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System · February 2019

politicalbetting.com » Blog Archive » Beto O’Rourke says he can’t decide whether to run for the Presidency or become a teacher

Beto O’Rourke, the former congressman from El Paso in Texas, has not really been heard from since pushing Ted Cruz very close in the Senate race last November in a race that received huge amount of media attention.

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Jonathan · February 2019

Good to want to do something useful with your life.

NickPalmer · February 2019

Beto doesn't sound very promising - it's not as though nobody else was interested!

Some O/T things from the Labour corner which may interest people:

https://labourlist.org/2019/01/the-sdlp-fianna-fail-merger-and-how-it-could-affect-the-labour-party/

https://labourlist.org/2019/01/membership-numbers-election-prep-and-selections-alice-perrys-nec-report/

Beverley_C · February 2019

If he is drifting then I would suggest he avoids politics. TBH he should probably avoid teaching too. He does not sound as if either is a passion...

Big_G_NorthWales · February 2019

EU announce visa free travel for UK in the event of no deal

SandyRentool · February 2019

NickPalmer said:
Beto doesn't sound very promising - it's not as though nobody else was interested!

Some O/T things from the Labour corner which may interest people:

https://labourlist.org/2019/01/the-sdlp-fianna-fail-merger-and-how-it-could-affect-the-labour-party/

https://labourlist.org/2019/01/membership-numbers-election-prep-and-selections-alice-perrys-nec-report/

"Labour membership continues to be over 500,000. Membership has been stable for several years."

So all this talk of membership plummeting is Fake News. Well there's a surprise.

TGOHF · February 2019

Big_G_NorthWales said:
EU announce visa free travel for UK in the event of no deal

Holiday bookings for the med must be in crisis.

Tissue_Price · February 2019

NickPalmer said:
Beto doesn't sound very promising - it's not as though nobody else was interested!

Some O/T things from the Labour corner which may interest people:

https://labourlist.org/2019/01/the-sdlp-fianna-fail-merger-and-how-it-could-affect-the-labour-party/

https://labourlist.org/2019/01/membership-numbers-election-prep-and-selections-alice-perrys-nec-report/

And one more:

https://order-order.com/2019/02/01/chukas-local-party-seized-corbynites-mass-meeting/

TheScreamingEagles · February 2019

SandyRentool said:

NickPalmer said:
Beto doesn't sound very promising - it's not as though nobody else was interested!

Some O/T things from the Labour corner which may interest people:

https://labourlist.org/2019/01/the-sdlp-fianna-fail-merger-and-how-it-could-affect-the-labour-party/

https://labourlist.org/2019/01/membership-numbers-election-prep-and-selections-alice-perrys-nec-report/
"Labour membership continues to be over 500,000. Membership has been stable for several years."

So all this talk of membership plummeting is Fake News. Well there's a surprise.

It’s hard to escape the conclusion that an individual could be counted in Labour’s tally of total members, even if they had not paid a penny in membership fees for up to 18 months.

https://www.channel4.com/news/factcheck/factcheck-are-labour-inflating-their-membership-figures

TheScreamingEagles · February 2019

Damn it Beto, I tipped you at silly odds, think of my betting portfolio.

Big_G_NorthWales · February 2019

Lord Kerr, author of A50, sounding very bitter on Sky

David_Evershed · February 2019

The well worn phrase

"If you can't, teach."

rottenborough · February 2019

Tissue_Price said:

NickPalmer said:
Beto doesn't sound very promising - it's not as though nobody else was interested!

Some O/T things from the Labour corner which may interest people:

https://labourlist.org/2019/01/the-sdlp-fianna-fail-merger-and-how-it-could-affect-the-labour-party/

https://labourlist.org/2019/01/membership-numbers-election-prep-and-selections-alice-perrys-nec-report/
And one more:

https://order-order.com/2019/02/01/chukas-local-party-seized-corbynites-mass-meeting/

https://twitter.com/DPJHodges/status/1091251437898788864

Big_G_NorthWales · February 2019

The bitterness continues with the EU calling Gibraltar a British colony resulting in an angry rebuttal from the UK

This is getting very nasty and indictitive that the EU are realising that if a no deal happens it will be a complete failure by all parties, while ordinary workers across the UK and the EU are sacrificed on the altar of political obsession

TheScreamingEagles · February 2019

Totally agree with this piece.

Politicians have lost the plot. But lawyers still grasp Brexit realities.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/feb/01/politicians-lawyers-brexit-crisis-politics-westminster

SandyRentool · February 2019

rottenborough said:

Tissue_Price said:

NickPalmer said:
Beto doesn't sound very promising - it's not as though nobody else was interested!

Some O/T things from the Labour corner which may interest people:

https://labourlist.org/2019/01/the-sdlp-fianna-fail-merger-and-how-it-could-affect-the-labour-party/

https://labourlist.org/2019/01/membership-numbers-election-prep-and-selections-alice-perrys-nec-report/
And one more:

https://order-order.com/2019/02/01/chukas-local-party-seized-corbynites-mass-meeting/
https://twitter.com/DPJHodges/status/1091251437898788864

Presumably at some point they will demand the deselection of Jezza when he votes for Brexit.

edmundintokyo · February 2019

Big_G_NorthWales said:
The bitterness continues with the EU calling Gibraltar a British colony resulting in an angry rebuttal from the UK

What do the British say it is???

OblitusSumMe · February 2019

David_Evershed said:
The well worn phrase

"If you can't, teach."

Is complete cobblers. My mother was a teacher and very good at it too. And I have strong positive memories of one of my A-level Maths teachers who had previously done some of the mathematical modelling for the Harrier Jump Jet.

rottenborough · February 2019

SandyRentool said:

rottenborough said:

Tissue_Price said:

NickPalmer said:
Beto doesn't sound very promising - it's not as though nobody else was interested!

Some O/T things from the Labour corner which may interest people:

https://labourlist.org/2019/01/the-sdlp-fianna-fail-merger-and-how-it-could-affect-the-labour-party/

https://labourlist.org/2019/01/membership-numbers-election-prep-and-selections-alice-perrys-nec-report/
And one more:

https://order-order.com/2019/02/01/chukas-local-party-seized-corbynites-mass-meeting/
https://twitter.com/DPJHodges/status/1091251437898788864
Presumably at some point they will demand the deselection of Jezza when he votes for Brexit.

Yes, that is going to be somewhat tricky for the cultist remainers.

I'm sure they'll come up with something.

TheScreamingEagles · February 2019

edmundintokyo said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:
The bitterness continues with the EU calling Gibraltar a British colony resulting in an angry rebuttal from the UK
What do the British say it is???

We say it is a BOT.

British Overseas Territory.

Prior to 1983 we called it a British Crown Colony.

Theuniondivvie · February 2019

Is this the new Kippery SDP?

https://twitter.com/britainelects/status/1091275377308303360

SandyRentool · February 2019

rottenborough said:

SandyRentool said:

rottenborough said:

Tissue_Price said:

NickPalmer said:
Beto doesn't sound very promising - it's not as though nobody else was interested!

Some O/T things from the Labour corner which may interest people:

https://labourlist.org/2019/01/the-sdlp-fianna-fail-merger-and-how-it-could-affect-the-labour-party/

https://labourlist.org/2019/01/membership-numbers-election-prep-and-selections-alice-perrys-nec-report/
And one more:

https://order-order.com/2019/02/01/chukas-local-party-seized-corbynites-mass-meeting/
https://twitter.com/DPJHodges/status/1091251437898788864
Presumably at some point they will demand the deselection of Jezza when he votes for Brexit.
Yes, that is going to be somewhat tricky for the cultist remainers.

I'm sure they'll come up with something.

And of course Chuka is just about the biggest swivel-eyed Remainer in the PLP.

Momentum's collective head will explode some time soon.

TheScreamingEagles · February 2019

SandyRentool said:

rottenborough said:

Tissue_Price said:

NickPalmer said:
Beto doesn't sound very promising - it's not as though nobody else was interested!

Some O/T things from the Labour corner which may interest people:

https://labourlist.org/2019/01/the-sdlp-fianna-fail-merger-and-how-it-could-affect-the-labour-party/

https://labourlist.org/2019/01/membership-numbers-election-prep-and-selections-alice-perrys-nec-report/
And one more:

https://order-order.com/2019/02/01/chukas-local-party-seized-corbynites-mass-meeting/
https://twitter.com/DPJHodges/status/1091251437898788864
Presumably at some point they will demand the deselection of Jezza when he votes for Brexit.

Like the Bishop of Rome, Corbyn is infallible in the eyes of his followers.

williamglenn · February 2019

TheScreamingEagles said:

edmundintokyo said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:
The bitterness continues with the EU calling Gibraltar a British colony resulting in an angry rebuttal from the UK
What do the British say it is???
We say it is a BOT.

British Overseas Territory.

Prior to 1983 we called it British Crown Colony.

https://www.ft.com/content/ab72fb3a-2578-11e9-b329-c7e6ceb5ffdf

The 300-year Anglo-Spanish dispute over Gibraltar is again threatening to disrupt the Brexit process, as the EU prepares to brand the Rock as “a colony of the British Crown” in its legislation to cope with a no-deal exit.

Morris_Dancer · February 2019

Mr. Eagles, be fair, you've had some rather good tips lately (the Javid one springs to mind).

Theuniondivvie · February 2019

Big_G_NorthWales said:
The bitterness continues with the EU calling Gibraltar a British colony resulting in an angry rebuttal from the UK

This is getting very nasty and indictitive that the EU are realising that if a no deal happens it will be a complete failure by all parties, while ordinary workers across the UK and the EU are sacrificed on the altar of political obsession

There was a time when Britain was happy, nay proud, to refer to its colonies. It's political correctness gone mad I tell ye.

SandyRentool · February 2019

TheScreamingEagles said:

edmundintokyo said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:
The bitterness continues with the EU calling Gibraltar a British colony resulting in an angry rebuttal from the UK
What do the British say it is???
We say it is a BOT.

British Overseas Territory.

Prior to 1983 we called it a British Crown Colony.

"British-occupied Spain"

OblitusSumMe · February 2019

rottenborough said:

SandyRentool said:

rottenborough said:

Tissue_Price said:

NickPalmer said:
Beto doesn't sound very promising - it's not as though nobody else was interested!

Some O/T things from the Labour corner which may interest people:

https://labourlist.org/2019/01/the-sdlp-fianna-fail-merger-and-how-it-could-affect-the-labour-party/

https://labourlist.org/2019/01/membership-numbers-election-prep-and-selections-alice-perrys-nec-report/
And one more:

https://order-order.com/2019/02/01/chukas-local-party-seized-corbynites-mass-meeting/
https://twitter.com/DPJHodges/status/1091251437898788864
Presumably at some point they will demand the deselection of Jezza when he votes for Brexit.
Yes, that is going to be somewhat tricky for the cultist remainers.

I'm sure they'll come up with something.

It will be to blame a Rasputin-esque figure either within Corbyn's inner circle, or the shadow Cabinet. Starmer, perhaps. Possibly combined with shifting support to a purer, more principled Corbynite than Corbyn - isn't Williamson auditioning for that role?

That or they will all have been Brexit supporters all along.

Sunil_Prasannan · February 2019

If Gib is outside the CU and there is already a hard border with Spain, why did the Gibraltarians get to vote in EURef?

OllyT · February 2019

TGOHF said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:
EU announce visa free travel for UK in the event of no deal
Holiday bookings for the med must be in crisis.

It'll take more than a no deal Brexit for Brits to give up the med for a couple of weeks in Clacton. The EU is wisely ensuring it minimises the impact of our folly on their members.

Sunil_Prasannan · February 2019

Theuniondivvie said:
Is this the new Kippery SDP?

https://twitter.com/britainelects/status/1091275377308303360

Independent GAIN from Independent?

The Guardian didn't even get a look-in!

(I thank you!)

Beverley_C · February 2019

Big_G_NorthWales said:
The bitterness continues with the EU calling Gibraltar a British colony resulting in an angry rebuttal from the UK

This is getting very nasty and indictitive that the EU are realising that if a no deal happens it will be a complete failure by all parties, while ordinary workers across the UK and the EU are sacrificed on the altar of political obsession

That is a bit rich coming from a card-carrying Conservative....

I know you are not fond of the ERG, but even outside their ranks, your party has more than its fair share of anti-EU-obsessives. Damaging the country is a price worth paying apparently.

The only argument in the EU's favour is that none of them voted for Brexit....

williamglenn · February 2019

It turns out that the term "gammon" isn't racist after all, but refers to followers of Max Gammon.

https://twitter.com/PropertySpot/status/1091038166902018049

TheScreamingEagles · February 2019

SandyRentool said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

edmundintokyo said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:
The bitterness continues with the EU calling Gibraltar a British colony resulting in an angry rebuttal from the UK
What do the British say it is???
We say it is a BOT.

British Overseas Territory.

Prior to 1983 we called it a British Crown Colony.
"British-occupied Spain"

Not only that, we obtained it via war, and Gibraltar only became British thanks to mass immigration.

If we had any sense of honour and shame we'd repudiate the treaty of Utrecht and give Gibraltar back to Spain.

Edit - The treaty of Utrecht also helped expand Britain's role in the slave trade.

SHAMEFUL.

Scott_P · February 2019

https://twitter.com/George_Osborne/status/1091283811302813696

Nigelb · February 2019

Beverley_C said:
If he is drifting then I would suggest he avoids politics....

I think it’s the odds Mike was referring to...

O’Rourke himself just sounds knackered - and clearly unready for what will be a marathon Democratic contest. I expect him to have another tilt at the Senate after a few months’ rest. Can’t blame the guy; running a campaign like that - and losing - takes a bit of getting over.

edmundintokyo · February 2019

williamglenn said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

edmundintokyo said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:
The bitterness continues with the EU calling Gibraltar a British colony resulting in an angry rebuttal from the UK
What do the British say it is???
We say it is a BOT.

British Overseas Territory.

Prior to 1983 we called it British Crown Colony.
https://www.ft.com/content/ab72fb3a-2578-11e9-b329-c7e6ceb5ffdf

The 300-year Anglo-Spanish dispute over Gibraltar is again threatening to disrupt the Brexit process, as the EU prepares to brand the Rock as “a colony of the British Crown” in its legislation to cope with a no-deal exit.

The drafters must have had to put up with Britain's ridiculous colonial euphemisms for years, now they're like "lol, the British are leaving, we can use normal words"

Sunil_Prasannan · February 2019

TheScreamingEagles said:

SandyRentool said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

edmundintokyo said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:
The bitterness continues with the EU calling Gibraltar a British colony resulting in an angry rebuttal from the UK
What do the British say it is???
We say it is a BOT.

British Overseas Territory.

Prior to 1983 we called it a British Crown Colony.
"British-occupied Spain"
Not only that, we obtained it via war, and Gibraltar only became British thanks to mass immigration.

If we had any sense of honour and shame we'd repudiate the treaty of Utrecht and give Gibraltar back to Spain.

What next? Give the Isle of Man back to Norway? Falklands to Argentina?

Morris_Dancer · February 2019

Any thoughts on the Six Nations?

David_Evershed · February 2019

Scott_P said:
https://twitter.com/George_Osborne/status/1091283811302813696

I don't see Boris as a scrum half. More a loose prop.

TheScreamingEagles · February 2019

Morris_Dancer said:
Any thoughts on the Six Nations?

Back Ireland for the Six Nations, lay them for the Grand Slam.

MarqueeMark · February 2019

Big_G_NorthWales said:
The bitterness continues with the EU calling Gibraltar a British colony resulting in an angry rebuttal from the UK

This is getting very nasty and indictitive that the EU are realising that if a no deal happens it will be a complete failure by all parties, while ordinary workers across the UK and the EU are sacrificed on the altar of political obsession

Juncker, Tusk, Barnier - they are all going to be held responsible for a raft of EU countries slipping into recession.

Not that they will get fired or anything.

David_Evershed · February 2019

TheScreamingEagles said:

SandyRentool said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

edmundintokyo said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:
The bitterness continues with the EU calling Gibraltar a British colony resulting in an angry rebuttal from the UK
What do the British say it is???
We say it is a BOT.

British Overseas Territory.

Prior to 1983 we called it a British Crown Colony.
"British-occupied Spain"
Not only that, we obtained it via war, and Gibraltar only became British thanks to mass immigration.

If we had any sense of honour and shame we'd repudiate the treaty of Utrecht and give Gibraltar back to Spain.

Edit - The treaty of Utrecht also helped expand Britain's role in the slave trade.

SHAMEFUL.

So you don't accept self determination?

Opens up claims to territory all over the world.

Richard_Nabavi · February 2019

Presumably, for the sake of the legal consistency of which the EU is so proud, Martinique is now to be referred to as a colony of the French Republic.

Nigelb · February 2019

China has an interesting spin on EV subsidies:
https://www.technologyreview.com/s/612566/why-chinas-electric-car-industry-is-leaving-detroit-japan-and-germany-in-the-dust/
For consumers, the government promised one of the most difficult things to obtain in China’s metropolises: a license plate. To combat pollution, the number of license plates issued each year is strictly limited. Beijing awards them through a lottery, but the chance of getting one in any given year is now 0.2%. Shanghai sells them at an auction with prices of over $14,000, more than the price of many domestically produced cars. Electric-vehicle plates are not only faster to get; they’re free.

TheScreamingEagles · February 2019

David_Evershed said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

SandyRentool said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

edmundintokyo said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:
The bitterness continues with the EU calling Gibraltar a British colony resulting in an angry rebuttal from the UK
What do the British say it is???
We say it is a BOT.

British Overseas Territory.

Prior to 1983 we called it a British Crown Colony.
"British-occupied Spain"
Not only that, we obtained it via war, and Gibraltar only became British thanks to mass immigration.

If we had any sense of honour and shame we'd repudiate the treaty of Utrecht and give Gibraltar back to Spain.

Edit - The treaty of Utrecht also helped expand Britain's role in the slave trade.

SHAMEFUL.

So you don't accept self determination?

Opens up claims to territory all over the world.

If we brought over 60 million French million people and let them vote in the next UK general election then that's not self determination if they all voted for us to join France.

Richard_Nabavi · February 2019

On topic: I've always doubted that Beto would get, or even go for, the nomination. He's just too inexperienced.

Morris_Dancer · February 2019

Mr. Eagles, hmm. Got to be AFK for a little while soon, but when I return I'll give the markets a quick look. My rugby betting, like my tennis betting, is a bit patchy.

....

Unlike my F1 betting, which is rock solid. Ahem. [Had a dodgy few seasons. All went downhill after that epic Verstappen triumph].

TheAncientMariner · February 2019

williamglenn said:
It turns out that the term "gammon" isn't racist after all, but refers to followers of Max Gammon.

https://twitter.com/PropertySpot/status/1091038166902018049

Or you can win a game of backgammon without the opponent bearing off any pieces.

MarqueeMark · February 2019

Sunil_Prasannan said:

Theuniondivvie said:
Is this the new Kippery SDP?

https://twitter.com/britainelects/status/1091275377308303360
Independent GAIN from Independent?

The Guardian didn't even get a look-in!

(I thank you!)

Times, they are a-changing.

David_Evershed · February 2019

Sunil_Prasannan said:
If Gib is outside the CU and there is already a hard border with Spain, why did the Gibraltarians get to vote in EURef?

Because Gibraltar is part of Cornwall. Keep up.

Richard_Nabavi · February 2019

Theuniondivvie said:
Is this the new Kippery SDP?

https://twitter.com/britainelects/status/1091275377308303360

Yes.

MarqueeMark · February 2019

No Deal planning goes on apace. It'll just be a minor inconvenience at this rate.....

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-47086920

Scott_P · February 2019

Morris_Dancer said:
Any thoughts on the Six Nations?

Yes, the first game is tonight, which is a travesty.

Should start on a Saturday, like it did when I were young(er)...

David_Evershed · February 2019

MarqueeMark said:

Sunil_Prasannan said:

Theuniondivvie said:
Is this the new Kippery SDP?

https://twitter.com/britainelects/status/1091275377308303360
Independent GAIN from Independent?

The Guardian didn't even get a look-in!

(I thank you!)
Times, they are a-changing.

Did Morning Star?

TheScreamingEagles · February 2019

MarqueeMark said:
No Deal planning goes on apace. It'll just be a minor inconvenience at this rate.....

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-47086920

Did you miss this bit?

Employment in the sector fell, and the survey warned that export orders were "near-stagnant".

It added that there was a risk of the sector slipping into recession.

MarqueeMark · February 2019

SandyRentool said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

edmundintokyo said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:
The bitterness continues with the EU calling Gibraltar a British colony resulting in an angry rebuttal from the UK
What do the British say it is???
We say it is a BOT.

British Overseas Territory.

Prior to 1983 we called it a British Crown Colony.
"British-occupied Spain"

"French-occupied France"?

MarqueeMark · February 2019

TheScreamingEagles said:

MarqueeMark said:
No Deal planning goes on apace. It'll just be a minor inconvenience at this rate.....

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-47086920
Did you miss this bit?

Employment in the sector fell, and the survey warned that export orders were "near-stagnant".

It added that there was a risk of the sector slipping into recession.

No.

TheScreamingEagles · February 2019

A rainbow alliance?

https://twitter.com/ElectCalculus/status/1091274666344370179

Dura_Ace · February 2019

williamglenn said:
It turns out that the term "gammon" isn't racist after all, but refers to followers of Max Gammon.

https://twitter.com/PropertySpot/status/1091038166902018049

His carer has to operate his elbows from behind. Going for a piss must be quite the spectacle.

Sean_F · February 2019

TheScreamingEagles said:

SandyRentool said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

edmundintokyo said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:
The bitterness continues with the EU calling Gibraltar a British colony resulting in an angry rebuttal from the UK
What do the British say it is???
We say it is a BOT.

British Overseas Territory.

Prior to 1983 we called it a British Crown Colony.
"British-occupied Spain"
Not only that, we obtained it via war, and Gibraltar only became British thanks to mass immigration.

If we had any sense of honour and shame we'd repudiate the treaty of Utrecht and give Gibraltar back to Spain.

Edit - The treaty of Utrecht also helped expand Britain's role in the slave trade.

SHAMEFUL.

Spain became Spain through war, expelling hundreds of thousands of inhabitants in the process.

We are however in breach of the Treaty of Utrecht, by allowing Jews to live in Gibraltar.

Richard_Nabavi · February 2019

Come to think of it, if Gibraltar is a colony, so is Corsica.

Perhaps we should offer to revive the Anglo-Corsican Kingdom.

TheWhiteRabbit · February 2019

TheScreamingEagles said:
A rainbow alliance?

https://twitter.com/ElectCalculus/status/1091274666344370179

LAB-SNP I would have thought... but much easier to imagine on a less Brexity Lab leader.

MarqueeMark · February 2019

TheScreamingEagles said:
A rainbow alliance?

https://twitter.com/ElectCalculus/status/1091274666344370179

UKIP won't poll 5.8%...... Nowhere near.

Sean_F · February 2019

Sunil_Prasannan said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

SandyRentool said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

edmundintokyo said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:
The bitterness continues with the EU calling Gibraltar a British colony resulting in an angry rebuttal from the UK
What do the British say it is???
We say it is a BOT.

British Overseas Territory.

Prior to 1983 we called it a British Crown Colony.
"British-occupied Spain"
Not only that, we obtained it via war, and Gibraltar only became British thanks to mass immigration.

If we had any sense of honour and shame we'd repudiate the treaty of Utrecht and give Gibraltar back to Spain.
What next? Give the Isle of Man back to Norway? Falklands to Argentina?

Ceuta to Morocco?

TheScreamingEagles · February 2019

Sean_F said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

SandyRentool said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

edmundintokyo said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:
The bitterness continues with the EU calling Gibraltar a British colony resulting in an angry rebuttal from the UK
What do the British say it is???
We say it is a BOT.

British Overseas Territory.

Prior to 1983 we called it a British Crown Colony.
"British-occupied Spain"
Not only that, we obtained it via war, and Gibraltar only became British thanks to mass immigration.

If we had any sense of honour and shame we'd repudiate the treaty of Utrecht and give Gibraltar back to Spain.

Edit - The treaty of Utrecht also helped expand Britain's role in the slave trade.

SHAMEFUL.
Spain became Spain through war, expelling hundreds of thousands of inhabitants in the process.

We are however in breach of the Treaty of Utrecht, by allowing Jews to live in Gibraltar.

You'll give some in Labour ideas.

David_Evershed · February 2019

TheScreamingEagles said:

David_Evershed said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

SandyRentool said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

edmundintokyo said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:
The bitterness continues with the EU calling Gibraltar a British colony resulting in an angry rebuttal from the UK
What do the British say it is???
We say it is a BOT.

British Overseas Territory.

Prior to 1983 we called it a British Crown Colony.
"British-occupied Spain"
Not only that, we obtained it via war, and Gibraltar only became British thanks to mass immigration.

If we had any sense of honour and shame we'd repudiate the treaty of Utrecht and give Gibraltar back to Spain.

Edit - The treaty of Utrecht also helped expand Britain's role in the slave trade.

SHAMEFUL.

So you don't accept self determination?

Opens up claims to territory all over the world.

If we brought over 60 million French million people and let them vote in the next UK general election then that's not self determination if they all voted for us to join France.

The Uk is surely full of French Normans and German Anglo Saxons - who voted to Leave the EU.

OldKingCole · February 2019

Just popped up on my Facebook page:
'Dubbed the world's largest free trade agreement, the EU-Japan Economic Partnership Agreement has entered into force today!
The deal removes duties on almost all agricultural and industrial products and opens up the service sector and procurement. For the first time, the text also includes the countries' Paris climate deal commitments.'

Great job, Liam......... er...........

SandyRentool · February 2019

Sunil_Prasannan said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

SandyRentool said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

edmundintokyo said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:
The bitterness continues with the EU calling Gibraltar a British colony resulting in an angry rebuttal from the UK
What do the British say it is???
We say it is a BOT.

British Overseas Territory.

Prior to 1983 we called it a British Crown Colony.
"British-occupied Spain"
Not only that, we obtained it via war, and Gibraltar only became British thanks to mass immigration.

If we had any sense of honour and shame we'd repudiate the treaty of Utrecht and give Gibraltar back to Spain.
What next? Give the Isle of Man back to Norway? Falklands to Argentina?

Kashmir to Pakistan???

OldKingCole · February 2019

MarqueeMark said:

TheScreamingEagles said:
A rainbow alliance?

https://twitter.com/ElectCalculus/status/1091274666344370179
UKIP won't poll 5.8%...... Nowhere near.

Somehow, and I can't see how, in order to really regain attention and credibility (could be the other way round) the LD's have got to overtake the SNP.
Or go into Coalition with someone, and I'm not sure that's any more likely to happen.

TheScreamingEagles · February 2019

I wonder if the government will use the same approach when it comes to Brexit related problems?

Sky News has obtained a "deflection script" which confirms Universal Credit call agents were officially told to refer claimants online instead of addressing their concerns on the phone.

The claims had been dismissed by the Department for Work and Pensions (DWP) as "completely false" after our initial report in October, when a former Universal Credit case manager, Bayard Tarpley, came forward to lift the lid on the controversial practice.

The documents reveal that the "deflection scripts" were introduced in November 2016 to "support staff during telephone calls".

The guidance was designed to cut down on the thousands of claimants contacting call centres by getting callers to log on to access their benefit.

https://news.sky.com/story/deflection-script-used-to-get-universal-credit-claimants-off-the-phone-emerges-11624331

Pulpstar · February 2019

I've not backed him, but I haven't laid him - so my red position on him as a member of the field is by implication correct..

OldKingCole · February 2019

SandyRentool said:

Sunil_Prasannan said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

SandyRentool said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

edmundintokyo said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:
The bitterness continues with the EU calling Gibraltar a British colony resulting in an angry rebuttal from the UK
What do the British say it is???
We say it is a BOT.

British Overseas Territory.

Prior to 1983 we called it a British Crown Colony.
"British-occupied Spain"
Not only that, we obtained it via war, and Gibraltar only became British thanks to mass immigration.

If we had any sense of honour and shame we'd repudiate the treaty of Utrecht and give Gibraltar back to Spain.
What next? Give the Isle of Man back to Norway? Falklands to Argentina?
Kashmir to Pakistan???

Shetlands to Norway, surely.

Big_G_NorthWales · February 2019

OldKingCole said:
Just popped up on my Facebook page:
'Dubbed the world's largest free trade agreement, the EU-Japan Economic Partnership Agreement has entered into force today!
The deal removes duties on almost all agricultural and industrial products and opens up the service sector and procurement. For the first time, the text also includes the countries' Paris climate deal commitments.'

Great job, Liam......... er...........

Actually the Japanese Minister at the EU said that Japan is ready to do a quick trade deal with the UK based on the EU model and expected it could be done within 12 months

OblitusSumMe · February 2019

Gary Younge articulating many of my thoughts on what is so wrong-headed about most Remainer rhetoric.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/feb/01/poorer-brexiters-worse-off-working-class-leavers

SandyRentool · February 2019

OldKingCole said:

SandyRentool said:

Sunil_Prasannan said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

SandyRentool said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

edmundintokyo said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:
The bitterness continues with the EU calling Gibraltar a British colony resulting in an angry rebuttal from the UK
What do the British say it is???
We say it is a BOT.

British Overseas Territory.

Prior to 1983 we called it a British Crown Colony.
"British-occupied Spain"
Not only that, we obtained it via war, and Gibraltar only became British thanks to mass immigration.

If we had any sense of honour and shame we'd repudiate the treaty of Utrecht and give Gibraltar back to Spain.
What next? Give the Isle of Man back to Norway? Falklands to Argentina?
Kashmir to Pakistan???
Shetlands to Norway, surely.

Middlesbrough to Yorkshire.

Cyclefree · February 2019

So completely off the wall - but what about this chap? https://twitter.com/davidaxelrod/status/1088049704955465728

MarqueeMark · February 2019

SandyRentool said:

OldKingCole said:

SandyRentool said:

Sunil_Prasannan said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

SandyRentool said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

edmundintokyo said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:
The bitterness continues with the EU calling Gibraltar a British colony resulting in an angry rebuttal from the UK
What do the British say it is???
We say it is a BOT.

British Overseas Territory.

Prior to 1983 we called it a British Crown Colony.
"British-occupied Spain"
Not only that, we obtained it via war, and Gibraltar only became British thanks to mass immigration.

If we had any sense of honour and shame we'd repudiate the treaty of Utrecht and give Gibraltar back to Spain.
What next? Give the Isle of Man back to Norway? Falklands to Argentina?
Kashmir to Pakistan???
Shetlands to Norway, surely.
Middlesbrough to Yorkshire.

Middlesbrough to Luxembourg.

That would wipe the smirk off Juncker's face....

Morris_Dancer · February 2019

Mr. P, thanks for that helpful comment on the Six Nations

Big_G_NorthWales · February 2019

TheScreamingEagles said:
I wonder if the government will use the same approach when it comes to Brexit related problems?

Sky News has obtained a "deflection script" which confirms Universal Credit call agents were officially told to refer claimants online instead of addressing their concerns on the phone.

The claims had been dismissed by the Department for Work and Pensions (DWP) as "completely false" after our initial report in October, when a former Universal Credit case manager, Bayard Tarpley, came forward to lift the lid on the controversial practice.

The documents reveal that the "deflection scripts" were introduced in November 2016 to "support staff during telephone calls".

The guidance was designed to cut down on the thousands of claimants contacting call centres by getting callers to log on to access their benefit.

https://news.sky.com/story/deflection-script-used-to-get-universal-credit-claimants-off-the-phone-emerges-11624331

The strange thing about that story is the document had no heading, no signatures, no source other than a so called whistleblower. The Department denies it is policy, so where has this document come from, which office and has it been established that it is being used across the DWP or is it fake news

Cyclefree · February 2019

OblitusSumMe said:
Gary Younge articulating many of my thoughts on what is so wrong-headed about most Remainer rhetoric.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/feb/01/poorer-brexiters-worse-off-working-class-leavers

Yes it is. And the last two sentences nail it -

"Our challenge is not to mock, but to tell a better story. One that includes them, has a future for all of us and, ultimately, turns “them” and “us” into “we”."

Our politicians have failed to tell a story for all of us, or even try to do so.

Dura_Ace · February 2019

OldKingCole said:
Just popped up on my Facebook page:
'Dubbed the world's largest free trade agreement, the EU-Japan Economic Partnership Agreement has entered into force today!
The deal removes duties on almost all agricultural and industrial products and opens up the service sector and procurement. For the first time, the text also includes the countries' Paris climate deal commitments.'

Great job, Liam......... er...........

It's ok the UK can take full advantage of it for 57 days. Isn't Brexit brilliant?

felix · February 2019

David_Evershed said:

MarqueeMark said:

Sunil_Prasannan said:

Theuniondivvie said:
Is this the new Kippery SDP?

https://twitter.com/britainelects/status/1091275377308303360
Independent GAIN from Independent?

The Guardian didn't even get a look-in!

(I thank you!)
Times, they are a-changing.
Did Morning Star?

Or the Sun shine?

kinabalu · February 2019

Wants to be a teacher! Virtue well & truly signalled. Clever.

Pulpstar · February 2019

OldKingCole said:

SandyRentool said:

Sunil_Prasannan said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

SandyRentool said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

edmundintokyo said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:
The bitterness continues with the EU calling Gibraltar a British colony resulting in an angry rebuttal from the UK
What do the British say it is???
We say it is a BOT.

British Overseas Territory.

Prior to 1983 we called it a British Crown Colony.
"British-occupied Spain"
Not only that, we obtained it via war, and Gibraltar only became British thanks to mass immigration.

If we had any sense of honour and shame we'd repudiate the treaty of Utrecht and give Gibraltar back to Spain.
What next? Give the Isle of Man back to Norway? Falklands to Argentina?
Kashmir to Pakistan???
Shetlands to Norway, surely.

Strasbourg, Gdansk and Kaliningrad back to Germany.

logical_song · February 2019

Richard_Nabavi said:

Theuniondivvie said:
Is this the new Kippery SDP?

https://twitter.com/britainelects/status/1091275377308303360
Yes.

Did the 'Kippery SDP' really get zero votes, or is that a rounded down 0.0%

Morris_Dancer · February 2019

Had a quick look. The most tempting bets I saw were both Highest Scoring Match options.

4.5 for England Vs Italy
5 for Italy Vs Ireland

Beverley_C · February 2019

OblitusSumMe said:
Gary Younge articulating many of my thoughts on what is so wrong-headed about most Remainer rhetoric.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/feb/01/poorer-brexiters-worse-off-working-class-leavers

He makes good points, but merely confirms my belief that unless we crash out with "No Deal" then the Little-Englander madness will keep eating at the UK like a canker.

Sean_F · February 2019

logical_song said:

Richard_Nabavi said:

Theuniondivvie said:
Is this the new Kippery SDP?

https://twitter.com/britainelects/status/1091275377308303360
Yes.
Did the 'Kippery SDP' really get zero votes, or is that a rounded down 0.0%

Zero votes.

MarqueeMark · February 2019

Sean_F said:

logical_song said:

Richard_Nabavi said:

Theuniondivvie said:
Is this the new Kippery SDP?

https://twitter.com/britainelects/status/1091275377308303360
Yes.
Did the 'Kippery SDP' really get zero votes, or is that a rounded down 0.0%
Zero votes.

Was their candidate Kevin Philips-Bong?

"You polled no votes at all...not a sausage...bugger all...."

Pulpstar · February 2019

Sean_F said:

logical_song said:

Richard_Nabavi said:

Theuniondivvie said:
Is this the new Kippery SDP?

https://twitter.com/britainelects/status/1091275377308303360
Yes.
Did the 'Kippery SDP' really get zero votes, or is that a rounded down 0.0%
Zero votes.

Doesn't he need 10 people from within the ward to sign his nomination paper ?

Big_G_NorthWales · February 2019

Pulpstar said:

Sean_F said:

logical_song said:

Richard_Nabavi said:

Theuniondivvie said:
Is this the new Kippery SDP?

https://twitter.com/britainelects/status/1091275377308303360
Yes.
Did the 'Kippery SDP' really get zero votes, or is that a rounded down 0.0%
Zero votes.
Doesn't he need 10 people from within the ward to sign his nomination paper ?

Doesn't mean they have to vote for him though !!!!!!!

Dura_Ace · February 2019

Cyclefree said:
So completely off the wall - but what about this chap? https://twitter.com/davidaxelrod/status/1088049704955465728

The fucker even looks like Ken Wind.

Big_G_NorthWales · February 2019

I am feeling optimistic this morning and I predict we will sign TM deal, modified or not, and will leave on the 29th March 2019

justin124 · February 2019

TheScreamingEagles said:
A rainbow alliance?

https://twitter.com/ElectCalculus/status/1091274666344370179

Labour likely to be higher at expense of SNP.

Sunil_Prasannan · February 2019

SandyRentool said:

Sunil_Prasannan said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

SandyRentool said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

edmundintokyo said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:
The bitterness continues with the EU calling Gibraltar a British colony resulting in an angry rebuttal from the UK
What do the British say it is???
We say it is a BOT.

British Overseas Territory.

Prior to 1983 we called it a British Crown Colony.
"British-occupied Spain"
Not only that, we obtained it via war, and Gibraltar only became British thanks to mass immigration.

If we had any sense of honour and shame we'd repudiate the treaty of Utrecht and give Gibraltar back to Spain.
What next? Give the Isle of Man back to Norway? Falklands to Argentina?
Kashmir to Pakistan???

Is Kashmir still a British Colony??

Sunil_Prasannan · February 2019

Sean_F said:

logical_song said:

Richard_Nabavi said:

Theuniondivvie said:
Is this the new Kippery SDP?

https://twitter.com/britainelects/status/1091275377308303360
Yes.
Did the 'Kippery SDP' really get zero votes, or is that a rounded down 0.0%
Zero votes.

Le Kippery SDP - Nul Points!

Big_G_NorthWales · February 2019

justin124 said:

TheScreamingEagles said:
A rainbow alliance?

https://twitter.com/ElectCalculus/status/1091274666344370179
Labour likely to be higher at expense of SNP.

Predictable comment Justin but wrong

Scott_P · February 2019

Cyclefree said:
Yes it is. And the last two sentences nail it -

"Our challenge is not to mock, but to tell a better story. One that includes them, has a future for all of us and, ultimately, turns “them” and “us” into “we”."

Our politicians have failed to tell a story for all of us, or even try to do so.

But that's the tragedy of Brexit in reverse.

It turned "we" into "them' and "us"

Putting that genie back in the bottle is not easy

SandyRentool · February 2019

Sunil_Prasannan said:

SandyRentool said:

Sunil_Prasannan said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

SandyRentool said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

edmundintokyo said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:
The bitterness continues with the EU calling Gibraltar a British colony resulting in an angry rebuttal from the UK
What do the British say it is???
We say it is a BOT.

British Overseas Territory.

Prior to 1983 we called it a British Crown Colony.
"British-occupied Spain"
Not only that, we obtained it via war, and Gibraltar only became British thanks to mass immigration.

If we had any sense of honour and shame we'd repudiate the treaty of Utrecht and give Gibraltar back to Spain.
What next? Give the Isle of Man back to Norway? Falklands to Argentina?
Kashmir to Pakistan???
Is Kashmir still a British Colony??

How would you describe it?

Big_G_NorthWales · February 2019

Scott_P said:

Cyclefree said:
Yes it is. And the last two sentences nail it -

"Our challenge is not to mock, but to tell a better story. One that includes them, has a future for all of us and, ultimately, turns “them” and “us” into “we”."

Our politicians have failed to tell a story for all of us, or even try to do so.
But that's the tragedy of Brexit in reverse.

It turned "we" into "them' and "us"

Putting that genie back in the bottle is not easy

You cannot sadly. The only way to go forward is to sign the deal, leave on the 29th March and then those who want to remain commence a campaign to re-join

This impasse cannot go on and no deal is unimaginably stupid

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