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Not their raison d'etre.Theuniondivvie said:
Lol, it's amazing how accurately one can predict a poster from a post before seeing their name.HYUFD said:
The LDs and Greens both got better swings than the SNP and as the former are Unionists that suggests independence is of reduced relevance in Scotland too. Labour also didw orse than the ToriesAlistair said:Ruth Davidson does badly in Leith Walk by election
https://twitter.com/britainelects/status/1116482671247597570?s=19
SNP hold off the Greens after multiple rounds.
Funny that, the 3 Pro EU parties improved their vote and the two pro Brexit parties suffer.
Clearly Brexit is of no relevance in Scotland.
You are aware of the Scottish Greens' position on Indy?
Meanwhile a new poll has support for independence falling below 30% with 50% for No and 30% for Yes and 63% for No 37% Yes excluding Don't Knows.
Just 40% of Scots polled want another independence referendum in the next 5 years
https://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/news/4071150/scottish-independence-support-dropped-snp-survey-polls/0 -
It was a death of hard Brexit narrative, as the poll below shows Indy support fadingAlistair said:.
Major Pro Indy parties get 7.2% points more votes, major Unionist parties get 4.9% points less votes.HYUFD said:
The LDs and Greens both got better swings than the SNP and as the former are Unionists that suggests independence is of reduced relevance in Scotland too. Labour also didw orse than the ToriesAlistair said:Ruth Davidson does badly in Leith Walk by election
https://twitter.com/britainelects/status/1116482671247597570?s=19
SNP hold off the Greens after multiple rounds.
Funny that, the 3 Pro EU parties improved their vote and the two pro Brexit parties suffer.
Clearly Brexit is of no relevance in Scotland.
I'm not seeing a death of Indy narrative here.0 -
Yes, sorry I meant the tweet from Mercer looks a bit foolish now.Charles said:
TBF In the third tweet he admitted his errorisam said:
Not very impressiveSean_F said:
George Eaton is another Johan HariCasino_Royale said:
All too common, sadly.AndyJS said:
It really says something for the political cowardice of the Conservatives that they’ve done nothing to resist public lynchings of this sort over the last 8 years, and indeed given into them. Toby Young was another.
https://twitter.com/alexwickham/status/1115960868276191238?s=21
https://twitter.com/johnnymerceruk/status/1115978669263151104?s=21
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A shame he didn’t ask her why Corbyn voted for the Extradition Act. Or indeed how Diane Abbott voted on it and whether she agrees with Jeremy on it.TOPPING said:Scott_P said:
She was shocking and Humphries’ persistently stating that Assanfe wasn’t charged because in Sweden you need to be present to be charged is why we will miss him (Humphries) so much.0 -
All of Edward III's conquests were indeed as naught, by the time John of Gaunt died.AlastairMeeks said:Richard II has the lines of Shakespeare most quoted by English nationalists:
This royal throne of kings, this scepter'd isle,
This earth of majesty, this seat of Mars,
This other Eden, demi-paradise,
This fortress built by Nature for herself
Against infection and the hand of war,
This happy breed of men, this little world,
This precious stone set in the silver sea,
Which serves it in the office of a wall,
Or as a moat defensive to a house,
Against the envy of less happier lands,
This blessed plot, this earth, this realm, this England,
but they never get as far as the end of John of Gaunt's soliloquy:
This land of such dear souls, this dear dear land,
Dear for her reputation through the world,
Is now leased out, I die pronouncing it,
Like to a tenement or pelting farm:
England, bound in with the triumphant sea
Whose rocky shore beats back the envious siege
Of watery Neptune, is now bound in with shame,
With inky blots and rotten parchment bonds:
That England, that was wont to conquer others,
Hath made a shameful conquest of itself.
Ah, would the scandal vanish with my life,
How happy then were my ensuing death!
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“Hath made a shameful conquest of itself” is very apt for our times.AlastairMeeks said:Richard II has the lines of Shakespeare most quoted by English nationalists:
This royal throne of kings, this scepter'd isle,
This earth of majesty, this seat of Mars,
This other Eden, demi-paradise,
This fortress built by Nature for herself
Against infection and the hand of war,
This happy breed of men, this little world,
This precious stone set in the silver sea,
Which serves it in the office of a wall,
Or as a moat defensive to a house,
Against the envy of less happier lands,
This blessed plot, this earth, this realm, this England,
but they never get as far as the end of John of Gaunt's soliloquy:
This land of such dear souls, this dear dear land,
Dear for her reputation through the world,
Is now leased out, I die pronouncing it,
Like to a tenement or pelting farm:
England, bound in with the triumphant sea
Whose rocky shore beats back the envious siege
Of watery Neptune, is now bound in with shame,
With inky blots and rotten parchment bonds:
That England, that was wont to conquer others,
Hath made a shameful conquest of itself.
Ah, would the scandal vanish with my life,
How happy then were my ensuing death!0 -
Is that another one of Scotland in Unions weirdly worded questions again?HYUFD said:
Not their raison d'etre.Theuniondivvie said:
Lol, it's amazing how accurately one can predict a poster from a post before seeing their name.HYUFD said:
The LDs and Greens both got better swings than the SNP and as the former are Unionists that suggests independence is of reduced relevance in Scotland too. Labour also didw orse than the ToriesAlistair said:Ruth Davidson does badly in Leith Walk by election
https://twitter.com/britainelects/status/1116482671247597570?s=19
SNP hold off the Greens after multiple rounds.
Funny that, the 3 Pro EU parties improved their vote and the two pro Brexit parties suffer.
Clearly Brexit is of no relevance in Scotland.
You are aware of the Scottish Greens' position on Indy?
Meanwhile a new poll has support for independence falling below 30% with 50% for No and 30% for Yes and 63% for No 37% Yes excluding Don't Knows.
Just 40% of Scots polled want another independence referendum in the next 5 years
https://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/news/4071150/scottish-independence-support-dropped-snp-survey-polls/0 -
I thought Bill Bryson's Shakespeare book was very good.geoffw said:
You know about "unser Shakespeare"?Sean_F said:
I doubt if Shakespeare's audience would have thought so.Foxy said:
Because Europe is our family.kle4 said:
Which means we must be part of a political union why?Foxy said:
It is striking how England's greatest bard set so many of his plays in what is now the EU. Denmark, Venice, Verona, Rome, Cyprus, Greece. Its almost as if we have a common European culture going back for thousands of years.Nigelb said:
Yes, he nailed Brexit.TOPPING said:Paging @Casino_Royale
I hope you were listening to R4 this morning where you will have heard some of Shakespeare’s beautiful poetry from Richard II.
Fail to be moved by that and I question your Englishness.
"Of comfort no man speak:
Let's talk of graves, of worms, of epitaphs;
Make dust our paper, and with rainy eyes
Write sorrow on the bosom of the earth....
Tl;dr? No one really knew anything about him at all apart from the vaguest supposed details.0 -
Mr. F, quite.
Been re-reading Ian Mortimer's Time Traveller guides, and in medieval/Renaissance times a 'foreigner' could simply mean someone from another village, and actual foreigners were routinely criticised.
Upper and upper middle class types might've delighted in foreign fashions, in the same way medieval knights had a sort of international brotherhood, but for the average man foreigners were regarded with suspicion.0
