We have the Regatta and Food Festival to work around/not piss off too. Then you have to book the acts - many of whom agreed to come again in May after being booked last year, but trying to arrange another 120+ acts of similar top quality live performers for some point later in the year just proved logistically horrible.

    Second weekend in May 2022 it is then. You should all come down. It's a blast.

    https://www.dartmusicfestival.co.uk/?utm_source=Business news subscribers&utm_campaign=a88aee3e7f-EMAIL_CAMPAIGN_2019_06_05_08_59_COPY_01&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_4788e290db-a88aee3e7f-141813397&mc_cid=a88aee3e7f&mc_eid=8f50bbd53e&fbclid=IwAR3_3xjfd0OUlmhfJSmomkeMLgnlnxpw9onlrXgjdP9EHIf-kt65YH_YIfQ
  • Why is that news

    It has been obvious for a long time
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 54,550
    MattW said:

    OT: I quite like that the German for "lamppost-counter" is "Bananenbieger".

    That is so off-topic, it boggles the mind how it could ever be on-topic.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 44,804
    DougSeal said:

    Can I share an embarrasing secret? I am not going but when I saw that the Reading and Leeds Festivals are planning on going ahead I actually started crying a bit I was so happy. It's a shit lineup but I went the weekend I picked up my GCSE results and I am now starting to hope that teenagers may be able to have some sort of youth this summer.

    It could, of course, all go pear shaped still but...yay!

    It's a big moment. Cheered me up too. Very down about the Tiger Woods car crash and so a bit of good vibe was needed.
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 22,677
    kle4 said:

    Maybe framing it this way would have convinced more people
    https://twitter.com/leonardocarella/status/1364554919123054596

    To be pedantic (naturally), the second tranche of X are not equally high priority, since they are from the next cohort down the list.
  • FloaterFloater Posts: 14,207

    What does the EU have to do with it? We left the EU over a year ago. Its our departure from the EEA and CU and the ludicrous terms we negotiated for our deal that are the issue.

    I don't care whether the public are listening or not. Trade has to be able to flow, we negotiated a deal which significantly blocks it beyond the point where it flows sufficiently, changes are coming.
    How is your foreign lorry watch going?
  • DougSealDougSeal Posts: 12,746
    This Twitter thread was virtually made for PB. Loads in here if anyone wanted to write a header.

    https://twitter.com/benwansell/status/1364558023222525955
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 98,566

    To be pedantic (naturally), the second tranche of X are not equally high priority, since they are from the next cohort down the list.
    But depending on how large the cohorts are, you might not be able to cover everyone in the cohort if you do not delay, so some people of equal priority would miss out?
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 44,804
    Nigelb said:

    I have no idea whether or not it was absolutely accurate or fair, but Ruth Davidson gave a very clear exposition on WATO of why the Salmond affair mattered.
    It's the first public commentary I've heard that rose above the incomprehensible or terminally dull.

    And what's your view, Nigel? Is Nicola in the wrong and in trouble?
  • StockyStocky Posts: 10,279

    Nah, we looked at that. We have the Regatta and Food Festival to work around/not piss off too. Then you have to book the acts - many of whom agreed to come again in May after being booked last year, but trying to arrange another 120+ acts of similar top quality live performers for some point later in the year just proved logistically horrible.

    Second weekend in May 2022 it is then. You should all come down. It's a blast.

    https://www.dartmusicfestival.co.uk/?utm_source=Business news subscribers&utm_campaign=a88aee3e7f-EMAIL_CAMPAIGN_2019_06_05_08_59_COPY_01&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_4788e290db-a88aee3e7f-141813397&mc_cid=a88aee3e7f&mc_eid=8f50bbd53e&fbclid=IwAR3_3xjfd0OUlmhfJSmomkeMLgnlnxpw9onlrXgjdP9EHIf-kt65YH_YIfQ
    I may very well do that. I remember you posting a link to it last year.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 51,106
    rcs1000 said:

    This reflects one of three things:

    (1) The government is slowing down the roll-out of vaccines to younger groups, because it feels it can get more bang for the buck in vaccinating older cohorts twice

    (2) There are worries about the efficacy of the Pfizer vaccine if the doses are spaced too far apart (see Scotland), and therefore they are moving them closer together

    (3) Vaccine supply is increasing markedly, and therefore they are increasingly confident of their ability to meet targets

    My money is on (3).
    There is a fourth possibility that the ability to ramp up capacity to manage the vaccinations is falling short (cf. last week’s relatively disappointing data), and they are bringing some of the second doses forward to spread them over a longer period, the alternative being that when the main cohort of second doses hits, first dose progress grinds to a halt.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 73,536
    DougSeal said:

    This Twitter thread was virtually made for PB. Loads in here if anyone wanted to write a header.

    https://twitter.com/benwansell/status/1364558023222525955

    Typical Oxford:

    The study found ‘Remainers’ are 7% points more likely willing to take the vaccine than ‘Leavers’ or those who did not vote in the 2016 referendum.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 44,804

    Fwiw though, my recollection is of a good deal of fuss on pb about Gordon Brown and, from the other side, George Osborne, not using their given first names (which used to be a fairly common practice).
    Fair enough. But it is a different point. One of my brothers uses his middle name as it happens. As you say, it's not that unusual.
  • The EU does matter if you want to change the deal, but I do agree change is coming and of course those who lead change succeed while those who resist change fail
    I meant changes to the deal...
  • SelebianSelebian Posts: 9,257

    However, PBers are not representative of the wider electorate. So we aren't expecting to see you walking your whippet any time soon.
    #ThingsThatSoundLikeEuphemismsButAreNot

    Edit: Or is it? :blush:
  • Floater said:

    How is your foreign lorry watch going?
    Now that I have relocated to Buchan I rarely see any lorries that aren't from NE Scotland, never mind non-UK...
  • felixfelix Posts: 15,180
    kinabalu said:

    And what's your view, Nigel? Is Nicola in the wrong and in trouble?
    My tuppence worth would say publish everything. Presumably if she is confident in her case that would be the way in an open democracy to demonstrate it. Disclaimer: I cannot stand either of them!
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 43,703
    edited February 2021
    kinabalu said:

    It's because the press are owned by cigar chomping types for whom money is a tool to buy the influence they feel is their entitlement as "hommes des affaires". Rothermere. Barclay. Beaverbrook. Maxwell. Murdoch. Lebedev. Wells. Kane. Etc. They are usually arch capitalists with a fear of having their wings clipped by any Labour government not led by Tony Blair.
    I have a plan.

    Ask everyone not to buy those newspapers. Or subscribe to their online media presence.

    Spread it around.

    Before you know it they will be down to selling a few hundred copies in the shires and north London (you and ie @NickPalmer) and Novara Media and Socialist Worker will be in the ascendency.
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 22,677
    kle4 said:

    But depending on how large the cohorts are, you might not be able to cover everyone in the cohort if you do not delay, so some people of equal priority would miss out?
    To use a word I hate, you need better 'granularity' of the cohorts.

    Anyway, for the avoidance of doubt, I fully support the 'delayed second dose' strategy.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 76,716
    kle4 said:

    Maybe framing it this way would have convinced more people
    https://twitter.com/leonardocarella/status/1364554919123054596

    It's a similar argument to the rapid antigen test / PCR debate.

    In the latter case, while the claimed accuracy for the test is 99.9%, for the 30% or so who are asymptomatic, and are therefore extremely unlikely to be tested, the accuracy approaches 0%.
  • DougSeal said:

    This Twitter thread was virtually made for PB. Loads in here if anyone wanted to write a header.

    https://twitter.com/benwansell/status/1364558023222525955

    In October, some 58% of people from ethnic minorities said they would be likely to take the vaccine. This has increased to more than 80%. But, at the same time, the levels of white British supporting the jab has increased from nearly 80% in the autumn to more than 90% in the second survey.
  • FloaterFloater Posts: 14,207

    Now that I have relocated to Buchan I rarely see any lorries that aren't from NE Scotland, never mind non-UK...
    Hope all is working out with the move - I have a vague recollection the previous owners left a load of clutter behind.

    I will say regarding lorry watch that it provided a nice distraction on the drive down to my fathers funeral.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 76,716
    edited February 2021

    That is so off-topic, it boggles the mind how it could ever be on-topic.
    If it were the name of a Radiohead album ?
  • EndillionEndillion Posts: 4,976
    rkrkrk said:

    If the press reflected the electorate then there would be probably 2 left-wing papers for every 3 right-wing papers?
    There isn't and there never will be.

    It's a mix of factors - but I would suggest the crucial one is that people who own newspapers are very wealthy and they don't like the sound of the redistribution that the left is keen on.
    Ok let's think this one through properly.

    We can presumably agree on the Telegraph and Mail being right wing, and the Guardian and the Mirror being left. So let's call that a wash; it's not my fault the right wing variants are so much more popular.

    The Express is clearly right wing. The Star should be roughly its left wing equivalent, based on ownership, although its editorial line is very unclear to me (and it seems from a quick Google that I'm not alone). But in theory that should be a wash.

    The Independent, we can disagree on whether it is actually independent, but it certainly isn't right wing.

    The Financial Times and City AM aren't all that political and have circulations far too small to matter mostly consisting of people who aren't traditional swing voters.

    The Metro and the Standard... I've never been able to discern any form of political editorial line from either; they function mostly as celebrity trash mags..

    So that leaves the Sun and the Times. And means that the argument that we have a "right wing press" that is unduly influencing elections rests solely on the shoulders of Rupert Murdoch, a man who famously backed Tony Blair and Gordon Brown (as Chancellor, if not as PM) for well over a decade. And, is there really that much evidence that either paper is all that enthusiastic about the current administration?
  • MangoMango Posts: 1,031

    *Bullshit*

    I voted for there to be NO MEPs. I didn't vote for there to be any MEPs.

    And when Claire Fox was elevated to the Lords I vehemently objected to it so you are lying or ignorant about "without a peep". This is what I had to say (amongst other posts attacking her and the appointment).

    https://vf.politicalbetting.com/discussion/comment/2969807/#Comment_2969807
    One thing that Corbyn and Fox have in common is they both very publicly supported the IRA not just in theory but even within days after atrocities, when even the IRAs erstwhile supporters were keeping quiet. Its one thing standing up for 'freedom fighters' in abstract - but to do so days after an atrocity while people are still mourning . . .

    In the days after the Warrington bombings even IRA supporters were distancing themselves from such evil - but not Fox and her allies. Nor has she ever apologised for that.

    She is every bit as contemptible as Corbyn. Utterly beyond the pale
    I stand corrected, you did speak up.

    So you're bothered enough about genocide to speak up about her, but you nevertheless a) voted for her, and b) relentlessly support the man who put her in the Lords.

  • The Bank of England Governor, Andrew Bailey, has accused the European Union of trying to poach business from the City of London in the wake of Brexit, labelling the bloc’s recent activity as a “very serious escalation”.

    Mr Bailey told the Treasury Select Committee on Wednesday the EU now seems more interested in taking euro-denominated derivatives clearing business out of London into the EU than making sure the UK’s regulations are “equivalent” to the bloc’s for financial stability reasons.


    https://www.independent.co.uk/business/uk-financial-services-bank-of-england-b1806765.html
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 76,716
    edited February 2021
    kinabalu said:

    And what's your view, Nigel? Is Nicola in the wrong and in trouble?
    Haven't a clue.
    But it needs settling out in the open, rather than brushing under the carpet.

    Which you might think argues in one direction.
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 43,703
    edited February 2021
    Endillion said:

    Ok let's think this one through properly.

    We can presumably agree on the Telegraph and Mail being right wing, and the Guardian and the Mirror being left. So let's call that a wash; it's not my fault the right wing variants are so much more popular.

    The Express is clearly right wing. The Star should be roughly its left wing equivalent, based on ownership, although its editorial line is very unclear to me (and it seems from a quick Google that I'm not alone). But in theory that should be a wash.

    The Independent, we can disagree on whether it is actually independent, but it certainly isn't right wing.

    The Financial Times and City AM aren't all that political and have circulations far too small to matter mostly consisting of people who aren't traditional swing voters.

    The Metro and the Standard... I've never been able to discern any form of political editorial line from either; they function mostly as celebrity trash mags..

    So that leaves the Sun and the Times. And means that the argument that we have a "right wing press" that is unduly influencing elections rests solely on the shoulders of Rupert Murdoch, a man who famously backed Tony Blair and Gordon Brown (as Chancellor, if not as PM) for well over a decade. And, is there really that much evidence that either paper is all that enthusiastic about the current administration?
    Good analysis.

    As is mine that there is no law against buying the Socialist Worker.

    I would be interested to know what media the lefties on here consume. One has admitted he reads one of Rupert's rags. So it's pretty much a do as I say not as I do from our sample (modest size as it is).

    Any other left-looking PB-ers care to share?
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 44,804
    TOPPING said:

    Thanks. Not a million miles different between us. And you're of the left - easy to see why people complain of the "right wing media" when those of the left don't primarily, or perhaps at all consume left wing media (OJ, etc aside).
    Yep, good point. It's a tricky one. To complain with credibility about the right wing media you must consume some of it. Which is a tough gig. A different and (imo) interesting way to look at the bias is that the crazy left wing stuff like Novara Media is fringe but it's equivalent on the right - the Sun, the Mail, the Telegraph etc - is mainstream. This creates advantage for the right. Of course you could say - indeed I think you already have - this simply reflects the balance of people's views but I don't fully buy that. I think it also reinforces them. There's an influence there, insidious and significant.
  • TimTTimT Posts: 6,468
    edited February 2021

    To be pedantic (naturally), the second tranche of X are not equally high priority, since they are from the next cohort down the list.
    Actually, for most of the time, they are from the same risk category. Only once you near completing the vaccination of one priority group would some of the 2nd x fall into the lower category.

    Correction: which of us is correct depends on whether you are looking at the entire vaccination programme (in which case you are correct) or at you decision-making today with the vaccines you have in hand (in which case I am correct)
  • EndillionEndillion Posts: 4,976
    DougSeal said:
    To revert somewhat to an earlier discussion, our Prime Minster has a few months to convince the media to stop using his first name and start referring to him by his surname, for maximum positive electoral effect from this development. Shame there are no pharma companies called "Boris and Boris".
  • The Bank of England Governor, Andrew Bailey, has accused the European Union of trying to poach business from the City of London in the wake of Brexit, labelling the bloc’s recent activity as a “very serious escalation”.

    Mr Bailey told the Treasury Select Committee on Wednesday the EU now seems more interested in taking euro-denominated derivatives clearing business out of London into the EU than making sure the UK’s regulations are “equivalent” to the bloc’s for financial stability reasons.


    https://www.independent.co.uk/business/uk-financial-services-bank-of-england-b1806765.html

    Whilst I hope they dont, what is the "accused " narrative all about. Surely the EU has a right to muscle in on this now we are not in the club. It is up to us to compete not get all upset as though we are entitled to have it and nobody else.
  • Continuing picture - deaths plummeting, decline in cases slowing:


  • MattWMattW Posts: 26,634
    edited February 2021
    Nigelb said:

    If it were the name of a Radiohead album ?
    I was reflecting that "Ursula von der Leyen" would scan quite nicely into the lyrics of "Abdulla Bulbul Ameer", and wondering whether there were any suitable German words that rhymed.

    Hence the diversion into mild German insults...

    Here's the Crumit 1927 version:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lv6M2omQ__U
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 44,804

    Novara is a secret pleasure of mine for their frequently hilarious takes on the most pressing issues of the day:
    I dip in and out of Ash Sarkar - who I like and rate - but on the whole I steer clear of Novara.

    Owen Jones is imo the best guide to what's hot and what's not on the modern metro left.
  • FloaterFloater Posts: 14,207

    Whilst I hope they dont, what is the "accused " narrative all about. Surely the EU has a right to muscle in on this now we are not in the club. It is up to us to compete not get all upset as though we are entitled to have it and nobody else.
    They tried to muscle in when we were in the club if I recall correctly
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 59,385

    Whilst I hope they dont, what is the "accused " narrative all about. Surely the EU has a right to muscle in on this now we are not in the club. It is up to us to compete not get all upset as though we are entitled to have it and nobody else.
    It's also a bit weird, because the "European Union" has no ability or capability to lure firms away from the UK. (Absent some regional development funds, and I can't think that Calabria is trying to get Goldman Sachs to move there.)

    The vast bulk of any "luring" is being done by cities and countries inside the EU. (And is no different, of course, from the luring that we are doing to try and get pharmaceutical companies to set up production in the UK.)
  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 23,795

    Continuing picture - deaths plummeting, decline in cases slowing:


    To my memory that’s a rapidly fall in cases than in recent days, but that could be either noise or my crap memory!
  • I meant changes to the deal...
    Or even changes within the framework of the deal, as @Richard_Nabavi outlined a while back. The events of the last few weeks have shown why they are both governmentally sensible and politically impossible.

    And when an irresistible force meets an immovable object, nothing happens until everything happens. In a bad way.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 59,385
    IanB2 said:

    There is a fourth possibility that the ability to ramp up capacity to manage the vaccinations is falling short (cf. last week’s relatively disappointing data), and they are bringing some of the second doses forward to spread them over a longer period, the alternative being that when the main cohort of second doses hits, first dose progress grinds to a halt.
    "Capacity"? Do you mean supply of vaccines, or do you mean the ability to put jabs into arms?

    I don't see how bringing forward second jabs can be indicative of reduced "capacity", except possibly as part of concerns under (2). I.e, a worry that effectiveness drops off if there is too big a gap.
  • EndillionEndillion Posts: 4,976
    edited February 2021
    kinabalu said:

    Yep, good point. It's a tricky one. To complain with credibility about the right wing media you must consume some of it. Which is a tough gig. A different and (imo) interesting way to look at the bias is that the crazy left wing stuff like Novara Media is fringe but it's equivalent on the right - the Sun, the Mail, the Telegraph etc - is mainstream. This creates advantage for the right. Of course you could say - indeed I think you already have - this simply reflects the balance of people's views but I don't fully buy that. I think it also reinforces them. There's an influence there, insidious and significant.
    Ah, that's interesting. I would contend that the Mirror and the Mail are roughly equidistant from the political centre, and their relative readerships are indicative of why Labour struggle to win elections. Ditto the Guardian and the Telegraph.

    Would you agree that Novara are clearly further left than the Mirror? In which case, presumably you disagree that the Mirror and the Mail are equivalent (as per the above), or else your previous post makes no sense? Obviously, this relies on simplifying the political spectrum into a one-dimensional scale, but whatever.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 26,634
    edited February 2021

    Whilst I hope they dont, what is the "accused " narrative all about. Surely the EU has a right to muscle in on this now we are not in the club. It is up to us to compete not get all upset as though we are entitled to have it and nobody else.
    It's the Indpendent. Therefore factcheck with reputable source required.

    I'll have a look at the evidence later.

    Certainly EU behaviour is strange if they eg grant Equivalence to some equivalent countries but not others, whilst claiming to be consistent.
  • DougSealDougSeal Posts: 12,746
    Endillion said:

    To revert somewhat to an earlier discussion, our Prime Minster has a few months to convince the media to stop using his first name and start referring to him by his surname, for maximum positive electoral effect from this development. Shame there are no pharma companies called "Boris and Boris".
    Indeed. Credit to the Prime MInister and his Dad for getting this out so quickly though.
  • To my memory that’s a rapidly fall in cases than in recent days, but that could be either noise or my crap memory!
    https://twitter.com/fact_covid/status/1364607994600775680?s=20
    https://twitter.com/fact_covid/status/1364608480800342020?s=20
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 18,626

    Continuing picture - deaths plummeting, decline in cases slowing:


    Decline in cases resuming - last wed 12,718, this 9,938. Someone postulated about the weather affecting the cases - its seems a possibility.
  • TimTTimT Posts: 6,468
    rcs1000 said:

    It's also a bit weird, because the "European Union" has no ability or capability to lure firms away from the UK. (Absent some regional development funds, and I can't think that Calabria is trying to get Goldman Sachs to move there.)

    The vast bulk of any "luring" is being done by cities and countries inside the EU. (And is no different, of course, from the luring that we are doing to try and get pharmaceutical companies to set up production in the UK.)
    But presumably the European Union can assist in making it more difficult for London to get equivalency and to compete by either changing EU rules in very specific ways or in delaying and obstructing equivalency status. I am not saying that they are (I simply don't know), but that they could.
  • Floater said:

    twitter.com/DrEricDing/status/1364606790101565441

    Has any bodies stock gone down quite so much quite so quickly as Cuomo's?
  • EndillionEndillion Posts: 4,976
    rcs1000 said:

    It's also a bit weird, because the "European Union" has no ability or capability to lure firms away from the UK. (Absent some regional development funds, and I can't think that Calabria is trying to get Goldman Sachs to move there.)

    The vast bulk of any "luring" is being done by cities and countries inside the EU. (And is no different, of course, from the luring that we are doing to try and get pharmaceutical companies to set up production in the UK.)
    Also worth noting that the EU is famously not a big fan of Ireland's success at "luring" lots of big multinational companies into relocating there - albeit not so much for the results, as for the means employed.
  • TimTTimT Posts: 6,468

    I presume MRDA does not mean Men's Roller Derby Association.
  • squareroot2squareroot2 Posts: 7,011
    Nigelb said:

    Haven't a clue.
    But it needs settling out in the open, rather than brushing under the carpet.

    Which you might think argues in one direction.
    One can only hope that questions are asked and the truth is made clear. Are there any sharks circling?
  • EndillionEndillion Posts: 4,976
    DougSeal said:

    Indeed. Credit to the Prime MInister and his Dad for getting this out so quickly though.
    They're just the sleeping partners; Jo and Rachel have done all the work.
  • If that subsample was in any way representative, order popcorn. Lots of it.
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 18,626
    kinabalu said:

    I dip in and out of Ash Sarkar - who I like and rate - but on the whole I steer clear of Novara.

    Owen Jones is imo the best guide to what's hot and what's not on the modern metro left.
    She of the 'literally a communist'? And 'luxury communism', whatever the eff that is? I can only assume she thinks she would get to shop at the communist party officials only shops come the revolution...
    Still I can watch the Novara Media election 2019 coverage over and over, and it still makes me smile...

    There is no place for communism in this world. Every time its been tried there have been mass executions and cratered economies.
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 39,820
    rcs1000 said:

    It's also a bit weird, because the "European Union" has no ability or capability to lure firms away from the UK. (Absent some regional development funds, and I can't think that Calabria is trying to get Goldman Sachs to move there.)

    The vast bulk of any "luring" is being done by cities and countries inside the EU. (And is no different, of course, from the luring that we are doing to try and get pharmaceutical companies to set up production in the UK.)
    Yup agree with this and as I said yesterday, anecdotally the movement seems to be from the EU cities to London, at least in terms of employment. Unsurprisingly EU based companies want access to London's vast facilities and capital markets should the EU decide against equivalence.

    Bailey was always the wrong person to lead the BoE. We should have worked much harder to get Raghuram Rajan into the job.
  • TimT said:


    I presume MRDA does not mean Men's Roller Derby Association.
    Mandy Rice-Davies Applies "Well, he would, wouldn't he?"
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 44,804
    Nigelb said:

    Haven't a clue.
    But it needs settling out in the open, rather than brushing under the carpet.

    Which you might think argues in one direction.
    I don't know either. I instinctively trust Sturgeon more than Salmon, and the evidence from his trial, whilst not quibbling the verdict, didn't make me revise my opinion of him upwards, plus I'd have thought the Sindy movement needs her more than him, but that's about the extent of my view.
  • DougSealDougSeal Posts: 12,746
    edited February 2021

    Decline in cases resuming - last wed 12,718, this 9,938. Someone postulated about the weather affecting the cases - its seems a possibility.
    I mentioned that the freezing weather a couple of weeks ago might have had something to do with this - people being indoors more and just generally breathing on each other. There is a Twitter thread here discussing the issue. TLDR - there may be something in my theory but the correlation is not strong enough to be definative.

    https://twitter.com/DevanSinha/status/1364370077320155139
  • TimTTimT Posts: 6,468
    Endillion said:

    They're just the sleeping partners; Jo and Rachel have done all the work.
    Now I have to get the mind bleach out to scrub my mind of that image of Boris and Dad as sleeping partners.
  • BurgessianBurgessian Posts: 2,979

    Has any bodies stock gone down quite so much quite so quickly as Cuomo's?
    Flyin' Ted? (Cruz)
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 59,385
    MaxPB said:

    Yup agree with this and as I said yesterday, anecdotally the movement seems to be from the EU cities to London, at least in terms of employment. Unsurprisingly EU based companies want access to London's vast facilities and capital markets should the EU decide against equivalence.

    Bailey was always the wrong person to lead the BoE. We should have worked much harder to get Raghuram Rajan into the job.
    My gut - and I'm not close to this any more - is that the only EU city that has really managed to get any meaningful traction is Amsterdam.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 73,536
    DougSeal said:

    Indeed. Credit to the Prime MInister and his Dad for getting this out so quickly though.
    THey both have quite a reputation for getting it out quickly and often.
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 43,703
    edited February 2021
    kinabalu said:

    Yep, good point. It's a tricky one. To complain with credibility about the right wing media you must consume some of it. Which is a tough gig. A different and (imo) interesting way to look at the bias is that the crazy left wing stuff like Novara Media is fringe but it's equivalent on the right - the Sun, the Mail, the Telegraph etc - is mainstream. This creates advantage for the right. Of course you could say - indeed I think you already have - this simply reflects the balance of people's views but I don't fully buy that. I think it also reinforces them. There's an influence there, insidious and significant.
    If it's the chicken of the masses being lead by the media or the egg of the media following the masses, I will plump for the latter. They do what they can to sell papers. Why is Novara Media fringe? Because not many people support it (as in consume it - there are options to support them financially also on their website).

    If it is a case of the media dictating the agenda and thereby forcing people to follow their own line, how come the left-leaning media is so useless at it according to the "right wing media" narrative?

    Do you or your views feel shaken after a day, courtesy of Rupert, with Giles, Matthew, Deborah et al?
  • TimTTimT Posts: 6,468
    DougSeal said:

    I mentioned that the freezing weather a couple of weeks ago might have had something to do with this - people being indoors more and just generally breathing on eah other. There is a Twitter thread here discussing the issue. TLDR - there may be something in my theory but the correlation is not strong enough to be definative.

    https://twitter.com/DevanSinha/status/1364370077320155139
    Would you expect strong correlations when there are many factors effecting transmissibility and you cannot control for all of them?
  • TimTTimT Posts: 6,468

    Flyin' Ted? (Cruz)
    He only went from basement to sub-basement
  • rkrkrkrkrkrk Posts: 8,635
    Endillion said:

    Ok let's think this one through properly.

    We can presumably agree on the Telegraph and Mail being right wing, and the Guardian and the Mirror being left. So let's call that a wash; it's not my fault the right wing variants are so much more popular.

    The Express is clearly right wing. The Star should be roughly its left wing equivalent, based on ownership, although its editorial line is very unclear to me (and it seems from a quick Google that I'm not alone). But in theory that should be a wash.

    The Independent, we can disagree on whether it is actually independent, but it certainly isn't right wing.

    The Financial Times and City AM aren't all that political and have circulations far too small to matter mostly consisting of people who aren't traditional swing voters.

    The Metro and the Standard... I've never been able to discern any form of political editorial line from either; they function mostly as celebrity trash mags..

    So that leaves the Sun and the Times. And means that the argument that we have a "right wing press" that is unduly influencing elections rests solely on the shoulders of Rupert Murdoch, a man who famously backed Tony Blair and Gordon Brown (as Chancellor, if not as PM) for well over a decade. And, is there really that much evidence that either paper is all that enthusiastic about the current administration?
    Whether you look by number of papers or circulation it is clear that the political distribution of newspapers does not match the political distribution of the electorate.

    On your specific points - the Standard is run by George Osborne and endorsed the Conservative party in 2019 and 2017. The Sun always endorses the Tories except for Tony Blair.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 98,566
    DougSeal said:

    Indeed. Credit to the Prime MInister and his Dad for getting this out so quickly though.
    Jo still being left out I see.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 34,295
    edited February 2021
    Kohli bowled by Leach for 27.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 98,566
    It's not even as though Merkel needed to worry about reelection, not sure why her government leaked what it did.
  • TimTTimT Posts: 6,468

    Mandy Rice-Davies Applies "Well, he would, wouldn't he?"
    Thanks. I got there, but I had to Google, and the Men's Roller Derby Association was the first hit.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 73,536
    So, remind me again how today it would be all about seam and that gave England the advantage?
  • DougSealDougSeal Posts: 12,746
    TimT said:

    Would you expect strong correlations when there are many factors effecting transmissibility and you cannot control for all of them?
    I'm not a scientist - I'm a lawyer. Over the last year I have had to train myself not to try and make the facts support my case and I still have a lot to learn!
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 44,804
    TOPPING said:

    The non-tetch thing didn't last long did it.
    That was sunshine itself. I almost always feel bad after I've written a bad tempered post so it's in my own interests not to. Even Morris Dancer can't provoke me these days.
  • EndillionEndillion Posts: 4,976
    Rather than shooting its citizens in the arm, which was presumably the intention.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 59,385
    TimT said:

    But presumably the European Union can assist in making it more difficult for London to get equivalency and to compete by either changing EU rules in very specific ways or in delaying and obstructing equivalency status. I am not saying that they are (I simply don't know), but that they could.
    Sure, but I think that is less of a barrier than you'd think. Firms in the UK get people registered with the SEC all the time. It's a massive pain, but it's not *that* hard, and it's not like every employee needs it.

    The EU has pull in two areas: one is derivatives clearing, where the clearing house is indirectly baked by the central bank, and I suspect that will migrate to the EU. (But the number of jobs is de minimis here.) The other regards supervision of the trading activities of EU banks. Here there are potentially bigger moves: but there really aren't that many EU banks with big UK trading operations - BNP is mostly in Paris, and Deutsche has been in decline for some time.
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,939
    Floater said:
    Hi @floater. FPT. My partner, aged 47, had the Oxford last Thursday.
    She is still feeling weak and off colour, but not enough to be off work. Another anecdote that the younger you are, the worse the vaccine affects some .
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 44,804

    Your other great skill is constantly forcing me to wonder why there's no option to give half-likes to posts...
    Ooo I am awful - but you half like me. :smile:
  • CookieCookie Posts: 14,815
    kinabalu said:

    I don't know either. I instinctively trust Sturgeon more than Salmon, and the evidence from his trial, whilst not quibbling the verdict, didn't make me revise my opinion of him upwards, plus I'd have thought the Sindy movement needs her more than him, but that's about the extent of my view.
    I know I'm supposed to treat him as a bogeyman, but I always quite liked Salmond. He always came across (to me, at least) as witty, genial and quite human.
    Whereas I get the impression Nicola Sturgeon hates me and everyone else in England, personally and furiously.
    Impressions from afar, and all that, and of course I'm not the target voter for either of them.
  • Gavin Williamson doing the 5pm press conference, more hotly anticipated than Hundred cricket competition....
  • FloaterFloater Posts: 14,207
    dixiedean said:

    Hi @floater. FPT. My partner, aged 47, had the Oxford last Thursday.
    She is still feeling weak and off colour, but not enough to be off work. Another anecdote that the younger you are, the worse the vaccine affects some .
    Thank you for taking the time to respond - I will shorty be escorting her to her jab to ensure no backsliding :smiley:
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 73,536

    Gavin Williamson doing the 5pm press conference, more hotly anticipated than Hundred cricket competition....

    Overpiced, won't do any good, everyone knows it's a train wreck but it has to somehow work as the alternatives are totally unthinkable?
  • DougSealDougSeal Posts: 12,746
    I don't remember who I was having the brief discussion with abut 633 Squadron and the Death Star attack scene in Star Wars - A New Hope but, whoever it was, enjoy -

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4OZq-tlJTrU
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 44,804
    felix said:

    My tuppence worth would say publish everything. Presumably if she is confident in her case that would be the way in an open democracy to demonstrate it. Disclaimer: I cannot stand either of them!
    You're an Ian Blackford man, are you?
  • EndillionEndillion Posts: 4,976
    rkrkrk said:

    Whether you look by number of papers or circulation it is clear that the political distribution of newspapers does not match the political distribution of the electorate.

    On your specific points - the Standard is run by George Osborne and endorsed the Conservative party in 2019 and 2017. The Sun always endorses the Tories except for Tony Blair.
    "It is clear"? To whom, exactly? I've just outlined the distribution by paper and it does not support your analysis. The fact that more people buy right wing papers than left is because there are more of them in the country to begin with, not because of some nefarious goings-on by dodgy cigar-chomping magnates.

    Also, Osborne was editor of the Standard - not the owner - from 2017 only, and has now left. His replacement is apparently Samantha Cameron's sister, albeit I'm not sure how much that has influenced her politics. In any event, the Standard's distribution is pretty much limited to London, which is the one area of the country where the Tories went backwards in 2019, so I don't think this helps your point in the slightest.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 34,295
    Thanks for posting, although its annoying when they dont break down the 9% Others.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 26,634
    edited February 2021
    rcs1000 said:

    Sure, but I think that is less of a barrier than you'd think. Firms in the UK get people registered with the SEC all the time. It's a massive pain, but it's not *that* hard, and it's not like every employee needs it.

    The EU has pull in two areas: one is derivatives clearing, where the clearing house is indirectly baked by the central bank, and I suspect that will migrate to the EU. (But the number of jobs is de minimis here.) The other regards supervision of the trading activities of EU banks. Here there are potentially bigger moves: but there really aren't that many EU banks with big UK trading operations - BNP is mostly in Paris, and Deutsche has been in decline for some time.
    IS not the context here the comments of various figures that it was important that the UK be "punished" for leaving the EU, very early in the process?

    Of course the regulatory process will be used to make it difficult for the UK, whether fair and consistent, or not.

    We know that. That's just S.O.P.
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