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These are very troubling times in the United States with the protests and demonstrations sparked off by the murder by police of a black man in Minneapolis taking place every evening in cities and towns right across the country.

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  • Ave_itAve_it Posts: 2,411
    Still time for Trump to win
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 79,564
    Win what ?
  • Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826
    I worry that violence may push the swing voters to Trump. It will be entirely underserved but looting does not help Biden.
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 44,432
    Is Trump going to double down on his shithousery as the polls worsen? He seems obsessed with his 'ratings' at the best of times, to the point of cherry picking and misrepresentation. This, needless to say, is not the best of times.
  • FishingFishing Posts: 5,734
    I wonder if the Americans will finally change the idiotic Electoral College if he wins it again but loses the popular vote decisively. Three times in six elections is more than just odd happenstance.
  • Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826
    Theuniondivvie said:

    Is Trump going to double down on his shithousery as the polls worsen? He seems obsessed with his 'ratings' at the best of times, to the point of cherry picking and misrepresentation. This, needless to say, is not the best of times.

    Wow a rare occasion of the lesser spotted QTWAIY.
  • brokenwheelbrokenwheel Posts: 3,352
    I suspect that whatever happens it'll be the opposite of what the odds suggest.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 79,850
    Where was Boris in today's vote ?

    If he'd have paired it'd have to be with Starmer I'd have thought. And Starmer voted down the nonsense. DIsappointed Brady's amendment didn't carry, that would have been a good compromise.
    Expert commentator Ruth Fox who I've never seen take a view on a parliamentary vote before was deeply unimpressed.
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 30,348
    Fishing said:

    I wonder if the Americans will finally change the idiotic Electoral College if he wins it again but loses the popular vote decisively. Three times in six elections is more than just odd happenstance.

    It would need a Democrat win first. It would be 3 out 6 all in one direction.
    Incidentally the Dems have won the popular vote 6 of the last 7.
    They aren't the out of touch ones as sometimes wrongly portrayed.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 79,564
    Quite appalling that the senior law officer of the US should have ordered this.

    https://twitter.com/NAChristakis/status/1267927154374905857
  • matthiasfromhamburgmatthiasfromhamburg Posts: 957
    Pulpstar said:

    Where was Boris in today's vote ?

    If he'd have paired it'd have to be with Starmer I'd have thought. And Starmer voted down the nonsense. DIsappointed Brady's amendment didn't carry, that would have been a good compromise.
    Expert commentator Ruth Fox who I've never seen take a view on a parliamentary vote before was deeply unimpressed.

    He was plotting to take control. The 'rona better do some subordinate kneeling now.
    https://twitter.com/Telegraph/status/1267927521745686528?s=20
  • CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758
    FPT
    Philip_Thompson said:

    Alistair said:

    contrarian said:

    rottenborough said:

    https://twitter.com/timberners_lee/status/1267870995014209536

    The first tweet back says he was a "career criminal".

    Incredible.

    Norman Stanley Fletcher would have been sat on while he died of lack of air under that view of the world.

    Thing is, they are going to throw the book at this guy, rightly, for what he has done.

    Due process will take its course and he will be severely punished, as he should be.

    And if there hadn't been someone filming the whole thing he would have gotten away with it.
    Indeed just like with Ahmaud Arbery too recently.
    There was an interview today with some silly teenagers organising the U.K. protests about Floyd.

    But the stat that jumped out to me was that in the UK 936 BAME individuals have died in police custody/following police contact (eg shooting) since 1990.

    That’s like 30 a year. I had absolutely no idea it was this high
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 66,998
    matthiasfromhamburg said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Where was Boris in today's vote ?

    If he'd have paired it'd have to be with Starmer I'd have thought. And Starmer voted down the nonsense. DIsappointed Brady's amendment didn't carry, that would have been a good compromise.
    Expert commentator Ruth Fox who I've never seen take a view on a parliamentary vote before was deeply unimpressed.

    He was plotting to take control. The 'rona better do some subordinate kneeling now.
    https://twitter.com/Telegraph/status/1267927521745686528?s=20
    So, like the last three months, he's not been in control?

  • DougSealDougSeal Posts: 12,788
    Fishing said:

    I wonder if the Americans will finally change the idiotic Electoral College if he wins it again but loses the popular vote decisively. Three times in six elections is more than just odd happenstance.

    It’s essentially impossible to change their constitution now. The country is too divided along partisan lines to be able to get the majorities to alter a single clause. When there was 13 states, much easier, but there hasn’t been an amendment since the early Nineties and that was only because of some college kid being pissed off at a grade he got on a politics paper -

    https://constitutioncenter.org/blog/how-a-c-grade-college-term-paper-led-to-a-constitutional-amendment
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 66,998
    Philip_Thompson said:

    I worry that violence may push the swing voters to Trump. It will be entirely underserved but looting does not help Biden.

    This. 100x this.

    Silent majority election alert.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 66,260
    matthiasfromhamburg said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Where was Boris in today's vote ?

    If he'd have paired it'd have to be with Starmer I'd have thought. And Starmer voted down the nonsense. DIsappointed Brady's amendment didn't carry, that would have been a good compromise.
    Expert commentator Ruth Fox who I've never seen take a view on a parliamentary vote before was deeply unimpressed.

    He was plotting to take control. The 'rona better do some subordinate kneeling now.
    https://twitter.com/Telegraph/status/1267927521745686528?s=20
    Strange headline but then he does go missing
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 44,432
    Philip_Thompson said:

    Theuniondivvie said:

    Is Trump going to double down on his shithousery as the polls worsen? He seems obsessed with his 'ratings' at the best of times, to the point of cherry picking and misrepresentation. This, needless to say, is not the best of times.

    Wow a rare occasion of the lesser spotted QTWAIY.
    True, it's just a bit mind blowing trying to imagine with what kind of filthy behaviour he can out-Trump his previous record.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 86,009
    Is this the 2hr queue for McDonalds?
  • DougSealDougSeal Posts: 12,788
    matthiasfromhamburg said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Where was Boris in today's vote ?

    If he'd have paired it'd have to be with Starmer I'd have thought. And Starmer voted down the nonsense. DIsappointed Brady's amendment didn't carry, that would have been a good compromise.
    Expert commentator Ruth Fox who I've never seen take a view on a parliamentary vote before was deeply unimpressed.

    He was plotting to take control. The 'rona better do some subordinate kneeling now.
    https://twitter.com/Telegraph/status/1267927521745686528?s=20
    So he hasn’t been in control? And why would he have to do this given everything is going so swimmingly?
  • matthiasfromhamburgmatthiasfromhamburg Posts: 957
    edited June 2020
    rottenborough said:

    matthiasfromhamburg said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Where was Boris in today's vote ?

    If he'd have paired it'd have to be with Starmer I'd have thought. And Starmer voted down the nonsense. DIsappointed Brady's amendment didn't carry, that would have been a good compromise.
    Expert commentator Ruth Fox who I've never seen take a view on a parliamentary vote before was deeply unimpressed.

    He was plotting to take control. The 'rona better do some subordinate kneeling now.
    https://twitter.com/Telegraph/status/1267927521745686528?s=20
    So, like the last three months, he's not been in control?

    Not in "direct control" as the Telegraph has learned. Something or someone has held him back.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 66,998
    And we are quickly back to QTWTAIN...

    https://twitter.com/williamnhutton/status/1267934761823219714
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 30,348
    Quite.
    I don't see how a virus running rampant when the rest of the developed world has some sort of control of it.
    40 million unemployed and therefore uninsured (and that's just the ones claiming).
    Cities in flames.
    Is by any stretch Making America Great Again.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 31,922
    DougSeal said:

    Fishing said:

    I wonder if the Americans will finally change the idiotic Electoral College if he wins it again but loses the popular vote decisively. Three times in six elections is more than just odd happenstance.

    It’s essentially impossible to change their constitution now. The country is too divided along partisan lines to be able to get the majorities to alter a single clause. When there was 13 states, much easier, but there hasn’t been an amendment since the early Nineties and that was only because of some college kid being pissed off at a grade he got on a politics paper -

    https://constitutioncenter.org/blog/how-a-c-grade-college-term-paper-led-to-a-constitutional-amendment
    While the Republicans benefit, I doubt there will be any movement.
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 35,627
    rottenborough said:

    Philip_Thompson said:

    I worry that violence may push the swing voters to Trump. It will be entirely underserved but looting does not help Biden.

    This. 100x this.

    Silent majority election alert.
    It will be very old news by November.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 129,084
    https://twitter.com/tnewtondunn/status/1267929848623902721?s=20
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 129,084
    https://twitter.com/EveningStandard/status/1267911924571877376?s=20
  • CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758
    matthiasfromhamburg said:

    rottenborough said:

    matthiasfromhamburg said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Where was Boris in today's vote ?

    If he'd have paired it'd have to be with Starmer I'd have thought. And Starmer voted down the nonsense. DIsappointed Brady's amendment didn't carry, that would have been a good compromise.
    Expert commentator Ruth Fox who I've never seen take a view on a parliamentary vote before was deeply unimpressed.

    He was plotting to take control. The 'rona better do some subordinate kneeling now.
    https://twitter.com/Telegraph/status/1267927521745686528?s=20
    So, like the last three months, he's not been in control?

    Not in "direct control" as The Telegraph has learned. Something or someone has held him back.
    To be fair he was in ICU & recovery
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 79,850
    Looks like France is going to do a maximal stress test on viral outdoors transmission too : https://twitter.com/YourAnonCentral/status/1267916344487317504
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 66,998
    Houston

    https://twitter.com/TJParkerABC13/status/1267935853608947715
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 129,084
    Odds of 50% to 44% are roughly where the polling is now

    https://twitter.com/Politics_Polls/status/1267699277482135552?s=20
  • CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758
    rottenborough said:

    And we are quickly back to QTWTAIN...

    https://twitter.com/williamnhutton/status/1267934761823219714

    May be the EU will make common cause with us and condemn the Chinese for breaking international law over Hong Kong
  • DougSealDougSeal Posts: 12,788
    edited June 2020
    rottenborough said:

    Philip_Thompson said:

    I worry that violence may push the swing voters to Trump. It will be entirely underserved but looting does not help Biden.

    This. 100x this.

    Silent majority election alert.
    https://twitter.com/washingtonpost/status/1267838855316733952

    https://twitter.com/davidfrum/status/1267833479959642114
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 66,998
    Pulpstar said:

    Looks like France is going to do a maximal stress test on viral outdoors transmission too : https://twitter.com/YourAnonCentral/status/1267916344487317504

    The French know a lot about executions. :smiley:
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 79,850
    rottenborough said:

    Houston

    https://twitter.com/TJParkerABC13/status/1267935853608947715

    Covid's gone away right ?
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 86,009
    Pulpstar said:

    Looks like France is going to do a maximal stress test on viral outdoors transmission too : twitter.com/YourAnonCentral/status/1267916344487317504

    Time for France's summer pastime...
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 35,627
    edited June 2020
    Theuniondivvie said:

    Philip_Thompson said:

    Theuniondivvie said:

    Is Trump going to double down on his shithousery as the polls worsen? He seems obsessed with his 'ratings' at the best of times, to the point of cherry picking and misrepresentation. This, needless to say, is not the best of times.

    Wow a rare occasion of the lesser spotted QTWAIY.
    True, it's just a bit mind blowing trying to imagine with what kind of filthy behaviour he can out-Trump his previous record.
    He's more likely to make an abrupt u-turn when faced with bad polls, accompanied with outright denial that he was ever pointed in the opposite direction.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 52,287
    https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/nhs-will-be-forced-to-extend-rationing-patients-warned-hqwkrs7qj

    Its almost as if someone has been reading PB...

    https://www7.politicalbetting.com/index.php/archives/2020/05/17/28-weeks-later-the-coronavirus-aftermath-for-the-nhs-and-its-political-implications/
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 31,922
    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    matthiasfromhamburg said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Where was Boris in today's vote ?

    If he'd have paired it'd have to be with Starmer I'd have thought. And Starmer voted down the nonsense. DIsappointed Brady's amendment didn't carry, that would have been a good compromise.
    Expert commentator Ruth Fox who I've never seen take a view on a parliamentary vote before was deeply unimpressed.

    He was plotting to take control. The 'rona better do some subordinate kneeling now.
    https://twitter.com/Telegraph/status/1267927521745686528?s=20
    Strange headline but then he does go missing
    Boris wants to centralise even more power at Number 10, not because this strategy has worked up to now but because power is nice to have. I'm not sure I believe the Telegraph's spin that this is aimed at weakening Dominic Cummings; if the PM's influence rises, so will his Chief's, and only one of them has a concentration span of more than five minutes.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 66,998
    HYUFD said:

    https://twitter.com/tnewtondunn/status/1267929848623902721?s=20

    My town had a very old pub will little bells in the walls behind each table to call the attention of waiters to serve the next round. This had been around since god knows when and lasted until ten or so years ago (the bells are still there to the best of my knowledge, but you don't get the staff these days).

  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 31,922
    FPT
    Songs and PB demographics -- all the same era; all the same genre. (For some values of all.)
  • DougSealDougSeal Posts: 12,788
    HYUFD said:

    https://twitter.com/EveningStandard/status/1267911924571877376?s=20

    Oh, for the love of God...
  • Ave_itAve_it Posts: 2,411
    HYUFD said:

    https://twitter.com/tnewtondunn/status/1267929848623902721?s=20

    I might have to upgrade my phone! :lol:
    :
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 52,287
    HYUFD said:

    https://twitter.com/EveningStandard/status/1267911924571877376?s=20

    a bit of cos-play? Whatever turns you on...
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 129,084
    edited June 2020
    Pulpstar said:

    Looks like France is going to do a maximal stress test on viral outdoors transmission too : https://twitter.com/YourAnonCentral/status/1267916344487317504

    That would be the same France where Marine Le Pen is polling 45% ahead of the 2022 presidential election?

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2022_French_presidential_election
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 79,850
    As a counterpoint to my - GOP more in favour of the military than the more divided Dems on the issue,....

    The one thing Biden can't be pinned down as is someone on the radical left, Trump's tweets are always about... 'other' or 'Joe's team'; which doesn't accuse Biden directly of being on the AoC/Bernster wing. Because he's not.
    So I think law and order is OK territory for Joe. The black vote might be got out too more than it otherwise would.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 66,998
    Trump's campaign themes #2:

    "The virus was defeated until BLM rioters all took to the streets at very close distance to each other"
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 35,627
    HYUFD said:

    https://twitter.com/tnewtondunn/status/1267929848623902721?s=20

    Are PHE writing the app?
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 55,229
    HYUFD said:

    https://twitter.com/EveningStandard/status/1267911924571877376?s=20

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GyBrCwiq5ZY
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 23,184
    HYUFD said:

    https://twitter.com/EveningStandard/status/1267911924571877376?s=20

    I am reminded of the old saying "You don't look at the mantlepiece while you're stoking the fire"

    Night all
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 79,850
    edited June 2020
    Benpointer said:

    HYUFD said:

    https://twitter.com/tnewtondunn/status/1267929848623902721?s=20

    Are PHE writing the app?
    They don't allow beer gardens to open and then suddenly the whole caboodle can open up ?
    What's going on lol
  • matthiasfromhamburgmatthiasfromhamburg Posts: 957
    Charles said:

    rottenborough said:

    And we are quickly back to QTWTAIN...

    https://twitter.com/williamnhutton/status/1267934761823219714

    May be the EU will make common cause with us and condemn the Chinese for breaking international law over Hong Kong
    Firstly, the EU repeatedly has expressed concerns about China's behaviour in Hong Kong and secondly, I thought that yesterday's late thread had worked out that "international law" was more a figment of imagination?
  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 23,795
    HYUFD said:

    https://twitter.com/tnewtondunn/status/1267929848623902721?s=20

    Good story!
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 46,368
    rottenborough said:

    Philip_Thompson said:

    I worry that violence may push the swing voters to Trump. It will be entirely underserved but looting does not help Biden.

    This. 100x this.

    Silent majority election alert.
    No. Stop worrying. This is only going one way. Trump is not electable in 2020. Please trust me on this.
  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 23,795
    Pulpstar said:

    rottenborough said:

    Houston

    https://twitter.com/TJParkerABC13/status/1267935853608947715

    Covid's gone away right ?
    People have realised that there are bigger risks to their way of life.
  • Richard_NabaviRichard_Nabavi Posts: 30,822
    Turns out that sovereignty works both ways:

    https://www.reuters.com/article/us-britain-eu-finance-idUSKBN2392ET

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2020/jun/02/uk-fisheries-accuse-eu-of-using-nuclear-option-in-brexit-talks

    Well there's a surprise.
  • CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758
    matthiasfromhamburg said:

    Charles said:

    rottenborough said:

    And we are quickly back to QTWTAIN...

    https://twitter.com/williamnhutton/status/1267934761823219714

    May be the EU will make common cause with us and condemn the Chinese for breaking international law over Hong Kong
    Firstly, the EU repeatedly has expressed concerns about China's behaviour in Hong Kong and secondly, I thought that yesterday's late thread had worked out that "international law" was more a figment of imagination?
    In remarkably soft terms

    I didn’t read the last thread. But they have acted in breach of their treaty obligations
  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 23,795
    DougSeal said:

    HYUFD said:

    https://twitter.com/EveningStandard/status/1267911924571877376?s=20

    Oh, for the love of God...
    Plenty of people already wear masks for sex...
  • houndtanghoundtang Posts: 450
    dixiedean said:

    Fishing said:

    I wonder if the Americans will finally change the idiotic Electoral College if he wins it again but loses the popular vote decisively. Three times in six elections is more than just odd happenstance.

    It would need a Democrat win first. It would be 3 out 6 all in one direction.
    Incidentally the Dems have won the popular vote 6 of the last 7.
    They aren't the out of touch ones as sometimes wrongly portrayed.
    It would need approval by 3/4 of the state legislatures which is incredibly unlikely to happen.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 36,518
    Giles Coren has deleted his twitter page after getting into an argument with someone who accused him of being a racist.
  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 23,795
    rottenborough said:

    HYUFD said:

    https://twitter.com/tnewtondunn/status/1267929848623902721?s=20

    My town had a very old pub will little bells in the walls behind each table to call the attention of waiters to serve the next round. This had been around since god knows when and lasted until ten or so years ago (the bells are still there to the best of my knowledge, but you don't get the staff these days).

    Time to revive the tradition
  • Richard_NabaviRichard_Nabavi Posts: 30,822
    Anabobazina said:

    rottenborough said:

    HYUFD said:

    https://twitter.com/tnewtondunn/status/1267929848623902721?s=20

    My town had a very old pub will little bells in the walls behind each table to call the attention of waiters to serve the next round. This had been around since god knows when and lasted until ten or so years ago (the bells are still there to the best of my knowledge, but you don't get the staff these days).

    Time to revive the tradition
    Or even better this one:

    https://www.bobbobricard.com/images/bbr/hr/bobbobricard-restaurant-01.jpg
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 60,791
    Charles said:

    FPT

    Philip_Thompson said:

    Alistair said:

    contrarian said:

    rottenborough said:

    https://twitter.com/timberners_lee/status/1267870995014209536

    The first tweet back says he was a "career criminal".

    Incredible.

    Norman Stanley Fletcher would have been sat on while he died of lack of air under that view of the world.

    Thing is, they are going to throw the book at this guy, rightly, for what he has done.

    Due process will take its course and he will be severely punished, as he should be.

    And if there hadn't been someone filming the whole thing he would have gotten away with it.
    Indeed just like with Ahmaud Arbery too recently.
    There was an interview today with some silly teenagers organising the U.K. protests about Floyd.

    But the stat that jumped out to me was that in the UK 936 BAME individuals have died in police custody/following police contact (eg shooting) since 1990.

    That’s like 30 a year. I had absolutely no idea it was this high
    That's an appalling number.
  • valleyboyvalleyboy Posts: 606
    Justin124 on previous thread re Preseli Pembs. Genuine question why is it pretty certain Wales will lose seats in boundary changes?
    Dynamics of 2019? Like everywhere else Brexit and Corbyn.
    Crabbe not popular but this is a Tory marginal. Labour could do with a bit of Cardigan!
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 44,432
    Anabobazina said:

    DougSeal said:

    HYUFD said:

    https://twitter.com/EveningStandard/status/1267911924571877376?s=20

    Oh, for the love of God...
    Plenty of people already wear masks for sex...
    Plenty of people should wear masks for sex.
  • CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758
    Richard_Nabavi said:

    Anabobazina said:

    rottenborough said:

    HYUFD said:

    https://twitter.com/tnewtondunn/status/1267929848623902721?s=20

    My town had a very old pub will little bells in the walls behind each table to call the attention of waiters to serve the next round. This had been around since god knows when and lasted until ten or so years ago (the bells are still there to the best of my knowledge, but you don't get the staff these days).

    Time to revive the tradition
    Or even better this one:

    https://www.bobbobricard.com/images/bbr/hr/bobbobricard-restaurant-01.jpg
    Why do you need to press?

    Good staff know your consumption rate and refill you automatically as you approach the 1/3 line
  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 23,795
    edited June 2020
    Richard_Nabavi said:

    Anabobazina said:

    rottenborough said:

    HYUFD said:

    https://twitter.com/tnewtondunn/status/1267929848623902721?s=20

    My town had a very old pub will little bells in the walls behind each table to call the attention of waiters to serve the next round. This had been around since god knows when and lasted until ten or so years ago (the bells are still there to the best of my knowledge, but you don't get the staff these days).

    Time to revive the tradition
    Or even better this one:

    https://www.bobbobricard.com/images/bbr/hr/bobbobricard-restaurant-01.jpg
    Hands up. I’ve pressed that very button (or at least an identical one in the same restaurant).

    Great fun, Bob Bob Ricard. The house stuff is better than the pricier option, I found.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 31,922
    Andy_JS said:

    Giles Coren has deleted his twitter page after getting into an argument with someone who accused him of being a racist.

    Again? Is this old news or does Coren flounce every six months or so?
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 79,850
    Andy_JS said:

    Giles Coren has deleted his twitter page after getting into an argument with someone who accused him of being a racist.

    I've read the exchange, looks like dry self deprecating humour to me. He's realised twitter won't get that though so quickly deleted his account. He'll be back I'm sure he's pulled that particular stunt before.
  • brokenwheelbrokenwheel Posts: 3,352
    Andy_JS said:

    Giles Coren has deleted his twitter page after getting into an argument with someone who accused him of being a racist.

    Refused to kneel? ;)
  • CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758
    rcs1000 said:

    Charles said:

    FPT

    Philip_Thompson said:

    Alistair said:

    contrarian said:

    rottenborough said:

    https://twitter.com/timberners_lee/status/1267870995014209536

    The first tweet back says he was a "career criminal".

    Incredible.

    Norman Stanley Fletcher would have been sat on while he died of lack of air under that view of the world.

    Thing is, they are going to throw the book at this guy, rightly, for what he has done.

    Due process will take its course and he will be severely punished, as he should be.

    And if there hadn't been someone filming the whole thing he would have gotten away with it.
    Indeed just like with Ahmaud Arbery too recently.
    There was an interview today with some silly teenagers organising the U.K. protests about Floyd.

    But the stat that jumped out to me was that in the UK 936 BAME individuals have died in police custody/following police contact (eg shooting) since 1990.

    That’s like 30 a year. I had absolutely no idea it was this high
    That's an appalling number.
    I know. It was the daily mail so may be they are out by a factor of 10, but if not it’s scandalous
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 36,518
    edited June 2020
    valleyboy said:

    Justin124 on previous thread re Preseli Pembs. Genuine question why is it pretty certain Wales will lose seats in boundary changes?
    Dynamics of 2019? Like everywhere else Brexit and Corbyn.
    Crabbe not popular but this is a Tory marginal. Labour could do with a bit of Cardigan!

    Wales has 40 seats but is only entitled to about 31 based on its proportion of the UK population. (I know constituencies are based on electorate not population but it won't make any difference in this case. The only time there is a difference is when you compare big cities to elsewhere because they have a higher population of non-registered people).

    Wales population: 3.2 million
    UK population: 67.0 million

    Welsh percentage: 4.8%
    4.8% of 650 seats = 31.2 seats
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 60,791
    edited June 2020
    HYUFD said:

    https://twitter.com/EveningStandard/status/1267911924571877376?s=20

    I do that anyway. Last thing I need is for her to be able to provide a description to the police.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 31,922
    rcs1000 said:

    Charles said:

    FPT

    Philip_Thompson said:

    Alistair said:

    contrarian said:

    rottenborough said:

    https://twitter.com/timberners_lee/status/1267870995014209536

    The first tweet back says he was a "career criminal".

    Incredible.

    Norman Stanley Fletcher would have been sat on while he died of lack of air under that view of the world.

    Thing is, they are going to throw the book at this guy, rightly, for what he has done.

    Due process will take its course and he will be severely punished, as he should be.

    And if there hadn't been someone filming the whole thing he would have gotten away with it.
    Indeed just like with Ahmaud Arbery too recently.
    There was an interview today with some silly teenagers organising the U.K. protests about Floyd.

    But the stat that jumped out to me was that in the UK 936 BAME individuals have died in police custody/following police contact (eg shooting) since 1990.

    That’s like 30 a year. I had absolutely no idea it was this high
    That's an appalling number.
    Am I imagining it or has it previously been suggested that police choke holds (or kneeling on the neck) are particularly dangerous for Black victims?
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 30,348
    kinabalu said:

    rottenborough said:

    Philip_Thompson said:

    I worry that violence may push the swing voters to Trump. It will be entirely underserved but looting does not help Biden.

    This. 100x this.

    Silent majority election alert.
    No. Stop worrying. This is only going one way. Trump is not electable in 2020. Please trust me on this.
    I trust you on this.
    This always was going to be a silent majority election.
    The Americans I have encountered both over there and elsewhere, which is quite a number, has a level of fundamental decency which puts us to shame. For all their brashness and voluminous speech they are lovely people.
    And I trust them to do the right thing.
  • Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826
    dixiedean said:

    Fishing said:

    I wonder if the Americans will finally change the idiotic Electoral College if he wins it again but loses the popular vote decisively. Three times in six elections is more than just odd happenstance.

    It would need a Democrat win first. It would be 3 out 6 all in one direction.
    Incidentally the Dems have won the popular vote 6 of the last 7.
    They aren't the out of touch ones as sometimes wrongly portrayed.
    The Dems are out of touch with middle America. They're incredibly popular with the coastal states.

    The popular vote and electoral college reflects that reality. They need to appeal more in the Midwest.
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 30,348
    houndtang said:

    dixiedean said:

    Fishing said:

    I wonder if the Americans will finally change the idiotic Electoral College if he wins it again but loses the popular vote decisively. Three times in six elections is more than just odd happenstance.

    It would need a Democrat win first. It would be 3 out 6 all in one direction.
    Incidentally the Dems have won the popular vote 6 of the last 7.
    They aren't the out of touch ones as sometimes wrongly portrayed.
    It would need approval by 3/4 of the state legislatures which is incredibly unlikely to happen.
    Yes. I get that bit too.
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 30,348
    Anabobazina said:

    DougSeal said:

    HYUFD said:

    https://twitter.com/EveningStandard/status/1267911924571877376?s=20

    Oh, for the love of God...
    Plenty of people already wear masks for sex...
    I generally find it improves my success rate...
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 129,084
    Philip_Thompson said:

    dixiedean said:

    Fishing said:

    I wonder if the Americans will finally change the idiotic Electoral College if he wins it again but loses the popular vote decisively. Three times in six elections is more than just odd happenstance.

    It would need a Democrat win first. It would be 3 out 6 all in one direction.
    Incidentally the Dems have won the popular vote 6 of the last 7.
    They aren't the out of touch ones as sometimes wrongly portrayed.
    The Dems are out of touch with middle America. They're incredibly popular with the coastal states.

    The popular vote and electoral college reflects that reality. They need to appeal more in the Midwest.
    It should also be pointed out every elected Republican President until Trump has won over 50% of the popular vote at least once
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 99,176
    edited June 2020
    rottenborough said:

    And we are quickly back to QTWTAIN...

    https://twitter.com/williamnhutton/status/1267934761823219714

    Yes, the EU has never failed to speak out meaningfully against bad things in the world.

    Sometimes we do, sometimes the EU does, sometimes we both do, sometimes we both don't. No one is a saint here.
  • AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,670
    https://twitter.com/Cosmis/status/1267912312108785666?s=19
  • AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,670
    Dems are down to 1.88 to win.

    My average odds to back is 2.06.

    Do I lay them off now?
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 99,176
    FrancisUrquhart said:

    Is this the 2hr queue for McDonalds?

    I'll have a double cheeseburger, 9 chicken nuggets, large fries and a chocolate milkshake please. And three BBQ dips.
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 30,348
    Philip_Thompson said:

    dixiedean said:

    Fishing said:

    I wonder if the Americans will finally change the idiotic Electoral College if he wins it again but loses the popular vote decisively. Three times in six elections is more than just odd happenstance.

    It would need a Democrat win first. It would be 3 out 6 all in one direction.
    Incidentally the Dems have won the popular vote 6 of the last 7.
    They aren't the out of touch ones as sometimes wrongly portrayed.
    The Dems are out of touch with middle America. They're incredibly popular with the coastal states.

    The popular vote and electoral college reflects that reality. They need to appeal more in the Midwest.
    Which is a fair point. However it could also be said the Republicans are out of touch with coastal America. They need to appeal more to cities, the Pacific, and the Northeast.
    No sign that they are even trying.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 28,540
    edited June 2020
    ..
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 36,518
    HYUFD said:

    Philip_Thompson said:

    dixiedean said:

    Fishing said:

    I wonder if the Americans will finally change the idiotic Electoral College if he wins it again but loses the popular vote decisively. Three times in six elections is more than just odd happenstance.

    It would need a Democrat win first. It would be 3 out 6 all in one direction.
    Incidentally the Dems have won the popular vote 6 of the last 7.
    They aren't the out of touch ones as sometimes wrongly portrayed.
    The Dems are out of touch with middle America. They're incredibly popular with the coastal states.

    The popular vote and electoral college reflects that reality. They need to appeal more in the Midwest.
    It should also be pointed out every elected Republican President until Trump has won over 50% of the popular vote at least once
    Have you ruled out Trump getting 50% this year?
  • valleyboyvalleyboy Posts: 606
    Andy_JS said:

    valleyboy said:

    Justin124 on previous thread re Preseli Pembs. Genuine question why is it pretty certain Wales will lose seats in boundary changes?
    Dynamics of 2019? Like everywhere else Brexit and Corbyn.
    Crabbe not popular but this is a Tory marginal. Labour could do with a bit of Cardigan!

    Wales has 40 seats but is only entitled to about 31 based on its proportion of the UK population. (I know constituencies are based on electorate not population but it won't make any difference in this case. The only time there is a difference is when you compare big cities to elsewhere because they have a higher population of non-registered people).

    Wales population: 3.2 million
    UK population: 67.0 million

    Welsh percentage: 4.8%
    4.8% of 650 seats = 31.2 seats
    Thanks.
    I suspect there will be a fair degree of horse trading in N Wales with the 'red wall' seats gained by Tories in 2019.
  • dodradedodrade Posts: 597
    rottenborough said:

    HYUFD said:

    https://twitter.com/tnewtondunn/status/1267929848623902721?s=20

    My town had a very old pub will little bells in the walls behind each table to call the attention of waiters to serve the next round. This had been around since god knows when and lasted until ten or so years ago (the bells are still there to the best of my knowledge, but you don't get the staff these days).

    Time to bring back snugs?
  • Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826
    Charles said:

    FPT

    Philip_Thompson said:

    Alistair said:

    contrarian said:

    rottenborough said:

    https://twitter.com/timberners_lee/status/1267870995014209536

    The first tweet back says he was a "career criminal".

    Incredible.

    Norman Stanley Fletcher would have been sat on while he died of lack of air under that view of the world.

    Thing is, they are going to throw the book at this guy, rightly, for what he has done.

    Due process will take its course and he will be severely punished, as he should be.

    And if there hadn't been someone filming the whole thing he would have gotten away with it.
    Indeed just like with Ahmaud Arbery too recently.
    There was an interview today with some silly teenagers organising the U.K. protests about Floyd.

    But the stat that jumped out to me was that in the UK 936 BAME individuals have died in police custody/following police contact (eg shooting) since 1990.

    That’s like 30 a year. I had absolutely no idea it was this high
    That does sound high but the description also sounds very vague to leave it as open ended as possible. So I wonder what it includes.

    Does it include suicides?
    Does it include drug overdoses?

    Not all of that by any means would be due to brutality. If a child molester for instance is arrested and kills themselves are they included in the statistics?
  • adamandcatadamandcat Posts: 76
    DecrepiterJohnL said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Charles said:

    FPT

    Philip_Thompson said:

    Alistair said:

    contrarian said:

    rottenborough said:

    https://twitter.com/timberners_lee/status/1267870995014209536

    The first tweet back says he was a "career criminal".

    Incredible.

    Norman Stanley Fletcher would have been sat on while he died of lack of air under that view of the world.

    Thing is, they are going to throw the book at this guy, rightly, for what he has done.

    Due process will take its course and he will be severely punished, as he should be.

    And if there hadn't been someone filming the whole thing he would have gotten away with it.
    Indeed just like with Ahmaud Arbery too recently.
    There was an interview today with some silly teenagers organising the U.K. protests about Floyd.

    But the stat that jumped out to me was that in the UK 936 BAME individuals have died in police custody/following police contact (eg shooting) since 1990.

    That’s like 30 a year. I had absolutely no idea it was this high
    That's an appalling number.
    Am I imagining it or has it previously been suggested that police choke holds (or kneeling on the neck) are particularly dangerous for Black victims?
    Not a difficult one. 66% of kneeling on somebody's neck by the police is done to black people in Minnesota, who represent 19% of the state population.
  • AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,670
    Theuniondivvie said:

    Philip_Thompson said:

    Theuniondivvie said:

    Is Trump going to double down on his shithousery as the polls worsen? He seems obsessed with his 'ratings' at the best of times, to the point of cherry picking and misrepresentation. This, needless to say, is not the best of times.

    Wow a rare occasion of the lesser spotted QTWAIY.
    True, it's just a bit mind blowing trying to imagine with what kind of filthy behaviour he can out-Trump his previous record.
    As My Man Evan McMullin (great value loser in Utah in 2016) said today Trump was willing to gas Americans so he could have a photo op - what would you imagine he would be willing to do to retain power.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 129,084
    edited June 2020
    Andy_JS said:

    HYUFD said:

    Philip_Thompson said:

    dixiedean said:

    Fishing said:

    I wonder if the Americans will finally change the idiotic Electoral College if he wins it again but loses the popular vote decisively. Three times in six elections is more than just odd happenstance.

    It would need a Democrat win first. It would be 3 out 6 all in one direction.
    Incidentally the Dems have won the popular vote 6 of the last 7.
    They aren't the out of touch ones as sometimes wrongly portrayed.
    The Dems are out of touch with middle America. They're incredibly popular with the coastal states.

    The popular vote and electoral college reflects that reality. They need to appeal more in the Midwest.
    It should also be pointed out every elected Republican President until Trump has won over 50% of the popular vote at least once
    Have you ruled out Trump getting 50% this year?
    Only two elected Presidents since 1950 have failed to get 50% of the popular vote at least once, JFK and Bill Clinton (though Kennedy would almost certainly have got over 50% in 1964 v Goldwater and Clinton had Perot splitting the vote).

    I would not be surprised if Trump is re elected that he joins that club
  • AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,670
    Andy_JS said:

    HYUFD said:

    Philip_Thompson said:

    dixiedean said:

    Fishing said:

    I wonder if the Americans will finally change the idiotic Electoral College if he wins it again but loses the popular vote decisively. Three times in six elections is more than just odd happenstance.

    It would need a Democrat win first. It would be 3 out 6 all in one direction.
    Incidentally the Dems have won the popular vote 6 of the last 7.
    They aren't the out of touch ones as sometimes wrongly portrayed.
    The Dems are out of touch with middle America. They're incredibly popular with the coastal states.

    The popular vote and electoral college reflects that reality. They need to appeal more in the Midwest.
    It should also be pointed out every elected Republican President until Trump has won over 50% of the popular vote at least once
    Have you ruled out Trump getting 50% this year?
    Once Trump completes his pivot to the centre.
  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 23,795
    It’s good that there’s been yet another bungled boundary project as this will give Mike easy material when things quieten down in a week or so
  • Fysics_TeacherFysics_Teacher Posts: 6,303
    Charles said:

    FPT

    Philip_Thompson said:

    Alistair said:

    contrarian said:

    rottenborough said:

    https://twitter.com/timberners_lee/status/1267870995014209536

    The first tweet back says he was a "career criminal".

    Incredible.

    Norman Stanley Fletcher would have been sat on while he died of lack of air under that view of the world.

    Thing is, they are going to throw the book at this guy, rightly, for what he has done.

    Due process will take its course and he will be severely punished, as he should be.

    And if there hadn't been someone filming the whole thing he would have gotten away with it.
    Indeed just like with Ahmaud Arbery too recently.
    There was an interview today with some silly teenagers organising the U.K. protests about Floyd.

    But the stat that jumped out to me was that in the UK 936 BAME individuals have died in police custody/following police contact (eg shooting) since 1990.

    That’s like 30 a year. I had absolutely no idea it was this high
    Here is the report on the 2018/19 figures: https://www.policeconduct.gov.uk/sites/default/files/Documents/statistics/deaths_during_following_police_contact_201819.pdf
  • AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,670
    HYUFD said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Looks like France is going to do a maximal stress test on viral outdoors transmission too : https://twitter.com/YourAnonCentral/status/1267916344487317504

    That would be the same France where Marine Le Pen is polling 45% ahead of the 2022 presidential election?

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2022_French_presidential_election
    Yay, Le Pen ramping.

    Huzzah.

    Tell us again how many departments she won. I love the classics.
  • Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826
    dixiedean said:

    Philip_Thompson said:

    dixiedean said:

    Fishing said:

    I wonder if the Americans will finally change the idiotic Electoral College if he wins it again but loses the popular vote decisively. Three times in six elections is more than just odd happenstance.

    It would need a Democrat win first. It would be 3 out 6 all in one direction.
    Incidentally the Dems have won the popular vote 6 of the last 7.
    They aren't the out of touch ones as sometimes wrongly portrayed.
    The Dems are out of touch with middle America. They're incredibly popular with the coastal states.

    The popular vote and electoral college reflects that reality. They need to appeal more in the Midwest.
    Which is a fair point. However it could also be said the Republicans are out of touch with coastal America. They need to appeal more to cities, the Pacific, and the Northeast.
    No sign that they are even trying.
    They're winning at the moment so don't have as much need to try. But Trump won precisely because he did target blue states in the Midwest etc and Hillary neglected them.

    If the Democrats get their shit together and start taking the Midwest back on narrow margins . . . And if the Democrats manage to flip Texas . . . Then the Electoral could play massively in the Democrats favour. In that scenario it's entirely possible the Democrats could lose the popular vote and win the Presidency at which point expect the GOP to want to abolish the Electoral College and the Democrats to just as suddenly want to keep it.
  • Fysics_TeacherFysics_Teacher Posts: 6,303
    edited June 2020
    Philip_Thompson said:

    Charles said:

    FPT

    Philip_Thompson said:

    Alistair said:

    contrarian said:

    rottenborough said:

    https://twitter.com/timberners_lee/status/1267870995014209536

    The first tweet back says he was a "career criminal".

    Incredible.

    Norman Stanley Fletcher would have been sat on while he died of lack of air under that view of the world.

    Thing is, they are going to throw the book at this guy, rightly, for what he has done.

    Due process will take its course and he will be severely punished, as he should be.

    And if there hadn't been someone filming the whole thing he would have gotten away with it.
    Indeed just like with Ahmaud Arbery too recently.
    There was an interview today with some silly teenagers organising the U.K. protests about Floyd.

    But the stat that jumped out to me was that in the UK 936 BAME individuals have died in police custody/following police contact (eg shooting) since 1990.

    That’s like 30 a year. I had absolutely no idea it was this high
    That does sound high but the description also sounds very vague to leave it as open ended as possible. So I wonder what it includes.

    Does it include suicides?
    Does it include drug overdoses?

    Not all of that by any means would be due to brutality. If a child molester for instance is arrested and kills themselves are they included in the statistics?
    The answers are yes, yes and yes.

    Edit: if I’m reading the report right I think eight people died in 18/19 during restraint. Four were white, two black and two “mixed heritage” is I think the term they used.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 99,176
    Alistair said:

    Andy_JS said:

    HYUFD said:

    Philip_Thompson said:

    dixiedean said:

    Fishing said:

    I wonder if the Americans will finally change the idiotic Electoral College if he wins it again but loses the popular vote decisively. Three times in six elections is more than just odd happenstance.

    It would need a Democrat win first. It would be 3 out 6 all in one direction.
    Incidentally the Dems have won the popular vote 6 of the last 7.
    They aren't the out of touch ones as sometimes wrongly portrayed.
    The Dems are out of touch with middle America. They're incredibly popular with the coastal states.

    The popular vote and electoral college reflects that reality. They need to appeal more in the Midwest.
    It should also be pointed out every elected Republican President until Trump has won over 50% of the popular vote at least once
    Have you ruled out Trump getting 50% this year?
    Once Trump completes his pivot to the centre.
    He was saving that for his second term. Or third.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 31,922
    Andy_JS said:

    valleyboy said:

    Justin124 on previous thread re Preseli Pembs. Genuine question why is it pretty certain Wales will lose seats in boundary changes?
    Dynamics of 2019? Like everywhere else Brexit and Corbyn.
    Crabbe not popular but this is a Tory marginal. Labour could do with a bit of Cardigan!

    Wales has 40 seats but is only entitled to about 31 based on its proportion of the UK population. (I know constituencies are based on electorate not population but it won't make any difference in this case. The only time there is a difference is when you compare big cities to elsewhere because they have a higher population of non-registered people).

    Wales population: 3.2 million
    UK population: 67.0 million

    Welsh percentage: 4.8%
    4.8% of 650 seats = 31.2 seats
    In the past a degree of overrepresentation has been accepted to help stop Wales (and Scotland) being drowned out by England. When power was devolved to Scotland, the number of Scottish seats at Westminster was reduced. If I were in charge of Plaid Cymru, I'd use this to call for Scottish levels of devolution, and paint the Conservatives as anti-Welsh.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 129,084
    https://twitter.com/GeoffRBennett/status/1267917474974007298?s=20
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