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politicalbetting.com » Blog Archive » LAB moves to highest share of the year in tonight’s YouGov poll

I was expecting the latest ComRes phone poll for the Indy.It’s now looiking as though that will be out tomorrow night not this evening. Five weeks ago this survey had the Tories in their best position for a very long time = just 1% behind LAB.

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  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 123,774
    Outlier or a beginning of a trend?
  • AveryLPAveryLP Posts: 7,815
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Outlier or a beginning of a trend?

    Rhetorical or rogatory?

  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 123,774
    AveryLP said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Outlier or a beginning of a trend?

    Rhetorical or rogatory?

    Both.
  • JonathanJonathan Posts: 22,107
    Fascinating gender gap in Scotland.
  • Mick_PorkMick_Pork Posts: 6,530
    edited March 2014
    An amusing reminder of that chickenhawk favourite Blair and his frank assessment of Putin.

    Mr Blair became the first western leader to meet Mr Putin when he threw his weight behind his candidature when they met in St Petersburg earlier in March.

    Following that meeting, Mr Blair described the then acting-president as a fellow moderniser with a "focused view of what he wants to achieve in Russia".

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/692470.stm

    Can't be long now till he takes over the 'better together' campaign as spokesman, can it?

    *tears of laughter etc.*
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 99,391
    16-24 year olds fluctuating a lot I see. Darn uncommitting youngsters.

    Labour are going to walk it in 2015. Easiest win since 2001. (though not with such a large majority)
  • WayneWayne Posts: 8
    OGH could hardly wait to get this latest YouGovJoke poll up on his ever increasing Left wing site .. Of course it's not an outlier though Labour are doing so much good at the moment . Let him have his little bit of excitement based on another joke YouGov pathetic poll taken in a phone box next to Labour HQ
  • SocratesSocrates Posts: 10,322
    kle4 said:

    16-24 year olds fluctuating a lot I see. Darn uncommitting youngsters.

    Labour are going to walk it in 2015. Easiest win since 2001. (though not with such a large majority)

    It's a recipe for disillusion come 2016.

    On other topics, an interesting point in this article saying how most CEOs in the US now come from state universities:

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/on-leadership/wp/2014/02/14/the-resume-that-makes-for-a-top-executive/

    Things are moving in the opposite direction to the UK, where we seem to be returning to Oxbridge or bust...
  • SMukeshSMukesh Posts: 1,759
    Labour need another NCCL/PIE controversy.
  • Mick_PorkMick_Pork Posts: 6,530
    Jonathan said:

    Fascinating gender gap in Scotland.

    The voter turnout differential is also fascinating. :)
  • WayneWayne Posts: 8
    Has anyone seen anything of Harriet is she still hiding in a dustbin somewhere, dreadful disgusting woman she is !
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 123,774
    Wayne said:

    OGH could hardly wait to get this latest YouGovJoke poll up on his ever increasing Left wing site .. Of course it's not an outlier though Labour are doing so much good at the moment . Let him have his little bit of excitement based on another joke YouGov pathetic poll taken in a phone box next to Labour HQ

    No, he was expecting a ComRes poll this evening, then we found it was being held over until tomorrow evening, so he ran with this thread.
  • Mick_PorkMick_Pork Posts: 6,530
    Wayne said:

    on his ever increasing Left wing site

    ROFL

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VELQ39QAYP4

  • JackWJackW Posts: 14,787
    Wayne said:

    OGH could hardly wait to get this latest YouGovJoke poll up on his ever increasing Left wing site .. Of course it's not an outlier though Labour are doing so much good at the moment . Let him have his little bit of excitement based on another joke YouGov pathetic poll taken in a phone box next to Labour HQ

    Waynes World wins the Oscar for "How To Win Friends And Influence People"

  • SocratesSocrates Posts: 10,322
    Wayne seems like a pleasant addition to the site...
  • Danny565Danny565 Posts: 8,091
    Probably an outlier, but at the very least it confirms Harman Paedogeddon has had no effect whatsoever. I wonder if this will finally get the penny to drop for newspapers that they don't have anywhere near the influence they think they do. I won't count on it.
  • AveryLPAveryLP Posts: 7,815
    edited March 2014
    Next up on Putin's 'To do' list.

    Follow the money trails and expose corrupt transactions of the oligarchs newly appointed by the Kiev government to regional gubernatorial posts

    Russian President Vladimir Putin on Tuesday will hold a meeting on issues of counteracting illegal financial operations.

    The Kremlin press service reported that the meeting would focus on “measures aimed at improving the national legislation in the sphere of counteracting money laundering and terrorism financing, improving co-ordination of action of Russia’s Federal Financial Monitoring Service (Rosfinmonitoring), the Bank of Russia and law enforcement agencies to expose illegal transactions in the banking sector.”

    Watch this space.
  • Mick_PorkMick_Pork Posts: 6,530
    edited March 2014
    Ben Judah ‏@b_judah 1h

    My point is proved. Stunning Guardian leak exposes Cameron is pushing to protect the city of London and not Ukraine. http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/mar/03/uk-seeks-russia-harm-city-london-document

    Fop Chicken. :)
  • nigel4englandnigel4england Posts: 4,800
    SMukesh said:

    Labour need another NCCL/PIE controversy.

    What is funny about the Left elite and the affiliation with PIE?

    Personally I could not give a toss about political ramifications, we all know there senior figures from all parties with skeletons in their wardrobe. But to make fun of what was reported last week is a terrible slur on those children who have suffered abuse.
  • BobaFettBobaFett Posts: 2,789
    @Avery

    The slug swaps his barbiturates for cocaine!
  • MrJonesMrJones Posts: 3,523
    Mick_Pork said:

    An amusing reminder of that chickenhawk favourite Blair and his frank assessment of Putin.

    Mr Blair became the first western leader to meet Mr Putin when he threw his weight behind his candidature when they met in St Petersburg earlier in March.

    Following that meeting, Mr Blair described the then acting-president as a fellow moderniser with a "focused view of what he wants to achieve in Russia".

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/692470.stm

    Can't be long now till he takes over the 'better together' campaign as spokesman, can it?

    *tears of laughter etc.*

    "with a "focused view of what he wants to achieve in Russia""

    genuine lolz
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 99,391
    edited March 2014
    Socrates said:

    kle4 said:

    16-24 year olds fluctuating a lot I see. Darn uncommitting youngsters.

    Labour are going to walk it in 2015. Easiest win since 2001. (though not with such a large majority)

    It's a recipe for disillusion come 2016.
    Maybe so, but Labour won't care. An easy win is an easy win, and every politician would take potential future problems over not winning.
  • Ishmael_XIshmael_X Posts: 3,664
    fpt

    "A simple opaque folder is somehow beyond the wit of those in charge of and attending suposedly secret meetings? Your positing a level of incompetence that is off the charts. But if that's the kind of incompetence you want to believe is right there informing Cammie's strategic plans for a response to Putin then so be it."

    You are in a logical cleft stick here because the more it is true that this level of incompetence is off the charts, the more incompetent it is to cook up a deliberate plan which hinges on people believing in this - in your view - quite incredible level of incompetence. So extreme stupidity is baked in to either view (conspiracy or cock up). So the competing theories are a. incompetence of one individual b. incompetence of the government, coupled with one individual (the document-carrier) acquiescing in being the patsy in a career-destroying plot.

    If we want to leak our intention why not do it via anonymous briefings outside the conference chamber at the EU meeting on Thursday?
  • BobaFettBobaFett Posts: 2,789
    Wayne said:

    OGH could hardly wait to get this latest YouGovJoke poll up on his ever increasing Left wing site .. Of course it's not an outlier though Labour are doing so much good at the moment . Let him have his little bit of excitement based on another joke YouGov pathetic poll taken in a phone box next to Labour HQ

    I think the traditional response is LOL

  • foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548
    He is protecting Britain's interests?

    The man is a bounder.
    Mick_Pork said:

    Ben Judah ‏@b_judah 1h

    My point is proved. Stunning Guardian leak exposes Cameron is pushing to protect the city of London and not Ukraine. http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/mar/03/uk-seeks-russia-harm-city-london-document

    Fop Chicken. :)

  • AveryLPAveryLP Posts: 7,815
    BobaFett said:

    @Avery

    The slug swaps his barbiturates for cocaine!

    Nah!

    Compouter has just got the goalpost upside down.

  • NickPalmerNickPalmer Posts: 21,789
    To be honest, I don't believe this YG, nor the preceding one at 4 points. I don't think anything is happening in terms of voter intention at the moment: Labour is 5-6 ahead and has been for ages. Our daily analysis is like staring at roulette table results, trying to work out the pattern and missing the fact that there isn't one.

    Wayne, old boy - this site only rises to a better class of troll. Have a look at SeanT and try again.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 123,774
    Well the Daily Mail Front page

    Child Porn: Number 10 aide arrested

    Daily Mail U.K. ‏@DailyMailUK 1m

    Tuesday's @DailyMailUK #MailFrontPages pic.twitter.com/rHX8HFoT1m
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 123,774
    edited March 2014
    NickPalmer said:

    To be honest, I don't believe this YG, nor the preceding one at 4 points. I don't think anything is happening in terms of voter intention at the moment: Labour is 5-6 ahead and has been for ages. Our daily analysis is like staring at roulette table results, trying to work out the pattern and missing the fact that there isn't one.

    Wayne, old boy - this site only rises to a better class of troll. Have a look at SeanT and try again.

    Well I'm of the opinion the Populus poll is the most accurate poll out there.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 80,113
    @NickPalmer is playdiplomacy.com down ?

    Need to finalise orders for one of my games :E !
  • Mick_PorkMick_Pork Posts: 6,530
    edited March 2014
    Ishmael_X said:

    So the competing theories are a. incompetence of one individual b. incompetence of the government, coupled with one individual (the document-carrier) acquiescing in being the patsy in a career-destroying plot.

    He's been sacked then? Odd, you would think that would be trumpeted instead of a confirmation and then further spinning of the story just in case anyone had missed the point.

    "Government officials said that no decisions were taken at the meeting of the NSC. But they confirmed that the call in the document for London's financial centre to kept open to Russians reflected the government's thinking that it wanted to target action against Moscow and not damage British interests."
    Ishmael_X said:

    If we want to leak our intention why not do it via anonymous briefings outside the conference chamber at the EU meeting on Thursday?

    Because those could be easily denied and are anonymous so won't carry much weight.
    This is crystal clear and sends a very loud message out to a City fearful of economic blowback.

    It is of no consequence to me whether you want to believe it's just yet more government incompetence at the heart of Cammie's strategic response to Putin. You are quite welcome to take that view.
  • Danny565Danny565 Posts: 8,091
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    NickPalmer said:

    To be honest, I don't believe this YG, nor the preceding one at 4 points. I don't think anything is happening in terms of voter intention at the moment: Labour is 5-6 ahead and has been for ages. Our daily analysis is like staring at roulette table results, trying to work out the pattern and missing the fact that there isn't one.

    Wayne, old boy - this site only rises to a better class of troll. Have a look at SeanT and try again.

    Well I'm of the opinion the Populus poll is the most accurate poll out there.
    Did that come out today? What were the numbers?
  • SocratesSocrates Posts: 10,322
    edited March 2014
    Cameron really is a terrible Prime Minister, if this is his response to Ukraine. A naked act of armed aggression - and likely annexation - and we respond with a few travel bans? Putin must be quaking in his boots. Under him the UK is really becoming a supine average European country. A modern day Ted Heath. And Hague seems just as bad. I used to think he was a strong-minded Atlanticist, but he's just acquiescing to it all.
  • MikeSmithsonMikeSmithson Posts: 7,382
    Tonight's YouGov poll is the first to be carried out wholly after the LAB calls to stop Waitrose from giving out free coffee.
  • GeoffMGeoffM Posts: 6,071
    NickPalmer said:

    To be honest, I don't believe this YG, nor the preceding one at 4 points. I don't think anything is happening in terms of voter intention at the moment: Labour is 5-6 ahead and has been for ages. Our daily analysis is like staring at roulette table results, trying to work out the pattern and missing the fact that there isn't one.

    Wayne, old boy - this site only rises to a better class of troll. Have a look at SeanT and try again.

    I am delighted to, for a very pleasant change, completely agree with every word of a NPxMP post.

    ...including the bit about "Wayne". Give your head a wobble, sunshine.

  • kle4kle4 Posts: 99,391
    edited March 2014
    NickPalmer said:

    Labour is 5-6 ahead and has been for ages.

    Indeed. Consistency has been pretty incredible, with a few specific moments of shifts followed by stationary movement for long periods. Were it not for natural caution, I'd imagine a lot of Labour candidates would already be working on their victory speeches (The vast numbers of those in safe seats on both sides probably already have done, with fill in the blanks so they can refer to the tragic/wonderful victory/loss for x/y and a few topical references).

    Out of interest, does the Commons have offices for MPs arranged by constituency at all? So that whoever wins in a seat they'd get the same office as the last person?
  • AveryLPAveryLP Posts: 7,815
    MikeSmithson said:

    Tonight's YouGov poll is the first to be carried out wholly after the LAB calls to stop Waitrose from giving out free coffee.

    I dare you to tweet that, Mr. Smithson!

  • TykejohnnoTykejohnno Posts: 7,362
    Socrates said:

    Cameron really is a terrible Prime Minister, if this is his response to Ukraine. A naked act of armed aggression - and likely annexation - and we respond with a few travel bans? Putin must be quaking in his boots. Under him the UK is really becoming a supine average European country. A modern day Ted Heath. And Hague seems just as bad. I used to think he was a strong-minded Atlanticist, but he's just acquiescing to it all.

    And miliband is a modern day Wilson,foot or Kinnock,which ever it is,we are fcuked as a country ;-)

  • Mick_PorkMick_Pork Posts: 6,530
    edited March 2014
    MikeSmithson said:

    Tonight's YouGov poll is the first to be carried out wholly after the LAB calls to stop Waitrose from giving out free coffee.

    Beg pardon?
    When was this and what what was the point of it?? I must have been blind to miss that and not the more minor matter of Cast Iron Cammie's Immigration Pledge blowing up in his face.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 123,774
    Danny565 said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    NickPalmer said:

    To be honest, I don't believe this YG, nor the preceding one at 4 points. I don't think anything is happening in terms of voter intention at the moment: Labour is 5-6 ahead and has been for ages. Our daily analysis is like staring at roulette table results, trying to work out the pattern and missing the fact that there isn't one.

    Wayne, old boy - this site only rises to a better class of troll. Have a look at SeanT and try again.

    Well I'm of the opinion the Populus poll is the most accurate poll out there.
    Did that come out today? What were the numbers?
    It did

    Populus ‏@PopulusPolls 9h

    New Populus VI: Lab 37 (-1); Cons 34 (+1); LD 10 (+1); UKIP 12 (-1); Oth 8 (+1) Tables: http://popu.lu/s_vi140303
  • CarolaCarola Posts: 1,805
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Well the Daily Mail Front page

    Child Porn: Number 10 aide arrested

    Daily Mail U.K. ‏@DailyMailUK 1m

    Tuesday's @DailyMailUK #MailFrontPages pic.twitter.com/rHX8HFoT1m

    Didn't that bloke also get papped flashing a document on route to no 10?

    Hmmm... the plot thickens.
  • Mick_PorkMick_Pork Posts: 6,530
    Graham Wettone ‏@grahamwettone

    Cameron wants to re introduce 'snoopers' charter because 'it works on the telly'? Seriously? CBB next in law then! http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/10608439/David-Cameron-TV-crime-dramas-show-need-for-snoopers-charter.html …"

    Ah well. Lucky for the incompetent fop it can't get much more humiliating than that.
    Can it?
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 99,391
    Socrates said:

    Cameron really is a terrible Prime Minister, if this is his response to Ukraine. A naked act of armed aggression - and likely annexation - and we respond with a few travel bans? Putin must be quaking in his boots. Under him the UK is really becoming a supine average European country. A modern day Ted Heath. And Hague seems just as bad. I used to think he was a strong-minded Atlanticist, but he's just acquiescing to it all.

    One of Cameron's biggest problems is he has no nerve, in anything. When he does move decisively he seems fine, but he lacks internal party support, which undercuts whatever he plans to do nationally or internationally, and that means he dithers about inconsitently. Knowing that many in his own ranks will hate him for daring to involve the UK in something, anything, he has no confidence which would at least make doing nothing seem a principled approach made after firm consideration, instead trying to talk the talk while not walking the walk, and you cannot do both without real confidence (Putin and the Russians are the best at that - act as you want, and unlike the West, never give the impression you doubt your own actions, whatever they were)
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 123,774
    Carola said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Well the Daily Mail Front page

    Child Porn: Number 10 aide arrested

    Daily Mail U.K. ‏@DailyMailUK 1m

    Tuesday's @DailyMailUK #MailFrontPages pic.twitter.com/rHX8HFoT1m

    Didn't that bloke also get papped flashing a document on route to no 10?

    Hmmm... the plot thickens.
    I can't get my head around either story without going hmmmm
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 45,522
    Mick_Pork said:

    MikeSmithson said:

    Tonight's YouGov poll is the first to be carried out wholly after the LAB calls to stop Waitrose from giving out free coffee.

    Beg pardon?
    When was this and what what was the point of it?? I must have been blind to miss that and not the more minor matter of Cast Iron Cammie's Immigration Pledge blowing up in his face.
    Me too - what's this Waitrose coffee stuff and why the political importance please??
  • Mick_PorkMick_Pork Posts: 6,530
    Paddy Briggs ‏@PaddyBriggs 8m

    @benedictbrogan : "Mr Cameron could do with more grown ups like Mr Rock about." Ha!! http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/benedictbrogan/100082741/the-return-of-patrick-rock/ …
  • AveryLPAveryLP Posts: 7,815
    Carola said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Well the Daily Mail Front page

    Child Porn: Number 10 aide arrested

    Daily Mail U.K. ‏@DailyMailUK 1m

    Tuesday's @DailyMailUK #MailFrontPages pic.twitter.com/rHX8HFoT1m

    Didn't that bloke also get papped flashing a document on route to no 10?

    Hmmm... the plot thickens.
    You are right to suspect a plot.

    This is but a pawn sacrifice.

    We are not even into the endgame.

    P.S. (sic)

  • TykejohnnoTykejohnno Posts: 7,362
    kle4 said:

    Socrates said:

    Cameron really is a terrible Prime Minister, if this is his response to Ukraine. A naked act of armed aggression - and likely annexation - and we respond with a few travel bans? Putin must be quaking in his boots. Under him the UK is really becoming a supine average European country. A modern day Ted Heath. And Hague seems just as bad. I used to think he was a strong-minded Atlanticist, but he's just acquiescing to it all.

    One of Cameron's biggest problems is he has no nerve, in anything. When he does move decisively he seems fine, but he lacks internal party support, which undercuts whatever he plans to do nationally or internationally, and that means he dithers about inconsitently. Knowing that many in his own ranks will hate him for daring to involve the UK in something, anything, he has no confidence which would at least make doing nothing seem a principled approach made after firm consideration, instead trying to talk the talk while not walking the walk, and you cannot do both without real confidence (Putin and the Russians are the best at that - act as you want, and unlike the West, never give the impression you doubt your own actions, whatever they were)
    You have a point with his own party but the rest is called coalition.
  • SMukeshSMukesh Posts: 1,759
    I actually support Cameron this.It`s a fight between two former constituents of USSR and Russia has moved into Crimea to protect it`s black sea fleet and a large ethnic Russian majority.

    There is no need for the West to get involved yet.
  • old_labourold_labour Posts: 3,238
    I am sure the government's oligarch friends knew the content of the "leaked document" days ago. They might well have written it.
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 45,176
    Carnyx said:

    Mick_Pork said:

    MikeSmithson said:

    Tonight's YouGov poll is the first to be carried out wholly after the LAB calls to stop Waitrose from giving out free coffee.

    Beg pardon?
    When was this and what what was the point of it?? I must have been blind to miss that and not the more minor matter of Cast Iron Cammie's Immigration Pledge blowing up in his face.
    Me too - what's this Waitrose coffee stuff and why the political importance please??
    I think, I hope, it's OGH's pawky sense of humour.
  • Richard_TyndallRichard_Tyndall Posts: 33,584
    Unsurprisingly I like Douglas Carswells' take on what Britain should be doing right now.

    http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/douglascarswellmp/100261290/ukraine-and-britains-best-interests/
  • nigel4englandnigel4england Posts: 4,800
    Carnyx said:

    Mick_Pork said:

    MikeSmithson said:

    Tonight's YouGov poll is the first to be carried out wholly after the LAB calls to stop Waitrose from giving out free coffee.

    Beg pardon?
    When was this and what what was the point of it?? I must have been blind to miss that and not the more minor matter of Cast Iron Cammie's Immigration Pledge blowing up in his face.
    Me too - what's this Waitrose coffee stuff and why the political importance please??
    Ed is supporting tax dodging Starbucks over worker owned John Lewis/Waitrose
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 99,391
    On a tangent, heaing all these russian accents talking about revolution in the news encouraged me to spend the past couple of days playing an obscure and not terribly well reviewed game which I've always enjoyed, called Republic: The Revolution.

    You play as a revolutionary leader in a fictional corrupt post-soviet dictatorship, and you have to overthrow the President. It's a strategy game based around actions of your cell leaders across three cities in turn, with options for differerent approachs. You have to cancass opinion, put up posters and hold rallies, and you udnermine your opponents with actions like stories in the press, vandalism, charity work, assaulting opponents, all types of things.

    I love it because you can choose various methods to succeed in the revolution, from working with shadowy business types, forcing out corrupt officials for your own people, outright criminal enterprises, cynically using other protest groups to an end game of forcing economic breakdown, national uprising, military coup or manupulating the international community to force the president to resign and hand over power to you.

    This time around after working with a set of oligarchs to secure the most resources, I convinced the international community to force the president down, aided by me replacing the head of the secret police with my own man. Good fun.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 99,391
    Tykejohnno said:

    kle4 said:

    Socrates said:

    Cameron really is a terrible Prime Minister, if this is his response to Ukraine. A naked act of armed aggression - and likely annexation - and we respond with a few travel bans? Putin must be quaking in his boots. Under him the UK is really becoming a supine average European country. A modern day Ted Heath. And Hague seems just as bad. I used to think he was a strong-minded Atlanticist, but he's just acquiescing to it all.

    One of Cameron's biggest problems is he has no nerve, in anything. When he does move decisively he seems fine, but he lacks internal party support, which undercuts whatever he plans to do nationally or internationally, and that means he dithers about inconsitently. Knowing that many in his own ranks will hate him for daring to involve the UK in something, anything, he has no confidence which would at least make doing nothing seem a principled approach made after firm consideration, instead trying to talk the talk while not walking the walk, and you cannot do both without real confidence (Putin and the Russians are the best at that - act as you want, and unlike the West, never give the impression you doubt your own actions, whatever they were)
    You have a point with his own party but the rest is called coalition.
    It has never seemed that the LDs are the biggest obstacle for Cameorn to overcome. If anything, the fact they are a distinct force means he knows how to handle them at least.
  • BobaFettBobaFett Posts: 2,789
    Carola said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Well the Daily Mail Front page

    Child Porn: Number 10 aide arrested

    Daily Mail U.K. ‏@DailyMailUK 1m

    Tuesday's @DailyMailUK #MailFrontPages pic.twitter.com/rHX8HFoT1m

    Didn't that bloke also get papped flashing a document on route to no 10?

    Hmmm... the plot thickens.
    Is it the same bloke with the leaked Russia doc? I'm confused!
  • BobaFettBobaFett Posts: 2,789
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Carola said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Well the Daily Mail Front page

    Child Porn: Number 10 aide arrested

    Daily Mail U.K. ‏@DailyMailUK 1m

    Tuesday's @DailyMailUK #MailFrontPages pic.twitter.com/rHX8HFoT1m

    Didn't that bloke also get papped flashing a document on route to no 10?

    Hmmm... the plot thickens.
    I can't get my head around either story without going hmmmm
    Hmm indeed. They say timing is everything @TSE
  • Ishmael_XIshmael_X Posts: 3,664
    edited March 2014
    Mick_Pork said:

    Ishmael_X said:

    So the competing theories are a. incompetence of one individual b. incompetence of the government, coupled with one individual (the document-carrier) acquiescing in being the patsy in a career-destroying plot.

    He's been sacked then? Odd, you would think that would be trumpeted instead of a confirmation and then further spinning of the story just in case anyone had missed the point.

    "Government officials said that no decisions were taken at the meeting of the NSC. But they confirmed that the call in the document for London's financial centre to kept open to Russians reflected the government's thinking that it wanted to target action against Moscow and not damage British interests."
    Ishmael_X said:

    If we want to leak our intention why not do it via anonymous briefings outside the conference chamber at the EU meeting on Thursday?

    Because those could be easily denied and are anonymous so won't carry much weight.
    This is crystal clear and sends a very loud message out to a City fearful of economic blowback.

    It is of no consequence to me whether you want to believe it's just yet more government incompetence at the heart of Cammie's strategic response to Putin. You are quite welcome to take that view.
    Not sacked afaik yet but it isn't going to play terribly well at his annual appraisal, I think you will agree.

    I just don't see the point of making ourselves look a complete bunch of [moderated] and royally pissing off the U.S. just to get our position on this out in the open.

  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 123,774
    The Waitrose story is to do with this story, that amused Mike the other night

    Mike Smithson ‏@MSmithsonPB Feb 28

    Via @DJack_Journo 6m Labour's @AndySawfordMP - fights Waitrose giving away free coffee! Eh? pic.twitter.com/1T46mXLS41
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 123,774
    Number 10 have released a statement re that arrest

    http://www.politicshome.com/uk/article/93918/downing_street_statement_of_arrest_of_patrick_rock_over_child_pornography_allegations.html
  • CarolaCarola Posts: 1,805
    BobaFett said:

    Carola said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Well the Daily Mail Front page

    Child Porn: Number 10 aide arrested

    Daily Mail U.K. ‏@DailyMailUK 1m

    Tuesday's @DailyMailUK #MailFrontPages pic.twitter.com/rHX8HFoT1m

    Didn't that bloke also get papped flashing a document on route to no 10?

    Hmmm... the plot thickens.
    Is it the same bloke with the leaked Russia doc? I'm confused!
    Blimey: 'Rock was in the middle of a battle with Theresa May over stop and search. No10 reported Rock to the police after discovering pix' samcoatestimes. Even thicker!
  • BobaFettBobaFett Posts: 2,789
    AveryLP said:

    Carola said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Well the Daily Mail Front page

    Child Porn: Number 10 aide arrested

    Daily Mail U.K. ‏@DailyMailUK 1m

    Tuesday's @DailyMailUK #MailFrontPages pic.twitter.com/rHX8HFoT1m

    Didn't that bloke also get papped flashing a document on route to no 10?

    Hmmm... the plot thickens.
    You are right to suspect a plot.

    This is but a pawn sacrifice.

    We are not even into the endgame.

    P.S. (sic)

    A cryptic but I suspect important and accurate posting from our man in Central Office.

    I don't think I can take another paedophile story - they turn this blog into a cesspit.
  • TykejohnnoTykejohnno Posts: 7,362
    Sam Coates Times ‏@SamCoatesTimes · 2 mins
    Rock was in the middle of a battle with Theresa May over stop and search. No10 reported Rock to the police after discovering pix

  • Mick_PorkMick_Pork Posts: 6,530
    edited March 2014
    old_labour said:

    I am sure the government's oligarch friends knew the content of the "leaked document" days ago. They might well have written it.

    Could never happen.

    "Between them the donors have given £43.4 million to the Conservatives since the beginning of 2012.

    One such donor, Russian businessman Alexander Temerko attended two dinners with David Cameron has given £200,000 in the past two years.

    Although foreign nationals are normally barred from giving to British political parties, Mr Temerko has been a British citizen since 2011 and was on the UK electoral register prior to making his first donation in April 2012. Mr Temerko was allowed to stay in Britain after a judge ruled an attempt to extradite him on fraud charges was politically motivated."

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/conservative/10591950/43-million-given-to-Conservatives-by-members-of-exclusive-Cameron-dining-club.html
  • compouter2compouter2 Posts: 2,371
    Evening all, sorry for the late post, Basil passed out when he saw the Labour percentage. Obviously an outlier, however, it's always nice to see one in the goalpost direction. It looks like me and Basil are in it for the long haul.

    Basils reaction to tonights poll:http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-t-QJSN_Pi3Q/T-Hz6j8LxfI/AAAAAAAAFI8/2NG_pv1HYoE/s1600/squirrel.jpg

  • TykejohnnoTykejohnno Posts: 7,362
    Adrian Hilton ‏@Adrian_Hilton · 2 mins
    Floods.. Food banks.. Bishops.. Ukip.. Ukraine.. Patrick Rock.. When sorrows come, they come not single spies But in battalions.

  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 45,176
    Since there was a brief discussion of the northern isles earlier today:

    Yes Orkney ‏@AyeOrkney 20 mins
    Banging result for YES 67YES 25NO 12 DK Stromness public debate John Aberdein v Liam McArthur #indyref
  • AveryLPAveryLP Posts: 7,815
    compouter2 said:

    Evening all, sorry for the late post, Basil passed out when he saw the Labour percentage. Obviously an outlier, however, it's always nice to see one in the goalpost direction. It looks like me and Basil are in it for the long haul.

    Basils reaction to tonights poll:http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-t-QJSN_Pi3Q/T-Hz6j8LxfI/AAAAAAAAFI8/2NG_pv1HYoE/s1600/squirrel.jpg

    'pouter

    You forgot to post Basil's reaction to the Populus poll.

    Here it is:

    http://bit.ly/1kPHpQd
  • BobaFettBobaFett Posts: 2,789
    NickPalmer said:

    To be honest, I don't believe this YG, nor the preceding one at 4 points. I don't think anything is happening in terms of voter intention at the moment: Labour is 5-6 ahead and has been for ages. Our daily analysis is like staring at roulette table results, trying to work out the pattern and missing the fact that there isn't one.

    Wayne, old boy - this site only rises to a better class of troll. Have a look at SeanT and try again.

    Indeed so. There was an update from a YouGov a few weeks back which showed the aggregate scores, month by month. IIRC, going back to Nov, they were exactly the same. Exactly.
  • BobaFettBobaFett Posts: 2,789
    AveryLP said:

    BobaFett said:

    @Avery

    The slug swaps his barbiturates for cocaine!

    Nah!

    Compouter has just got the goalpost upside down.

    :)

  • CarolaCarola Posts: 1,805
    AveryLP said:

    compouter2 said:

    Evening all, sorry for the late post, Basil passed out when he saw the Labour percentage. Obviously an outlier, however, it's always nice to see one in the goalpost direction. It looks like me and Basil are in it for the long haul.

    Basils reaction to tonights poll:http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-t-QJSN_Pi3Q/T-Hz6j8LxfI/AAAAAAAAFI8/2NG_pv1HYoE/s1600/squirrel.jpg

    'pouter

    You forgot to post Basil's reaction to the Populus poll.

    Here it is:

    http://bit.ly/1kPHpQd
    Arf.
  • Mick_PorkMick_Pork Posts: 6,530
    edited March 2014
    Ishmael_X said:

    I just don't see the point of making ourselves look a complete bunch of [moderated] and royally pissing off the U.S. just to get our position on this out in the open.

    Yet where is this ferocious response from Obama? Despite Kerry's fairly laughable posturing on the Ukraine we've yet to see any fury or blowback from Washington on this. If they really are as upset as you indicate we should see soon enough.
  • compouter2compouter2 Posts: 2,371
    AveryLP said:

    compouter2 said:

    Evening all, sorry for the late post, Basil passed out when he saw the Labour percentage. Obviously an outlier, however, it's always nice to see one in the goalpost direction. It looks like me and Basil are in it for the long haul.

    Basils reaction to tonights poll:http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-t-QJSN_Pi3Q/T-Hz6j8LxfI/AAAAAAAAFI8/2NG_pv1HYoE/s1600/squirrel.jpg

    'pouter

    You forgot to post Basil's reaction to the Populus poll.

    Here it is:

    http://bit.ly/1kPHpQd
    He celebrated the Populus poll as he wants rid of these damn goalposts. He keeps asking if you are going to do one of your polling crossover predictions again. He knows you have got every single one wrong so far, however, it would give him a tadge of hope that one day he will be rid of it.
  • anotherDaveanotherDave Posts: 6,746
    edited March 2014
    Benedict Brogan thinks Mr Osborne's attempts to position himself for a leadership contest "is the clearest sign that the [Conservative Party] high command is beginning to panic."

    http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/benedictbrogan/100262024/the-invitation-to-boris-shows-that-the-tories-are-panicking/
  • Ishmael_XIshmael_X Posts: 3,664
    BobaFett said:

    AveryLP said:

    Carola said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Well the Daily Mail Front page

    Child Porn: Number 10 aide arrested

    Daily Mail U.K. ‏@DailyMailUK 1m

    Tuesday's @DailyMailUK #MailFrontPages pic.twitter.com/rHX8HFoT1m

    Didn't that bloke also get papped flashing a document on route to no 10?

    Hmmm... the plot thickens.
    You are right to suspect a plot.

    This is but a pawn sacrifice.

    We are not even into the endgame.

    P.S. (sic)

    A cryptic but I suspect important and accurate posting from our man in Central Office.

    I don't think I can take another paedophile story - they turn this blog into a cesspit.
    Have there been that many since your very recent (and welcome) arrival at the site?

  • nigel4englandnigel4england Posts: 4,800
    Ishmael_X said:

    BobaFett said:

    AveryLP said:

    Carola said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Well the Daily Mail Front page

    Child Porn: Number 10 aide arrested

    Daily Mail U.K. ‏@DailyMailUK 1m

    Tuesday's @DailyMailUK #MailFrontPages pic.twitter.com/rHX8HFoT1m

    Didn't that bloke also get papped flashing a document on route to no 10?

    Hmmm... the plot thickens.
    You are right to suspect a plot.

    This is but a pawn sacrifice.

    We are not even into the endgame.

    P.S. (sic)

    A cryptic but I suspect important and accurate posting from our man in Central Office.

    I don't think I can take another paedophile story - they turn this blog into a cesspit.
    Have there been that many since your very recent (and welcome) arrival at the site?

    I think he only joined today!
  • BobaFettBobaFett Posts: 2,789
    Patrick Rock was nicked on 13 February. Before the Harman story was hammered... By the same paper.
  • AveryLPAveryLP Posts: 7,815
    Ishmael_X said:

    Mick_Pork said:

    Ishmael_X said:

    So the competing theories are a. incompetence of one individual b. incompetence of the government, coupled with one individual (the document-carrier) acquiescing in being the patsy in a career-destroying plot.

    He's been sacked then? Odd, you would think that would be trumpeted instead of a confirmation and then further spinning of the story just in case anyone had missed the point.

    "Government officials said that no decisions were taken at the meeting of the NSC. But they confirmed that the call in the document for London's financial centre to kept open to Russians reflected the government's thinking that it wanted to target action against Moscow and not damage British interests."
    Ishmael_X said:

    If we want to leak our intention why not do it via anonymous briefings outside the conference chamber at the EU meeting on Thursday?

    Because those could be easily denied and are anonymous so won't carry much weight.
    This is crystal clear and sends a very loud message out to a City fearful of economic blowback.

    It is of no consequence to me whether you want to believe it's just yet more government incompetence at the heart of Cammie's strategic response to Putin. You are quite welcome to take that view.
    Not sacked afaik yet but it isn't going to play terribly well at his annual appraisal, I think you will agree.

    I just don't see the point of making ourselves look a complete bunch of [moderated] and royally pissing off the U.S. just to get our position on this out in the open.

    Ishmael, the conspiracy theory is just lunacy.

    Pork is just tumbling down the mountainside after reaching the peak with his post on Kerry and Hillary.

    The chances of failure are just too great for any leak to be planned in this way.
  • BobaFettBobaFett Posts: 2,789
    nigel4england said:

    Ishmael_X said:

    BobaFett said:

    AveryLP said:

    Carola said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Well the Daily Mail Front page

    Child Porn: Number 10 aide arrested

    Daily Mail U.K. ‏@DailyMailUK 1m

    Tuesday's @DailyMailUK #MailFrontPages pic.twitter.com/rHX8HFoT1m

    Didn't that bloke also get papped flashing a document on route to no 10?

    Hmmm... the plot thickens.
    You are right to suspect a plot.

    This is but a pawn sacrifice.

    We are not even into the endgame.

    P.S. (sic)

    A cryptic but I suspect important and accurate posting from our man in Central Office.

    I don't think I can take another paedophile story - they turn this blog into a cesspit.
    Have there been that many since your very recent (and welcome) arrival at the site?

    I think he only joined today!
    You have all made me so welcome, it seems like I have been around for years Nigel :)
  • nigel4englandnigel4england Posts: 4,800
    Evening all, sorry for the late post,

    Don't be.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 123,774
    Mail have the story up

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2572495/No-10-aide-arrested-child-porn-Police-quiz-man-advised-Cameron-web-filters.html
  • compouter2compouter2 Posts: 2,371
    anotherDave said:

    Benedict Brogan thinks Mr Osborne's attempts to position himself for a leadership contest "is the clearest sign that the [Conservative Party] high command is beginning to panic."

    http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/benedictbrogan/100262024/the-invitation-to-boris-shows-that-the-tories-are-panicking/

    http://www.merumaya.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/jones_dontpanic_11.jpg
  • BobaFettBobaFett Posts: 2,789
    anotherDave said:

    Benedict Brogan thinks Mr Osborne's attempts to position himself for a leadership contest "is the clearest sign that the [Conservative Party] high command is beginning to panic."

    http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/benedictbrogan/100262024/the-invitation-to-boris-shows-that-the-tories-are-panicking/

    Game theory says do what your opponent least wants you to do. That Ozzy's tilt at the leadership was greeted by raptures among Labourites says not only was it desperate, it was stupid.
  • RodCrosbyRodCrosby Posts: 7,737
    edited March 2014
    Rock was the guy who lost out to Hancock in the '84 Portsmouth South by-election.

    Also managed to lose the notionally-Tory Crewe & Nantwich to Dunwoody in '83...
  • SMukeshSMukesh Posts: 1,759
    BobaFett said:

    Patrick Rock was nicked on 13 February. Before the Harman story was hammered... By the same paper.

    That`s very interesting.

    I wonder if the same figures would accuse Tory leaders of being guilty by association as they accused Harman and co over NCCL/PIE.

    http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/benedictbrogan/100082741/the-return-of-patrick-rock/
  • compouter2compouter2 Posts: 2,371
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Mail have the story up

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2572495/No-10-aide-arrested-child-porn-Police-quiz-man-advised-Cameron-web-filters.html

    Christ on a bike, here we go again.....paedo will be the buzzword on here.
  • BobaFettBobaFett Posts: 2,789
    AveryLP said:

    compouter2 said:

    Evening all, sorry for the late post, Basil passed out when he saw the Labour percentage. Obviously an outlier, however, it's always nice to see one in the goalpost direction. It looks like me and Basil are in it for the long haul.

    Basils reaction to tonights poll:http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-t-QJSN_Pi3Q/T-Hz6j8LxfI/AAAAAAAAFI8/2NG_pv1HYoE/s1600/squirrel.jpg

    'pouter

    You forgot to post Basil's reaction to the Populus poll.

    Here it is:

    http://bit.ly/1kPHpQd
    Fair play to you Avery :)
  • compouter2compouter2 Posts: 2,371
    nigel4england said:

    Evening all, sorry for the late post,

    Don't be.

    You know me Nigel, always try to be polite to other posters.
  • GeoffMGeoffM Posts: 6,071
    nigel4england said:

    Ishmael_X said:

    BobaFett said:

    AveryLP said:

    Carola said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Well the Daily Mail Front page

    Child Porn: Number 10 aide arrested

    Daily Mail U.K. ‏@DailyMailUK 1m

    Tuesday's @DailyMailUK #MailFrontPages pic.twitter.com/rHX8HFoT1m

    Didn't that bloke also get papped flashing a document on route to no 10?

    Hmmm... the plot thickens.
    You are right to suspect a plot.

    This is but a pawn sacrifice.

    We are not even into the endgame.

    P.S. (sic)

    A cryptic but I suspect important and accurate posting from our man in Central Office.

    I don't think I can take another paedophile story - they turn this blog into a cesspit.
    Have there been that many since your very recent (and welcome) arrival at the site?

    I think he only joined today!
    I love the smell of sarcasm in the morning*

    * well it is here, anyway.

  • Mick_PorkMick_Pork Posts: 6,530
    edited March 2014
    AveryLP said:

    Ishmael_X said:

    Mick_Pork said:

    Ishmael_X said:

    So the competing theories are a. incompetence of one individual b. incompetence of the government, coupled with one individual (the document-carrier) acquiescing in being the patsy in a career-destroying plot.

    He's been sacked then? Odd, you would think that would be trumpeted instead of a confirmation and then further spinning of the story just in case anyone had missed the point.

    "Government officials said that no decisions were taken at the meeting of the NSC. But they confirmed that the call in the document for London's financial centre to kept open to Russians reflected the government's thinking that it wanted to target action against Moscow and not damage British interests."
    Ishmael_X said:

    If we want to leak our intention why not do it via anonymous briefings outside the conference chamber at the EU meeting on Thursday?

    Because those could be easily denied and are anonymous so won't carry much weight.
    This is crystal clear and sends a very loud message out to a City fearful of economic blowback.

    It is of no consequence to me whether you want to believe it's just yet more government incompetence at the heart of Cammie's strategic response to Putin. You are quite welcome to take that view.
    Not sacked afaik yet but it isn't going to play terribly well at his annual appraisal, I think you will agree.

    I just don't see the point of making ourselves look a complete bunch of [moderated] and royally pissing off the U.S. just to get our position on this out in the open.

    Ishmael, the conspiracy theory is just lunacy.
    No, you predicting that Lansley would be PM is conspiracy theory lunacy. This is just spin.


    ""Government officials said that no decisions were taken at the meeting of the NSC. But they confirmed that the call in the document for London's financial centre to kept open to Russians reflected the government's thinking that it wanted to target action against Moscow and not damage British interests."

    I know, your spin is inept and hilarious twaddle Limp Log, but that spin not anything other than a very revealing attempt to push a story that number 10 quite clearly wants out there.

    It's self-evidently a good night to be an inept tory spinner like yourself Limp Log, but don't compound it with your petulant anger.
  • compouter2compouter2 Posts: 2,371
    BobaFett said:

    Patrick Rock was nicked on 13 February. Before the Harman story was hammered... By the same paper.

    Of course they have only got wind of it now, what are you trying to say?
  • Mick_PorkMick_Pork Posts: 6,530
    Gove in 'Gove still a twit' shocker on Newsnight.
  • BobaFettBobaFett Posts: 2,789
    Re: Brogan's story - bit off-key speculating on the sources of his lobby colleagues.
  • MarkSeniorMarkSenior Posts: 4,699
    I see we have Wayne posting again , he has not changed his style from when he used to post in the run up to 2010 .
  • compouter2compouter2 Posts: 2,371
    BobaFett said:

    Re: Brogan's story - bit off-key speculating on the sources of his lobby colleagues.

    He is saying Gove and Gideon are tag teaming against Boris. I thought Gove fell out with Gideon or was that someone else?
  • Mick_PorkMick_Pork Posts: 6,530
    edited March 2014
    We await a "near perfect" response to how Cammie's snoopers charter and internet filter was always a good idea.
  • anotherDaveanotherDave Posts: 6,746
    BobaFett said:

    anotherDave said:

    Benedict Brogan thinks Mr Osborne's attempts to position himself for a leadership contest "is the clearest sign that the [Conservative Party] high command is beginning to panic."

    http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/benedictbrogan/100262024/the-invitation-to-boris-shows-that-the-tories-are-panicking/

    Game theory says do what your opponent least wants you to do. That Ozzy's tilt at the leadership was greeted by raptures among Labourites says not only was it desperate, it was stupid.
    Someone's certainly been talking to the journos. The Speccy put up a contenders list earlier today.

    http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/coffeehouse/2014/03/the-post-cameron-long-list/
  • MrJonesMrJones Posts: 3,523
    anotherDave said:

    Benedict Brogan thinks Mr Osborne's attempts to position himself for a leadership contest "is the clearest sign that the [Conservative Party] high command is beginning to panic."

    http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/benedictbrogan/100262024/the-invitation-to-boris-shows-that-the-tories-are-panicking/

    Is this disgruntled employee day or something?

    (assuming Rock is about that)
  • compouter2compouter2 Posts: 2,371
    anotherDave said:

    BobaFett said:

    anotherDave said:

    Benedict Brogan thinks Mr Osborne's attempts to position himself for a leadership contest "is the clearest sign that the [Conservative Party] high command is beginning to panic."

    http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/benedictbrogan/100262024/the-invitation-to-boris-shows-that-the-tories-are-panicking/

    Game theory says do what your opponent least wants you to do. That Ozzy's tilt at the leadership was greeted by raptures among Labourites says not only was it desperate, it was stupid.
    Someone's certainly been talking to the journos. The Speccy put up a contenders list earlier today.

    http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/coffeehouse/2014/03/the-post-cameron-long-list/
    At least let Dave lose the election first before saying this surely? "Inside and outside of Parliament people are fed up of Old Etonians thinking they can pass on No10 like some sort of play thing or baton"
  • NickPalmerNickPalmer Posts: 21,789
    edited March 2014
    kle4 said:

    On a tangent, heaing all these russian accents talking about revolution in the news encouraged me to spend the past couple of days playing an obscure and not terribly well reviewed game which I've always enjoyed, called Republic: The Revolution.

    Have you tried Tropico? The successive new releases are rather desperate attempt to squeeze more out of the concept, but the original idea is good.
    kle4 said:


    Out of interest, does the Commons have offices for MPs arranged by constituency at all? So that whoever wins in a seat they'd get the same office as the last person?

    No, offices are arranged broadly by party, so you get a bunch of Lab MPs, then a bunch of Tories, etc. - presumably because it means people don't need to keep lowering their voices as they plot :-). The usual choice is between a small office near the Chamber or a bigger one further away, but elements of luck, seniority and maybe favouritism are relevant too.
    Pulpstar said:

    @NickPalmer is playdiplomacy.com down ?

    Need to finalise orders for one of my games :E !

    It's up now!

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