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I live in the neighbouring constituency.
Uxbridge is not designer metro liberal right-on territory. Strong element of white working and middle class.
BORIS is safe. CON did very well in recent Hillingdon Borough elections.3 -
Plus, the Labour candidate is a complete arse.0
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Doesn't always stop these things happening....MarqueeMark said:Plus, the Labour candidate is a complete arse.
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Ave_it - when did you come back?
I know there are quite a lot of fans of the Crown on here. Just wondering from the bits I've seen - there doesn't seem much focus on the Queen Mother. Strange since we're always told how important she was.0 -
Newsnight doing a long report from Leeds North West which happens to be the seat which is predicted to have the biggest swing from Con to Lab according to the YouGov MRP.
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1yw6ebmYBDx1fVI1DAbfSXXUyK7BLNMUGBwoTbqzSOhg/edit#gid=01 -
Tell that to Nick Clegg.MarqueeMark said:Plus, the Labour candidate is a complete arse.
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Accrington StanleyPhilip_Thompson said:Tories = Liverpool
SNP = Leicester
Labour = Everton
Lib Dems = Altrincham Stanley
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Happened in the future NI at the 1918 Election - there were a couple of seats where SF and the Irish Party endorsed one another despite both being on the ballot. But in Down East the pact broke down and the Unionists won on a split Nationalist vote.Andy_JS said:Interesting that Ivan Lewis in Bury South has endorsed the Conservatives despite being on the ballot paper as an independent.
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Safe as houses. Lot of brexit there.
Next! How’s Mogg doing?
I sense MarkyMark is absolutely right, Tories have south west sown up no Lib Dem revival. No Wells. No Yeovil.. no Taunton. In fact in that part of the world labour are staying labour and not helping Lib Dem’s, so the labour shares will be high as 2017 not tactical.1 -
Seems reminiscent of the failed Lib Dem "Decapitation Strategy" against Michael Howard in 2005. Voters like being represented by party leaders, plus they attract extra protest candidates which merely fragment the opposition further. I would be very surprised if Boris doesn't increase his majority.1
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FPT:
The longer this campaign has gone on, the less inclined I am to vote for any of the three main parties:-
1. Corbyn: no. Lots of reasons - mainly dragging his party into a Far Leftist illiberal anti-Semitic gutter. And the WASPI bribe has really annoyed me.
2. Boris: no. A total charlatan. Has made a Faustian pact with the Hard Brexiteers for the sake of his ambition thereby trashing the main things which made traditional Conservatism worthwhile.
3. Swinson: strategically inept and talking dangerous rubbish over the Gender Recognition Act. Apparently expecting people with gender dysphoria to undergo medical tests is too too ghastly to contemplate but women are expected to put up with having men invade their private spaces and the risk of some of them abusing that. In Lib Dem La-La-land, rape is not as ghastly as being asked questions by a doctor.
In my constituency that leaves the Brexit Party (as if!) or the Greens.
Or the Meeks option - abstaining in person.
What a choice.1 -
Why?Andy_JS said:Newsnight doing a long report from Leeds North West which happens to be the seat which is predicted to have the biggest swing from Con to Lab according to the YouGov MRP.
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1yw6ebmYBDx1fVI1DAbfSXXUyK7BLNMUGBwoTbqzSOhg/edit#gid=00 -
I suspect we'll see quite a few eccentric looking people on the stage come the declaration.dodrade said:Seems reminiscent of the failed Lib Dem "Decapitation Strategy" against Michael Howard in 2005. Voters like being represented by party leaders, plus they attract extra protest candidates which merely fragment the opposition further. I would be very surprised if Boris doesn't increase his majority.
Case of spot the PM.0 -
Think Boris will win by 10% or so, which is still cutting it fine for a Prime Minister.0
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Yeah, but Nick Clegg was born with a birthmark on his arse that reads "KICK ME"......Frank_Booth said:
Tell that to Nick Clegg.MarqueeMark said:Plus, the Labour candidate is a complete arse.
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The WASPI bribe, for me, is the worst policy of the campaign, for all every party bar the Tories (including BXP and UKIP) have said they would do 'something' about the issue. It's aggravated me like no other in its shamelessness, in the even for politics cynical pandering to a group of rather disgraceful campaigners - however they feel they have been wronged their presentation of the issue is misleading to false, and therefore the mawkish moralising they engage in really pisses me off.Cyclefree said:The longer this campaign has gone on, the less inclined I am to vote for any of the three main parties:-
1. Corbyn: no. Lots of reasons - mainly dragging his party into a Far Leftist illiberal anti-Semitic gutter. And the WASPI bribe has really annoyed me.
2. Boris: no. A total charlatan. Has made a Faustian pact with the Hard Brexiteers for the sake of his ambition thereby trashing the main things which made traditional Conservatism worthwhile.
3. Swinson: strategically inept and talking dangerous rubbish over the Gender Recognition Act. Apparently expecting people with gender dysphoria to undergo medical tests is too too ghastly to contemplate but women are expected to put up with having men invade their private spaces and the risk of some of them abusing that. In Lib Dem La-La-land, rape is not as ghastly as being asked questions by a doctor.
In my constituency that leaves the Brexit Party (as if!) or the Greens.
Or the Meeks option - abstaining in person.
What a choice.
Indeed so. For me it means a likely LD pity vote. Swinson issues aside, and some of their policies, they don't get enough credit for at least some sense.Andy_JS said:
My choice at this election is LD or Con. I live in a very safe seat so it won't make any difference, which in some ways gives you more freedom to choose how to vote. It means you don't have to consider voting tactically to keep out a party you don't like.Cyclefree said:The longer this campaign has gone on, the less inclined I am to vote for any of the three main parties:-
1. Corbyn: no. Lots ofy as being asked questions by a doctor.
In my constituency that leaves the Brexit Party (as if!) or the Greens.
Or the Meeks option - abstaining in person.
What a choice.
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Perhaps it was a joke?Sunil_Prasannan said:
Accrington StanleyPhilip_Thompson said:Tories = Liverpool
SNP = Leicester
Labour = Everton
Lib Dems = Altrincham Stanley0 -
It was term time in 2017.....Foxy said:
Lots of students though in term time...Ave_it said:I live in the neighbouring constituency.
Uxbridge is not designer metro liberal right-on territory. Strong element of white working and middle class.
BORIS is safe. CON did very well in recent Hillingdon Borough elections.0 -
Did Labour ever get back to you on the abortion wording in their Manifesto?Cyclefree said:FPT:
The longer this campaign has gone on, the less inclined I am to vote for any of the three main parties:-
1. Corbyn: no. Lots of reasons - mainly dragging his party into a Far Leftist illiberal anti-Semitic gutter. And the WASPI bribe has really annoyed me.
2. Boris: no. A total charlatan. Has made a Faustian pact with the Hard Brexiteers for the sake of his ambition thereby trashing the main things which made traditional Conservatism worthwhile.
3. Swinson: strategically inept and talking dangerous rubbish over the Gender Recognition Act. Apparently expecting people with gender dysphoria to undergo medical tests is too too ghastly to contemplate but women are expected to put up with having men invade their private spaces and the risk of some of them abusing that. In Lib Dem La-La-land, rape is not as ghastly as being asked questions by a doctor.
In my constituency that leaves the Brexit Party (as if!) or the Greens.
Or the Meeks option - abstaining in person.
What a choice.0 -
So your happy with either Boris or Corbyn as PM then.Cyclefree said:FPT:
The longer this campaign has gone on, the less inclined I am to vote for any of the three main parties:-
1. Corbyn: no. Lots of reasons - mainly dragging his party into a Far Leftist illiberal anti-Semitic gutter. And the WASPI bribe has really annoyed me.
2. Boris: no. A total charlatan. Has made a Faustian pact with the Hard Brexiteers for the sake of his ambition thereby trashing the main things which made traditional Conservatism worthwhile.
3. Swinson: strategically inept and talking dangerous rubbish over the Gender Recognition Act. Apparently expecting people with gender dysphoria to undergo medical tests is too too ghastly to contemplate but women are expected to put up with having men invade their private spaces and the risk of some of them abusing that. In Lib Dem La-La-land, rape is not as ghastly as being asked questions by a doctor.
In my constituency that leaves the Brexit Party (as if!) or the Greens.
Or the Meeks option - abstaining in person.
What a choice.0 -
Wonder if we'll see a Cleggasm for JSwinson following her survival of Andrew Neil. Tories could do with the Lib Dems perking up a bit.0
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BoZo wasn't leader then.MarqueeMark said:
It was term time in 2017.....Foxy said:
Lots of students though in term time...Ave_it said:I live in the neighbouring constituency.
Uxbridge is not designer metro liberal right-on territory. Strong element of white working and middle class.
BORIS is safe. CON did very well in recent Hillingdon Borough elections.0 -
I wouldn’t be surprised if the Tories end up with a bigger majority in Uxbridge than they do in Bozza’s old seat of Henley0
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Wonder if Neil Kinnock will appear on election night this year? 0
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Tories could do with Brexit Party crashing some more.Luckyguy1983 said:Wonder if we'll see a Cleggasm for JSwinson following her survival of Andrew Neil. Tories could do with the Lib Dems perking up a bit.
Look at the seats the Tories are projected to just miss - and the 7-8-9% Brexit Party vote in those seats.0 -
Brunel uni is more of a commute to uni then a campus one.Foxy said:
Lots of students though in term time...Ave_it said:I live in the neighbouring constituency.
Uxbridge is not designer metro liberal right-on territory. Strong element of white working and middle class.
BORIS is safe. CON did very well in recent Hillingdon Borough elections.0 -
Students.MarqueeMark said:
Why?Andy_JS said:Newsnight doing a long report from Leeds North West which happens to be the seat which is predicted to have the biggest swing from Con to Lab according to the YouGov MRP.
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1yw6ebmYBDx1fVI1DAbfSXXUyK7BLNMUGBwoTbqzSOhg/edit#gid=00 -
You think there wasn't enough incentive to boot out the Tory heir-presumptive and architect of Brexit in 2017? It's a view......Foxy said:
BoZo wasn't leader then.MarqueeMark said:
It was term time in 2017.....Foxy said:
Lots of students though in term time...Ave_it said:I live in the neighbouring constituency.
Uxbridge is not designer metro liberal right-on territory. Strong element of white working and middle class.
BORIS is safe. CON did very well in recent Hillingdon Borough elections.0 -
Certainly you have a point here, especially with 1. and 3., but in respect of 2. I'd have thought the purpose of such a giveaway would not be to win over more student and young graduate voters, but to motivate them to turnout while, hopefully, not undermining themselves with 1. and 3. If the young are less enthused by the Great Corbyn, a last minute offer might make the difference in quite a few seats if they can get the young out at least to 2017 levels.Brom said:
Yep there is definitely a bribe in the offing, the Tories will be expecting this and many on here have speculated it will be student loan based. I’d say Labour have a few issues with this:FrancisUrquhart said:
There also has to be at least one more attempt at a massive public bribe by Labour.Brom said:The election of course is not over, easy to forget we had 11 and 12 poll leads (alongside some small ones) this time in 2017, not to mention a second terrorist attack. I personally had a breakthrough moment on Monday evening when I started to feel the public was taking note of the Labour giveaway losing traction and the Tory campaign clicking into gear (after a few poor days in Manifesto week).
I would be hugely surprised if the Tory victory percentage is not bigger than 3% last time out but I also feel a 5 or 6% win is possible, both of which in my mind carry a small chance of a hung parliament. There should be zero room for complacency, thinks can unravel very quickly if focus is lost, but I’m hoping every day the status quo continues the Tories will be at the very least piling up a decent postal vote lead.
1. I think they have pushed spending giveaways too far that they have damaged credibility and become detrimental to winning round undecided voters
2. Students and young graduates are on balance not the votes they need, they have them already and by and large they are outside the 2019 battleground
3. The votes they do need if anything will be repelled by giveaways to the young middle classes given they are predominently older voters who had no education beyond 18.
I think with Trump buggering off their best chance to make a dent in the Tory lead has disappeared across the Atlantic so I expect Labour to just double down on the NHS for a few more days and hope it’s somehow newsworthy enough to scare Lab to Tory switchers.0 -
No.MarqueeMark said:
Did Labour ever get back to you on the abortion wording in their Manifesto?Cyclefree said:FPT:
The longer this campaign has gone on, the less inclined I am to vote for any of the three main parties:-
1. Corbyn: no. Lots of reasons - mainly dragging his party into a Far Leftist illiberal anti-Semitic gutter. And the WASPI bribe has really annoyed me.
2. Boris: no. A total charlatan. Has made a Faustian pact with the Hard Brexiteers for the sake of his ambition thereby trashing the main things which made traditional Conservatism worthwhile.
3. Swinson: strategically inept and talking dangerous rubbish over the Gender Recognition Act. Apparently expecting people with gender dysphoria to undergo medical tests is too too ghastly to contemplate but women are expected to put up with having men invade their private spaces and the risk of some of them abusing that. In Lib Dem La-La-land, rape is not as ghastly as being asked questions by a doctor.
In my constituency that leaves the Brexit Party (as if!) or the Greens.
Or the Meeks option - abstaining in person.
What a choice.0 -
Tonight is the equivalent night in the campaign - penultimate Wednesday - that Kinnock attended the infamous Sheffield Rally in 1992.....GIN1138 said:Wonder if Neil Kinnock will appear on election night this year?
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Jonathan said:
So your happy with either Boris or Corbyn as PM then.Cyclefree said:FPT:
The longer this campaign has gone on, the less inclined I am to vote for any of the three main parties:-
1. Corbyn: no. Lots of reasons - mainly dragging his party into a Far Leftist illiberal anti-Semitic gutter. And the WASPI bribe has really annoyed me.
2. Boris: no. A total charlatan. Has made a Faustian pact with the Hard Brexiteers for the sake of his ambition thereby trashing the main things which made traditional Conservatism worthwhile.
3. Swinson: strategically inept and talking dangerous rubbish over the Gender Recognition Act. Apparently expecting people with gender dysphoria to undergo medical tests is too too ghastly to contemplate but women are expected to put up with having men invade their private spaces and the risk of some of them abusing that. In Lib Dem La-La-land, rape is not as ghastly as being asked questions by a doctor.
In my constituency that leaves the Brexit Party (as if!) or the Greens.
Or the Meeks option - abstaining in person.
What a choice.
Quite the contrary. I would like them both to lose. And disappear from the political stage, never to be heard of again.
As I have a Labour MP with a very large majority, my vote is largely pointless.0 -
Sounds like something a cop would sayrottenborough said:0 -
Labour might go big on social care. Huge push in next few days on their plans for a social care service and close integration with NHS.kle4 said:
Certainly you have a point here, especially with 1. and 3., but in respect of 2. I'd have thought the purpose of such a giveaway would not be to win over more student and young graduate voters, but to motivate them to turnout while, hopefully, not undermining themselves with 1. and 3. If the young are less enthused by the Great Corbyn, a last minute offer might make the difference in quite a few seats if they can get the young out at least to 2017 levels.Brom said:
Yep there is definitely a bribe in the offing, the Tories will be expecting this and many on here have speculated it will be student loan based. I’d say Labour have a few issues with this:FrancisUrquhart said:
There also has to be at least one more attempt at a massive public bribe by Labour.Brom said:The election of course is not over, easy to forget we had 11 and 12 poll leads (alongside some small ones) this time in 2017, not to mention a second terrorist attack. I personally had a breakthrough moment on Monday evening when I started to feel the public was taking note of the Labour giveaway losing traction and the Tory campaign clicking into gear (after a few poor days in Manifesto week).
I would be hugely surprised if the Tory victory percentage is not bigger than 3% last time out but I also feel a 5 or 6% win is possible, both of which in my mind carry a small chance of a hung parliament. There should be zero room for complacency, thinks can unravel very quickly if focus is lost, but I’m hoping every day the status quo continues the Tories will be at the very least piling up a decent postal vote lead.
1. I think they have pushed spending giveaways too far that they have damaged credibility and become detrimental to winning round undecided voters
2. Students and young graduates are on balance not the votes they need, they have them already and by and large they are outside the 2019 battleground
3. The votes they do need if anything will be repelled by giveaways to the young middle classes given they are predominently older voters who had no education beyond 18.
I think with Trump buggering off their best chance to make a dent in the Tory lead has disappeared across the Atlantic so I expect Labour to just double down on the NHS for a few more days and hope it’s somehow newsworthy enough to scare Lab to Tory switchers.
Bribe wise, how about an extra week's paid holiday a year guaranteed by law?0 -
Well, she was a prosecutor.Stereotomy said:
Sounds like something a cop would sayrottenborough said:0 -
They're already promising 4 new bank holidays, so it'd be on barnd. That was a carryover from the 2017 manifesto, so they must think it a real winner.rottenborough said:
Labour might go big on social care. Huge push in next few days on their plans for a social care service and close integration with NHS.kle4 said:
Certainly you have a point here, especially with 1. and 3., but in respect of 2. I'd have thought the purpose of such a giveaway would not be to win over more student and young graduate voters, but to motivate them to turnout while, hopefully, not undermining themselves with 1. and 3. If the young are less enthused by the Great Corbyn, a last minute offer might make the difference in quite a few seats if they can get the young out at least to 2017 levels.Brom said:
Yep there is definitely a bribe in the offing, the Tories will be expecting this and many on here have speculated it will be student loan based. I’d say Labour have a few issues with this:FrancisUrquhart said:
There also has to be at least one more attempt at a massive public bribe by Labour.Brom said:The election of course is not over, easy to forget we had 11 and 12 poll leads (alongside some small ones) this time in 2017, not to mention a second terrorist attack. I personally had a breakthrough moment on Monday evening when I started to feel the public was taking note of the Labour giveaway losing traction and the Tory campaign clicking into gear (after a few poor days in Manifesto week).
I would be hugely surprised if the Tory victory percentage is not bigger than 3% last time out but I also feel a 5 or 6% win is possible, both of which in my mind carry a small chance of a hung parliament. There should be zero room for complacency, thinks can unravel very quickly if focus is lost, but I’m hoping every day the status quo continues the Tories will be at the very least piling up a decent postal vote lead.
1. I think they have pushed spending giveaways too far that they have damaged credibility and become detrimental to winning round undecided voters
2. Students and young graduates are on balance not the votes they need, they have them already and by and large they are outside the 2019 battleground
3. The votes they do need if anything will be repelled by giveaways to the young middle classes given they are predominently older voters who had no education beyond 18.
I think with Trump buggering off their best chance to make a dent in the Tory lead has disappeared across the Atlantic so I expect Labour to just double down on the NHS for a few more days and hope it’s somehow newsworthy enough to scare Lab to Tory switchers.
Bribe wise, how about an extra week's paid holiday a year guaranteed by law?0 -
I believe if the boundary changes go ahead then Boris’s seat will become a bit more Labour friendly so there’s the incentive to leave that on the back burner. Though perhaps he fancies just 5 years as PM and can leave that to his Uxbridge replacement to worry about.0
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I know. Part of what damaged her campaign was people calling her a cop online.rpjs said:
Well, she was a prosecutor.Stereotomy said:
Sounds like something a cop would sayrottenborough said:0 -
If you don’t vote, you can’t complain.Cyclefree said:Jonathan said:
So your happy with either Boris or Corbyn as PM then.Cyclefree said:FPT:
The longer this campaign has gone on, the less inclined I am to vote for any of the three main parties:-
1. Corbyn: no. Lots of reasons - mainly dragging his party into a Far Leftist illiberal anti-Semitic gutter. And the WASPI bribe has really annoyed me.
2. Boris: no. A total charlatan. Has made a Faustian pact with the Hard Brexiteers for the sake of his ambition thereby trashing the main things which made traditional Conservatism worthwhile.
3. Swinson: strategically inept and talking dangerous rubbish over the Gender Recognition Act. Apparently expecting people with gender dysphoria to undergo medical tests is too too ghastly to contemplate but women are expected to put up with having men invade their private spaces and the risk of some of them abusing that. In Lib Dem La-La-land, rape is not as ghastly as being asked questions by a doctor.
In my constituency that leaves the Brexit Party (as if!) or the Greens.
Or the Meeks option - abstaining in person.
What a choice.
Quite the contrary. I would like them both to lose. And disappear from the political stage, never to be heard of again.
As I have a Labour MP with a very large majority, my vote is largely pointless.
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Troubling.Cyclefree said:
No.MarqueeMark said:
Did Labour ever get back to you on the abortion wording in their Manifesto?Cyclefree said:FPT:
The longer this campaign has gone on, the less inclined I am to vote for any of the three main parties:-
1. Corbyn: no. Lots of reasons - mainly dragging his party into a Far Leftist illiberal anti-Semitic gutter. And the WASPI bribe has really annoyed me.
2. Boris: no. A total charlatan. Has made a Faustian pact with the Hard Brexiteers for the sake of his ambition thereby trashing the main things which made traditional Conservatism worthwhile.
3. Swinson: strategically inept and talking dangerous rubbish over the Gender Recognition Act. Apparently expecting people with gender dysphoria to undergo medical tests is too too ghastly to contemplate but women are expected to put up with having men invade their private spaces and the risk of some of them abusing that. In Lib Dem La-La-land, rape is not as ghastly as being asked questions by a doctor.
In my constituency that leaves the Brexit Party (as if!) or the Greens.
Or the Meeks option - abstaining in person.
What a choice.0 -
Dad? Dad, is that you?????Jonathan said:
If you don’t vote, you can’t complain.Cyclefree said:Jonathan said:
So your happy with either Boris or Corbyn as PM then.Cyclefree said:FPT:
The longer this campaign has gone on, the less inclined I am to vote for any of the three main parties:-
1. Corbyn: no. Lots of reasons - mainly dragging his party into a Far Leftist illiberal anti-Semitic gutter. And the WASPI bribe has really annoyed me.
2. Boris: no. A total charlatan. Has made a Faustian pact with the Hard Brexiteers for the sake of his ambition thereby trashing the main things which made traditional Conservatism worthwhile.
3. Swinson: strategically inept and talking dangerous rubbish over the Gender Recognition Act. Apparently expecting people with gender dysphoria to undergo medical tests is too too ghastly to contemplate but women are expected to put up with having men invade their private spaces and the risk of some of them abusing that. In Lib Dem La-La-land, rape is not as ghastly as being asked questions by a doctor.
In my constituency that leaves the Brexit Party (as if!) or the Greens.
Or the Meeks option - abstaining in person.
What a choice.
Quite the contrary. I would like them both to lose. And disappear from the political stage, never to be heard of again.
As I have a Labour MP with a very large majority, my vote is largely pointless.1 -
A lot of fingers need to be pointed at the Labour and Conservative parties who have provided us with perhaps the two most pathetically useless prime ministerial candidates there have been in a modern election.Jonathan said:
If you don’t vote, you can’t complain.Cyclefree said:Jonathan said:
So your happy with either Boris or Corbyn as PM then.Cyclefree said:FPT:
The longer this campaign has gone on, the less inclined I am to vote for any of the three main parties:-
1. Corbyn: no. Lots of reasons - mainly dragging his party into a Far Leftist illiberal anti-Semitic gutter. And the WASPI bribe has really annoyed me.
2. Boris: no. A total charlatan. Has made a Faustian pact with the Hard Brexiteers for the sake of his ambition thereby trashing the main things which made traditional Conservatism worthwhile.
3. Swinson: strategically inept and talking dangerous rubbish over the Gender Recognition Act. Apparently expecting people with gender dysphoria to undergo medical tests is too too ghastly to contemplate but women are expected to put up with having men invade their private spaces and the risk of some of them abusing that. In Lib Dem La-La-land, rape is not as ghastly as being asked questions by a doctor.
In my constituency that leaves the Brexit Party (as if!) or the Greens.
Or the Meeks option - abstaining in person.
What a choice.
Quite the contrary. I would like them both to lose. And disappear from the political stage, never to be heard of again.
As I have a Labour MP with a very large majority, my vote is largely pointless.0 -
My money is on oh yes she can! Just wait for the thread headers....Jonathan said:
If you don’t vote, you can’t complain.Cyclefree said:Jonathan said:
So your happy with either Boris or Corbyn as PM then.Cyclefree said:FPT:
The longer this campaign has gone on, the less inclined I am to vote for any of the three main parties:-
1. Corbyn: no. Lots of reasons - mainly dragging his party into a Far Leftist illiberal anti-Semitic gutter. And the WASPI bribe has really annoyed me.
2. Boris: no. A total charlatan. Has made a Faustian pact with the Hard Brexiteers for the sake of his ambition thereby trashing the main things which made traditional Conservatism worthwhile.
3. Swinson: strategically inept and talking dangerous rubbish over the Gender Recognition Act. Apparently expecting people with gender dysphoria to undergo medical tests is too too ghastly to contemplate but women are expected to put up with having men invade their private spaces and the risk of some of them abusing that. In Lib Dem La-La-land, rape is not as ghastly as being asked questions by a doctor.
In my constituency that leaves the Brexit Party (as if!) or the Greens.
Or the Meeks option - abstaining in person.
What a choice.
Quite the contrary. I would like them both to lose. And disappear from the political stage, never to be heard of again.
As I have a Labour MP with a very large majority, my vote is largely pointless.
Draw a cock and balls against the Brexit Party candidate. Really lavish some attention on it.
"I'm protesting against my protest vote..."0 -
It has the perfect mix for Labour: students, young people, EMs, graduates, public sector workers, etc. Also, the LD MP from 2005 to 2017 Greg Mulholland isn't standing this time, so his personal vote will disappear.MarqueeMark said:
Why?Andy_JS said:Newsnight doing a long report from Leeds North West which happens to be the seat which is predicted to have the biggest swing from Con to Lab according to the YouGov MRP.
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1yw6ebmYBDx1fVI1DAbfSXXUyK7BLNMUGBwoTbqzSOhg/edit#gid=00 -
I'm confused, do you believe that trans women are women, and trans men are men, or not?Cyclefree said:3. Swinson: strategically inept and talking dangerous rubbish over the Gender Recognition Act. Apparently expecting people with gender dysphoria to undergo medical tests is too too ghastly to contemplate but women are expected to put up with having men invade their private spaces and the risk of some of them abusing that. In Lib Dem La-La-land, rape is not as ghastly as being asked questions by a doctor.
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Vote for someone else.Frank_Booth said:
A lot of fingers need to be pointed at the Labour and Conservative parties who have provided us with perhaps the two most pathetically useless prime ministerial candidates there have been in a modern election.Jonathan said:
If you don’t vote, you can’t complain.Cyclefree said:Jonathan said:
So your happy with either Boris or Corbyn as PM then.Cyclefree said:FPT:
The longer this campaign has gone on, the less inclined I am to vote for any of the three main parties:-
1. Corbyn: no. Lots of reasons - mainly dragging his party into a Far Leftist illiberal anti-Semitic gutter. And the WASPI bribe has really annoyed me.
2. Boris: no. A total charlatan. Has made a Faustian pact with the Hard Brexiteers for the sake of his ambition thereby trashing the main things which made traditional Conservatism worthwhile.
3. Swinson: strategically inept and talking dangerous rubbish over the Gender Recognition Act. Apparently expecting people with gender dysphoria to undergo medical tests is too too ghastly to contemplate but women are expected to put up with having men invade their private spaces and the risk of some of them abusing that. In Lib Dem La-La-land, rape is not as ghastly as being asked questions by a doctor.
In my constituency that leaves the Brexit Party (as if!) or the Greens.
Or the Meeks option - abstaining in person.
What a choice.
Quite the contrary. I would like them both to lose. And disappear from the political stage, never to be heard of again.
As I have a Labour MP with a very large majority, my vote is largely pointless.
The problem with abstaining is that someone will still be elected. There will be a government. None of the above is not an outcome. Abstention is acceptance.
Pick the least worst.0 -
Nick Clegg's fatal mistake was trusting the Tories, I doubt the Lib Dems will ever make that mistake again (likewise the DUP).MarqueeMark said:
Yeah, but Nick Clegg was born with a birthmark on his arse that reads "KICK ME"......Frank_Booth said:
Tell that to Nick Clegg.MarqueeMark said:Plus, the Labour candidate is a complete arse.
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Go to bed, it’s past your bedtime.AramintaMoonbeamQC said:
Dad? Dad, is that you?????Jonathan said:
If you don’t vote, you can’t complain.Cyclefree said:Jonathan said:
So your happy with either Boris or Corbyn as PM then.Cyclefree said:FPT:
The longer this campaign has gone on, the less inclined I am to vote for any of the three main parties:-
1. Corbyn: no. Lots of reasons - mainly dragging his party into a Far Leftist illiberal anti-Semitic gutter. And the WASPI bribe has really annoyed me.
2. Boris: no. A total charlatan. Has made a Faustian pact with the Hard Brexiteers for the sake of his ambition thereby trashing the main things which made traditional Conservatism worthwhile.
3. Swinson: strategically inept and talking dangerous rubbish over the Gender Recognition Act. Apparently expecting people with gender dysphoria to undergo medical tests is too too ghastly to contemplate but women are expected to put up with having men invade their private spaces and the risk of some of them abusing that. In Lib Dem La-La-land, rape is not as ghastly as being asked questions by a doctor.
In my constituency that leaves the Brexit Party (as if!) or the Greens.
Or the Meeks option - abstaining in person.
What a choice.
Quite the contrary. I would like them both to lose. And disappear from the political stage, never to be heard of again.
As I have a Labour MP with a very large majority, my vote is largely pointless.2 -
https://twitter.com/Lucy4BurySouth/status/1202322226378428418
Then elect a leader who can win and you can deal with these pressing issues.0 -
When the only choice our rotten system gives us Corbyn or Johnson not voting seems the emminently most sensible thing to do. I certainly won't be troubling the polling office staff next week but it won't stop me criticising the next government.Jonathan said:
If you don’t vote, you can’t complain.Cyclefree said:Jonathan said:
So your happy with either Boris or Corbyn as PM then.Cyclefree said:FPT:
The longer this campaign has gone on, the less inclined I am to vote for any of the three main parties:-
1. Corbyn: no. Lots of reasons - mainly dragging his party into a Far Leftist illiberal anti-Semitic gutter. And the WASPI bribe has really annoyed me.
2. Boris: no. A total charlatan. Has made a Faustian pact with the Hard Brexiteers for the sake of his ambition thereby trashing the main things which made traditional Conservatism worthwhile.
3. Swinson: strategically inept and talking dangerous rubbish over the Gender Recognition Act. Apparently expecting people with gender dysphoria to undergo medical tests is too too ghastly to contemplate but women are expected to put up with having men invade their private spaces and the risk of some of them abusing that. In Lib Dem La-La-land, rape is not as ghastly as being asked questions by a doctor.
In my constituency that leaves the Brexit Party (as if!) or the Greens.
Or the Meeks option - abstaining in person.
What a choice.
Quite the contrary. I would like them both to lose. And disappear from the political stage, never to be heard of again.
As I have a Labour MP with a very large majority, my vote is largely pointless.
Perhaps I won't need to, what could possibly go wrong with Bozo as PM, Patel as Home Sec and Raab as Foreign Sec?0 -
A good question for Sarah Wollaston tonight on NewsnightStereotomy said:
I'm confused, do you believe that trans women are women, and trans men are men, or not?Cyclefree said:3. Swinson: strategically inept and talking dangerous rubbish over the Gender Recognition Act. Apparently expecting people with gender dysphoria to undergo medical tests is too too ghastly to contemplate but women are expected to put up with having men invade their private spaces and the risk of some of them abusing that. In Lib Dem La-La-land, rape is not as ghastly as being asked questions by a doctor.
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So when Boris screws it up, you’ll look back with pride at doing nothing to stop it when you had the chance?OllyT said:
When the only choice our rotten system gives us Corbyn or Johnson not voting seems the emminently most sensible thing to do. I certainly won't be troubling the polling office staff next week but it won't stop me criticising the next government.Jonathan said:
If you don’t vote, you can’t complain.Cyclefree said:Jonathan said:
So your happy with either Boris or Corbyn as PM then.Cyclefree said:FPT:
The longer this campaign has gone on, the less inclined I am to vote for any of the three main parties:-
1. Corbyn: no. Lots of reasons - mainly dragging his party into a Far Leftist illiberal anti-Semitic gutter. And the WASPI bribe has really annoyed me.
2. Boris: no. A total charlatan. Has made a Faustian pact with the Hard Brexiteers for the sake of his ambition thereby trashing the main things which made traditional Conservatism worthwhile.
3. Swinson: strategically inept and talking dangerous rubbish over the Gender Recognition Act. Apparently expecting people with gender dysphoria to undergo medical tests is too too ghastly to contemplate but women are expected to put up with having men invade their private spaces and the risk of some of them abusing that. In Lib Dem La-La-land, rape is not as ghastly as being asked questions by a doctor.
In my constituency that leaves the Brexit Party (as if!) or the Greens.
Or the Meeks option - abstaining in person.
What a choice.
Quite the contrary. I would like them both to lose. And disappear from the political stage, never to be heard of again.
As I have a Labour MP with a very large majority, my vote is largely pointless.
Perhaps I not need to, what could possibly go wrong with Bozo as PM, Patelas Home Sec and Raab as Foreign Sec?0 -
Look at the share, not the lead:
- Nine polls fieldwork ending 25-29 Nov: Lab was at 34% in four of these nine polls
- Six polls fieldwork ending after 29 Nov: Lab only at 34% (*) in one of these six polls
(*) Actually got 35%, but below 34% in all others
Far too early to be confident of anything - but it's a sign Lab has at least flatlined and may have just started to turn down.0 -
What choice do we have?Jonathan said:
So when Boris screws it up, you’ll look back with pride at doing nothing to stop it when you had the chance?OllyT said:
When the only choice our rotten system gives us Corbyn or Johnson not voting seems the emminently most sensible thing to do. I certainly won't be troubling the polling office staff next week but it won't stop me criticising the next government.Jonathan said:
If you don’t vote, you can’t complain.Cyclefree said:Jonathan said:
So your happy with either Boris or Corbyn as PM then.Cyclefree said:FPT:
The longer this campaign has gone on, the less inclined I am to vote for any of the three main parties:-
1. Corbyn: no. Lots of reasons - mainly dragging his party into a Far Leftist illiberal anti-Semitic gutter. And the WASPI bribe has really annoyed me.
2. Boris: no. A total charlatan. Has made a Faustian pact with the Hard Brexiteers for the sake of his ambition thereby trashing the main things which made traditional Conservatism worthwhile.
3. Swinson: strategically inept and talking dangerous rubbish over the Gender Recognition Act. Apparently expecting people with gender dysphoria to undergo medical tests is too too ghastly to contemplate but women are expected to put up with having men invade their private spaces and the risk of some of them abusing that. In Lib Dem La-La-land, rape is not as ghastly as being asked questions by a doctor.
In my constituency that leaves the Brexit Party (as if!) or the Greens.
Or the Meeks option - abstaining in person.
What a choice.
Quite the contrary. I would like them both to lose. And disappear from the political stage, never to be heard of again.
As I have a Labour MP with a very large majority, my vote is largely pointless.
Perhaps I not need to, what could possibly go wrong with Bozo as PM, Patelas Home Sec and Raab as Foreign Sec?
The other choice is Corbyn
If only people had not enabled him in 20170 -
Con Most Seats has gone 1.04 today for the first time.0
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People are not stupid.rottenborough said:
Labour might go big on social care. Huge push in next few days on their plans for a social care service and close integration with NHS.kle4 said:
Certainly you have a point here, especially with 1. and 3., but in respect of 2. I'd have thought the purpose of such a giveaway would not be to win over more student and young graduate voters, but to motivate them to turnout while, hopefully, not undermining themselves with 1. and 3. If the young are less enthused by the Great Corbyn, a last minute offer might make the difference in quite a few seats if they can get the young out at least to 2017 levels.Brom said:
Yep there is definitely a bribe in the offing, the Tories will be expecting this and many on here have speculated it will be student loan based. I’d say Labour have a few issues with this:FrancisUrquhart said:
There also has to be at least one more attempt at a massive public bribe by Labour.Brom said:The election of course is not over, easy to forget we had 11 and 12 poll leads (alongside some small ones) this time in 2017, not to mention a second terrorist attack. I personally had a breakthrough moment on Monday evening when I started to feel the public was taking note of the Labour giveaway losing traction and the Tory campaign clicking into gear (after a few poor days in Manifesto week).
I would be hugely surprised if the Tory victory percentage is not bigger than 3% last time out but I also feel a 5 or 6% win is possible, both of which in my mind carry a small chance of a hung parliament. There should be zero room for complacency, thinks can unravel very quickly if focus is lost, but I’m hoping every day the status quo continues the Tories will be at the very least piling up a decent postal vote lead.
1. I think they have pushed spending giveaways too far that they have damaged credibility and become detrimental to winning round undecided voters
2. Students and young graduates are on balance not the votes they need, they have them already and by and large they are outside the 2019 battleground
3. The votes they do need if anything will be repelled by giveaways to the young middle classes given they are predominently older voters who had no education beyond 18.
I think with Trump buggering off their best chance to make a dent in the Tory lead has disappeared across the Atlantic so I expect Labour to just double down on the NHS for a few more days and hope it’s somehow newsworthy enough to scare Lab to Tory switchers.
Bribe wise, how about an extra week's paid holiday a year guaranteed by law?
Well, not enough of them to suit labour anyway.
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The voters fatal mistake was trusting Nick Clegg,particularly the young voters that believed his lies about scrapping tuition fees.OllyT said:
Nick Clegg's fatal mistake was trusting the Tories, I doubt the Lib Dems will ever make that mistake again (likewise the DUP).MarqueeMark said:
Yeah, but Nick Clegg was born with a birthmark on his arse that reads "KICK ME"......Frank_Booth said:
Tell that to Nick Clegg.MarqueeMark said:Plus, the Labour candidate is a complete arse.
Remember every single Lib Dem MP made a personal pledge with all the razzmatazz that went with it, Clegg go into coalition where he could deliver his promise & then tripled fees.0 -
You can vote against both, it is possible. To abstain is to accept.Floater said:
What choice do we have?Jonathan said:
So when Boris screws it up, you’ll look back with pride at doing nothing to stop it when you had the chance?OllyT said:
When the only choice our rotten system gives us Corbyn or Johnson not voting seems the emminently most sensible thing to do. I certainly won't be troubling the polling office staff next week but it won't stop me criticising the next government.Jonathan said:
If you don’t vote, you can’t complain.Cyclefree said:Jonathan said:
So your happy with either Boris or Corbyn as PM then.Cyclefree said:FPT:
The longer this campaign has gone on, the less inclined I am to vote for any of the three main parties:-
1. Corbyn: no. Lots of reasons - mainly dragging his party into a Far Leftist illiberal anti-Semitic gutter. And the WASPI bribe has really annoyed me.
2. Boris: no. A total charlatan. Has made a Faustian pact with the Hard Brexiteers for the sake of his ambition thereby trashing the main things which made traditional Conservatism worthwhile.
3. Swinson: strategically inept and talking dangerous rubbish over the Gender Recognition Act. Apparently expecting people with gender dysphoria to undergo medical tests is too too ghastly to contemplate but women are expected to put up with having men invade their private spaces and the risk of some of them abusing that. In Lib Dem La-La-land, rape is not as ghastly as being asked questions by a doctor.
In my constituency that leaves the Brexit Party (as if!) or the Greens.
Or the Meeks option - abstaining in person.
What a choice.
Quite the contrary. I would like them both to lose. And disappear from the political stage, never to be heard of again.
As I have a Labour MP with a very large majority, my vote is largely pointless.
Perhaps I not need to, what could possibly go wrong with Bozo as PM, Patelas Home Sec and Raab as Foreign Sec?
The other choice is Corbyn
If only people had not enabled him in 2017
Depressing turnout of the anti Tory vote is a clear, obvious goal of the Conservative campaign. Why reward them and do what they want you to do?0 -
I had hoped the reports were not true.Cyclefree said:
No.MarqueeMark said:
Did Labour ever get back to you on the abortion wording in their Manifesto?Cyclefree said:FPT:
The longer this campaign has gone on, the less inclined I am to vote for any of the three main parties:-
1. Corbyn: no. Lots of reasons - mainly dragging his party into a Far Leftist illiberal anti-Semitic gutter. And the WASPI bribe has really annoyed me.
2. Boris: no. A total charlatan. Has made a Faustian pact with the Hard Brexiteers for the sake of his ambition thereby trashing the main things which made traditional Conservatism worthwhile.
3. Swinson: strategically inept and talking dangerous rubbish over the Gender Recognition Act. Apparently expecting people with gender dysphoria to undergo medical tests is too too ghastly to contemplate but women are expected to put up with having men invade their private spaces and the risk of some of them abusing that. In Lib Dem La-La-land, rape is not as ghastly as being asked questions by a doctor.
In my constituency that leaves the Brexit Party (as if!) or the Greens.
Or the Meeks option - abstaining in person.
What a choice.
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I mean, that is just free money. 4% return in 7 days. I can't even begin to imagine the size of the polling error or intervening event which would be needed for that not to happen. Literally a polling error of 7-8% (i.e. Tories 7.5% too high AND Labour 7.5% too low) might be needed.MikeL said:Con Most Seats has gone 1.04 today for the first time.
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Whenever moaning centrist sorts whip out that ‘chaos with Ed Miliband’ tweet, I’m keen to remind them that the idiot Miliband managed to change the Labour leadership rules allowing for entryism and Corbynism. Oh and Sadiq Khan endorsing Corbyn for leader and buggering off didn’t help. Ultimately Ed Miliband lost an unlosable election with just 30% of the vote and then screwed up Labour by opening the door to Momentum to potentially lose 2 further elections. Miliband is more than anyone to blame for the public reluctantly voting Tory time and time again.Floater said:
What choice do we have?Jonathan said:
So when Boris screws it up, you’ll look back with pride at doing nothing to stop it when you had the chance?OllyT said:
When the only choice our rotten system gives us Corbyn or Johnson not voting seems the emminently most sensible thing to do. I certainly won't be troubling the polling office staff next week but it won't stop me criticising the next government.Jonathan said:
If you don’t vote, you can’t complain.Cyclefree said:Jonathan said:
So your happy with either Boris or Corbyn as PM then.Cyclefree said:FPT:
The longer this campaign has gone on, the less inclined I am to vote for any of the three main parties:-
1. Corbyn: no. Lots of reasons - mainly dragging his party into a Far Leftist illiberal anti-Semitic gutter. And the WASPI bribe has really annoyed me.
2. Boris: no. A total charlatan. Has made a Faustian pact with the Hard Brexiteers for the sake of his ambition thereby trashing the main things which made traditional Conservatism worthwhile.
3. Swinson: strategically inept and talking dangerous rubbish over the Gender Recognition Act. Apparently expecting people with gender dysphoria to undergo medical tests is too too ghastly to contemplate but women are expected to put up with having men invade their private spaces and the risk of some of them abusing that. In Lib Dem La-La-land, rape is not as ghastly as being asked questions by a doctor.
In my constituency that leaves the Brexit Party (as if!) or the Greens.
Or the Meeks option - abstaining in person.
What a choice.
Quite the contrary. I would like them both to lose. And disappear from the political stage, never to be heard of again.
As I have a Labour MP with a very large majority, my vote is largely pointless.
Perhaps I not need to, what could possibly go wrong with Bozo as PM, Patelas Home Sec and Raab as Foreign Sec?
The other choice is Corbyn
If only people had not enabled him in 20172 -
Definitely flatlining - https://imgur.com/NZlI7mRMikeL said:Look at the share, not the lead:
- Nine polls fieldwork ending 25-29 Nov: Lab was at 34% in four of these nine polls
- Six polls fieldwork ending after 29 Nov: Lab only at 34% (*) in one of these six polls
(*) Actually got 35%, but below 34% in all others
Far too early to be confident of anything - but it's a sign Lab has at least flatlined and may have just started to turn down.
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Because letting Corbyn and his vile followers anywhere near power makes my skin crawlJonathan said:
You can vote against both, it is possible. To abstain is to accept.Floater said:
What choice do we have?Jonathan said:
So when Boris screws it up, you’ll look back with pride at doing nothing to stop it when you had the chance?OllyT said:
When the only choice our rotten system gives us Corbyn or Johnson not voting seems the emminently most sensible thing to do. I certainly won't be troubling the polling office staff next week but it won't stop me criticising the next government.Jonathan said:
If you don’t vote, you can’t complain.Cyclefree said:Jonathan said:
So your happy with either Boris or Corbyn as PM then.Cyclefree said:FPT:
The longer this campaign has gone on, the less inclined I am to vote for any of the three main parties:-
1. Corbyn: no. Lots of reasons - mainly dragging his party into a Far Leftist illiberal anti-Semitic gutter. And the WASPI bribe has really annoyed me.
2. Boris: no. A total charlatan. Has made a Faustian pact with the Hard Brexiteers for the sake of his ambition thereby trashing the main things which made traditional Conservatism worthwhile.
3. Swinson: strategically inept and talking dangerous rubbish over the Gender Recognition Act. Apparently expecting people with gender dysphoria to undergo medical tests is too too ghastly to contemplate but women are expected to put up with having men invade their private spaces and the risk of some of them abusing that. In Lib Dem La-La-land, rape is not as ghastly as being asked questions by a doctor.
In my constituency that leaves the Brexit Party (as if!) or the Greens.
Or the Meeks option - abstaining in person.
What a choice.
Quite the contrary. I would like them both to lose. And disappear from the political stage, never to be heard of again.
As I have a Labour MP with a very large majority, my vote is largely pointless.
Perhaps I not need to, what could possibly go wrong with Bozo as PM, Patelas Home Sec and Raab as Foreign Sec?
The other choice is Corbyn
If only people had not enabled him in 2017
Depressing turnout of the anti Tory vote is a clear, obvious goal of the Conservative campaign. Why reward them and do what they want you to do?0 -
As yet undecided.MarqueeMark said:
Did Labour ever get back to you on the abortion wording in their Manifesto?Cyclefree said:FPT:
The longer this campaign has gone on, the less inclined I am to vote for any of the three main parties:-
1. Corbyn: no. Lots of reasons - mainly dragging his party into a Far Leftist illiberal anti-Semitic gutter. And the WASPI bribe has really annoyed me.
2. Boris: no. A total charlatan. Has made a Faustian pact with the Hard Brexiteers for the sake of his ambition thereby trashing the main things which made traditional Conservatism worthwhile.
3. Swinson: strategically inept and talking dangerous rubbish over the Gender Recognition Act. Apparently expecting people with gender dysphoria to undergo medical tests is too too ghastly to contemplate but women are expected to put up with having men invade their private spaces and the risk of some of them abusing that. In Lib Dem La-La-land, rape is not as ghastly as being asked questions by a doctor.
In my constituency that leaves the Brexit Party (as if!) or the Greens.
Or the Meeks option - abstaining in person.
What a choice.0 -
From your perspective, perhaps voting Green makes sense? You'll slightly depress the vote share of the other parties that you dislike, and although Green policies are pretty OTT, you may feel that they're OTT in the right general direction, and pro-Remain as well?Cyclefree said:FPT:
The longer this campaign has gone on, the less inclined I am to vote for any of the three main parties:-
1. Corbyn: no. Lots of reasons - mainly dragging his party into a Far Leftist illiberal anti-Semitic gutter. And the WASPI bribe has really annoyed me.
2. Boris: no. A total charlatan. Has made a Faustian pact with the Hard Brexiteers for the sake of his ambition thereby trashing the main things which made traditional Conservatism worthwhile.
3. Swinson: strategically inept and talking dangerous rubbish over the Gender Recognition Act. Apparently expecting people with gender dysphoria to undergo medical tests is too too ghastly to contemplate but women are expected to put up with having men invade their private spaces and the risk of some of them abusing that. In Lib Dem La-La-land, rape is not as ghastly as being asked questions by a doctor.
In my constituency that leaves the Brexit Party (as if!) or the Greens.
Or the Meeks option - abstaining in person.
What a choice.
Personally I think you're mistaken in letting the party leaders determine your choice. We don't have a presidential system, and while Boris's purge may have neutered his backbenchers, none of the leaders can totally rely on their parties.0 -
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Oi, where's all the multiple grey shades lines of text gone? Missing it already.0
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Comres tonight projects the biggest Tory majority since 1987 and the lowest number of Labour MPs since 1935 prompting for the actual candidates in each seat https://twitter.com/flaviblePolitic/status/1202333974686785545?s=200
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I would take no pride in having any part in electing a Corbyn or a Bozo government.Jonathan said:
So when Boris screws it up, you’ll look back with pride at doing nothing to stop it when you had the chance?OllyT said:
When the only choice our rotten system gives us Corbyn or Johnson not voting seems the emminently most sensible thing to do. I certainly won't be troubling the polling office staff next week but it won't stop me criticising the next government.Jonathan said:
If you don’t vote, you can’t complain.Cyclefree said:Jonathan said:
So your happy with either Boris or Corbyn as PM then.Cyclefree said:FPT:
The longer this campaign has gone on, the less inclined I am to vote for any of the three main parties:-
1. Corbyn: no. Lots of reasons - mainly dragging his party into a Far Leftist illiberal anti-Semitic gutter. And the WASPI bribe has really annoyed me.
2. Boris: no. A total charlatan. Has made a Faustian pact with the Hard Brexiteers for the sake of his ambition thereby trashing the main things which made traditional Conservatism worthwhile.
3. Swinson: strategically inept and talking dangerous rubbish over the Gender Recognition Act. Apparently expecting people with gender dysphoria to undergo medical tests is too too ghastly to contemplate but women are expected to put up with having men invade their private spaces and the risk of some of them abusing that. In Lib Dem La-La-land, rape is not as ghastly as being asked questions by a doctor.
In my constituency that leaves the Brexit Party (as if!) or the Greens.
Or the Meeks option - abstaining in person.
What a choice.
Quite the contrary. I would like them both to lose. And disappear from the political stage, never to be heard of again.
As I have a Labour MP with a very large majority, my vote is largely pointless.
Perhaps I not need to, what could possibly go wrong with Bozo as PM, Patelas Home Sec and Raab as Foreign Sec?
A big loss is the only hope of the Labour Party coming to its senses.0 -
Spot on,it was Miliband that moved the goalposts with his £ 3 vote for all Labour supporters!Brom said:
Whenever moaning centrist sorts whip out that ‘chaos with Ed Miliband’ tweet, I’m keen to remind them that the idiot Miliband managed to change the Labour leadership rules allowing for entryism and Corbynism. Oh and Sadiq Khan endorsing Corbyn for leader and buggering off didn’t help. Ultimately Ed Miliband lost an unlosable election with just 30% of the vote and then screwed up Labour by opening the door to Momentum to potentially lose 2 further elections. Miliband is more than anyone to blame for the public reluctantly voting Tory time and time again.Floater said:
What choice do we have?Jonathan said:
So when Boris screws it up, you’ll look back with pride at doing nothing to stop it when you had the chance?OllyT said:
When the only choice our rotten system gives us Corbyn or Johnson not voting seems the emminently most sensible thing to do. I certainly won't be troubling the polling office staff next week but it won't stop me criticising the next government.Jonathan said:
If you don’t vote, you can’t complain.Cyclefree said:Jonathan said:
So your happy with either Boris or Corbyn as PM then.Cyclefree said:FPT:
The longer this campaign has gone on, the less inclined I am to vote for any of the three main parties:-
1. Corbyn: no. Lots of reasons - mainly dragging his party into a Far Leftist illiberal anti-Semitic gutter. And the WASPI bribe has really annoyed me.
2. Boris: no. A total charlatan. Has made a Faustian pact with the Hard Brexiteers for the sake of his ambition thereby trashing the main things which made traditional Conservatism worthwhile.
3. Swinson: strategically inept and talking dangerous rubbish over the Gender Recognition Act. Apparently expecting people with gender dysphoria to undergo medical tests is too too ghastly to contemplate but women are expected to put up with having men invade their private spaces and the risk of some of them abusing that. In Lib Dem La-La-land, rape is not as ghastly as being asked questions by a doctor.
In my constituency that leaves the Brexit Party (as if!) or the Greens.
Or the Meeks option - abstaining in person.
What a choice.
Quite the contrary. I would like them both to lose. And disappear from the political stage, never to be heard of again.
As I have a Labour MP with a very large majority, my vote is largely pointless.
Perhaps I not need to, what could possibly go wrong with Bozo as PM, Patelas Home Sec and Raab as Foreign Sec?
The other choice is Corbyn
If only people had not enabled him in 20170 -
funkhauser said:
The voters fatal mistake was trusting Nick Clegg,particularly the young voters that believed his lies about scrapping tuition fees.OllyT said:
Nick Clegg's fatal mistake was trusting the Tories, I doubt the Lib Dems will ever make that mistake again (likewise the DUP).MarqueeMark said:
Yeah, but Nick Clegg was born with a birthmark on his arse that reads "KICK ME"......Frank_Booth said:
Tell that to Nick Clegg.MarqueeMark said:Plus, the Labour candidate is a complete arse.
Remember every single Lib Dem MP made a personal pledge with all the razzmatazz that went with it, Clegg go into coalition where he could deliver his promise & then tripled fees.
One pledge on tuition fees pales into insignificance compared to the lies that Johnson comes out with on a weekly basis. Without entirely excusing what they did, the Lib Dems were a very junior party in the coalition and were in no position to honour their manifesto pledges.0 -
And if they're really that bad stand for election yourself next time.Jonathan said:
Vote for someone else.Frank_Booth said:
A lot of fingers need to be pointed at the Labour and Conservative parties who have provided us with perhaps the two most pathetically useless prime ministerial candidates there have been in a modern election.Jonathan said:
If you don’t vote, you can’t complain.Cyclefree said:Jonathan said:
So your happy with either Boris or Corbyn as PM then.Cyclefree said:FPT:
The longer this campaign has gone on, the less inclined I am to vote for any of the three main parties:-
1. Corbyn: no. Lots of reasons - mainly dragging his party into a Far Leftist illiberal anti-Semitic gutter. And the WASPI bribe has really annoyed me.
2. Boris: no. A total charlatan. Has made a Faustian pact with the Hard Brexiteers for the sake of his ambition thereby trashing the main things which made traditional Conservatism worthwhile.
3. Swinson: strategically inept and talking dangerous rubbish over the Gender Recognition Act. Apparently expecting people with gender dysphoria to undergo medical tests is too too ghastly to contemplate but women are expected to put up with having men invade their private spaces and the risk of some of them abusing that. In Lib Dem La-La-land, rape is not as ghastly as being asked questions by a doctor.
In my constituency that leaves the Brexit Party (as if!) or the Greens.
Or the Meeks option - abstaining in person.
What a choice.
Quite the contrary. I would like them both to lose. And disappear from the political stage, never to be heard of again.
As I have a Labour MP with a very large majority, my vote is largely pointless.
The problem with abstaining is that someone will still be elected. There will be a government. None of the above is not an outcome. Abstention is acceptance.
Pick the least worst.0 -
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Oops! Typo 😊Sunil_Prasannan said:
Accrington StanleyPhilip_Thompson said:Tories = Liverpool
SNP = Leicester
Labour = Everton
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There's a big, big difference between the party's manifesto commitment, and the individual PPCs' personal pledges to their electorates.OllyT said:funkhauser said:
The voters fatal mistake was trusting Nick Clegg,particularly the young voters that believed his lies about scrapping tuition fees.OllyT said:
Nick Clegg's fatal mistake was trusting the Tories, I doubt the Lib Dems will ever make that mistake again (likewise the DUP).MarqueeMark said:
Yeah, but Nick Clegg was born with a birthmark on his arse that reads "KICK ME"......Frank_Booth said:
Tell that to Nick Clegg.MarqueeMark said:Plus, the Labour candidate is a complete arse.
Remember every single Lib Dem MP made a personal pledge with all the razzmatazz that went with it, Clegg go into coalition where he could deliver his promise & then tripled fees.
One pledge on tuition fees pales into insignificance compared to the lies that Johnson comes out with on a weekly basis. Without entirely excusing what they did, the Lib Dems were a very junior party in the coalition and were in no position to honour their manifesto pledges.
Breaking the first was inevitable, for the reason you state. Breaking the second was very bad manners. Doing so to chase the dream of electoral reform - a dream they didn't even bother to put in their manifesto - was unforgivable.0 -
The "who are they" reference was the joke . . .Frank_Booth said:
Perhaps it was a joke?Sunil_Prasannan said:
Accrington StanleyPhilip_Thompson said:Tories = Liverpool
SNP = Leicester
Labour = Everton
Lib Dems = Altrincham Stanley
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LibDems winning North Norfolk by 18 points. Hmmmmmm..... Winning St. Albans by 1%. Some weird shit they have going with the LibDems.HYUFD said:Comres tonight projects the biggest Tory majority since 1987 and the lowest number of Labour MPs since 1935 prompting for the actual candidates in each seat https://twitter.com/flaviblePolitic/status/1202333974686785545?s=20
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That might make sense if we had a fair electoral system. As it is unless you live in a marginal you may as well stay at home for all the good your vote will do.NoSpaceName said:
And if they're really that bad stand for election yourself next time.Jonathan said:
Vote for someone else.Frank_Booth said:
A lot of fingers need to be pointed at the Labour and Conservative parties who have provided us with perhaps the two most pathetically useless prime ministerial candidates there have been in a modern election.Jonathan said:
If you don’t vote, you can’t complain.Cyclefree said:Jonathan said:
So your happy with either Boris or Corbyn as PM then.Cyclefree said:FPT:
The longer this campaign has gone on, the less inclined I am to vote for any of the three main parties:-
1. Corbyn: no. Lots of reasons - mainly dragging his party into a Far Leftist illiberal anti-Semitic gutter. And the WASPI bribe has really annoyed me.
2. Boris: no. A total charlatan. Has made a Faustian pact with the Hard Brexiteers for the sake of his ambition thereby trashing the main things which made traditional Conservatism worthwhile.
3. Swinson: strategically inept and talking dangerous rubbish over the Gender Recognition Act. Apparently expecting people with gender dysphoria to undergo medical tests is too too ghastly to contemplate but women are expected to put up with having men invade their private spaces and the risk of some of them abusing that. In Lib Dem La-La-land, rape is not as ghastly as being asked questions by a doctor.
In my constituency that leaves the Brexit Party (as if!) or the Greens.
Or the Meeks option - abstaining in person.
What a choice.
Quite the contrary. I would like them both to lose. And disappear from the political stage, never to be heard of again.
As I have a Labour MP with a very large majority, my vote is largely pointless.
The problem with abstaining is that someone will still be elected. There will be a government. None of the above is not an outcome. Abstention is acceptance.
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Remember my Cameremain Vs Premain question? The Indy's chief Pol correspondent John Rentoul has promised me on twitter that he'll ask it to the remain panel at the Hezza remain rally in Westminster on Friday. If he does then I'll buy the Indy for a year.
This is as famous as I've ever been.0 -
If the options are so bad that you can't vote for anyone then you have to hope that enough of your fellow citizens think the same that you might make a difference by standing. And, if they don't think the same then standing for election is possibly even more important, because how else will minds be changed except if they are challenged?OllyT said:
That might make sense if we had a fair electoral system. As it is unless you live in a marginal you may as well stay at home for all the good your vote will do.NoSpaceName said:
And if they're really that bad stand for election yourself next time.Jonathan said:
Vote for someone else.Frank_Booth said:
A lot of fingers need to be pointed at the Labour and Conservative parties who have provided us with perhaps the two most pathetically useless prime ministerial candidates there have been in a modern election.Jonathan said:
If you don’t vote, you can’t complain.Cyclefree said:Jonathan said:
So your happy with either Boris or Corbyn as PM then.Cyclefree said:FPT:
The longer this campaign has gone on, the less inclined I am to vote for any of the three main parties:-
1. Corbyn: no. Lots of reasons - mainly dragging his party into a Far Leftist illiberal anti-Semitic gutter. And the WASPI bribe has really annoyed me.
2. Boris: no. A total charlatan. Has made a Faustian pact with the Hard Brexiteers for the sake of his ambition thereby trashing the main things which made traditional Conservatism worthwhile.
3. Swinson: strategically inept and talking dangerous rubbish over the Gender Recognition Act. Apparently expecting people with gender dysphoria to undergo medical tests is too too ghastly to contemplate but women are expected to put up with having men invade their private spaces and the risk of some of them abusing that. In Lib Dem La-La-land, rape is not as ghastly as being asked questions by a doctor.
In my constituency that leaves the Brexit Party (as if!) or the Greens.
Or the Meeks option - abstaining in person.
What a choice.
Quite the contrary. I would like them both to lose. And disappear from the political stage, never to be heard of again.
As I have a Labour MP with a very large majority, my vote is largely pointless.
The problem with abstaining is that someone will still be elected. There will be a government. None of the above is not an outcome. Abstention is acceptance.
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Is that multimillionaire Nick Clegg who is now in Silicon Valley getting paid an absolute fortune after years of being in "the quad" running government with the perks accompanying it? Yeah I'm sure he's so upset at his mistake . . .OllyT said:
Nick Clegg's fatal mistake was trusting the Tories, I doubt the Lib Dems will ever make that mistake again (likewise the DUP).MarqueeMark said:
Yeah, but Nick Clegg was born with a birthmark on his arse that reads "KICK ME"......Frank_Booth said:
Tell that to Nick Clegg.MarqueeMark said:Plus, the Labour candidate is a complete arse.
The Simpsons managed to ask Nick Clegg how he can sleep at night:
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Corbyn makes Michael Foot look like a moderate, hence, the anti Tory vote is now the anti Corbyn vote.Floater said:
Because letting Corbyn and his vile followers anywhere near power makes my skin crawlJonathan said:
You can vote against both, it is possible. To abstain is to accept.Floater said:
What choice do we have?Jonathan said:
So when Boris screws it up, you’ll look back with pride at doing nothing to stop it when you had the chance?OllyT said:
When the only choice our rotten system gives us Corbyn or Johnson not voting seems the emminently most sensible thing to do. I certainly won't be troubling the polling office staff next week but it won't stop me criticising the next government.Jonathan said:
If you don’t vote, you can’t complain.Cyclefree said:Jonathan said:
So your happy with either Boris or Corbyn as PM then.Cyclefree said:FPT:
The longer this campaign has gone on, the less inclined I am to vote for any of the three main parties:-
1. Corbyn: no. Lots of reasons - mainly dragging his party into a Far Leftist illiberal anti-Semitic gutter. And the WASPI bribe has really annoyed me.
2. Boris: no. A total charlatan. Has made a Faustian pact with the Hard Brexiteers for the sake of his ambition thereby trashing the main things which made traditional Conservatism worthwhile.
3. Swinson: strategically inept and talking dangerous rubbish over the Gender Recognition Act. Apparently expecting people with gender dysphoria to undergo medical tests is too too ghastly to contemplate but women are expected to put up with having men invade their private spaces and the risk of some of them abusing that. In Lib Dem La-La-land, rape is not as ghastly as being asked questions by a doctor.
In my constituency that leaves the Brexit Party (as if!) or the Greens.
Or the Meeks option - abstaining in person.
What a choice.
Quite the contrary. I would like them both to lose. And disappear from the political stage, never to be heard of again.
As I have a Labour MP with a very large majority, my vote is largely pointless.
Perhaps I not need to, what could possibly go wrong with Bozo as PM, Patelas Home Sec and Raab as Foreign Sec?
The other choice is Corbyn
If only people had not enabled him in 2017
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That's not an excuse the Lib Dems were always going to be a very junior party in any coalition. They were in a position to honour some manifesto pledges via the negotiations for the Coalition Agreement - they prioritised an AV referendum over Tuition Fees. Good job guys!OllyT said:funkhauser said:
The voters fatal mistake was trusting Nick Clegg,particularly the young voters that believed his lies about scrapping tuition fees.OllyT said:
Nick Clegg's fatal mistake was trusting the Tories, I doubt the Lib Dems will ever make that mistake again (likewise the DUP).MarqueeMark said:
Yeah, but Nick Clegg was born with a birthmark on his arse that reads "KICK ME"......Frank_Booth said:
Tell that to Nick Clegg.MarqueeMark said:Plus, the Labour candidate is a complete arse.
Remember every single Lib Dem MP made a personal pledge with all the razzmatazz that went with it, Clegg go into coalition where he could deliver his promise & then tripled fees.
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No it does not, the pledge was made specifically to young people,many were first time voters & trusted Clegg.OllyT said:funkhauser said:
The voters fatal mistake was trusting Nick Clegg,particularly the young voters that believed his lies about scrapping tuition fees.OllyT said:
Nick Clegg's fatal mistake was trusting the Tories, I doubt the Lib Dems will ever make that mistake again (likewise the DUP).MarqueeMark said:
Yeah, but Nick Clegg was born with a birthmark on his arse that reads "KICK ME"......Frank_Booth said:
Tell that to Nick Clegg.MarqueeMark said:Plus, the Labour candidate is a complete arse.
Remember every single Lib Dem MP made a personal pledge with all the razzmatazz that went with it, Clegg go into coalition where he could deliver his promise & then tripled fees.
One pledge on tuition fees pales into insignificance compared to the lies that Johnson comes out with on a weekly basis. Without entirely excusing what they did, the Lib Dems were a very junior party in the coalition and were in no position to honour their manifesto pledges.
Absolute nonsense about not being able to honour the pledge, the Lib Dems could easily have made it one of their red lines.0 -
Indeed. Another way of looking at it: in the latest 5 polls, the average Labour share is 32.8%. In the previous 5 polls to that, the average Labour share was also 32.8%. In the previous 5 polls to that, the average Labour share was 33.2%.MikeL said:Look at the share, not the lead:
- Nine polls fieldwork ending 25-29 Nov: Lab was at 34% in four of these nine polls
- Six polls fieldwork ending after 29 Nov: Lab only at 34% (*) in one of these six polls
(*) Actually got 35%, but below 34% in all others
Far too early to be confident of anything - but it's a sign Lab has at least flatlined and may have just started to turn down.0 -
My model has them winning Bath, Bermondsey and Orkney and err that's it. The leave/remain split obviously isn't in my modelMarqueeMark said:
LibDems winning North Norfolk by 18 points. Hmmmmmm..... Winning St. Albans by 1%. Some weird shit they have going with the LibDems.HYUFD said:Comres tonight projects the biggest Tory majority since 1987 and the lowest number of Labour MPs since 1935 prompting for the actual candidates in each seat https://twitter.com/flaviblePolitic/status/1202333974686785545?s=20
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Bad result for the Tories in Scotland, only holding 4. But several are lost by 1%. Maybe they is, maybe they ain't....MarqueeMark said:
LibDems winning North Norfolk by 18 points. Hmmmmmm..... Winning St. Albans by 1%. Some weird shit they have going with the LibDems.HYUFD said:Comres tonight projects the biggest Tory majority since 1987 and the lowest number of Labour MPs since 1935 prompting for the actual candidates in each seat https://twitter.com/flaviblePolitic/status/1202333974686785545?s=20
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This will be the fourteenth general election where I have never voted for a winning candidate. Have never voted Tory and have lived in four different safe Tory constutuencies, although one changed to Labour after I left due to a boudary review. I have already voted (pv) this time for the Lib Dems in the sure knowledge that she won't win, I will continue to vote but I really would welcome PR so someone for whom I vote mught be elected. I have voted for winners (unsurprisingly) for the EU Parliament and local councillors. I do believe it is our duty to vote but I have never really felt my vote would make a difference. Must be nice to be in a marginal where you must feel your vote counts more.
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Every vote counts. Every election every seat start with zero votes cast and every seat can change hands. Former safe seats can be overturned or become marginals if that is what the local voters want.
If you want to elect a Lib Dem MP you don't need to change the electoral system. You just need more of your neighbours in your constituency to also vote Lib Dem than Tory or anyone else.
The first step to changing anything is to realise your own problems. The problem is not the electoral system the problem is people don't want to vote for your party.1 -
If you vote for someone who didn't win, you at least made the seat more marginal, which at some level probably is helpful. If in doubt, vote against the incumbent.madmacs said:This will be the fourteenth general election where I have never voted for a winning candidate. Have never voted Tory and have lived in four different safe Tory constutuencies, although one changed to Labour after I left due to a boudary review. I have already voted (pv) this time for the Lib Dems in the sure knowledge that she won't win, I will continue to vote but I really would welcome PR so someone for whom I vote mught be elected. I have voted for winners (unsurprisingly) for the EU Parliament and local councillors. I do believe it is our duty to vote but I have never really felt my vote would make a difference. Must be nice to be in a marginal where you must feel your vote counts more.
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If in doubt vote for who you believe in best.PaulM said:
If you vote for someone who didn't win, you at least made the seat more marginal, which at some level probably is helpful. If in doubt, vote against the incumbent.madmacs said:This will be the fourteenth general election where I have never voted for a winning candidate. Have never voted Tory and have lived in four different safe Tory constutuencies, although one changed to Labour after I left due to a boudary review. I have already voted (pv) this time for the Lib Dems in the sure knowledge that she won't win, I will continue to vote but I really would welcome PR so someone for whom I vote mught be elected. I have voted for winners (unsurprisingly) for the EU Parliament and local councillors. I do believe it is our duty to vote but I have never really felt my vote would make a difference. Must be nice to be in a marginal where you must feel your vote counts more.
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I've only voted for a winning candidate once, and that was my first general election vote when I was still at school.madmacs said:This will be the fourteenth general election where I have never voted for a winning candidate. Have never voted Tory and have lived in four different safe Tory constutuencies, although one changed to Labour after I left due to a boudary review. I have already voted (pv) this time for the Lib Dems in the sure knowledge that she won't win, I will continue to vote but I really would welcome PR so someone for whom I vote mught be elected. I have voted for winners (unsurprisingly) for the EU Parliament and local councillors. I do believe it is our duty to vote but I have never really felt my vote would make a difference. Must be nice to be in a marginal where you must feel your vote counts more.
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If Labour end up with 190 seats I'll be slightly annoyed... my most profitable outcome will be if they're in the 180-189 bracket...HYUFD said:Comres tonight projects the biggest Tory majority since 1987 and the lowest number of Labour MPs since 1935 prompting for the actual candidates in each seat https://twitter.com/flaviblePolitic/status/1202333974686785545?s=20
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Think one of my seats once got within 5000 so almost a marginal but normally 10000+ to the Tories. I suppose Esher has never been a marginal before or Bolsover but looks like both are this time.PaulM said:
If you vote for someone who didn't win, you at least made the seat more marginal, which at some level probably is helpful. If in doubt, vote against the incumbent.madmacs said:This will be the fourteenth general election where I have never voted for a winning candidate. Have never voted Tory and have lived in four different safe Tory constutuencies, although one changed to Labour after I left due to a boudary review. I have already voted (pv) this time for the Lib Dems in the sure knowledge that she won't win, I will continue to vote but I really would welcome PR so someone for whom I vote mught be elected. I have voted for winners (unsurprisingly) for the EU Parliament and local councillors. I do believe it is our duty to vote but I have never really felt my vote would make a difference. Must be nice to be in a marginal where you must feel your vote counts more.
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