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  • TGOHFTGOHF Posts: 21,633
    Biggest myth is we aren’t leaving on 31/10.

    Sun seems onboard too.

    https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/9749138/remainers-wake-up-brexit-is-happening/amp?__twitter_impression=true
  • AndrewAndrew Posts: 2,900

    Though as RCS says, this is less of an issue for gay/female Democrats or indeed male Democrats who are clearly not part of the Epstein party circuit, and there are still some Republican men with things to worry about. Given that the most high profile is Trump ….

    Trump was a registered Democrat at the time, and all the way through the Bush1 admin. He only switched parties when Obama became President.
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,422
    That's odd......Russian nuclear particle tracking stations go off-line shortly after White Sea blast.....

    https://www.smh.com.au/world/europe/global-network-s-nuclear-sensors-in-russia-go-dark-after-mystery-blast-20190820-p52ipz.html
  • StuartDicksonStuartDickson Posts: 12,146
    three out of five voters in Northern Ireland would prefer a border down the Irish Sea to a hard Brexit.

    58.4% of respondents said they would vote in favour of "a border in the Irish Sea" and would rather Northern Ireland remained more closely aligned with the EU than Great Britain.

    Some 39.5% said they would reject the compromise, while 2.1% said they did not know.

    ... experts have warned that at least 40,000 jobs could be at risk in Northern Ireland if an agreement is not reached.

    https://m.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/brexit/brexit-poll-saying-majority-backs-irish-sea-border-rejected-by-dup-38414210.html
  • edmundintokyoedmundintokyo Posts: 17,769
    f) TMay on 10x speed to Yakety Sax
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,422
    NEW THREAD
  • CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758

    rcs1000 said:

    Byronic said:

    Byronic said:



    Chris said:

    Scott_P said:
    At this rate Boris Johnson is even going to ruin our stockpiling efforts!
    Yep. Some of us cynics have been stockpiling for months. You can barely get down my hall to the living room...
    What kind of stock have you been piling up?

    Knorr?
    Oxo?

    :lol:
    :lol:

    2 parts soya milk to 1 part alcohol.
    One thing we WON'T run out of is wine. Australia has the largest share of the UK retail wine market, bigger than France or Italy.
    If we run out of alcohol then I riot.
    We do make quite a lot of our own, as well. We are the world's biggest producer of scotch, the home of gin, plus all those lovely stouts, porters, IPAs, lagers....

    You can rest easy. We can all get totally shit-faced as the country explodes.
    We're the biggest producer of something that can only be produced here.

    That's quite an achievement.
    😁
    Whyte & Mackay is made in India for the Indian market. Even though I’d hesitate to call it “Scotch”
  • CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758
    dixiedean said:

    GIN1138 said:

    I thought Boris's letter seemed entirely sensible. I think it will play well with the public. :)

    I thought it was bonkers. And yes it will. However, that is of limited and diminishing utility. Push is once again coming to shove. Once again, that perennial Tory Plan A, get the EU to cave, has failed, with more weeks wasted.
    It’s very simple.

    Parliament has said the Deal is unacceptable. The EU has said it won’t change.

    Boris is doing the right thing pushing to address the blockage while preparing for No Deal.

    Either Parliament will fold (Alistair Burt was pushing the WA on the Week in Westminister in Sunday) or the EU will fold. (My assumption is that parliament won’t vote to revoke).

    Part of the issue is all those idiot MPs who rush around talking about how they can block No Deal. All that does is encourage the EU to hold fast. It might be the EU wouldn’t move regardless, but the whole farago has been a master class in how politicians can undermine the country’s negotiation position
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 62,890
    Good morning, everyone.

    Gloomy day.
  • CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758
    kle4 said:

    rcs1000 said:

    GIN1138 said:

    I thought Boris's letter seemed entirely sensible. I think it will play well with the public. :)

    Yes, it was a prime example of meaningless platitudes, designed to keep everyone happy.
    It's upset the Brexit Party.

    https://twitter.com/brexitparty_uk/status/1163553359502172161
    There's literally nothing on the Brexit Party list of objections to the WA that's true.
    Irrelevant. Because they didn't leave when they had the chance the Tories have now subcontracted their Brexit policy to BXP out of panic and fear, with only shamelessness preventing admission of that. BXP can claim and believe anything and the Tories will seek to do what they want.

    And before someone claims the Tory policy is to just get Brexit of some kind to mollify BXP, the official policy, if that was what they actually wanted the WA would have been approved.
    The vast majority of Tories did vote for it

    There was a hard core of fanatics/opportunists who voted against.

    At least the fanatics - who believe that No Deal is better - have credit for doing what they think is right for the country (even if they are idiots). Similarly I think the LibDems and SNP are wrong but at least they are consistent (ish).

    Shame on the opportunists, on Grieve and his bunch of fanatics and on Labour MPs who wail and rend their clothes while facilitating what they profess to oppose above all else.
  • CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758
    dixiedean said:

    Byronic said:

    Andrew said:

    Connections, connections everywhere.

    Giuffre's father ….. worked at Mar-a-Lago.

    Epstein himself was hired by Barr's father as a schoolteacher, when in his early 20s - even though he had no relevant experience at all.


    HYUFD said:
    Judging by the allergic reactions, so far, prominent Democrats have more to fear from the Epstein fall-out, than prominent Republicans. Which makes sense, given the metrosexual, liberal, Silicon valley circles in which Epstein moved.

    We shall see. Maybe.
    Don't get your point. Are metrosexual liberals more likely to abuse children? That's close to the idea that homosexuals are more likely child abusers.
    Whereas, we know the vast majority of CSA takes place within families. Often, though far from exclusively, within outwardly conventional family groupings.
    Not speaking for him but I think he is saying:

    1. Epstein friendship group was X
    2. Democrats are over represented in X
    3. Assuming that his fellow abusers were from his friendship group then it is probable that Democrats are over represented

    I think that is just logic?

    I have no idea whether it is accurate or not
  • timmotimmo Posts: 1,469
    FF43 said:

    Thoughts about the letter, backstop and No Deal.

    The letter is the first time Johnson has ever acknowledged Ireland has legitimate interests. It still has arrogance in it but seems to me to be pleading with the EU to get him out of his difficult situation. ( Which is of his own making and Ireland/EU don't owe him any favours).

    The backstop is the only thing he mentions.

    The Yellowhammer revelations seem to have spooked the Johnson regime. And blaming No Deal on Hammond is nonsensical. Hammond wants a deal so much he voted for it three times, unlike Johnson. If you are really serious about No Deal, planning is sensible precautions you would want people to know about and you wouldn't seek to blame the outcome on implausible others.

    Which makes me think Johnson isn't serious about No Deal.

    Dont agree..the BJ govt is working on the assumption that leaks from former remain ministers will be the norm...
  • timpletimple Posts: 123
    I love the way 'neutral' articles such as these which point out the revolutionary reckless nature of Brexit (and therefore the absolute lack of certainty as to what will happen after) have to also have a go at remainers for balance. "What , please sir, is your grand strategy?" Etc etc

    FFS when the house is at risk of burning down you don't stop to think about how you will design the extension, or what the redecoration scheme will be.....

    Apologies to those who may have made the same point. I haven't had time to read all the discussion.
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