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First - again!0
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MPs are defecting from the party within a party back to the party. Well I never.0
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Still under estimating things I see.0
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Not sure why the Conservatives are bothering to contest these?
One hell of a shellacking is on the way...0 -
The noteworthiness is that membership of the ERG seems stronger to some of its members than being members of the Tories. They no doubt argue, not without some cause, that they represent a very large strand of Tory member opinion, but nevertheless they are definitely more committed to the ERG whip than the Tory whip. Thus it is actually significant that someone might choose to quit the group, especially since the point you make is true, there is a looser group beyond the hardcore, which means he could have stayed in it even though he has decided he wanted the MV to pass - after all, even its Chairman caved and voted for that last time.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Where there are elections, they will stand. You stand in no hoper seats in parliamentaries and locals, but you stand nonetheless.GIN1138 said:Not sure why the Conservatives are bothering to contest these?
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And because there's now a fair chance of their serving their full term.kle4 said:
The noteworthiness is that membership of the ERG seems stronger to some of its members than being members of the Tories. They no doubt argue, not without some cause, that they represent a very large strand of Tory member opinion, but nevertheless they are definitely more committed to the ERG whip than the Tory whip. Thus it is actually significant that someone might choose to quit the group, especially since the point you make is true, there is a looser group beyond the hardcore, which means he could have stayed in it even though he has decided he wanted the MV to pass - after all, even its Chairman caved and voted for that last time.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Where there are elections, they will stand. You stand in no hoper seats in parliamentaries and locals, but you stand nonetheless.GIN1138 said:Not sure why the Conservatives are bothering to contest these?
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Another in a line of reports of 'X gives explanation which might help sell it to their party, but which makes it harder for Y to sell it to theirs'Scott_P said:0 -
It would be ironic if PR should rescue the Tories from MEP wipeout.0
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Poor LibDems. Not even worth a mention.TheScreamingEagles said:0 -
Which party will go under 30% first? I think Con...TheScreamingEagles said:
We'll soon be trawling back through the archives trying to find the lowest polling scores the Tories got in their nadir in the 1990s...0 -
That doesn't really look like an acceptable net positive v net negative poll, more a poll on which one voters may favourTheScreamingEagles said:0 -
Since when has the Govt. been confident of anything when it comes to MPs?Scott_P said:0 -
Confirms Yougov and BMG, both main parties collapsing and minor parties benefitingTheScreamingEagles said:0 -
Change UK could do very well in the Euro elections if the winnable seats on the Labour lists all turn out to be occupied by names on the Momentum slate, as I think they will be.0
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Especially if she does indeed give them a free vote.MarqueeMark said:
Since when has the Govt. been confident of anything when it comes to MPs?Scott_P said:0 -
Change UK, NOT the TIG!TheScreamingEagles said:0 -
Well, they can confidently state 90% of them are useless wankers.MarqueeMark said:
Since when has the Govt. been confident of anything when it comes to MPs?Scott_P said:0 -
Collapsing is a little over the top, minus 2 and minus 3HYUFD said:
Confirms Yougov and BMG, both main parties collapsing and minor parties benefitingTheScreamingEagles said:0 -
I don't want to Change UK, I'm not looking for a New England.Sunil_Prasannan said:
Change UK, NOT the TIG!TheScreamingEagles said:0 -
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Bill Cash is blowing his top in the Commons.
Reduced to quoting Cromwell. Can a Tory sink any lower?0 -
So basically all outcomes no matter the extreme are all roughly as popular? That seems helpful.TheScreamingEagles said:0 -
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Is that not your Maine aspiration?SandyRentool said:
I don't want to Change UK, I'm not looking for a New England.Sunil_Prasannan said:
Change UK, NOT the TIG!TheScreamingEagles said:0 -
9th January 1995 was the nadir when Gallup/Telegraph showed:GIN1138 said:
Which party will go under 30% first? I think Con...TheScreamingEagles said:
We'll soon be trawling back through the archives trying to find the lowest polling scores the Tories got in their nadir in the 1990s...
Con 18.5% Lab 62% Lib-Dem 15% Lab Lead 43.5%
So Con 18% is what we're looking for!
http://ukpollingreport.co.uk/historical-polls/voting-intention-1992-19970 -
I thought they were seeking to be called 'Change UK - The Independent Group'.Sunil_Prasannan said:
Change UK, NOT the TIG!TheScreamingEagles said:
Bad news for them, googling CHange Uk still comes up with the petition site.
Also it is only the lowest in 4 years. Was not a disaster for some.dyedwoolie said:
Collapsing is a little over the top, minus 2 and minus 3HYUFD said:
Confirms Yougov and BMG, both main parties collapsing and minor parties benefitingTheScreamingEagles said:0 -
Am I right in thinking Labour's lowest score under Mr No More Boom and Bust was 22%?GIN1138 said:
9th January 1995 was the nadir when Gallup/Telegraph showed:GIN1138 said:
Which party will go under 30% first? I think Con...TheScreamingEagles said:
We'll soon be trawling back through the archives trying to find the lowest polling scores the Tories got in their nadir in the 1990s...
Con 18.5% Lab 62% Lib-Dem 15% Lab Lead 43.5%
So Con 18% is what we're looking for!
http://ukpollingreport.co.uk/historical-polls/voting-intention-1992-1997
So that's another mark to beat...0 -
I see Alan Sked has founded a new party, Prosper UK. I seem to recall him announcing his intention to do so a little while ago. How many UKIP offshoots is that now?
http://search.electoralcommission.org.uk/English/Registrations/PP79850 -
37% of Labour voters would not trust the Labour Party to manage defence policy - ComRes.0
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TIG/Change Uk claims to be interviewing for its MEP slates this week, and says it has various former MPs and MEPs who have applied. Which is somewhat mysterious. I have no interest in standing for the EP but registered as a TIG supporter the day after their launch. I have seen nothing from them asking for applications to be an election candidate and there is nothing about this whatsoever on their website. Where and how have they got all these applications from?0
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It took over 6 months to get them to sort of accept May's deal as an outcome. Customs Union has a long way to go.HYUFD said:0 -
A lot of polls in 2014/15 gave very low combined shares for the big two.kle4 said:
I thought they were seeking to be called 'Change UK - The Independent Group'.Sunil_Prasannan said:
Change UK, NOT the TIG!TheScreamingEagles said:
Bad news for them, googling CHange Uk still comes up with the petition site.
Also it is only the lowest in 4 years. Was not a disaster for some.dyedwoolie said:
Collapsing is a little over the top, minus 2 and minus 3HYUFD said:
Confirms Yougov and BMG, both main parties collapsing and minor parties benefitingTheScreamingEagles said:
Oddly, a surge in support for UKIP was combined with a surge in support for EU membership, which peaked with a MORI poll giving Remain a 66/22% lead.0 -
Labour went down to 18% with MORI on 31st May 2009 in the midst of the expense's scandal (and this Brexit debacle is starting to looks a LOT like expenses on steroids IMO)ydoethur said:
Am I right in thinking Labour's lowest score under Mr No More Boom and Bust was 22%?GIN1138 said:
9th January 1995 was the nadir when Gallup/Telegraph showed:GIN1138 said:
Which party will go under 30% first? I think Con...TheScreamingEagles said:
We'll soon be trawling back through the archives trying to find the lowest polling scores the Tories got in their nadir in the 1990s...
Con 18.5% Lab 62% Lib-Dem 15% Lab Lead 43.5%
So Con 18% is what we're looking for!
http://ukpollingreport.co.uk/historical-polls/voting-intention-1992-1997
So that's another mark to beat...
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So is anything actually happening in Parliament or is it just May flying round to beg Macron and Merkel for more time?0
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OK, thanks.GIN1138 said:
Labour went down to 18% with MORI on 31st May 2009 in the midst of the expense's scandal (and this Brexit debacle is starting to looks a LOT like expenses on steroids IMO)ydoethur said:
Am I right in thinking Labour's lowest score under Mr No More Boom and Bust was 22%?GIN1138 said:
9th January 1995 was the nadir when Gallup/Telegraph showed:GIN1138 said:
Which party will go under 30% first? I think Con...TheScreamingEagles said:
We'll soon be trawling back through the archives trying to find the lowest polling scores the Tories got in their nadir in the 1990s...
Con 18.5% Lab 62% Lib-Dem 15% Lab Lead 43.5%
So Con 18% is what we're looking for!
http://ukpollingreport.co.uk/historical-polls/voting-intention-1992-1997
So that's another mark to beat...
http://ukpollingreport.co.uk/voting-intention-2005-2010
So for both, 18% or less is the target.0 -
Just seen the Melissa Kite vs Peter Oborne chit chat on C4 News. Dear me, with media outriders as hopeless as the risible Kite working for them, no longer the Brexiteers are fucked.0
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I suppose Bernie might consider them!williamglenn said:VP betting post:
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Not much for Theresa May to concede to Labour on there.....HYUFD said:0 -
Perhaps. I am less certain of that, some seem to regard it as a line not to be crossed.HYUFD said:0 -
MPs are arguing about the Cooper Bill, the Cash wrecking amendment, and the stuff from the Lords. Very ill tempered, more heat than light.RochdalePioneers said:So is anything actually happening in Parliament or is it just May flying round to beg Macron and Merkel for more time?
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I think you know.RochdalePioneers said:So is anything actually happening in Parliament or is it just May flying round to beg Macron and Merkel for more time?
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"Some say..."Sunil_Prasannan said:
Change UK, NOT the TIG!TheScreamingEagles said:0 -
Tories are done for!MarqueeMark said:
Not much for Theresa May to concede to Labour on there.....HYUFD said: 0 -
Deltapoll had 42% of Tories backing Deal plus Customs Union without the 'long delay' added onkle4 said:
Perhaps. I am less certain of that, some seem to regard it as a line not to be crossed.HYUFD said:0 -
The Tiggers have not been unbounced since they Changed.rpjs said:
"Some say..."Sunil_Prasannan said:
Change UK, NOT the TIG!TheScreamingEagles said:0 -
Correction. ERG are done forGIN1138 said:
Tories are done for!MarqueeMark said:
Not much for Theresa May to concede to Labour on there.....HYUFD said:0 -
You're much like Change UK then.SandyRentool said:
I don't want to Change UK, I'm not looking for a New England.Sunil_Prasannan said:
Change UK, NOT the TIG!TheScreamingEagles said:0 -
I’ve just lost a follower and been blocked by an ultra-hard Brexiteer on Twitter for congratulating Dan K for resigning from the ERG to support May’s Deal.
She said, “bottled it”, and then instantly blocked me.
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It’s quite entertaining. Cash and Redwood seem to think the withdrawal agreement is going to be foisted on them. Little do they know...IanB2 said:
MPs are arguing about the Cooper Bill, the Cash wrecking amendment, and the stuff from the Lords. Very ill tempered, more heat than light.RochdalePioneers said:So is anything actually happening in Parliament or is it just May flying round to beg Macron and Merkel for more time?
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Remain looks like a clear winner there to mewilliamglenn said: 0 -
That May has decided that in a choice of no deal or revoke that she will have to revoke, consequences be damned as she will be gone anyway. That enough of the EU27 know this to be the case that they will dit "non" to force the issue.kle4 said:
I think you know.RochdalePioneers said:So is anything actually happening in Parliament or is it just May flying round to beg Macron and Merkel for more time?
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You think it'll only be the ERG getting turfed out?Big_G_NorthWales said:
Correction. ERG are done forGIN1138 said:
Tories are done for!MarqueeMark said:
Not much for Theresa May to concede to Labour on there.....HYUFD said:
Sorry Big G you've all had it. 0 -
@ydoethur FPT: I can't imagine "Meekness and Majesty" being in his repertoire either, meekness not being Mr Francois's strong suit. "Feckless and Tragedy", perhaps.0
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Corbyn may also have a problem with Deal plus Customs Union, not just May
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Neither revoke or no deal are happeningRochdalePioneers said:
That May has decided that in a choice of no deal or revoke that she will have to revoke, consequences be damned as she will be gone anyway. That enough of the EU27 know this to be the case that they will dit "non" to force the issue.kle4 said:
I think you know.RochdalePioneers said:So is anything actually happening in Parliament or is it just May flying round to beg Macron and Merkel for more time?
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No PM, privy to all the briefings that they will have received, would ever decide to crash out without a deal.RochdalePioneers said:
That May has decided that in a choice of no deal or revoke that she will have to revoke, consequences be damned as she will be gone anyway. That enough of the EU27 know this to be the case that they will dit "non" to force the issue.kle4 said:
I think you know.RochdalePioneers said:So is anything actually happening in Parliament or is it just May flying round to beg Macron and Merkel for more time?
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There will certainly be no Rumours of Angels where he's concerned, although there are ample thorns in the straw.El_Capitano said:@ydoethur FPT: I can't imagine "Meekness and Majesty" being in his repertoire either, meekness not being Mr Francois's strong suit. "Feckless and Tragedy", perhaps.
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As long as ERG are slain I am not concerned about the futureGIN1138 said:
You think it'll only be the ERG getting turfed out?Big_G_NorthWales said:
Correction. ERG are done forGIN1138 said:
Tories are done for!MarqueeMark said:
Not much for Theresa May to concede to Labour on there.....HYUFD said:
Sorry Big G you've all had it.0 -
May and the Tories will primarily get the blame though as she's the one who said over 100 times we'd leave the EU on 29th March. She's the one that said No Deal Is Better Than A Bad Deal (and that slogan has really struck home with leavers in the same way Take Back Control did)HYUFD said:Corbyn may also have a problem with Deal plus Customs Union, not just May
https://twitter.com/Andrew_ComRes/status/1115347591905120256?s=20
May is the one that made the Tories the Brexit Party in the 2017 election and made a point of saying we'd be out of SM and CU.
And that's before we get on to all the abuse the Tories and their media allies have been directing at Corbyn and are now trying to get him to save their bacon.
Just as the expenses scandal affected both parties but hit Labour disproportionately as the party of government so failure to deliver Brexit will obviously hit the Tories disproportionately...0 -
Your becoming as extreme as JRM!Big_G_NorthWales said:
As long as ERG are slain I am not concerned about the futureGIN1138 said:
You think it'll only be the ERG getting turfed out?Big_G_NorthWales said:
Correction. ERG are done forGIN1138 said:
Tories are done for!MarqueeMark said:
Not much for Theresa May to concede to Labour on there.....HYUFD said:
Sorry Big G you've all had it. 0 -
The Deltapoll was a blatant outlier though...HYUFD said:
Deltapoll had 42% of Tories backing Deal plus Customs Union without the 'long delay' added onkle4 said:
Perhaps. I am less certain of that, some seem to regard it as a line not to be crossed.HYUFD said:0 -
Not really, it had No Deal ahead amongst Tories just like Comresbrokenwheel said:
The Deltapoll was a blatant outlier though...HYUFD said:
Deltapoll had 42% of Tories backing Deal plus Customs Union without the 'long delay' added onkle4 said:
Perhaps. I am less certain of that, some seem to regard it as a line not to be crossed.HYUFD said:0 -
The more you look at it, the less sense it makes for Labour to get involved in any of this. The Tories are collapsing Brexit all by themselves. And will take most of the blame.GIN1138 said:
May and the Tories will primarily get the blame though as she's the one who said over 100 times we'd leave the EU on 29th March. She's that said No Deal Is Better Than A Bad Deal (and that slogan has really stuck with leavers in the same way Take Back Control did,.HYUFD said:Corbyn may also have a problem with Deal plus Customs Union, not just May
https://twitter.com/Andrew_ComRes/status/1115347591905120256?s=20
May is the one that made the Tories the Brexit Party in the 2012 election and made a point of saying we'd be out of SM and CU.
And that's before we get on to all the abuse the Tories and their media allies have been directing at Corbyn and are now trying to get him to save their bacon.
Just as the expenses scandal affected both parties but hit Labour disproportionately as the party of government so failure to deliver Brexit will obviously hit the Tories disproportionately...0 -
Correct. Absolutely the right judgement.IanB2 said:
No PM, privy to all the briefings that they will have received, would ever decide to crash out without a deal.RochdalePioneers said:
That May has decided that in a choice of no deal or revoke that she will have to revoke, consequences be damned as she will be gone anyway. That enough of the EU27 know this to be the case that they will dit "non" to force the issue.kle4 said:
I think you know.RochdalePioneers said:So is anything actually happening in Parliament or is it just May flying round to beg Macron and Merkel for more time?
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I prefer May's Deal to Deal plus Customs Union as do most Tories but the latter is still better than revoke or EUref2 which the Commons would vote for over No Deal plus you can still do Deals on services with a CU even if not on goodsMarqueeMark said:0 -
There is nothing extreme in wanting ERG slain.GIN1138 said:
Your becoming as extreme as JRM!Big_G_NorthWales said:
As long as ERG are slain I am not concerned about the futureGIN1138 said:
You think it'll only be the ERG getting turfed out?Big_G_NorthWales said:
Correction. ERG are done forGIN1138 said:
Tories are done for!MarqueeMark said:
Not much for Theresa May to concede to Labour on there.....HYUFD said:
Sorry Big G you've all had it.0 -
Not what the latest polls show, all conducted after May's further extension announcement, 2 have the Tories ahead by 1 point, the other Labour and the Tories tied.GIN1138 said:
May and the Tories will primarily get the blame though as she's the one who said over 100 times we'd leave the EU on 29th March. She's the one that said No Deal Is Better Than A Bad Deal (and that slogan has really struck home with leavers in the same way Take Back Control did)HYUFD said:Corbyn may also have a problem with Deal plus Customs Union, not just May
https://twitter.com/Andrew_ComRes/status/1115347591905120256?s=20
May is the one that made the Tories the Brexit Party in the 2017 election and made a point of saying we'd be out of SM and CU.
And that's before we get on to all the abuse the Tories and their media allies have been directing at Corbyn and are now trying to get him to save their bacon.
Just as the expenses scandal affected both parties but hit Labour disproportionately as the party of government so failure to deliver Brexit will obviously hit the Tories disproportionately...
It is minor parties benefiting not Labour as No Deal Leavers go to UKIP and the Brexit Party and pro Revoke or EUref2 Remainers go to the LDs or CUK0 -
Perhaps fortunately I don't know that one!ydoethur said:
There will certainly be no Rumours of Angels where he's concerned, although there are ample thorns in the straw.El_Capitano said:@ydoethur FPT: I can't imagine "Meekness and Majesty" being in his repertoire either, meekness not being Mr Francois's strong suit. "Feckless and Tragedy", perhaps.
(Our church's Graham Kendrick repertoire is pretty much frozen in time at the point when I became organist and refused to add any more. I will occasionally indulge the happy-clappies with a Stuart Townend or something, which is marginally more palatable...)0 -
Failure to deliver Brexit will hurt the Tories? I'm a Tory, and I can tell you that if TM Revoked tomorrow and promised that we would never ever _ever_ hear the ******* word Brexit again, we'd be at 40%+ with the relief of a grateful nation.GIN1138 said:
May and the Tories will primarily get the blame though as she's the one who said over 100 times we'd leave the EU on 29th March. She's the one that said No Deal Is Better Than A Bad Deal (and that slogan has really struck home with leavers in the same way Take Back Control did)HYUFD said:Corbyn may also have a problem with Deal plus Customs Union, not just May
https://twitter.com/Andrew_ComRes/status/1115347591905120256?s=20
May is the one that made the Tories the Brexit Party in the 2017 election and made a point of saying we'd be out of SM and CU.
And that's before we get on to all the abuse the Tories and their media allies have been directing at Corbyn and are now trying to get him to save their bacon.
Just as the expenses scandal affected both parties but hit Labour disproportionately as the party of government so failure to deliver Brexit will obviously hit the Tories disproportionately...0 -
But, the vote is being split between minor parties, rather than any one minor party benefitting. Which means that the big two will sail on serenely in any election decided by FPTP.HYUFD said:
Not what the latest polls show, all conducted after May's further extension announcement, 2 have the Tories ahead by 1 point, the other Labour and the Tories tied.GIN1138 said:
May and the Tories will primarily get the blame though as she's the one who said over 100 times we'd leave the EU on 29th March. She's the one that said No Deal Is Better Than A Bad Deal (and that slogan has really struck home with leavers in the same way Take Back Control did)HYUFD said:Corbyn may also have a problem with Deal plus Customs Union, not just May
https://twitter.com/Andrew_ComRes/status/1115347591905120256?s=20
May is the one that made the Tories the Brexit Party in the 2017 election and made a point of saying we'd be out of SM and CU.
And that's before we get on to all the abuse the Tories and their media allies have been directing at Corbyn and are now trying to get him to save their bacon.
Just as the expenses scandal affected both parties but hit Labour disproportionately as the party of government so failure to deliver Brexit will obviously hit the Tories disproportionately...
It is minor parties benefiting not Labour as No Deal Leavers go to UKIP and the Brexit Party and pro Revoke or EUref2 Remainers go to the LDs or CUK0 -
Sir, you are an immoderate anti-extremist.Big_G_NorthWales said:
There is nothing extreme in wanting ERG slain.GIN1138 said:
Your becoming as extreme as JRM!Big_G_NorthWales said:
As long as ERG are slain I am not concerned about the futureGIN1138 said:
You think it'll only be the ERG getting turfed out?Big_G_NorthWales said:
Correction. ERG are done forGIN1138 said:
Tories are done for!MarqueeMark said:
Not much for Theresa May to concede to Labour on there.....HYUFD said:
Sorry Big G you've all had it.0 -
Almost everyone kicking up a fuss about Cooper/Letwin in the Commons is someone who has repeatedly voted down the Brexit agreement.0
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There was what was probably a voodoo poll on aol today which had the Brexit party on 52% with the Tories at something like 13% and Labour on 9%.
People are really pissed off.0 -
If the Commons votes to revoke Art 50 on Thursday or Friday it is not impossible the Brexit Party could do an SNP 2015 at the next GE and Farage could become PM under FPTP. Remember about 2/3 of constituencies voted Leave in 2016DavidL said:There was what was probably a voodoo poll on aol today which had the Brexit party on 52% with the Tories at something like 13% and Labour on 9%.
People are really pissed off.0 -
Commons now voting on the Lords Amendments. First one carried, no opposition. Amendments 2&3 together go to division.0
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When is the Cooper vote?0
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For the moment, if we ended up with Revoke and no Brexit at all (never mind soft Brexit or even EUref2) we could see Leavers surge to Farage`s new Brexit PartySean_F said:
But, the vote is being split between minor parties, rather than any one minor party benefitting. Which means that the big two will sail on serenely in any election decided by FPTP.HYUFD said:
Not what the latest polls show, all conducted after May's further extension announcement, 2 have the Tories ahead by 1 point, the other Labour and the Tories tied.GIN1138 said:
May and the Tories will primarily get the blame though as she's the one who said over 100 times we'd leave the EU on 29th March. She's the one that said No Deal Is Better Than A Bad Deal (and that slogan has really struck home with leavers in the same way Take Back Control did)HYUFD said:Corbyn may also have a problem with Deal plus Customs Union, not just May
https://twitter.com/Andrew_ComRes/status/1115347591905120256?s=20
May is the one that made the Tories the Brexit Party in the 2017 election and made a point of saying we'd be out of SM and CU.
And that's before we get on to all the abuse the Tories and their media allies have been directing at Corbyn and are now trying to get him to save their bacon.
Just as the expenses scandal affected both parties but hit Labour disproportionately as the party of government so failure to deliver Brexit will obviously hit the Tories disproportionately...
It is minor parties benefiting not Labour as No Deal Leavers go to UKIP and the Brexit Party and pro Revoke or EUref2 Remainers go to the LDs or CUK
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Then why didn't the Conservative landslide materialize? Translating the Leave vote to FPTP should have 2017 unlosable. But it wasn't.HYUFD said:
If the Commons votes to revoke Art 50 on Thursday or Friday it is not impossible the Brexit Party could do an SNP 2015 at the next GE and Farage could become PM under FPTP. Remember about 2/3 of constituencies voted Leave in 2016DavidL said:There was what was probably a voodoo poll on aol today which had the Brexit party on 52% with the Tories at something like 13% and Labour on 9%.
People are really pissed off.0 -
You could be right. I don’t think that remainers or our remainer dominated media are close to understanding how angry people are getting about this. Do what you were f******* told.HYUFD said:
If the Commons votes to revoke Art 50 on Thursday or Friday it is not impossible the Brexit Party could do an SNP 2015 at the next GE and Farage could become PM under FPTP. Remember about 2/3 of constituencies voted Leave in 2016DavidL said:There was what was probably a voodoo poll on aol today which had the Brexit party on 52% with the Tories at something like 13% and Labour on 9%.
People are really pissed off.0 -
Remainers possibly - I'm sure the losers would love to become the winners.blueblue said:
Failure to deliver Brexit will hurt the Tories? I'm a Tory, and I can tell you that if TM Revoked tomorrow and promised that we would never ever _ever_ hear the ******* word Brexit again, we'd be at 40%+ with the relief of a grateful nation.GIN1138 said:
May and the Tories will primarily get the blame though as she's the one who said over 100 times we'd leave the EU on 29th March. She's the one that said No Deal Is Better Than A Bad Deal (and that slogan has really struck home with leavers in the same way Take Back Control did)HYUFD said:Corbyn may also have a problem with Deal plus Customs Union, not just May
https://twitter.com/Andrew_ComRes/status/1115347591905120256?s=20
May is the one that made the Tories the Brexit Party in the 2017 election and made a point of saying we'd be out of SM and CU.
And that's before we get on to all the abuse the Tories and their media allies have been directing at Corbyn and are now trying to get him to save their bacon.
Just as the expenses scandal affected both parties but hit Labour disproportionately as the party of government so failure to deliver Brexit will obviously hit the Tories disproportionately...
Leavers would be less impressed at being winners becoming losers...0 -
John Redwood on the possibility we might not exit with No Deal after all: "business now, in many cases, feels very let down that they are not being able to use all their contingencies, which they have spent good money on."
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That would be amusing.HYUFD said:
If the Commons votes to revoke Art 50 on Thursday or Friday it is not impossible the Brexit Party could do an SNP 2015 at the next GE and Farage could become PM under FPTP. Remember about 2/3 of constituencies voted Leave in 2016DavidL said:There was what was probably a voodoo poll on aol today which had the Brexit party on 52% with the Tories at something like 13% and Labour on 9%.
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Scott_P said:
Yet the Tories still lead 2/3 of the latest polls and are tied in the other0
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