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Rhodes must fall.0
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Carthage must be destroyed.0
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He'll never get nominated, his name is too difficult to pronounce
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fifth like Boris
The political news is a lot less interesting now that nothing is not happening with Brexit.0 -
Indeed and PB traffic is way down. Roll on the next Brexit deadline of October 31stIanB2 said:fifth like Boris
The political news is a lot less interesting now that nothing is not happening with Brexit.0 -
Blooming Turkish immigrants, coming over here and building our monuments.
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I have a hunch that Note Dame will be back!0
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@AlastairMeeks - thanks for sharing the Maddow interview with Buttigieg.
He’s such a refreshing candidate. He doesn’t try to entertain or talk down to his audience, and every response is fluent without being glib. Some criticise him for not getting stuck into the weeds of policy already, but there’s plenty of time for that. Despite his youth, there is something very old-fashioned in his presentation.
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Looking at the graph, it reminds me of the Tory contenders popping up and disappearing - like virtual particles. But the geriatric groper continues to rule (the Democratic one, I mean)0
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That’s just a derivation of the old Celtic migration theoryJosiasJessop said:Blooming Turkish immigrants, coming over here and building our monuments.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-47938188
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This is a highly unfortunate way of putting it:
Between 1792 and 1806, Pitt lived at Walmer Castle, and conceived the Glen with his niece, Lady Hester Stanhope.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/apr/16/tuesday-briefing-notre-dame-fire-we-will-rebuild0 -
Parliament on holiday?MikeSmithson said:
Indeed and PB traffic is way down. Roll on the next Brexit deadline of October 31stIanB2 said:fifth like Boris
The political news is a lot less interesting now that nothing is not happening with Brexit.0 -
The old ways were differentydoethur said:This is a highly unfortunate way of putting it:
Between 1792 and 1806, Pitt lived at Walmer Castle, and conceived the Glen with his niece, Lady Hester Stanhope.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/apr/16/tuesday-briefing-notre-dame-fire-we-will-rebuild
As they used to say: incest is best kept in the family0 -
Well no, since Turks themselves are from Central Asia...JosiasJessop said:Blooming Turkish immigrants, coming over here and building our monuments.
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I think it's great that Alderman Pete / Mayor May's Gillam is running. I look forward to "that ain't right" being chanted across the country at His rallies0
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Indeed yes. It's always amused me that the Book of Common Prayer exhorts the crown to 'rightly and indifferently minister justice.'Charles said:
The old ways were differentydoethur said:This is a highly unfortunate way of putting it:
Between 1792 and 1806, Pitt lived at Walmer Castle, and conceived the Glen with his niece, Lady Hester Stanhope.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/apr/16/tuesday-briefing-notre-dame-fire-we-will-rebuild
As they used to say: incest is best kept in the family0 -
Buttigieg ideologically seems little different to Hillary in 2016, just with slicker marketing and a fresher face, that could be a problem for him in taking on the likes of Sanders, O'Rourke and Warren given 57% of Democratic primary voters according to new Ashcroft polling want a more liberal, progressive candidate and policies in 2020 to just 28% of Democrats who want another centrist moderate like Hillary
http://lordashcroftpolls.com/2019/04/the-battle-lines-for-2020-what-my-polling-says-about-the-next-presidential-election/0 -
I think your response touches on why he might just succeed - he receives positive reviews from conservatives as well as liberals.RoyalBlue said:@AlastairMeeks - thanks for sharing the Maddow interview with Buttigieg.
He’s such a refreshing candidate. He doesn’t try to entertain or talk down to his audience, and every response is fluent without being glib. Some criticise him for not getting stuck into the weeds of policy already, but there’s plenty of time for that. Despite his youth, there is something very old-fashioned in his presentation.
Go Pete
I think the ‘something very old-fashioned’ is natural politeness. He seems able to criticise without automatically giving offence - very much the anti-Clinton (H).
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Remain still solidly ahead in the most recent poll.
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Government has followed the second part of that injunction ever since.ydoethur said:
Indeed yes. It's always amused me that the Book of Common Prayer exhorts the crown to 'rightly and indifferently minister justice.'Charles said:
The old ways were differentydoethur said:This is a highly unfortunate way of putting it:
Between 1792 and 1806, Pitt lived at Walmer Castle, and conceived the Glen with his niece, Lady Hester Stanhope.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/apr/16/tuesday-briefing-notre-dame-fire-we-will-rebuild
As they used to say: incest is best kept in the family
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Well, it appears it's *evidence* that supports (at least partially) that theory.Charles said:
That’s just a derivation of the old Celtic migration theoryJosiasJessop said:Blooming Turkish immigrants, coming over here and building our monuments.
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I fear the point has gone whistling merrily over your head.brokenwheel said:
Well no, since Turks themselves are from Central Asia...JosiasJessop said:Blooming Turkish immigrants, coming over here and building our monuments.
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I was enjoying the temporary cessation of hostilities.MikeSmithson said:
Indeed and PB traffic is way down. Roll on the next Brexit deadline of October 31stIanB2 said:fifth like Boris
The political news is a lot less interesting now that nothing is not happening with Brexit.0 -
Aren’t we doing what Donald Tusk fervently asked us not to? Wasting this time?Nigelb said:
I was enjoying the temporary cessation of hostilities.MikeSmithson said:
Indeed and PB traffic is way down. Roll on the next Brexit deadline of October 31stIanB2 said:fifth like Boris
The political news is a lot less interesting now that nothing is not happening with Brexit.0 -
Maddow did not ask Mayor Pete the most important question, which is why, as a US Navy officer, he was deployed to Afghanistan, a land-locked country.Nigelb said:
I think your response touches on why he might just succeed - he receives positive reviews from conservatives as well as liberals.RoyalBlue said:@AlastairMeeks - thanks for sharing the Maddow interview with Buttigieg.
He’s such a refreshing candidate. He doesn’t try to entertain or talk down to his audience, and every response is fluent without being glib. Some criticise him for not getting stuck into the weeds of policy already, but there’s plenty of time for that. Despite his youth, there is something very old-fashioned in his presentation.
Go Pete
I think the ‘something very old-fashioned’ is natural politeness. He seems able to criticise without automatically giving offence - very much the anti-Clinton (H).0 -
He's young, he's photogenic, he's gay. Does it matter what his policies are? This is the US Presidential race, policy doesn't matter that much.HYUFD said:Buttigieg ideologically seems little different to Hillary in 2016, just with slicker marketing and a fresher face, that could be a problem for him in taking on the likes of Sanders, O'Rourke and Warren given 57% of Democratic primary voters according to new Ashcroft polling want a more liberal, progressive candidate and policies in 2020 to just 28% of Democrats who want another centrist moderate like Hillary
http://lordashcroftpolls.com/2019/04/the-battle-lines-for-2020-what-my-polling-says-about-the-next-presidential-election/0 -
I don't think he will get nominated this time around but what he is setting himself up for nicely is 2024, especially if the Democrats go for a left-wing / SJW candidate who is roundly beaten by Trump. He would only be 41 the next time round.Nigelb said:
I think your response touches on why he might just succeed - he receives positive reviews from conservatives as well as liberals.RoyalBlue said:@AlastairMeeks - thanks for sharing the Maddow interview with Buttigieg.
He’s such a refreshing candidate. He doesn’t try to entertain or talk down to his audience, and every response is fluent without being glib. Some criticise him for not getting stuck into the weeds of policy already, but there’s plenty of time for that. Despite his youth, there is something very old-fashioned in his presentation.
Go Pete
I think the ‘something very old-fashioned’ is natural politeness. He seems able to criticise without automatically giving offence - very much the anti-Clinton (H).
Also interesting that, since his rise, we have been hearing less about Beto. I think Pete is a more acceptable version of what Beto stands for (youth, hope etc) and without the baggage.0 -
I was talking about PB, not parliament.Cyclefree said:
Aren’t we doing what Donald Tusk fervently asked us not to? Wasting this time?Nigelb said:
I was enjoying the temporary cessation of hostilities.MikeSmithson said:
Indeed and PB traffic is way down. Roll on the next Brexit deadline of October 31stIanB2 said:fifth like Boris
The political news is a lot less interesting now that nothing is not happening with Brexit.
We’ve already done all we can in providing solutions to the Brexit conundrum...
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ONI.DecrepitJohnL said:
Maddow did not ask Mayor Pete the most important question, which is why, as a US Navy officer, he was deployed to Afghanistan, a land-locked country.Nigelb said:
I think your response touches on why he might just succeed - he receives positive reviews from conservatives as well as liberals.RoyalBlue said:@AlastairMeeks - thanks for sharing the Maddow interview with Buttigieg.
He’s such a refreshing candidate. He doesn’t try to entertain or talk down to his audience, and every response is fluent without being glib. Some criticise him for not getting stuck into the weeds of policy already, but there’s plenty of time for that. Despite his youth, there is something very old-fashioned in his presentation.
Go Pete
I think the ‘something very old-fashioned’ is natural politeness. He seems able to criticise without automatically giving offence - very much the anti-Clinton (H).
Probably focusing on targets for the navy planes/cruise missiles.0 -
No, simply your “point” is meaningless and ignorant.JosiasJessop said:
I fear the point has gone whistling merrily over your head.brokenwheel said:
Well no, since Turks themselves are from Central Asia...JosiasJessop said:Blooming Turkish immigrants, coming over here and building our monuments.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-479381880 -
....and without Beto's creepily adoring wife.TheKitchenCabinet said:
I don't think he will get nominated this time around but what he is setting himself up for nicely is 2024, especially if the Democrats go for a left-wing / SJW candidate who is roundly beaten by Trump. He would only be 41 the next time round.Nigelb said:
I think your response touches on why he might just succeed - he receives positive reviews from conservatives as well as liberals.RoyalBlue said:@AlastairMeeks - thanks for sharing the Maddow interview with Buttigieg.
He’s such a refreshing candidate. He doesn’t try to entertain or talk down to his audience, and every response is fluent without being glib. Some criticise him for not getting stuck into the weeds of policy already, but there’s plenty of time for that. Despite his youth, there is something very old-fashioned in his presentation.
Go Pete
I think the ‘something very old-fashioned’ is natural politeness. He seems able to criticise without automatically giving offence - very much the anti-Clinton (H).
Also interesting that, since his rise, we have been hearing less about Beto. I think Pete is a more acceptable version of what Beto stands for (youth, hope etc) and without the baggage.0 -
PB worked in the Kennedy Irregular Warfare Center so he was probably providing analysis to support USN SpecOps.DecrepitJohnL said:
Maddow did not ask Mayor Pete the most important question, which is why, as a US Navy officer, he was deployed to Afghanistan, a land-locked country.Nigelb said:
I think your response touches on why he might just succeed - he receives positive reviews from conservatives as well as liberals.RoyalBlue said:@AlastairMeeks - thanks for sharing the Maddow interview with Buttigieg.
He’s such a refreshing candidate. He doesn’t try to entertain or talk down to his audience, and every response is fluent without being glib. Some criticise him for not getting stuck into the weeds of policy already, but there’s plenty of time for that. Despite his youth, there is something very old-fashioned in his presentation.
Go Pete
I think the ‘something very old-fashioned’ is natural politeness. He seems able to criticise without automatically giving offence - very much the anti-Clinton (H).0 -
So what do you think my point is, for I fear you've misunderstood it.brokenwheel said:
No, simply your point is meaningless.JosiasJessop said:
I fear the point has gone whistling merrily over your head.brokenwheel said:
Well no, since Turks themselves are from Central Asia...JosiasJessop said:Blooming Turkish immigrants, coming over here and building our monuments.
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Yes, but evidence is already well established & I think the theory is pretty commonly accepted now.JosiasJessop said:
Well, it appears it's *evidence* that supports (at least partially) that theory.Charles said:
That’s just a derivation of the old Celtic migration theoryJosiasJessop said:Blooming Turkish immigrants, coming over here and building our monuments.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-47938188
The BBC is getting breathlessly excited about old news (and the Stonehenge angle is marginal to the story despite being the headline). The earliest megaliths are In the coastal regions of Galicia and Brittany (Carnac being the best known) so it’s not surprising that they spread north from there to the UK.0 -
The pictures from Notre Dame this morning are encouraging despite the dreadful fire. Of course during the restoration many works of art had been removed and apparently crowds of helpers removed many more while the fire burned overhead.
For many, including my wife and I, the pictures of the smoking and devastated inside of the Cathedral with the cross shining through the gloom will be deeply emotional and an inspiration
It reminds one of the lines in 'Abide with me'
'Shine through the gloom and point me to the skies'0 -
For those that didn't see it on the last thread, here it is:RoyalBlue said:@AlastairMeeks - thanks for sharing the Maddow interview with Buttigieg.
He’s such a refreshing candidate. He doesn’t try to entertain or talk down to his audience, and every response is fluent without being glib. Some criticise him for not getting stuck into the weeds of policy already, but there’s plenty of time for that. Despite his youth, there is something very old-fashioned in his presentation.
Go Pete
https://twitter.com/MollyJongFast/status/1117981380258955264
He's obviously very comfortable in his own skin.0 -
There are solutions?!Nigelb said:
I was talking about PB, not parliament.Cyclefree said:
Aren’t we doing what Donald Tusk fervently asked us not to? Wasting this time?Nigelb said:
I was enjoying the temporary cessation of hostilities.MikeSmithson said:
Indeed and PB traffic is way down. Roll on the next Brexit deadline of October 31stIanB2 said:fifth like Boris
The political news is a lot less interesting now that nothing is not happening with Brexit.
We’ve already done all we can in providing solutions to the Brexit conundrum...
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I wonder if the rebuilding of Notre Dame will require most of the skilled stoneworkers and woodworkers from the EU? Stonework in particular is very time-consuming to carve.
(ISTR an automated stone-carving system for freestone; essentially takes a CAD output and does either all the carving, or the majority leaving thee final touches to human hand. But I can't find a link immediately.)0 -
Counterterrorism intelligence officer.DecrepitJohnL said:
Maddow did not ask Mayor Pete the most important question, which is why, as a US Navy officer, he was deployed to Afghanistan, a land-locked country.Nigelb said:
I think your response touches on why he might just succeed - he receives positive reviews from conservatives as well as liberals.RoyalBlue said:@AlastairMeeks - thanks for sharing the Maddow interview with Buttigieg.
He’s such a refreshing candidate. He doesn’t try to entertain or talk down to his audience, and every response is fluent without being glib. Some criticise him for not getting stuck into the weeds of policy already, but there’s plenty of time for that. Despite his youth, there is something very old-fashioned in his presentation.
Go Pete
I think the ‘something very old-fashioned’ is natural politeness. He seems able to criticise without automatically giving offence - very much the anti-Clinton (H).
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I hope not. There are always more articles need writing.Cyclefree said:
There are solutions?!Nigelb said:
I was talking about PB, not parliament.Cyclefree said:
Aren’t we doing what Donald Tusk fervently asked us not to? Wasting this time?Nigelb said:
I was enjoying the temporary cessation of hostilities.MikeSmithson said:
Indeed and PB traffic is way down. Roll on the next Brexit deadline of October 31stIanB2 said:fifth like Boris
The political news is a lot less interesting now that nothing is not happening with Brexit.
We’ve already done all we can in providing solutions to the Brexit conundrum...0 -
Perhaps, so really in that case Mayor Pete needs Trump to be re elected, if Sanders beats Trump with say O'Rourke as his VP then that is probably the end of Buttigieg's presidential ambitionsTheKitchenCabinet said:
I don't think he will get nominated this time around but what he is setting himself up for nicely is 2024, especially if the Democrats go for a left-wing / SJW candidate who is roundly beaten by Trump. He would only be 41 the next time round.Nigelb said:
I think your response touches on why he might just succeed - he receives positive reviews from conservatives as well as liberals.RoyalBlue said:@AlastairMeeks - thanks for sharing the Maddow interview with Buttigieg.
He’s such a refreshing candidate. He doesn’t try to entertain or talk down to his audience, and every response is fluent without being glib. Some criticise him for not getting stuck into the weeds of policy already, but there’s plenty of time for that. Despite his youth, there is something very old-fashioned in his presentation.
Go Pete
I think the ‘something very old-fashioned’ is natural politeness. He seems able to criticise without automatically giving offence - very much the anti-Clinton (H).
Also interesting that, since his rise, we have been hearing less about Beto. I think Pete is a more acceptable version of what Beto stands for (youth, hope etc) and without the baggage.0 -
Yes. We can Brexit with No Deal or we can revoke Article 50.Cyclefree said:
There are solutions?!Nigelb said:
I was talking about PB, not parliament.Cyclefree said:
Aren’t we doing what Donald Tusk fervently asked us not to? Wasting this time?Nigelb said:
I was enjoying the temporary cessation of hostilities.MikeSmithson said:
Indeed and PB traffic is way down. Roll on the next Brexit deadline of October 31stIanB2 said:fifth like Boris
The political news is a lot less interesting now that nothing is not happening with Brexit.
We’ve already done all we can in providing solutions to the Brexit conundrum...
Oh you wanted good solutions.0 -
There were, but parliament refused to vote for any of them.Cyclefree said:
There are solutions?!Nigelb said:
I was talking about PB, not parliament.Cyclefree said:
Aren’t we doing what Donald Tusk fervently asked us not to? Wasting this time?Nigelb said:
I was enjoying the temporary cessation of hostilities.MikeSmithson said:
Indeed and PB traffic is way down. Roll on the next Brexit deadline of October 31stIanB2 said:fifth like Boris
The political news is a lot less interesting now that nothing is not happening with Brexit.
We’ve already done all we can in providing solutions to the Brexit conundrum...
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Yes - that picture is like the one of St Paul’s during WW2. Defiance amongst disaster.Big_G_NorthWales said:The pictures from Notre Dame this morning are encouraging despite the dreadful fire. Of course during the restoration many works of art had been removed and apparently crowds of helpers removed many more while the fire burned overhead.
For many, including my wife and I, the pictures of the smoking and devastated inside of the Cathedral with the cross shining through the gloom will be deeply emotional and an inspiration
It reminds one of the lines in 'Abide with me'
'Shine through the gloom and point me to the skies'
300 million euros already pledged for the reconstruction by two French businessmen.0 -
Except Remain tends to trail all the Brexit options still when you combine No Deal, Deal and SM and Customs Union BINO supoorters. Leave won narrowly when it combined all the latter, the problem it is having is now trying to keep them all togetherRecidivist said:Remain still solidly ahead in the most recent poll.
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And it hasn't even been retouched...Cyclefree said:
Yes - that picture is like the one of St Paul’s during WW2. Defiance amongst disaster.Big_G_NorthWales said:The pictures from Notre Dame this morning are encouraging despite the dreadful fire. Of course during the restoration many works of art had been removed and apparently crowds of helpers removed many more while the fire burned overhead.
For many, including my wife and I, the pictures of the smoking and devastated inside of the Cathedral with the cross shining through the gloom will be deeply emotional and an inspiration
It reminds one of the lines in 'Abide with me'
'Shine through the gloom and point me to the skies'0 -
Yes it does, especially in the primaries. Buttigieg could just be the Democrats' Rubio to Sanders' Trump when the activists are putting ideology firstRochdalePioneers said:
He's young, he's photogenic, he's gay. Does it matter what his policies are? This is the US Presidential race, policy doesn't matter that much.HYUFD said:Buttigieg ideologically seems little different to Hillary in 2016, just with slicker marketing and a fresher face, that could be a problem for him in taking on the likes of Sanders, O'Rourke and Warren given 57% of Democratic primary voters according to new Ashcroft polling want a more liberal, progressive candidate and policies in 2020 to just 28% of Democrats who want another centrist moderate like Hillary
http://lordashcroftpolls.com/2019/04/the-battle-lines-for-2020-what-my-polling-says-about-the-next-presidential-election/0 -
Frankly, were it not for the prospect of more articles from Mr Meeks, I would be happy never to hear the word Brexit ever again.TheScreamingEagles said:
Yes. We can Brexit with No Deal or we can revoke Article 50.Cyclefree said:
There are solutions?!Nigelb said:
I was talking about PB, not parliament.Cyclefree said:
Aren’t we doing what Donald Tusk fervently asked us not to? Wasting this time?Nigelb said:
I was enjoying the temporary cessation of hostilities.MikeSmithson said:
Indeed and PB traffic is way down. Roll on the next Brexit deadline of October 31stIanB2 said:fifth like Boris
The political news is a lot less interesting now that nothing is not happening with Brexit.
We’ve already done all we can in providing solutions to the Brexit conundrum...
Oh you wanted good solutions.0 -
I'm actually visiting the palace today. Not sure it will be there in 10 years when they plan to decant.Scott_P said:
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There’s no ‘now’ - that was always the problem, and will continue to be so.HYUFD said:
Except Remain tends to trail all the Brexit options still when you combine No Deal, Deal and SM and Customs Union BINO supoorters. Leave won narrowly when it combined all the latter, the problem it is having is now trying to keep them all togetherRecidivist said:Remain still solidly ahead in the most recent poll.
https://twitter.com/EuropeElects/status/1117903435725246464
Most leavers seem quite determined that their particular flavour of Brexit was given an unbreachable democratic mandate three years ago, to the exclusion of all others.
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But we can only actually do one kind of Brexit.HYUFD said:
Except Remain tends to trail all the Brexit options still when you combine No Deal, Deal and SM and Customs Union BINO supoorters. Leave won narrowly when it combined all the latter, the problem it is having is now trying to keep them all togetherRecidivist said:Remain still solidly ahead in the most recent poll.
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Impressive guy. Would be credible although possibly a little youngAlastairMeeks said:
For those that didn't see it on the last thread, here it is:RoyalBlue said:@AlastairMeeks - thanks for sharing the Maddow interview with Buttigieg.
He’s such a refreshing candidate. He doesn’t try to entertain or talk down to his audience, and every response is fluent without being glib. Some criticise him for not getting stuck into the weeds of policy already, but there’s plenty of time for that. Despite his youth, there is something very old-fashioned in his presentation.
Go Pete
https://twitter.com/MollyJongFast/status/1117981380258955264
He's obviously very comfortable in his own skin.0 -
Yes, that would scupper his ambitions. Already looking forward though to a Pete-Pence contest in 2024, that would be an interesting one to say the least....HYUFD said:
Perhaps, so really in that case Mayor Pete needs Trump to be re elected, if Sanders beats Trump with say O'Rourke as his VP then that is probably the end of Buttigieg's presidential ambitionsTheKitchenCabinet said:
I don't think he will get nominated this time around but what he is setting himself up for nicely is 2024, especially if the Democrats go for a left-wing / SJW candidate who is roundly beaten by Trump. He would only be 41 the next time round.Nigelb said:
I think your response touches on why he might just succeed - he receives positive reviews from conservatives as well as liberals.RoyalBlue said:@AlastairMeeks - thanks for sharing the Maddow interview with Buttigieg.
He’s such a refreshing candidate. He doesn’t try to entertain or talk down to his audience, and every response is fluent without being glib. Some criticise him for not getting stuck into the weeds of policy already, but there’s plenty of time for that. Despite his youth, there is something very old-fashioned in his presentation.
Go Pete
I think the ‘something very old-fashioned’ is natural politeness. He seems able to criticise without automatically giving offence - very much the anti-Clinton (H).
Also interesting that, since his rise, we have been hearing less about Beto. I think Pete is a more acceptable version of what Beto stands for (youth, hope etc) and without the baggage.0 -
But that really does not seem to be the dynamic.HYUFD said:
Yes it does, especially in the primaries. Buttigieg could just be the Democrats' Rubio to Sanders' Trump when the activists are putting ideology firstRochdalePioneers said:
He's young, he's photogenic, he's gay. Does it matter what his policies are? This is the US Presidential race, policy doesn't matter that much.HYUFD said:Buttigieg ideologically seems little different to Hillary in 2016, just with slicker marketing and a fresher face, that could be a problem for him in taking on the likes of Sanders, O'Rourke and Warren given 57% of Democratic primary voters according to new Ashcroft polling want a more liberal, progressive candidate and policies in 2020 to just 28% of Democrats who want another centrist moderate like Hillary
http://lordashcroftpolls.com/2019/04/the-battle-lines-for-2020-what-my-polling-says-about-the-next-presidential-election/
Why else would most Biden and Sanders voters currently have the other as their second preference ?
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There’s merit to this approach.Cyclefree said:
Frankly, were it not for the prospect of more articles from Mr Meeks, I would be happy never to hear the word Brexit ever again.TheScreamingEagles said:
Yes. We can Brexit with No Deal or we can revoke Article 50.Cyclefree said:
There are solutions?!Nigelb said:
I was talking about PB, not parliament.Cyclefree said:
Aren’t we doing what Donald Tusk fervently asked us not to? Wasting this time?Nigelb said:
I was enjoying the temporary cessation of hostilities.MikeSmithson said:
Indeed and PB traffic is way down. Roll on the next Brexit deadline of October 31stIanB2 said:fifth like Boris
The political news is a lot less interesting now that nothing is not happening with Brexit.
We’ve already done all we can in providing solutions to the Brexit conundrum...
Oh you wanted good solutions.
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I'm not sure that PB hot air is quite as critical to the negotiations that you seem to imply. Chill.Cyclefree said:
Aren’t we doing what Donald Tusk fervently asked us not to? Wasting this time?Nigelb said:
I was enjoying the temporary cessation of hostilities.MikeSmithson said:
Indeed and PB traffic is way down. Roll on the next Brexit deadline of October 31stIanB2 said:fifth like Boris
The political news is a lot less interesting now that nothing is not happening with Brexit.0 -
Wouldn’t work for somewhere this iconic.JosiasJessop said:I wonder if the rebuilding of Notre Dame will require most of the skilled stoneworkers and woodworkers from the EU? Stonework in particular is very time-consuming to carve.
(ISTR an automated stone-carving system for freestone; essentially takes a CAD output and does either all the carving, or the majority leaving thee final touches to human hand. But I can't find a link immediately.)0 -
To be honest, a breather and time to reflect on options while we have the Local elections, then full on Brexit vs Revoke mania for the Euros seems a fine way to manage the next six weeks.Cyclefree said:
Aren’t we doing what Donald Tusk fervently asked us not to? Wasting this time?Nigelb said:
I was enjoying the temporary cessation of hostilities.MikeSmithson said:
Indeed and PB traffic is way down. Roll on the next Brexit deadline of October 31stIanB2 said:fifth like Boris
The political news is a lot less interesting now that nothing is not happening with Brexit.0 -
That was inevitable hence why Macron was right to want a short extension.Cyclefree said:
Aren’t we doing what Donald Tusk fervently asked us not to? Wasting this time?Nigelb said:
I was enjoying the temporary cessation of hostilities.MikeSmithson said:
Indeed and PB traffic is way down. Roll on the next Brexit deadline of October 31stIanB2 said:fifth like Boris
The political news is a lot less interesting now that nothing is not happening with Brexit.0 -
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Bad reporting of the day:
"The cathedral was built primarily of limestone, which is flammable..."
https://www.thisisinsider.com/heres-what-led-to-the-collapse-of-the-notre-dame-cathedral-2019-40 -
I can see why May would want a deal before the Euro elections. Everyone else will hope to be in a stronger position after the elections.Foxy said:
To be honest, a breather and time to reflect on options while we have the Local elections, then full on Brexit vs Revoke mania for the Euros seems a fine way to manage the next six weeks.Cyclefree said:
Aren’t we doing what Donald Tusk fervently asked us not to? Wasting this time?Nigelb said:
I was enjoying the temporary cessation of hostilities.MikeSmithson said:
Indeed and PB traffic is way down. Roll on the next Brexit deadline of October 31stIanB2 said:fifth like Boris
The political news is a lot less interesting now that nothing is not happening with Brexit.0 -
They’re using it for la Sagrada Familia in Barcelona which has advanced its completion date from the middle of the next century to the middle of the next decade.Charles said:
Wouldn’t work for somewhere this iconic.JosiasJessop said:I wonder if the rebuilding of Notre Dame will require most of the skilled stoneworkers and woodworkers from the EU? Stonework in particular is very time-consuming to carve.
(ISTR an automated stone-carving system for freestone; essentially takes a CAD output and does either all the carving, or the majority leaving thee final touches to human hand. But I can't find a link immediately.)0 -
The final sentence of this looks significant to me (though less so since the speaker will be out of power shortly):
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Buttigieg has a great shot at the Dem nomination but when it comes to the General is he the best candidate to take down Bill Weld? I'm not so sure.0
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Haven’t read it, but it’s about polling so people may be interested
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That's good news. According to Wiki, the Rose Window at York Minster was visibly intact after the 1984 fire. Unfortunately it had cracked into thousands of pieces, had to be taken down, and restored.AlastairMeeks said:
"The convectional heat from the fire cracked the 7000 pieces of glass in the window in about
40,000 places. Although severely cracked, the window remained in one piece"
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F1: I offered seven (or fourteen, counting each way aspects) tips on tiny stakes bets the other day.
Perez has fallen from 1501 (without boost) to 751, and Stroll has gone from 2501 to 1001. (I think it was 1751 and 3001 with boost, respectively). Still ever so slightly odds against but interesting to see such significant falls. I wonder if others have been backing Racing Point, or those drivers specifically, as both have had Azerbaijan podium results relatively recently.
Special to specially ignore:
Hamilton get 92 wins or more by 2020, at 3.75. Those with long memories might recall I tipped Hamilton get 92 wins or more, with no time limit, at 9 last year. He requires about 17 more wins to do it this year. Not impossible, but odds against.0 -
Given certain brexiteers dont believe leaving the EU is leaving the EU, even if with options that years ago they would have accepted as leaving the EU, I still think there's merit in the idea of revoking but just telling Baker, Francois and co that we have left. If Grieve and Bercow can be persuaded to rein in any smug self satisfaction at us remaining I think we could fool the former two and their compatriots.TheScreamingEagles said:
There’s merit to this approach.Cyclefree said:
Frankly, were it not for the prospect of more articles from Mr Meeks, I would be happy never to hear the word Brexit ever again.TheScreamingEagles said:
Yes. We can Brexit with No Deal or we can revoke Article 50.Cyclefree said:
There are solutions?!Nigelb said:
I was talking about PB, not parliament.Cyclefree said:
Aren’t we doing what Donald Tusk fervently asked us not to? Wasting this time?Nigelb said:
I was enjoying the temporary cessation of hostilities.MikeSmithson said:
Indeed and PB traffic is way down. Roll on the next Brexit deadline of October 31stIanB2 said:fifth like Boris
The political news is a lot less interesting now that nothing is not happening with Brexit.
We’ve already done all we can in providing solutions to the Brexit conundrum...
Oh you wanted good solutions.0 -
My French cousin trained as a cathedral stonemason so I have an interest!CarlottaVance said:
They’re using it for la Sagrada Familia in Barcelona which has advanced its completion date from the middle of the next century to the middle of the next decade.Charles said:
Wouldn’t work for somewhere this iconic.JosiasJessop said:I wonder if the rebuilding of Notre Dame will require most of the skilled stoneworkers and woodworkers from the EU? Stonework in particular is very time-consuming to carve.
(ISTR an automated stone-carving system for freestone; essentially takes a CAD output and does either all the carving, or the majority leaving thee final touches to human hand. But I can't find a link immediately.)0 -
The “we” reference is to the British political class. Not us in particular.felix said:
I'm not sure that PB hot air is quite as critical to the negotiations that you seem to imply. Chill.Cyclefree said:
Aren’t we doing what Donald Tusk fervently asked us not to? Wasting this time?Nigelb said:
I was enjoying the temporary cessation of hostilities.MikeSmithson said:
Indeed and PB traffic is way down. Roll on the next Brexit deadline of October 31stIanB2 said:fifth like Boris
The political news is a lot less interesting now that nothing is not happening with Brexit.0 -
You want bad reporting? Try the Mail:JosiasJessop said:Bad reporting of the day:
"The cathedral was built primarily of limestone, which is flammable..."
https://www.thisisinsider.com/heres-what-led-to-the-collapse-of-the-notre-dame-cathedral-2019-4
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6926257/ROBERT-HARDMAN-witnesses-inside-ravaged-Notre-Dame.html
A more ridiculous mix of hyperbole and bollocks I have never read. It was like Laura Pidcock's maiden speech only longer.0 -
That's a dumb thing to say. Just give Orban and Poland carte Blanche to do as they wish, because we will never kick them out...AlastairMeeks said:The final sentence of this looks significant to me (though less so since the speaker will be out of power shortly):
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You'll all be pleased to hear that I'm leaving that other stuff behind on the last thread.
Meanwhile - last night walking home from the station I spotted a car festooned with flags. Strange, thought I, no footy tournament at the moment. On closer inspection it was some sort of UKIP campaign vehicle, complete with hand written signs and stickers. The driver looked more like the sort of person you hope won't sit next to you on the bus than golf club gammon.
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The newer bits of the Sagrada Familia are not great, nothing like the twisted genius of the older bits.CarlottaVance said:
They’re using it for la Sagrada Familia in Barcelona which has advanced its completion date from the middle of the next century to the middle of the next decade.Charles said:
Wouldn’t work for somewhere this iconic.JosiasJessop said:I wonder if the rebuilding of Notre Dame will require most of the skilled stoneworkers and woodworkers from the EU? Stonework in particular is very time-consuming to carve.
(ISTR an automated stone-carving system for freestone; essentially takes a CAD output and does either all the carving, or the majority leaving thee final touches to human hand. But I can't find a link immediately.)0 -
If he’s French I suspect he stands a decent chance of prevailing over automation!Charles said:
My French cousin trained as a cathedral stonemason so I have an interest!CarlottaVance said:
They’re using it for la Sagrada Familia in Barcelona which has advanced its completion date from the middle of the next century to the middle of the next decade.Charles said:
Wouldn’t work for somewhere this iconic.JosiasJessop said:I wonder if the rebuilding of Notre Dame will require most of the skilled stoneworkers and woodworkers from the EU? Stonework in particular is very time-consuming to carve.
(ISTR an automated stone-carving system for freestone; essentially takes a CAD output and does either all the carving, or the majority leaving thee final touches to human hand. But I can't find a link immediately.)0 -
Sloppy conjugaison but a decent accent especially on the vowel sounds which few Anglos get anywhere close to right.CarlottaVance said:0 -
He's good and we have someone in the same vein. Javid opening up yesterday in his speech on knife crime. Searingly personal.RoyalBlue said:@AlastairMeeks - thanks for sharing the Maddow interview with Buttigieg.
He’s such a refreshing candidate. He doesn’t try to entertain or talk down to his audience, and every response is fluent without being glib. Some criticise him for not getting stuck into the weeds of policy already, but there’s plenty of time for that. Despite his youth, there is something very old-fashioned in his presentation.
Go Pete0 -
Great to see a header on Buttigieg. I am pleased to say I have been on the mayor since February and if he becomes POTUS I am looking at my biggest ever win.
Lot of road to go yet, and I did lay a little last night.0 -
One had forgotten the dross “news” TV and newspapers filled air/space with in the absence of breathless Brexit updates. The Notre Dame fire will be a godsend for “going live” updates and tortuous analogy based articles. FFS even Rachel Sylvester in The Times has had to put effort into an article which isn’t a one note “May is evil” piece.0
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It depends on cost and timescales. For one thing, it's not as if blocks of stone are hewn from the quarry using feathers and wedges any more. I see few people having a problem with roughly carving a block for a statue, corbel, vaulting or boss or into a shape, and having a skilled mason carving the details with the usual human flourishes and imperfections.Charles said:
Wouldn’t work for somewhere this iconic.JosiasJessop said:I wonder if the rebuilding of Notre Dame will require most of the skilled stoneworkers and woodworkers from the EU? Stonework in particular is very time-consuming to carve.
(ISTR an automated stone-carving system for freestone; essentially takes a CAD output and does either all the carving, or the majority leaving thee final touches to human hand. But I can't find a link immediately.)
And for unseen mass block- or woodwork, I see little issue with full automation.0 -
As a large number of Biden voters are blue collar and like Sanders' style and are actually quite left economically even if more conservative socially, the Ashcroft poll shows almost 60% of Democrat voters want a liberal progressive candidate in 2020Nigelb said:
But that really does not seem to be the dynamic.HYUFD said:
Yes it does, especially in the primaries. Buttigieg could just be the Democrats' Rubio to Sanders' Trump when the activists are putting ideology firstRochdalePioneers said:
He's young, he's photogenic, he's gay. Does it matter what his policies are? This is the US Presidential race, policy doesn't matter that much.HYUFD said:Buttigieg ideologically seems little different to Hillary in 2016, just with slicker marketing and a fresher face, that could be a problem for him in taking on the likes of Sanders, O'Rourke and Warren given 57% of Democratic primary voters according to new Ashcroft polling want a more liberal, progressive candidate and policies in 2020 to just 28% of Democrats who want another centrist moderate like Hillary
http://lordashcroftpolls.com/2019/04/the-battle-lines-for-2020-what-my-polling-says-about-the-next-presidential-election/
Why else would most Biden and Sanders voters currently have the other as their second preference ?0 -
One thing to note about Pete Buttigieg is that people want to find out about him:
https://twitter.com/thehill/status/1112824468030873603
He has the opportunity to make an impression.
I essentially agree with David Herdson that his price is objectively too short right now but he has the opportunity to justify that price. While he's presenting with the assurance that he is currently mustering, his price is likely to shorten rather than to lengthen.0 -
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I think most hard Brexiteers would back a softer Brexit reluctantly over No Deal but many soft Brexiteers would prefer Remain over No Deal or a very hard BrexitRecidivist said:
But we can only actually do one kind of Brexit.HYUFD said:
Except Remain tends to trail all the Brexit options still when you combine No Deal, Deal and SM and Customs Union BINO supoorters. Leave won narrowly when it combined all the latter, the problem it is having is now trying to keep them all togetherRecidivist said:Remain still solidly ahead in the most recent poll.
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I've laid him back to ~0 in my book, his price is crackers - Sanders is still the front runner if Biden doesn't run, and it is a two horse race if he does.0
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Yes, those are interesting maps, though without knowledge of local geographies difficult to interpret.isam said:
It does show that whether in Rotherham or Cambridge there were significant minorities at odds with their neighbours.0 -
In my limited experience gays tend to have better than average linguistic abilities. One theory is that a lifetime spent being hypersensitive to the words and behaviours of others and oneself (to avoid being discovered/attacked) makes one more likely to pick up on the small differences of spoken language that others miss. Perhaps it has something to do with differences in the brain.Dura_Ace said:
Sloppy conjugaison but a decent accent especially on the vowel sounds which few Anglos get anywhere close to right.CarlottaVance said:
Anyway, good to hear an Anglophone politician at least making the effort.0 -
Anglophone? I thought he was an American?RoyalBlue said:
In my limited experience gays tend to have better than average linguistic abilities. One theory is that a lifetime spent being hypersensitive to the words and behaviours of others and oneself (to avoid being discovered/attacked) makes one more likely to pick up on the small differences of spoken language that others miss. Perhaps it has something to do with differences in the brain.Dura_Ace said:
Sloppy conjugaison but a decent accent especially on the vowel sounds which few Anglos get anywhere close to right.CarlottaVance said:
Anyway, good to hear an Anglophone politician at least making the effort.0
