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edited March 2020 in General

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Inevitably the first UK death from the corona virus is a major milestone for the country as it faces an ever expanding total of people who have been affected.

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  • state_go_awaystate_go_away Posts: 5,808
    Dont want to be first on this thread!
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 49,846
    edited March 2020
    Second. Please, after you..
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 49,846
    On topic, as the situation becomes more serious it will also become more normal.

  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 53,755
    I think that the running total will always be news but not necessarily front page. What we have seen over the last few days is the impossibility of keeping a country that moves around as much as we do contained for any period of time. Far too many people still seem to think that visiting Italy or even Iran is a good idea and then come back here.
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 18,275
    I noticed on Prime Time (on RTÉ) last night that they had a big number 13 up in the studio - the number of confirmed cases in the Republic. It reminded me of reading about one of the US TV networks doing something similar with American casualty figures during the Vietnam War.

    I wonder whether any of the newspapers have considered the visual impact of printing the number of confirmed UK cases and deaths in the same way on their front page each day.
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 61,751
    Mr. Password, I'm sure they have. It's their business to sell papers, although we must hope they report in a responsible fashion.
  • MysticroseMysticrose Posts: 4,688
    Morris_Dancer said:

    Mr. Password, I'm sure they have. It's their business to sell papers, although we must hope they report in a responsible fashion.

    If they were playing it down or, worse, covering it up then there'd be a bigger outcry.

    The dissenting voices are fading as the gravity of this sinks in.
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 61,751
    Mr. Rose, aye. Even with the best will in the world, getting the reporting right won't be easy.
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 26,152
    I can think of some ninety somethings that would make the front page if they snuff it.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 49,846
    Mysticrose said:

    Morris_Dancer said:

    Mr. Password, I'm sure they have. It's their business to sell papers, although we must hope they report in a responsible fashion.

    If they were playing it down or, worse, covering it up then there'd be a bigger outcry.

    The dissenting voices are fading as the gravity of this sinks in.
    No-one ever argued this wasn't serious. The debate has been about whether this will be catastrophic ("millions of Brits will die") or whether we are still within an order of magnitude of a bad annual flu epidemic. It is still too early to tell.
  • MysticroseMysticrose Posts: 4,688
    edited March 2020
    Anyone tempted to dismiss the effects on young people will find this a rather graphic wake-up. The first British sufferer, aged 25, describes what it felt like:

    "I was feeling achy," says Connor "I just wanted to curl up into a ball and I had ear problems and sinus problems where it felt like there was a balloon being blown up in my face. And that was probably the worst symptom. It really bothered me.

    "I also had a raking cough. It was terrible. And it was happening so much, I lost my voice. Sometimes, I couldn't make any sound at all. Sometimes, I sounded like a frog."

    He actually felt like he was recovering from the flu and was feeling optimistic about going back to work when one morning he woke up struggling to breathe.

    "It scared me because breathing is a necessity of life, like if you have the flu, you really feel like you're going to die, but you're really not. But when your lungs get affected, that's where it scared me. And I couldn't take a full breath. And the breaths I did take, it sounded like I was breathing through a bag. It was very crackly, and I could only take half breaths. If I walked to the kitchen, for instance, I'd be breathing really shallow and really fast."


    In case we didn't know, it's clearly a bloody nasty virus

    https://news.sky.com/story/fighting-coronavirus-one-of-the-first-british-sufferers-describes-his-ordeal-11950631
  • mattmatt Posts: 3,789
    TGOHF666 said:

    I’m bored of the Shanghai sniffle already.

    The public would be advised to wash their hands then wean itself off disaster porn news and enjoy life again.

    Wuflu works better.
  • TomsToms Posts: 2,478
    This splendid essay didn't make my day. Is there an apocalyptic horseman representing wilful ignorance?

    https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/04/opinion/coronavirus-science.html
  • MysticroseMysticrose Posts: 4,688
    edited March 2020
    Morris_Dancer said:

    Mr. Rose, aye. Even with the best will in the world, getting the reporting right won't be easy.

    Agreed. It's a bit of tightrope. I think they're being okay at the moment. As are the Gov't now. The learned Prof, Chris Whitty, seems to be rather a good thing https://www.theguardian.com/society/2020/mar/04/prof-chris-whitty-the-expert-we-need-in-the-coronavirus-crisis


    p.s. 'Ms' by the way
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 61,751
    Ms. Rose, ahem sorry.
  • alex_alex_ Posts: 7,518
    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/mar/06/more-scary-than-coronavirus-south-koreas-health-alerts-expose-private-lives

    No secrets in South Korea...
  • Martin_KinsellaMartin_Kinsella Posts: 444
    Mysticrose said:

    Anyone tempted to dismiss the effects on young people will find this a rather graphic wake-up. The first British sufferer, aged 25, describes what it felt like:

    "I was feeling achy," says Connor "I just wanted to curl up into a ball and I had ear problems and sinus problems where it felt like there was a balloon being blown up in my face. And that was probably the worst symptom. It really bothered me.

    "I also had a raking cough. It was terrible. And it was happening so much, I lost my voice. Sometimes, I couldn't make any sound at all. Sometimes, I sounded like a frog."

    He actually felt like he was recovering from the flu and was feeling optimistic about going back to work when one morning he woke up struggling to breathe.

    "It scared me because breathing is a necessity of life, like if you have the flu, you really feel like you're going to die, but you're really not. But when your lungs get affected, that's where it scared me. And I couldn't take a full breath. And the breaths I did take, it sounded like I was breathing through a bag. It was very crackly, and I could only take half breaths. If I walked to the kitchen, for instance, I'd be breathing really shallow and really fast."


    In case we didn't know, it's clearly a bloody nasty virus

    https://news.sky.com/story/fighting-coronavirus-one-of-the-first-british-sufferers-describes-his-ordeal-11950631

    Yes, I think we already know but thanks for the input.
  • kamskikamski Posts: 5,186
    surprised nobody has discussed the Hong Kong research out today:

    'Leung says: “We estimate the symptomatic fatality rate is 1.4%”

    “There is still one remaining uncertainty - out of those infected, what is the proportion who show symptoms?”

    Differences in this proportion would shift the rate by about 0.1% - which is still a lot of people.'

    as reported in the Guardian liveblog

    1.4% would match the range you could imagine the S Korea figures heading towards. not sure why they don't match the Hubei figures.
  • MysticroseMysticrose Posts: 4,688
    Martin_Kinsella said:

    Mysticrose said:

    Anyone tempted to dismiss the effects on young people will find this a rather graphic wake-up. The first British sufferer, aged 25, describes what it felt like:

    "I was feeling achy," says Connor "I just wanted to curl up into a ball and I had ear problems and sinus problems where it felt like there was a balloon being blown up in my face. And that was probably the worst symptom. It really bothered me.

    "I also had a raking cough. It was terrible. And it was happening so much, I lost my voice. Sometimes, I couldn't make any sound at all. Sometimes, I sounded like a frog."

    He actually felt like he was recovering from the flu and was feeling optimistic about going back to work when one morning he woke up struggling to breathe.

    "It scared me because breathing is a necessity of life, like if you have the flu, you really feel like you're going to die, but you're really not. But when your lungs get affected, that's where it scared me. And I couldn't take a full breath. And the breaths I did take, it sounded like I was breathing through a bag. It was very crackly, and I could only take half breaths. If I walked to the kitchen, for instance, I'd be breathing really shallow and really fast."


    In case we didn't know, it's clearly a bloody nasty virus

    https://news.sky.com/story/fighting-coronavirus-one-of-the-first-british-sufferers-describes-his-ordeal-11950631

    Yes, I think we already know but thanks for the input.
    Well I for one had never read what it's like to have it, the symptoms and effects, and this was from the first Briton to contract the virus.

    But if you knew all that then already, wow, then I've clearly missed on here before how brilliant you are. I shall really look out for your posts in future and ensure I screen print them to guide me through life.
  • AlastairMeeksAlastairMeeks Posts: 30,340
    The public's supposed hatred of the Duchess of Sussex may be a little overstated:

    https://twitter.com/OldBlackHack/status/1235686194949873665
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,089
    This has been reported precisely as I expected it was going to be.
  • TGOHF666TGOHF666 Posts: 2,052
    16 daily deaths in the Uk in 2017 from suicide.

    Doubt covid will match that.

  • MysticroseMysticrose Posts: 4,688
    alex_ said:

    Not that people realise it but “normal” flu is a bloody nasty virus as well.

    Yes it is indeed. I've had it twice and it was really horrible. The first time wiped me out for 3 weeks and I was still feeling the effects on my lungs 3 months later.

    Coronavirus is worse and around 34x more deadly.
  • alex_alex_ Posts: 7,518
    Mysticrose said:

    Martin_Kinsella said:

    Mysticrose said:

    Anyone tempted to dismiss the effects on young people will find this a rather graphic wake-up. The first British sufferer, aged 25, describes what it felt like:

    "I was feeling achy," says Connor "I just wanted to curl up into a ball and I had ear problems and sinus problems where it felt like there was a balloon being blown up in my face. And that was probably the worst symptom. It really bothered me.

    "I also had a raking cough. It was terrible. And it was happening so much, I lost my voice. Sometimes, I couldn't make any sound at all. Sometimes, I sounded like a frog."

    He actually felt like he was recovering from the flu and was feeling optimistic about going back to work when one morning he woke up struggling to breathe.

    "It scared me because breathing is a necessity of life, like if you have the flu, you really feel like you're going to die, but you're really not. But when your lungs get affected, that's where it scared me. And I couldn't take a full breath. And the breaths I did take, it sounded like I was breathing through a bag. It was very crackly, and I could only take half breaths. If I walked to the kitchen, for instance, I'd be breathing really shallow and really fast."


    In case we didn't know, it's clearly a bloody nasty virus

    https://news.sky.com/story/fighting-coronavirus-one-of-the-first-british-sufferers-describes-his-ordeal-11950631

    Yes, I think we already know but thanks for the input.
    Well I for one had never read what it's like to have it, the symptoms and effects, and this was from the first Briton to contract the virus.

    But if you knew all that then already, wow, then I've clearly missed on here before how brilliant you are. I shall really look out for your posts in future and ensure I screen print them to guide me through life.
    But it kills people. Of course it’s a nasty virus. Not everyone who gets it will experience those symptoms though.
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 61,751
    In Russell Brand has backed Ed Miliband and the Tories should be worried news:

    https://twitter.com/OwenJones84/status/1235545271267975168

    It's reassuring in these dark times to have the consistency and reliability of Owen Jones being a plank.
  • IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 21,830
    Relieved to see the Telegraph has a story on "Why the Coronavirus could be ruining your hands - How to combat the drying, ageing effects of extreme hand washing." That certainly gets to the nub of it.
  • Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826
    Mysticrose said:

    Anyone tempted to dismiss the effects on young people will find this a rather graphic wake-up. The first British sufferer, aged 25, describes what it felt like:

    "I was feeling achy," says Connor "I just wanted to curl up into a ball and I had ear problems and sinus problems where it felt like there was a balloon being blown up in my face. And that was probably the worst symptom. It really bothered me.

    "I also had a raking cough. It was terrible. And it was happening so much, I lost my voice. Sometimes, I couldn't make any sound at all. Sometimes, I sounded like a frog."

    He actually felt like he was recovering from the flu and was feeling optimistic about going back to work when one morning he woke up struggling to breathe.

    "It scared me because breathing is a necessity of life, like if you have the flu, you really feel like you're going to die, but you're really not. But when your lungs get affected, that's where it scared me. And I couldn't take a full breath. And the breaths I did take, it sounded like I was breathing through a bag. It was very crackly, and I could only take half breaths. If I walked to the kitchen, for instance, I'd be breathing really shallow and really fast."


    In case we didn't know, it's clearly a bloody nasty virus

    https://news.sky.com/story/fighting-coronavirus-one-of-the-first-british-sufferers-describes-his-ordeal-11950631

    Yes. Like the flu.

    The problem is morons who think every time they have a few sniffles they have the flu, the flu is not a common cold.
  • MysticroseMysticrose Posts: 4,688
    TGOHF666 said:

    16 daily deaths in the Uk in 2017 from suicide.

    Doubt covid will match that.

    Not that I like waging money over something so macabre, but do you want to bet on that? £10 to charity by whoever wins?
  • Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826
    matt said:

    TGOHF666 said:

    I’m bored of the Shanghai sniffle already.

    The public would be advised to wash their hands then wean itself off disaster porn news and enjoy life again.

    Wuflu works better.
    Kung Flu.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 60,282
    I love this “my country is better than your country at fighting coronavirus” schtick.

    It’s like an antiviral Olympics.
  • kamskikamski Posts: 5,186
    Mysticrose said:

    TGOHF666 said:

    16 daily deaths in the Uk in 2017 from suicide.

    Doubt covid will match that.

    Not that I like waging money over something so macabre, but do you want to bet on that? £10 to charity by whoever wins?
    I doubt covid will kill many people in 2017
  • edmundintokyoedmundintokyo Posts: 17,708
    matt said:

    TGOHF666 said:

    I’m bored of the Shanghai sniffle already.

    The public would be advised to wash their hands then wean itself off disaster porn news and enjoy life again.

    Wuflu works better.
    I liked Maciej Ceglowski's suggestion that you should use the name to communicate a threat vector, for example Filthy Hands Syndrome.
  • kamskikamski Posts: 5,186
    IshmaelZ said:

    Relieved to see the Telegraph has a story on "Why the Coronavirus could be ruining your hands - How to combat the drying, ageing effects of extreme hand washing." That certainly gets to the nub of it.

    probably a good idea to keep the skin on your hands intact
  • kamskikamski Posts: 5,186
    Morris_Dancer said:

    In Russell Brand has backed Ed Miliband and the Tories should be worried news:

    https://twitter.com/OwenJones84/status/1235545271267975168

    It's reassuring in these dark times to have the consistency and reliability of Owen Jones being a plank.

    although in this case he's right that global overheating is urgent and more serious than coronavirus
  • MysticroseMysticrose Posts: 4,688
    Philip_Thompson said:

    Mysticrose said:

    Anyone tempted to dismiss the effects on young people will find this a rather graphic wake-up. The first British sufferer, aged 25, describes what it felt like:

    "I was feeling achy," says Connor "I just wanted to curl up into a ball and I had ear problems and sinus problems where it felt like there was a balloon being blown up in my face. And that was probably the worst symptom. It really bothered me.

    "I also had a raking cough. It was terrible. And it was happening so much, I lost my voice. Sometimes, I couldn't make any sound at all. Sometimes, I sounded like a frog."

    He actually felt like he was recovering from the flu and was feeling optimistic about going back to work when one morning he woke up struggling to breathe.

    "It scared me because breathing is a necessity of life, like if you have the flu, you really feel like you're going to die, but you're really not. But when your lungs get affected, that's where it scared me. And I couldn't take a full breath. And the breaths I did take, it sounded like I was breathing through a bag. It was very crackly, and I could only take half breaths. If I walked to the kitchen, for instance, I'd be breathing really shallow and really fast."


    In case we didn't know, it's clearly a bloody nasty virus

    https://news.sky.com/story/fighting-coronavirus-one-of-the-first-british-sufferers-describes-his-ordeal-11950631

    Yes. Like the flu.

    It's 34x more deadly than the flu and the transmission rate (R0) is much higher.

    Far be it from me to point you to science and away from your normalcy bias but this makes a good, scientific, read:

    https://www.livescience.com/new-coronavirus-compare-with-flu.html
  • alex_alex_ Posts: 7,518
    Mysticrose said:

    alex_ said:

    Not that people realise it but “normal” flu is a bloody nasty virus as well.

    Yes it is indeed. I've had it twice and it was really horrible. The first time wiped me out for 3 weeks and I was still feeling the effects on my lungs 3 months later.

    Coronavirus is worse and around 34x more deadly.
    You think the person’s account sounds significantly worse than what you experienced?

    I think your comparison of death rates is probably wrong and skewed by vaccination. 26,000 died of flu in 1989. At 0.1% that’s 26 million people contracting it.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 60,282
    DavidL said:

    I think that the running total will always be news but not necessarily front page. What we have seen over the last few days is the impossibility of keeping a country that moves around as much as we do contained for any period of time. Far too many people still seem to think that visiting Italy or even Iran is a good idea and then come back here.

    The vast majority of Britons don’t. But, for example, there’s a sufficient Iranian diaspora here that there will always be people shuttling between Iran and Britain most days. And, for the rest, we are a service driven economy that does a lot of business around the world.

    It’s very hard to stop unless you lock down all the ports and airports (and the Chunnel) to essential goods only.
  • MysticroseMysticrose Posts: 4,688
    edited March 2020
    alex_ said:

    Mysticrose said:

    alex_ said:

    Not that people realise it but “normal” flu is a bloody nasty virus as well.

    Yes it is indeed. I've had it twice and it was really horrible. The first time wiped me out for 3 weeks and I was still feeling the effects on my lungs 3 months later.

    Coronavirus is worse and around 34x more deadly.
    You think the person’s account sounds significantly worse than what you experienced?

    I think your comparison of death rates is probably wrong and skewed by vaccination. 26,000 died of flu in 1989. At 0.1% that’s 26 million people contracting it.
    Yes I do.

    No, it's the science

    https://www.livescience.com/new-coronavirus-compare-with-flu.html
  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 23,479
    Philip_Thompson said:

    Mysticrose said:

    Anyone tempted to dismiss the effects on young people will find this a rather graphic wake-up. The first British sufferer, aged 25, describes what it felt like:

    "I was feeling achy," says Connor "I just wanted to curl up into a ball and I had ear problems and sinus problems where it felt like there was a balloon being blown up in my face. And that was probably the worst symptom. It really bothered me.

    "I also had a raking cough. It was terrible. And it was happening so much, I lost my voice. Sometimes, I couldn't make any sound at all. Sometimes, I sounded like a frog."

    He actually felt like he was recovering from the flu and was feeling optimistic about going back to work when one morning he woke up struggling to breathe.

    "It scared me because breathing is a necessity of life, like if you have the flu, you really feel like you're going to die, but you're really not. But when your lungs get affected, that's where it scared me. And I couldn't take a full breath. And the breaths I did take, it sounded like I was breathing through a bag. It was very crackly, and I could only take half breaths. If I walked to the kitchen, for instance, I'd be breathing really shallow and really fast."


    In case we didn't know, it's clearly a bloody nasty virus

    https://news.sky.com/story/fighting-coronavirus-one-of-the-first-british-sufferers-describes-his-ordeal-11950631

    Yes. Like the flu.

    The problem is morons who think every time they have a few sniffles they have the flu, the flu is not a common cold.
    Indeed. “Are you okay?” “It’s just a bit of flu.”

    It really isn’t, it’s a cold.
  • MysticroseMysticrose Posts: 4,688
    Casino_Royale said:



    It’s like an antiviral Olympics.

    Speaking of antiviral, I'm wondering if the 'viral' trope for social media uptick might fade.

    'It's gone viral' no longer has quite the same positive overtones.
  • alex_alex_ Posts: 7,518
    kamski said:

    Morris_Dancer said:

    In Russell Brand has backed Ed Miliband and the Tories should be worried news:

    https://twitter.com/OwenJones84/status/1235545271267975168

    It's reassuring in these dark times to have the consistency and reliability of Owen Jones being a plank.

    although in this case he's right that global overheating is urgent and more serious than coronavirus
    Coronavirus is doing more to combat Climate change than politicians have done in 50 years.
  • AlastairMeeksAlastairMeeks Posts: 30,340
    Casino_Royale said:

    I love this “my country is better than your country at fighting coronavirus” schtick.

    It’s like an antiviral Olympics.

    I have thought of the casualty table like a grim medals table for some time.
  • Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826
    edited March 2020
    Mysticrose said:

    TGOHF666 said:

    16 daily deaths in the Uk in 2017 from suicide.

    Doubt covid will match that.

    Not that I like waging money over something so macabre, but do you want to bet on that? £10 to charity by whoever wins?
    Its morbid but if you want I'm happy to do a £10 charity bet this ends as no worse [fatality worse] than a "bad flu season". Say 18k UK deaths which has happened in prior flu seasons and is proportionate to our size the same annual deaths Italy has every year from the flu.

    Its macabre so lets say £10 to a health-related charity of the winners choice. What do you think?
  • MysticroseMysticrose Posts: 4,688
    Loving the small cluster of Normalcy Bias on here this morning.

    The numbers are getting smaller by the day though.

    Unlike coronavirus.

    G'day to y'all.
  • CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758
    The nurse on the previous thread who hadn’t been tested

    She’s a potential risk so she’s been quarantined

    That’s the right action. She’s therefore not at risk of spreading

    There are a limited number of kits to give out (that’s a different failure)

    But her complaint is “I’m scared. Why aren’t I at the top of the list?”

    My guess is she’s a healthy women in young-middle age who should have been wearing protective gear and is now in quarantine. That makes her a pretty low risk.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 49,846
    Mysticrose said:

    TGOHF666 said:

    16 daily deaths in the Uk in 2017 from suicide.

    Doubt covid will match that.

    Not that I like waging money over something so macabre, but do you want to bet on that? £10 to charity by whoever wins?
    If you look at the worse winter flu epidemics, the count of people dying with the flu ran at about 50 per day. If you take our resident mathematicians' calculations of two million across a year, you're talking 5000 a day.
  • kamskikamski Posts: 5,186
    Anabobazina said:

    Philip_Thompson said:

    Mysticrose said:

    Anyone tempted to dismiss the effects on young people will find this a rather graphic wake-up. The first British sufferer, aged 25, describes what it felt like:

    "I was feeling achy," says Connor "I just wanted to curl up into a ball and I had ear problems and sinus problems where it felt like there was a balloon being blown up in my face. And that was probably the worst symptom. It really bothered me.

    "I also had a raking cough. It was terrible. And it was happening so much, I lost my voice. Sometimes, I couldn't make any sound at all. Sometimes, I sounded like a frog."

    He actually felt like he was recovering from the flu and was feeling optimistic about going back to work when one morning he woke up struggling to breathe.

    "It scared me because breathing is a necessity of life, like if you have the flu, you really feel like you're going to die, but you're really not. But when your lungs get affected, that's where it scared me. And I couldn't take a full breath. And the breaths I did take, it sounded like I was breathing through a bag. It was very crackly, and I could only take half breaths. If I walked to the kitchen, for instance, I'd be breathing really shallow and really fast."


    In case we didn't know, it's clearly a bloody nasty virus

    https://news.sky.com/story/fighting-coronavirus-one-of-the-first-british-sufferers-describes-his-ordeal-11950631

    Yes. Like the flu.

    The problem is morons who think every time they have a few sniffles they have the flu, the flu is not a common cold.
    Indeed. “Are you okay?” “It’s just a bit of flu.”

    It really isn’t, it’s a cold.
    how do either of you know unless the person has been tested? surely lots of people get flu with mild symptoms?
  • Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826
    alex_ said:

    kamski said:

    Morris_Dancer said:

    In Russell Brand has backed Ed Miliband and the Tories should be worried news:

    https://twitter.com/OwenJones84/status/1235545271267975168

    It's reassuring in these dark times to have the consistency and reliability of Owen Jones being a plank.

    although in this case he's right that global overheating is urgent and more serious than coronavirus
    Coronavirus is doing more to combat Climate change than politicians have done in 50 years.
    In China temporarily, not in the UK.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 60,282
    AlastairMeeks said:

    Casino_Royale said:

    I love this “my country is better than your country at fighting coronavirus” schtick.

    It’s like an antiviral Olympics.

    I have thought of the casualty table like a grim medals table for some time.
    Oh, don’t get me wrong. I’m no different.

    I’ll be cheering Blighty on all the way.
  • GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 21,295
    Do not get on a ship with Princess in the title.
  • Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826
    edited March 2020
    Casino_Royale said:

    AlastairMeeks said:

    Casino_Royale said:

    I love this “my country is better than your country at fighting coronavirus” schtick.

    It’s like an antiviral Olympics.

    I have thought of the casualty table like a grim medals table for some time.
    Oh, don’t get me wrong. I’m no different.

    I’ll be cheering Blighty on all the way.
    Damn right!

    But unlike sport I won't want others to do badly.
  • IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 21,830
    Casino_Royale said:

    AlastairMeeks said:

    Casino_Royale said:

    I love this “my country is better than your country at fighting coronavirus” schtick.

    It’s like an antiviral Olympics.

    I have thought of the casualty table like a grim medals table for some time.
    Oh, don’t get me wrong. I’m no different.

    I’ll be cheering Blighty on all the way.
    Blimey.

    On the buy or sell side, as it were?
  • alex_alex_ Posts: 7,518
    Are both Seant’s operating on here simultaneously at the moment by the way? Reinforcing each other?
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 60,282
    On the nation thing I suspect culture will have more to do with spread once you get past state sophistication.

    Do you think going into work regardless is a sign of commitment? What’s the work culture like? How concerned are people about being seen to be pulling a sickie? How phlegmatic is the social culture? How do people both live and socialise? And so on.. ?

    That’s what makes the stats interesting.
  • kamskikamski Posts: 5,186
    Charles said:

    The nurse on the previous thread who hadn’t been tested

    She’s a potential risk so she’s been quarantined

    That’s the right action. She’s therefore not at risk of spreading

    There are a limited number of kits to give out (that’s a different failure)

    But her complaint is “I’m scared. Why aren’t I at the top of the list?”

    My guess is she’s a healthy women in young-middle age who should have been wearing protective gear and is now in quarantine. That makes her a pretty low risk.

    maybe for now it's the right action and I don't know about this case but

    quarantining all medical staff who are potential risks might soon end up with not enough staff to keep any kind of health services going. we should be prepared to test at risk medical staff every day rather than always quarantining, there's been several weeks to get enough tests together.
  • alex_alex_ Posts: 7,518
    edited March 2020
    Casino_Royale said:

    On the nation thing I suspect culture will have more to do with spread once you get past state sophistication.

    Do you think going into work regardless is a sign of commitment? What’s the work culture like? How concerned are people about being seen to be pulling a sickie? How phlegmatic is the social culture? How do people both live and socialise? And so on.. ?

    That’s what makes the stats interesting.

    Best one was the stat about countries that washed their hands after visiting the toilet.

    Wonder if the French “cheek kiss” greeting might be in for a pounding.
  • TGOHF666TGOHF666 Posts: 2,052
    Mysticrose said:

    TGOHF666 said:

    16 daily deaths in the Uk in 2017 from suicide.

    Doubt covid will match that.

    Not that I like waging money over something so macabre, but do you want to bet on that? £10 to charity by whoever wins?
    No desire to bet on this.

    2017 are the latest figures I can find.

    16 people every single day.

    Covid has claimed 1 person in the Uk.
  • CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758
    TGOHF666 said:

    I’m bored of the Shanghai sniffle already.

    The public would be advised to wash their hands then wean itself off disaster porn news and enjoy life again.

    I was at our latest contingency planning meeting yesterday. First time I’ve been properly scared in a while
  • northern_monkeynorthern_monkey Posts: 1,639
    Off coronavirus:

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2020/mar/06/tory-governments-spend-more-on-london-than-rest-of-england-thinktank

    As I understand it this Neil O'Brien guy did a lot of work oop North when he was an adviser. He's certainly making the right noises. The govt now needs to show this 'levelling up' agenda isn't just a load of bovine ordure. Because if the north doesn't feel some love, and pretty sharpish, all those lovely red wall seats the Tories gained will scream betrayal.

    As ever with this government and its promises, I'll believe it when I see it. I honestly can't see how a party largely grounded in and funded by rich southerners (and furriners) can keep that base happy whilst spaffing money all over the north.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 60,282
    IshmaelZ said:

    Casino_Royale said:

    AlastairMeeks said:

    Casino_Royale said:

    I love this “my country is better than your country at fighting coronavirus” schtick.

    It’s like an antiviral Olympics.

    I have thought of the casualty table like a grim medals table for some time.
    Oh, don’t get me wrong. I’m no different.

    I’ll be cheering Blighty on all the way.
    Blimey.

    On the buy or sell side, as it were?
    I think we’ll be relatively effective at containment. Nor do I think supply chains will break down - panic buying is overdone.

    My concern is critical care for the 10-20%.
  • kamskikamski Posts: 5,186
    TGOHF666 said:

    Mysticrose said:

    TGOHF666 said:

    16 daily deaths in the Uk in 2017 from suicide.

    Doubt covid will match that.

    Not that I like waging money over something so macabre, but do you want to bet on that? £10 to charity by whoever wins?
    No desire to bet on this.

    2017 are the latest figures I can find.

    16 people every single day.

    Covid has claimed 1 person in the Uk.
    surely there's bound to come a time when more than 16 people a day die in the UK from Coronavirus, but not sure how long it will last
  • AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 25,365
    Charles said:

    TGOHF666 said:

    I’m bored of the Shanghai sniffle already.

    The public would be advised to wash their hands then wean itself off disaster porn news and enjoy life again.

    I was at our latest contingency planning meeting yesterday. First time I’ve been properly scared in a while
    Are you over 80 years old ?
  • alex_alex_ Posts: 7,518
    Alanbrooke said:

    Charles said:

    TGOHF666 said:

    I’m bored of the Shanghai sniffle already.

    The public would be advised to wash their hands then wean itself off disaster porn news and enjoy life again.

    I was at our latest contingency planning meeting yesterday. First time I’ve been properly scared in a while
    Are you over 80 years old ?
    71 I reckon ;)
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 122,679
    https://twitter.com/ClimateRealists/status/1235827137589829632?s=20
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 122,679
    https://twitter.com/BernieSanders/status/1235735767323774976?s=20
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 122,679
    edited March 2020
    https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1235748252185739264?s=20

    https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1235768913692065792?s=20
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 122,679
    https://twitter.com/BernieSanders/status/1235755864897867776?s=20
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 122,679
    https://twitter.com/Politics_Polls/status/1235799594254073856?s=20
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 122,679
    https://twitter.com/Politics_Polls/status/1235750643253620737?s=20
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 122,679
    https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1235768913692065792?s=20
  • AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 25,365
    HYUFD said:

    https://twitter.com/Politics_Polls/status/1235750643253620737?s=20

    tough call for the democrats, do they vote Statler or Waldorf
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 18,275
    kamski said:

    TGOHF666 said:

    Mysticrose said:

    TGOHF666 said:

    16 daily deaths in the Uk in 2017 from suicide.

    Doubt covid will match that.

    Not that I like waging money over something so macabre, but do you want to bet on that? £10 to charity by whoever wins?
    No desire to bet on this.

    2017 are the latest figures I can find.

    16 people every single day.

    Covid has claimed 1 person in the Uk.
    surely there's bound to come a time when more than 16 people a day die in the UK from Coronavirus, but not sure how long it will last
    If, roughly speaking, the case fatality rate is 3% and people die a week after being diagnosed, then you'd expect 17 people a day to die a week after there were 567 diagnoses in a single day.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 122,679
    edited March 2020
    https://twitter.com/BernieSanders/status/1235760598673174528?s=20
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 61,751
    Mr. Thompson,

    everybody was Kung Flu fighting
    that disease was fast as lightning
    it was a little bit frightening
    and concerns were heightening

    Mr. Kamski, I think I'm going to stick to worrying about the thing that might kill my parents.
  • nichomarnichomar Posts: 7,483
    Casino_Royale said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    Casino_Royale said:

    AlastairMeeks said:

    Casino_Royale said:

    I love this “my country is better than your country at fighting coronavirus” schtick.

    It’s like an antiviral Olympics.

    I have thought of the casualty table like a grim medals table for some time.
    Oh, don’t get me wrong. I’m no different.

    I’ll be cheering Blighty on all the way.
    Blimey.

    On the buy or sell side, as it were?
    I think we’ll be relatively effective at containment. Nor do I think supply chains will break down - panic buying is overdone.

    My concern is critical care for the 10-20%.
    Remember the virus impact is on top of normal health care requirements, its March so I assume some of the winter pressure is easing off but it does not take an awful lot to rock the system. If the number of ICU attients increased by 10% can the system cope? If rationing is required who will make decisions, there is evidence from Spain that it is devastating in old people’s homes if it gets in. The virus cases number is irrelevant it’s the ability of a system to cope.
  • AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 25,365
    Germany heading off to the left as Merkel sinks lower in the polls. Green, Spd linke coalition would now have a majority.

    https://www.welt.de/politik/deutschland/article206362913/Sonntagsfrage-Gruen-rot-rote-Mehrheit-in-allen-aktuellen-Umfragen.html
  • Fysics_TeacherFysics_Teacher Posts: 6,284
    IshmaelZ said:

    Relieved to see the Telegraph has a story on "Why the Coronavirus could be ruining your hands - How to combat the drying, ageing effects of extreme hand washing." That certainly gets to the nub of it.

    Insert your own Lady MacBeth joke here...
  • noneoftheabovenoneoftheabove Posts: 22,798
    Alanbrooke said:

    Germany heading off to the left as Merkel sinks lower in the polls. Green, Spd linke coalition would now have a majority.

    https://www.welt.de/politik/deutschland/article206362913/Sonntagsfrage-Gruen-rot-rote-Mehrheit-in-allen-aktuellen-Umfragen.html

    How left would that coalition be in UK terms?
  • IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 21,830
    Alanbrooke said:

    Charles said:

    TGOHF666 said:

    I’m bored of the Shanghai sniffle already.

    The public would be advised to wash their hands then wean itself off disaster porn news and enjoy life again.

    I was at our latest contingency planning meeting yesterday. First time I’ve been properly scared in a while
    Are you over 80 years old ?
    What a revealing post.

    That girls are raped, that two boys knife a third
    Were axioms to him, who'd never heard
    Of any world where promises were kept
    Or one could weep because another wept.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 122,679
    edited March 2020
    Alanbrooke said:

    Germany heading off to the left as Merkel sinks lower in the polls. Green, Spd linke coalition would now have a majority.

    https://www.welt.de/politik/deutschland/article206362913/Sonntagsfrage-Gruen-rot-rote-Mehrheit-in-allen-aktuellen-Umfragen.html

    That was also the case in 2005 but the SPD did a deal with the CDU rather than the Linke.

    At the last election CDU plus FDP plus AfD had a majority but the CDU did a deal with the SPD rather than the AfD.

    If the SPD and Greens go into Government with Linke and abandon the centre, some in the CDU and CSU will start to open talks with the AfD post Merkel in response
  • AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 25,365
    noneoftheabove said:

    Alanbrooke said:

    Germany heading off to the left as Merkel sinks lower in the polls. Green, Spd linke coalition would now have a majority.

    https://www.welt.de/politik/deutschland/article206362913/Sonntagsfrage-Gruen-rot-rote-Mehrheit-in-allen-aktuellen-Umfragen.html

    How left would that coalition be in UK terms?
    noneoftheabove said:

    Alanbrooke said:

    Germany heading off to the left as Merkel sinks lower in the polls. Green, Spd linke coalition would now have a majority.

    https://www.welt.de/politik/deutschland/article206362913/Sonntagsfrage-Gruen-rot-rote-Mehrheit-in-allen-aktuellen-Umfragen.html

    How left would that coalition be in UK terms?
    Greens plus Labour plus Momentum

    The German Greens are taking a principled stand by refusing to work with the heirs to Hitler, that's why 'working with the heirs to Stalin.
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 22,005
    edmundintokyo said:

    matt said:

    TGOHF666 said:

    I’m bored of the Shanghai sniffle already.

    The public would be advised to wash their hands then wean itself off disaster porn news and enjoy life again.

    Wuflu works better.
    I liked Maciej Ceglowski's suggestion that you should use the name to communicate a threat vector, for example Filthy Hands Syndrome.
    As there is also a faecal - oral transmission route, how about Rimmers Disease?
  • AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 25,365
    IshmaelZ said:

    Alanbrooke said:

    Charles said:

    TGOHF666 said:

    I’m bored of the Shanghai sniffle already.

    The public would be advised to wash their hands then wean itself off disaster porn news and enjoy life again.

    I was at our latest contingency planning meeting yesterday. First time I’ve been properly scared in a while
    Are you over 80 years old ?
    What a revealing post.

    That girls are raped, that two boys knife a third
    Were axioms to him, who'd never heard
    Of any world where promises were kept
    Or one could weep because another wept.
    I thought all Remainy folk would be happy with something that wiped oldies out quicker ?
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 60,282
    nichomar said:

    Casino_Royale said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    Casino_Royale said:

    AlastairMeeks said:

    Casino_Royale said:

    I love this “my country is better than your country at fighting coronavirus” schtick.

    It’s like an antiviral Olympics.

    I have thought of the casualty table like a grim medals table for some time.
    Oh, don’t get me wrong. I’m no different.

    I’ll be cheering Blighty on all the way.
    Blimey.

    On the buy or sell side, as it were?
    I think we’ll be relatively effective at containment. Nor do I think supply chains will break down - panic buying is overdone.

    My concern is critical care for the 10-20%.
    Remember the virus impact is on top of normal health care requirements, its March so I assume some of the winter pressure is easing off but it does not take an awful lot to rock the system. If the number of ICU attients increased by 10% can the system cope? If rationing is required who will make decisions, there is evidence from Spain that it is devastating in old people’s homes if it gets in. The virus cases number is irrelevant it’s the ability of a system to cope.
    If the government has thought this through (and I’m sure they have) then they can requisition 30-40 large warehouses around the country for up to 6 months using the civil contingencies act and kit them out as emergency hospital inside 2-3 weeks.

    They’d need to draft in extra emergency medical staff of course (they should be put on notice now) and procure/build/buy as many ventilation machines as they possibly can - now.
  • ParistondaParistonda Posts: 1,843
    HYUFD said:

    Alanbrooke said:

    Germany heading off to the left as Merkel sinks lower in the polls. Green, Spd linke coalition would now have a majority.

    https://www.welt.de/politik/deutschland/article206362913/Sonntagsfrage-Gruen-rot-rote-Mehrheit-in-allen-aktuellen-Umfragen.html

    That was also the case in 2005 but the SPD did a deal with the CDU rather than the Linke.

    At the last election CDU plus FDP plus AfD had a majority but the CDU did a deal with the SPD rather than the AfD.

    If the SPD and Greens go into Government with Linke and abandon the centre, some in the CDU and CSU will start to open talks with the AfD post Merkel in response
    Post Merkel they Cdu will almost certainly move towards the AFD anyway. Elecotrally speaking moving towards accommodation with these far right/populist parties has been the trend pretty much everywhere in Europe, and normally allows the mainstream right wing party to end up stronger (like in Austria).
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 95,994
    Philip_Thompson said:

    Mysticrose said:

    Anyone tempted to dismiss the effects on young people will find this a rather graphic wake-up. The first British sufferer, aged 25, describes what it felt like:

    "I was feeling achy," says Connor "I just wanted to curl up into a ball and I had ear problems and sinus problems where it felt like there was a balloon being blown up in my face. And that was probably the worst symptom. It really bothered me.

    "I also had a raking cough. It was terrible. And it was happening so much, I lost my voice. Sometimes, I couldn't make any sound at all. Sometimes, I sounded like a frog."

    He actually felt like he was recovering from the flu and was feeling optimistic about going back to work when one morning he woke up struggling to breathe.

    "It scared me because breathing is a necessity of life, like if you have the flu, you really feel like you're going to die, but you're really not. But when your lungs get affected, that's where it scared me. And I couldn't take a full breath. And the breaths I did take, it sounded like I was breathing through a bag. It was very crackly, and I could only take half breaths. If I walked to the kitchen, for instance, I'd be breathing really shallow and really fast."


    In case we didn't know, it's clearly a bloody nasty virus

    https://news.sky.com/story/fighting-coronavirus-one-of-the-first-british-sufferers-describes-his-ordeal-11950631

    Yes. Like the flu.

    The problem is morons who think every time they have a few sniffles they have the flu, the flu is not a common cold.
    Another one is confusing a basic headache with a migraine. Never had one myself but they seem awful.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 62,607
    I'm getting confused. Does soap and water work on this virus? Do standard carex hand washes work?

    I seem to be seeing stuff now that talks about need for alcohol-based cleaners (60%+).
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 95,994
    HYUFD said:

    https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1235768913692065792?s=20

    Is that all? Taking it's time
  • IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 21,830
    Casino_Royale said:

    nichomar said:

    Casino_Royale said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    Casino_Royale said:

    AlastairMeeks said:

    Casino_Royale said:

    I love this “my country is better than your country at fighting coronavirus” schtick.

    It’s like an antiviral Olympics.

    I have thought of the casualty table like a grim medals table for some time.
    Oh, don’t get me wrong. I’m no different.

    I’ll be cheering Blighty on all the way.
    Blimey.

    On the buy or sell side, as it were?
    I think we’ll be relatively effective at containment. Nor do I think supply chains will break down - panic buying is overdone.

    My concern is critical care for the 10-20%.
    Remember the virus impact is on top of normal health care requirements, its March so I assume some of the winter pressure is easing off but it does not take an awful lot to rock the system. If the number of ICU attients increased by 10% can the system cope? If rationing is required who will make decisions, there is evidence from Spain that it is devastating in old people’s homes if it gets in. The virus cases number is irrelevant it’s the ability of a system to cope.
    If the government has thought this through (and I’m sure they have) then they can requisition 30-40 large warehouses around the country for up to 6 months using the civil contingencies act and kit them out as emergency hospital inside 2-3 weeks.

    They’d need to draft in extra emergency medical staff of course (they should be put on notice now) and procure/build/buy as many ventilation machines as they possibly can - now.
    I would have expected Boris to be loudly investing the NHS Brexit dividend in Borespirators and Borospitals and generally Getting Our Response to Coronavirus Done. The fact that he is not being an arse about it is one of the most worrying facets of the whole situation. Even he thinks it's serious.
  • nichomarnichomar Posts: 7,483
    Casino_Royale said:

    nichomar said:

    Casino_Royale said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    Casino_Royale said:

    AlastairMeeks said:

    Casino_Royale said:

    I love this “my country is better than your country at fighting coronavirus” schtick.

    It’s like an antiviral Olympics.

    I have thought of the casualty table like a grim medals table for some time.
    Oh, don’t get me wrong. I’m no different.

    I’ll be cheering Blighty on all the way.
    Blimey.

    On the buy or sell side, as it were?
    I think we’ll be relatively effective at containment. Nor do I think supply chains will break down - panic buying is overdone.

    My concern is critical care for the 10-20%.
    Remember the virus impact is on top of normal health care requirements, its March so I assume some of the winter pressure is easing off but it does not take an awful lot to rock the system. If the number of ICU attients increased by 10% can the system cope? If rationing is required who will make decisions, there is evidence from Spain that it is devastating in old people’s homes if it gets in. The virus cases number is irrelevant it’s the ability of a system to cope.
    If the government has thought this through (and I’m sure they have) then they can requisition 30-40 large warehouses around the country for up to 6 months using the civil contingencies act and kit them out as emergency hospital inside 2-3 weeks.

    They’d need to draft in extra emergency medical staff of course (they should be put on notice now) and procure/build/buy as many ventilation machines as they possibly can - now.
    Would we expect to be told or would that be seen as scaremongering you’re dammed if you do and dammed if you don’t.
  • IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 21,830
    rottenborough said:

    I'm getting confused. Does soap and water work on this virus? Do standard carex hand washes work?

    I seem to be seeing stuff now that talks about need for alcohol-based cleaners (60%+).

    Soap is fine. Sanitizers are more portable, but not otherwise better

    https://www.google.com/search?q=is+soap+better+than+hand+sanitizer
  • noneoftheabovenoneoftheabove Posts: 22,798
    American man imprisoned for licking ice cream in a shop which he goes on to buy. Very uncouth but probably not worth adding to the worlds biggest prison population.....

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-51762753
  • AlastairMeeksAlastairMeeks Posts: 30,340
    kle4 said:

    Philip_Thompson said:

    Mysticrose said:

    Anyone tempted to dismiss the effects on young people will find this a rather graphic wake-up. The first British sufferer, aged 25, describes what it felt like:

    "I was feeling achy," says Connor "I just wanted to curl up into a ball and I had ear problems and sinus problems where it felt like there was a balloon being blown up in my face. And that was probably the worst symptom. It really bothered me.

    "I also had a raking cough. It was terrible. And it was happening so much, I lost my voice. Sometimes, I couldn't make any sound at all. Sometimes, I sounded like a frog."

    He actually felt like he was recovering from the flu and was feeling optimistic about going back to work when one morning he woke up struggling to breathe.

    "It scared me because breathing is a necessity of life, like if you have the flu, you really feel like you're going to die, but you're really not. But when your lungs get affected, that's where it scared me. And I couldn't take a full breath. And the breaths I did take, it sounded like I was breathing through a bag. It was very crackly, and I could only take half breaths. If I walked to the kitchen, for instance, I'd be breathing really shallow and really fast."


    In case we didn't know, it's clearly a bloody nasty virus

    https://news.sky.com/story/fighting-coronavirus-one-of-the-first-british-sufferers-describes-his-ordeal-11950631

    Yes. Like the flu.

    The problem is morons who think every time they have a few sniffles they have the flu, the flu is not a common cold.
    Another one is confusing a basic headache with a migraine. Never had one myself but they seem awful.
    Migraines do not necessarily give you a headache. A couple of years ago I had an ocular migraine. Not recommended, but I didn't have a headache at all.
  • GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 21,295
    edited March 2020
    IshmaelZ said:

    Alanbrooke said:

    Charles said:

    TGOHF666 said:

    I’m bored of the Shanghai sniffle already.

    The public would be advised to wash their hands then wean itself off disaster porn news and enjoy life again.

    I was at our latest contingency planning meeting yesterday. First time I’ve been properly scared in a while
    Are you over 80 years old ?
    What a revealing post.

    That girls are raped, that two boys knife a third
    Were axioms to him, who'd never heard
    Of any world where promises were kept
    Or one could weep because another wept.
    Had to look that one up.
    The occasional poetry quote on here is one of the most civilised things about PB.
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 18,275
    IshmaelZ said:

    rottenborough said:

    I'm getting confused. Does soap and water work on this virus? Do standard carex hand washes work?

    I seem to be seeing stuff now that talks about need for alcohol-based cleaners (60%+).

    Soap is fine. Sanitizers are more portable, but not otherwise better

    https://www.google.com/search?q=is+soap+better+than+hand+sanitizer
    The main issue with soap is that you have to go to the bathroom to find a sink to use it. Then you have to leave the bathroom which probably involves pulling on a door handle - at which point you need to wash your hands again.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,498
    edited March 2020
    Sort of on topic, there's so many innumerate people in the world and in the media in particular.


    https://twitter.com/TomChivers/status/1235853060158578689
    https://twitter.com/TomChivers/status/1235853435053862914
  • kamskikamski Posts: 5,186
    HYUFD said:

    Alanbrooke said:

    Germany heading off to the left as Merkel sinks lower in the polls. Green, Spd linke coalition would now have a majority.

    https://www.welt.de/politik/deutschland/article206362913/Sonntagsfrage-Gruen-rot-rote-Mehrheit-in-allen-aktuellen-Umfragen.html

    That was also the case in 2005 but the SPD did a deal with the CDU rather than the Linke.

    At the last election CDU plus FDP plus AfD had a majority but the CDU did a deal with the SPD rather than the AfD.

    If the SPD and Greens go into Government with Linke and abandon the centre, some in the CDU and CSU will start to open talks with the AfD post Merkel in response
    The CDU will not do deals with the AfD in those or any other circumstances.
    The SPD and Greens are already governing with die Linke in 3 German states.
    CDU are in coalition with the Greens in 6 German states (3 along with SPD, 1 with FDP).
  • noneoftheabovenoneoftheabove Posts: 22,798
    Alanbrooke said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    Alanbrooke said:

    Charles said:

    TGOHF666 said:

    I’m bored of the Shanghai sniffle already.

    The public would be advised to wash their hands then wean itself off disaster porn news and enjoy life again.

    I was at our latest contingency planning meeting yesterday. First time I’ve been properly scared in a while
    Are you over 80 years old ?
    What a revealing post.

    That girls are raped, that two boys knife a third
    Were axioms to him, who'd never heard
    Of any world where promises were kept
    Or one could weep because another wept.
    I thought all Remainy folk would be happy with something that wiped oldies out quicker ?
    At the very least the oldie remainers wouldnt be ecstatic about it.
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