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@IshmaelZ are you trying to tell me that:
“What’s your location” “hang on” ..... “zebra pig tuesday”
is better than:
“We already know your location, we’re on our way.”0 -
This was sadly inevitable. China looking more and more like 1930s Germany.
https://www.twitter.com/next_china/status/12887090812141895680 -
Tony Hancock's The Radio Ham needs to be re-written for the modern age.0
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What we need now is bloody good shouting match about MGRS and Universal Transverse Mercator.0
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2nd horses usually above my pay grade, but I applaud the principle.TOPPING said:
Exactly.IshmaelZ said:
You are lost, cold, frightened and broken-legged, in a blizzard, on a mountain, with a phone and signal. Is it easier to get w3w to say "sausageanteaterwank" to you, and relay that down the phone, or find and relay your lat/long? I sometimes navigate yachts, and lat/long is clunky as feck even if you are sitting comfortably at a well-equipped chart table.Gallowgate said:
Long/lat coordinates. They already exist. What3Words is not an improvement.IshmaelZ said:
Proprietary like, oooh, photoshop, mathematica, macos, and large parts of python? OK, write a superior open source competitor if you think you're 'ard enough.Gallowgate said:
But it isn’t. It’s a proprietary solution for something that is already open and available.TOPPING said:
I love what3words it is great for what it is ie be able to pinpoint a location you need to find or you need someone else to find.Gallowgate said:Good blog post on why what3words is crap: https://blog.ldodds.com/2016/06/14/what-3-words-jog-on-mate/
Like I said, if you have GPS available to generate your three words, you also have enough signal to send someone your actual exact location.
Likewise it gives you no locational awareness. henry two football could be 2000 miles away from henry three football. The exact opposite of what you want in a system of this sort.
It's a non-point to say that software does what can already be done, like saying why use a calculator when long division is a thing. Ease of use is the point. the actual emergency services think what3words is the best thing since sliced bread (which obviously never caught on because people could already slice bread with existing technology).
Google Maps also has their own solution.
Plus it's invaluable to find second horses/your box if you are visiting and don't know the country.0 -
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For privacy purposes your location isn't automatically shared with anyone you call.Gallowgate said:@IshmaelZ are you trying to tell me that:
“What’s your location” “hang on” ..... “zebra pig tuesday”
is better than:
“We already know your location, we’re on our way.”0 -
I’ve already demonstrated that it is. With the emergency services.Philip_Thompson said:
For privacy purposes your location isn't automatically shared with anyone you call.Gallowgate said:@IshmaelZ are you trying to tell me that:
“What’s your location” “hang on” ..... “zebra pig tuesday”
is better than:
“We already know your location, we’re on our way.”
Obviously it does not share it if I called you.1 -
Great if true. In the meantime w3w is a useful stopgap for those who don't have latest gen iphones.Gallowgate said:
I’ve just demonstrated that iPhones specifically have a feature for relaying your exact location to emergency services.IshmaelZ said:
OK. Ask the next ambulance driver or mountain rescue bod you meet what s/he thinks about it.Gallowgate said:
If you have signal, your phone is already relaying your location to the emergency services, is it not? If not, then it should.IshmaelZ said:
You are lost, cold, frightened and broken-legged, in a blizzard, on a mountain, with a phone and signal. Is it easier to get w3w to say "sausageanteaterwank" to you, and relay that down the phone, or find and relay your lat/long? I sometimes navigate yachts, and lat/long is clunky as feck even if you are sitting comfortably at a well-equipped chart table.Gallowgate said:
Long/lat coordinates. They already exist. What3Words is not an improvement.IshmaelZ said:
Proprietary like, oooh, photoshop, mathematica, macos, and large parts of python? OK, write a superior open source competitor if you think you're 'ard enough.Gallowgate said:
But it isn’t. It’s a proprietary solution for something that is already open and available.TOPPING said:
I love what3words it is great for what it is ie be able to pinpoint a location you need to find or you need someone else to find.Gallowgate said:Good blog post on why what3words is crap: https://blog.ldodds.com/2016/06/14/what-3-words-jog-on-mate/
Like I said, if you have GPS available to generate your three words, you also have enough signal to send someone your actual exact location.
Likewise it gives you no locational awareness. henry two football could be 2000 miles away from henry three football. The exact opposite of what you want in a system of this sort.
It's a non-point to say that software does what can already be done, like saying why use a calculator when long division is a thing. Ease of use is the point. the actual emergency services think what3words is the best thing since sliced bread (which obviously never caught on because people could already slice bread with existing technology).
Google Maps also has their own solution.
This proprietary system is just an extra, unnecessary layer on top of what we already have.
You do know there's competing, equally legit formats for lat/long? 50.557899, -3.963901
and 50°33'28.4"N 3°57'50.0"W are synonyms. Try negotiating over the phone which format you are using, and then relaying the data.
Phones aren't "relaying your data," and what a waste of battery if they were.
If we don’t support that, I’d be asking serious questions why.
It involves ZERO user engagement. That’s the point.0 -
Yes - but that's a collateral benefit not the main point of it.MarqueeMark said:
You've just crashed millions of school-related house prices at stroke.kinabalu said:
I prefer to focus on what is being created. Every child going to their excellent local school. All catered for and given the chance to blossom. Flexible. Diverse. All the angst and division around eduction that we see today eliminated along with its toxic propagation of class inequality. As I say - a great prize.HYUFD said:
I know, you want to abolish all private schools, grammar schools and religious schools.kinabalu said:
There will be little or none of that as I envisage things. Certainly no vicar involvement. What there will be is a transformed social and educational landscape.HYUFD said:
By sending their children private to a grammar or by buying a house in an outstanding comp or academy catchment area or going to church more often to get a vicar's note to get into onekinabalu said:
They will need to elevate and keep their eyes on the prize.HYUFD said:
Unless you make all comps outstanding that is never happening, middle class parents will not touch inadequate or requires improvement comps with a bargepolekinabalu said:
Maybe not double (salary) but I will launch myself into your good books by saying that imo the transformation of teaching into a high status high pay profession to rank with law and medicine is my silver bullet along with 100% comps, no privates, resource skewed towards disadvantaged areas.Fysics_Teacher said:
I’d settle for that SSR myself.kinabalu said:
Is that a policy you support then - you being paid double?ydoethur said:
I dunno. If teachers were paid double what they are in the state sector and had a 1:7 SSR (without checking) I think many of our educational problems would disappear.kamski said:
Hilarious trolling.Philip_Thompson said:
I see no scandal. It simply shows that Eton is a good school and should be encouraged to be as good as it can be so that the public sector can learn from it.kinabalu said:
Stonking point. Thus of the last 7 eligible Tory PMs, FIVE (!) went to Eton. A scandal really when you stop to think about it. How on earth can this be?Carnyx said:The dominance of Eton in Tory PMs is even greater when one remembers that PMs Thatcher and (possibly, in terms of admitting females to the sixth form at the time?) May were disqualified from Eton anyway by being girls.
I’ve seen a lot of my colleagues head off to the independent sector over the years. Possibly half of the ones that don’t leave by retirement.
"Mum, I've decided to become an investment banker."
"Oh, Ok darling. I see."
"You don't seem pleased."
"It's not that. It's just that you're so bright and everything - me and your father were rather hoping you might aim a little higher than that. Try and get into teaching even."
"Where did you go to school?"
"Er, what do you mean? ... I went to school."
THIS is the prize.
However to get true equality you will also have to abolish all outstanding or even just good comprehensives and academies too, we cannot have anyone getting an advantage now can we.
Which would end up about as effective as abolishing Waitrose, Marks and Spencer and Sainsburys and making everyone shop at Lidl or Asda
"Where should we send Peter to school, honey?"
"Er, what are you talking about, where? - he's going to school."
"Oh right. So I guess we don't have to obsess about it for ages then."
"Correct. Fancy a curry tonight?"
On which subject, a friend has just put their Dartmouth property on the market for 20-25% more than they were expecting. They have two viewings today. The agent expects it will be sold within 10 days. It's just flying out the door in south Devon.
Re a mini property boom, I do hope this is not to an extent because of the stamp duty concession. Overpay by £30k to save £15k. Such crazy things can and sometimes do happen in the housing market.0 -
Of course w3w is fine for redundancy and those with older phones.IshmaelZ said:
Great if true. In the meantime w3w is a useful stopgap for those who don't have latest gen iphones.Gallowgate said:
I’ve just demonstrated that iPhones specifically have a feature for relaying your exact location to emergency services.IshmaelZ said:
OK. Ask the next ambulance driver or mountain rescue bod you meet what s/he thinks about it.Gallowgate said:
If you have signal, your phone is already relaying your location to the emergency services, is it not? If not, then it should.IshmaelZ said:
You are lost, cold, frightened and broken-legged, in a blizzard, on a mountain, with a phone and signal. Is it easier to get w3w to say "sausageanteaterwank" to you, and relay that down the phone, or find and relay your lat/long? I sometimes navigate yachts, and lat/long is clunky as feck even if you are sitting comfortably at a well-equipped chart table.Gallowgate said:
Long/lat coordinates. They already exist. What3Words is not an improvement.IshmaelZ said:
Proprietary like, oooh, photoshop, mathematica, macos, and large parts of python? OK, write a superior open source competitor if you think you're 'ard enough.Gallowgate said:
But it isn’t. It’s a proprietary solution for something that is already open and available.TOPPING said:
I love what3words it is great for what it is ie be able to pinpoint a location you need to find or you need someone else to find.Gallowgate said:Good blog post on why what3words is crap: https://blog.ldodds.com/2016/06/14/what-3-words-jog-on-mate/
Like I said, if you have GPS available to generate your three words, you also have enough signal to send someone your actual exact location.
Likewise it gives you no locational awareness. henry two football could be 2000 miles away from henry three football. The exact opposite of what you want in a system of this sort.
It's a non-point to say that software does what can already be done, like saying why use a calculator when long division is a thing. Ease of use is the point. the actual emergency services think what3words is the best thing since sliced bread (which obviously never caught on because people could already slice bread with existing technology).
Google Maps also has their own solution.
This proprietary system is just an extra, unnecessary layer on top of what we already have.
You do know there's competing, equally legit formats for lat/long? 50.557899, -3.963901
and 50°33'28.4"N 3°57'50.0"W are synonyms. Try negotiating over the phone which format you are using, and then relaying the data.
Phones aren't "relaying your data," and what a waste of battery if they were.
If we don’t support that, I’d be asking serious questions why.
It involves ZERO user engagement. That’s the point.
It just isn’t THE solution for the future.0 -
Gallowgate would let the bloke's boat sink if he insisted on using W3W.Alphabet_Soup said:Tony Hancock's The Radio Ham needs to be re-written for the modern age.
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Certainly very hard to win now without inside info unless you are prepared to devote yourself to it.malcolmg said:
I used to win a fair bit, was a champion marker in days before they had TV in bookies and it was all radio with odds on blackboards.kinabalu said:
Did you manage to pass the horses?malcolmg said:
I did Latin in Ayrshire but as I was a lazy sod , I dropped it later on , preferred the horses.DavidL said:
A friend of mine went to a school in Ayrshire. They were not allowed to have streaming so the Head Master used the time table. Bright kids were encouraged to take Latin. When they did they ended up in different classes for the sciences, maths and English, smaller and well above average. It certainly worked for him.Gallowgate said:We had different “sets” at my comp in the 2000s. Is that what you mean by “streaming”? There was higher and lower sets for english, maths, and science.
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And rightly so.Dura_Ace said:
Gallowgate would let the bloke's boat sink if he insisted on using W3W.Alphabet_Soup said:Tony Hancock's The Radio Ham needs to be re-written for the modern age.
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Your plan will boost house prices even more, abolish private and grammar schools and middle class parents will pay a fortune for houses in the catchment areas of outstanding state comprehensive or academieskinabalu said:
Yes - but that's a collateral benefit not the main point of it.MarqueeMark said:
You've just crashed millions of school-related house prices at stroke.kinabalu said:
I prefer to focus on what is being created. Every child going to their excellent local school. All catered for and given the chance to blossom. Flexible. Diverse. All the angst and division around eduction that we see today eliminated along with its toxic propagation of class inequality. As I say - a great prize.HYUFD said:
I know, you want to abolish all private schools, grammar schools and religious schools.kinabalu said:
There will be little or none of that as I envisage things. Certainly no vicar involvement. What there will be is a transformed social and educational landscape.HYUFD said:
By sending their children private to a grammar or by buying a house in an outstanding comp or academy catchment area or going to church more often to get a vicar's note to get into onekinabalu said:
They will need to elevate and keep their eyes on the prize.HYUFD said:
Unless you make all comps outstanding that is never happening, middle class parents will not touch inadequate or requires improvement comps with a bargepolekinabalu said:
Maybe not double (salary) but I will launch myself into your good books by saying that imo the transformation of teaching into a high status high pay profession to rank with law and medicine is my silver bullet along with 100% comps, no privates, resource skewed towards disadvantaged areas.Fysics_Teacher said:
I’d settle for that SSR myself.kinabalu said:
Is that a policy you support then - you being paid double?ydoethur said:
I dunno. If teachers were paid double what they are in the state sector and had a 1:7 SSR (without checking) I think many of our educational problems would disappear.kamski said:
Hilarious trolling.Philip_Thompson said:
I see no scandal. It simply shows that Eton is a good school and should be encouraged to be as good as it can be so that the public sector can learn from it.kinabalu said:
Stonking point. Thus of the last 7 eligible Tory PMs, FIVE (!) went to Eton. A scandal really when you stop to think about it. How on earth can this be?Carnyx said:The dominance of Eton in Tory PMs is even greater when one remembers that PMs Thatcher and (possibly, in terms of admitting females to the sixth form at the time?) May were disqualified from Eton anyway by being girls.
I’ve seen a lot of my colleagues head off to the independent sector over the years. Possibly half of the ones that don’t leave by retirement.
"Mum, I've decided to become an investment banker."
"Oh, Ok darling. I see."
"You don't seem pleased."
"It's not that. It's just that you're so bright and everything - me and your father were rather hoping you might aim a little higher than that. Try and get into teaching even."
"Where did you go to school?"
"Er, what do you mean? ... I went to school."
THIS is the prize.
However to get true equality you will also have to abolish all outstanding or even just good comprehensives and academies too, we cannot have anyone getting an advantage now can we.
Which would end up about as effective as abolishing Waitrose, Marks and Spencer and Sainsburys and making everyone shop at Lidl or Asda
"Where should we send Peter to school, honey?"
"Er, what are you talking about, where? - he's going to school."
"Oh right. So I guess we don't have to obsess about it for ages then."
"Correct. Fancy a curry tonight?"
On which subject, a friend has just put their Dartmouth property on the market for 20-25% more than they were expecting. They have two viewings today. The agent expects it will be sold within 10 days. It's just flying out the door in south Devon.
Re a mini property boom, I do hope this is not to an extent because of the stamp duty concession. Overpay by £30k to save £15k. Such crazy things can and sometimes do happen in the housing market.0 -
A first horse is above my pay grade - have you seen how much those things eat?IshmaelZ said:
2nd horses usually above my pay grade, but I applaud the principle.TOPPING said:
Exactly.IshmaelZ said:
You are lost, cold, frightened and broken-legged, in a blizzard, on a mountain, with a phone and signal. Is it easier to get w3w to say "sausageanteaterwank" to you, and relay that down the phone, or find and relay your lat/long? I sometimes navigate yachts, and lat/long is clunky as feck even if you are sitting comfortably at a well-equipped chart table.Gallowgate said:
Long/lat coordinates. They already exist. What3Words is not an improvement.IshmaelZ said:
Proprietary like, oooh, photoshop, mathematica, macos, and large parts of python? OK, write a superior open source competitor if you think you're 'ard enough.Gallowgate said:
But it isn’t. It’s a proprietary solution for something that is already open and available.TOPPING said:
I love what3words it is great for what it is ie be able to pinpoint a location you need to find or you need someone else to find.Gallowgate said:Good blog post on why what3words is crap: https://blog.ldodds.com/2016/06/14/what-3-words-jog-on-mate/
Like I said, if you have GPS available to generate your three words, you also have enough signal to send someone your actual exact location.
Likewise it gives you no locational awareness. henry two football could be 2000 miles away from henry three football. The exact opposite of what you want in a system of this sort.
It's a non-point to say that software does what can already be done, like saying why use a calculator when long division is a thing. Ease of use is the point. the actual emergency services think what3words is the best thing since sliced bread (which obviously never caught on because people could already slice bread with existing technology).
Google Maps also has their own solution.
Plus it's invaluable to find second horses/your box if you are visiting and don't know the country.0 -
When my stepfather married my mother in the late sixties, one of their wedding presents from a well-known jockey at the time was a tip in a rigged race - 20-1. Very nice. Except for those times when his horse should have won, but the jockey was instructed not to...kinabalu said:
Certainly very hard to win now without inside info unless you are prepared to devote yourself to it.malcolmg said:
I used to win a fair bit, was a champion marker in days before they had TV in bookies and it was all radio with odds on blackboards.kinabalu said:
Did you manage to pass the horses?malcolmg said:
I did Latin in Ayrshire but as I was a lazy sod , I dropped it later on , preferred the horses.DavidL said:
A friend of mine went to a school in Ayrshire. They were not allowed to have streaming so the Head Master used the time table. Bright kids were encouraged to take Latin. When they did they ended up in different classes for the sciences, maths and English, smaller and well above average. It certainly worked for him.Gallowgate said:We had different “sets” at my comp in the 2000s. Is that what you mean by “streaming”? There was higher and lower sets for english, maths, and science.
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Before we do that, let's pause and imagine what the world would look like if the prime meridian ran through Paris.Dura_Ace said:What we need now is bloody good shouting match about MGRS and Universal Transverse Mercator.
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Whether "with" or "of" there was only 12! It that goes to 20 tomorrow there will be talk of a spike. The BBC have been appalling - and I`m its biggest fan up to now - stoking up negativity and fear. BBC News last night showed reporter in Mallorca standing in the street wearing a mask!MarqueeMark said:
The BBC insists on reporting these as people who died "of" Covid, rather than "with" Covid, a positive test that may or may not have been a factor in their death.Malmesbury said:NHS England Hospital numbers out
Headline - 12
7 Days - 10
Yesterday - 0
Unless we have a period of immortality, I guess these double-digit numbers are going to be here a while.0 -
This is hospital data, not PHE all settings (the one mentioned in the news)MarqueeMark said:
The BBC insists on reporting these as people who died "of" Covid, rather than "with" Covid, a positive test that may or may not have been a factor in their death.Malmesbury said:NHS England Hospital numbers out
Headline - 12
7 Days - 10
Yesterday - 0
Unless we have a period of immortality, I guess these double-digit numbers are going to be here a while.
We are already below 10 on Hospital data. At a guess, we could be seeing 0 next week.
As to PHE all settings data - it is still falling as well.
My estimate - for the 2 weeks (29 and 28) where the PHE by day-of-death data overlaps the ONS series is that PHE is 30% higher than ONS for all settings. See last nights thread.0 -
There goes the Greenwich tourism industry, for one.Alphabet_Soup said:
Before we do that, let's pause and imagine what the world would look like if the prime meridian ran through Paris.Dura_Ace said:What we need now is bloody good shouting match about MGRS and Universal Transverse Mercator.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rP3nZ13AULsAlphabet_Soup said:
Before we do that, let's pause and imagine what the world would look like if the prime meridian ran through Paris.Dura_Ace said:What we need now is bloody good shouting match about MGRS and Universal Transverse Mercator.
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Tell me about it.Luckyguy1983 said:
A first horse is above my pay grade - have you seen how much those things eat?IshmaelZ said:
2nd horses usually above my pay grade, but I applaud the principle.TOPPING said:
Exactly.IshmaelZ said:
You are lost, cold, frightened and broken-legged, in a blizzard, on a mountain, with a phone and signal. Is it easier to get w3w to say "sausageanteaterwank" to you, and relay that down the phone, or find and relay your lat/long? I sometimes navigate yachts, and lat/long is clunky as feck even if you are sitting comfortably at a well-equipped chart table.Gallowgate said:
Long/lat coordinates. They already exist. What3Words is not an improvement.IshmaelZ said:
Proprietary like, oooh, photoshop, mathematica, macos, and large parts of python? OK, write a superior open source competitor if you think you're 'ard enough.Gallowgate said:
But it isn’t. It’s a proprietary solution for something that is already open and available.TOPPING said:
I love what3words it is great for what it is ie be able to pinpoint a location you need to find or you need someone else to find.Gallowgate said:Good blog post on why what3words is crap: https://blog.ldodds.com/2016/06/14/what-3-words-jog-on-mate/
Like I said, if you have GPS available to generate your three words, you also have enough signal to send someone your actual exact location.
Likewise it gives you no locational awareness. henry two football could be 2000 miles away from henry three football. The exact opposite of what you want in a system of this sort.
It's a non-point to say that software does what can already be done, like saying why use a calculator when long division is a thing. Ease of use is the point. the actual emergency services think what3words is the best thing since sliced bread (which obviously never caught on because people could already slice bread with existing technology).
Google Maps also has their own solution.
Plus it's invaluable to find second horses/your box if you are visiting and don't know the country.0 -
No. It may however be that specific government decision failures which he is responsible for have meant we are among the very worst hit, if not the worst. Merely being near the top may not be his or the governments fault given relevant factors and that context will need to be borne in mind. But that does not rule out that there may be specific failures he is responsible for not preventing.Andy_JS said:
Is Boris Johnson to blame for (a) the UK's high population density, and (b) the poor health of the UK population with regard to diabetes, obesity, etc?Scott_xP said:
A clear and cold assessment will be needed on that score. I doubt we will get that.0 -
He would have been fined if he hadn’t apart fro. It being good sense.Stocky said:
Whether "with" or "of" there was only 12! It that goes to 20 tomorrow there will be talk of a spike. The BBC have been appalling - and I`m its biggest fan up to now - stoking up negativity and fear. BBC News last night showed reporter in Mallorca standing in the street wearing a mask!MarqueeMark said:
The BBC insists on reporting these as people who died "of" Covid, rather than "with" Covid, a positive test that may or may not have been a factor in their death.Malmesbury said:NHS England Hospital numbers out
Headline - 12
7 Days - 10
Yesterday - 0
Unless we have a period of immortality, I guess these double-digit numbers are going to be here a while.1 -
I hate the BBC - but the reporter could have been arrested if s/he had not worn the mask!Stocky said:
Whether "with" or "of" there was only 12! It that goes to 20 tomorrow there will be talk of a spike. The BBC have been appalling - and I`m its biggest fan up to now - stoking up negativity and fear. BBC News last night showed reporter in Mallorca standing in the street wearing a mask!MarqueeMark said:
The BBC insists on reporting these as people who died "of" Covid, rather than "with" Covid, a positive test that may or may not have been a factor in their death.Malmesbury said:NHS England Hospital numbers out
Headline - 12
7 Days - 10
Yesterday - 0
Unless we have a period of immortality, I guess these double-digit numbers are going to be here a while.0 -
Dont try to trick me into liking a post via insertion of a Pratchett quote.Andy_Cooke said:
Oh, dear, I fear you've missed the point.contrarian said:
What a childish comment.Andy_Cooke said:
How about a compromise in the name of freedom?Philip_Thompson said:
Personal choice doesn't explain why you'd want it. I could choose to stick my head in a fully heated oven too but I can't understand why anyone would want to do that either.Andy_JS said:
Personal choice is one reason.Philip_Thompson said:In the 21st century with online deliveries as well as post etc I can't understand why anyone would want a street with names rather than numbers. Its ineffective nonsense.
Names as well as numbers fair enough. But all homes should have a number, street name and a postcode.
The purpose of an address isn't for you to find your own home, you presumably already know where you live. The purpose of an address is to help others find your home and the best way of doing that is street number, street name and postcode.
Do some people choose not to have a post code either?
People will have the freedom not to bother with a number for their house.
Posties and delivery companies will now have the freedom not to bother to deliver to a house without a number.
Maximum freedom for all.
Which is, of course, that while we are free to do what we like, if we wish to join in with a system or service, we need to comply with certain requirements for that service.
For example, I might not like the format of email addresses, and I'm free to choose something completely incompatible as my email address - but I shouldn't really expect it to work for receiving email from anyone else.
In this case, the issue is around the service being provided in the form of post and parcels. A requirement placed on compatibility with the service (eg postcodes, or, as per the discussion, numbers (given that lacking numbers can impose extra burdens on anyone attempting to fulfil that service)) is not an infringement on anyone's personal freedom. They can do whatever they like there.
It's only an issue if they want to partake in that specific service. Then the consequences would be that they couldn't do that.
As per Terry Pratchett: "The first freedom is the freedom to take the consequences. It is the freedom on which all the others are based."
I hope that helps.
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The most crooked racing I ever saw was at Happy Valley Racetrack in Hong Kong. First race I saw, the favourite was x lengths up. On the home straight, the jockey didn't actually pull up, and starting reading a book. But close.MarqueeMark said:
When my stepfather married my mother in the late sixties, one of their wedding presents from a well-known jockey at the time was a tip in a rigged race - 20-1. Very nice. Except for those times when his horse should have won, but the jockey was instructed not to...kinabalu said:
Certainly very hard to win now without inside info unless you are prepared to devote yourself to it.malcolmg said:
I used to win a fair bit, was a champion marker in days before they had TV in bookies and it was all radio with odds on blackboards.kinabalu said:
Did you manage to pass the horses?malcolmg said:
I did Latin in Ayrshire but as I was a lazy sod , I dropped it later on , preferred the horses.DavidL said:
A friend of mine went to a school in Ayrshire. They were not allowed to have streaming so the Head Master used the time table. Bright kids were encouraged to take Latin. When they did they ended up in different classes for the sciences, maths and English, smaller and well above average. It certainly worked for him.Gallowgate said:We had different “sets” at my comp in the 2000s. Is that what you mean by “streaming”? There was higher and lower sets for english, maths, and science.
All the other races were like that - cheating like wrestling villains in WWF.0 -
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So it is safe to send children to schools but not for adults to vote?Slackbladder said:https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1288818160389558273
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You might view education as akin to the restaurant trade but I don't.HYUFD said:
Utter rubbish, by definition if you live in the posh part of town sending your child to the local school is far more likely to be to an excellent school than parents sending their children to the local school in the rough part of town.kinabalu said:
I prefer to focus on what is being created. Every child going to their excellent local school. All catered for and given the chance to blossom. Flexible. Diverse. All the angst and division around eduction that we see today eliminated along with its toxic propagation of class inequality. As I say - a great prize.HYUFD said:
I know, you want to abolish all private schools, grammar schools and religious schools.kinabalu said:
There will be little or none of that as I envisage things. Certainly no vicar involvement. What there will be is a transformed social and educational landscape.HYUFD said:
By sending their children private to a grammar or by buying a house in an outstanding comp or academy catchment area or going to church more often to get a vicar's note to get into onekinabalu said:
They will need to elevate and keep their eyes on the prize.HYUFD said:
Unless you make all comps outstanding that is never happening, middle class parents will not touch inadequate or requires improvement comps with a bargepolekinabalu said:
Maybe not double (salary) but I will launch myself into your good books by saying that imo the transformation of teaching into a high status high pay profession to rank with law and medicine is my silver bullet along with 100% comps, no privates, resource skewed towards disadvantaged areas.Fysics_Teacher said:
I’d settle for that SSR myself.kinabalu said:
Is that a policy you support then - you being paid double?ydoethur said:
I dunno. If teachers were paid double what they are in the state sector and had a 1:7 SSR (without checking) I think many of our educational problems would disappear.kamski said:
Hilarious trolling.Philip_Thompson said:
I see no scandal. It simply shows that Eton is a good school and should be encouraged to be as good as it can be so that the public sector can learn from it.kinabalu said:
Stonking point. Thus of the last 7 eligible Tory PMs, FIVE (!) went to Eton. A scandal really when you stop to think about it. How on earth can this be?Carnyx said:The dominance of Eton in Tory PMs is even greater when one remembers that PMs Thatcher and (possibly, in terms of admitting females to the sixth form at the time?) May were disqualified from Eton anyway by being girls.
I’ve seen a lot of my colleagues head off to the independent sector over the years. Possibly half of the ones that don’t leave by retirement.
"Mum, I've decided to become an investment banker."
"Oh, Ok darling. I see."
"You don't seem pleased."
"It's not that. It's just that you're so bright and everything - me and your father were rather hoping you might aim a little higher than that. Try and get into teaching even."
"Where did you go to school?"
"Er, what do you mean? ... I went to school."
THIS is the prize.
However to get true equality you will also have to abolish all outstanding or even just good comprehensives and academies too, we cannot have anyone getting an advantage now can we.
Which would end up about as effective as abolishing Waitrose, Marks and Spencer and Sainsburys and making everyone shop at Lidl or Asda
"Where should we send Peter to school, honey?"
"Er, what are you talking about, where? - he's going to school."
"Oh right. So I guess we don't have to obsess about it for ages then."
"Correct. Fancy a curry tonight?"
Plus if you order a curry from an excellent restaurant surely you must abolish that too as it is more expensive than the customers who have to buy from the far less good curry house down the road?
Re your more serious point, you are missing 2 key parts of the proposed reform. (i) Resource will be heavily skewed to schools in disadvantaged areas. (ii) Teaching will be a 'creme de la creme' profession. You probably know the Eric Cantona beer advert? So it will like that with "farmer" replaced by "teacher".
Upshot, struggling schools invested in very seriously and staffed (via incentives) with the best teachers. Better than those in "easier" environments. A few years of this and what we see is gaps closing. And as gaps close, behaviour duly changes and gaps close further. A virtuous circle replaces a vicious one.
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Constitution says no.Slackbladder said:https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1288818160389558273
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"Dutch government will not advise public to wear masks - minister
AMSTERDAM (Reuters) - The Dutch government on Wednesday said it will not advise the public to wear masks to slow the spread of coronavirus, asserting that their effectiveness has not been proven."
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Plan or trolling. If theres outrage from the wrong people he will say it was the latter.Slackbladder said:https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1288818160389558273
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It would certainly make us all easier to bomb. Boom! Boom!Dura_Ace said:What we need now is bloody good shouting match about MGRS and Universal Transverse Mercator.
(As Basil Brush used to say)
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As long as certain sections of society can ensure good education for their children then the rest can get stuffed, why should they care they are ok.kinabalu said:
You might view education as akin to the restaurant trade but I don't.HYUFD said:
Utter rubbish, by definition if you live in the posh part of town sending your child to the local school is far more likely to be to an excellent school than parents sending their children to the local school in the rough part of town.kinabalu said:
I prefer to focus on what is being created. Every child going to their excellent local school. All catered for and given the chance to blossom. Flexible. Diverse. All the angst and division around eduction that we see today eliminated along with its toxic propagation of class inequality. As I say - a great prize.HYUFD said:
I know, you want to abolish all private schools, grammar schools and religious schools.kinabalu said:
There will be little or none of that as I envisage things. Certainly no vicar involvement. What there will be is a transformed social and educational landscape.HYUFD said:
By sending their children private to a grammar or by buying a house in an outstanding comp or academy catchment area or going to church more often to get a vicar's note to get into onekinabalu said:
They will need to elevate and keep their eyes on the prize.HYUFD said:
Unless you make all comps outstanding that is never happening, middle class parents will not touch inadequate or requires improvement comps with a bargepolekinabalu said:
Maybe not double (salary) but I will launch myself into your good books by saying that imo the transformation of teaching into a high status high pay profession to rank with law and medicine is my silver bullet along with 100% comps, no privates, resource skewed towards disadvantaged areas.Fysics_Teacher said:
I’d settle for that SSR myself.kinabalu said:
Is that a policy you support then - you being paid double?ydoethur said:
I dunno. If teachers were paid double what they are in the state sector and had a 1:7 SSR (without checking) I think many of our educational problems would disappear.kamski said:
Hilarious trolling.Philip_Thompson said:
I see no scandal. It simply shows that Eton is a good school and should be encouraged to be as good as it can be so that the public sector can learn from it.kinabalu said:
Stonking point. Thus of the last 7 eligible Tory PMs, FIVE (!) went to Eton. A scandal really when you stop to think about it. How on earth can this be?Carnyx said:The dominance of Eton in Tory PMs is even greater when one remembers that PMs Thatcher and (possibly, in terms of admitting females to the sixth form at the time?) May were disqualified from Eton anyway by being girls.
I’ve seen a lot of my colleagues head off to the independent sector over the years. Possibly half of the ones that don’t leave by retirement.
"Mum, I've decided to become an investment banker."
"Oh, Ok darling. I see."
"You don't seem pleased."
"It's not that. It's just that you're so bright and everything - me and your father were rather hoping you might aim a little higher than that. Try and get into teaching even."
"Where did you go to school?"
"Er, what do you mean? ... I went to school."
THIS is the prize.
However to get true equality you will also have to abolish all outstanding or even just good comprehensives and academies too, we cannot have anyone getting an advantage now can we.
Which would end up about as effective as abolishing Waitrose, Marks and Spencer and Sainsburys and making everyone shop at Lidl or Asda
"Where should we send Peter to school, honey?"
"Er, what are you talking about, where? - he's going to school."
"Oh right. So I guess we don't have to obsess about it for ages then."
"Correct. Fancy a curry tonight?"
Plus if you order a curry from an excellent restaurant surely you must abolish that too as it is more expensive than the customers who have to buy from the far less good curry house down the road?
Re your more serious point, you are missing 2 key parts of the proposed reform. (i) Resource will be heavily skewed to schools in disadvantaged areas. (ii) Teaching will be a 'creme de la creme' profession. You probably know the Eric Cantona beer advert? So it will like that with "farmer" replaced by "teacher".
Upshot, struggling schools invested in very seriously and staffed (via incentives) with the best teachers. Better than those in "easier" environments. A few years of this and what we see is gaps closing. And as gaps close, behaviour duly changes and gaps close further. A virtuous circle replaces a vicious one.
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You want socialism in education, the left will not stop there but push for socialism for the whole economy too.kinabalu said:
You might view education as akin to the restaurant trade but I don't.HYUFD said:
Utter rubbish, by definition if you live in the posh part of town sending your child to the local school is far more likely to be to an excellent school than parents sending their children to the local school in the rough part of town.kinabalu said:
I prefer to focus on what is being created. Every child going to their excellent local school. All catered for and given the chance to blossom. Flexible. Diverse. All the angst and division around eduction that we see today eliminated along with its toxic propagation of class inequality. As I say - a great prize.HYUFD said:
I know, you want to abolish all private schools, grammar schools and religious schools.kinabalu said:
There will be little or none of that as I envisage things. Certainly no vicar involvement. What there will be is a transformed social and educational landscape.HYUFD said:
By sending their children private to a grammar or by buying a house in an outstanding comp or academy catchment area or going to church more often to get a vicar's note to get into onekinabalu said:
They will need to elevate and keep their eyes on the prize.HYUFD said:
Unless you make all comps outstanding that is never happening, middle class parents will not touch inadequate or requires improvement comps with a bargepolekinabalu said:
Maybe not double (salary) but I will launch myself into your good books by saying that imo the transformation of teaching into a high status high pay profession to rank with law and medicine is my silver bullet along with 100% comps, no privates, resource skewed towards disadvantaged areas.Fysics_Teacher said:
I’d settle for that SSR myself.kinabalu said:
Is that a policy you support then - you being paid double?ydoethur said:
I dunno. If teachers were paid double what they are in the state sector and had a 1:7 SSR (without checking) I think many of our educational problems would disappear.kamski said:
Hilarious trolling.Philip_Thompson said:
I see no scandal. It simply shows that Eton is a good school and should be encouraged to be as good as it can be so that the public sector can learn from it.kinabalu said:
Stonking point. Thus of the last 7 eligible Tory PMs, FIVE (!) went to Eton. A scandal really when you stop to think about it. How on earth can this be?Carnyx said:The dominance of Eton in Tory PMs is even greater when one remembers that PMs Thatcher and (possibly, in terms of admitting females to the sixth form at the time?) May were disqualified from Eton anyway by being girls.
I’ve seen a lot of my colleagues head off to the independent sector over the years. Possibly half of the ones that don’t leave by retirement.
"Mum, I've decided to become an investment banker."
"Oh, Ok darling. I see."
"You don't seem pleased."
"It's not that. It's just that you're so bright and everything - me and your father were rather hoping you might aim a little higher than that. Try and get into teaching even."
"Where did you go to school?"
"Er, what do you mean? ... I went to school."
THIS is the prize.
However to get true equality you will also have to abolish all outstanding or even just good comprehensives and academies too, we cannot have anyone getting an advantage now can we.
Which would end up about as effective as abolishing Waitrose, Marks and Spencer and Sainsburys and making everyone shop at Lidl or Asda
"Where should we send Peter to school, honey?"
"Er, what are you talking about, where? - he's going to school."
"Oh right. So I guess we don't have to obsess about it for ages then."
"Correct. Fancy a curry tonight?"
Plus if you order a curry from an excellent restaurant surely you must abolish that too as it is more expensive than the customers who have to buy from the far less good curry house down the road?
Re your more serious point, you are missing 2 key parts of the proposed reform. (i) Resource will be heavily skewed to schools in disadvantaged areas. (ii) Teaching will be a 'creme de la creme' profession. You probably know the Eric Cantona beer advert? So it will like that with "farmer" replaced by "teacher".
Upshot, struggling schools invested in very seriously and staffed (via incentives) with the best teachers. Better than those in "easier" environments. A few years of this and what we see is gaps closing. And as gaps close, behaviour duly changes and gaps close further. A virtuous circle replaces a vicious one.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QENzkzKshpQ
You can spend as much money as you want on disadvantaged areas, without good head teachers and motivated pupils and parents it will not make much difference.
Plus unless you pay every teacher a six figure salary and require most of them to have Oxbridge and Russell Group degrees it is never going to be an absolutely top profession like being a commercial lawyer or a surgeon or investment banker0 -
IIRC Trump doesn't have the power to delay an election does he?
It would require a constitutional amendment to change the election from the first Tuesday after the first Monday in November.2 -
Anyhoo, I like a good constitutional crisis.
I mean who doesn't?2 -
It seems as though Gohmert's colleagues are coming to realise that he is (as he once called Robert Mueller), an 'anal opening'.
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Yes, but that isn't the plan hereTheScreamingEagles said:IIRC Trump doesn't have the power to delay an election does he?
It would require a constitutional amendment to change the election from the first Tuesday after the first Monday in November.
The plan is to make the election result look illegitimate so when he doesn't win he can do everything he can to have it ruled inaccurate and remain in the White House.0 -
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He probably can't prevent the election, nor a change of the Presidency, but he's doing everything he can to claim the result is illegitimate.kle4 said:
Plan or trolling. If theres outrage from the wrong people he will say it was the latter.Slackbladder said:https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1288818160389558273
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I don't think so. Not in droves and not beyond the short term. But in any event I'm not framing an education policy with a view to its impact on house prices. They are enough of an obsession here to start with.HYUFD said:
Your plan will boost house prices even more, abolish private and grammar schools and middle class parents will pay a fortune for houses in the catchment areas of outstanding state comprehensive or academieskinabalu said:
Yes - but that's a collateral benefit not the main point of it.MarqueeMark said:
You've just crashed millions of school-related house prices at stroke.kinabalu said:
I prefer to focus on what is being created. Every child going to their excellent local school. All catered for and given the chance to blossom. Flexible. Diverse. All the angst and division around eduction that we see today eliminated along with its toxic propagation of class inequality. As I say - a great prize.HYUFD said:
I know, you want to abolish all private schools, grammar schools and religious schools.kinabalu said:
There will be little or none of that as I envisage things. Certainly no vicar involvement. What there will be is a transformed social and educational landscape.HYUFD said:
By sending their children private to a grammar or by buying a house in an outstanding comp or academy catchment area or going to church more often to get a vicar's note to get into onekinabalu said:
They will need to elevate and keep their eyes on the prize.HYUFD said:
Unless you make all comps outstanding that is never happening, middle class parents will not touch inadequate or requires improvement comps with a bargepolekinabalu said:
Maybe not double (salary) but I will launch myself into your good books by saying that imo the transformation of teaching into a high status high pay profession to rank with law and medicine is my silver bullet along with 100% comps, no privates, resource skewed towards disadvantaged areas.Fysics_Teacher said:
I’d settle for that SSR myself.kinabalu said:
Is that a policy you support then - you being paid double?ydoethur said:
I dunno. If teachers were paid double what they are in the state sector and had a 1:7 SSR (without checking) I think many of our educational problems would disappear.kamski said:
Hilarious trolling.Philip_Thompson said:
I see no scandal. It simply shows that Eton is a good school and should be encouraged to be as good as it can be so that the public sector can learn from it.kinabalu said:
Stonking point. Thus of the last 7 eligible Tory PMs, FIVE (!) went to Eton. A scandal really when you stop to think about it. How on earth can this be?Carnyx said:The dominance of Eton in Tory PMs is even greater when one remembers that PMs Thatcher and (possibly, in terms of admitting females to the sixth form at the time?) May were disqualified from Eton anyway by being girls.
I’ve seen a lot of my colleagues head off to the independent sector over the years. Possibly half of the ones that don’t leave by retirement.
"Mum, I've decided to become an investment banker."
"Oh, Ok darling. I see."
"You don't seem pleased."
"It's not that. It's just that you're so bright and everything - me and your father were rather hoping you might aim a little higher than that. Try and get into teaching even."
"Where did you go to school?"
"Er, what do you mean? ... I went to school."
THIS is the prize.
However to get true equality you will also have to abolish all outstanding or even just good comprehensives and academies too, we cannot have anyone getting an advantage now can we.
Which would end up about as effective as abolishing Waitrose, Marks and Spencer and Sainsburys and making everyone shop at Lidl or Asda
"Where should we send Peter to school, honey?"
"Er, what are you talking about, where? - he's going to school."
"Oh right. So I guess we don't have to obsess about it for ages then."
"Correct. Fancy a curry tonight?"
On which subject, a friend has just put their Dartmouth property on the market for 20-25% more than they were expecting. They have two viewings today. The agent expects it will be sold within 10 days. It's just flying out the door in south Devon.
Re a mini property boom, I do hope this is not to an extent because of the stamp duty concession. Overpay by £30k to save £15k. Such crazy things can and sometimes do happen in the housing market.0 -
It's not difficult - you only need to find two locations, apparently:Beibheirli_C said:
It would certainly make us all easier to bomb. Boom! Boom!Dura_Ace said:What we need now is bloody good shouting match about MGRS and Universal Transverse Mercator.
(As Basil Brush used to say)
A Brief Guide To Destroying The Royal Air Force
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Yep. Even if he loses it means it wasnt his fault as he was cheated.glw said:
He probably can't prevent the election, nor a change of the Presidency, but he's doing everything he can to claim the result is illegitimate.kle4 said:
Plan or trolling. If theres outrage from the wrong people he will say it was the latter.Slackbladder said:https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1288818160389558273
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The whole of the US economy decreased in size by 33% in 3 months? Really?TheScreamingEagles said:Related to Trump's tweet?
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Interesting there is no mention of the Ordnance Survey NGR in all this talk of postcodes (understandably) and lying on Rannoch Moor in the dark with a broken leg (much less understandably).0
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The main complaint from the Mountain Rescue in Cumbria is people only calling when they phones are already dead as they've used the battery up using the phone as a map...Carnyx said:Interesting there is no mention of the Ordnance Survey NGR in all this talk of postcodes (understandably) and lying on Rannoch Moor in the dark with a broken leg (much less understandably).
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Well done. You’ve just created an incentive for schools to get the worst exam results that they can...kinabalu said:
You might view education as akin to the restaurant trade but I don't.HYUFD said:
Utter rubbish, by definition if you live in the posh part of town sending your child to the local school is far more likely to be to an excellent school than parents sending their children to the local school in the rough part of town.kinabalu said:
I prefer to focus on what is being created. Every child going to their excellent local school. All catered for and given the chance to blossom. Flexible. Diverse. All the angst and division around eduction that we see today eliminated along with its toxic propagation of class inequality. As I say - a great prize.HYUFD said:
I know, you want to abolish all private schools, grammar schools and religious schools.kinabalu said:
There will be little or none of that as I envisage things. Certainly no vicar involvement. What there will be is a transformed social and educational landscape.HYUFD said:
By sending their children private to a grammar or by buying a house in an outstanding comp or academy catchment area or going to church more often to get a vicar's note to get into onekinabalu said:
They will need to elevate and keep their eyes on the prize.HYUFD said:
Unless you make all comps outstanding that is never happening, middle class parents will not touch inadequate or requires improvement comps with a bargepolekinabalu said:
Maybe not double (salary) but I will launch myself into your good books by saying that imo the transformation of teaching into a high status high pay profession to rank with law and medicine is my silver bullet along with 100% comps, no privates, resource skewed towards disadvantaged areas.Fysics_Teacher said:
I’d settle for that SSR myself.kinabalu said:
Is that a policy you support then - you being paid double?ydoethur said:
I dunno. If teachers were paid double what they are in the state sector and had a 1:7 SSR (without checking) I think many of our educational problems would disappear.kamski said:
Hilarious trolling.Philip_Thompson said:
I see no scandal. It simply shows that Eton is a good school and should be encouraged to be as good as it can be so that the public sector can learn from it.kinabalu said:
Stonking point. Thus of the last 7 eligible Tory PMs, FIVE (!) went to Eton. A scandal really when you stop to think about it. How on earth can this be?Carnyx said:The dominance of Eton in Tory PMs is even greater when one remembers that PMs Thatcher and (possibly, in terms of admitting females to the sixth form at the time?) May were disqualified from Eton anyway by being girls.
I’ve seen a lot of my colleagues head off to the independent sector over the years. Possibly half of the ones that don’t leave by retirement.
"Mum, I've decided to become an investment banker."
"Oh, Ok darling. I see."
"You don't seem pleased."
"It's not that. It's just that you're so bright and everything - me and your father were rather hoping you might aim a little higher than that. Try and get into teaching even."
"Where did you go to school?"
"Er, what do you mean? ... I went to school."
THIS is the prize.
However to get true equality you will also have to abolish all outstanding or even just good comprehensives and academies too, we cannot have anyone getting an advantage now can we.
Which would end up about as effective as abolishing Waitrose, Marks and Spencer and Sainsburys and making everyone shop at Lidl or Asda
"Where should we send Peter to school, honey?"
"Er, what are you talking about, where? - he's going to school."
"Oh right. So I guess we don't have to obsess about it for ages then."
"Correct. Fancy a curry tonight?"
Plus if you order a curry from an excellent restaurant surely you must abolish that too as it is more expensive than the customers who have to buy from the far less good curry house down the road?
Re your more serious point, you are missing 2 key parts of the proposed reform. (i) Resource will be heavily skewed to schools in disadvantaged areas. (ii) Teaching will be a 'creme de la creme' profession. You probably know the Eric Cantona beer advert? So it will like that with "farmer" replaced by "teacher".
Upshot, struggling schools invested in very seriously and staffed (via incentives) with the best teachers. Better than those in "easier" environments. A few years of this and what we see is gaps closing. And as gaps close, behaviour duly changes and gaps close further. A virtuous circle replaces a vicious one.
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Annualised it was actually something like a 9.3% dip so better than the UK possibly because people went back to work sooner. The second wave of cases does show that might not have been the best idea.Gallowgate said:
The whole of the US economy decreased in size by 33% in 3 months? Really?TheScreamingEagles said:Related to Trump's tweet?
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I'm showing my age probably, but I cannot conceive of going anywhere in the wilds sans [edit: proper OS paper] map and torch - and the phone as an extra bonus.eek said:
The main complaint from the Mountain Rescue in Cumbria is people only calling when they phones are already dead as they've used the battery up using the phone as a map...Carnyx said:Interesting there is no mention of the Ordnance Survey NGR in all this talk of postcodes (understandably) and lying on Rannoch Moor in the dark with a broken leg (much less understandably).
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That's the problem, people are forgoing the map (and the touch) as the phone has both - until suddenly the phone is without power and you have nothing.Carnyx said:
I'm showing my age probably, but I cannot conceive of going anywhere in the wilds sans map and torch - and the phone as an extra bonus.eek said:
The main complaint from the Mountain Rescue in Cumbria is people only calling when they phones are already dead as they've used the battery up using the phone as a map...Carnyx said:Interesting there is no mention of the Ordnance Survey NGR in all this talk of postcodes (understandably) and lying on Rannoch Moor in the dark with a broken leg (much less understandably).
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Nothing to do with age, just common sense.Carnyx said:
I'm showing my age probably, but I cannot conceive of going anywhere in the wilds sans [edit: proper OS paper] map and torch - and the phone as an extra bonus.eek said:
The main complaint from the Mountain Rescue in Cumbria is people only calling when they phones are already dead as they've used the battery up using the phone as a map...Carnyx said:Interesting there is no mention of the Ordnance Survey NGR in all this talk of postcodes (understandably) and lying on Rannoch Moor in the dark with a broken leg (much less understandably).
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Renault announced a €7.3 billion first six month loss todayGallowgate said:
The whole of the US economy decreased in size by 33% in 3 months? Really?TheScreamingEagles said:Related to Trump's tweet?
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Of course it will, middle class parents want the best schools for their children and will do anything to ensure that.kinabalu said:
I don't think so. Not in droves and not beyond the short term. But in any event I'm not framing an education policy with a view to its impact on house prices. They are enough of an obsession here to start with.HYUFD said:
Your plan will boost house prices even more, abolish private and grammar schools and middle class parents will pay a fortune for houses in the catchment areas of outstanding state comprehensive or academieskinabalu said:
Yes - but that's a collateral benefit not the main point of it.MarqueeMark said:
You've just crashed millions of school-related house prices at stroke.kinabalu said:
I prefer to focus on what is being created. Every child going to their excellent local school. All catered for and given the chance to blossom. Flexible. Diverse. All the angst and division around eduction that we see today eliminated along with its toxic propagation of class inequality. As I say - a great prize.HYUFD said:
I know, you want to abolish all private schools, grammar schools and religious schools.kinabalu said:
There will be little or none of that as I envisage things. Certainly no vicar involvement. What there will be is a transformed social and educational landscape.HYUFD said:
By sending their children private to a grammar or by buying a house in an outstanding comp or academy catchment area or going to church more often to get a vicar's note to get into onekinabalu said:
They will need to elevate and keep their eyes on the prize.HYUFD said:
Unless you make all comps outstanding that is never happening, middle class parents will not touch inadequate or requires improvement comps with a bargepolekinabalu said:
Maybe not double (salary) but I will launch myself into your good books by saying that imo the transformation of teaching into a high status high pay profession to rank with law and medicine is my silver bullet along with 100% comps, no privates, resource skewed towards disadvantaged areas.Fysics_Teacher said:
I’d settle for that SSR myself.kinabalu said:
Is that a policy you support then - you being paid double?ydoethur said:
I dunno. If teachers were paid double what they are in the state sector and had a 1:7 SSR (without checking) I think many of our educational problems would disappear.kamski said:
Hilarious trolling.Philip_Thompson said:
I see no scandal. It simply shows that Eton is a good school and should be encouraged to be as good as it can be so that the public sector can learn from it.kinabalu said:
Stonking point. Thus of the last 7 eligible Tory PMs, FIVE (!) went to Eton. A scandal really when you stop to think about it. How on earth can this be?Carnyx said:The dominance of Eton in Tory PMs is even greater when one remembers that PMs Thatcher and (possibly, in terms of admitting females to the sixth form at the time?) May were disqualified from Eton anyway by being girls.
I’ve seen a lot of my colleagues head off to the independent sector over the years. Possibly half of the ones that don’t leave by retirement.
"Mum, I've decided to become an investment banker."
"Oh, Ok darling. I see."
"You don't seem pleased."
"It's not that. It's just that you're so bright and everything - me and your father were rather hoping you might aim a little higher than that. Try and get into teaching even."
"Where did you go to school?"
"Er, what do you mean? ... I went to school."
THIS is the prize.
However to get true equality you will also have to abolish all outstanding or even just good comprehensives and academies too, we cannot have anyone getting an advantage now can we.
Which would end up about as effective as abolishing Waitrose, Marks and Spencer and Sainsburys and making everyone shop at Lidl or Asda
"Where should we send Peter to school, honey?"
"Er, what are you talking about, where? - he's going to school."
"Oh right. So I guess we don't have to obsess about it for ages then."
"Correct. Fancy a curry tonight?"
On which subject, a friend has just put their Dartmouth property on the market for 20-25% more than they were expecting. They have two viewings today. The agent expects it will be sold within 10 days. It's just flying out the door in south Devon.
Re a mini property boom, I do hope this is not to an extent because of the stamp duty concession. Overpay by £30k to save £15k. Such crazy things can and sometimes do happen in the housing market.0 -
We, we are running the military down to a much smaller level. Soon it will be two biplanes, a trawler with a machine-gun on the front and the army will be two blokes called Nigel..Nigelb said:
It's not difficult - you only need to find two locations, apparently:Beibheirli_C said:
It would certainly make us all easier to bomb. Boom! Boom!Dura_Ace said:What we need now is bloody good shouting match about MGRS and Universal Transverse Mercator.
(As Basil Brush used to say)
A Brief Guide To Destroying The Royal Air Force
https://www.forbes.com/sites/davidaxe/2020/07/29/a-guide-to-destroying-the-royal-air-force/#986976e3ee910 -
Are you saying that working class parents dont want what’s best for their children?HYUFD said:
Of course it will, middle class parents want the best schools for their children and will do anything to ensure that.kinabalu said:
I don't think so. Not in droves and not beyond the short term. But in any event I'm not framing an education policy with a view to its impact on house prices. They are enough of an obsession here to start with.HYUFD said:
Your plan will boost house prices even more, abolish private and grammar schools and middle class parents will pay a fortune for houses in the catchment areas of outstanding state comprehensive or academieskinabalu said:
Yes - but that's a collateral benefit not the main point of it.MarqueeMark said:
You've just crashed millions of school-related house prices at stroke.kinabalu said:
I prefer to focus on what is being created. Every child going to their excellent local school. All catered for and given the chance to blossom. Flexible. Diverse. All the angst and division around eduction that we see today eliminated along with its toxic propagation of class inequality. As I say - a great prize.HYUFD said:
I know, you want to abolish all private schools, grammar schools and religious schools.kinabalu said:
There will be little or none of that as I envisage things. Certainly no vicar involvement. What there will be is a transformed social and educational landscape.HYUFD said:
By sending their children private to a grammar or by buying a house in an outstanding comp or academy catchment area or going to church more often to get a vicar's note to get into onekinabalu said:
They will need to elevate and keep their eyes on the prize.HYUFD said:
Unless you make all comps outstanding that is never happening, middle class parents will not touch inadequate or requires improvement comps with a bargepolekinabalu said:
Maybe not double (salary) but I will launch myself into your good books by saying that imo the transformation of teaching into a high status high pay profession to rank with law and medicine is my silver bullet along with 100% comps, no privates, resource skewed towards disadvantaged areas.Fysics_Teacher said:
I’d settle for that SSR myself.kinabalu said:
Is that a policy you support then - you being paid double?ydoethur said:
I dunno. If teachers were paid double what they are in the state sector and had a 1:7 SSR (without checking) I think many of our educational problems would disappear.kamski said:
Hilarious trolling.Philip_Thompson said:
I see no scandal. It simply shows that Eton is a good school and should be encouraged to be as good as it can be so that the public sector can learn from it.kinabalu said:
Stonking point. Thus of the last 7 eligible Tory PMs, FIVE (!) went to Eton. A scandal really when you stop to think about it. How on earth can this be?Carnyx said:The dominance of Eton in Tory PMs is even greater when one remembers that PMs Thatcher and (possibly, in terms of admitting females to the sixth form at the time?) May were disqualified from Eton anyway by being girls.
I’ve seen a lot of my colleagues head off to the independent sector over the years. Possibly half of the ones that don’t leave by retirement.
"Mum, I've decided to become an investment banker."
"Oh, Ok darling. I see."
"You don't seem pleased."
"It's not that. It's just that you're so bright and everything - me and your father were rather hoping you might aim a little higher than that. Try and get into teaching even."
"Where did you go to school?"
"Er, what do you mean? ... I went to school."
THIS is the prize.
However to get true equality you will also have to abolish all outstanding or even just good comprehensives and academies too, we cannot have anyone getting an advantage now can we.
Which would end up about as effective as abolishing Waitrose, Marks and Spencer and Sainsburys and making everyone shop at Lidl or Asda
"Where should we send Peter to school, honey?"
"Er, what are you talking about, where? - he's going to school."
"Oh right. So I guess we don't have to obsess about it for ages then."
"Correct. Fancy a curry tonight?"
On which subject, a friend has just put their Dartmouth property on the market for 20-25% more than they were expecting. They have two viewings today. The agent expects it will be sold within 10 days. It's just flying out the door in south Devon.
Re a mini property boom, I do hope this is not to an extent because of the stamp duty concession. Overpay by £30k to save £15k. Such crazy things can and sometimes do happen in the housing market.0 -
@HYUFD will still be telling us all that we’re a superpower though.Beibheirli_C said:
We, we are running the military down to a much smaller level. Soon it will be two biplanes, a trawler with a machine-gun on the front and the army will be two blokes called Nigel..Nigelb said:
It's not difficult - you only need to find two locations, apparently:Beibheirli_C said:
It would certainly make us all easier to bomb. Boom! Boom!Dura_Ace said:What we need now is bloody good shouting match about MGRS and Universal Transverse Mercator.
(As Basil Brush used to say)
A Brief Guide To Destroying The Royal Air Force
https://www.forbes.com/sites/davidaxe/2020/07/29/a-guide-to-destroying-the-royal-air-force/#986976e3ee910 -
I'd add a fully charged charging battery pack - you can trivially buy one that recharges your phone 3 times over. 5 times if you look for it...Andy_JS said:
Nothing to do with age, just common sense.Carnyx said:
I'm showing my age probably, but I cannot conceive of going anywhere in the wilds sans [edit: proper OS paper] map and torch - and the phone as an extra bonus.eek said:
The main complaint from the Mountain Rescue in Cumbria is people only calling when they phones are already dead as they've used the battery up using the phone as a map...Carnyx said:Interesting there is no mention of the Ordnance Survey NGR in all this talk of postcodes (understandably) and lying on Rannoch Moor in the dark with a broken leg (much less understandably).
My wife was a bit surprised when, on planning a trip in the Peruvian mountains, I was looking into hiring an Iridium phone....0 -
I speak only for me rather than the left. And I certainly don't speak for Starmer's Labour - since I doubt they will have much interest in an egalitarian education policy.HYUFD said:
You want socialism in education, the left will not stop there but push for socialism for the whole economy too.kinabalu said:
You might view education as akin to the restaurant trade but I don't.HYUFD said:
Utter rubbish, by definition if you live in the posh part of town sending your child to the local school is far more likely to be to an excellent school than parents sending their children to the local school in the rough part of town.kinabalu said:
I prefer to focus on what is being created. Every child going to their excellent local school. All catered for and given the chance to blossom. Flexible. Diverse. All the angst and division around eduction that we see today eliminated along with its toxic propagation of class inequality. As I say - a great prize.HYUFD said:
I know, you want to abolish all private schools, grammar schools and religious schools.kinabalu said:
There will be little or none of that as I envisage things. Certainly no vicar involvement. What there will be is a transformed social and educational landscape.HYUFD said:
By sending their children private to a grammar or by buying a house in an outstanding comp or academy catchment area or going to church more often to get a vicar's note to get into onekinabalu said:
They will need to elevate and keep their eyes on the prize.HYUFD said:
Unless you make all comps outstanding that is never happening, middle class parents will not touch inadequate or requires improvement comps with a bargepolekinabalu said:
Maybe not double (salary) but I will launch myself into your good books by saying that imo the transformation of teaching into a high status high pay profession to rank with law and medicine is my silver bullet along with 100% comps, no privates, resource skewed towards disadvantaged areas.Fysics_Teacher said:
I’d settle for that SSR myself.kinabalu said:
Is that a policy you support then - you being paid double?ydoethur said:
I dunno. If teachers were paid double what they are in the state sector and had a 1:7 SSR (without checking) I think many of our educational problems would disappear.kamski said:
Hilarious trolling.Philip_Thompson said:
I see no scandal. It simply shows that Eton is a good school and should be encouraged to be as good as it can be so that the public sector can learn from it.kinabalu said:
Stonking point. Thus of the last 7 eligible Tory PMs, FIVE (!) went to Eton. A scandal really when you stop to think about it. How on earth can this be?Carnyx said:The dominance of Eton in Tory PMs is even greater when one remembers that PMs Thatcher and (possibly, in terms of admitting females to the sixth form at the time?) May were disqualified from Eton anyway by being girls.
I’ve seen a lot of my colleagues head off to the independent sector over the years. Possibly half of the ones that don’t leave by retirement.
"Mum, I've decided to become an investment banker."
"Oh, Ok darling. I see."
"You don't seem pleased."
"It's not that. It's just that you're so bright and everything - me and your father were rather hoping you might aim a little higher than that. Try and get into teaching even."
"Where did you go to school?"
"Er, what do you mean? ... I went to school."
THIS is the prize.
However to get true equality you will also have to abolish all outstanding or even just good comprehensives and academies too, we cannot have anyone getting an advantage now can we.
Which would end up about as effective as abolishing Waitrose, Marks and Spencer and Sainsburys and making everyone shop at Lidl or Asda
"Where should we send Peter to school, honey?"
"Er, what are you talking about, where? - he's going to school."
"Oh right. So I guess we don't have to obsess about it for ages then."
"Correct. Fancy a curry tonight?"
Plus if you order a curry from an excellent restaurant surely you must abolish that too as it is more expensive than the customers who have to buy from the far less good curry house down the road?
Re your more serious point, you are missing 2 key parts of the proposed reform. (i) Resource will be heavily skewed to schools in disadvantaged areas. (ii) Teaching will be a 'creme de la creme' profession. You probably know the Eric Cantona beer advert? So it will like that with "farmer" replaced by "teacher".
Upshot, struggling schools invested in very seriously and staffed (via incentives) with the best teachers. Better than those in "easier" environments. A few years of this and what we see is gaps closing. And as gaps close, behaviour duly changes and gaps close further. A virtuous circle replaces a vicious one.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QENzkzKshpQ
You can spend as much money as you want on disadvantaged areas, without good head teachers and motivated pupils and parents it will not make much difference.
Plus unless you pay every teacher a six figure salary and require most of them to have Oxbridge and Russell Group degrees it is never going to be an absolutely top profession like being a commercial lawyer or a surgeon or investment banker
As for your objections - this won't work, that won't work, etc etc - I think you ought to channel some "Boris" and stop being such a doomster gloomster.0 -
Most US figures are annualised. Could be the sale here. Would be a 8% drop in normal terms which sounds about right.Gallowgate said:
The whole of the US economy decreased in size by 33% in 3 months? Really?TheScreamingEagles said:Related to Trump's tweet?
https://twitter.com/abbydphillip/status/12888151584757964811 -
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Trump calling for election delay according to BBC0
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I expect no lessGallowgate said:
@HYUFD will still be telling us all that we’re a superpower though.Beibheirli_C said:
We, we are running the military down to a much smaller level. Soon it will be two biplanes, a trawler with a machine-gun on the front and the army will be two blokes called Nigel..Nigelb said:
It's not difficult - you only need to find two locations, apparently:Beibheirli_C said:
It would certainly make us all easier to bomb. Boom! Boom!Dura_Ace said:What we need now is bloody good shouting match about MGRS and Universal Transverse Mercator.
(As Basil Brush used to say)
A Brief Guide To Destroying The Royal Air Force
https://www.forbes.com/sites/davidaxe/2020/07/29/a-guide-to-destroying-the-royal-air-force/#986976e3ee91 0 -
Besides which, were we not just arguing over how well teachers with Oxbridge degrees actually perform in the classroom?HYUFD said:
You want socialism in education, the left will not stop there but push for socialism for the whole economy too.kinabalu said:
You might view education as akin to the restaurant trade but I don't.HYUFD said:
Utter rubbish, by definition if you live in the posh part of town sending your child to the local school is far more likely to be to an excellent school than parents sending their children to the local school in the rough part of town.kinabalu said:
I prefer to focus on what is being created. Every child going to their excellent local school. All catered for and given the chance to blossom. Flexible. Diverse. All the angst and division around eduction that we see today eliminated along with its toxic propagation of class inequality. As I say - a great prize.HYUFD said:
I know, you want to abolish all private schools, grammar schools and religious schools.kinabalu said:
There will be little or none of that as I envisage things. Certainly no vicar involvement. What there will be is a transformed social and educational landscape.HYUFD said:
By sending their children private to a grammar or by buying a house in an outstanding comp or academy catchment area or going to church more often to get a vicar's note to get into onekinabalu said:
They will need to elevate and keep their eyes on the prize.HYUFD said:
Unless you make all comps outstanding that is never happening, middle class parents will not touch inadequate or requires improvement comps with a bargepolekinabalu said:
Maybe not double (salary) but I will launch myself into your good books by saying that imo the transformation of teaching into a high status high pay profession to rank with law and medicine is my silver bullet along with 100% comps, no privates, resource skewed towards disadvantaged areas.Fysics_Teacher said:
I’d settle for that SSR myself.kinabalu said:
Is that a policy you support then - you being paid double?ydoethur said:
I dunno. If teachers were paid double what they are in the state sector and had a 1:7 SSR (without checking) I think many of our educational problems would disappear.kamski said:
Hilarious trolling.Philip_Thompson said:
I see no scandal. It simply shows that Eton is a good school and should be encouraged to be as good as it can be so that the public sector can learn from it.kinabalu said:
Stonking point. Thus of the last 7 eligible Tory PMs, FIVE (!) went to Eton. A scandal really when you stop to think about it. How on earth can this be?Carnyx said:The dominance of Eton in Tory PMs is even greater when one remembers that PMs Thatcher and (possibly, in terms of admitting females to the sixth form at the time?) May were disqualified from Eton anyway by being girls.
I’ve seen a lot of my colleagues head off to the independent sector over the years. Possibly half of the ones that don’t leave by retirement.
"Mum, I've decided to become an investment banker."
"Oh, Ok darling. I see."
"You don't seem pleased."
"It's not that. It's just that you're so bright and everything - me and your father were rather hoping you might aim a little higher than that. Try and get into teaching even."
"Where did you go to school?"
"Er, what do you mean? ... I went to school."
THIS is the prize.
However to get true equality you will also have to abolish all outstanding or even just good comprehensives and academies too, we cannot have anyone getting an advantage now can we.
Which would end up about as effective as abolishing Waitrose, Marks and Spencer and Sainsburys and making everyone shop at Lidl or Asda
"Where should we send Peter to school, honey?"
"Er, what are you talking about, where? - he's going to school."
"Oh right. So I guess we don't have to obsess about it for ages then."
"Correct. Fancy a curry tonight?"
Plus if you order a curry from an excellent restaurant surely you must abolish that too as it is more expensive than the customers who have to buy from the far less good curry house down the road?
Re your more serious point, you are missing 2 key parts of the proposed reform. (i) Resource will be heavily skewed to schools in disadvantaged areas. (ii) Teaching will be a 'creme de la creme' profession. You probably know the Eric Cantona beer advert? So it will like that with "farmer" replaced by "teacher".
Upshot, struggling schools invested in very seriously and staffed (via incentives) with the best teachers. Better than those in "easier" environments. A few years of this and what we see is gaps closing. And as gaps close, behaviour duly changes and gaps close further. A virtuous circle replaces a vicious one.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QENzkzKshpQ
You can spend as much money as you want on disadvantaged areas, without good head teachers and motivated pupils and parents it will not make much difference.
Plus unless you pay every teacher a six figure salary and require most of them to have Oxbridge and Russell Group degrees it is never going to be an absolutely top profession like being a commercial lawyer or a surgeon or investment banker
Pay teachers six-figures and a lot of us will go part-time. I know I would (in my case more part time than I am at the moment).
It’s not the pay that would make a difference; smaller classes, less useless paperwork and more non-contact time to allow us to prepare better lessons (probably in that order) are what would make a big difference. It’s no coincidence that these are the things that the independent sector can provide.
In fact I’ve probably missed out an even more important point as I am lucky enough to work in a good school (though “lucky” may be wrong: if it were not a good school I would probably have decided to go somewhere else or even do something else long ago). The ability to concentrate on teaching rather than “crowd control” as it was put earlier. Small classes help, though I did see a teacher lose control of a group of six. More important is good training and the knowledge that the senior team will back you up, but most important of all (and the part which state schools have the biggest problem with) is the ability to remove the small number of pupils that really don’t want to be there and don’t see why anyone else should be learning either.
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Ooh I hope it's on the UK's address system.TheScreamingEagles said:NEW THREAD
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Most do but are less able to afford an expensive catchment area, grammars levelled the playing fieldGallowgate said:
Are you saying that working class parents dont want what’s best for their children?HYUFD said:
Of course it will, middle class parents want the best schools for their children and will do anything to ensure that.kinabalu said:
I don't think so. Not in droves and not beyond the short term. But in any event I'm not framing an education policy with a view to its impact on house prices. They are enough of an obsession here to start with.HYUFD said:
Your plan will boost house prices even more, abolish private and grammar schools and middle class parents will pay a fortune for houses in the catchment areas of outstanding state comprehensive or academieskinabalu said:
Yes - but that's a collateral benefit not the main point of it.MarqueeMark said:
You've just crashed millions of school-related house prices at stroke.kinabalu said:
I prefer to focus on what is being created. Every child going to their excellent local school. All catered for and given the chance to blossom. Flexible. Diverse. All the angst and division around eduction that we see today eliminated along with its toxic propagation of class inequality. As I say - a great prize.HYUFD said:
I know, you want to abolish all private schools, grammar schools and religious schools.kinabalu said:
There will be little or none of that as I envisage things. Certainly no vicar involvement. What there will be is a transformed social and educational landscape.HYUFD said:
By sending their children private to a grammar or by buying a house in an outstanding comp or academy catchment area or going to church more often to get a vicar's note to get into onekinabalu said:
They will need to elevate and keep their eyes on the prize.HYUFD said:
Unless you make all comps outstanding that is never happening, middle class parents will not touch inadequate or requires improvement comps with a bargepolekinabalu said:
Maybe not double (salary) but I will launch myself into your good books by saying that imo the transformation of teaching into a high status high pay profession to rank with law and medicine is my silver bullet along with 100% comps, no privates, resource skewed towards disadvantaged areas.Fysics_Teacher said:
I’d settle for that SSR myself.kinabalu said:
Is that a policy you support then - you being paid double?ydoethur said:
I dunno. If teachers were paid double what they are in the state sector and had a 1:7 SSR (without checking) I think many of our educational problems would disappear.kamski said:
Hilarious trolling.Philip_Thompson said:
I see no scandal. It simply shows that Eton is a good school and should be encouraged to be as good as it can be so that the public sector can learn from it.kinabalu said:
Stonking point. Thus of the last 7 eligible Tory PMs, FIVE (!) went to Eton. A scandal really when you stop to think about it. How on earth can this be?Carnyx said:The dominance of Eton in Tory PMs is even greater when one remembers that PMs Thatcher and (possibly, in terms of admitting females to the sixth form at the time?) May were disqualified from Eton anyway by being girls.
I’ve seen a lot of my colleagues head off to the independent sector over the years. Possibly half of the ones that don’t leave by retirement.
"Mum, I've decided to become an investment banker."
"Oh, Ok darling. I see."
"You don't seem pleased."
"It's not that. It's just that you're so bright and everything - me and your father were rather hoping you might aim a little higher than that. Try and get into teaching even."
"Where did you go to school?"
"Er, what do you mean? ... I went to school."
THIS is the prize.
However to get true equality you will also have to abolish all outstanding or even just good comprehensives and academies too, we cannot have anyone getting an advantage now can we.
Which would end up about as effective as abolishing Waitrose, Marks and Spencer and Sainsburys and making everyone shop at Lidl or Asda
"Where should we send Peter to school, honey?"
"Er, what are you talking about, where? - he's going to school."
"Oh right. So I guess we don't have to obsess about it for ages then."
"Correct. Fancy a curry tonight?"
On which subject, a friend has just put their Dartmouth property on the market for 20-25% more than they were expecting. They have two viewings today. The agent expects it will be sold within 10 days. It's just flying out the door in south Devon.
Re a mini property boom, I do hope this is not to an extent because of the stamp duty concession. Overpay by £30k to save £15k. Such crazy things can and sometimes do happen in the housing market.0 -
I have said I oppose defence cutsGallowgate said:
@HYUFD will still be telling us all that we’re a superpower though.Beibheirli_C said:
We, we are running the military down to a much smaller level. Soon it will be two biplanes, a trawler with a machine-gun on the front and the army will be two blokes called Nigel..Nigelb said:
It's not difficult - you only need to find two locations, apparently:Beibheirli_C said:
It would certainly make us all easier to bomb. Boom! Boom!Dura_Ace said:What we need now is bloody good shouting match about MGRS and Universal Transverse Mercator.
(As Basil Brush used to say)
A Brief Guide To Destroying The Royal Air Force
https://www.forbes.com/sites/davidaxe/2020/07/29/a-guide-to-destroying-the-royal-air-force/#986976e3ee910 -
I assume that’s the annualised rate.Gallowgate said:
The whole of the US economy decreased in size by 33% in 3 months? Really?TheScreamingEagles said:Related to Trump's tweet?
https://twitter.com/abbydphillip/status/12888151584757964810 -
That was pretty much the model for the 1st generation academies; stonking amounts of cash, in exchange for loss of previous identity and management. And mostly it worked; the "loss of previous identity" meant that no school would deliberately go down that route, but the schools relaunched in that way were able to attract the gentrifiers in (say) Hackney. And then you get the virtuous circle.Fysics_Teacher said:
Well done. You’ve just created an incentive for schools to get the worst exam results that they can...kinabalu said:
You might view education as akin to the restaurant trade but I don't.HYUFD said:
Utter rubbish, by definition if you live in the posh part of town sending your child to the local school is far more likely to be to an excellent school than parents sending their children to the local school in the rough part of town.kinabalu said:
I prefer to focus on what is being created. Every child going to their excellent local school. All catered for and given the chance to blossom. Flexible. Diverse. All the angst and division around eduction that we see today eliminated along with its toxic propagation of class inequality. As I say - a great prize.HYUFD said:
I know, you want to abolish all private schools, grammar schools and religious schools.kinabalu said:
There will be little or none of that as I envisage things. Certainly no vicar involvement. What there will be is a transformed social and educational landscape.HYUFD said:
By sending their children private to a grammar or by buying a house in an outstanding comp or academy catchment area or going to church more often to get a vicar's note to get into onekinabalu said:
They will need to elevate and keep their eyes on the prize.HYUFD said:
Unless you make all comps outstanding that is never happening, middle class parents will not touch inadequate or requires improvement comps with a bargepolekinabalu said:
Maybe not double (salary) but I will launch myself into your good books by saying that imo the transformation of teaching into a high status high pay profession to rank with law and medicine is my silver bullet along with 100% comps, no privates, resource skewed towards disadvantaged areas.Fysics_Teacher said:
I’d settle for that SSR myself.kinabalu said:
Is that a policy you support then - you being paid double?ydoethur said:
I dunno. If teachers were paid double what they are in the state sector and had a 1:7 SSR (without checking) I think many of our educational problems would disappear.kamski said:
Hilarious trolling.Philip_Thompson said:
I see no scandal. It simply shows that Eton is a good school and should be encouraged to be as good as it can be so that the public sector can learn from it.kinabalu said:
Stonking point. Thus of the last 7 eligible Tory PMs, FIVE (!) went to Eton. A scandal really when you stop to think about it. How on earth can this be?Carnyx said:The dominance of Eton in Tory PMs is even greater when one remembers that PMs Thatcher and (possibly, in terms of admitting females to the sixth form at the time?) May were disqualified from Eton anyway by being girls.
I’ve seen a lot of my colleagues head off to the independent sector over the years. Possibly half of the ones that don’t leave by retirement.
"Mum, I've decided to become an investment banker."
"Oh, Ok darling. I see."
"You don't seem pleased."
"It's not that. It's just that you're so bright and everything - me and your father were rather hoping you might aim a little higher than that. Try and get into teaching even."
"Where did you go to school?"
"Er, what do you mean? ... I went to school."
THIS is the prize.
However to get true equality you will also have to abolish all outstanding or even just good comprehensives and academies too, we cannot have anyone getting an advantage now can we.
Which would end up about as effective as abolishing Waitrose, Marks and Spencer and Sainsburys and making everyone shop at Lidl or Asda
"Where should we send Peter to school, honey?"
"Er, what are you talking about, where? - he's going to school."
"Oh right. So I guess we don't have to obsess about it for ages then."
"Correct. Fancy a curry tonight?"
Plus if you order a curry from an excellent restaurant surely you must abolish that too as it is more expensive than the customers who have to buy from the far less good curry house down the road?
Re your more serious point, you are missing 2 key parts of the proposed reform. (i) Resource will be heavily skewed to schools in disadvantaged areas. (ii) Teaching will be a 'creme de la creme' profession. You probably know the Eric Cantona beer advert? So it will like that with "farmer" replaced by "teacher".
Upshot, struggling schools invested in very seriously and staffed (via incentives) with the best teachers. Better than those in "easier" environments. A few years of this and what we see is gaps closing. And as gaps close, behaviour duly changes and gaps close further. A virtuous circle replaces a vicious one.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QENzkzKshpQ
Since 2010, the academy brand has been cheapened; now it's just a relaunched school. And without the stonking amounts of cash, the improvements are much patchier.1 -
You can pump as much money into deprived areas and pay teacher 7 figure salaries and it wont make a bit of difference, failing schools are most often not down to teacher quality or administration though those can be contributory.kinabalu said:
You might view education as akin to the restaurant trade but I don't.HYUFD said:
Utter rubbish, by definition if you live in the posh part of town sending your child to the local school is far more likely to be to an excellent school than parents sending their children to the local school in the rough part of town.kinabalu said:
I prefer to focus on what is being created. Every child going to their excellent local school. All catered for and given the chance to blossom. Flexible. Diverse. All the angst and division around eduction that we see today eliminated along with its toxic propagation of class inequality. As I say - a great prize.HYUFD said:
I know, you want to abolish all private schools, grammar schools and religious schools.kinabalu said:
There will be little or none of that as I envisage things. Certainly no vicar involvement. What there will be is a transformed social and educational landscape.HYUFD said:
By sending their children private to a grammar or by buying a house in an outstanding comp or academy catchment area or going to church more often to get a vicar's note to get into onekinabalu said:
They will need to elevate and keep their eyes on the prize.HYUFD said:
Unless you make all comps outstanding that is never happening, middle class parents will not touch inadequate or requires improvement comps with a bargepolekinabalu said:
Maybe not double (salary) but I will launch myself into your good books by saying that imo the transformation of teaching into a high status high pay profession to rank with law and medicine is my silver bullet along with 100% comps, no privates, resource skewed towards disadvantaged areas.Fysics_Teacher said:
I’d settle for that SSR myself.kinabalu said:
Is that a policy you support then - you being paid double?ydoethur said:
I dunno. If teachers were paid double what they are in the state sector and had a 1:7 SSR (without checking) I think many of our educational problems would disappear.kamski said:
Hilarious trolling.Philip_Thompson said:
I see no scandal. It simply shows that Eton is a good school and should be encouraged to be as good as it can be so that the public sector can learn from it.kinabalu said:
Stonking point. Thus of the last 7 eligible Tory PMs, FIVE (!) went to Eton. A scandal really when you stop to think about it. How on earth can this be?Carnyx said:The dominance of Eton in Tory PMs is even greater when one remembers that PMs Thatcher and (possibly, in terms of admitting females to the sixth form at the time?) May were disqualified from Eton anyway by being girls.
I’ve seen a lot of my colleagues head off to the independent sector over the years. Possibly half of the ones that don’t leave by retirement.
"Mum, I've decided to become an investment banker."
"Oh, Ok darling. I see."
"You don't seem pleased."
"It's not that. It's just that you're so bright and everything - me and your father were rather hoping you might aim a little higher than that. Try and get into teaching even."
"Where did you go to school?"
"Er, what do you mean? ... I went to school."
THIS is the prize.
However to get true equality you will also have to abolish all outstanding or even just good comprehensives and academies too, we cannot have anyone getting an advantage now can we.
Which would end up about as effective as abolishing Waitrose, Marks and Spencer and Sainsburys and making everyone shop at Lidl or Asda
"Where should we send Peter to school, honey?"
"Er, what are you talking about, where? - he's going to school."
"Oh right. So I guess we don't have to obsess about it for ages then."
"Correct. Fancy a curry tonight?"
Plus if you order a curry from an excellent restaurant surely you must abolish that too as it is more expensive than the customers who have to buy from the far less good curry house down the road?
Re your more serious point, you are missing 2 key parts of the proposed reform. (i) Resource will be heavily skewed to schools in disadvantaged areas. (ii) Teaching will be a 'creme de la creme' profession. You probably know the Eric Cantona beer advert? So it will like that with "farmer" replaced by "teacher".
Upshot, struggling schools invested in very seriously and staffed (via incentives) with the best teachers. Better than those in "easier" environments. A few years of this and what we see is gaps closing. And as gaps close, behaviour duly changes and gaps close further. A virtuous circle replaces a vicious one.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QENzkzKshpQ
Failing schools come mostly down to disengaged kids who don't see the point in education and parents that support that outlook. Changing that is something you have ruled out before.
I went to such a school and the thing that kept me learning wasn't the teaching it was the other kids who not only didn't want to learn they were determined no one else should either.1 -
Round here they are none existant with the crap schools now in their third or fourth failing academic chain.Stuartinromford said:
That was pretty much the model for the 1st generation academies; stonking amounts of cash, in exchange for loss of previous identity and management. And mostly it worked; the "loss of previous identity" meant that no school would deliberately go down that route, but the schools relaunched in that way were able to attract the gentrifiers in (say) Hackney. And then you get the virtuous circle.Fysics_Teacher said:
Well done. You’ve just created an incentive for schools to get the worst exam results that they can...kinabalu said:
You might view education as akin to the restaurant trade but I don't.HYUFD said:
Utter rubbish, by definition if you live in the posh part of town sending your child to the local school is far more likely to be to an excellent school than parents sending their children to the local school in the rough part of town.kinabalu said:
I prefer to focus on what is being created. Every child going to their excellent local school. All catered for and given the chance to blossom. Flexible. Diverse. All the angst and division around eduction that we see today eliminated along with its toxic propagation of class inequality. As I say - a great prize.HYUFD said:
I know, you want to abolish all private schools, grammar schools and religious schools.kinabalu said:
There will be little or none of that as I envisage things. Certainly no vicar involvement. What there will be is a transformed social and educational landscape.HYUFD said:
By sending their children private to a grammar or by buying a house in an outstanding comp or academy catchment area or going to church more often to get a vicar's note to get into onekinabalu said:
They will need to elevate and keep their eyes on the prize.HYUFD said:
Unless you make all comps outstanding that is never happening, middle class parents will not touch inadequate or requires improvement comps with a bargepolekinabalu said:
Maybe not double (salary) but I will launch myself into your good books by saying that imo the transformation of teaching into a high status high pay profession to rank with law and medicine is my silver bullet along with 100% comps, no privates, resource skewed towards disadvantaged areas.Fysics_Teacher said:
I’d settle for that SSR myself.kinabalu said:
Is that a policy you support then - you being paid double?ydoethur said:
I dunno. If teachers were paid double what they are in the state sector and had a 1:7 SSR (without checking) I think many of our educational problems would disappear.kamski said:
Hilarious trolling.Philip_Thompson said:
I see no scandal. It simply shows that Eton is a good school and should be encouraged to be as good as it can be so that the public sector can learn from it.kinabalu said:
Stonking point. Thus of the last 7 eligible Tory PMs, FIVE (!) went to Eton. A scandal really when you stop to think about it. How on earth can this be?Carnyx said:The dominance of Eton in Tory PMs is even greater when one remembers that PMs Thatcher and (possibly, in terms of admitting females to the sixth form at the time?) May were disqualified from Eton anyway by being girls.
I’ve seen a lot of my colleagues head off to the independent sector over the years. Possibly half of the ones that don’t leave by retirement.
"Mum, I've decided to become an investment banker."
"Oh, Ok darling. I see."
"You don't seem pleased."
"It's not that. It's just that you're so bright and everything - me and your father were rather hoping you might aim a little higher than that. Try and get into teaching even."
"Where did you go to school?"
"Er, what do you mean? ... I went to school."
THIS is the prize.
However to get true equality you will also have to abolish all outstanding or even just good comprehensives and academies too, we cannot have anyone getting an advantage now can we.
Which would end up about as effective as abolishing Waitrose, Marks and Spencer and Sainsburys and making everyone shop at Lidl or Asda
"Where should we send Peter to school, honey?"
"Er, what are you talking about, where? - he's going to school."
"Oh right. So I guess we don't have to obsess about it for ages then."
"Correct. Fancy a curry tonight?"
Plus if you order a curry from an excellent restaurant surely you must abolish that too as it is more expensive than the customers who have to buy from the far less good curry house down the road?
Re your more serious point, you are missing 2 key parts of the proposed reform. (i) Resource will be heavily skewed to schools in disadvantaged areas. (ii) Teaching will be a 'creme de la creme' profession. You probably know the Eric Cantona beer advert? So it will like that with "farmer" replaced by "teacher".
Upshot, struggling schools invested in very seriously and staffed (via incentives) with the best teachers. Better than those in "easier" environments. A few years of this and what we see is gaps closing. And as gaps close, behaviour duly changes and gaps close further. A virtuous circle replaces a vicious one.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QENzkzKshpQ
Since 2010, the academy brand has been cheapened; now it's just a relaunched school. And without the stonking amounts of cash, the improvements are much patchier.1 -
I oppose socialism in education and the wider economykinabalu said:
I speak only for me rather than the left. And I certainly don't speak for Starmer's Labour - since I doubt they will have much interest in an egalitarian education policy.HYUFD said:
You want socialism in education, the left will not stop there but push for socialism for the whole economy too.kinabalu said:
You might view education as akin to the restaurant trade but I don't.HYUFD said:
Utter rubbish, by definition if you live in the posh part of town sending your child to the local school is far more likely to be to an excellent school than parents sending their children to the local school in the rough part of town.kinabalu said:
I prefer to focus on what is being created. Every child going to their excellent local school. All catered for and given the chance to blossom. Flexible. Diverse. All the angst and division around eduction that we see today eliminated along with its toxic propagation of class inequality. As I say - a great prize.HYUFD said:
I know, you want to abolish all private schools, grammar schools and religious schools.kinabalu said:
There will be little or none of that as I envisage things. Certainly no vicar involvement. What there will be is a transformed social and educational landscape.HYUFD said:
By sending their children private to a grammar or by buying a house in an outstanding comp or academy catchment area or going to church more often to get a vicar's note to get into onekinabalu said:
They will need to elevate and keep their eyes on the prize.HYUFD said:
Unless you make all comps outstanding that is never happening, middle class parents will not touch inadequate or requires improvement comps with a bargepolekinabalu said:
Maybe not double (salary) but I will launch myself into your good books by saying that imo the transformation of teaching into a high status high pay profession to rank with law and medicine is my silver bullet along with 100% comps, no privates, resource skewed towards disadvantaged areas.Fysics_Teacher said:
I’d settle for that SSR myself.kinabalu said:
Is that a policy you support then - you being paid double?ydoethur said:
I dunno. If teachers were paid double what they are in the state sector and had a 1:7 SSR (without checking) I think many of our educational problems would disappear.kamski said:
Hilarious trolling.Philip_Thompson said:
I see no scandal. It simply shows that Eton is a good school and should be encouraged to be as good as it can be so that the public sector can learn from it.kinabalu said:
Stonking point. Thus of the last 7 eligible Tory PMs, FIVE (!) went to Eton. A scandal really when you stop to think about it. How on earth can this be?Carnyx said:The dominance of Eton in Tory PMs is even greater when one remembers that PMs Thatcher and (possibly, in terms of admitting females to the sixth form at the time?) May were disqualified from Eton anyway by being girls.
I’ve seen a lot of my colleagues head off to the independent sector over the years. Possibly half of the ones that don’t leave by retirement.
"Mum, I've decided to become an investment banker."
"Oh, Ok darling. I see."
"You don't seem pleased."
"It's not that. It's just that you're so bright and everything - me and your father were rather hoping you might aim a little higher than that. Try and get into teaching even."
"Where did you go to school?"
"Er, what do you mean? ... I went to school."
THIS is the prize.
However to get true equality you will also have to abolish all outstanding or even just good comprehensives and academies too, we cannot have anyone getting an advantage now can we.
Which would end up about as effective as abolishing Waitrose, Marks and Spencer and Sainsburys and making everyone shop at Lidl or Asda
"Where should we send Peter to school, honey?"
"Er, what are you talking about, where? - he's going to school."
"Oh right. So I guess we don't have to obsess about it for ages then."
"Correct. Fancy a curry tonight?"
Plus if you order a curry from an excellent restaurant surely you must abolish that too as it is more expensive than the customers who have to buy from the far less good curry house down the road?
Re your more serious point, you are missing 2 key parts of the proposed reform. (i) Resource will be heavily skewed to schools in disadvantaged areas. (ii) Teaching will be a 'creme de la creme' profession. You probably know the Eric Cantona beer advert? So it will like that with "farmer" replaced by "teacher".
Upshot, struggling schools invested in very seriously and staffed (via incentives) with the best teachers. Better than those in "easier" environments. A few years of this and what we see is gaps closing. And as gaps close, behaviour duly changes and gaps close further. A virtuous circle replaces a vicious one.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QENzkzKshpQ
You can spend as much money as you want on disadvantaged areas, without good head teachers and motivated pupils and parents it will not make much difference.
Plus unless you pay every teacher a six figure salary and require most of them to have Oxbridge and Russell Group degrees it is never going to be an absolutely top profession like being a commercial lawyer or a surgeon or investment banker
As for your objections - this won't work, that won't work, etc etc - I think you ought to channel some "Boris" and stop being such a doomster gloomster.1 -
The constitution allows Congress to alter the election date, the date on which the electoral college meets to vote, and the date on which Congress meets to count the votes by ordinary legislation, so Trump would require the House to consent, which of course it wouldn't.TheScreamingEagles said:IIRC Trump doesn't have the power to delay an election does he?
It would require a constitutional amendment to change the election from the first Tuesday after the first Monday in November.
Even with House buy-in for a change of dates, the constitution fixes the date that the Presidential term ends as January 20th, so any change of dates would still have to have the process completed by then.0 -
That's why I carry a phone for mapping, and a different (non-smart) phone as an emergency phone when out in the hills. Obviously I also carry a paper map, even if it isn't kept out.eek said:
The main complaint from the Mountain Rescue in Cumbria is people only calling when they phones are already dead as they've used the battery up using the phone as a map...Carnyx said:Interesting there is no mention of the Ordnance Survey NGR in all this talk of postcodes (understandably) and lying on Rannoch Moor in the dark with a broken leg (much less understandably).
Lat Long is useless because the grid isn't printed on any maps we actually use in the UK, so you can't actually give it out without a GPS, or find the location given without a computer of some kind. W3W is bad for the same reason.
Mind you, apparently 999 aren't so hot on taking down an OS grid reference these days either...
1 -
God you are so naiveHYUFD said:
You have to pass an entrance exam to get into Eton and they also provide scholarshipsOllyT said:
The public voted for them once the choice had been narrowed down to 2.Fishing said:
Because the public voted for them?kinabalu said:
Stonking point. Thus of the last 7 eligible Tory PMs, FIVE (!) went to Eton. A scandal really when you stop to think about it. How on earth can this be?Carnyx said:The dominance of Eton in Tory PMs is even greater when one remembers that PMs Thatcher and (possibly, in terms of admitting females to the sixth form at the time?) May were disqualified from Eton anyway by being girls.
The dominance of Eton would be fine if it was a school where you got in by virtue of your own intelligence but an Eton education frequently gets people into positions that they would never achieve on merit.2 -
The challenge is to convince the majority they will benefit from a level playing field. Sounds easy but in practice it is fiendishly difficult. "It's Class War!" is a potent cry. In England we don't like the sound of that sort of thing.nichomar said:
As long as certain sections of society can ensure good education for their children then the rest can get stuffed, why should they care they are ok.kinabalu said:
You might view education as akin to the restaurant trade but I don't.HYUFD said:
Utter rubbish, by definition if you live in the posh part of town sending your child to the local school is far more likely to be to an excellent school than parents sending their children to the local school in the rough part of town.kinabalu said:
I prefer to focus on what is being created. Every child going to their excellent local school. All catered for and given the chance to blossom. Flexible. Diverse. All the angst and division around eduction that we see today eliminated along with its toxic propagation of class inequality. As I say - a great prize.HYUFD said:
I know, you want to abolish all private schools, grammar schools and religious schools.kinabalu said:
There will be little or none of that as I envisage things. Certainly no vicar involvement. What there will be is a transformed social and educational landscape.HYUFD said:
By sending their children private to a grammar or by buying a house in an outstanding comp or academy catchment area or going to church more often to get a vicar's note to get into onekinabalu said:
They will need to elevate and keep their eyes on the prize.HYUFD said:
Unless you make all comps outstanding that is never happening, middle class parents will not touch inadequate or requires improvement comps with a bargepolekinabalu said:
Maybe not double (salary) but I will launch myself into your good books by saying that imo the transformation of teaching into a high status high pay profession to rank with law and medicine is my silver bullet along with 100% comps, no privates, resource skewed towards disadvantaged areas.Fysics_Teacher said:
I’d settle for that SSR myself.kinabalu said:
Is that a policy you support then - you being paid double?ydoethur said:
I dunno. If teachers were paid double what they are in the state sector and had a 1:7 SSR (without checking) I think many of our educational problems would disappear.kamski said:
Hilarious trolling.Philip_Thompson said:
I see no scandal. It simply shows that Eton is a good school and should be encouraged to be as good as it can be so that the public sector can learn from it.kinabalu said:
Stonking point. Thus of the last 7 eligible Tory PMs, FIVE (!) went to Eton. A scandal really when you stop to think about it. How on earth can this be?Carnyx said:The dominance of Eton in Tory PMs is even greater when one remembers that PMs Thatcher and (possibly, in terms of admitting females to the sixth form at the time?) May were disqualified from Eton anyway by being girls.
I’ve seen a lot of my colleagues head off to the independent sector over the years. Possibly half of the ones that don’t leave by retirement.
"Mum, I've decided to become an investment banker."
"Oh, Ok darling. I see."
"You don't seem pleased."
"It's not that. It's just that you're so bright and everything - me and your father were rather hoping you might aim a little higher than that. Try and get into teaching even."
"Where did you go to school?"
"Er, what do you mean? ... I went to school."
THIS is the prize.
However to get true equality you will also have to abolish all outstanding or even just good comprehensives and academies too, we cannot have anyone getting an advantage now can we.
Which would end up about as effective as abolishing Waitrose, Marks and Spencer and Sainsburys and making everyone shop at Lidl or Asda
"Where should we send Peter to school, honey?"
"Er, what are you talking about, where? - he's going to school."
"Oh right. So I guess we don't have to obsess about it for ages then."
"Correct. Fancy a curry tonight?"
Plus if you order a curry from an excellent restaurant surely you must abolish that too as it is more expensive than the customers who have to buy from the far less good curry house down the road?
Re your more serious point, you are missing 2 key parts of the proposed reform. (i) Resource will be heavily skewed to schools in disadvantaged areas. (ii) Teaching will be a 'creme de la creme' profession. You probably know the Eric Cantona beer advert? So it will like that with "farmer" replaced by "teacher".
Upshot, struggling schools invested in very seriously and staffed (via incentives) with the best teachers. Better than those in "easier" environments. A few years of this and what we see is gaps closing. And as gaps close, behaviour duly changes and gaps close further. A virtuous circle replaces a vicious one.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QENzkzKshpQ0 -
And that's the point. Improving schools is hard, because a lot of the things that make a school good are outside the control of the school.eek said:
Round here they are none existant with the crap schools now in their third or fourth failing academic chain.Stuartinromford said:
That was pretty much the model for the 1st generation academies; stonking amounts of cash, in exchange for loss of previous identity and management. And mostly it worked; the "loss of previous identity" meant that no school would deliberately go down that route, but the schools relaunched in that way were able to attract the gentrifiers in (say) Hackney. And then you get the virtuous circle.Fysics_Teacher said:
Well done. You’ve just created an incentive for schools to get the worst exam results that they can...kinabalu said:
You might view education as akin to the restaurant trade but I don't.HYUFD said:
Utter rubbish, by definition if you live in the posh part of town sending your child to the local school is far more likely to be to an excellent school than parents sending their children to the local school in the rough part of town.kinabalu said:
I prefer to focus on what is being created. Every child going to their excellent local school. All catered for and given the chance to blossom. Flexible. Diverse. All the angst and division around eduction that we see today eliminated along with its toxic propagation of class inequality. As I say - a great prize.HYUFD said:
I know, you want to abolish all private schools, grammar schools and religious schools.kinabalu said:
There will be little or none of that as I envisage things. Certainly no vicar involvement. What there will be is a transformed social and educational landscape.HYUFD said:
By sending their children private to a grammar or by buying a house in an outstanding comp or academy catchment area or going to church more often to get a vicar's note to get into onekinabalu said:
They will need to elevate and keep their eyes on the prize.HYUFD said:
Unless you make all comps outstanding that is never happening, middle class parents will not touch inadequate or requires improvement comps with a bargepolekinabalu said:
Maybe not double (salary) but I will launch myself into your good books by saying that imo the transformation of teaching into a high status high pay profession to rank with law and medicine is my silver bullet along with 100% comps, no privates, resource skewed towards disadvantaged areas.Fysics_Teacher said:
I’d settle for that SSR myself.kinabalu said:
Is that a policy you support then - you being paid double?ydoethur said:
I dunno. If teachers were paid double what they are in the state sector and had a 1:7 SSR (without checking) I think many of our educational problems would disappear.kamski said:
Hilarious trolling.Philip_Thompson said:
I see no scandal. It simply shows that Eton is a good school and should be encouraged to be as good as it can be so that the public sector can learn from it.kinabalu said:
Stonking point. Thus of the last 7 eligible Tory PMs, FIVE (!) went to Eton. A scandal really when you stop to think about it. How on earth can this be?Carnyx said:The dominance of Eton in Tory PMs is even greater when one remembers that PMs Thatcher and (possibly, in terms of admitting females to the sixth form at the time?) May were disqualified from Eton anyway by being girls.
I’ve seen a lot of my colleagues head off to the independent sector over the years. Possibly half of the ones that don’t leave by retirement.
"Mum, I've decided to become an investment banker."
"Oh, Ok darling. I see."
"You don't seem pleased."
"It's not that. It's just that you're so bright and everything - me and your father were rather hoping you might aim a little higher than that. Try and get into teaching even."
"Where did you go to school?"
"Er, what do you mean? ... I went to school."
THIS is the prize.
However to get true equality you will also have to abolish all outstanding or even just good comprehensives and academies too, we cannot have anyone getting an advantage now can we.
Which would end up about as effective as abolishing Waitrose, Marks and Spencer and Sainsburys and making everyone shop at Lidl or Asda
"Where should we send Peter to school, honey?"
"Er, what are you talking about, where? - he's going to school."
"Oh right. So I guess we don't have to obsess about it for ages then."
"Correct. Fancy a curry tonight?"
Plus if you order a curry from an excellent restaurant surely you must abolish that too as it is more expensive than the customers who have to buy from the far less good curry house down the road?
Re your more serious point, you are missing 2 key parts of the proposed reform. (i) Resource will be heavily skewed to schools in disadvantaged areas. (ii) Teaching will be a 'creme de la creme' profession. You probably know the Eric Cantona beer advert? So it will like that with "farmer" replaced by "teacher".
Upshot, struggling schools invested in very seriously and staffed (via incentives) with the best teachers. Better than those in "easier" environments. A few years of this and what we see is gaps closing. And as gaps close, behaviour duly changes and gaps close further. A virtuous circle replaces a vicious one.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QENzkzKshpQ
Since 2010, the academy brand has been cheapened; now it's just a relaunched school. And without the stonking amounts of cash, the improvements are much patchier.2 -
Ah ha. So you'd oppose it even if it DID work. The objections are dressed up as practical but are actually ideological. Ah ha.HYUFD said:
I oppose socialism in education and the wider economykinabalu said:
I speak only for me rather than the left. And I certainly don't speak for Starmer's Labour - since I doubt they will have much interest in an egalitarian education policy.HYUFD said:
You want socialism in education, the left will not stop there but push for socialism for the whole economy too.kinabalu said:
You might view education as akin to the restaurant trade but I don't.HYUFD said:
Utter rubbish, by definition if you live in the posh part of town sending your child to the local school is far more likely to be to an excellent school than parents sending their children to the local school in the rough part of town.kinabalu said:
I prefer to focus on what is being created. Every child going to their excellent local school. All catered for and given the chance to blossom. Flexible. Diverse. All the angst and division around eduction that we see today eliminated along with its toxic propagation of class inequality. As I say - a great prize.HYUFD said:
I know, you want to abolish all private schools, grammar schools and religious schools.kinabalu said:
There will be little or none of that as I envisage things. Certainly no vicar involvement. What there will be is a transformed social and educational landscape.HYUFD said:
By sending their children private to a grammar or by buying a house in an outstanding comp or academy catchment area or going to church more often to get a vicar's note to get into onekinabalu said:
They will need to elevate and keep their eyes on the prize.HYUFD said:
Unless you make all comps outstanding that is never happening, middle class parents will not touch inadequate or requires improvement comps with a bargepolekinabalu said:
Maybe not double (salary) but I will launch myself into your good books by saying that imo the transformation of teaching into a high status high pay profession to rank with law and medicine is my silver bullet along with 100% comps, no privates, resource skewed towards disadvantaged areas.Fysics_Teacher said:
I’d settle for that SSR myself.kinabalu said:
Is that a policy you support then - you being paid double?ydoethur said:
I dunno. If teachers were paid double what they are in the state sector and had a 1:7 SSR (without checking) I think many of our educational problems would disappear.kamski said:
Hilarious trolling.Philip_Thompson said:
I see no scandal. It simply shows that Eton is a good school and should be encouraged to be as good as it can be so that the public sector can learn from it.kinabalu said:
Stonking point. Thus of the last 7 eligible Tory PMs, FIVE (!) went to Eton. A scandal really when you stop to think about it. How on earth can this be?Carnyx said:The dominance of Eton in Tory PMs is even greater when one remembers that PMs Thatcher and (possibly, in terms of admitting females to the sixth form at the time?) May were disqualified from Eton anyway by being girls.
I’ve seen a lot of my colleagues head off to the independent sector over the years. Possibly half of the ones that don’t leave by retirement.
"Mum, I've decided to become an investment banker."
"Oh, Ok darling. I see."
"You don't seem pleased."
"It's not that. It's just that you're so bright and everything - me and your father were rather hoping you might aim a little higher than that. Try and get into teaching even."
"Where did you go to school?"
"Er, what do you mean? ... I went to school."
THIS is the prize.
However to get true equality you will also have to abolish all outstanding or even just good comprehensives and academies too, we cannot have anyone getting an advantage now can we.
Which would end up about as effective as abolishing Waitrose, Marks and Spencer and Sainsburys and making everyone shop at Lidl or Asda
"Where should we send Peter to school, honey?"
"Er, what are you talking about, where? - he's going to school."
"Oh right. So I guess we don't have to obsess about it for ages then."
"Correct. Fancy a curry tonight?"
Plus if you order a curry from an excellent restaurant surely you must abolish that too as it is more expensive than the customers who have to buy from the far less good curry house down the road?
Re your more serious point, you are missing 2 key parts of the proposed reform. (i) Resource will be heavily skewed to schools in disadvantaged areas. (ii) Teaching will be a 'creme de la creme' profession. You probably know the Eric Cantona beer advert? So it will like that with "farmer" replaced by "teacher".
Upshot, struggling schools invested in very seriously and staffed (via incentives) with the best teachers. Better than those in "easier" environments. A few years of this and what we see is gaps closing. And as gaps close, behaviour duly changes and gaps close further. A virtuous circle replaces a vicious one.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QENzkzKshpQ
You can spend as much money as you want on disadvantaged areas, without good head teachers and motivated pupils and parents it will not make much difference.
Plus unless you pay every teacher a six figure salary and require most of them to have Oxbridge and Russell Group degrees it is never going to be an absolutely top profession like being a commercial lawyer or a surgeon or investment banker
As for your objections - this won't work, that won't work, etc etc - I think you ought to channel some "Boris" and stop being such a doomster gloomster.0 -
So we want schools to start having greater influence over these kids than the parents.Pagan2 said:
You can pump as much money into deprived areas and pay teacher 7 figure salaries and it wont make a bit of difference, failing schools are most often not down to teacher quality or administration though those can be contributory.kinabalu said:
You might view education as akin to the restaurant trade but I don't.HYUFD said:
Utter rubbish, by definition if you live in the posh part of town sending your child to the local school is far more likely to be to an excellent school than parents sending their children to the local school in the rough part of town.kinabalu said:
I prefer to focus on what is being created. Every child going to their excellent local school. All catered for and given the chance to blossom. Flexible. Diverse. All the angst and division around eduction that we see today eliminated along with its toxic propagation of class inequality. As I say - a great prize.HYUFD said:
I know, you want to abolish all private schools, grammar schools and religious schools.kinabalu said:
There will be little or none of that as I envisage things. Certainly no vicar involvement. What there will be is a transformed social and educational landscape.HYUFD said:
By sending their children private to a grammar or by buying a house in an outstanding comp or academy catchment area or going to church more often to get a vicar's note to get into onekinabalu said:
They will need to elevate and keep their eyes on the prize.HYUFD said:
Unless you make all comps outstanding that is never happening, middle class parents will not touch inadequate or requires improvement comps with a bargepolekinabalu said:
Maybe not double (salary) but I will launch myself into your good books by saying that imo the transformation of teaching into a high status high pay profession to rank with law and medicine is my silver bullet along with 100% comps, no privates, resource skewed towards disadvantaged areas.Fysics_Teacher said:
I’d settle for that SSR myself.kinabalu said:
Is that a policy you support then - you being paid double?ydoethur said:
I dunno. If teachers were paid double what they are in the state sector and had a 1:7 SSR (without checking) I think many of our educational problems would disappear.kamski said:
Hilarious trolling.Philip_Thompson said:
I see no scandal. It simply shows that Eton is a good school and should be encouraged to be as good as it can be so that the public sector can learn from it.kinabalu said:
Stonking point. Thus of the last 7 eligible Tory PMs, FIVE (!) went to Eton. A scandal really when you stop to think about it. How on earth can this be?Carnyx said:The dominance of Eton in Tory PMs is even greater when one remembers that PMs Thatcher and (possibly, in terms of admitting females to the sixth form at the time?) May were disqualified from Eton anyway by being girls.
I’ve seen a lot of my colleagues head off to the independent sector over the years. Possibly half of the ones that don’t leave by retirement.
"Mum, I've decided to become an investment banker."
"Oh, Ok darling. I see."
"You don't seem pleased."
"It's not that. It's just that you're so bright and everything - me and your father were rather hoping you might aim a little higher than that. Try and get into teaching even."
"Where did you go to school?"
"Er, what do you mean? ... I went to school."
THIS is the prize.
However to get true equality you will also have to abolish all outstanding or even just good comprehensives and academies too, we cannot have anyone getting an advantage now can we.
Which would end up about as effective as abolishing Waitrose, Marks and Spencer and Sainsburys and making everyone shop at Lidl or Asda
"Where should we send Peter to school, honey?"
"Er, what are you talking about, where? - he's going to school."
"Oh right. So I guess we don't have to obsess about it for ages then."
"Correct. Fancy a curry tonight?"
Plus if you order a curry from an excellent restaurant surely you must abolish that too as it is more expensive than the customers who have to buy from the far less good curry house down the road?
Re your more serious point, you are missing 2 key parts of the proposed reform. (i) Resource will be heavily skewed to schools in disadvantaged areas. (ii) Teaching will be a 'creme de la creme' profession. You probably know the Eric Cantona beer advert? So it will like that with "farmer" replaced by "teacher".
Upshot, struggling schools invested in very seriously and staffed (via incentives) with the best teachers. Better than those in "easier" environments. A few years of this and what we see is gaps closing. And as gaps close, behaviour duly changes and gaps close further. A virtuous circle replaces a vicious one.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QENzkzKshpQ
Failing schools come mostly down to disengaged kids who don't see the point in education and parents that support that outlook. Changing that is something you have ruled out before.
I went to such a school and the thing that kept me learning wasn't the teaching it was the other kids who not only didn't want to learn they were determined no one else should either.
My reforms will - over time - have that effect.0 -
They won't do anything - c'mon. They're not guerrilla freedom fighters.HYUFD said:
Of course it will, middle class parents want the best schools for their children and will do anything to ensure that.kinabalu said:
I don't think so. Not in droves and not beyond the short term. But in any event I'm not framing an education policy with a view to its impact on house prices. They are enough of an obsession here to start with.HYUFD said:
Your plan will boost house prices even more, abolish private and grammar schools and middle class parents will pay a fortune for houses in the catchment areas of outstanding state comprehensive or academieskinabalu said:
Yes - but that's a collateral benefit not the main point of it.MarqueeMark said:
You've just crashed millions of school-related house prices at stroke.kinabalu said:
I prefer to focus on what is being created. Every child going to their excellent local school. All catered for and given the chance to blossom. Flexible. Diverse. All the angst and division around eduction that we see today eliminated along with its toxic propagation of class inequality. As I say - a great prize.HYUFD said:
I know, you want to abolish all private schools, grammar schools and religious schools.kinabalu said:
There will be little or none of that as I envisage things. Certainly no vicar involvement. What there will be is a transformed social and educational landscape.HYUFD said:
By sending their children private to a grammar or by buying a house in an outstanding comp or academy catchment area or going to church more often to get a vicar's note to get into onekinabalu said:
They will need to elevate and keep their eyes on the prize.HYUFD said:
Unless you make all comps outstanding that is never happening, middle class parents will not touch inadequate or requires improvement comps with a bargepolekinabalu said:
Maybe not double (salary) but I will launch myself into your good books by saying that imo the transformation of teaching into a high status high pay profession to rank with law and medicine is my silver bullet along with 100% comps, no privates, resource skewed towards disadvantaged areas.Fysics_Teacher said:
I’d settle for that SSR myself.kinabalu said:
Is that a policy you support then - you being paid double?ydoethur said:
I dunno. If teachers were paid double what they are in the state sector and had a 1:7 SSR (without checking) I think many of our educational problems would disappear.kamski said:
Hilarious trolling.Philip_Thompson said:
I see no scandal. It simply shows that Eton is a good school and should be encouraged to be as good as it can be so that the public sector can learn from it.kinabalu said:
Stonking point. Thus of the last 7 eligible Tory PMs, FIVE (!) went to Eton. A scandal really when you stop to think about it. How on earth can this be?Carnyx said:The dominance of Eton in Tory PMs is even greater when one remembers that PMs Thatcher and (possibly, in terms of admitting females to the sixth form at the time?) May were disqualified from Eton anyway by being girls.
I’ve seen a lot of my colleagues head off to the independent sector over the years. Possibly half of the ones that don’t leave by retirement.
"Mum, I've decided to become an investment banker."
"Oh, Ok darling. I see."
"You don't seem pleased."
"It's not that. It's just that you're so bright and everything - me and your father were rather hoping you might aim a little higher than that. Try and get into teaching even."
"Where did you go to school?"
"Er, what do you mean? ... I went to school."
THIS is the prize.
However to get true equality you will also have to abolish all outstanding or even just good comprehensives and academies too, we cannot have anyone getting an advantage now can we.
Which would end up about as effective as abolishing Waitrose, Marks and Spencer and Sainsburys and making everyone shop at Lidl or Asda
"Where should we send Peter to school, honey?"
"Er, what are you talking about, where? - he's going to school."
"Oh right. So I guess we don't have to obsess about it for ages then."
"Correct. Fancy a curry tonight?"
On which subject, a friend has just put their Dartmouth property on the market for 20-25% more than they were expecting. They have two viewings today. The agent expects it will be sold within 10 days. It's just flying out the door in south Devon.
Re a mini property boom, I do hope this is not to an extent because of the stamp duty concession. Overpay by £30k to save £15k. Such crazy things can and sometimes do happen in the housing market.0 -
You are way too cynical. Teachers with that attitude will be weeded out pronto!Fysics_Teacher said:
Well done. You’ve just created an incentive for schools to get the worst exam results that they can...kinabalu said:
You might view education as akin to the restaurant trade but I don't.HYUFD said:
Utter rubbish, by definition if you live in the posh part of town sending your child to the local school is far more likely to be to an excellent school than parents sending their children to the local school in the rough part of town.kinabalu said:
I prefer to focus on what is being created. Every child going to their excellent local school. All catered for and given the chance to blossom. Flexible. Diverse. All the angst and division around eduction that we see today eliminated along with its toxic propagation of class inequality. As I say - a great prize.HYUFD said:
I know, you want to abolish all private schools, grammar schools and religious schools.kinabalu said:
There will be little or none of that as I envisage things. Certainly no vicar involvement. What there will be is a transformed social and educational landscape.HYUFD said:
By sending their children private to a grammar or by buying a house in an outstanding comp or academy catchment area or going to church more often to get a vicar's note to get into onekinabalu said:
They will need to elevate and keep their eyes on the prize.HYUFD said:
Unless you make all comps outstanding that is never happening, middle class parents will not touch inadequate or requires improvement comps with a bargepolekinabalu said:
Maybe not double (salary) but I will launch myself into your good books by saying that imo the transformation of teaching into a high status high pay profession to rank with law and medicine is my silver bullet along with 100% comps, no privates, resource skewed towards disadvantaged areas.Fysics_Teacher said:
I’d settle for that SSR myself.kinabalu said:
Is that a policy you support then - you being paid double?ydoethur said:
I dunno. If teachers were paid double what they are in the state sector and had a 1:7 SSR (without checking) I think many of our educational problems would disappear.kamski said:
Hilarious trolling.Philip_Thompson said:
I see no scandal. It simply shows that Eton is a good school and should be encouraged to be as good as it can be so that the public sector can learn from it.kinabalu said:
Stonking point. Thus of the last 7 eligible Tory PMs, FIVE (!) went to Eton. A scandal really when you stop to think about it. How on earth can this be?Carnyx said:The dominance of Eton in Tory PMs is even greater when one remembers that PMs Thatcher and (possibly, in terms of admitting females to the sixth form at the time?) May were disqualified from Eton anyway by being girls.
I’ve seen a lot of my colleagues head off to the independent sector over the years. Possibly half of the ones that don’t leave by retirement.
"Mum, I've decided to become an investment banker."
"Oh, Ok darling. I see."
"You don't seem pleased."
"It's not that. It's just that you're so bright and everything - me and your father were rather hoping you might aim a little higher than that. Try and get into teaching even."
"Where did you go to school?"
"Er, what do you mean? ... I went to school."
THIS is the prize.
However to get true equality you will also have to abolish all outstanding or even just good comprehensives and academies too, we cannot have anyone getting an advantage now can we.
Which would end up about as effective as abolishing Waitrose, Marks and Spencer and Sainsburys and making everyone shop at Lidl or Asda
"Where should we send Peter to school, honey?"
"Er, what are you talking about, where? - he's going to school."
"Oh right. So I guess we don't have to obsess about it for ages then."
"Correct. Fancy a curry tonight?"
Plus if you order a curry from an excellent restaurant surely you must abolish that too as it is more expensive than the customers who have to buy from the far less good curry house down the road?
Re your more serious point, you are missing 2 key parts of the proposed reform. (i) Resource will be heavily skewed to schools in disadvantaged areas. (ii) Teaching will be a 'creme de la creme' profession. You probably know the Eric Cantona beer advert? So it will like that with "farmer" replaced by "teacher".
Upshot, struggling schools invested in very seriously and staffed (via incentives) with the best teachers. Better than those in "easier" environments. A few years of this and what we see is gaps closing. And as gaps close, behaviour duly changes and gaps close further. A virtuous circle replaces a vicious one.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QENzkzKshpQ0 -
Hey - I know it's easier for you if no one can see your posts but we're all over on the other thread...kinabalu said:
You are way too cynical. Teachers with that attitude will be weeded out pronto!Fysics_Teacher said:
Well done. You’ve just created an incentive for schools to get the worst exam results that they can...kinabalu said:
You might view education as akin to the restaurant trade but I don't.HYUFD said:
Utter rubbish, by definition if you live in the posh part of town sending your child to the local school is far more likely to be to an excellent school than parents sending their children to the local school in the rough part of town.kinabalu said:
I prefer to focus on what is being created. Every child going to their excellent local school. All catered for and given the chance to blossom. Flexible. Diverse. All the angst and division around eduction that we see today eliminated along with its toxic propagation of class inequality. As I say - a great prize.HYUFD said:
I know, you want to abolish all private schools, grammar schools and religious schools.kinabalu said:
There will be little or none of that as I envisage things. Certainly no vicar involvement. What there will be is a transformed social and educational landscape.HYUFD said:
By sending their children private to a grammar or by buying a house in an outstanding comp or academy catchment area or going to church more often to get a vicar's note to get into onekinabalu said:
They will need to elevate and keep their eyes on the prize.HYUFD said:
Unless you make all comps outstanding that is never happening, middle class parents will not touch inadequate or requires improvement comps with a bargepolekinabalu said:
Maybe not double (salary) but I will launch myself into your good books by saying that imo the transformation of teaching into a high status high pay profession to rank with law and medicine is my silver bullet along with 100% comps, no privates, resource skewed towards disadvantaged areas.Fysics_Teacher said:
I’d settle for that SSR myself.kinabalu said:
Is that a policy you support then - you being paid double?ydoethur said:
I dunno. If teachers were paid double what they are in the state sector and had a 1:7 SSR (without checking) I think many of our educational problems would disappear.kamski said:
Hilarious trolling.Philip_Thompson said:
I see no scandal. It simply shows that Eton is a good school and should be encouraged to be as good as it can be so that the public sector can learn from it.kinabalu said:
Stonking point. Thus of the last 7 eligible Tory PMs, FIVE (!) went to Eton. A scandal really when you stop to think about it. How on earth can this be?Carnyx said:The dominance of Eton in Tory PMs is even greater when one remembers that PMs Thatcher and (possibly, in terms of admitting females to the sixth form at the time?) May were disqualified from Eton anyway by being girls.
I’ve seen a lot of my colleagues head off to the independent sector over the years. Possibly half of the ones that don’t leave by retirement.
"Mum, I've decided to become an investment banker."
"Oh, Ok darling. I see."
"You don't seem pleased."
"It's not that. It's just that you're so bright and everything - me and your father were rather hoping you might aim a little higher than that. Try and get into teaching even."
"Where did you go to school?"
"Er, what do you mean? ... I went to school."
THIS is the prize.
However to get true equality you will also have to abolish all outstanding or even just good comprehensives and academies too, we cannot have anyone getting an advantage now can we.
Which would end up about as effective as abolishing Waitrose, Marks and Spencer and Sainsburys and making everyone shop at Lidl or Asda
"Where should we send Peter to school, honey?"
"Er, what are you talking about, where? - he's going to school."
"Oh right. So I guess we don't have to obsess about it for ages then."
"Correct. Fancy a curry tonight?"
Plus if you order a curry from an excellent restaurant surely you must abolish that too as it is more expensive than the customers who have to buy from the far less good curry house down the road?
Re your more serious point, you are missing 2 key parts of the proposed reform. (i) Resource will be heavily skewed to schools in disadvantaged areas. (ii) Teaching will be a 'creme de la creme' profession. You probably know the Eric Cantona beer advert? So it will like that with "farmer" replaced by "teacher".
Upshot, struggling schools invested in very seriously and staffed (via incentives) with the best teachers. Better than those in "easier" environments. A few years of this and what we see is gaps closing. And as gaps close, behaviour duly changes and gaps close further. A virtuous circle replaces a vicious one.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QENzkzKshpQ1 -
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The danger of annualising quarterly figures...Gallowgate said:
The whole of the US economy decreased in size by 33% in 3 months? Really?TheScreamingEagles said:Related to Trump's tweet?
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