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It's just a scratch...2
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'Tis not so deep as a well nor so wide as a church-door,
But 'tis enough, 'twill serve.'0 -
Still a 10 point lead though...
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Well then, everything's hunky dory.Nestacres said:Still a 10 point lead though...
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Is this relevant to anything? Cummings is clearly unpopular (no surprise) but I can't see it has any bearing whatsoever on the next general election.
That will be fought almost exclusively on what's left of the economy and a berk driving to a castle will be forgotten by 99% of voters1 -
Boris Johnson having declared the war is over, and the country open for business, what did you expect?Nestacres said:Still a 10 point lead though...
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All part of BJ and Dom's cunning plan. We lesser mortals may never be able to discern its fearful symmetry, but it's there for sure.0
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That might be true, however the focus will be on the berk driving the country.coach said:Is this relevant to anything? Cummings is clearly unpopular (no surprise) but I can't see it has any bearing whatsoever on the next general election.
That will be fought almost exclusively on what's left of the economy and a berk driving to a castle will be forgotten by 99% of voters0 -
"Our sting is oft not noted, but it is death ....."Peter_the_Punter said:'Tis not so deep as a well nor so wide as a church-door,
But 'tis enough, 'twill serve.'
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Well I suppose it might be relevant to the number of people that die of C19 and the health and safety of the public generally but compared to who wins the next election, maybe not so important.coach said:Is this relevant to anything? Cummings is clearly unpopular (no surprise) but I can't see it has any bearing whatsoever on the next general election.
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Maybe.coach said:Is this relevant to anything? Cummings is clearly unpopular (no surprise) but I can't see it has any bearing whatsoever on the next general election.
That will be fought almost exclusively on what's left of the economy and a berk driving to a castle will be forgotten by 99% of voters
The berk driving to a castle, thereby encouraging everyone else to break lockdown, thereby leading to a second peak... that might not be forgotten so easily.0 -
With the greatest of respect to Mike the YouGov poll seems a complete answer to this thread. During this outrage, fury and incandescence there has been a 2% swing towards the government.
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Prof getting a bit huffy. Perhaps he should stick to public pronouncements on oncology.
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Hmmm, time will tell.DavidL said:With the greatest of respect to Mike the YouGov poll seems a complete answer to this thread. During this outrage, fury and incandescence there has been a 2% swing towards the government.
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OK, you got me...The Iliad?Beibheirli_C said:
"Our sting is oft not noted, but it is death ....."Peter_the_Punter said:'Tis not so deep as a well nor so wide as a church-door,
But 'tis enough, 'twill serve.'0 -
Correct, I read that some on here think Boris won't be around for long, hard to disagree.Mexicanpete said:
That might be true, however the focus will be on the berk driving the country.coach said:Is this relevant to anything? Cummings is clearly unpopular (no surprise) but I can't see it has any bearing whatsoever on the next general election.
That will be fought almost exclusively on what's left of the economy and a berk driving to a castle will be forgotten by 99% of voters
The next few years are going to be painful, I can't think of anybody that I would like to see in charge - do you have any suggestions?0 -
What's striking is that views on Cummings split much more in party grounds than on leave/remain. Johnson's appeal was meant to reach beyond traditional Tory voters, especially with the older working class demographic that voted Leave and helped the Tories win seats in the North of England and the Midlands in 2019. But support for Cummings seems to be limited to the Tory bunker. In the long run the Tory's opponents are better off with Cummings still inside the Tory tent, pissing all over its occupants.0
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Not yet available outside of the US, but this looks very interesting:
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It is noticeable how often scientific mavericks are speaking outside their area of expertise. The one pronouncing on immunological "dark matter" is a neurologist who specialises in image analysis.Theuniondivvie said:Prof getting a bit huffy. Perhaps he should stick to public pronouncements on oncology.
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Really? The majority of people that have died are pretty old, a bloke driving north did very little to contribute to that and by 2024 he'll be long gone.Peter_the_Punter said:
Well I suppose it might be relevant to the number of people that die of C19 and the health and safety of the public generally but compared to who wins the next election, maybe not so important.coach said:Is this relevant to anything? Cummings is clearly unpopular (no surprise) but I can't see it has any bearing whatsoever on the next general election.
That will be fought almost exclusively on what's left of the economy and a berk driving to a castle will be forgotten by 99% of voters
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Meanwhile the Vine show on r2 this lunchtime features a fearless undercover investigation by a beeb reporter into - drum roll - ILLEGAL HAIRDRESSING. It is all getting a bit silly.1
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This is the piece that baffles me - there’s a vital debate about how on earth you cope equitably with the economic devastation on the horizon that the left seems mostly uninterested in...coach said:
Really? The majority of people that have died are pretty old, a bloke driving north did very little to contribute to that and by 2024 he'll be long gone.Peter_the_Punter said:
Well I suppose it might be relevant to the number of people that die of C19 and the health and safety of the public generally but compared to who wins the next election, maybe not so important.coach said:Is this relevant to anything? Cummings is clearly unpopular (no surprise) but I can't see it has any bearing whatsoever on the next general election.
That will be fought almost exclusively on what's left of the economy and a berk driving to a castle will be forgotten by 99% of voters
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Corbyn's gone, m8.Mexicanpete said:
That might be true, however the focus will be on the berk driving the country.coach said:Is this relevant to anything? Cummings is clearly unpopular (no surprise) but I can't see it has any bearing whatsoever on the next general election.
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I am not sure I follow you?BannedinnParis said:
Corbyn's gone, m8.Mexicanpete said:
That might be true, however the focus will be on the berk driving the country.coach said:Is this relevant to anything? Cummings is clearly unpopular (no surprise) but I can't see it has any bearing whatsoever on the next general election.
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Sikora has Imperial form...Theuniondivvie said:Prof getting a bit huffy. Perhaps he should stick to public pronouncements on oncology.
https://twitter.com/ProfKarolSikora/status/1267428899673300992?s=20
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karol_Sikora
I can confirm that Karol Sikora is not on the staff at Imperial and does not hold the title of honorary professor of oncology. This individual has been warned before by the college for making claims that he is employed by us, or associated with us. His views are very certainly not the views of the college.
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I would be more concerned if the public did back Cummings, as that might mean they would copy his lax adherence to the guidelines (if not the law).2
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I cannot remember to be honest. It is just there in the junk pile of facts and quotes that fill my head. "Dune" possibly? Bene Gesserit? Sadly I cannot go through my library at present so it is what it isPeter_the_Punter said:
OK, you got me...The Iliad?Beibheirli_C said:
"Our sting is oft not noted, but it is death ....."Peter_the_Punter said:'Tis not so deep as a well nor so wide as a church-door,
But 'tis enough, 'twill serve.'
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It really is incredible, they seem so intent on point scoring that they either can't or won't see the wood for the trees.Northstar said:
This is the piece that baffles me - there’s a vital debate about how on earth you cope equitably with the economic devastation on the horizon that the left seems mostly uninterested in...coach said:
Really? The majority of people that have died are pretty old, a bloke driving north did very little to contribute to that and by 2024 he'll be long gone.Peter_the_Punter said:
Well I suppose it might be relevant to the number of people that die of C19 and the health and safety of the public generally but compared to who wins the next election, maybe not so important.coach said:Is this relevant to anything? Cummings is clearly unpopular (no surprise) but I can't see it has any bearing whatsoever on the next general election.
That will be fought almost exclusively on what's left of the economy and a berk driving to a castle will be forgotten by 99% of voters
I'm genuinely surprised that so many people are oblivious to what we're about to encounter economy wise
I'm very interested to see how Starmer reacts, I see nothing in his history to suggest he has the foggiest idea. But when the furlough ends and millions finally realise they don't have jobs it is going to be carnage.0 -
This is why incumbency is not an assett at the next election, unless of course miracles can be worked between now and then.coach said:
It really is incredible, they seem so intent on point scoring that they either can't or won't see the wood for the trees.Northstar said:
This is the piece that baffles me - there’s a vital debate about how on earth you cope equitably with the economic devastation on the horizon that the left seems mostly uninterested in...coach said:
Really? The majority of people that have died are pretty old, a bloke driving north did very little to contribute to that and by 2024 he'll be long gone.Peter_the_Punter said:
Well I suppose it might be relevant to the number of people that die of C19 and the health and safety of the public generally but compared to who wins the next election, maybe not so important.coach said:Is this relevant to anything? Cummings is clearly unpopular (no surprise) but I can't see it has any bearing whatsoever on the next general election.
That will be fought almost exclusively on what's left of the economy and a berk driving to a castle will be forgotten by 99% of voters
I'm genuinely surprised that so many people are oblivious to what we're about to encounter economy wise
I'm very interested to see how Starmer reacts, I see nothing in his history to suggest he has the foggiest idea. But when the furlough ends and millions finally realise they don't have jobs it is going to be carnage.0 -
Raab's hair was surprisingly neat.IshmaelZ said:Meanwhile the Vine show on r2 this lunchtime features a fearless undercover investigation by a beeb reporter into - drum roll - ILLEGAL HAIRDRESSING. It is all getting a bit silly.
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Take comfort from the deaths of all those dispensable old people, and think how much money the state will save when it doesn't have to pay them, care for them and give them medical care.coach said:
Really? The majority of people that have died are pretty old, a bloke driving north did very little to contribute to that and by 2024 he'll be long gone.Peter_the_Punter said:
Well I suppose it might be relevant to the number of people that die of C19 and the health and safety of the public generally but compared to who wins the next election, maybe not so important.coach said:Is this relevant to anything? Cummings is clearly unpopular (no surprise) but I can't see it has any bearing whatsoever on the next general election.
That will be fought almost exclusively on what's left of the economy and a berk driving to a castle will be forgotten by 99% of voters
I'm genuinely surprised that so many people are oblivious to what we're about to encounter economy wise
Maybe that's why the stock markets are surging.2 -
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Antifa, in my opinion, falls into the same bracket as Democratic People's Republic. Not very democratic, and not a lot of good for people.Pulpstar said:I'm not saying Antifa should or shouldn't be designated a terrorist org but that they shouldn't simply because of their name falls at the first hurdle, as the USA has designated the "party of God"* a terrorist organisation, so on that logic the USA is 'pro fascist' because Antifa are designated terrorists, Trump must also be 'against God'.
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Oh Boris will be blamed, no doubt about that.Mexicanpete said:
This is why incumbency is not an assett at the next election, unless of course miracles can be worked between now and then.coach said:
It really is incredible, they seem so intent on point scoring that they either can't or won't see the wood for the trees.Northstar said:
This is the piece that baffles me - there’s a vital debate about how on earth you cope equitably with the economic devastation on the horizon that the left seems mostly uninterested in...coach said:
Really? The majority of people that have died are pretty old, a bloke driving north did very little to contribute to that and by 2024 he'll be long gone.Peter_the_Punter said:
Well I suppose it might be relevant to the number of people that die of C19 and the health and safety of the public generally but compared to who wins the next election, maybe not so important.coach said:Is this relevant to anything? Cummings is clearly unpopular (no surprise) but I can't see it has any bearing whatsoever on the next general election.
That will be fought almost exclusively on what's left of the economy and a berk driving to a castle will be forgotten by 99% of voters
I'm genuinely surprised that so many people are oblivious to what we're about to encounter economy wise
I'm very interested to see how Starmer reacts, I see nothing in his history to suggest he has the foggiest idea. But when the furlough ends and millions finally realise they don't have jobs it is going to be carnage.
But will Starmer offer a credible alternative?
And there are no miracles to be worked btw, unless you can suggest what might trigger them.0 -
Yes, well worth watching Starmer on the economic response.coach said:
It really is incredible, they seem so intent on point scoring that they either can't or won't see the wood for the trees.Northstar said:
This is the piece that baffles me - there’s a vital debate about how on earth you cope equitably with the economic devastation on the horizon that the left seems mostly uninterested in...coach said:
Really? The majority of people that have died are pretty old, a bloke driving north did very little to contribute to that and by 2024 he'll be long gone.Peter_the_Punter said:
Well I suppose it might be relevant to the number of people that die of C19 and the health and safety of the public generally but compared to who wins the next election, maybe not so important.coach said:Is this relevant to anything? Cummings is clearly unpopular (no surprise) but I can't see it has any bearing whatsoever on the next general election.
That will be fought almost exclusively on what's left of the economy and a berk driving to a castle will be forgotten by 99% of voters
I'm genuinely surprised that so many people are oblivious to what we're about to encounter economy wise
I'm very interested to see how Starmer reacts, I see nothing in his history to suggest he has the foggiest idea. But when the furlough ends and millions finally realise they don't have jobs it is going to be carnage.
There’s a massive space opening up off the back of both Brexit and Covid for a bigger state and massive economic intervention. It’s opening up quickly so a skilful opposition could influence how it develops as any good or popular idea pitched by Labour would be quickly implemented by the govt.
This, and the implications stemming from it for taxes, public finance, and employment, are likely to be the terrain of the next election. So far Starmer has had nothing remotely interesting to say on it but perhaps he and Annalise Dodds are hard at work planning away...0 -
In pure anecdote news was talking to my parents yesterday and they mentioned that the first people to get Coronavirus in their sleepy town of three thousand or so was two people who had shortly returned from Cheltenham Festival.0
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Is This the Worst Year in Modern American History?
https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2020/05/1968-and-2020-lessons-from-americas-worst-year-so-far/612415/0 -
On voting intention though just a 1% swing from the Tories to Labour since GE19
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The US, Spanish, Mexican and French governments though still rated worseScott_xP said:0 -
The roll call of 60,000 excess deaths in the UK is drowned out by the hoopla that the Conservatives remain 10 points ahead in the polls.Chris said:
Take comfort from the deaths of all those dispensable old people, and think how much money the state will save when it doesn't have to pay them, care for them and give them medical care.coach said:
Really? The majority of people that have died are pretty old, a bloke driving north did very little to contribute to that and by 2024 he'll be long gone.Peter_the_Punter said:
Well I suppose it might be relevant to the number of people that die of C19 and the health and safety of the public generally but compared to who wins the next election, maybe not so important.coach said:Is this relevant to anything? Cummings is clearly unpopular (no surprise) but I can't see it has any bearing whatsoever on the next general election.
That will be fought almost exclusively on what's left of the economy and a berk driving to a castle will be forgotten by 99% of voters
I'm genuinely surprised that so many people are oblivious to what we're about to encounter economy wise
Maybe that's why the stock markets are surging.
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This year's GE is gonna be tight.3
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Wow. This guy always struck as the ultimate Panglossian and his tweets garnered significant publicity because of it. Is he actually for real or some kind of crank?Nigelb said:
Sikora has Imperial form...Theuniondivvie said:Prof getting a bit huffy. Perhaps he should stick to public pronouncements on oncology.
https://twitter.com/ProfKarolSikora/status/1267428899673300992?s=20
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karol_Sikora
I can confirm that Karol Sikora is not on the staff at Imperial and does not hold the title of honorary professor of oncology. This individual has been warned before by the college for making claims that he is employed by us, or associated with us. His views are very certainly not the views of the college.
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So it seems that all the old folk that voted to Leave and for Boris have died of Covid. I'm off to Betfair to get a price on Labour winning in 2024 and us rejoining the EU by 2025.
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Prof Sikora getting it in the neck for straying from the strict lockdown orthodoxy?Nigelb said:
Sikora has Imperial form...Theuniondivvie said:Prof getting a bit huffy. Perhaps he should stick to public pronouncements on oncology.
https://twitter.com/ProfKarolSikora/status/1267428899673300992?s=20
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karol_Sikora
I can confirm that Karol Sikora is not on the staff at Imperial and does not hold the title of honorary professor of oncology. This individual has been warned before by the college for making claims that he is employed by us, or associated with us. His views are very certainly not the views of the college.
— Prof Sir Roy Anderson, Rector of the Imperial College London
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Hmmm.DavidL said:With the greatest of respect to Mike the YouGov poll seems a complete answer to this thread. During this outrage, fury and incandescence there has been a 2% swing towards the government.
Next.
Compared to polls before the Cummings saga started, the swing is 2% to Labour - and that's if the YouGov poll is correct and all the other polls follow.
Ultimately it's pointless to even think about minor changes so far from an election. What will worry the Tories is that they had leads in the mid 20s before Starmer took over, and now we've seen that drop to approx 5% in a few polls. Even 10% is a big drop.
People might have forgotten Cummings in 4 years, but given that we're facing an economic disaster as things unwind, and we're sailing closer to the wind in terms of a second peak than most of our neighbours, Boris would clearly prefer to still have that large buffer.
There will be many ups and downs between now and 2024, but the "honeymoon Tories" have already lost faith, and it's going to take a lot to gain that back.
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Hardly, the Tories voteshare up 1% on GE19 to 45%coach said:So it seems that all the old folk that voted to Leave and for Boris have died of Covid. I'm off to Betfair to get a price on Labour winning in 2024 and us rejoining the EU by 2025.
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If there is a GE this year, something so catastrophic will have happened, that I don't think it will be tight at all.brokenwheel said:This year's GE is gonna be tight.
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Worse than the civil war? I don’t think so.Nigelb said:Is This the Worst Year in Modern American History?
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I suspect not. We are already post Cummings and any effect is going to fade away. Let's face it there is plenty in the government's performance in recent weeks to get cross about without him.Mexicanpete said:
Hmmm, time will tell.DavidL said:With the greatest of respect to Mike the YouGov poll seems a complete answer to this thread. During this outrage, fury and incandescence there has been a 2% swing towards the government.
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Chris said:
Take comfort from the deaths of all those dispensable old people, and think how much money the state will save when it doesn't have to pay them, care for them and give them medical care.coach said:
Really? The majority of people that have died are pretty old, a bloke driving north did very little to contribute to that and by 2024 he'll be long gone.Peter_the_Punter said:
Well I suppose it might be relevant to the number of people that die of C19 and the health and safety of the public generally but compared to who wins the next election, maybe not so important.coach said:Is this relevant to anything? Cummings is clearly unpopular (no surprise) but I can't see it has any bearing whatsoever on the next general election.
That will be fought almost exclusively on what's left of the economy and a berk driving to a castle will be forgotten by 99% of voters
I'm genuinely surprised that so many people are oblivious to what we're about to encounter economy wise
Maybe that's why the stock markets are surging.</blockquote
We can all tug at the emotional heartstrings.
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Irony? It's a bit like Coppery or Aluminiumy right?HYUFD said:
Hardly, the Tories voteshare up 1% on GE19 to 45%coach said:So it seems that all the old folk that voted to Leave and for Boris have died of Covid. I'm off to Betfair to get a price on Labour winning in 2024 and us rejoining the EU by 2025.
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Spain has more deaths per million than the UK, the US more deaths overallFishing said:0 -
NHS England numbers out - 108
Lowest first day, Monday or not, in quite a while - 13
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I still stand by the notion that time will tell. The government has to manage a whole heap of trouble coming down the track. If it shakes down in their favour, happy days. If it does not, Cummings, PPE, testing and a whole raft of other potential negatives will bite them hard.DavidL said:
I suspect not. We are already post Cummings and any effect is going to fade away. Let's face it there is plenty in the government's performance in recent weeks to get cross about without him.Mexicanpete said:
Hmmm, time will tell.DavidL said:With the greatest of respect to Mike the YouGov poll seems a complete answer to this thread. During this outrage, fury and incandescence there has been a 2% swing towards the government.
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How's the 2021 Unionist majority going?HYUFD said:
Hardly, the Tories voteshare up 1% on GE19 to 45%coach said:So it seems that all the old folk that voted to Leave and for Boris have died of Covid. I'm off to Betfair to get a price on Labour winning in 2024 and us rejoining the EU by 2025.
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You should watch the Epstein documentary series on Netflix. very shocking.HYUFD said:
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Dominic Cummings is still here so those bets have been settled.0
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Mexicanpete said:
If there is a GE this year, something so catastrophic will have happened, that I don't think it will be tight at all.brokenwheel said:This year's GE is gonna be tight.
Were such an election to occur, I doubt that the Tories would end up more than 5% ahead - a Hung Parliament pretty likely.Mexicanpete said:
If there is a GE this year, something so catastrophic will have happened, that I don't think it will be tight at all.brokenwheel said:This year's GE is gonna be tight.
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Presumably that isn't "modern"!!Fysics_Teacher said:
Worse than the civil war? I don’t think so.Nigelb said:Is This the Worst Year in Modern American History?
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Better than the chances of a Labour victory at the momentTheuniondivvie said:
How's the 2021 Unionist majority going?HYUFD said:
Hardly, the Tories voteshare up 1% on GE19 to 45%coach said:So it seems that all the old folk that voted to Leave and for Boris have died of Covid. I'm off to Betfair to get a price on Labour winning in 2024 and us rejoining the EU by 2025.
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Well I knew he had a major crush on John Lennon but..Slackbladder said:0 -
"At least we're not as bad as the US."HYUFD said:
The US, Spanish, Mexican and French governments though still rated worseScott_xP said:
Can any one single phrase sum up the times we live in as well as that? Both the poverty of ambition in defending a position that is remarkably poor, and the degree to which the US has fallen from a position of leadership to one of derision and contempt.0 -
Unless 41 Tory MPs died this year and the opposition won every by election, there is zero chance of an election this year with an 80 seat Tory majorityjustin124 said:Mexicanpete said:
If there is a GE this year, something so catastrophic will have happened, that I don't think it will be tight at all.brokenwheel said:This year's GE is gonna be tight.
Were such an election to occur, I doubt that the Tories would end up more than 5% ahead - a Hung Parliament pretty likely.Mexicanpete said:
If there is a GE this year, something so catastrophic will have happened, that I don't think it will be tight at all.brokenwheel said:This year's GE is gonna be tight.
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Oddly enough the Spanish media don’t agree. They reckon the figures are 58.04 UK and 57.95 Spain. Not sure where they get their numbers from but it’s all a bit silly having a pissing competition over this.Gallowgate said:
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Nothing is ever a “zero chance”.HYUFD said:
Unless 41 Tory MPs died this year and the opposition won every by election, there is zero chance of an election this year with an 80 seat Tory majorityjustin124 said:Mexicanpete said:
If there is a GE this year, something so catastrophic will have happened, that I don't think it will be tight at all.brokenwheel said:This year's GE is gonna be tight.
Were such an election to occur, I doubt that the Tories would end up more than 5% ahead - a Hung Parliament pretty likely.Mexicanpete said:
If there is a GE this year, something so catastrophic will have happened, that I don't think it will be tight at all.brokenwheel said:This year's GE is gonna be tight.
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All American history (as in history of the USA) is modern.TheWhiteRabbit said:
Presumably that isn't "modern"!!Fysics_Teacher said:
Worse than the civil war? I don’t think so.Nigelb said:Is This the Worst Year in Modern American History?
https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2020/05/1968-and-2020-lessons-from-americas-worst-year-so-far/612415/
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If such an election were to occur, the Tory party would have imploded was my point.justin124 said:Mexicanpete said:
If there is a GE this year, something so catastrophic will have happened, that I don't think it will be tight at all.brokenwheel said:This year's GE is gonna be tight.
Were such an election to occur, I doubt that the Tories would end up more than 5% ahead - a Hung Parliament pretty likely.Mexicanpete said:
If there is a GE this year, something so catastrophic will have happened, that I don't think it will be tight at all.brokenwheel said:This year's GE is gonna be tight.
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If Boris has opened too early and a second wave sweeps out of control, who knows? Let's hope not nonetheless.HYUFD said:
Unless 41 Tory MPs died this year and the opposition won every by election, there is zero chance of an election this year with an 80 seat Tory majorityjustin124 said:Mexicanpete said:
If there is a GE this year, something so catastrophic will have happened, that I don't think it will be tight at all.brokenwheel said:This year's GE is gonna be tight.
Were such an election to occur, I doubt that the Tories would end up more than 5% ahead - a Hung Parliament pretty likely.Mexicanpete said:
If there is a GE this year, something so catastrophic will have happened, that I don't think it will be tight at all.brokenwheel said:This year's GE is gonna be tight.
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That poll is already suggesting Boris made the right decision. Some critics misjudged how much folk cared about Cummings and how it would affect future voting. Sure it was the only story in the news but people were getting ludicrously carried away. Less than a week ago Stark Dawning claimed it was the biggest news story of the last 100 years!!!HYUFD said:
Hardly, the Tories voteshare up 1% on GE19 to 45%coach said:So it seems that all the old folk that voted to Leave and for Boris have died of Covid. I'm off to Betfair to get a price on Labour winning in 2024 and us rejoining the EU by 2025.
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No, the success or failure of the Tories will be determined by how they address those challenges which are immense and might overwhelm any government. Indeed, I would say the probability of being overwhelmed is high, certainly above evens.Mexicanpete said:
I still stand by the notion that time will tell. The government has to manage a whole heap of trouble coming down the track. If it shakes down in their favour, happy days. If it does not, Cummings, PPE, testing and a whole raft of other potential negatives will bite them hard.DavidL said:
I suspect not. We are already post Cummings and any effect is going to fade away. Let's face it there is plenty in the government's performance in recent weeks to get cross about without him.Mexicanpete said:
Hmmm, time will tell.DavidL said:With the greatest of respect to Mike the YouGov poll seems a complete answer to this thread. During this outrage, fury and incandescence there has been a 2% swing towards the government.
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All this episode has shown, once again, is how wide the gap is between the media, especially social media, and the country at large.0 -
Is this really new, or is it just the same one that has been going for about a year now and which can't be stamped out in the usual way (Congo is pretty darned good at this stuff) because there is a civil war going on and they are killing the health workersAndrew said:0 -
If you throw a dart at a dart board your chances of hitting any individual point is zero.Gallowgate said:
Nothing is ever a “zero chance”.HYUFD said:
Unless 41 Tory MPs died this year and the opposition won every by election, there is zero chance of an election this year with an 80 seat Tory majorityjustin124 said:Mexicanpete said:
If there is a GE this year, something so catastrophic will have happened, that I don't think it will be tight at all.brokenwheel said:This year's GE is gonna be tight.
Were such an election to occur, I doubt that the Tories would end up more than 5% ahead - a Hung Parliament pretty likely.Mexicanpete said:
If there is a GE this year, something so catastrophic will have happened, that I don't think it will be tight at all.brokenwheel said:This year's GE is gonna be tight.
Zero chances do happen, in fact they happen all the time.
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Off topic: does anyone know where I would buy gravel like the following pic? I’ve been to 4 garden centres today and nobody has a clue. Probably caught COVID in the process.
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The fact that after 10 days of the biggest smear job and witch-hunt in British history the Tories still lead by 10 points with YouGov tells you all need to know - the public are not stupid!2
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Also, at least the right side won the Civil War. No idea where the current nightmare is going to end up.TheWhiteRabbit said:
Presumably that isn't "modern"!!Fysics_Teacher said:
Worse than the civil war? I don’t think so.Nigelb said:Is This the Worst Year in Modern American History?
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The US, Spanish, Mexican and French governments though still rated worseScott_xP said:
Do these numbers mean anything in isolation? What is the baseline for approval of government actions in general?
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Why do you cling uselessly to stats such as that? Anyone who can project trends just a few days forward can see that soon the UK will be worse than even Spain.HYUFD said:
Spain has more deaths per million than the UK, the US more deaths overallFishing said:0 -
I know exactly where I'd go, but it is just outside of Washington DC. Probably not too helpful for you.Gallowgate said:Off topic: does anyone know where I would buy gravel like the following pic? I’ve been to 4 garden centres today and nobody has a clue. Probably caught COVID in the process.
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Oi, wotchit! I'm 71 myself and a bit touchy about such casual indifference to the 'pretty old'.coach said:
Really? The majority of people that have died are pretty old, a bloke driving north did very little to contribute to that and by 2024 he'll be long gone.Peter_the_Punter said:
Well I suppose it might be relevant to the number of people that die of C19 and the health and safety of the public generally but compared to who wins the next election, maybe not so important.coach said:Is this relevant to anything? Cummings is clearly unpopular (no surprise) but I can't see it has any bearing whatsoever on the next general election.
That will be fought almost exclusively on what's left of the economy and a berk driving to a castle will be forgotten by 99% of voters
I'm genuinely surprised that so many people are oblivious to what we're about to encounter economy wise
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It is to the Tory party’s shame that Hunt was always the better choice.coach said:
Correct, I read that some on here think Boris won't be around for long, hard to disagree.Mexicanpete said:
That might be true, however the focus will be on the berk driving the country.coach said:Is this relevant to anything? Cummings is clearly unpopular (no surprise) but I can't see it has any bearing whatsoever on the next general election.
That will be fought almost exclusively on what's left of the economy and a berk driving to a castle will be forgotten by 99% of voters
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Doctors in Italy claim the coronavirus has weakened and become a shadow of the disease that rapidly spread around the world.
Italian medics say the infection - which has killed 370,000 worldwide - is much less lethal than it was and 'no longer clinically exists'.
Patients are showing much smaller amounts of the virus in their system, compared to samples taken during the peak of the crisis in March and April, they said.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8376105/Is-Covid-19-really-potent.html
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Of course. This particular piece of bad news was craftily buried beneath prime ministerial assurances that the pandemic was over, lockdown was finished with, and we can all do whatever we like.DavidL said:With the greatest of respect to Mike the YouGov poll seems a complete answer to this thread. During this outrage, fury and incandescence there has been a 2% swing towards the government.
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Perhaps David L would like to come back when the death rate goes up again and the mood changes once more.
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As you've only got 3 bits, could you just chuck it and get a non matching style?Gallowgate said:Off topic: does anyone know where I would buy gravel like the following pic? I’ve been to 4 garden centres today and nobody has a clue. Probably caught COVID in the process.
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Sure - but come on!?Gallowgate said:
Nothing is ever a “zero chance”.HYUFD said:
Unless 41 Tory MPs died this year and the opposition won every by election, there is zero chance of an election this year with an 80 seat Tory majorityjustin124 said:Mexicanpete said:
If there is a GE this year, something so catastrophic will have happened, that I don't think it will be tight at all.brokenwheel said:This year's GE is gonna be tight.
Were such an election to occur, I doubt that the Tories would end up more than 5% ahead - a Hung Parliament pretty likely.Mexicanpete said:
If there is a GE this year, something so catastrophic will have happened, that I don't think it will be tight at all.brokenwheel said:This year's GE is gonna be tight.
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Cromwell fan eh?OnlyLivingBoy said:
Also, at least the right side won the Civil War. No idea where the current nightmare is going to end up.TheWhiteRabbit said:
Presumably that isn't "modern"!!Fysics_Teacher said:
Worse than the civil war? I don’t think so.Nigelb said:Is This the Worst Year in Modern American History?
https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2020/05/1968-and-2020-lessons-from-americas-worst-year-so-far/612415/1 -
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The public don't care about this anymore. It's a joke now.1 -
I know it's not the same as hacks saying mildly disagreeable things about you, but I imagine that the several hundred folk burned or drowned or hanged after being accused of being witches might disagree on the biggest smear job and witch-hunt in British history thing.BluestBlue said:The fact that after 10 days of the biggest smear job and witch-hunt in British history the Tories still lead by 10 points with YouGov tells you all need to know - the public are not stupid!
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Is Officer Chauvin "Radical Right"?FrancisUrquhart said:Trump is up and at em...
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Not in the circumstances. Hunt was a far worse choice.IanB2 said:
It is to the Tory party’s shame that Hunt was always the better choice.coach said:
Correct, I read that some on here think Boris won't be around for long, hard to disagree.Mexicanpete said:
That might be true, however the focus will be on the berk driving the country.coach said:Is this relevant to anything? Cummings is clearly unpopular (no surprise) but I can't see it has any bearing whatsoever on the next general election.
That will be fought almost exclusively on what's left of the economy and a berk driving to a castle will be forgotten by 99% of voters
The next few years are going to be painful, I can't think of anybody that I would like to see in charge - do you have any suggestions?
You really think Hunt would have got a better (from our perspective) deal like Boris got?
You really think Hunt would have got an 80 seat majority.
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I think I said it was the biggest political story of the last hundred years. Literally everyone in the country has been impacted by Covid-19 to a highly significant degree. Cummings's antics are relevant to everyone in a way that the behaviour of politicians never are.Brom said:
That poll is already suggesting Boris made the right decision. Some critics misjudged how much folk cared about Cummings and how it would affect future voting. Sure it was the only story in the news but people were getting ludicrously carried away. Less than a week ago Stark Dawning claimed it was the biggest news story of the last 100 years!!!HYUFD said:
Hardly, the Tories voteshare up 1% on GE19 to 45%coach said:So it seems that all the old folk that voted to Leave and for Boris have died of Covid. I'm off to Betfair to get a price on Labour winning in 2024 and us rejoining the EU by 2025.
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https://unherd.com/2020/06/covid-has-exposed-america-as-a-failed-state/?tl_inbound=1&tl_groups[0]=18743&tl_period_type=3LostPassword said:
"At least we're not as bad as the US."HYUFD said:
The US, Spanish, Mexican and French governments though still rated worseScott_xP said:
Can any one single phrase sum up the times we live in as well as that? Both the poverty of ambition in defending a position that is remarkably poor, and the degree to which the US has fallen from a position of leadership to one of derision and contempt.0 -
I have been extremely critical of the government's approach to the relaxation of the lockdown and the chances we are now taking. But the irrational frothing about Cummings had very little to do with that.ClippP said:
Of course. This particular piece of bad news was craftily buried beneath prime ministerial assurances that the pandemic was over, lockdown was finished with, and we can all do whatever we like.DavidL said:With the greatest of respect to Mike the YouGov poll seems a complete answer to this thread. During this outrage, fury and incandescence there has been a 2% swing towards the government.
Next.
Perhaps David L would like to come back when the death rate goes up again and the mood changes once more.
Any credibility the Conservatives once had is now irretrievably lost to them.0
