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Inevitably the first UK death from the corona virus is a major milestone for the country as it faces an ever expanding total of people who have been affected.
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Dont want to be first on this thread!0
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Second. Please, after you..0
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On topic, as the situation becomes more serious it will also become more normal.
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I think that the running total will always be news but not necessarily front page. What we have seen over the last few days is the impossibility of keeping a country that moves around as much as we do contained for any period of time. Far too many people still seem to think that visiting Italy or even Iran is a good idea and then come back here.2
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I noticed on Prime Time (on RTÉ) last night that they had a big number 13 up in the studio - the number of confirmed cases in the Republic. It reminded me of reading about one of the US TV networks doing something similar with American casualty figures during the Vietnam War.
I wonder whether any of the newspapers have considered the visual impact of printing the number of confirmed UK cases and deaths in the same way on their front page each day.0 -
Mr. Password, I'm sure they have. It's their business to sell papers, although we must hope they report in a responsible fashion.0
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I’m bored of the Shanghai sniffle already.
The public would be advised to wash their hands then wean itself off disaster porn news and enjoy life again.
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If they were playing it down or, worse, covering it up then there'd be a bigger outcry.Morris_Dancer said:Mr. Password, I'm sure they have. It's their business to sell papers, although we must hope they report in a responsible fashion.
The dissenting voices are fading as the gravity of this sinks in.0 -
Mr. Rose, aye. Even with the best will in the world, getting the reporting right won't be easy.0
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I can think of some ninety somethings that would make the front page if they snuff it.0
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No-one ever argued this wasn't serious. The debate has been about whether this will be catastrophic ("millions of Brits will die") or whether we are still within an order of magnitude of a bad annual flu epidemic. It is still too early to tell.Mysticrose said:
If they were playing it down or, worse, covering it up then there'd be a bigger outcry.Morris_Dancer said:Mr. Password, I'm sure they have. It's their business to sell papers, although we must hope they report in a responsible fashion.
The dissenting voices are fading as the gravity of this sinks in.1 -
Anyone tempted to dismiss the effects on young people will find this a rather graphic wake-up. The first British sufferer, aged 25, describes what it felt like:
"I was feeling achy," says Connor "I just wanted to curl up into a ball and I had ear problems and sinus problems where it felt like there was a balloon being blown up in my face. And that was probably the worst symptom. It really bothered me.
"I also had a raking cough. It was terrible. And it was happening so much, I lost my voice. Sometimes, I couldn't make any sound at all. Sometimes, I sounded like a frog."
He actually felt like he was recovering from the flu and was feeling optimistic about going back to work when one morning he woke up struggling to breathe.
"It scared me because breathing is a necessity of life, like if you have the flu, you really feel like you're going to die, but you're really not. But when your lungs get affected, that's where it scared me. And I couldn't take a full breath. And the breaths I did take, it sounded like I was breathing through a bag. It was very crackly, and I could only take half breaths. If I walked to the kitchen, for instance, I'd be breathing really shallow and really fast."
In case we didn't know, it's clearly a bloody nasty virus
https://news.sky.com/story/fighting-coronavirus-one-of-the-first-british-sufferers-describes-his-ordeal-11950631
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This splendid essay didn't make my day. Is there an apocalyptic horseman representing wilful ignorance?
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/04/opinion/coronavirus-science.html0 -
Agreed. It's a bit of tightrope. I think they're being okay at the moment. As are the Gov't now. The learned Prof, Chris Whitty, seems to be rather a good thing https://www.theguardian.com/society/2020/mar/04/prof-chris-whitty-the-expert-we-need-in-the-coronavirus-crisisMorris_Dancer said:Mr. Rose, aye. Even with the best will in the world, getting the reporting right won't be easy.
p.s. 'Ms' by the way0 -
Ms. Rose, ahem sorry.0
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Yes, I think we already know but thanks for the input.Mysticrose said:Anyone tempted to dismiss the effects on young people will find this a rather graphic wake-up. The first British sufferer, aged 25, describes what it felt like:
"I was feeling achy," says Connor "I just wanted to curl up into a ball and I had ear problems and sinus problems where it felt like there was a balloon being blown up in my face. And that was probably the worst symptom. It really bothered me.
"I also had a raking cough. It was terrible. And it was happening so much, I lost my voice. Sometimes, I couldn't make any sound at all. Sometimes, I sounded like a frog."
He actually felt like he was recovering from the flu and was feeling optimistic about going back to work when one morning he woke up struggling to breathe.
"It scared me because breathing is a necessity of life, like if you have the flu, you really feel like you're going to die, but you're really not. But when your lungs get affected, that's where it scared me. And I couldn't take a full breath. And the breaths I did take, it sounded like I was breathing through a bag. It was very crackly, and I could only take half breaths. If I walked to the kitchen, for instance, I'd be breathing really shallow and really fast."
In case we didn't know, it's clearly a bloody nasty virus
https://news.sky.com/story/fighting-coronavirus-one-of-the-first-british-sufferers-describes-his-ordeal-119506310 -
surprised nobody has discussed the Hong Kong research out today:
'Leung says: “We estimate the symptomatic fatality rate is 1.4%”
“There is still one remaining uncertainty - out of those infected, what is the proportion who show symptoms?”
Differences in this proportion would shift the rate by about 0.1% - which is still a lot of people.'
as reported in the Guardian liveblog
1.4% would match the range you could imagine the S Korea figures heading towards. not sure why they don't match the Hubei figures.0 -
Not that people realise it but “normal” flu is a bloody nasty virus as well.5
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Well I for one had never read what it's like to have it, the symptoms and effects, and this was from the first Briton to contract the virus.Martin_Kinsella said:
Yes, I think we already know but thanks for the input.Mysticrose said:Anyone tempted to dismiss the effects on young people will find this a rather graphic wake-up. The first British sufferer, aged 25, describes what it felt like:
"I was feeling achy," says Connor "I just wanted to curl up into a ball and I had ear problems and sinus problems where it felt like there was a balloon being blown up in my face. And that was probably the worst symptom. It really bothered me.
"I also had a raking cough. It was terrible. And it was happening so much, I lost my voice. Sometimes, I couldn't make any sound at all. Sometimes, I sounded like a frog."
He actually felt like he was recovering from the flu and was feeling optimistic about going back to work when one morning he woke up struggling to breathe.
"It scared me because breathing is a necessity of life, like if you have the flu, you really feel like you're going to die, but you're really not. But when your lungs get affected, that's where it scared me. And I couldn't take a full breath. And the breaths I did take, it sounded like I was breathing through a bag. It was very crackly, and I could only take half breaths. If I walked to the kitchen, for instance, I'd be breathing really shallow and really fast."
In case we didn't know, it's clearly a bloody nasty virus
https://news.sky.com/story/fighting-coronavirus-one-of-the-first-british-sufferers-describes-his-ordeal-11950631
But if you knew all that then already, wow, then I've clearly missed on here before how brilliant you are. I shall really look out for your posts in future and ensure I screen print them to guide me through life.0 -
The public's supposed hatred of the Duchess of Sussex may be a little overstated:
https://twitter.com/OldBlackHack/status/12356861949498736650 -
This has been reported precisely as I expected it was going to be.0
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16 daily deaths in the Uk in 2017 from suicide.
Doubt covid will match that.
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Yes it is indeed. I've had it twice and it was really horrible. The first time wiped me out for 3 weeks and I was still feeling the effects on my lungs 3 months later.alex_ said:Not that people realise it but “normal” flu is a bloody nasty virus as well.
Coronavirus is worse and around 34x more deadly.0 -
But it kills people. Of course it’s a nasty virus. Not everyone who gets it will experience those symptoms though.Mysticrose said:
Well I for one had never read what it's like to have it, the symptoms and effects, and this was from the first Briton to contract the virus.Martin_Kinsella said:
Yes, I think we already know but thanks for the input.Mysticrose said:Anyone tempted to dismiss the effects on young people will find this a rather graphic wake-up. The first British sufferer, aged 25, describes what it felt like:
"I was feeling achy," says Connor "I just wanted to curl up into a ball and I had ear problems and sinus problems where it felt like there was a balloon being blown up in my face. And that was probably the worst symptom. It really bothered me.
"I also had a raking cough. It was terrible. And it was happening so much, I lost my voice. Sometimes, I couldn't make any sound at all. Sometimes, I sounded like a frog."
He actually felt like he was recovering from the flu and was feeling optimistic about going back to work when one morning he woke up struggling to breathe.
"It scared me because breathing is a necessity of life, like if you have the flu, you really feel like you're going to die, but you're really not. But when your lungs get affected, that's where it scared me. And I couldn't take a full breath. And the breaths I did take, it sounded like I was breathing through a bag. It was very crackly, and I could only take half breaths. If I walked to the kitchen, for instance, I'd be breathing really shallow and really fast."
In case we didn't know, it's clearly a bloody nasty virus
https://news.sky.com/story/fighting-coronavirus-one-of-the-first-british-sufferers-describes-his-ordeal-11950631
But if you knew all that then already, wow, then I've clearly missed on here before how brilliant you are. I shall really look out for your posts in future and ensure I screen print them to guide me through life.1 -
In Russell Brand has backed Ed Miliband and the Tories should be worried news:
https://twitter.com/OwenJones84/status/1235545271267975168
It's reassuring in these dark times to have the consistency and reliability of Owen Jones being a plank.4 -
Relieved to see the Telegraph has a story on "Why the Coronavirus could be ruining your hands - How to combat the drying, ageing effects of extreme hand washing." That certainly gets to the nub of it.2
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Yes. Like the flu.Mysticrose said:Anyone tempted to dismiss the effects on young people will find this a rather graphic wake-up. The first British sufferer, aged 25, describes what it felt like:
"I was feeling achy," says Connor "I just wanted to curl up into a ball and I had ear problems and sinus problems where it felt like there was a balloon being blown up in my face. And that was probably the worst symptom. It really bothered me.
"I also had a raking cough. It was terrible. And it was happening so much, I lost my voice. Sometimes, I couldn't make any sound at all. Sometimes, I sounded like a frog."
He actually felt like he was recovering from the flu and was feeling optimistic about going back to work when one morning he woke up struggling to breathe.
"It scared me because breathing is a necessity of life, like if you have the flu, you really feel like you're going to die, but you're really not. But when your lungs get affected, that's where it scared me. And I couldn't take a full breath. And the breaths I did take, it sounded like I was breathing through a bag. It was very crackly, and I could only take half breaths. If I walked to the kitchen, for instance, I'd be breathing really shallow and really fast."
In case we didn't know, it's clearly a bloody nasty virus
https://news.sky.com/story/fighting-coronavirus-one-of-the-first-british-sufferers-describes-his-ordeal-11950631
The problem is morons who think every time they have a few sniffles they have the flu, the flu is not a common cold.4 -
Not that I like waging money over something so macabre, but do you want to bet on that? £10 to charity by whoever wins?TGOHF666 said:16 daily deaths in the Uk in 2017 from suicide.
Doubt covid will match that.1 -
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I love this “my country is better than your country at fighting coronavirus” schtick.
It’s like an antiviral Olympics.0 -
I doubt covid will kill many people in 2017Mysticrose said:
Not that I like waging money over something so macabre, but do you want to bet on that? £10 to charity by whoever wins?TGOHF666 said:16 daily deaths in the Uk in 2017 from suicide.
Doubt covid will match that.0 -
I liked Maciej Ceglowski's suggestion that you should use the name to communicate a threat vector, for example Filthy Hands Syndrome.matt said:
Wuflu works better.TGOHF666 said:I’m bored of the Shanghai sniffle already.
The public would be advised to wash their hands then wean itself off disaster porn news and enjoy life again.1 -
although in this case he's right that global overheating is urgent and more serious than coronavirusMorris_Dancer said:In Russell Brand has backed Ed Miliband and the Tories should be worried news:
https://twitter.com/OwenJones84/status/1235545271267975168
It's reassuring in these dark times to have the consistency and reliability of Owen Jones being a plank.0 -
It's 34x more deadly than the flu and the transmission rate (R0) is much higher.Philip_Thompson said:
Yes. Like the flu.Mysticrose said:Anyone tempted to dismiss the effects on young people will find this a rather graphic wake-up. The first British sufferer, aged 25, describes what it felt like:
"I was feeling achy," says Connor "I just wanted to curl up into a ball and I had ear problems and sinus problems where it felt like there was a balloon being blown up in my face. And that was probably the worst symptom. It really bothered me.
"I also had a raking cough. It was terrible. And it was happening so much, I lost my voice. Sometimes, I couldn't make any sound at all. Sometimes, I sounded like a frog."
He actually felt like he was recovering from the flu and was feeling optimistic about going back to work when one morning he woke up struggling to breathe.
"It scared me because breathing is a necessity of life, like if you have the flu, you really feel like you're going to die, but you're really not. But when your lungs get affected, that's where it scared me. And I couldn't take a full breath. And the breaths I did take, it sounded like I was breathing through a bag. It was very crackly, and I could only take half breaths. If I walked to the kitchen, for instance, I'd be breathing really shallow and really fast."
In case we didn't know, it's clearly a bloody nasty virus
https://news.sky.com/story/fighting-coronavirus-one-of-the-first-british-sufferers-describes-his-ordeal-11950631
Far be it from me to point you to science and away from your normalcy bias but this makes a good, scientific, read:
https://www.livescience.com/new-coronavirus-compare-with-flu.html
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You think the person’s account sounds significantly worse than what you experienced?Mysticrose said:
Yes it is indeed. I've had it twice and it was really horrible. The first time wiped me out for 3 weeks and I was still feeling the effects on my lungs 3 months later.alex_ said:Not that people realise it but “normal” flu is a bloody nasty virus as well.
Coronavirus is worse and around 34x more deadly.
I think your comparison of death rates is probably wrong and skewed by vaccination. 26,000 died of flu in 1989. At 0.1% that’s 26 million people contracting it.0 -
The vast majority of Britons don’t. But, for example, there’s a sufficient Iranian diaspora here that there will always be people shuttling between Iran and Britain most days. And, for the rest, we are a service driven economy that does a lot of business around the world.DavidL said:I think that the running total will always be news but not necessarily front page. What we have seen over the last few days is the impossibility of keeping a country that moves around as much as we do contained for any period of time. Far too many people still seem to think that visiting Italy or even Iran is a good idea and then come back here.
It’s very hard to stop unless you lock down all the ports and airports (and the Chunnel) to essential goods only.0 -
Yes I do.alex_ said:
You think the person’s account sounds significantly worse than what you experienced?Mysticrose said:
Yes it is indeed. I've had it twice and it was really horrible. The first time wiped me out for 3 weeks and I was still feeling the effects on my lungs 3 months later.alex_ said:Not that people realise it but “normal” flu is a bloody nasty virus as well.
Coronavirus is worse and around 34x more deadly.
I think your comparison of death rates is probably wrong and skewed by vaccination. 26,000 died of flu in 1989. At 0.1% that’s 26 million people contracting it.
No, it's the science
https://www.livescience.com/new-coronavirus-compare-with-flu.html
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Indeed. “Are you okay?” “It’s just a bit of flu.”Philip_Thompson said:
Yes. Like the flu.Mysticrose said:Anyone tempted to dismiss the effects on young people will find this a rather graphic wake-up. The first British sufferer, aged 25, describes what it felt like:
"I was feeling achy," says Connor "I just wanted to curl up into a ball and I had ear problems and sinus problems where it felt like there was a balloon being blown up in my face. And that was probably the worst symptom. It really bothered me.
"I also had a raking cough. It was terrible. And it was happening so much, I lost my voice. Sometimes, I couldn't make any sound at all. Sometimes, I sounded like a frog."
He actually felt like he was recovering from the flu and was feeling optimistic about going back to work when one morning he woke up struggling to breathe.
"It scared me because breathing is a necessity of life, like if you have the flu, you really feel like you're going to die, but you're really not. But when your lungs get affected, that's where it scared me. And I couldn't take a full breath. And the breaths I did take, it sounded like I was breathing through a bag. It was very crackly, and I could only take half breaths. If I walked to the kitchen, for instance, I'd be breathing really shallow and really fast."
In case we didn't know, it's clearly a bloody nasty virus
https://news.sky.com/story/fighting-coronavirus-one-of-the-first-british-sufferers-describes-his-ordeal-11950631
The problem is morons who think every time they have a few sniffles they have the flu, the flu is not a common cold.
It really isn’t, it’s a cold.2 -
Speaking of antiviral, I'm wondering if the 'viral' trope for social media uptick might fade.Casino_Royale said:
It’s like an antiviral Olympics.
'It's gone viral' no longer has quite the same positive overtones.0 -
Coronavirus is doing more to combat Climate change than politicians have done in 50 years.kamski said:
although in this case he's right that global overheating is urgent and more serious than coronavirusMorris_Dancer said:In Russell Brand has backed Ed Miliband and the Tories should be worried news:
https://twitter.com/OwenJones84/status/1235545271267975168
It's reassuring in these dark times to have the consistency and reliability of Owen Jones being a plank.3 -
I have thought of the casualty table like a grim medals table for some time.Casino_Royale said:I love this “my country is better than your country at fighting coronavirus” schtick.
It’s like an antiviral Olympics.2 -
Its morbid but if you want I'm happy to do a £10 charity bet this ends as no worse [fatality worse] than a "bad flu season". Say 18k UK deaths which has happened in prior flu seasons and is proportionate to our size the same annual deaths Italy has every year from the flu.Mysticrose said:
Not that I like waging money over something so macabre, but do you want to bet on that? £10 to charity by whoever wins?TGOHF666 said:16 daily deaths in the Uk in 2017 from suicide.
Doubt covid will match that.
Its macabre so lets say £10 to a health-related charity of the winners choice. What do you think?0 -
Loving the small cluster of Normalcy Bias on here this morning.
The numbers are getting smaller by the day though.
Unlike coronavirus.
G'day to y'all.0 -
The nurse on the previous thread who hadn’t been tested
She’s a potential risk so she’s been quarantined
That’s the right action. She’s therefore not at risk of spreading
There are a limited number of kits to give out (that’s a different failure)
But her complaint is “I’m scared. Why aren’t I at the top of the list?”
My guess is she’s a healthy women in young-middle age who should have been wearing protective gear and is now in quarantine. That makes her a pretty low risk.2 -
If you look at the worse winter flu epidemics, the count of people dying with the flu ran at about 50 per day. If you take our resident mathematicians' calculations of two million across a year, you're talking 5000 a day.Mysticrose said:
Not that I like waging money over something so macabre, but do you want to bet on that? £10 to charity by whoever wins?TGOHF666 said:16 daily deaths in the Uk in 2017 from suicide.
Doubt covid will match that.0 -
how do either of you know unless the person has been tested? surely lots of people get flu with mild symptoms?Anabobazina said:
Indeed. “Are you okay?” “It’s just a bit of flu.”Philip_Thompson said:
Yes. Like the flu.Mysticrose said:Anyone tempted to dismiss the effects on young people will find this a rather graphic wake-up. The first British sufferer, aged 25, describes what it felt like:
"I was feeling achy," says Connor "I just wanted to curl up into a ball and I had ear problems and sinus problems where it felt like there was a balloon being blown up in my face. And that was probably the worst symptom. It really bothered me.
"I also had a raking cough. It was terrible. And it was happening so much, I lost my voice. Sometimes, I couldn't make any sound at all. Sometimes, I sounded like a frog."
He actually felt like he was recovering from the flu and was feeling optimistic about going back to work when one morning he woke up struggling to breathe.
"It scared me because breathing is a necessity of life, like if you have the flu, you really feel like you're going to die, but you're really not. But when your lungs get affected, that's where it scared me. And I couldn't take a full breath. And the breaths I did take, it sounded like I was breathing through a bag. It was very crackly, and I could only take half breaths. If I walked to the kitchen, for instance, I'd be breathing really shallow and really fast."
In case we didn't know, it's clearly a bloody nasty virus
https://news.sky.com/story/fighting-coronavirus-one-of-the-first-british-sufferers-describes-his-ordeal-11950631
The problem is morons who think every time they have a few sniffles they have the flu, the flu is not a common cold.
It really isn’t, it’s a cold.0 -
In China temporarily, not in the UK.alex_ said:
Coronavirus is doing more to combat Climate change than politicians have done in 50 years.kamski said:
although in this case he's right that global overheating is urgent and more serious than coronavirusMorris_Dancer said:In Russell Brand has backed Ed Miliband and the Tories should be worried news:
https://twitter.com/OwenJones84/status/1235545271267975168
It's reassuring in these dark times to have the consistency and reliability of Owen Jones being a plank.0 -
Oh, don’t get me wrong. I’m no different.AlastairMeeks said:
I have thought of the casualty table like a grim medals table for some time.Casino_Royale said:I love this “my country is better than your country at fighting coronavirus” schtick.
It’s like an antiviral Olympics.
I’ll be cheering Blighty on all the way.1 -
Do not get on a ship with Princess in the title.0
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Damn right!Casino_Royale said:
Oh, don’t get me wrong. I’m no different.AlastairMeeks said:
I have thought of the casualty table like a grim medals table for some time.Casino_Royale said:I love this “my country is better than your country at fighting coronavirus” schtick.
It’s like an antiviral Olympics.
I’ll be cheering Blighty on all the way.
But unlike sport I won't want others to do badly.2 -
Blimey.Casino_Royale said:
Oh, don’t get me wrong. I’m no different.AlastairMeeks said:
I have thought of the casualty table like a grim medals table for some time.Casino_Royale said:I love this “my country is better than your country at fighting coronavirus” schtick.
It’s like an antiviral Olympics.
I’ll be cheering Blighty on all the way.
On the buy or sell side, as it were?0 -
Are both Seant’s operating on here simultaneously at the moment by the way? Reinforcing each other?3
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On the nation thing I suspect culture will have more to do with spread once you get past state sophistication.
Do you think going into work regardless is a sign of commitment? What’s the work culture like? How concerned are people about being seen to be pulling a sickie? How phlegmatic is the social culture? How do people both live and socialise? And so on.. ?
That’s what makes the stats interesting.1 -
maybe for now it's the right action and I don't know about this case butCharles said:The nurse on the previous thread who hadn’t been tested
She’s a potential risk so she’s been quarantined
That’s the right action. She’s therefore not at risk of spreading
There are a limited number of kits to give out (that’s a different failure)
But her complaint is “I’m scared. Why aren’t I at the top of the list?”
My guess is she’s a healthy women in young-middle age who should have been wearing protective gear and is now in quarantine. That makes her a pretty low risk.
quarantining all medical staff who are potential risks might soon end up with not enough staff to keep any kind of health services going. we should be prepared to test at risk medical staff every day rather than always quarantining, there's been several weeks to get enough tests together.0 -
Best one was the stat about countries that washed their hands after visiting the toilet.Casino_Royale said:On the nation thing I suspect culture will have more to do with spread once you get past state sophistication.
Do you think going into work regardless is a sign of commitment? What’s the work culture like? How concerned are people about being seen to be pulling a sickie? How phlegmatic is the social culture? How do people both live and socialise? And so on.. ?
That’s what makes the stats interesting.
Wonder if the French “cheek kiss” greeting might be in for a pounding.0 -
No desire to bet on this.Mysticrose said:
Not that I like waging money over something so macabre, but do you want to bet on that? £10 to charity by whoever wins?TGOHF666 said:16 daily deaths in the Uk in 2017 from suicide.
Doubt covid will match that.
2017 are the latest figures I can find.
16 people every single day.
Covid has claimed 1 person in the Uk.0 -
Off coronavirus:
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2020/mar/06/tory-governments-spend-more-on-london-than-rest-of-england-thinktank
As I understand it this Neil O'Brien guy did a lot of work oop North when he was an adviser. He's certainly making the right noises. The govt now needs to show this 'levelling up' agenda isn't just a load of bovine ordure. Because if the north doesn't feel some love, and pretty sharpish, all those lovely red wall seats the Tories gained will scream betrayal.
As ever with this government and its promises, I'll believe it when I see it. I honestly can't see how a party largely grounded in and funded by rich southerners (and furriners) can keep that base happy whilst spaffing money all over the north.1 -
I think we’ll be relatively effective at containment. Nor do I think supply chains will break down - panic buying is overdone.IshmaelZ said:
Blimey.Casino_Royale said:
Oh, don’t get me wrong. I’m no different.AlastairMeeks said:
I have thought of the casualty table like a grim medals table for some time.Casino_Royale said:I love this “my country is better than your country at fighting coronavirus” schtick.
It’s like an antiviral Olympics.
I’ll be cheering Blighty on all the way.
On the buy or sell side, as it were?
My concern is critical care for the 10-20%.0 -
surely there's bound to come a time when more than 16 people a day die in the UK from Coronavirus, but not sure how long it will lastTGOHF666 said:
No desire to bet on this.Mysticrose said:
Not that I like waging money over something so macabre, but do you want to bet on that? £10 to charity by whoever wins?TGOHF666 said:16 daily deaths in the Uk in 2017 from suicide.
Doubt covid will match that.
2017 are the latest figures I can find.
16 people every single day.
Covid has claimed 1 person in the Uk.0 -
Are you over 80 years old ?Charles said:
I was at our latest contingency planning meeting yesterday. First time I’ve been properly scared in a whileTGOHF666 said:I’m bored of the Shanghai sniffle already.
The public would be advised to wash their hands then wean itself off disaster porn news and enjoy life again.0 -
71 I reckonAlanbrooke said:
Are you over 80 years old ?Charles said:
I was at our latest contingency planning meeting yesterday. First time I’ve been properly scared in a whileTGOHF666 said:I’m bored of the Shanghai sniffle already.
The public would be advised to wash their hands then wean itself off disaster porn news and enjoy life again.
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tough call for the democrats, do they vote Statler or WaldorfHYUFD said:4 -
If, roughly speaking, the case fatality rate is 3% and people die a week after being diagnosed, then you'd expect 17 people a day to die a week after there were 567 diagnoses in a single day.kamski said:
surely there's bound to come a time when more than 16 people a day die in the UK from Coronavirus, but not sure how long it will lastTGOHF666 said:
No desire to bet on this.Mysticrose said:
Not that I like waging money over something so macabre, but do you want to bet on that? £10 to charity by whoever wins?TGOHF666 said:16 daily deaths in the Uk in 2017 from suicide.
Doubt covid will match that.
2017 are the latest figures I can find.
16 people every single day.
Covid has claimed 1 person in the Uk.0 -
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Mr. Thompson,
everybody was Kung Flu fighting
that disease was fast as lightning
it was a little bit frightening
and concerns were heightening
Mr. Kamski, I think I'm going to stick to worrying about the thing that might kill my parents.1 -
Remember the virus impact is on top of normal health care requirements, its March so I assume some of the winter pressure is easing off but it does not take an awful lot to rock the system. If the number of ICU attients increased by 10% can the system cope? If rationing is required who will make decisions, there is evidence from Spain that it is devastating in old people’s homes if it gets in. The virus cases number is irrelevant it’s the ability of a system to cope.Casino_Royale said:
I think we’ll be relatively effective at containment. Nor do I think supply chains will break down - panic buying is overdone.IshmaelZ said:
Blimey.Casino_Royale said:
Oh, don’t get me wrong. I’m no different.AlastairMeeks said:
I have thought of the casualty table like a grim medals table for some time.Casino_Royale said:I love this “my country is better than your country at fighting coronavirus” schtick.
It’s like an antiviral Olympics.
I’ll be cheering Blighty on all the way.
On the buy or sell side, as it were?
My concern is critical care for the 10-20%.0 -
Germany heading off to the left as Merkel sinks lower in the polls. Green, Spd linke coalition would now have a majority.
https://www.welt.de/politik/deutschland/article206362913/Sonntagsfrage-Gruen-rot-rote-Mehrheit-in-allen-aktuellen-Umfragen.html0 -
Insert your own Lady MacBeth joke here...IshmaelZ said:Relieved to see the Telegraph has a story on "Why the Coronavirus could be ruining your hands - How to combat the drying, ageing effects of extreme hand washing." That certainly gets to the nub of it.
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How left would that coalition be in UK terms?Alanbrooke said:Germany heading off to the left as Merkel sinks lower in the polls. Green, Spd linke coalition would now have a majority.
https://www.welt.de/politik/deutschland/article206362913/Sonntagsfrage-Gruen-rot-rote-Mehrheit-in-allen-aktuellen-Umfragen.html0 -
What a revealing post.Alanbrooke said:
Are you over 80 years old ?Charles said:
I was at our latest contingency planning meeting yesterday. First time I’ve been properly scared in a whileTGOHF666 said:I’m bored of the Shanghai sniffle already.
The public would be advised to wash their hands then wean itself off disaster porn news and enjoy life again.
That girls are raped, that two boys knife a third
Were axioms to him, who'd never heard
Of any world where promises were kept
Or one could weep because another wept.0 -
That was also the case in 2005 but the SPD did a deal with the CDU rather than the Linke.Alanbrooke said:Germany heading off to the left as Merkel sinks lower in the polls. Green, Spd linke coalition would now have a majority.
https://www.welt.de/politik/deutschland/article206362913/Sonntagsfrage-Gruen-rot-rote-Mehrheit-in-allen-aktuellen-Umfragen.html
At the last election CDU plus FDP plus AfD had a majority but the CDU did a deal with the SPD rather than the AfD.
If the SPD and Greens go into Government with Linke and abandon the centre, some in the CDU and CSU will start to open talks with the AfD post Merkel in response0 -
noneoftheabove said:
How left would that coalition be in UK terms?Alanbrooke said:Germany heading off to the left as Merkel sinks lower in the polls. Green, Spd linke coalition would now have a majority.
https://www.welt.de/politik/deutschland/article206362913/Sonntagsfrage-Gruen-rot-rote-Mehrheit-in-allen-aktuellen-Umfragen.html
Greens plus Labour plus Momentumnoneoftheabove said:
How left would that coalition be in UK terms?Alanbrooke said:Germany heading off to the left as Merkel sinks lower in the polls. Green, Spd linke coalition would now have a majority.
https://www.welt.de/politik/deutschland/article206362913/Sonntagsfrage-Gruen-rot-rote-Mehrheit-in-allen-aktuellen-Umfragen.html
The German Greens are taking a principled stand by refusing to work with the heirs to Hitler, that's why 'working with the heirs to Stalin.0 -
As there is also a faecal - oral transmission route, how about Rimmers Disease?edmundintokyo said:
I liked Maciej Ceglowski's suggestion that you should use the name to communicate a threat vector, for example Filthy Hands Syndrome.matt said:
Wuflu works better.TGOHF666 said:I’m bored of the Shanghai sniffle already.
The public would be advised to wash their hands then wean itself off disaster porn news and enjoy life again.1 -
I thought all Remainy folk would be happy with something that wiped oldies out quicker ?IshmaelZ said:
What a revealing post.Alanbrooke said:
Are you over 80 years old ?Charles said:
I was at our latest contingency planning meeting yesterday. First time I’ve been properly scared in a whileTGOHF666 said:I’m bored of the Shanghai sniffle already.
The public would be advised to wash their hands then wean itself off disaster porn news and enjoy life again.
That girls are raped, that two boys knife a third
Were axioms to him, who'd never heard
Of any world where promises were kept
Or one could weep because another wept.0 -
If the government has thought this through (and I’m sure they have) then they can requisition 30-40 large warehouses around the country for up to 6 months using the civil contingencies act and kit them out as emergency hospital inside 2-3 weeks.nichomar said:
Remember the virus impact is on top of normal health care requirements, its March so I assume some of the winter pressure is easing off but it does not take an awful lot to rock the system. If the number of ICU attients increased by 10% can the system cope? If rationing is required who will make decisions, there is evidence from Spain that it is devastating in old people’s homes if it gets in. The virus cases number is irrelevant it’s the ability of a system to cope.Casino_Royale said:
I think we’ll be relatively effective at containment. Nor do I think supply chains will break down - panic buying is overdone.IshmaelZ said:
Blimey.Casino_Royale said:
Oh, don’t get me wrong. I’m no different.AlastairMeeks said:
I have thought of the casualty table like a grim medals table for some time.Casino_Royale said:I love this “my country is better than your country at fighting coronavirus” schtick.
It’s like an antiviral Olympics.
I’ll be cheering Blighty on all the way.
On the buy or sell side, as it were?
My concern is critical care for the 10-20%.
They’d need to draft in extra emergency medical staff of course (they should be put on notice now) and procure/build/buy as many ventilation machines as they possibly can - now.0 -
Post Merkel they Cdu will almost certainly move towards the AFD anyway. Elecotrally speaking moving towards accommodation with these far right/populist parties has been the trend pretty much everywhere in Europe, and normally allows the mainstream right wing party to end up stronger (like in Austria).HYUFD said:
That was also the case in 2005 but the SPD did a deal with the CDU rather than the Linke.Alanbrooke said:Germany heading off to the left as Merkel sinks lower in the polls. Green, Spd linke coalition would now have a majority.
https://www.welt.de/politik/deutschland/article206362913/Sonntagsfrage-Gruen-rot-rote-Mehrheit-in-allen-aktuellen-Umfragen.html
At the last election CDU plus FDP plus AfD had a majority but the CDU did a deal with the SPD rather than the AfD.
If the SPD and Greens go into Government with Linke and abandon the centre, some in the CDU and CSU will start to open talks with the AfD post Merkel in response1 -
Another one is confusing a basic headache with a migraine. Never had one myself but they seem awful.Philip_Thompson said:
Yes. Like the flu.Mysticrose said:Anyone tempted to dismiss the effects on young people will find this a rather graphic wake-up. The first British sufferer, aged 25, describes what it felt like:
"I was feeling achy," says Connor "I just wanted to curl up into a ball and I had ear problems and sinus problems where it felt like there was a balloon being blown up in my face. And that was probably the worst symptom. It really bothered me.
"I also had a raking cough. It was terrible. And it was happening so much, I lost my voice. Sometimes, I couldn't make any sound at all. Sometimes, I sounded like a frog."
He actually felt like he was recovering from the flu and was feeling optimistic about going back to work when one morning he woke up struggling to breathe.
"It scared me because breathing is a necessity of life, like if you have the flu, you really feel like you're going to die, but you're really not. But when your lungs get affected, that's where it scared me. And I couldn't take a full breath. And the breaths I did take, it sounded like I was breathing through a bag. It was very crackly, and I could only take half breaths. If I walked to the kitchen, for instance, I'd be breathing really shallow and really fast."
In case we didn't know, it's clearly a bloody nasty virus
https://news.sky.com/story/fighting-coronavirus-one-of-the-first-british-sufferers-describes-his-ordeal-11950631
The problem is morons who think every time they have a few sniffles they have the flu, the flu is not a common cold.1 -
I'm getting confused. Does soap and water work on this virus? Do standard carex hand washes work?
I seem to be seeing stuff now that talks about need for alcohol-based cleaners (60%+).0 -
Is that all? Taking it's timeHYUFD said:0 -
I would have expected Boris to be loudly investing the NHS Brexit dividend in Borespirators and Borospitals and generally Getting Our Response to Coronavirus Done. The fact that he is not being an arse about it is one of the most worrying facets of the whole situation. Even he thinks it's serious.Casino_Royale said:
If the government has thought this through (and I’m sure they have) then they can requisition 30-40 large warehouses around the country for up to 6 months using the civil contingencies act and kit them out as emergency hospital inside 2-3 weeks.nichomar said:
Remember the virus impact is on top of normal health care requirements, its March so I assume some of the winter pressure is easing off but it does not take an awful lot to rock the system. If the number of ICU attients increased by 10% can the system cope? If rationing is required who will make decisions, there is evidence from Spain that it is devastating in old people’s homes if it gets in. The virus cases number is irrelevant it’s the ability of a system to cope.Casino_Royale said:
I think we’ll be relatively effective at containment. Nor do I think supply chains will break down - panic buying is overdone.IshmaelZ said:
Blimey.Casino_Royale said:
Oh, don’t get me wrong. I’m no different.AlastairMeeks said:
I have thought of the casualty table like a grim medals table for some time.Casino_Royale said:I love this “my country is better than your country at fighting coronavirus” schtick.
It’s like an antiviral Olympics.
I’ll be cheering Blighty on all the way.
On the buy or sell side, as it were?
My concern is critical care for the 10-20%.
They’d need to draft in extra emergency medical staff of course (they should be put on notice now) and procure/build/buy as many ventilation machines as they possibly can - now.4 -
Would we expect to be told or would that be seen as scaremongering you’re dammed if you do and dammed if you don’t.Casino_Royale said:
If the government has thought this through (and I’m sure they have) then they can requisition 30-40 large warehouses around the country for up to 6 months using the civil contingencies act and kit them out as emergency hospital inside 2-3 weeks.nichomar said:
Remember the virus impact is on top of normal health care requirements, its March so I assume some of the winter pressure is easing off but it does not take an awful lot to rock the system. If the number of ICU attients increased by 10% can the system cope? If rationing is required who will make decisions, there is evidence from Spain that it is devastating in old people’s homes if it gets in. The virus cases number is irrelevant it’s the ability of a system to cope.Casino_Royale said:
I think we’ll be relatively effective at containment. Nor do I think supply chains will break down - panic buying is overdone.IshmaelZ said:
Blimey.Casino_Royale said:
Oh, don’t get me wrong. I’m no different.AlastairMeeks said:
I have thought of the casualty table like a grim medals table for some time.Casino_Royale said:I love this “my country is better than your country at fighting coronavirus” schtick.
It’s like an antiviral Olympics.
I’ll be cheering Blighty on all the way.
On the buy or sell side, as it were?
My concern is critical care for the 10-20%.
They’d need to draft in extra emergency medical staff of course (they should be put on notice now) and procure/build/buy as many ventilation machines as they possibly can - now.0 -
Soap is fine. Sanitizers are more portable, but not otherwise betterrottenborough said:I'm getting confused. Does soap and water work on this virus? Do standard carex hand washes work?
I seem to be seeing stuff now that talks about need for alcohol-based cleaners (60%+).
https://www.google.com/search?q=is+soap+better+than+hand+sanitizer0 -
American man imprisoned for licking ice cream in a shop which he goes on to buy. Very uncouth but probably not worth adding to the worlds biggest prison population.....
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-517627530 -
Migraines do not necessarily give you a headache. A couple of years ago I had an ocular migraine. Not recommended, but I didn't have a headache at all.kle4 said:
Another one is confusing a basic headache with a migraine. Never had one myself but they seem awful.Philip_Thompson said:
Yes. Like the flu.Mysticrose said:Anyone tempted to dismiss the effects on young people will find this a rather graphic wake-up. The first British sufferer, aged 25, describes what it felt like:
"I was feeling achy," says Connor "I just wanted to curl up into a ball and I had ear problems and sinus problems where it felt like there was a balloon being blown up in my face. And that was probably the worst symptom. It really bothered me.
"I also had a raking cough. It was terrible. And it was happening so much, I lost my voice. Sometimes, I couldn't make any sound at all. Sometimes, I sounded like a frog."
He actually felt like he was recovering from the flu and was feeling optimistic about going back to work when one morning he woke up struggling to breathe.
"It scared me because breathing is a necessity of life, like if you have the flu, you really feel like you're going to die, but you're really not. But when your lungs get affected, that's where it scared me. And I couldn't take a full breath. And the breaths I did take, it sounded like I was breathing through a bag. It was very crackly, and I could only take half breaths. If I walked to the kitchen, for instance, I'd be breathing really shallow and really fast."
In case we didn't know, it's clearly a bloody nasty virus
https://news.sky.com/story/fighting-coronavirus-one-of-the-first-british-sufferers-describes-his-ordeal-11950631
The problem is morons who think every time they have a few sniffles they have the flu, the flu is not a common cold.0 -
Had to look that one up.IshmaelZ said:
What a revealing post.Alanbrooke said:
Are you over 80 years old ?Charles said:
I was at our latest contingency planning meeting yesterday. First time I’ve been properly scared in a whileTGOHF666 said:I’m bored of the Shanghai sniffle already.
The public would be advised to wash their hands then wean itself off disaster porn news and enjoy life again.
That girls are raped, that two boys knife a third
Were axioms to him, who'd never heard
Of any world where promises were kept
Or one could weep because another wept.
The occasional poetry quote on here is one of the most civilised things about PB.0 -
The main issue with soap is that you have to go to the bathroom to find a sink to use it. Then you have to leave the bathroom which probably involves pulling on a door handle - at which point you need to wash your hands again.IshmaelZ said:
Soap is fine. Sanitizers are more portable, but not otherwise betterrottenborough said:I'm getting confused. Does soap and water work on this virus? Do standard carex hand washes work?
I seem to be seeing stuff now that talks about need for alcohol-based cleaners (60%+).
https://www.google.com/search?q=is+soap+better+than+hand+sanitizer0 -
Sort of on topic, there's so many innumerate people in the world and in the media in particular.
https://twitter.com/TomChivers/status/1235853060158578689
https://twitter.com/TomChivers/status/12358534350538629140 -
The CDU will not do deals with the AfD in those or any other circumstances.HYUFD said:
That was also the case in 2005 but the SPD did a deal with the CDU rather than the Linke.Alanbrooke said:Germany heading off to the left as Merkel sinks lower in the polls. Green, Spd linke coalition would now have a majority.
https://www.welt.de/politik/deutschland/article206362913/Sonntagsfrage-Gruen-rot-rote-Mehrheit-in-allen-aktuellen-Umfragen.html
At the last election CDU plus FDP plus AfD had a majority but the CDU did a deal with the SPD rather than the AfD.
If the SPD and Greens go into Government with Linke and abandon the centre, some in the CDU and CSU will start to open talks with the AfD post Merkel in response
The SPD and Greens are already governing with die Linke in 3 German states.
CDU are in coalition with the Greens in 6 German states (3 along with SPD, 1 with FDP).0 -
At the very least the oldie remainers wouldnt be ecstatic about it.Alanbrooke said:
I thought all Remainy folk would be happy with something that wiped oldies out quicker ?IshmaelZ said:
What a revealing post.Alanbrooke said:
Are you over 80 years old ?Charles said:
I was at our latest contingency planning meeting yesterday. First time I’ve been properly scared in a whileTGOHF666 said:I’m bored of the Shanghai sniffle already.
The public would be advised to wash their hands then wean itself off disaster porn news and enjoy life again.
That girls are raped, that two boys knife a third
Were axioms to him, who'd never heard
Of any world where promises were kept
Or one could weep because another wept.0
